The measure of a real wanker

[Fatjim]

And how come KB is full of them.

I just don't understand.

Two motorocyclists die at Puke racing, a thread is started, people start to put their condolences in it and them some wankers start debating.

I just can't believe that people can't behave well in threads of mourning, and can't resist the urge to spout forth.

We sit here day to day bitching about society, labour, social wellfare etc and quite a lot of you, some of whom clearly feel they are above the masses behave like retards and uneducated, dragged up twats at possibly the most sobering time of our lives.

Can the Mods, for !@#$ sake delete anything that is in an RIP thread that is in the remotest disrespectful.

I'd also like to say that in my cutlure as most, profanity and RIP don't go together. It makes you look like a twat, not a man.

[James Deuce]

Just saw who one of them was in the paper this morning.

Definitely not the sort of KB send off he deserved. Ask the Bruntons how much work Derek put in after Owen died.

[Skyryder]

AI'd also like to say that in my cutlure as most, profanity and RIP don't go together. It makes you look like a twat, not a man.

This needed to be said. Family don't need to see foul language if they have a mind to check out the 'notices.'






Skyryder

[mstriumph]

why is this thread in Pointless Drivel?

...it is neither.

[MIXONE]

My question is why is this in pd?
It shouldn't be.

[Virago]

I think it was started here...?

[mstriumph]

It should be moved - because it makes sense


MODS????

why is there NEVER a Mod around when you need one!! :whistle:

[Number One]

Surely this is not considered PD...I think this needs to be raised

[GaZBur]

FatJim you are so right. I had been watching that thread and was dissapointed in behaviour. I didn't even feel it was appropriate or me to add my condolances for people I never even know but I certainly wouldnt be telling people to harden up or put the f### word in my post.
Funny though even though I didn't know them when it was "2 riders died" it didn't mean much to me at all but when they were named they became real people with families who cared and others who had to deal with the situation there.

Think twice before you post to a thread that hurt and upset people may be getting comfort out of!!!!

[Mom]

Sensitive issue that maybe needs to be thrashed out beyond the eyes of the trawling public maybe, given that this kind of discussion usually ends in tears and abuse flying. I expect a bit of flak from posting what I am tonight actually.

I dislike the biker down threads with a passion, can not abide the "......." or the meaningless "RIP fallen rider" sympathy that some members use to show how they feel.

Me I dont post at all.

As far as the two men that were tragically killed this past weekend at Pukekohe and the thread that was started alerting us to the accident, I read it and was shocked and saddened that 2 lives were lost there.

My first reaction was "hate that track, time bikes refused to race there!"

Then I read a bit about what happened, and "sumised" that it was not a track failure, it was "mechanical" and blah, blah....
I have no idea what happened, I feel for the families and friends of those involved, the marshals ( I count my friends among them) and everyone that had to deal with this tragedy.

If you have nothing positive to say, or comforting in this case, dont post at all!

[bistard]

Well said BigJim

[Mrs Busa Pete]

I would have to agree 100% with this thread. If you cant say something nice don't say anything or do it via the pm system

[Kendog]

There are some insensitive (I am not sure they know they are being insensitive) people round here for sure.

I get a bit of the "it's an accident, I can't help but look" thing going on with the biker down type threads, but unless it's someone I personally know I don't post.
So it's a mystery to me why people write what they do in these threads, do they not realise family/friends will more than likely read this stuff.

Pretty sad really.

[Joni]

I can see both side here.... why it was moved and why it should not have been moved.

No its not drivel, I think we all know its a very serious issue.... however a lot of emotion comes out in subjects like this, and I think the move has been done as a pre-emptive thing....

I may be wrong.

However what I can say for sure is... and quite a few people in this thread know the "rules"... Fatjim if you really felt strongly about this, why did you not PM someone and work with them to get it resolved...

This kind of thread just stirs up the hornets nest, but does not resolve anything. So the aim in which is was created is lost.

[James Deuce]

However what I can say for sure is... and quite a few people in this thread know the "rules"... Fatjim if you really felt strongly about this, why did you not PM someone and work with them to get it resolved...



That's actually an impossibility. The people causing the "issue" are so seriously self involved as to be sociopathic. They can't see that James has a point.

I know. These are people I have tried to engage in the past, and I've been told in no uncertain terms that my "attitude" is archaic and my point of view irrelevant. All that matters to these people is that they get what they want, right now. IMO they aren't really human, members of society, or people I would ever call "friend".

[Joni]

Jim, so you pm a mod and get it sorted, that is what I meant.... not argue with the person who has upset you in the forums or via PM. (Thats is just stupid and a fruitless exercise)

Follow the right channels... but you know this as well.

[James Deuce]

I was talking about being the victim Mod being pmed to sort it out. The whole thing is pointless.

[Joni]

I was talking about being the victim Mod being pmed to sort it out. The whole thing is pointless.I dont agree.... sorry.

They are there to sort thing out, so if you have a problem you should pm them.

They should be big enough to say "Yes I can help" or "No sorry I cant"

But like I said, do this when you feel strongly about something.... and Fatjim did, seeing he felt the need to start this thread.

[Virago]

I can see both side here.... why it was moved and why it should not have been moved...

Repeat - it was not moved.

[Joni]

Repeat - it was not moved.So It was started in here?

Oh dear...... :confused:

[Fatjim]

Calm down, calm down.

Firstly, I started this in PD, the mods didn't move it. I did this because most of my stuff usually ends up there, and based on previous experience I thought I'd save the mods the hastle.

Secondly, there are several reasons I did not PM the mods

1. I do my bitching in public where I can. PM'ing mods just pisses people off.
2. But mainly though it was because some of those guilty I know personally, many I respect. I did not want anybody feeling they had been singled out and I felt this was the best way to deal with that.

[The Pastor]

i didnt think you can start threads in pd. :|

[Mental Trousers]

This thread was started in PD, not moved there. FatJim has pm'ed a mod and asked that it be moved out of PD so it will be.

Unfortunately, this is an issue that has been thrashed out a number of times in the past. Equally as unfortunate, when the self righteous, disrespectful clowns this thread is having a go at get in here it'll go straight back to PD.


I know. These are people I have tried to engage in the past, and I've been told in no uncertain terms that my "attitude" is archaic and my point of view irrelevant. All that matters to these people is that they get what they want, right now. IMO they aren't really human, members of society, or people I would ever call "friend".

Exactly. They believe their cause is much more important and their rants are justified. Being a disrespectful fuckwit that causes upset and distress among the family and friends of those involved is irrelevant because the keyboard warrior believes their rant will make people think. They don't realize that they're doing the equivalent of standing up at a time and place (such as at a funeral/memorial/rememberance/etc) where it is extremely inappropriate and going to be least effective.

[Pex Adams]

RIP......

Opp's wrong tread:spanking::spanking::spanking:

[Ixion]

They don't realize that they're doing the equivalent of standing up at a time and place (such as at a funeral/memorial/rememberance/etc) where it is going to be least effective.

But the KB rule is that there is NEVER , EVER a suitable time of place. And ANY suggestion that reminds people that motorcycling can kill you, and that reckless riding will kill you quicker, will alwaays be moved pretty much immediately to PD. Or, if people are really starting to take notice, to total oblivion - 'A time to reflect'. And that the Heaven Born, as a matter of principle will make quite sure that no such suggestion ever is 'effective'

Personally I think the attitude of the Heaven Born is grossly irresponsible.

[FROSTY]

Ixion Sorry mate but I disagree with you on Two fronts.
1) there has been a "changing of the guard" in the mod team. as a result I genuinely believe that there would be a different attitude to a THREAD discussing accidents.
2) As always its a question of time and place. I don't believe that in a thread clearly greiveing the death of a freind or to some just a fellow biker is the appropriate time/place to be discussing the rights or wrongs of it.

[Number One]

its a question of time and place. I don't believe that in a thread clearly greiveing the death of a freind or to some just a fellow biker is the appropriate time/place to be discussing the rights or wrongs of it.

+1000






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[Hitcher]

Ixion Sorry mate but I disagree with you on Two fronts.
1) there has been a "changing of the guard" in the mod team. as a result I genuinely believe that there would be a different attitude to a THREAD discussing accidents.
2) As always its a question of time and place. I don't believe that in a thread clearly greiveing the death of a freind or to some just a fellow biker is the appropriate time/place to be discussing the rights or wrongs of it.

If people want to post things in a public forum where comment can be contributed by all and sundry, that is a risk they take. What may or may not be *appropriate* is a matter of time and place. While Moderators do their best to keep *RIP* threads on track, the path that these follow is largely in the hands of contributing members.

Death, unfortunately, brings out the best and the worst in Kiwi Biker's members. And, like many other threads, some members will not conform with what others believe are norms of behaviour for those involving major accidents.

If such events end up involving high-profile members, then inevitably three threads will result: an RIP/condolances thread; a situation update thread; and an analysis of the accident thread. Unfortunately many members have no idea what content should go into which, and some sort of dependence on Moderators results.

[Fatjim]

I can't see this changing in the immediate future, so some people need to ingest a major bite of reality and HTFU.

You can't, I can, if people actually have the balls to say to others that they're out of line, in public. I'd have no problem saying to anybody's face. This kind of behaviour is atrocious and unforgivable.

I don't see how an RIP thread should not be treated in the same respect or reverance that a memorial or funeral service is. When it all boils down it's just a case of immaturity, so its not HTFU if you object, but GTFU (grow the fuck uo) to those who can't behave like adults.

[Pex Adams]

Hi Mod's

When I die - Can I have a RIP tread without the bullshit please.

I would just like to get my request in now, if thats ok?

Thanks.

[Fatjim]

But the KB rule is that there is NEVER , EVER a suitable time of place. And ANY suggestion that reminds people that motorcycling can kill you, and that reckless riding will kill you quicker, will alwaays be moved pretty much immediately to PD. Or, if people are really starting to take notice, to total oblivion - 'A time to reflect'. And that the Heaven Born, as a matter of principle will make quite sure that no such suggestion ever is 'effective'

Personally I think the attitude of the Heaven Born is grossly irresponsible.

I don't understand WTF this has got to do with this thread. I was quite specific about the time and place I was refering to and you wander off into a mod/heaven born bashing rant. Go start your own thread and piss off out of this one until you can get on the same page.

[FROSTY]

comeon guys this doesn't need to be a bitch fight.

[Maha]

I would have to agree 100% with this thread. If you cant say something nice don't say anything or do it via the pm system

Now wheres the fun it that?...:crybaby:



not argue with the person who has upset you in the forums or via PM. (Thats is just stupid and a fruitless exercise)



Abolutley, start a thread and let everybody have a go!.....:baby:

EDIT: Strange how it all went quiet when Baggy Trousers stepped in....'teacher and naughty students'?....:spanking:

[Fatjim]

I am tempted to say "It doesn't say it anywhere because it says it everywhere", but I think the illusory allusion would miscarry.

But indeed the Heaven Born , like their quandam namesakes, do indeed in all things announce their superiority, and distance from we lesser mortals.

The claims to leadership were in your own post , announcing the rule of the quadrumivrate , which so long adorned the home page , but has now mysteriously disappeared (after a sojourn in Site Stuff). Like a sprite, insubstantial upon the air. Odd that. Like much else that has recently disappeared from there.

The reluctant acceptance of elite status I may not directly quote since it was in a PM, but reference may be had in the "thanks for the fishes".

I was wrong about the unwashed masses - we are not unwashed but faceless. Faceless masses , now in this (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1446337)thread

You just don;t get it. We don't care in this thread. We might care in others, but not this thread.

[Kemet]

*pauses to wipe mud off my face*

I'm suprised I made it to here after wading through all that gunk.

Has any1 started the Ixion bashing thread yet (just in case I start feeling too clean and need muddying up again).

My 2c:

I can understand FatJim's sentiment. Nothing ruder or more inconsiderate of others than to start running one smouth off and slanging those who have died in a thread that was meant to help the living who knew and cared about the dead person/ppl. Very bad taste.

IMHO:

RIP threads should be just that. A thread for saying farewell and/or passing on condolences to those you know who are affected by the the death. Personally, unless I know the departed or someone close to them I don't go to those threads. It's like being one of those (little, old) ladies who show up at their church for all the funeral services whether they know the deceased or not, just to show face. Just isn't right to me.

May be some rules for those threads should be made, such as:

A designated forum for the (dearly) departed
No profanity (except for lines like "cya, ya old bastard" kind of thing)
RIP and condolence wishes only
No blame-laying be it of ppl, gear or environment. make a new thread if you want to discuss that.Something along those lines.....

[Jiminy]

May be some rules for those threads should be made, such as:

A designated forum for the (dearly) departed
No profanity (except for lines like "cya, ya old bastard" kind of thing)
RIP and condolence wishes only
No blame-laying be it of ppl, gear or environment. make a new thread if you want to discuss that.Something along those lines.....

'Kinda' agree. 'Kinda' only because it looks to me like common sense. Such rules should not be needed at th first place.

If you want to discuss the cause of an accident, don't do it in the RIP thread (which is often read by the family of the deceased), and please wait a bit before doing so, at least until the grief has faded and more facts are known.

[Subike]

. When it all boils down it's just a case of immaturity, so its not HTFU if you object, but GTFU (grow the fuck uo) to those who can't behave like adults.


Got to say this, with repect for those who have grown up.
There are a heap of KB'erswho are not yet Adults, still in that "Im superman "
age group, who will not see reason, not see past their own agender, or who will stir trouble to get attention.
I think it gets forgotten that there are members of this site who are 15 - 19 years old and are still learning how to act in public,on forums, on the road plus how to see the difference between dry humor and abuse.
In my observations, this place is very fast to put labels on any person who posts coments outside of the intent of the discussion,
There will always be Dick Heads on threads, or those who are percieved to be Dick Heads because of their posts, myself included.
Could it be that we dont read entire threads before answering a post that catches our attention?
The biggest Wanker on KB, could just be your 1st Aid rider if you have a spill.
One of the sad things is these threads sometimes say things we wish we didn't,never to be removed, often quoted, never forgiven.
One of the "biggest wankers" of recent times has toned down his posts and become a usefull member, because he has matured.
As an older fellow, I guess I have to allow for the "ignorance of youth" when reading these pages.
Grow the fuck up and learn?? some of us are on that road now, learning not only how to ride a bike, but also how to deal with others whom have experiance and self control far beyond that which we have already learnt to date.
Young fellows? they will grow up in time,
Lets allow them to do so without labels, abuse, flaming and a "get the fuck out of my face" attitude that sometimes appears.
Cheers guys
I hope you all enjoy your rides this weekend
I know I will

[Fatjim]

Got to say this, with repect for those who have grown up.
There are a heap of KB'erswho are not yet Adults, still in that "Im superman "
age group, who will not see reason, not see past their own agender, or who will stir trouble to get attention.
I think it gets forgotten that there are members of this site who are 15 - 19 years old and are still learning how to act in public,on forums, on the road plus how to see the difference between dry humor and abuse.
In my observations, this place is very fast to put labels on any person who posts coments outside of the intent of the discussion,
There will always be Dick Heads on threads, or those who are percieved to be Dick Heads because of their posts, myself included.
Could it be that we dont read entire threads before answering a post that catches our attention?
The biggest Wanker on KB, could just be your 1st Aid rider if you have a spill.
One of the sad things is these threads sometimes say things we wish we didn't,never to be removed, often quoted, never forgiven.
One of the "biggest wankers" of recent times has toned down his posts and become a usefull member, because he has matured.
As an older fellow, I guess I have to allow for the "ignorance of youth" when reading these pages.
Grow the fuck up and learn?? some of us are on that road now, learning not only how to ride a bike, but also how to deal with others whom have experiance and self control far beyond that which we have already learnt to date.
Young fellows? they will grow up in time,
Lets allow them to do so without labels, abuse, flaming and a "get the fuck out of my face" attitude that sometimes appears.
Cheers guys
I hope you all enjoy your rides this weekend
I know I will

Absolutely, no problem with that. Not the case this time though. Some of those I'm refering to are in their 50's and have been to far more funerals than I have.

[Patch]

Got to say this, with repect for those who have grown up.
There are a heap of KB'erswho are not yet Adults, still in that "Im superman "
age group, who will not see reason, not see past their own agender, or who will stir trouble to get attention.
I think it gets forgotten that there are members of this site who are 15 - 19 years old and are still learning how to act in public,on forums, on the road plus how to see the difference between dry humor and abuse.
In my observations, this place is very fast to put labels on any person who posts coments outside of the intent of the discussion,
There will always be Dick Heads on threads, or those who are percieved to be Dick Heads because of their posts, myself included.
Could it be that we dont read entire threads before answering a post that catches our attention?
The biggest Wanker on KB, could just be your 1st Aid rider if you have a spill.
One of the sad things is these threads sometimes say things we wish we didn't,never to be removed, often quoted, never forgiven.
One of the "biggest wankers" of recent times has toned down his posts and become a usefull member, because he has matured.
As an older fellow, I guess I have to allow for the "ignorance of youth" when reading these pages.
Grow the fuck up and learn?? some of us are on that road now, learning not only how to ride a bike, but also how to deal with others whom have experiance and self control far beyond that which we have already learnt to date.
Young fellows? they will grow up in time,
Lets allow them to do so without labels, abuse, flaming and a "get the fuck out of my face" attitude that sometimes appears.
Cheers guys
I hope you all enjoy your rides this weekend
I know I will
Thats all well and said, but how do you explain the 50 something year old spouting off, when he should more than likely "know better".

In my book thats worse than the immature teenager.

He wasn't there on Sunday, he wasn't party to the mood down pitlane 30mins after the tragedy, he didn't have one of his riders come into the pits all ghost like and beside himself not knowing what to do, all because of what he had seen. He then did not see and talk too a young lady, who was clearly not coping very well with what she had just witnessed. Its a complete shit feeling seeing some of your friends in that kind of pain, and you can't do a damn fucking thing to help them other than being there. And to then read some of the complete shit typed in some of the threads . . . :angry2::angry2::angry2::angry2::angry2::angry2:


Its a real shame some of these (real wankers) people weren't actually there, it would've have been a pleasure to educate them had they chosen to say what they have typed but I guess we'll never know.


After this horrid weekend is a far distant memory, the real disappointment is these real wankers will still be here, learning nought, spouting forth complete dribble while these families and friends still mourn the loss of a son and father.