Filtering etiquette

[Dave Lobster]

I'm interested in other people's opinions on filtering etiquette. Just recently, I've noticed an increase in other bikes 'blocking' while filtering.
I expect it from cars (holding me up for ten seconds WILL get them to work faster, obviously), but why on earth do bikes sit holding up other bikes who want to get past?
Some of them deliberately. I've had two or three this week alone on the northern motorway in the morning.

Am I alone in letting faster moving traffic overtake??

[Usarka]

Sure it's deliberate? Could be more reluctant riders waiting for the right size gap before continuing to split.....

Or there's a :Police: ahead :eek:

[Dave Lobster]

Yup. Jabba the Hutt on a big antique Kawasaki earlier in the week. He knew I was there.. I'd even hooted at him a few times. He just pointed down at the floor.. I assume that means "I'm on a bike, you're on a scooter.. I'm fat.. stay behind me".

[Swoop]

If you are a fat cunt on a cruiser, your bike is not entirely suitable for filtering. Buy a scooter.
Especially the owner-operator:tugger: who rides the Upper Harbour Dr of an afternoon.

Yes, there has been an increase in "blockers". Luckily there is lane 1a:blip:.

[Usarka]

"I'm on a bike, you're on a scooter.. I'm fat.. stay behind me".

is that your scooter in your profile???

[CookMySock]

I won't push through any gap. If I'm not happy I sit back and wait - I ride my own ride.

Pass if you can fit, but don't put me in danger, and don't rudely tell me to GET OUTA THE WAY, coz I get real stubborn.

When its your turn at the front then it is, when it's my turn at the front, then its not your turn.

If you're behind me and I'm up at the lights I'll leave room so you can get alongside and race me at the green light - its good fun!!

I won't move up front at the lights if it means I have to sit between a row of cars - thats dangerous.

I haven't actually had someone block me using a vehicle.. :whistle: I have them follow VERY closely after I pass them. Whatever.. Mostly traffic parts in front of me like the red sea when I open my rowdy vtwin up.. comin' thru!! Why do they get outa the way so fast ? Do they want to see my bike, or am I scaring them ? :whistle: Whole lines of traffic move outa the way like I'm a fleet of harleys or somethin.. I love it lol..

I don't "Get The Hell Out OF The Way" for someone who wants to go fast - I pay my road user charges, and sometimes I want to do it my way and thats tough, but generally I WILL fit you in as a matter of courtesy.

Once I blocked a lane because I wanted to get a look at some vehicle.. so what ? its my turn to have a look at something - its not gunna kill them to wait.. WELL, were they fucking IRATE or what ?? That got real nasty real quick. owch.

DB

[BadCompany]

"I'm on a bike, you're on a scooter.. I'm fat.. stay behind me".

Theres your problem right there mate.

[Grub]

I filter at a safe and sensible speed, anyone who wants to go faster than that is going to have to find their own way around me. Actually, I'm doing them (and biking) a favour. They won't get hit by lane-changers and bikers won't get a bad rep which causes drivers to throw blocks in.

And to the Learner on the 600 on Tuesday splitting at 100 between cars doing 80 along Aotea motorway ... you'll get yours lad, one day .... and you won't be able to blame the driver

[BadCompany]

I filter at a safe and sensible speed, anyone who wants to go faster than that is going to have to find their own way around me. Actually, I'm doing them (and biking) a favour. They won't get hit by lane-changers and bikers won't get a bad rep which causes drivers to throw blocks in.

And to the Learner on the 600 on Tuesday splitting at 100 between cars doing 80 along Aotea motorway ... you'll get yours lad, one day .... and you won't be able to blame the driver

I like poeple like you, I usually sit behind slower people then me so I can calm my self down and keep my license a little longer.

How ever sometimes I just jump between the next lanes and go mental.

[PirateJafa]

How ever sometimes I just jump between the next lanes and go mental.

No kidding :rolleyes:

[Fatjim]

the reason people lane split is so they DON'T get held up. Why someone would think its cool or doing someone a favour by holding them up for no reason I don't know.

Have a little curtesy people, whether your following or in front.

[FJRider]

Read your rode code.The answers are in there.

[Grub]

Why someone would think its cool or doing someone a favour by holding them up for no reason I don't know..

I didn't say I was holding them up for no reason. I said I was already filtering at a safe and sensible speed ... and that if they wanted to go mental, then they could find a way around me. It's not my responsibility to allow them through to get crunched.

[jafar]

Read your rode code.The answers are in there.

Where ? As far as I have found the roadcode doesn't mention 'splitting' @ all

[Fatjim]

I didn't say I was holding them up for no reason. I said I was already filtering at a safe and sensible speed ... and that if they wanted to go mental, then they could find a way around me. It's not my responsibility to allow them through to get crunched.

But I think that I filter at a safe speed, and so do you. What are the chances that we filter at the same speed? Just cause someone filters faster than you or I doesn't mean they are going mental. A noob would think we're both going mental, should they hold us up?

[sAsLEX]

There is normally about 5 lanes for lane splitting so if you see a road whale ahead jump across a lane and get round them...... not had many come up behind me....... :2thumbsup

[FJRider]

I didn't say I was holding them up for no reason. I said I was already filtering at a safe and sensible speed ... and that if they wanted to go mental, then they could find a way around me. It's not my responsibility to allow them through to get crunched.

Its called, FREEDOM OF CHOICE. If they CHOOSE to get crunched... who are we to argue. I'm glad I only have to worry about more than one lane when I'm in a passing lane, or if I include the car parking spaces in town.
Next you'll be asking the etiquette for when two, or more get stopped by highway patrol (Who talks FIRST )

[rainman]

I'd never intentionally block another bike from getting past me, but I am generally not in a hurry (40-50 is plenty fast between cars), and I spend almost all of my attention watching the mad bastards in front of me who change lanes without thinking or looking, so tend not to watch my mirrors all the time. I've had a few impatient twats come flying past and nearly do me a damage, and seen plenty of ydfoc's splitting down at 80+. Pricks'll doubtless cause a big crack down by the police when they finally do come to harm (oh, and hurt themselves), but there's nothing I can do to stop them while I'm on the road, and blocking them off would be dumb, not to mention rude.

As Ixion might say, it's just the Gene-O-Kleen at work.

Anyway, if I'm in front of you and yer in a mad fooking hurry, be patient, find your peaceful place, don't sit on my arse, and I will let you past as soon as possible when I become aware of you. Polite and melodious tootling is allowed. Once.

You will still get to work before me.

[FJRider]

Where ? As far as I have found the roadcode doesn't mention 'splitting' @ all

If it doesn't mention it, that makes it OK or LEGAL. What ELSE doesn't get mentioned ??? Do wheelies get mentioned ??? And it is in there, or maybe the rules just dont apply to you.

[McJim]

The_Dover used to catch up with me on the Southern Motorway quite quickly. Sometimes I was concentring on the vehicles in front too much to notice him but when I did I would just pull into a gap on left or right and wave as he went past.

I used to catch up with a few riders regularly on the Southern too and on occasion they didn't get out of my way but I'd just move from lane 2a to lane 1a pass them and then get in front of them (giving them a friendly wave as I went past:finger:).

[jafar]

Read your rode code.The answers are in there.


If it doesn't mention it, that makes it OK or LEGAL. What ELSE doesn't get mentioned ??? Do wheelies get mentioned ??? And it is in there, or maybe the rules just dont apply to you.

Well which is it ?? The answers are in there OR they are not !!!!!
You can't have it both ways..... As I stated before lane splitting is NOT mentioned in the road code that I am aware of, if it is be so kind as to say which page of the current road code it is mentioned on so we can all have a read.

[fireliv]

I cant stand other motorbikes or scooters that pass me when traffic is moving esp if it is moving at 50km. I wont move out of the way. If they think they can fit between cars then they sure as hell can fit between me and anyone else. If traffic has stoped then thats different. I will usually let another bike go first if they are bigger than me and are looking to go. I'm not the quickest of the line, though usually do ok so I dont mind letting others go first. Seams fair to me.

[westie]

Yea I'm pissed off too. Sometimes I gotta get around someone on the stairs from my house to my work place:nono::oi-grr:

Filtering is fun. Its like a problem you gotta solve. Anticipating a gap in the traffic to cross to the next lane etc.

Any way you look at it, its a death defying stunt. Might as well have fun on your way out.:eek:

[xwhatsit]

I keep getting held up by large crusiers for some reason, heading north around Market Rd exits. These guys (I'm talking about the ones that hold me up, not crusiers in general, you touchy little bastards :laugh:) split -- but at only a 5kph speed differential -- why bother? And have to slam on their brakes all the time because they can't fit through the gaps. Quite unnerving and frustrating to be stuck behind. Changing lanes isn't so easy either when traffic is really slow; Aucklanders don't know about following distances.

I'm no demon splitter, so I often check my mirror, at least when it's in `reflecting' position, not folded down for extra narrowness.

[Nagash]

Interesting.. Never had anyone catch up with me when splitting before.. hmm.. And I got a cruiser :D

I reckon if someone is in more of a hurry to through then meself I'd pull over for them, but only at my conveniance, i'm not gonna try wedge into some little gap for 'em.

At the lights, if I see somebody coming up behind me i'll pull over and to the front of the cagers (I swear they leave a little gap at lights just for bikers) and let them cruise along side me. Usually a good oppourtunity to have a chat aswell.

But when following behind people, I usually just give them their space and let them go at their on pace and just follow behind. I don't factor in lane splitting when working out what time I need to get to places so the faster I do lane split, the more time I have for a coffee or a smoko at the end.

[Gremlin]

yeh... went through a period of coming across bikes that wouldn't budge for others... even a big gap in their lane, and no movement...

rev of bike... beeps of horn, he/she looks in mirror and does nought... you WANT me to squeeze past ya? I know my bike well... how well do you think you know yours? :lol:

Weirdest one of all was someone sitting right on the arse of the car in front (easily less than a metre), fast lane, left hand side, not even splitting... :weird:

[bull]

I filter at a safe and sensible speed, anyone who wants to go faster than that is going to have to find their own way around me. Actually, I'm doing them (and biking) a favour. They won't get hit by lane-changers and bikers won't get a bad rep which causes drivers to throw blocks in.

So you have made yourself an unofficial road sheriff, thank goodness, now bikers trying to get to work can be held up by the idiot cagers and the sheriff. Doesnt take much to drop back into a lane to let bike past then continue filtering, try it and youll be surprised.

[Swoop]

Interesting.. Never had anyone catch up with me when splitting before.. hmm.. And I got a cruiser :D
There is a chap on the western, on a narrow cruiser who is bloody brilliant! Oh yes, he can filter!


Looking at some of the replies, the "kiwi driving mentality" is coming through. "I'm alright, so fuck the rest"...
Use your mirrors. If there is another bike in them, pull over for a second and let them pass. Is it really going to cock up your day that much to do so?

[UberRhys]

Speaking of unofficial sheriff's, on the north-western last night I got cut up in the fast lane by some muppet with a pillion who then proceeded to hit the brakes hard a few times to tell me to slow down! Muppet made there pillion slide into their back a few times causing a mild catastrophy, not to mention pissing me off. :angry2: Why do people do this? Did they miss out on getting into Police College as well as being denied application to be a security guard? Maybe they watched Street Hawk too much in the 80's and feel the need to become a vigilante crusader...?:argh:

[CookMySock]

So you have made yourself an unofficial road sheriff, thank goodness, now bikers trying to get to work can be held up by the idiot cagers and the sheriff. Doesnt take much to drop back into a lane to let bike past then continue filtering, try it and youll be surprised.if you are that late for work its yer own fucken fault, not someone elses.

Lane-splitting is dangerous enough without hardasses angrily lane-splitting the lane-splitters. Fuck off.

DB

[Flatcap]

Speaking of unofficial sheriff's, on the north-western last night I got cut up in the fast lane by some muppet with a pillion who then proceeded to hit the brakes hard a few times to tell me to slow down! Muppet made there pillion slide into their back a few times causing a mild catastrophy, not to mention pissing me off. :angry2: Why do people do this? Did they miss out on getting into Police College as well as being denied application to be a security guard? Maybe they watched Street Hawk too much in the 80's and feel the need to become a vigilante crusader...?:argh:

It must have offended him that your Vespa could go faster than his shit bucket

[Hitcher]

I use the word so rarely I pronounce it "Eticketee".

[Grub]

So you have made yourself an unofficial road sheriff, ...

Nup, just riding my own ride. In the same way that we all hate cars that tailgate, the same goes for tailgating bikes. How ofthen have you found a place to pull over and let a tailgating car through? Not often for any of us I imagine. No difference, same thing.

[vifferman]

Lane-splittering is NAUGHTY, so of course anything goes! :headbang:

[Fatjim]

No its not Grub. Like I said we lane split to save time.

Just be considerate of others, simple. Is it so hard? You'll be an OAP before your time at this rate.

Firefly, I'm not saying put yourself in any danger, safety first, but give the next guy some room, make it obvious to him you've seen him and are getting out of his way and all's good. Simple stuff. Someone might do it for one day. (Her's as well).

And DB, no we're not late for work, we leave later because we can, we leave later because it takes less time to get to work. Your logic is dumbfounding. I'm incredulous (sp?) (again).

Remember people, no one here is the fastest lane splitter, or the slowest. Treat others like you would like to be treated yourself. No one loves being held up by arogant whatevers, no one here likes being buzzed by a bike doing 50k faster than you.

[vifferman]

Remember people, no one here is the fastest lane splitter, or the slowest.
WTF?!?
Whatkindadrugsareyouonman?!?
It's the freakin' Wacky Races, Dude! Us communterers are all racing to get there as soon as possible, in as mental a way as we can!

[Usarka]

WTF?!?
Whatkindadrugsareyouonman?!?
It's the freakin' Wacky Races, Dude! Us communterers are all racing to get there as soon as possible, in as mental a way as we can!

Damn straight :girlfight:

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/c/cc/250px-Dick_muttley.jpg

[Mikkel]

Seems Christchurch is good for commuting. I see a max of 10 motorcycles a day on my commute (whether going the same way as me or the opposite).

I've never had to lanesplit in the same space as another motorcyclist. Most often the ones that travel in the same direction as me ride like they were in a cage.

If I had someone come up behind and I got the feeling that they'd like to go faster than me, sure I'd pull aside and let them pass at the first safe opportunity.
I'm splitting because I loathe being held up by other motorists (I loathe the feeling, not the motorists that hold me up though - as a general rule). Holding someone else up would be worse to me...

Slightly off-topic: I've recently begun using left and right turning lanes to filter to the front of queues at the light. I find that not having to worry about whether there's space enough allows me to get there faster and safer. Anyone got some thoughts on this practice?

[Usarka]

Slightly off-topic: I've recently begun using left and right turning lanes to filter to the front of queues at the light. I find that not having to worry about whether there's space enough allows me to get there faster and safer. Anyone got some thoughts on this practice?

I often use the right turn lanes as they usually sequence before the straight green. As long as there is room to squeeze in at the front..... If the cars are stationary and you indicate to turn back into the correct lane then i suspect its no different to filtering at the lights.

[ManDownUnder]

Hey each to their own, people split faster than me, some split slower. I rarely have any probs (diong the length of the NW each way every day), but sometimes wonder about bikes without mirrors, or those that are underused.

Easy peasy - as swoop said - if there's a bike that's caught up to you they seem to be going faster through traffic... find a safe place to pull over for 3 seconds, let them through - and carry on.

I don't see the harm in doing that, and I see no benefit in being a self apointed sherriff holding others to my interpretation of the rules where (lets face it) there are are no rules allowing it to start with.

Doesn't that make it hyprocritical? (Splitting and enforcing the rules?)

[xwhatsit]

Nup, just riding my own ride. In the same way that we all hate cars that tailgate, the same goes for tailgating bikes. How ofthen have you found a place to pull over and let a tailgating car through? Not often for any of us I imagine. No difference, same thing.

It's not even close to being the same thing. I don't tail gate the slow splitter in front; I'd still like him to move over and let me through. If you want to make an analogy, your splitting behaviour is more like a slow campervan climbing up a twisty mountain road with cars and bikes stuck behind wot can't get past. A polite campervan driver would pull over and let the traffic through.

We get no consideration from any other traffic most of the time; it would be nice to at least get some from other bikers.

[bull]

if you are that late for work its yer own fucken fault, not someone elses.

Lane-splitting is dangerous enough without hardasses angrily lane-splitting the lane-splitters. Fuck off.

DB

Not quite sure how it becomes a me being late for work issue. And at no stage did i blame someone else, perhaps you need to pull your head out of your arse and read the text. Tho maybe its your turn to have your head up your arse right now and to hell with everyone else.

It seems to me that a few people are forgetting a bit of common courtesy when out riding. If you are holding anyone up no matter how fast they are or how slow you are, you are still the one holding them up, whereas with the manouvrebility of a bike you could step aside and let them go.

This thread sounds similar to the Muppet who said he would sit in the fast lane doing 110km/h in his cage and anyone whom thought he should move over were idiots as he was allready speeding and he was doing everyone a favour by slowing down the ones whom want to go faster.

[CookMySock]

Not quite sure how it becomes a me being late for work issue. And at no stage did i blame someone else.

Oh, thats exactly what you said. re-read below.. look !


now bikers trying to get to work can be held up by the idiot cagers and the sheriff.

See it's the "idiot cagers" and the "sheriff" that you appointed (he didnt appoint himself - your words) who are causing the problem, not your stupid lack of time management.

Less experienced riders feel really intimidated by hardass pricks on their tail. Go away and stop acting like you are the only person with feelings that are important. Sure YOU feel frustrated, but they feel AFRAID of you. Get a clue and back off. :oi-grr:

DB

[Weaver]

Less experienced riders feel really intimidated by hardass pricks on their tail. Go away and stop acting like you are the only person with feelings that are important. Sure YOU feel frustrated, but they feel AFRAID of you. Get a clue and back off. :oi-grr:

DB


Its seems as though with all the bullshit and cry baby crap that you post DB, you should not only change your name to "Soft Cock", but you should also be walking, everywhere.

I've said it before to you and I'll say it again

Harden the fuck up

[CookMySock]

I've said it before to you and I'll say it again

Harden the fuck upPiss off mate. If I want your fucking advice I will ask for it.

edit: ooooh red rep!! "Harden the fuck up cock sucker" gawd you are a dick.. is that the best you can do ? Bring it. retard.

DB

[Weaver]

Its not advice "friend". Heres a link for you. http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=suicide

[Mikkel]

Piss off mate. If I want your fucking advice I will ask for it.

edit: ooooh red rep!! "Harden the fuck up cock sucker" gawd you are a dick.. is that the best you can do ? Bring it. retard.

DB

This is a public forum. You can not say that.

Badge number (or IRD in lack thereof) or this goes international!!!

[Badjelly]

This is a public forum. You can not say that.

He can say that, but it makes him look bad when he does.

Please stop trading abuse, people, and stick to the topic.

[Mikkel]

He can say that, but it makes him look bad when he does.

Please stop trading abuse, people, and stick to the topic.

Sorry, unless you have read this (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=68332) thread you won't get the joke ;)

[Grub]

A polite campervan driver would pull over and let the traffic through..

Assuming that there is a place to pull over to - which there isn't. You see, I am getting bullied here over this, just like it happens on the road in the morning commute!

The reason I (we) are splitting is because the cars are either stopped or crwling. They are all tailgating each other. There is nowhere to go yet you insist that I get out of your way.

I'm not that partial to bullying ... anywhere.

[xwhatsit]

Assuming that there is a place to pull over to - which there isn't. You see, I am getting bullied here over this, just like it happens on the road in the morning commute!

The reason I (we) are splitting is because the cars are either stopped or crwling. They are all tailgating each other. There is nowhere to go yet you insist that I get out of your way.

I'm not that partial to bullying ... anywhere.

Yes, I suppose there was a contradiction in my post. If there's no room for me to change lanes to 1a or appropriate, then there's probably not room for you to duck in and let me past.

On the other hand, are you saying that if you had room to pull aside, safely, would you do so if somebody wanted to get past? That's not really the impression I got from reading your earlier posts, spurring me to reply.

[Weaver]

Sorry, unless you have read this (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=68332) thread you won't get the joke ;)

I was seriously laughing out load. That was fucken brillant. Best thread ever

[FROSTY]

What has given me the shits commuting (shit scared not pissed off) is the guy that has to prove that he's "THE MAN"
I'd encounter these guys regularly on my way to work.
They would be riding along in the traffic stream or slowly splitting.
I'd come up behind em a tadd faster than them -Suddenly they have to win the race.
The throttle gets twisted back and you can see they are waaay outside their comfort zone.
I used to follow em figuring it's their skin That was before I realised it was safer to flip over to the l1/l2 split and just pass em and carry on

[Grub]

On the other hand, are you saying that if you had room to pull aside, safely, would you do so if somebody wanted to get past? .

It's going to kill my street cred to say that I might have done that once or twice. It's more comfortable to split on your own than with filled mirrors. :(

On the other hand, perhaps this explains a bit of my grumpines, I was spliting down the on ramp from Ngauranga and checking the gap before comitting to it (not only is everyone merging but there was a bus and two trucks with not much room between). I was half between, half in the left lane thinking about it when a yellow/black motard came past me a good 40kmh faster than me, swerved around me into 1/4 car length gap on the right, clipped my throttle grip (just a nick) and carried on weaving in and out of both lanes as well as going down the centre.

Honestly I have seen more fuckwit/dangerous bikers than cage drivers on the morning commute - but we tend not to like hearing that.

[bull]

Oh, thats exactly what you said. re-read below.. look !



See it's the "idiot cagers" and the "sheriff" that you appointed (he didnt appoint himself - your words) who are causing the problem, not your stupid lack of time management.

Less experienced riders feel really intimidated by hardass pricks on their tail. Go away and stop acting like you are the only person with feelings that are important. Sure YOU feel frustrated, but they feel AFRAID of you. Get a clue and back off. :oi-grr:

DB

So trying to get to work is now considered being late for work? Would that make everybody trying to get to work fit in the being late category? You think im a hardass when im splitting, couldnt be further from the truth but, oh well youve made up your mind about my personal riding style.

As for the less experienced feeling intimidated, im one of these less experienced and i too notice when bikers come up behind me(thats what the fricking mirrors are for) whilst splitting and i take any opportunity possible to move out of the way to let them go, and after all thats my main point, move out of the way where possible to let those going faster pass you.

[Griff]

if you are that late for work its yer own fucken fault, not someone elses.

Lane-splitting is dangerous enough without hardasses angrily lane-splitting the lane-splitters. Fuck off.

DB

Dude are you fishing for Red Reps?

(Just in case you are serious though.....)
You talk about safety... Tui!!!!

People who hold back other splitters ARE either inexperienced, know something's dodgey up front or tossers.

From a safety angle, you are now holding up bikers! :chase:
They will be getting a little frustrated and WILL be riding close and DIRECTLY behnd you!!! If you need to slam on the anchors, you will get someones front wheel up your arse. (If you are lucky).

You will also be using up valuable nano-seconds of awareness in trying to ignore the fact that bikers are close behind you and in doing this YOU are becoming another road hazard. :spanking:

Let them go in front (as long as they are going faster than you).
That way they can wake up the sleepy cage drivers 1st. By the time you pass the cages, the drivers will hopefully be more awake.

It IS in your interests to let them go.

[CookMySock]

I'm not that partial to bullying ... anywhere.Exactly.


Honestly I have seen more fuckwit/dangerous bikers than cage drivers on the morning commute - but we tend not to like hearing that.Yup.

Back off, you pricks. It's just as much our road as yours. We bow to your experience etc etc yadda yadda yadda, now go find a track for your antics.


You think im a hardass when im splitting, couldnt be further from the truth [...]NO, I split as well.. what I'm saying is as in Grubs example, where he is fucken nearly trampled by some asshole who thinks he is too cool. Not to place you or anyone in this category, except they volunteer it - like you did.


oh well youve made up your mind about my personal riding style.not at all. you volunteered this information. Re-read please.


As for the less experienced feeling intimidated, im one of these less experienced and i too notice when bikers come up behind me(thats what the fricking mirrors are for) whilst splitting and i take any opportunity possible to move out of the way to let them go, and after all thats my main point, move out of the way where possible to let those going faster pass you.I do not disagree with you on this, I am of the same category - quite likely you place great value in your feelings, just as the next person does.

I take your point also, that the less experienced might allow the more experienced back to having their fun, and I agree with this, but not at any cost.

So we agree on some things, which is better than an hour ago. Sorry for the name calling ok. twas bad. :spanking:

DB

[CookMySock]

Dude are you fishing for Red Reps?

(Just in case you are serious though.....)
You talk about safety... Tui!!!!

People who hold back other splitters ARE either inexperienced or tossers.

From a safety angle, you are now holding up bikers! :chase:
They will be getting a little frustrated and WILL be riding close and DIRECTLY behnd you!!! If you need to slam on the anchors, you will get someones front wheel up your arse. (If you are lucky).

You will also be using up valuable nano-seconds of awareness in trying to ignore the fact that bikers are close behind you and in doing this YOU are becoming another road hazard. :spanking:

Let them go in front (as long as they are going faster than you).
That way they can wake up the sleepy cage drivers 1st. By the time you pass the cages, the drivers will hopefully be more awake.

It IS in your interests to let them go.oh get real. at LEAST 50% of the above description is either blatantly against the law, or pure anti-social. NO I won't get off the fucken road coz you are in a hurry. If I can let you through safely then I will do that - no worries! But quit with the intimidating shit.

DB

[FROSTY]

People who hold back other splitters ARE either inexperienced or tossers.

NOT FOR CERTAIN. Sometimes they know something you don't.
Like the traffic cop ya know is sitting in a mufty car just in front.

[Griff]

NOT FOR CERTAIN. Sometimes they know something you don't.
Like the traffic cop ya know is sitting in a mufty car just in front.

Absolutely.. I will give you that one!;)

If I am holding back because I see something up front and a bike catches up, then I will acknowledge their prescence and indicate what lies ahead if I can.

If they choose to ignore it and persist, fine. I will let them go, it's their choice.

Personally I do not like riding in packs.
I treat most people on the road with respect and don't trust any of them.
So if it is safe up-front and a bike get's too close, I will let them go.

Once they have got beyond a certain distance away, they do not pose as much a safety threat as they do sitting behind me.

[BadCompany]

if you are that late for work its yer own fucken fault, not someone elses.

Lane-splitting is dangerous enough without hardasses angrily lane-splitting the lane-splitters. Fuck off.

DB

We are not necessarily talking about hard asses or people late for work. But people who feel comfortable splitting a bit faster then other people. We aren't all angry little bastards, are we?

[Griff]

ooh get real. at LEAST 50% of the above description is either blatantly against the law, or pure anti-social. NO I won't get off the fucken road coz you are in a hurry. If I can let you through safely then I will do that - no worries! But quit with the intimidating shit. DB

Hahaha Sweet! :2thumbsup

Who said anything about it being intimidating?

Surely it makes sense to let these guys get away from you from a personal safety viewpoint. Just like it makes sense for you to not want to follow behind another bike AND be sandwiched between cages.

Have you EVER been in the latter situation?

[bull]

Exactly.
NO, I split as well.. what I'm saying is as in Grubs example, where he is fucken nearly trampled by some asshole who thinks he is too cool. Not to place you or anyone in this category, except they volunteer it - like you did.

not at all. you volunteered this information. Re-read please.

DB

Perhaps im going blind but i cant for the life of me workout where i volunteered/stated that i am some nutter who rides up the rear of other riders whilst splitting. I dont agree with this style either and when ive been in similar situation as the rear rider ive found a way into other lane and gone ahead of said slower rider, and on the other side of the coin i have been that slower rider and moved aside asap to let faster rider through. Seems straight forward enough to me.

[Griff]

..... ive been in similar situation as the rear rider ive found a way into other lane and gone ahead of said slower rider, and on the other side of the coin i have been that slower rider and moved aside asap to let faster rider through. Seems straight forward enough to me.

I'm with you on this one, just take the path of least resistance.
This should be a "No brainer."

[Fatjim]

This thread's got boring.

Time to go bang my head against another wall.

[Swoop]

I don't tail gate the slow splitter in front; I'd still like him to move over and let me through. If you want to make an analogy, your splitting behaviour is more like a slow campervan climbing up a twisty mountain road with cars and bikes stuck behind wot can't get past. A polite campervan driver would pull over and let the traffic through.
A good analogy! Everyone has their own "happy" pace.
Ride your own ride. Overtake others safely and move over to allow others to pass in the same manner.

[Slingshot]

Actually, I'm doing them (and biking) a favour.
That's a bit high 'n mighty isn't it?

I lane split on occasion, and I've been known to split reasonably quickly. It's frustrating (and IMHO dangerous) when bikers are sitting in the splitting part of the lane dribbling their way past the traffic.

I very rarely have cars moving to block me or changing lanes into me (touch wood) and some riders in the Wellington have very good spacial awareness (they see you coming and move over when they can).

People that ride/split faster than you are nutters, people that ride/split slower are nanas.

[sAsLEX]

I filter at a safe and sensible speed, anyone who wants to go faster than that is going to have to find their own way around me.

You drive a caravan don't you?

You impart your views onto other as they can't know better can they?



It take two seconds to be courteous and drop back into the flow to let a faster splitter through...... I will do it one day when one comes up behind me..........

[MaxCannon]

I don't see what the big deal is.
If someone is behind me and wants to go faster then I get out of the way.
When I'm splitting I check my mirrors ever 5-10 seconds depending on what's going on in front

Today was a good example, an SV1000 came up behind, I wasn't splitting at the time as the traffic had sped up.
When it slowed down I let the SV go past and then split behind him.
Worked out well since the cars could hear his pipes and knew he was coming, a couple even made an effort to make a gap.

I could sit in the way and hold people up but thats just likely to make them do something stupid to go past.

What we need is fewer people (how about 0) that are self appointed road sheriffs. The number of times I've sat behind someone in the outside lane who is doing bang on 100kph and won't move over.......

[Stromble]

I thought it was all quite simple really..

I split alot myself on the Northern, but I aint no expert, so I hear or see another biker up my rear, if its safe, I try move over for them, else they have to find a suitable safe path around.

Unfortunately I dont always see them in a timely manner as a)they are approaching pretty fast and Im not in the habit of using my mirrors too much when splitting, more interested in the road ahead.. and b) they sometimes ride right up my arse in the blindspot behind me. Once they sway out to the side and I see them, I then try to make a safe passage for them. I find this quite good, as I then try to follow for a while to gain more splitting experience..

All's good.!

[Dave Lobster]

Today was a good example, an SV1000 came up behind, I wasn't splitting at the time as the traffic had sped up.
When it slowed down I let the SV go past and then split behind him.
Worked out well since the cars could hear his pipes and knew he was coming, a couple even made an effort to make a gap.

In my experience, they're the best ones to follow through traffic. Occasionally, there's one that has real pipes on, not the standard ones (that sound as shit as an auto scooter)

[CookMySock]

Who said anything about it being intimidating?I was with my mate in his cage, and we got split and he was like "WTF???".. I just laughed at him and sed "lol bikes can do that", but he wasn't very pleased.. NOW I KNOW that this bikers' manoevre was perfectly safe but the fact is, even experienced drivers/riders get somewhat of a surprise, and NEWBIES get quite a shock. Clip their fucking handgrip on the way through and they will break into a cold sweat and pull OFF the road. It may not be intimidating to you, but others have strong feelings about it. Since the whole reason faster riders would like to get in front is about THEIR feelings (feel frustrated - can't get past the newbies - is no fun), then why are their feelings important and others irrelevant ?


Surely it makes sense to let these guys get away from you from a personal safety viewpoint.It is THEIR responsibility to NOT put others' safety at risk - just like it my responsibility to conduct myself safely so I do not put YOUR safety at risk.. unless of course your feelings are paramount and mine are meaningless ??


Just like it makes sense for you to not want to follow behind another bike AND be sandwiched between cages.Agreed, this is dangerous. I split between two large trucks once and put my front tyre on the white line up-front, and THAT was bad enough.. Further to this, the truckies powered up then backed off coz I wasn't quick enough - they didn't HAVE to back off but they did.. If I had stalled or other, they would have had to wait for me at the green lights.. This is NOT THIER PROBLEM, yet I made it so. This was wrong on my part. If there was two or three bikes behind me we now have a serious situation.


Have you EVER been in the latter situation?behind another bike with no way out ? no. I choose not to enter in case I get sandwiched. The cops will bust you for this also - filtering to the front is tolerated, lane-making is not. (source - ride forever video) - any cops here comment on this ?

Look I see you guys feel frustrated about bloody newbies in your way, and I agree this is irritating. All I'm sayin is just don't them feel like they are going to die today ok ? Their feelings carry at least the same importance as yours. You don't ALWAYS have to take the back seat, but sometimes you do.

DB

[owner]

whats etiquette?

I have never had anyone hold me up there is always a way round

[CookMySock]

I don't see what the big deal is.
If someone is behind me and wants to go faster then I get out of the way.I agree. But he shouldn't dangerously push past.



When it slowed down I let the SV go past and then split behind him.Yes, this is good fun, and a way to learn. Thanks to the experienced boyz showing the newbs. Good stuff.



Worked out well since the cars could hear his pipes and knew he was coming, a couple even made an effort to make a gap.LOL yes I notice this on my vtwin - just tap it slightly..grrOWWWWLL and maaaan the traffic parts like the red sea - I lub it LOL. :2thumbsup


I could sit in the way and hold people up but thats just likely to make them do something stupid to go past.It is NEVER your responsibility that someone ELSE does something stupid. We aren't animals. I am responsible for my own actions 100% 24/7, just like you are for yours - there is no other possible conclusion for this argument.



What we need is fewer people (how about 0) that are self appointed road sheriffs. The number of times I've sat behind someone in the outside lane who is doing bang on 100kph and won't move over.......Agreed. It is not proven that this is their reasoning though, and if this is what you believe, it is more than possible that your perception is incorrect - happens to me all the time. :(

Enough of my opinion on this.

DB

[Dave Lobster]

Look I see you guys feel frustrated about bloody newbies in your way, and I agree this is irritating.

My original post wasn't about newbies. It was about people deliberately holding other people up. The gut bucket that was holding me up this week wasn't a newbie. He knew what he was doing.. he was just being a c*nt.

In my experience, new people DO get out of the way.

[Disco Dan]

just take the path of least resistance.

Said the vicar....

[CookMySock]

My original post wasn't about newbies. It was about people deliberately holding other people up.Yes, Sorry. My error.


[...] I've noticed an increase in other bikes 'blocking' while filtering. [....] Some of them deliberately.

DB

[Pixie]

It's good to see that some bikers are as big arseholes as many car drivers.
It makes us feel as though we are part of the mainstream.

[Fatjim]

Yes, Sorry. My error.



DB

Finally. It wasn't that hard after all.

now we just need Grub to swallow a bit of pride as well.

[old git]

Go to London for a couple of weeks and ride for a dispatch company......Then you will learn to filter or die of hunger!!!

[CookMySock]

Finally. It wasn't that hard after all.

now we just need Grub to swallow a bit of pride as well.troll, ignore.

[McJim]

troll, ignore.

It takes one to know one obviously. Seriously though, Where the fuck do you get off coming in and spewing vitriol over some of the long standing and supportive members of this online community and expecting us to think you are some font of wisdom?

Some of the people you have tried to attack are really genuine and helpful. Remember this place differs from most online forums in that many of us have met each other in meatspace and that we do regularly meet in meatspace rather than in Cyberspace.

The logical upshot of this is that you will probably meet someone who is respected at a KB event, your now infamous kneejerk will kick in and you'll have to contend with about 60 angry bikers.

At least wait until you've passed 1,000 posts before becoming abusive eh?

Oh, and by the way you don't actually need to sign your posts....we can all see it was you..:rofl:

[CookMySock]

It takes one to know one obviously. Seriously though, Where the fuck do you get off coming in and spewing vitriol over some of the long standing and supportive members of this online community and expecting us to think you are some font of wisdom?

Some of the people you have tried to attack are really genuine and helpful. Remember this place differs from most online forums in that many of us have met each other in meatspace and that we do regularly meet in meatspace rather than in Cyberspace.

The logical upshot of this is that you will probably meet someone who is respected at a KB event, your now infamous kneejerk will kick in and you'll have to contend with about 60 angry bikers.

At least wait until you've passed 1,000 posts before becoming abusive eh?

Oh, and by the way you don't actually need to sign your posts....we can all see it was you..:rofl:

keep on talking mate.

[sAsLEX]

When I'm splitting I check my mirrors ever 5-10 seconds depending on what's going on in front


Be careful checking your mirrors as it takes precious attention from in front and you have far less time to react when splitting.


even experienced drivers/riders get somewhat of a surprise, and NEWBIES get quite a shock.

Chopper says " HARDEN THE FUCK UP"


Bikes splitting is part of MW driving get over it or get off the MW. Hell we are all insanely sedate compared to some of the motorcycle commuting antics of bikes in Europe.

[Mikkel]

At least wait until you've passed 1,000 posts before becoming abusive eh?

Good points - except sometimes you wonder why people at 1000+ posts haven't realised that being constructive instead of abusive is more interesting...

But comeon - let's all admit that DB is good value. Decent entertainment at a low price. Whether it be the beers or... :yes:

Admit it - or this goes international!

[CookMySock]

Good points - except sometimes you wonder why people at 1000+ posts haven't realised that being constructive instead of abusive is more interesting...My guess is they are more interested in bashing someone who does not agree with them, rather than having a rational adult discussion.


But comeon - let's all admit that DB is good value. Decent entertainment at a low price. Whether it be the beers or... :yes: Admit it - or this goes international!haha - considering changing my nick to "International" ay.. :p

We are all entitled to our opinion. Sometimes I don't agree, sometimes they don't agree so HTFU !!

DB

[Patar]

Has anyone ever caught up to a bike infront only because the bike infront created the gap, then once he lets you past, he then catches up to you?

It's quite funny when you have two bikers leap frogging each other down the motorway :P

[surfchick]

i'm immature... i always try to reel in the rider in front. until i've been reeled in. then i reel back. and with my pipes you KNOW i'm behind you :)

[flyingcrocodile46]

I looked in this thread for an idea of the legality of lane splitting.

Instead, I found a bunch of opinionated twats, textually puffing their chests out while trying to best each other in a display of whiny arsed verbal bumjuice. (Shakes head)

Does anyone know (for a fact) if lane splitting is legal... Now my bike is registered the buggers can track me down and ticket me for passing them while lane splitting (if it is illegal)?

[Mikkel]

I looked in this thread for an idea of the legality of lane splitting.

Instead, I found a bunch of opinionated twats, textually puffing their chests out while trying to best each other in a display of whiny arsed verbal bumjuice. (Shakes head)

Does anyone know (for a fact) if lane splitting is legal... Now my bike is registered the buggers can track me down and ticket me for passing them while lane splitting (if it is illegal)?

This is just a petty flamewar - if you want anything constructive on lanesplitting do a search mate...

[Fatjim]

My guess is they are more interested in bashing someone who does not agree with them, rather than having a rational adult discussion.

haha - considering changing my nick to "International" ay.. :p

We are all entitled to our opinion. Sometimes I don't agree, sometimes they don't agree so HTFU !!

DB

Mate, I don't have a problem with your opinion, just would have helped if you got on the same wavelength as the rest of the thread. But it's sorted, and we've all moved on.


Grub, on the other hand, got the gist of the thread......

[ceebie13]

I looked in this thread for an idea of the legality of lane splitting.

....Instead, I found a bunch of opinionated twats, textually puffing their chests out while trying to best each other in a display of whiny arsed verbal bumjuice. (Shakes head)




yep, sadly that pretty much sums up KB on occasion. :yeah:

[flyingcrocodile46]

This is just a petty flamewar - if you want anything constructive on lanesplitting do a search mate...

Flamers ain't emo.... No! That was something else?

Have they by any chance lived in Horowhenua...
http://www.google.com/search?q=Horow...ient=firefox-a
... at some point in their lives or perhaps recently stopped there while passing through ?

I searched for "Lane splitting" and this ** Thread** was the first result. I'll try again.

[Luckylegs]

Flamers ain't emo.... No! That was something else?....

Understand your issue (to a point) but the title did specify Etiquette, not legality, there is a big difference.

I mean, no one ever got arrested (IE law) for standing at the wrong urinal but everyone knows etiquette dictates leaving a one urinal gap where possible.... :nono:

[BadCompany]

I looked in this thread for an idea of the legality of lane splitting.

Instead, I found a bunch of opinionated twats, textually puffing their chests out while trying to best each other in a display of whiny arsed verbal bumjuice. (Shakes head)

Does anyone know (for a fact) if lane splitting is legal... Now my bike is registered the buggers can track me down and ticket me for passing them while lane splitting (if it is illegal)?

I can give you a brief run down. Pictures would help, but its late, and I'm nackered.

Ok so, lane splitting to the cops is undertaking, which is illegal. Undertaking is when you pass a car on there left side in there own lane. Illegal. If you pass a car on the right, in there own lane, its overtaking. You can undertake only when traffic is at a stand still, such as a red light.

Well thats my understanding of it form when it was explained to me by a cop on a bike (I hate cops on bikes, way harder to get away from) who pulled me over.

[xwhatsit]

I can give you a brief run down. Pictures would help, but its late, and I'm nackered.

Ok so, lane splitting to the cops is undertaking, which is illegal. Undertaking is when you pass a car on there left side in there own lane. Illegal. If you pass a car on the right, in there own lane, its overtaking. You can undertake only when traffic is at a stand still, such as a red light.

Well thats my understanding of it form when it was explained to me by a cop on a bike (I hate cops on bikes, way harder to get away from) who pulled me over.

As far as I can work out, that's spot on.

I'll mention here that undertaking is perfectly legal -- provided you're either in a different lane (which we're not, we're in the same lane as the person we're undertaking), or they've got their indicator on, turning right into a side street or whatever; or if they're stationary.

[flyingcrocodile46]

I can give you a brief run down. Pictures would help, but its late, and I'm nackered.

Ok so, lane splitting to the cops is undertaking, which is illegal. Undertaking is when you pass a car on there left side in there own lane. Illegal. If you pass a car on the right, in there own lane, its overtaking. You can undertake only when traffic is at a stand still, such as a red light.

Well thats my understanding of it form when it was explained to me by a cop on a bike (I hate cops on bikes, way harder to get away from) who pulled me over.


As far as I can work out, that's spot on.

I'll mention here that undertaking is perfectly legal -- provided you're either in a different lane (which we're not, we're in the same lane as the person we're undertaking), or they've got their indicator on, turning right into a side street or whatever; or if they're stationary.

Thanks Guys.

I guess I'd be within the law when accidentally undertaking. If it was because a car that I was legally overtaking, drifted across to the right side of the lane as I was overtaking them, causing me to drift to the left side of the right hand lane. Your Honour. :innocent: