If you see this spider DO NOT pick it up!

[Matt Bleck]

I got a email today from our local site saftey officer about a nasty spider.

Subject: FW: Be Aware: If You See This Spider - LEAVE IT ALONE!! It is in NZ!! Unclassified


Morning Everyone

I have just received this from Tony to forward to you. Please note the pictures are quite graphic, so be warned!.

If you see this spider please report to MAF immediately and if bitten seek medical treatment immediately. Ensure all your employees are aware these spider bites are very nasty and must be treated as soon as possible.

Here is the pic of the spider along with the damage it can do to you. BE WARNED these are VERY graphic/gory!!!

[ManDownUnder]

ummm - how big is it... ?

At the moment (being the cynical bastard I am)... it has enough distinguishing features to make it... umm... a spider.... but not easily refined beyond that.

[YellowDog]

The last 2 pictures look photoshopped.

Will squish them as usual anyhow.

[nodrog]

yum, his hand has a yeast infection :sick:

thats not what happened on Spiderman!

[spookytooth]

yuk another nasty import.Maybe the white tails will eat em before they get going :)

[Matt Bleck]

ummm - how big is it... ?

At the moment (being the cynical bastard I am)... it has enough distinguishing features to make it... umm... a spider.... but not easily refined beyond that.

Yup, just kill em all i guess! :confused:

[BIHB@0610]

Isn't that a white tail? They're common now, unfortunately. The only spider I kill - there's debate about whether their bites are as awful as sometimes reported but I figure where my kids are concerned, better safe than sorry.

Apparently they love pebble gardens - so put bark down if you don't want them around your place. Of course, with bark you get cockroaches .....

Anywhoo, check out the link....

http://www.landcareresearch.co.nz/research/biosystematics/invertebrates/spiders/white_tail.asp

[Disco Dan]

I got that email too. But with my track record... who knows what is fact or fiction anymore... :confused:

My spidey sense is tingling....

[sunhuntin]

white tails are more compact... shorter leg length. plus they are mainly black with a tip of white on their backs.

just stripped my bed, and there was a mega black spider under the bottom sheet... took the whole lot outside and shook it out... dunno if its gone though. not sure what it was other than black.

[nodrog]

Isn't that a white tail?

this be a white tail

[Matt Bleck]

I got that email too. But with my track record... who knows what is fact or fiction anymore... :confused:

My spidey sense is tingling....

I did wonder about that, but no harm in being cautious.

[ManDownUnder]

this be a white tail

AYE - THAT THAR be a whoite tayil (to be said with a mean Pirate Accent)

How did it get it's name do you know??? :dodge:

[Maha]

Weta Workshop are really clever, damn thats good!

[twotyred]

I got a email today from our local site saftey officer about a nasty spider.

Subject: FW: Be Aware: If You See This Spider - LEAVE IT ALONE!! It is in NZ!! Unclassified



Here is the pic of the spider along with the damage it can do to you. BE WARNED these are VERY graphic/gory!!!

And where did this allegedly happen?

[ManDownUnder]

Weta Workshop are really clever, damn thats good!

No no no - this is spider workshops you silly man. Sheetweb Spider (http://www.landcareresearch.co.nz/research/biosystematics/invertebrates/invertid/bug_details.asp?Bu_ID=57) workshops if my research is accurate at all...

If in doubt - hit it with a newspaper. and feed it to the birds....

[PuppetMaster]

If in doubt - hit it with a newspaper. and feed it to the birds....


If its big enough to feed to birds, there is no fucken way Im getting close enough to let it give me a nip.

[nodrog]

How did it get it's name do you know??? :dodge:

it was the second choice, after "bastardly 8 legged bitey thing" which was deemed culturely insensitive towards children born out of wedlock, and spiders that were unable to bite. So Helen Clarke apointed a commitee of experts, top scientists, and the iwi, to come up with somthing more PC.

1.3 million dollars and 18 months later, and they came up with "white tail spider", money well spent i think :2thumbsup

[ManDownUnder]

it was the second choice, after "bastardly 8 legged bitey thing" which was deemed culturely insensitive towards children born out of wedlock, and spiders that were unable to bite. So Helen Clarke apointed a commitee of experts, top scientists, and the iwi, to come up with somthing more PC.

1.3 million dollars and 18 months later, and they came up with "white tail spider", money well spent i think :2thumbsup

:niceone: :niceone: :niceone: :niceone: :niceone: PURE CLASS!!!!

Do they have a logo?

[Matt Bleck]

And where did this allegedly happen?

They didn't state where it happened, I have the Site Safe Advisor's Name and number if you would like to ring and find out!

[nodrog]

.... I have the Site Safe Advisor's Name and number if you would like to ring and find out!

and his badge number please, or this goes INTERNATIONAL!

[Maha]

:niceone: :niceone: :niceone: :niceone: :niceone: PURE CLASS!!!!

Do they have a logo?

Not sure but they have a catch phrase....
'To get insider, show her the Spider'

[ManDownUnder]

Not sure but they have a catch phrase....
'To get insider, show her the Spider'

LOLOL...



.... stirts... oooo stiiirts... I have somethin' to show youuuuu.....

[Matt Bleck]

and his badge number please, or this goes INTERNATIONAL!

:finger: .

[Maha]

LOLOL...



.... stirts... oooo stiiirts... I have somethin' to show youuuuu.....

Thats right, you do know, you where there.....:shutup:

[nodrog]

Do they have a logo?

unfortunatly they ran out of funding, they deemed it more important to give money to some westie dude to research the inner workings of the urban Bogan.

[James Deuce]

Isn't that a white tail? They're common now, unfortunately. The only spider I kill - there's debate about whether their bites are as awful as sometimes reported but I figure where my kids are concerned, better safe than sorry.

Apparently they love pebble gardens - so put bark down if you don't want them around your place. Of course, with bark you get cockroaches .....

Anywhoo, check out the link....

http://www.landcareresearch.co.nz/research/biosystematics/invertebrates/spiders/white_tail.asp
I got a white tail bite while working on the Katana last winter. The back of my leg swelled up and I lost bladder control. It was two weeks before I could walk properly.

[BIHB@0610]

I got a white tail bite while working on the Katana last winter. The back of my leg swelled up and I lost bladder control. It was two weeks before I could walk properly.

Wow!! Geez Jim2, that must've been awful. I'm gonna keep swatting the little blighters then!

Hope you've recovered :doctor:

[ManDownUnder]

Can't we call it the yuckky thumb bite spider?

[Maha]

The back of my leg swelled up and I lost bladder control. It was two weeks before I could walk properly.

This happens to me after every Maha Party that we have here, im sure my drinks get spiked with some sort of Venom! Mmmmmmmm, shall be watching those with skinny legs very closely next time.

[Jimmy B]

http://www.snopes.com/photos/bugs/brownrecluse.asp

My vote is for hoax.
:calm:

[Matt Bleck]

http://www.snopes.com/photos/bugs/brownrecluse.asp

My vote is for hoax.
:calm:
Oh FFS, so Site Safety NZ have no fucking idea!?????

[Jimmy B]

I would like to think that if a genuine bitey (as this one may or may not be) breached our biosecurity then we would all get a more tangible warning from MAF.

BTW I still havent forgiven those bastiges for confiscating my last breeding pair of painted apple moths.

Edit - Looks like the Brown recluse is right up there with the Black Widow "Brown recluse spiders possess a cytotoxin which may produce an ulcerating sore or lesion; antitoxins are available for both"

I definitely wouldnt flash my lights at them either Mikkel.

[Mikkel]

If you see one - what ever the fuck you do: DO NOT FLASH YOUR LIGHTS AT IT! IT'LL KILL YA DED (sic)!!!

[boomer]

and his badge number please, or this goes INTERNATIONAL!

do eeet.. blow teh cover of this pr0n ring!

[MIXONE]

do eeet.. blow teh cover of this pr0n ring!

Spiddie prOn ring.

[Big Dave]

The wounds are those similar to what can occur with a white tail bite.
The first photo is not a white tail spider.

I subscribe to the theory that it is not the spider's venom, but there is a bacteria that lives on the white tail's fangs.

This causes an allergic reaction similar to gangrene - in some people with the relevant alergy.

My son was bitten by a White Tail in Hobart 10 years ago. He started to have the necrotic reaction.

Withing 4 days he had a blister the size of a 20c piece on his wrist and it was growing rapidly.

Amputation was discussed.

The cure not as drastic.

It was fortunate that he was in Hobart - because they stuck him in the Antarctic Station's decompression chamber and flooded him with oxygen.

This kills the bacteria.

He has a nasty scar - from a wound similar to the second photo.

If you do get bitten and have the allergic reaction. Oxygen.

Mean time - kill them remorselessly.

[kevfromcoro]

I heard somewhere.
Put janola on the bite.
does something to the bacteria.
Dunno???

[Jimmy B]

I heard somewhere.
Put janola on the bite.
does something to the bacteria.
Dunno???

That actually sounds reasonable.

[007XX]

I went grocery shopping a few weeks ago, and lo and behold, in the packaged green grapes, was a dead black widow :sick:

Quickly gave it to the management :sweatdrop

i freakin hate spiders, but even more if they appear to be in my food...

[riffer]

My youngest son Nicky copped a nasty whitetail bite over Xmas. At first it appeared to be like a boil on his thigh (looked very much like the first pic of the thumb) but got progressively worse.

I drew around the red to check its progress - at one stage it was advancing a good 5mm an hour - we went straight to the After Hours and they lanced it and got him on antibiotics immediately.

He ended up with six weeks of antibiotics and still has a scar.

I found the spider in his bed. It didn't survive discovery.

[PrincessBandit]

OMG, anything with 8 legs (or less if they appear to be spidey-amputees) is bad news as far as im concerned. If i'm at all uncertain as to whether it should be allowed to live or not, i go for the latter option. But a humane death of "squash-by-shoe" is my choice rather than fly spray (even for spiders I think that's cruel).

[SPman]

Feckin White Tails!

I was talking to the boss the other day, when a White Tail casually strolled across the wall, just behind his head. First I'd seen over here (yeah I know they come from Aus.)
Makes a change from all the Redbacks though - killed 4 of those little buggers in the last week - that'll teach them to try and build a web from the compressor to the saw bench!!!

[Ixion]

I subscribe to the theory that it is not the spider's venom, but there is a bacteria that lives on the white tail's fangs.



This is correct. It is a necrotysing coccus (strep or staph I can't remember which). But it is a little more complex than a simple bacterial infection. The spider venom is a protease, it lyses the protein in flesh, breaks it down and the bacteria gobble it up.

[motorbike.ventures]

OMG guys, now I am second thinking about visiting this spidey island! Maybe safer to stay here where we have no deadly animals?

I grew up in Cali where we have black widows, I saw 3 in my life, never heard about anybody getting bitten. Your spiders are definately R rated horror movie spiders! Ekkkkkkkkkk!!!!

[Devil]

Your spiders are definately R rated horror movie spiders! Ekkkkkkkkkk!!!!

Funny you should say that.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099052/
Our cuddly little Avondale Spider. Can be found around these parts!
http://www.landcareresearch.co.nz/education/insects_spiders/facts/Avondale.asp

[Ixion]

Brace yourself. And meet the Avondale Spider ! This is quite a small one.

[motorbike.ventures]

Hahahahaha, that movie rocks, one of my favorites (I'm a horror movie freak)...


but wait, those exist?!?!?! Next you will be telling me that the spider from LOTR exists and is NZ as well!!!!!

[Ixion]

There was a reason why they filmed LOTR in New Zealand. Don't worry, tourists are never let near her, she's a maori cultural treasure.

And if you like spiders, wait until you meet a weta !

[yungatart]

What I want to know is, is there really anybody on here who would pick up a spider??
Squash 'em, yes, spray 'em, yes, but actually pick one up..HELL NO!!

[motorbike.ventures]

You guys have crazy spiders... If I lived there I would stomp on them too!

In Cali we have these spiders called daddy long leggs (yes, the technical name, lol) They are cool, they have super long thing legs and a little blob of a body. Not dangerous at all, all over the house, I loved picking them up and playing with them... Until I stepped on one with my bear feet... that was gross, I hate squished bugs, especially on me... eeeww!

http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/875/45001475.JPG

[yungatart]

We have Daddy Long Legs here too. They are really toxic but their fangs aren't long enough to pierce the skin....

[motorbike.ventures]

We have Daddy Long Legs here too. They are really toxic but their fangs aren't long enough to pierce the skin....

I have heard that, but I guess no bite no harm... glad to hear all your spiders there aren't killers :D

[tri boy]

Wasn't it "Robert the Bruce" who defended the humble spyder, and said it would rain each time one was squashed??
Now I know why NZ is rainy. You buggars keep killing insy winsy spyder.:angry:

I think daddy Long Legs are still venomous, but their fangs can't penetrate human flesh.

[twotyred]

http://www.snopes.com/photos/bugs/brownrecluse.asp

My vote is for hoax.
:calm:

unsurprisingly,it would appear so... well done :clap:

[Big Dave]

unsurprisingly,it would appear so... well done :clap:

Unfortunately the similarity to some white tail bite outcomes is real.

[twotyred]

I have heard that, but I guess no bite no harm... glad to hear all your spiders there aren't killers :D

except that the common theory about white-tails and the varied reaction to their bite is that IF they have recently devoured a Daddy long legs ( highly poisonous etc..) and then bite you then this may explain the SOMETIMES nasty reaction...

[motorbike.ventures]

except that the common theory about white-tails and the varied reaction to their bite is that IF they have recently devoured a Daddy long legs ( highly poisonous etc..) and then bite you then this may explain the SOMETIMES nasty reaction...

hmm, so daddy long legs is the bullet and the white tail is the gun?

Okay, you win, all NZ spiders are killers... really, if I go there I am not getting off my bike, ever! LOL

[Edbear]

hmm, so daddy long legs is the bullet and the white tail is the gun?

Okay, you win, all NZ spiders are killers... really, if I go there I am not getting off my bike, ever! LOL



Nah! Now if you want dangerous spiders, go visit Australia! My Bro-in-law was actually chased by a huge spider about the size of our Avondale. He killed it with his gumboot I think, but his wife and kids were up on the chairs by this stage...

And if you run over a snake, don't go back to see if it's dead, they get really angry...

[fliplid]

Re White Tails

Apparently they love pebble gardens - so put bark down if you don't want them around your place. Of course, with bark you get cockroaches .....

"Their preferred habitat is under dry bark..." :Oops: What it says on the Landcare site...

[Ixion]

..
And if you run over a snake, don't go back to see if it's dead, they get really angry...

Shit mate, if you run over a snake, and then do a runner, they'll all go for you BIG time. Snakemobiles, snakemocycles, helicopters, they'll have the lot searching for you. , No matter how bad the ticket's going to be , running over the snake is over the top. Lucky Lou Giradin's not around these days.

And, as someone's bound to say, the snake's probably only doing his job.

[fliplid]

Same with badgers... easily stunned and well aggressive when they come round!

[RC1]

I got that email too.

my partner got this months ago, tis not in NZ

[kevfromcoro]

We got a weasil at work.dam things is corsing havoc.killing rabits.etc.
been trying to nobble it..but its to quick for us

[fliplid]

Sorry- I though lots of folk in NZ wanted rabbits killing?

[Big Dave]

On cue I just squashed a huge white tail on the lounge room ceiling.

[Mikkel]

We have Daddy Long Legs here too. They are really toxic but their fangs aren't long enough to pierce the skin....


I think daddy Long Legs are still venomous, but their fangs can't penetrate human flesh.

Yeah, that's the myth.

Fact is that in the southern part of Africa there lives a spider called the violin spider which looks a bit like a daddy long legs and it has a very potent toxin that can be lethal.

Funny fact about the funnel web spider found among other places in Sydney: Their toxin is more potent to dogs and humans than other animals - which is a bit unfortunate since they are fairly aggressive and live in urban environments, go figure. Only in Australia...

[LilSel]

What a total crock of shit!!!!!!!!!



Site safety wouldn't have announced that... (I work in conjunction with them)


Its a HOAX!!!!!!!.............


~~~~~~~~~~~~~Click here to see that its not true~~~~~~~~` (http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_brown_recluse_bite.htm)


:lol:

[AJ']

man!!

i'v just seen a similar spider last night at my kitchen

how nasty~~~

[motorbike.ventures]

Yeah, that's the myth.

Fact is that in the southern part of Africa there lives a spider called the violin spider which looks a bit like a daddy long legs and it has a very potent toxin that can be lethal.

Funny fact about the funnel web spider found among other places in Sydney: Their toxin is more potent to dogs and humans than other animals - which is a bit unfortunate since they are fairly aggressive and live in urban environments, go figure. Only in Australia...

So daddy long legs are not poisonous?

[FruitLooPs]

Yeah, that's the myth.

Fact is that in the southern part of Africa there lives a spider called the violin spider which looks a bit like a daddy long legs and it has a very potent toxin that can be lethal.

Funny fact about the funnel web spider found among other places in Sydney: Their toxin is more potent to dogs and humans than other animals - which is a bit unfortunate since they are fairly aggressive and live in urban environments, go figure. Only in Australia...

Indeed, snopes to the rescue once again.

http://www.snopes.com/critters/wild/longlegs.asp

Also mythbusters did something on daddy long legs I believe. :yes:

[Big Dave]

Only in Australia...

Australia is a very confusing place, taking up a large amount of the bottom half of the planet. It is recognisable from orbit because of many unusual features, including what at first looks like an enormous bite taken out of its southern edge; a wall of sheer cliffs which plunge deep into the girting sea.

Geologists assure us that this is simply an accident of geomorphology and plate tectonics, but they still call it the "Great Australian Bight" proving that not only are they covering up a more frightening theory, but they can't spell either.

The first of the confusing things about Australia is the status of the place. Where other land masses and sovereign lands are classified as either continent, island, or country, Australia is considered all three. Typically, it is unique in this.

The second confusing thing about Australia are the animals. They can be divided into three categories: Poisonous, Odd, and Sheep.

It is true that of the 10 most poisonous arachnids on the planet, Australia has 9 of them. Actually, it would be more accurate to say that of the 9 most poisonous arachnids, Australia has all of them. However, there are curiously few snakes, possibly because the spiders have killed them all.

But even the spiders won't go near the sea. Any visitors should be careful to check inside boots (before putting them on) under toilet seats (before sitting down) and generally everywhere else. A stick is very useful for this task.


Douglas Adams.

[Mikkel]

Douglas Adams.

You have got to love that man! One of the people I am truly sorry I will never get to meet... Read his "Last chance to see" if you get an opportunity. Truly a wonderful book.


As for Only in Oz:
Only in Oz can you find a take-away treat consisting of fries, deep fried fish/chicken and ketchup all wrap up in a nice messy bundle - and they call it "An Abortion"... :lol:

[James Deuce]

You have got to love that man! One of the people I am truly sorry I will never get to meet... Read his "Last chance to see" if you get an opportunity. Truly a wonderful book.
A very "not wonderful" man. From very personal experience. He wasn't eccentric he was an arrogant wacko.

Humiliation was his byword. NZ was just another place to humiliate when he was here. He makes Finn look humble and servile. If he was still alive. But he's not.

[Big Dave]

He wasn't eccentric he was an arrogant wacko.



Genius is often flawed.
I've even made a few mistkaes.

[Mikkel]

A very "not wonderful" man. From very personal experience. He wasn't eccentric he was an arrogant wacko.

Humiliation was his byword. NZ was just another place to humiliate when he was here. He makes Finn look humble and servile. If he was still alive. But he's not.

For obvious reasons I wouldn't have a clue... Guess I don't have to feel too bad about not meeting the fella. I've enjoyed reading his writing though.

Can't help but wonder if it was the fame or if he was just put together that way now...

[Mikkel]

Genius is often flawed.
I've even made a few mistkaes.

I think you'll find that it's spelt mistakes... :rolleyes:

[Ixion]

I think your mistoken.

Big Dave doesn't make mistakes. But those mistkaes of his, oh wow.

[Big Dave]

I think you'll find that it's spelled mistakes... :rolleyes:

irony
adjective
of or like iron : an irony gray color.

[Mikkel]

I think your mistoken.

Big Dave doesn't make mistakes. But those mistkaes of his, oh wow.


irony
adjective
of or like iron : an irony gray color.

I don't get it?

[Ixion]

Mr Hitcher, fetch the lexicon, and sharpen up a quill.

[Big Dave]

I don't get it?

Now *that's* ironic, Alanis!

[Ixion]

How come when you process irony ore , you get steely, but when you process ironic ore you don't get steelic ?

I think I need another of those mistkaes, it's been a long day.

[Big Dave]

How come when you process irony ore , you get steely, but when you process ironic ore you don't get steelic ?

I think I need another of those mistkaes, it's been a long day.

Because you have to refine Irony ore in order to make a vehicle and irony is not a vehicle in the order of the refined.






I just worked out how to write Gilbert & Sullivan.

[Mikkel]

Now *that's* ironic, Alanis!

Surely you must mean iconic if we're talking about Alanis, she IS god after all...

[Big Dave]

Surely you must mean iconic if we're talking about Alanis, she IS god after all...

I'll see if I can find you the text.

Even better

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMQ8S2uHTlo

And another Bint for headbanger

[Kemet]

http://www.snopes.com/photos/bugs/brownrecluse.asp

My vote is for hoax.
:calm:

I agree, if you compare photos of the brown recluse with the one in the "email" they aren't the same. Very different from each other.

[Mikkel]

I'll see if I can find you the text.

What con-text?

[gijoe1313]

If mouse are mices, why isn't house, hices? Bedda find m'glubs, s'awful ridin' and hav'n bugs squish betw'n yer pinkies...

But arachnids are super-kewl, used to spend hours at the library reading about them and watching docos about them ...

I love Portia the spider... it's one mean feral machine!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1640513/posts

[motorbyclist]

this be a white tail

:shit:


i've got them all over my flat.... kinda just left them to kill all the other bugs....


there's quite a few of them now too

(and those last two pictures in the original post are not from spider bites and are photoshopped to make them bigger too)

[EJK]

Fuck! Why I read this now!

Well.... I'll be off for a while... :whistle:

[ManDownUnder]

irony
adjective
of or like iron : an irony gray color.

oooo a song along..

Any old iron
Any old iron
Any any any old iron...!

(do you mean any iron - the Breville ones are a different colour to the gate ones)

[007XX]

(do you mean any iron - the Breville ones are a different colour to the gate ones)

:shifty: You know an awful lot about irons for a married man Ned...:rofl:


:dodge:

Besides, the colour should be a light anthracite...:innocent:

[motorbyclist]

man you guys really need to HTFU

just think of what they get in most other parts of the world

we don't even have snakes!

[howdamnhard]

Got the email to and checked it out.It's a brown recluse spider which is similiar to the violin spider. Has been known to kill small children in the states.Has nasty cytotoxic venom (cell destroying) and for the unfortunate few can result in injuries seen in the photos.If you look closely at the pick you can see the violin shape on its back. They come out at night and wander around in search of prey,not aggresive but will bite if pressed against your skin as in when putting on your clothes or rolling over onto one in your sleep.:eek5:Daddy long legs are venomous and can bite through your skin but the venom is of no major consequence.

[Kemet]

I don't know about anybody else but have you seen how many web sites about the spider all show the same 10-day infection photos???

Noticed this as my attempts at researching the topic kept giving me de-ja-vu.

[Big Dave]

kept giving me de-ja-vu.

........I've heard of that somewhere before.

[MIXONE]

........I've heard of that somewhere before.

What?De-ja-vu all over again.:gob:

[chrisso]

To me it looks similar to a ''Fiddleback'' spider. Known in Melbourne & Adelaide.Toxic. Those lesions are similar to White tail bites( which only affect some UNlucky people. Just be thankfull you dont have our lovely Atrax-Robustus --the Sydney Funnelweb. Usually fatal without 1st aid & antivenom.
Or the Box Jelly fish .or the Cone shell . or the Bush Tick or the Blue Ringed Octopus..... google these nasty critters.

[chrisso]

To me it looks similar to a ''Fiddleback'' spider. Known in Melbourne & Adelaide.Toxic. Those lesions are similar to White tail bites( which only affect some UNlucky people. Just be thankfull you dont have our lovely Atrax-Robustus --the Sydney Funnelweb. Usually fatal without 1st aid & antivenom.
Or the Box Jelly fish .or the Cone shell . or the Bush Tick or the Blue Ringed Octopus..... google these nasty critters.

I think its the same as the ''Banjo spider mentioned above

[BiK3RChiK]

Do we really have this in NZ or is it a prank?

M