Six mass-shootings in two weeks in the US. Here's the solution...

[Steam]

Here's what some people think will be a good solution: allowing hidden guns to be carried in universities by students.
I just don't get Americans. They breathe and eat and speak English, but those appear to be the only things we have in common.



University massacre triggers push for guns on campus
In the wake of last week's Illinois university shooting gun lobbists are calling for laws to allow students to arm themselves.

In what seems a distinctly American response to a distinctly American problem, last week's Illinois university shooting appears only to have spurred a push to allow students to carry guns.

An internet-based lobby, Students for Concealed Carry on Campus, wants lawmakers to overrule university boards that ban guns on campus, so that staff and students could arm themselves against mass killers.

There's something very basic I am missing about Americans. I just don't understand them. Incomprehensible.
Read the whole thing here on Stuff http://www.stuff.co.nz/4407088a12.html

[Indiana_Jones]

It has worked in the past.

A few students have stopped gunman with their own firearms

-Indy

[Street Gerbil]

Not only that, apparently the states with the highest legal gun ownership per capita have lowest rates of violent crimes. The states with enforced gun-free zones have the highest.

[Boob Johnson]

It has worked in the past.

A few students have stopped gunman with their own firearms

-Indy
Hey I have a WILD idea, might be a lil out there & crazy so you may not agree but what about strict gun control PERIOD!!! :bash:


Stupid yanks :shutup:

[Romeo]

How many fist fights do you think there are in highschools every year? Now imagine if every one of them had a gun :]

I love conservatives, they're so retardedly cute.

[scorpious]

It has worked in the past.

A few students have stopped gunman with their own firearms

-Indy

But If the gunman never had a gun to begin with they wouldn't have this problem

[Indiana_Jones]

If someone wants a gun, they'll get one.

All extreme control laws do is stop everyday people owning guns for enjoyment

-Indy

[The Pastor]

yeah arm the students I say. will more people die? I don't think so. If they do, then all the stupid people will get killed first. Leaving only a pure race of super humans. And by superhumans I mean no stupid people.

[civil]

But If the gunman never had a gun to begin with they wouldn't have this problem


You mean like if the speed limit is lowered, then people wont speed?????

[The Lone Rider]

Horray, another idiot spouting an opinion and casting a stone at everyone that might call themselves under one name.

Horray for free speech

[n0regret5]

i think if you can't live without seeing a psychiatrist (about 80% of americans have one, 60% have theirs on SPEED DIAL) or learn how to spell (color, mom, etc) you shouldn't be allowed to carry anything more lethal than a comb. and then you should have a licence for the comb if you want to carry it.

[scorpious]

If someone wants a gun, they'll get one.

All extreme control laws do is stop everyday people owning guns for enjoyment

-Indy

Its bloody hard to get a gun here in NZ without a licence, and you dont get a licence if the cops decide they dont trust you,


You mean like if the speed limit is lowered, then people wont speed?????

no, If nobody had vechicals then ppl wouldn't speed. outlawing the crime doesn't stop the crime, removing the means to comit the crime does.:msn-wink:

[Romeo]

You mean like if the speed limit is lowered, then people wont speed?????

And if we make the speedlimit unlimited, less people will die in high speed car crashes?

[TOTO]

The american empire is goin down. The people are scared and brainwashed, the politicians are stupid beyond recognition, and the few sane people are getting the hell out. i'm not surprised at anuthing that is remotely related to the US any more.

I dont have a solution for them, maybe if they started everything from scratch they may have a future.

I'm just enjoying the show...:corn:

[RantyDave]

If they do, then all the stupid people will get killed first.
Because bullets only hit stupid people? Would a bullet fired in MIT have to catch a bus to a worse part of town to find someone to hit?

Dave

[The Pastor]

Because bullets only hit stupid people? Would a bullet fired in MIT have to catch a bus to a worse part of town to find someone to hit?

Dave
You're onto it sluth.

[Waylander]

Hey I have a WILD idea, might be a lil out there & crazy so you may not agree but what about strict gun control PERIOD!!! :bash:


Stupid yanks :shutup:


But If the gunman never had a gun to begin with they wouldn't have this problem


If someone wants a gun, they'll get one.

All extreme control laws do is stop everyday people owning guns for enjoyment

-Indy
This guy is onto it in answere to the first two quotes.


Its bloody hard to get a gun here in NZ without a licence, and you dont get a licence if the cops decide they dont trust you,

Did you not understand Indy's post? The crims don't need a licence to get and use a gun because they don't give a fuck about breaking the law. Like the lower speed limits and harsher punishments for speeding, it wont stop the people that do it all the time just to show off and generally be dicks. IT will just make life harder for those that do try to do the right thing and only every now and then go a little bit over to pass a slow car.


The american empire is goin down. The people are scared and brainwashed, the politicians are stupid beyond recognition, and the few sane people are getting the hell out. i'm not surprised at anuthing that is remotely related to the US any more.

I dont have a solution for them, maybe if they started everything from scratch they may have a future.

I'm just enjoying the show...:corn:
Like the politicians here are anything to be proud of? Personally mate I'd choose the American government over yours.

[deanohit]

Bring it on!

Let them carry them!

I carry a knife with me all the time as I have a few enemies, and even though the cops know the situation, if something happened to me, the cops would be too late any way.

[deanohit]

Its bloody hard to get a gun here in NZ without a licence, and you dont get a licence if the cops decide they dont trust you,

Gotta disagree there man, I've managed to get a hold of 2 rifles and a sawn off shotgun quite easily which I handed into the cops as I sure as hell didn't want them, more trouble than they're worth if I got caught with them.
Like Waylander said, crims don't give a shit about breaking the law!

[Timber020]

how many people can you name that you would trust to carry and handle a gun in a crowded and confused situation during an emergency. (and you cant choose John McClain) Or could be trusted with a loaded firearm 100% of the time.

Now how many people can you name that you wouldnt want to be around if they carried a gun all the time. People who get drunk, use drugs, loose it in traffic, get upset, depressed or in any way unstable.

More guns dont make people safer, they just make everyone more scared of each other. Not a good way to be.

[Dargor]

I like the idea of everyone having guns as a crime deterrent. But don't all of the guys who go on these rampages commit suicide with their last bullet anyway. So the threat that someone may kill them wouldn't bother them.

[Waylander]

I like the idea of everyone having guns as a crime deterrent. But don't all of the guys who go on these rampages commit suicide with their last bullet anyway. So the threat that someone may kill them wouldn't bother them.
But they'd kill less people before someone took them out.

[MVnut]

Unfortunately it's in the American Constitution that American's have the right to own a gun so banning them is gonna be difficult

[Coyote]

I'm glad I didn't have access to a gun because I'm sure I would have used it.

[Waylander]

I'm glad I didn't have access to a gun because I'm sure I would have used it.
You'd pee your pants and then go hide in a corner crying.

[Coyote]

You'd pee your pants and then go hide in a corner crying.
Pencilling you in now.

[Waylander]

Pencilling you in now.
:girlfight:

[Coyote]

:girlfight:
:wari:
<lololol>

[Gubb]

Unfortunately it's in the American Constitution that American's have the right to own a gun so banning them is gonna be difficult

"Second Amendment:
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

So, bollocks, unless you can tell me that everyone with a gun belongs to a militia force, that is implicitly set up with the purpose of protecting the State, then they don't have the right.

[carver]

Its bloody hard to get a gun here in NZ without a licence, and you dont get a licence if the cops decide they dont trust you,





and how did you come by this information?

its easy as fuck to get one here

handguns are a different story, but money talks.

[MVnut]

"Second Amendment:
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

So, bollocks, unless you can tell me that everyone with a gun belongs to a militia force, that is implicitly set up with the purpose of protecting the State, then they don't have the right.

They deemed 'militia' totally necessary when drafting the Constitution, even tho today the wording is not appropriate. Just makes it very difficult to make such a law change.

[CaMo]

maybe its due to a shit load more people in america - hence a shitload more psycho's and loosers willing to kill others.

NZ has steadily increased in population and so have murders.

Then again many factors contribute :(

Oh and guns are piss easy to get here in NZ

[Steam]

maybe its due to a shit load more people in america - hence a shitload more psycho's and loosers willing to kill others.

NZ has steadily increased in population and so have murders.


No, the USA has six times the gun deaths per population. You gotta look elsewhere for reasons and causes.
Gun-related deaths per 100,000 people:
United States 14.24
New Zealand 2.38

[MD]

Here's what some people think will be a good solution: allowing hidden guns to be carried in universities by students.
I just don't get Americans.

No that should work. So long as the law says only good sane people can carry concealed guns to kill bad insane people, then that should work.
They just need a sign over campus entrance ways saying "If you are a bad person about to kill good people please place your weapons in the amnesty bin" Problem solved.
The root of the problem is obviously that gun saleman don't ask buyers "are you a good person who wont go nuts and kill lots of people. Of course I'm not. Well here's your six semi autos, 4 pistols, 3 shotguns pre-sawn as requested. And I hope these guns help you get rid of those %#@% rats you said have infested your school"

[Skyryder]

They deemed 'militia' totally necessary when drafting the Constitution, even tho today the wording is not appropriate. Just makes it very difficult to make such a law change.

There needs to be a two thirds majoity to change the Constitution. The Electoral Collage elects the President of the United States..........not the people. Democracy............bullshit. If they had a real one this problem would not exist.

skyryder

[Bikernereid]

Let them all have guns and kills themselves one by one!!!

[Okey Dokey]

My understanding of the "right to bear arms" stuff is that the American colonies had just rebelled against the Crown and thrown off what they felt was an unfair gvmt to establish their own new one. Without arms they would not have had much chance of doing this.

By writing this into their constitution I think the plan was that citizens would have the ability to throw out unfair totalitarian gvmt in the future.

[Finn]

Before you go criticising another country's laws, take a look at our own. At least in the US you are allowed to defend yourself properly and crims get "real" sentences.

[Swoop]

No that should work. So long as the law says only good sane people can carry concealed guns to kill bad insane people, then that should work.
Which does, in fact, happen. When a person goes to his/her police station to apply for a Concealed Carry Permit, they are checked out.

The root of the problem is obviously that gun saleman don't ask buyers "are you a good person who wont go nuts and kill lots of people. Of course I'm not. Well here's your six semi autos, 4 pistols, 3 shotguns pre-sawn as requested."
You do know about the "waiting period" to purchase a handgun in the USA?

[Mr Merde]

Hey I have a WILD idea, might be a lil out there & crazy so you may not agree but what about strict gun control PERIOD!!! :bash:


Stupid yanks :shutup:

Strict gun control doesnt work.

Look at the UK where in 1996 the private ownership of handguns for sporting use was totally banned, all in the name of styopping crime. What have we today 12 years on is an armed crime rate that has skyrocketed by something like 500% since the ban.

Criminals and nutters dont pay attention to laws, only the law abiding pay attention and if you are law abiding you probably wont go on a rampage with a gun.

[scorpious]

and how did you come by this information?

its easy as fuck to get one here

handguns are a different story, but money talks.

so you reckon, that some crased syco person would easily be able to waltz in, buy a gun and then go about killling students :2guns: without first attracting some notice?:blink:

[scorpious]

Gotta disagree there man, I've managed to get a hold of 2 rifles and a sawn off shotgun quite easily !

Rifles are a little hard to carry around without anyone noticeing, I was talking about pistols

[Waylander]

Before you go criticising another country's laws, take a look at our own. At least in the US you are allowed to defend yourself properly and crims get "real" sentences.
When I meet you I'm going to shake your hand and buy you a beer.

[Timber020]

Before you go criticising another country's laws, take a look at our own. At least in the US you are allowed to defend yourself properly and crims get "real" sentences.

Yeah thats why its such a peaceful utopia, oh wait, I keep getting the USA mixed up with the smurf village.
It all depends on what state you live in. Look at how many people are sued for defending themselves, leaving things in the house like coffee tables that burglers trip on or being sued for running over a kids hand while they were stealing the cars hubcaps.

I had guns pulled on me 3 times when I lived there. Once by the police, once by a security guard, and once by a 12 year old. We should be able to defend ourselves on our own property, its screwed up that theres such a shitfight when someone does defend themselves.

[puddytat]

"I just don't get Americans. They breathe and eat and speak English, but those appear to be the only things we have in common."


I had noticed that too..:oi-grr:

[geoffm]

Strict gun control doesnt work.

Look at the UK where in 1996 the private ownership of handguns for sporting use was totally banned, all in the name of styopping crime. What have we today 12 years on is an armed crime rate that has skyrocketed by something like 500% since the ban.

Criminals and nutters dont pay attention to laws, only the law abiding pay attention and if you are law abiding you probably wont go on a rampage with a gun.

Within a few years of the UH handgun ban, handgun crime was higher than before the ban. No surprise really, as it wasn't the Olympic shooters takignout neighboring drug dealers on the street corners

[scumdog]

Rifles are a little hard to carry around without anyone noticeing, I was talking about pistols


You should see some of the sawn-off rifles we have picked up...short-as.

[scumdog]

Strict gun control doesnt work.

Look at the UK where in 1996 the private ownership of handguns for sporting use was totally banned, all in the name of styopping crime. What have we today 12 years on is an armed crime rate that has skyrocketed by something like 500% since the ban.

Criminals and nutters dont pay attention to laws, only the law abiding pay attention and if you are law abiding you probably wont go on a rampage with a gun.

Waste of time pointing that out - it doesn't fit the agenda of the rabid anti-gun brigade and politicians.:2guns:

[deanohit]

Rifles are a little hard to carry around without anyone noticeing, I was talking about pistols

You ever seen a cut down semi auto .22? Pretty compact. Baggy clothes would hide it pretty well or a school back pack.

[scumdog]

Notice now cops on school grounds up north?

Kinda ring a bell of US back about 30 years ago??

So as I said, watch NZ in 30 years time for likely massacres too.

[Mr Merde]

Notice now cops on school grounds up north?

Kinda ring a bell of US back about 30 years ago??

So as I said, watch NZ in 30 years time for likely massacres too.

I know what you mean. Its like watching reruns of the Berkley riots etc. Be it in a more modern setting. When are they going to set up the metal detectors at the school gates here then?

I'd love to know how those cops whoi get assigned to the schools actually feel about it