LTSA are Chunt Funters. [Archive]

The Pastor

28th February 2008, 16:14

cowboyz

28th February 2008, 16:19

Mully

28th February 2008, 16:21

Fuck, really??? I thought you could put it on whenever.

I've been lied to. There will be beatings.

The Pastor

28th February 2008, 16:22

The only solution I can come to is to buy rego in 3 month lots, so if u do bin it, they can only steal max 3 months of rego fees.

bert_is_evil

28th February 2008, 16:23

cowboyz

28th February 2008, 16:23

if you dereg it you can get a refund of the remaining rego, but then it is a circus getting it back on the road again. no win/win situation with LTNZ

R6_kid

28th February 2008, 16:24

The only solution I can come to is to buy rego in 3 month lots, so if u do bin it, they can only steal max 3 months of rego fees.

Some people thought of that a long time ago...

James Deuce

28th February 2008, 16:26

crazybigal

28th February 2008, 16:32

not true
what happens is the insurance company de reg the bike, take the plates in to ltsa agent and get the refund!

That sucks. It's the same with insurance - if you pay the full twelve months then write the bike off after 1 you dont get a refund. That's why I pay my insurance monthly and my rego 3 monthly, that way Murphy's law says I won't crash at all.

The Pastor

28th February 2008, 16:36

I was un aware of such dirty dealings of the LTS-UCKMYBALLS-A

cowboyz

28th February 2008, 16:46

well to be fair. if the insurance write it off then they are buying the wreck off you so should get any proceeds from the wreck they can. You can too, if you are not insured. You can "write the bike off" but handing in the plates and rebuilding the bike is a tough way of getting the thing back on the road again.

Devil

28th February 2008, 16:47

That sucks. It's the same with insurance - if you pay the full twelve months then write the bike off after 1 you dont get a refund. That's why I pay my insurance monthly and my rego 3 monthly, that way Murphy's law says I won't crash at all.

Not true with insurance. If you make a claim against your policy (on the assumption it's your fault) they expect the whole premium to be paid, if you pay monthly, they'll just take the whole premium off the payout.

They're just being nice letting you pay it off monthly

bane

28th February 2008, 18:01

Not true with insurance. If you make a claim against your policy (on the assumption it's your fault) they expect the whole premium to be paid, if you pay monthly, they'll just take the whole premium off the payout.

agreed.

Although I seem to remember this being discussed before, with many an opposing view... :doh: :Offtopic: (LTNZ are indeed "chunt funters")

merv

28th February 2008, 18:04

And here was I thinking only I could be that twisted and paranoid in my World View.

Don't worry Jim it will get better as you get older and you come out of that phase.

Renegade

28th February 2008, 18:06

have you tried cancelling the rego without de-reging it, then putting it on hold??

to "restore" it, im sure you can do this, im sure i did it a few years ago

McDuck

28th February 2008, 18:29

I would have thort it would be better to just not bin...

Thunder 8

28th February 2008, 19:10

The Pastor

28th February 2008, 19:15

I would have thort it would be better to just not bin...
I'll bin ur face in a minnute.

Coyote

28th February 2008, 19:23

The only solution I can come to is to buy rego in 3 month lots, so if u do bin it, they can only steal max 3 months of rego fees.
Way ahead of ya. Been doing that since I got my RG. After I wrecked my old CBR and it was off the road for, coincidentally, 8 months, I thought it would be best too. You pay a bit extra over a year, but with my crash record and my VFR's unreliability it's for the best.

How long have you been into bikes and you haven't realised this :bleh:

Mom

28th February 2008, 19:25

They're just being nice letting you pay it off monthly

They are not even that nice about it, they charge you 10% on top of the premium to pay it monthly. You will never win with insurance companies!

I'll bin ur face in a minnute.
Shh, that is not nice, no matter how tempting it feels :yes:

The Pastor

28th February 2008, 19:36

Way ahead of ya. Been doing that since I got my RG. After I wrecked my old CBR and it was off the road for, coincidentally, 8 months, I thought it would be best too. You pay a bit extra over a year, but with my crash record and my VFR's unreliability it's for the best.

How long have you been into bikes and you haven't realised this :bleh:
i havnt binned properly before

twotyred

28th February 2008, 19:38

I would have thort it would be better to just not bin...

wot a novel idea! +1

Ixion

28th February 2008, 19:47

Putting to one side the iniquities of LTSA, are *you* OK?

I hope you are not dead or anything.

Tank

28th February 2008, 19:58

Binned the bike. Its off the road, probably for the rest of the year.

Got 8 months rego left on it.

"hmm lets put rego on hold so Im not wasting the $200 I just spent on rego"

ring up LTSA.

"no sorry you can only put ur bike on rego when it runs out"

So basicly I have paid for 8 months rego and cant use it.

Can anyone tell me why I should pay for rego and then not be allowed to use it when I want?

In my books its stealing.

Stealing - nope!

If fairness you DO have what you paid for - you have the right to ride that bike on the road for the next 12 months. The fact that you binned is your fault - not theirs so why should they give you a refund.

You wouldn't expect a refund if you went on holiday for three months, or if you tripped and had your leg in a cast and couldn't ride (wouldn't wish that on ya BTW).

So its just a matter of sucking it up - getting your bike back on the road and enjoying it.

I hope that you are all 100% and not hurt in your bin.

oscarnz

28th February 2008, 20:04

have you tried cancelling the rego without de-reging it, then putting it on hold??

to "restore" it, im sure you can do this, im sure i did it a few years ago

No you cant, cancelling is the same as de-reg

cowboyz

28th February 2008, 20:08

if they want continuous licencing system then there should be option to put on hold at any time you are not using the vehicle. there are plenty of reasons to put a vehicle on hold. if it is not being used on the road then why pay for it to be on the road?

The Pastor

28th February 2008, 20:09

Stealing - nope!

If fairness you DO have what you paid for - you have the right to ride that bike on the road for the next 12 months. The fact that you binned is your fault - not theirs so why should they give you a refund.

You wouldn't expect a refund if you went on holiday for three months, or if you tripped and had your leg in a cast and couldn't ride (wouldn't wish that on ya BTW).

So its just a matter of sucking it up - getting your bike back on the road and enjoying it.

I hope that you are all 100% and not hurt in your bin.
No you're wrong.

I payed 12 months worth of road tax, entitling me to 12 months of road use with my bike. They should not be allowed to take that away from me.

I understand 3 months min put on hold, thats ok. But it should be able to pause your rego.

Don't even get me started on having to pay rego per car/bike/whatever. You should pay a one off yearly fee......

Tank

28th February 2008, 20:27

No you're wrong.

I payed 12 months worth of road tax, entitling me to 12 months of road use with my bike. They should not be allowed to take that away from me.

Nope - Im right :niceone:

You paid 12 months worth of road tax, entitling you to 12 months of road use with that bike (between 2 dates).

They haven't taken it away from you - if your bike was working you could use it tonight.

You *should* however be able to transfer it to another bike IMHO - vote me for PM and I will make it so.

The Pastor

28th February 2008, 20:35

Nope - Im right :niceone:

You paid 12 months worth of road tax, entitling you to 12 months of road use with that bike (between 2 dates).

They haven't taken it away from you - if your bike was working you could use it tonight.

You *should* however be able to transfer it to another bike IMHO - vote me for PM and I will make it so.
nah you're wrong, you should be able to use it when you want to, not when they tell you to, its you who is paying for it, not them.

Wally Simmonds

28th February 2008, 20:39

Interestingly enough, in relation to insurance, I had my WRX stolen (bought it 3 weeks earlier for 12.5k at an auction) had paid a month's premium and obviously when I was paid out it was minus the remainder of the premium (bout a grand).

Then there was agreed value shenanigans as well. (Paid out 2.5k less than what I had asked it to be insured for).

Yep, still pretty bitter about that. Hopefully Kiwibike are a bit better =/

riffer

28th February 2008, 20:53

Yeah, but did you hurt yourself Scott? :bash:

FJRider

28th February 2008, 21:06

I would have thort it would be better to just not bin...

I AGREE....BUT when you play by nobodys rules, not even your own, You DONT/CANT moan when you are playing the BIG boys game, and find they DO have RULES...IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE RULES... GET OUT OF THE GAME...IGNORANCE OF THE "RULES" DOES NOT MAKE YOU EXEMPT FROM THE PENALTYS ($$$$$$$$$) while playing the game. Same rules apply for ALL of us. You fucked up (binned) YOU pay...simple eh !!!

doc

28th February 2008, 21:15

agreed it is rude.

Should be able to put ti on hold and have remaining rego run out after it gets put back on the road again. On the flipside, if you let the rego run out and its not back on the road and you go in 3 months later you have to backpay it as well. The whole contiuneous licencing thing is a PITA

Also with continuing licencing, if your caught with expired rego you get a fine, but it never ran out. If you are a month late paying for 3 months you only get two months rego plus you have to pay the fine as well.

Let the defenders on the site , give us reasonable comment on this .

McDuck

28th February 2008, 21:15

No you're wrong.

I payed 12 months worth of road tax, entitling me to 12 months of road use with my bike. They should not be allowed to take that away from me.

I understand 3 months min put on hold, thats ok. But it should be able to pause your rego.

Don't even get me started on having to pay rego per car/bike/whatever. You should pay a one off yearly fee......

But it is not road tax, you pay that when you buy gas. The rego is the right to use the bike on the road for the time frame. (and a little ACC)

Not trying to goat at you or anything.

HungusMaximist

28th February 2008, 21:16

Simple, you bin you pay.

There's no way really around it. :msn-wink:

I do agree, LTSA needs a hiding.

FJRider

28th February 2008, 21:25

But it is not road tax, you pay that when you buy gas. The rego is the right to use the bike on the road for the time frame. (and a little ACC)

Call it what you like...Dont pay...NOT allowed (legally) on the road...THEM'S THE RULES !!!.........for EVERYBODY

The Pastor

28th February 2008, 21:31

Yeah, but did you hurt yourself Scott? :bash:
How do you know my name?

FJRider

28th February 2008, 21:42

How do you know my name?

You just told him...LUCKY GUESS ???

AllanB

28th February 2008, 21:50

Sorry to hear of your incident.

What annoys me is owning multiple vehicles each has to be registered - I can only use one at once. I'd prefer a user rego system.

McDuck

28th February 2008, 21:52

Sorry to hear of your incident.

What annoys me is owning multiple vehicles each has to be registered - I can only use one at once. I'd prefer a user rego system.

I would prefer there is an RUC system for ALL fuel types, but we all know that will not happen.

FJRider

28th February 2008, 21:54

Sorry to hear of your incident.

What annoys me is owning multiple vehicles each has to be registered - I can only use one at once. I'd prefer a user rego system.

But when your wife / partner / friend uses your car when you are on the bike... WHO STAYS LEGAL ???

McDuck

28th February 2008, 22:00

But when your wife / partner / friend uses your car when you are on the bike... WHO STAYS LEGAL ???

Well we all have to have a drivers licence...

FJRider

28th February 2008, 22:16

Well we all have to have a drivers licence...

And ALL vehicles have to be REGISTERED/WARANTED

Disco Dan

28th February 2008, 22:19

What is wrong with being a "cunt fucker" ? ..its great fun. Dont be such a baby, man up. :cool:

LTSA are a bunch of arseholes though. :2thumbsup

McDuck

28th February 2008, 22:25

And ALL vehicles have to be REGISTERED/WARANTED

Yes but maby the rego should be a yearly charge as part of a licence?

FJRider

28th February 2008, 22:44

Yes but maby the rego should be a yearly charge as part of a licence?

The term "REVENUE GATHERING" does not apply only to the law ENFORCEMENT department.

slowpoke

28th February 2008, 23:09

Nup, I don't see the problem, you bought a product or priviledge then (for whatever reason) you have declined to use a portion of it.
Do you want to return the unused petrol in the tank for a refund as well?
If you join say a Rugby/Tennis/BDSM (insert pastime of choice) club, then injure yourself so you are unable to play or get to the bar for a drink would you expect part of your subs back?

Squiggles

28th February 2008, 23:48

Trade ya? :lol: Have a gn thats just about gone 6 months over, if not done next week ill be paying up those 6 then putting it on hold :doh:

bert_is_evil

29th February 2008, 08:27

Not true with insurance. If you make a claim against your policy (on the assumption it's your fault) they expect the whole premium to be paid, if you pay monthly, they'll just take the whole premium off the payout.

They're just being nice letting you pay it off monthly

not true
what happens is the insurance company de reg the bike, take the plates in to ltsa agent and get the refund!

Ah the f*ckers! And here I was thinking I was soooo clever

pyrocam

29th February 2008, 16:53

I would prefer there is an RUC system for ALL fuel types, but we all know that will not happen.
I am quite glad this will not happen actually :)

well to be fair. if the insurance write it off then they are buying the wreck off you so should get any proceeds from the wreck they can. You can too, if you are not insured. You can "write the bike off" but handing in the plates and rebuilding the bike is a tough way of getting the thing back on the road again.

ok, all insurance companies are different but I have never heard of this.
I think its a funny way of saying it 'If the insurance company write it off they are buying the wreck off you' and also they definately don't give you and proceeds from the wreck!
when a vehicle is written off, it becomes the ownership of the insurance company to do as they please with and they will give you the sum insured, less any xs and outstanding premiums.

so if your bike is insured for 4k you are in month 3 of a 12 month insurance policy, you write it off (also this is determined by the insurance assessor, not your mate at the bike store) you will get 4k - 9months of premium* and - your excess. the policy will be canceled from this point.

*I believe some insurance companies have been known not to do this. most do, the reasoning is, its a a contract for a year's cover, they are just being nice and allowing you to pay it off in installments (with a 10% charge for the hassle)

AllanB

29th February 2008, 17:59

But when your wife / partner / friend uses your car when you are on the bike... WHO STAYS LEGAL ???

Every licenced driver would be 'road registered' so entitled to drive any vehicle. Vehicles would only need a WOF as the driver would be registered.

There would probably be a single user and multi user charge.

Only thing here is the present vehicle rego does cover plates and who owns it...add to WOF?

FJRider

29th February 2008, 21:56

Every licenced driver would be 'road registered' so entitled to drive any vehicle. Vehicles would only need a WOF as the driver would be registered.

There would probably be a single user and multi user charge.

Only thing here is the present vehicle rego does cover plates and who owns it...add to WOF?

Discuss it with YOUR MP. If he/she green lights it, come back to us

cowboyz

29th February 2008, 22:06

I am quite glad this will not happen actually :)

ok, all insurance companies are different but I have never heard of this.
I think its a funny way of saying it 'If the insurance company write it off they are buying the wreck off you' and also they definately don't give you and proceeds from the wreck!
when a vehicle is written off, it becomes the ownership of the insurance company to do as they please with and they will give you the sum insured, less any xs and outstanding premiums.

so if your bike is insured for 4k you are in month 3 of a 12 month insurance policy, you write it off (also this is determined by the insurance assessor, not your mate at the bike store) you will get 4k - 9months of premium* and - your excess. the policy will be canceled from this point.

*I believe some insurance companies have been known not to do this. most do, the reasoning is, its a a contract for a year's cover, they are just being nice and allowing you to pay it off in installments (with a 10% charge for the hassle)

my quote: if the insurance write it off then they are buying the wreck off you so should get any proceeds from the wreck they can

should have read :

if the insurance write it off then they are buying the wreck off you so THEY should get any proceeds from the wreck they can

We both basically just said the same thing but I no type good.

homer

29th February 2008, 22:14

Stealing - nope!

If fairness you DO have what you paid for - you have the right to ride that bike on the road for the next 12 months. The fact that you binned is your fault - not theirs so why should they give you a refund.

You wouldn't expect a refund if you went on holiday for three months, or if you tripped and had your leg in a cast and couldn't ride (wouldn't wish that on ya BTW).

So its just a matter of sucking it up - getting your bike back on the road and enjoying it.

I hope that you are all 100% and not hurt in your bin.

Um technically if you tripped it may be a fault ,in the foot path or road ,so yeah you can ask for payment

Usarka

29th February 2008, 23:28

If I buy a pint and spill it do i get my money back?

skidMark

1st March 2008, 02:35

You can put it on hold anytime they just wont refund what you havn't used, and when it comes off hold you pay from that date.

If you put it on hold for say 12 months, but get it back on the road before 3 months into the exemption you must pay back to the date from when you put it on hold.

Total BS in my opinion.

But hey, you are dealing with a government department.

Do you really expect any better?, i mean did you expect it for a second?

Seriously.

:innocent:

cowboyz

1st March 2008, 07:20

If I buy a pint and spill it do i get my money back?

of course not. they are not getting their product back. however with rego if you pay for 12, use 5 then you should be able to give the other 7 back undamaged and in tact that they can then onsell to the next person at no loss to them.