Wgtn bike parking paying part 2

[nudemetalz]

Greetings,

Thanks for all of your comments on the previous Poll thread regarding paying for motorcycling parking in Wellington.

The next idea that has come up, is that WCC are looking at acquiring parking spaces in the private carparking buildings and making them especially for motorcycle parking.
This will result in secure, undercover parking with surveillance for added security.
There will be a charge for this service however, but it's looking like they will make it very fair & reasonable.

What's your thoughts on this?

[James Deuce]

AT the risk of being ungrateful (again), I think it's easier to steal motorcycles from a parking building than the side of the road, out in the open.

The carpark operators will also be losing inline, side by side parking to parallel type parks and they will charge like wounded bulls for that, because the carpark buildings for the most part are designed for maximum car density.

The current system is preferable to anything they are going to suggest. Not just because it is free.

How about Rego or Insurance levy based on regions which would cover parks in the major conurbations of those regions? This might even encourage people to use their bikes more often as the parking would still seem free, and amortized over the year x the number of motorcycle regos for an area would give you a better baseline idea of how many motorcycle parks would be needed over time.

You could use Census data to start with... Doh! Stats didn't include motorcycles as serious transport, did they? Morons.

[Wally Simmonds]

Car parking buildings, fair and reasonable? Big fat lol.

If they did, it certainly would only be the first few months before Wilson's or Tournament jack up the prices to something phenomenal.

It's good to see people are thinking about it, but I feel like the driver for this is more about making some coin, with what's been suggested above.

[All]

Car parking buildings, fair and reasonable? Big fat lol.

If they did, it certainly would only be the first few months before Wilson's or Tournament jack up the prices to something phenomenal.

It's good to see people are thinking about it, but I feel like the driver for this is more about making some coin, with what's been suggested above.What ever do you mean? The price for car parking is totally reasonable isn't it? ;)

[Soul.Trader]

How about Rego or Insurance levy based on regions which would cover parks in the major conurbations of those regions? This might even encourage people to use their bikes more often as the parking would still seem free, and amortized over the year x the number of motorcycle regos for an area would give you a better baseline idea of how many motorcycle parks would be needed over time

I dont like the idea of MY rego being used to pay for YOUR parking. I'm a fan of user pays - especially as I park my bike in a private, secure carpark at work. If they're going to charge for parking, it should be as all parking is - user pays.

[James Deuce]

Yours won't be - you live in Tauranga. Any plan to use private parking in a user pays situation will mean that it rapidly becomes cheaper to park in a metred caprpark and pay the fines on a daily basis.

Which bit of "regional levy" didn't go in?

Or how about we make it rate payers, so only people with property can use bike parks?

[Howie]

How about Rego or Insurance levy based on regions which would cover parks in the major conurbations of those regions? This might even encourage people to use their bikes more often as the parking would still seem free, and amortized over the year x the number of motorcycle regos for an area would give you a better baseline idea of how many motorcycle parks would be needed over time.



I don't agree with the ides of adding it to Rego, or insurance for the following reasons.
1. not all Bike riders work in the CBD.
2. Some Bike riders own more than one registed bike.
3. Not all people insure there bikes.

If it comes down to paying for parks, then it should be some kind of user pays system

[Deviant Esq]

With reference to the above: 4. Not everyone takes their bike anywhere (in the CBD) they need to find a park for it. Like the weekend only riders, the cruiser riders etc who don't use their bike for commuting or to pop into town.

Make the cages move into the 'convenient' car parking buildings and free up a few more parks for bikes at the roadside. With instructions on how scooter riders should park their precious Vespa... :pinch:

[limbimtimwim]

Parking buildings are not secure. "All care, no responsibility". If they were secure, they would be responsible.

I get the feeling these indoor parks could come at the expense of the ones the council already provides. The council has to ask itself are all the extra carparks (A couple of dozen spaces at the most) and revenue that they would gain is really worth it? I don't think so. The result will be scooters and bikes all over the footpaths.

[Pwalo]

Surely the staus quo is cheaper, and more convenient for most motorcyclists. Why do the Council feel there is a need to change how things are Nudez?

[Dino]

"Fair & Reasonable" ???

WCC lost all control of this when they sold off the parking buildings to companies that have one policy - make all the money they can!!!

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[nudemetalz]

Okay,...the "fair and reasonable" was my words based on what they have told me.
Please don't shoot the messenger.... :bash:

[Pex Adams]

Please don't shoot the messenger.... :bash:

SHOOT TO KILL - SHOOT TO KILL:ar15::ar15::ar15::ar15:

[Swoop]

They are starting to get the idea.
Get rid of a few (emphasis on "few") carparks around town and make them available for bikes only. A slow progressive approach will allow better use of the space (approx 5 bikes per space that 1 car + 1 driver would use) is a better use of the resource.
By doing this on roadside parking spaces, it is council property so eliminates dealing with the conglomerate parking corporations and their money-making approach, rather than the "public service" council.

[Soul.Trader]

Yours won't be - you live in Tauranga. Any plan to use private parking in a user pays situation will mean that it rapidly becomes cheaper to park in a metred caprpark and pay the fines on a daily basis.

Which bit of "regional levy" didn't go in?

Or how about we make it rate payers, so only people with property can use bike parks?

Yet again, Jim, you have shown a remarkable degree of arrogance and know-it-all-ism. Let me put it this way, so you'll get it (I'll try to use small words): No one else should be forced to pay for YOU to park your bike in town. Simple enough for you?

[sels1]

Hey Nudez
Why not sent a councillor on a jaunt/jollie/junket to Melbourne to see what they do about bike parking in that enlightened city??
Anywhere, all over the footpath, and for free!

[Kendog]

Yet again, Jim, you have shown a remarkable degree of arrogance and know-it-all-ism. Let me put it this way, so you'll get it (I'll try to use small words): No one else should be forced to pay for YOU to park your bike in town. Simple enough for you?

If that was the case, I shouldn't have to pay for others to have accidents.

[kermit63]

yay Sels1,

I was just about to leap on and say why don't we act like a grown up cosmopolitan city like Melbourne, you know the one that beat us to the commonwealth games and "stole" a grand prix from Adelaide. Maybe they do these things because they have a more progressive attitude about what the city is there for - to be a place to live and enjoy living in, not to be a "model" environment the councillors can pat themselves on the back about how neat and tidy they've made it look.

"park em anywhere, as long as they don't get in the way", I say - Boulcott Street bikes were never in the way, and personally I find them good to look at, better than a bunch of cars.

Europe seems pretty tolerant also, not only of parking anywhere, but bikes and scooters being an accepted part of the traffic - even when they're crazy like in Rome, Paris, Lisbon, Seville - oh, pretty much everywhere really.

Sorry, rant over.

Cheers.

[limbimtimwim]

But that doesn't earn money or enhance Wellington's culture, which seem to be WCCs prime directives.

[Ocean1]

They are starting to get the idea.
Get rid of a few (emphasis on "few") carparks around town and make them available for bikes only. A slow progressive approach will allow better use of the space (approx 5 bikes per space that 1 car + 1 driver would use) is a better use of the resource.
By doing this on roadside parking spaces, it is council property so eliminates dealing with the conglomerate parking corporations and their money-making approach, rather than the "public service" council.

Wrong mind-set dude. The reason they want to replace roadside parks with commercial building parks is to wash their hands of the problem. And at someone else's expense at that.


But that doesn't earn money or enhance Wellington's culture, which seem to be WCCs prime directives.

Probably, until biker's votes become critical to their survival. How can we encourage them to believe that's already the case?

[RnB Fan]

Leave the status quo as is. The only thing we need to do is educate scooter riders that a bike parked on a side stand needs room beside it to be able to be stood up again in order for the rider to vacate the park. Good thing scooters are light and can be easily moved!

[FROSTY]

If you really want to retain the status quo then do what we did in the early 80's
The council were removing all the bike parking--we said yea righto. So we parked 2 bikes per car park up and down queen st.
Funny--bike parking was reinstated pretty quick

[Ocean1]

If you really want to retain the status quo then do what we did in the early 80's
The council were removing all the bike parking--we said yea righto. So we parked 2 bikes per car park up and down queen st.
Funny--bike parking was reinstated pretty quick

Why two? A concerted effort by locals could see a huge number of parks filled up before the rush. Sort of motorsicular denial of service strategy. :niceone:

[FROSTY]

making a poinbt--1 bike per park and the cages could sneak in the gap--2 bikes and the space is well occupied

[Ocean1]

Thought as much. Still, worth making the pooint that bikes take up WAY less room by just doing the one-per-park thing. One bike and an attitude orta keep the cages parkless. Although in Wgtn there's issues with the pay'n display thing, nowhere to safely bung the ticket...

[All]

If you really want to retain the status quo then do what we did in the early 80's
The council were removing all the bike parking--we said yea righto. So we parked 2 bikes per car park up and down queen st.
Funny--bike parking was reinstated pretty quickShit, I wish I saw that; it would have been hilarious!

[Number One]

What gets up my nose about all this parking thing is by where I work, there is a heap of pay parking with piddly stupid little 2 hour limits.

This is completely feckin useless (especialy where these ones are - not very close to the shops) as they are mostly *always* empty as no one 'who needs a park around there' needs it for less than three hours. So these parks sit there all day with no one in them and I'm talking at least 15 carparks!

Crikey if they would just turn it (or some of it at least) into bike parking it would really help out especially for those of us who have to cram into the Terrace parking spaces...eek I dread the day I come back to find my bike (and everyone elses) on it's side cos someone has tried to sneak into a non existant space in these lineups due to there not being enough bike parks.

Parking buildings? Hell no! It's easy to steal cars as well as bikes, just look at James Smiths. They apparently have cameras too?! I heard from a mate who had his car broken into and ripped off in there that the surveilance taping was so poor quality they couldn't get anything useful off it anyway...I'd rather risk a ticket for parking on the footpath or sum such place.

[All]

What gets up my nose about all this parking thing is by where I work, there is a heap of pay parking with piddly stupid little 2 hour limits.

This is completely feckin useless (especialy where these ones are - not very close to the shops) as they are mostly *always* empty as no one 'who needs a park around there' needs it for less than three hours. So these parks sit there all day with no one in them and I'm talking at least 15 carparks!

Crikey if they would just turn it into bike parking it would really help out especially for those of us who have to cram into the Terrace parking spaces...eek I dread the day I come back to find my bike (and everyone elses) on it's side cos someone has tried to sneak into a non existant space in these lineups due to there not being enough bike parks.

Parking buildings? Hell no! It's easy to steal cars as well as bikes, just look at James Smiths. They apparently have cameras too?! I heard from a mate who had his car broken into and ripped off in there that the surveilance taping was so poor quality they couldn't get anything useful off it anyway...I'd rather risk a ticket for parking on the footpath or sum such place.Does the James Smith carpark have a bad rep for bikes being stolen?

[FROSTY]

Funnyest thing was this really pissed off cage driver.
The protest was a well advertised but none the less peacefull one.
Untill Mr angry came along.
He HAD to have a carpark outside the bank.
Totallly unfair and not right that 2 bikes should take up a CAR park
--even thogh he was indeed alone in his big ol car
So He grabs the bars of a lil cb125 twin.Starts to wheel it away.
Pity is the owner was in a burger joint not to far away.
His nickname wasn't Bear for no reason.
Funny--the bike got put back pretty fast and mr angry put the pamphlet in his pocket and drove off

[Number One]

Does the James Smith carpark have a bad rep for bikes being stolen?

Don't know any bikers that park there actually BUT I figure if the buggers have got time to break into several cars and rip them all off then they'd have time to pop a bike in the back of a van. This was happening a wee while back.

Just saying. I wouldn't park my bike in there...it's bloody dark and dingy too and as a chick I can say I'd rather be walking to my bike at night out in the open in Wellington city versus, going into a dark and possibly unattended carparking building!

- sad that things have gotten like this actually isn't it?

[Wally Simmonds]

I've had my car stolen from the Marion St carparks and my car broken into twice at the James Smith. The only good thing about parking in there is that the bike parks are closer to the ticket stand, and there is usually someone in there so people would be less likely to rip bikes off.

I'd really like to see more carparks for bikes, but I can't see that happening anytime soon. Honestly, who voted these clowns back in?

/Disclaimer - I didn't vote =/

[bull]

I coming up about 16 months of parking my bike in the James Smith complex, always during work hrs though, have had no issues so far. Also Mike(Cave Cleaner on KB) is the maintenance guy for the complex so hes aware of the bikes and reckons it is very safe. Always Walkwise and PArkwise wandering through too so good amount of people to see any trouble.

[Dino]

Honestly, who voted these clowns back in?

/Disclaimer - I didn't vote =/

I voted, and no not for these clowns. :innocent:

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