Making excuses

[Katman]

We, as motorcyclists, seem to have turned making excuses into some sort of art form. Time and time again the same ones are trundled out - "The prick didn't see me", "Bloody patch of diesel", "I never really did like those tyres", "They need to fix that bloody bump in the road" - when in fact, 9 times out of 10 if we're honest with ourselves, our accidents come down to outriding the prevailing conditions at the time and/or our ability.

And to those who keep coming out with - "you weren't there, you don't know what happened", there's a saying that goes along the lines of - If it looks like shit, feels like shit and smells like shit there's probably no need to lick your finger.

[Trudes]

Repost:rolleyes:

[scumdog]

Meh, it's the Kiwi way dontchaknow?

[MSTRS]

Well, you'd know K...always sticking your finger where it doesn't belong

[James Deuce]

I've had one accident where I was like Sean. Unconscious, required repeated resus on site and in transit and to this day the only memory I have of what was apparently a lovely trip to Christchurch with my wife was waving to the chump's wife as I flew over the bonnet after he ran a stop sign.

The rest of my accidents I can tell you exactly what I did wrong. Right down to having a spousal scrap before going out the door.

If you haven't had a head injury with long term repercussions then you don't know what you're talking about. I think you are out of line with your comments about Sean's accident.

[Usarka]

If you truly intend to make this your own personal crusade i suggest you study some psychology. Approaching it from a less "confrontational" angle might mean you'll end up on less ignore lists and not alienate those that might be allies.....

[R6_kid]

I fully agree - if my tyres weren't so f00ked, i havent been on a bike for ages, im not wearing all my gear, my suspension isn't right...

just htfu and keep up already! :whistle:

[yungatart]

I blame the gubbmint, they outlawed personal responsibility and turned the blame game into an art form.

[sugilite]

I'll let you in on a secret Katman, get any group of people together and you will find some blame their misfortunes on others, and some don't, it's not just a motorcycling thing. Here is another, when you try to inflict your will in a inflammatory manner upon others, many will not like it and push back, it's a natural human response.

Thanks to your other thread people are now talking about timing themselves around the loop. I've been on one kb ride around the loop and I've seen the huge amount of traffic. The thought of people pushing their limits to do a fast time (may well likely lead to a death, or two) greatly saddens me. I wonder if you would take any small part of responcibility if that happened, or would you start another sanctimonious soap box thread?

As for your psychic abilities on knowing the circumstances of other people crash details, lets look at your charming analogy shall we.... "if it looks like shit, feels like shit and smells like shit there's probably no need to lick your finger". You actually need to be in the presence of shit to either, smell it, look at it, feel it and indeed taste it. I know there are those on this forum that would like to suggest you eat shit, I just suggest that "shit can and does happen"

Safety messages are a good thing, they will sink in deeper presented in a informative non soapbox manner, IMHO.

[Katman]

Safety messages are a good thing, they will sink in deeper presented in a informative non soapbox manner, IMHO.

I disagree. I've always believed if you want to make a small change - make a big noise.

(I'll let you in on a secret - the meek actually aren't going to inherit the earth).:msn-wink:

[crazefox]

I've had one accident where I was like Sean. Unconscious, required repeated resus on site and in transit and to this day the only memory I have of what was apparently a lovely trip to Christchurch with my wife was waving to the chump's wife as I flew over the bonnet after he ran a stop sign.

The rest of my accidents I can tell you exactly what I did wrong. Right down to having a spousal scrap before going out the door.

If you haven't had a head injury with long term repercussions then you don't know what you're talking about. I think you are out of line with your comments about Sean's accident.


I agree with you Jim.So shut the F##K up K man

[Usarka]

If you haven't had a head injury with long term repercussions then you don't know what you're talking about. I think you are out of line with your comments about Sean's accident.
+1 I'm missing a number of months. Crackman - another example of pissing off the people you are purporting to help.


I disagree. I've always believed if you want to make a small change - make a big noise.

(I'll let you in on a secret - the meek really aren't going to inherit the earth).:msn-wink:
woohoo :first: on my ignore list :msn-wink:

make as much noise as you like, go on knock yourself out(and see if you remember it).....

[onearmedbandit]

My list of accidents include:

Hit some ice on the open road on a moderate right hand turn. My fault, even though I couldn't see the ice I knew it was cold enough to be dangerous. Too fast for the conditions.

Lost the front going over a white line in town. My fault, was young and dumb and going to fast for the conditions.

Lost the front in a very tight left hand hairpin on the hills. My fault, even though my sidestand dug into the road and lifted the bike off the road, too fast for the conditions.

Highsided in a tight right hairpin on the hills on a negative camber decreasing radius corner. My fault again, too fast, the road is not a racetrack.

This one was on the racetrack, highsided out of a right hander on the thou. My fault again, tyres were cold and I gave it too much gas while cranked over.

See skatman, not all of us (despite what you may think of me) blame other circumstances for our accidents. In fact one could almost take blame for anything that happens in our lives, as we are in control of our own destiny. So while your post has a very good point, once again your delivery and generalisations (and accusations in regards to Skelstars accident) leave a lot to be desired. But then you are the perfect motorcyclist are you not?

[crazefox]

My list of accidents include:

Hit some ice on the open road on a moderate right hand turn. My fault, even though I couldn't see the ice I knew it was cold enough to be dangerous. Too fast for the conditions.

Lost the front going over a white line in town. My fault, was young and dumb and going to fast for the conditions.

Lost the front in a very tight left hand hairpin on the hills. My fault, even though my sidestand dug into the road and lifted the bike off the road, too fast for the conditions.

Highsided in a tight right hairpin on the hills on a negative camber decreasing radius corner. My fault again, too fast, the road is not a racetrack.

This one was on the racetrack, highsided out of a right hander on the thou. My fault again, tyres were cold and I gave it too much gas while cranked over.

See skatman, not all of us (despite what you may think of me) blame other circumstances for our accidents. In fact one could almost take blame for anything that happens in our lives, as we are in control of our own destiny. So while your post has a very good point, once again your delivery and generalisations (and accusations in regards to Skelstars accident) leave a lot to be desired. But then you are the perfect motorcyclist are you not?

Awsome call mate.:jerry::jerry::jerry::jerry::crybaby::crybaby ::crybaby::crybaby::crybaby:

[Kittyhawk]

I was following too close in a corner, truck came round a corner too fast chick in front stopped suddenly, I had no choice but to ride off road and lay it down.

The rest, well its all part of moto x and endurance riding :yes:

[koba]

Ive crashed Twice on the road.
Both involved outside factor I had no control over.
However both times If I had reacted differently the outcome would have been better for me. (altho not nesseserraly for others!)

Accidents usually come about as a result of more than one thing going wrong, that is why even when we leave a good saftey margin in out riding things can still go pearshaped VERY quickly.
More reason to be ever vigilant but don't make the mistake of thinking that alone will protect you!

Jim Is right about your comments on seans accident, I have woken up to find myself playing oin a rugby field before. I remember the last quarter of the game but apparently I took a Big knock in the first 3 miniutes!
I don't remember even arriving at the game or for a good 3 hours before the knock. Head injuries are funny things and really do fuck with your memory pretty bad.
Sean had a knock FAR bigger than mine so if you doubt that had any major effect get a sledge hammer and have a go at it yourself.

[MSTRS]

But then you are the perfect motorcyclist are you not?

So he would have us believe. Essentially, he rides with nobody round these parts, so where is the proof that he is a paragon of motorcycling virtue??
Just cos I claim that Whitetrash is a pussy on wheels and I can give him the learn, doesn't make it true.

[MSTRS]

... if you doubt that had any major effect get a sledge hammer and have a go at it yourself.

There's a few round here that will happily help him with that

[Fatjim]

We, as motorcyclists, seem to have turned making excuses into some sort of art form. Time and time again the same ones are trundled out - "The prick didn't see me", "Bloody patch of diesel", "I never really did like those tyres", "They need to fix that bloody bump in the road" - when in fact, 9 times out of 10 if we're honest with ourselves, our accidents come down to outriding the prevailing conditions at the time and/or our ability.

And to those who keep coming out with - "you weren't there, you don't know what happened", there's a saying that goes along the lines of - If it looks like shit, feels like shit and smells like shit there's probably no need to lick your finger.


Blah blah blah blah blah

[BIGBOSSMAN]

Kat, to suggest that the accident I had where a woman made an unsignalled U-turn in front of me (riding at 50K legally) giving me 5m to stop is somehow down to 'bad rider judgement' is just plain daft.
I had a year off work, couldn't continue my chosen career and still have leg/hip problems to this day.
Likewise when I applied my front brake at an intersection in New Lynn back in the '80's and didn't see the fine film of diesel on the road. A low speed bin and hardly any damage, but it wasn't rider error either.
Like Don Quixote, your sentiments are reasonable noble and well intentioned (I think) but sadly far from the truth in reality.

[Katman]

And on an interesting sidenote - in the last 24 hours I have received 10 greens and 1 red (but Boob's my Kiwibiker Stalker so his doesn't count :msn-wink:) and there's some interesting names amongst them.

I'm not living in quite the land of delusion that some of you would like to suggest.

[Trudes]

I actually agree in theory to what you're saying Katman, once you are an adult and able to make your own choices about what you do you also have to take responsiblity for the consequences of those choices. However as adults, none of us like to be treated like children and told what and how to do things constantly, and some things are out of your personal control.

[CHOPPA]

I ran out of excuses years ago.... 'Oops' works just fine now! oh that and a dog ran across the road :rolleyes:

[Mikkel]

I know there are those on this forum that would like to suggest you eat shit, I just suggest that "shit can and does happen"

I agree - except I say "given enough time, shit WILL happen!"


And on an interesting sidenote - in the last 24 hours I have received 10 greens and 1 red (but Boob's my Kiwibiker Stalker so his doesn't count :msn-wink:) and there's some interesting names amongst them.

:clap: We'll all just be quiet now, obviously all the green rep suggest that you're 10/11 right and only 1/11 wrong!

FFS mate, what's next? Going to use your post count to prove you got it right?

:tugger:

While I agree that some people make up bogus explanations about the cause of their fuck-ups I agree with those that suggest that is not only applicable to motorcycling. Quite frankly it's human nature - being honest with yourself takes a lot of courage. Only problem with not accepting a modicum of responsibility for your mishaps is that you won't learn from them.

[Katman]

:clap: We'll all just be quiet now, obviously all the green rep suggest that you're 10/11 right and only 1/11 wrong!

FFS mate, what's next? Going to use your post count to prove you got it right?



Didn't you read my post? I said Boob's doesn't count.:msn-wink:

And I think you know exactly the point I was making with my comment about the rep.

[zeocen]

Katman, this thread insults me.

I had a semi-major off 2 days after Christmas last year, and it *was* caused by a rogue patch of gravel. Did I stop the complaint there? NO. I then went to discuss how I could have avoided it and what I had done wrong, if I had refined my basics I probably could have lessened the damage done. Finally ending up with how I can improve bad situations like that when I get back on a motorcycle.

To lump the people who actively strive every damn day they get on a motorcycle to become a better rider, with the few who decide to live their life with a track mentality is truly insulting.

And although you may seem to think you are on a one man crusade to cure the world, you're not, there are a million of you who do the exact same whinging and moaning and going about it the entirely wrong way. Everything you say is usually true, but you don't have to be such a fucking 'holier than thou' git about it because of the people who have come off on bikes, not ONE person has blamed it entirely on the bike, if they are to blame the bike it is usually followed with "but it did that because I didn't do this.."

You are getting less respect than you feel you deserve because you are being a cock in the faces of peoples passion. You can still get the message across in a timid, friendly manor, you know.

Lighten the fuck up.

[Katman]

"Rogue patch of gravel.":lol:

What, did it jump out at you?

[Matt Bleck]

Wonder what your parents excuse would be......

[BIGBOSSMAN]

Katman, there's a place for you here - hurry to the airport, you may get a standby flight to London...

[onearmedbandit]

And on an interesting sidenote - in the last 24 hours I have received 10 greens and 1 red (but Boob's my Kiwibiker Stalker so his doesn't count :msn-wink:) and there's some interesting names amongst them.

I'm not living in quite the land of delusion that some of you would like to suggest.

What is even more interesting is that these people choose not to support you in the open forums.

[edit] I had a look at your profile, I see you got 6 green reps for your 'treating the road as a racetrack' thread, that's understandable, I think most of us recognise double standards, even within ourselves. You also got 3 for your 'making excuses' thread, once again completely understandable and valid, as too many people (note *people*) are too quick to blame others when they themselves hold the key to their survival. So yes, you got green rep for some valid comments, well done. However when others get similar or even higher amounts of green rep you can usually see it continue onto the forums. However it seems that where ever you go there is the opposite. And a lot of these comments are coming from riders who have been on bikes for years and are very 'smart' riders. Myself included.

[Lissa]

And on an interesting sidenote - in the last 24 hours I have received 10 greens and 1 red (but Boob's my Kiwibiker Stalker so his doesn't count :msn-wink:) and there's some interesting names amongst them.

I'm not living in quite the land of delusion that some of you would like to suggest.

You might actually find that the people who want to red rep you dont because that means what you are saying is of some importance... I think you are a dick, but not going to red rep you to tell you, most will just ignore you like you deserve.

As for Seans accident, I dont think he or anyone needs to defend the fact that they cant remember. You werent there in the ICU room when we were told he might die, the reason for the accident was less important. I think anyone who has had a major accident would like to know the reason for it, but that is something they will need to work out and deal with if they cant remember, and doesnt have to be discussed by people who will not gain from knowing this. Saying that people choose to not remember an accident because it was their fault is a little narrow minded... and absolutely disrespectful.

[zeocen]

"Rogue patch of gravel.":lol:

What, did it jump out at you?

Wow, you really like to just disregard constructive critisism and thought in posts, and focus on the novelties. Well done, your campaign is going to go nowhere, infact I'm pretty much certain what you're doing is a joke and you know it if you aren't even willing to listen to the people who ARE bettering themselves as riders.

FYI - it was my first crash, the gravel was stretching from the ditch past the center line on a corner. I don't anticipate another bin any time soon, going by my fathers record which is 36 years without a bin, I have a solid chance ahead of me.

You are a prime specimen for not crashing though, I mean it's pretty hard to crash when you are never riding, is it?

Cock.

[Mikkel]

Didn't you read my post? I said Boob's doesn't count.:msn-wink:

That is hilarious and I would have blinged you for it. Except the green dots seems to get to your head...

[kiwifruit]

We, as motorcyclists,

keen on a ride after 5pm? :)

[Deano]

And on an interesting sidenote - in the last 24 hours I have received 10 greens and 1 red (but Boob's my Kiwibiker Stalker so his doesn't count :msn-wink:) and there's some interesting names amongst them.

I'm not living in quite the land of delusion that some of you would like to suggest.

Make that 2 reds now. :whistle:

[Katman]

keen on a ride after 5pm? :)

Sorry, gotta wash my hair.:msn-wink:




(Whoops, was that an excuse?)
:rolleyes:

[kiwifruit]

Sorry, gotta wash my hair.:msn-wink:

(Whoops, was that an excuse?)
:rolleyes:

:(
how bout after 6pm?

[sugilite]

And on an interesting sidenote - in the last 24 hours I have received 10 greens and 1 red.

Read this well considered and well written post on safety, it got twenty green, (as against your 6 thus far) and will prob get more from people checking out the link from this post.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1379361&postcount=33


I disagree. I've always believed if you want to make a small change - make a big noise.


Agreed, if you only want to make a small change, make a big noise. However, if you sincerely want to make a large everlasting change, a big noise and small mind approach just won't cut it.

[FROSTY]

Katman why do ya keep doing it?
It seems to me over and over again that the message you are trying to get across is a good one. Yet again and again you seem to find a way to say it in as abrasive a way as you possibly can.
I guess it does get attention but there are other ways of getting the message across

[Edbear]

Well, once again, Katman has a point, but could have couched it a bit better and in a more balanced way.

It does seem that some always have an excuse as to why it's not their fault, but of course that's not always the case as others have capably pointed out.

My sum total of bike "accidents" are dropping the T500 while trying to negotiate my way up a wet clay farm driveway at about less than walking pace. Those old "pleasure-ribbed" fronts weren't really designed for those conditions, but my future wife was at the top of that driveway and I really wanted to get up there...(The DRIVEWAY, people..!)

Second was in moving off at an interesection, again in the wet as a car approached at a speed where I didn't think he was going to stop on his red light, so grabbed the front brake- I hadn't quite got my feet up on the pegs, and again the front slipped and I dropped the poor old T500 again.

Apart from those, I have been riding since I was 12 without incident. However I am VERY aware that there have been a few times I could have been killed or hurt through either my own fault or the fault of the other driver. I'm not a believer in luck, but I do feel I have been "lucky" at times if you get my point.

I do hope Skels gets to remember what happened and he can then enlighten us, but as with the SH16 incident I prefer to reserve judgement until the facts are known.

[Katman]

:(
how bout after 6pm?

Nails.:msn-wink:

[kiwifruit]

*sniff*

fine! :(

[MSTRS]

It should be obvious to all, that Katman does not ride (with anyone else), meaning he can come on here posing as an obnoxious, sanctimonious , know-it-all and never be called out over observed actions. No credibility = no respect = no message.

[dipshit]

It should be obvious to all, that Katman does not ride (with anyone else), meaning he can come on here posing as an obnoxious, sanctimonious , know-it-all and never be called out over observed actions. No credibility = no respect = no message.

Any excuse to cop out, a?

[avgas]

yep the world is a lovely place when you use and excuse for every fuck up you do.
i gave up on it a while ago - i think its called growing up. If a crash happens there is a high chance its partly my fault cos i didnt leave enough room for the world to fuck up around me.

[avgas]

Katman, there's a place for you here - hurry to the airport, you may get a standby flight to London...
I dont get your photo - where is the noose?

[avgas]

I had a semi-major off 2 days after Christmas last year, and it *was* caused by a rogue patch of gravel. Did I stop the complaint there? NO. I then went to discuss how I could have avoided it and what I had done wrong, if I had refined my basics I probably could have lessened the damage done. Finally ending up with how I can improve bad situations like that when I get back on a motorcycle.
Um just a point here, im sure your a nice, smart person.
But per chance did you go back out to the spot with a broom and remove the issue.....incase others should fall into the same trap.
As i have frequently seen such traps, pulled over and rectified the problem rather than talked about it. You are right in the aspect that Transit dont give a toss about their jobs - but what makes your think that if you complain to anyone that it will change their view?

[Maha]

Katman is having the best time thanks to every that gets caught up in his threads and posts. Can none of you see this unfolding before you? Its classic stirring on the highest level, he may not totally beleive himself in what he posts half the time, but that doesn't matter, he knows which buttons to push and, push them he does!
He could get a job in marketing and be very very successful at it. He knows how to draw people in and make a sale, even if you dont want it.

[onearmedbandit]

Was thinking about this earlier, and completely agree. However, I'm unemployed at the moment, the weather is shite, I've got time to kill and he's a bit of fun to play with, like a kitten with a ball of wool.

[jrandom]

Sorry, gotta wash my hair.

You know, I'm calling you out on this one.

If you never ride with other KBers, you're not a fully-fledged member of the forum, simple as that. I'd say that that's understood well enough around here that's it's more than an unwritten rule.

To be honest, I'm guessing you can barely get that bike of yours around corners, and you can't bear the mockery you'd receive from anyone here who can ride a motorcycle if they saw you struggling along the road.

You appear to be little more than a sad old man who talks the talk but has a lot of difficulty walking any walks.

Here's a deal for you - come out for a ride sometime soon. You don't have to come to me; I'll come to you.

If you impress me with your safe display of riding ability, I'll start publicly backing your positions, in spite of your mostly-distasteful presentation of them.

If my suspicions that you're an unskilled limpdick with a bad attitude are confirmed, you can expect an increase in mockery.

Man or mouse, Katman?

[CookMySock]

yep the world is a lovely place when you use and excuse for every fuck up you do.
i gave up on it a while ago - i think its called growing up. If a crash happens there is a high chance its partly my fault cos i didnt leave enough room for the world to fuck up around me.Exactly.

Not directed at any person. At all. ok? Thanks.

The bottom line is, no one has control over your life, except you. No patch of gravel, strip of diesel, or shitty tire can determine your destiny. Take control, and take ownership, and understand that it's all you. Now take a look at a new world where you are in control, not dictated to by circumstance.

DB

[onearmedbandit]

You know, I'm calling you out on this one.



Man or mouse, Katman?

:jerry::jerry::jerry::jerry:

I too will be interested in this. However even if he does prove himself I still believe his method of delivery is killing anything he posts.

[Katman]

You know, I'm calling you out on this one.

If you never ride with other KBers, you're not a fully-fledged member of the forum, simple as that. I'd say that that's understood well enough around here that's it's more than an unwritten rule.

To be honest, I'm guessing you can barely get that bike of yours around corners, and you can't bear the mockery you'd receive from anyone here who can ride a motorcycle if they saw you struggling along the road.

You appear to be little more than a sad old man who talks the talk but has a lot of difficulty walking any walks.

Here's a deal for you - come out for a ride sometime soon. You don't have to come to me; I'll come to you.

If you impress me with your safe display of riding ability, I'll start publicly backing your positions, in spite of your mostly-distasteful presentation of them.

If my suspicions that you're an unskilled limpdick with a bad attitude are confirmed, you can expect an increase in mockery.

Man or mouse, Katman?

That's gotta be the lamest fucking post I have ever read.

[Badjelly]

If you never ride with other KBers, you're not a fully-fledged member of the forum, simple as that. I'd say that that's understood well enough around here that's it's more than an unwritten rule.

It's a new one to me.

[yungatart]

keen on a ride after 5pm? :)



Sorry, gotta wash my hair.:msn-wink::rolleyes:



:(
how bout after 6pm?



Nails.:msn-wink:


What next? Bikini line wax??

Pot...kettle...black.
Or, in other words...you're a hypocrite of the worst order!

[jrandom]

That's gotta be the lamest fucking post I have ever read.

How on earth is it lame to challenge you to come out for a ride and prove that you know what you're talking about?

[jrandom]

It's a new one to me.

You'll get it once you do start riding with others, if you don't already. It does add quite a significant dimension to the KB Experience (tm).

:niceone:

[Badjelly]

That's gotta be the lamest fucking post I have ever read.

It's a worthy attempt, but he loses points for failing to criticise your bike.

[Deano]

That's gotta be the lamest fucking post I have ever read.

Cause you've been owned ?

[zeocen]

Um just a point here, im sure your a nice, smart person.
But per chance did you go back out to the spot with a broom and remove the issue.....incase others should fall into the same trap.
As i have frequently seen such traps, pulled over and rectified the problem rather than talked about it. You are right in the aspect that Transit dont give a toss about their jobs - but what makes your think that if you complain to anyone that it will change their view?

No, not by me, I was in hospital (and yes, I did admit fault of my own riding skill, if you read my post of my bin you'll find I admit fault immediately, I was inexperienced to handle such a situation and shouldn't have been in that situation to begin with). My father went to pick up my bike and cleared the road. Much like I do when I see potential hazards on the road, I pull over in a safe area, go back and clear the road and usually make a post about it on KB if it's a potential biker hazard, I'm sure a search will come up with at least one scenario of this.

I didn't even say anything about Transit giving a toss about their jobs, where is this coming from? And where was the complaining coming from? I certainly don't think it would change their view, I would take a proactive approach and help out with such places as RRRS and get involved with the public and local mayor re. roads, rather than knowingly spout shit on a forum expecting praise for my fake heroism of making the roads safe via the internet.

So yeah, not quite sure where you were going with your comments, seeing as I didn't actually say over half the stuff you ended up talking about?

[Katman]

How on earth is it lame to challenge you to come out for a ride and prove that you know what you're talking about?

Next you'll be asking me to measure my cock.

Cock.

[jrandom]

... he loses points for failing to criticise your bike.

I'll never diss any man's bike.

Two wheels move the soul...

[Usarka]

That's gotta be the lamest fucking post I have ever read.
**warning**warning** cred-ometer^(TM) falling past critical levels....***abort***abort***abort***

[dipshit]

How on earth is it lame to challenge you to come out for a ride and prove that you know what you're talking about?

Because it is wank.

[Badjelly]

Cause you've been owned ?

Translation, please!

[Ixion]

Mr Randon and Mr Katman measured each other's cocks, and Mr Deano reckons Mr Randon's is bigger. I think. Or summut.

[jrandom]

Because it is wank.

u r<tencharacters>

[Deano]

Translation, please!

JRandom is asking Katman to go out for a ride and demonstrate his superior riding knowledge/safety skills call it what you will, in order to back up what he spouts on about on KB.

Katman has declined......:shutup: What does that tell you about the guy ?

His credibility has been called into question and he isn't backing it up. Pretty simple. It seems Usarka got it.

[Hahn]

So... Katman,

... this thread could have had a positive outcome but it seems thats not what you were after.


Were you actually trying to make a point? or just starting a shitfight? :argue:

[Maha]

This is funny as hell...I have subscribed to the thread, I cant miss any of it, wheres the popcorn???...:corn:
There will be no winners, there will be no losers...
Everyone will go away thinking they are right.......... and then it will start all over again in another thread in a few weeks time...hopefully!..;)

[dipshit]

Exactly.

The bottom line is, no one has control over your life, except you. No patch of gravel, strip of diesel, or shitty tire can determine your destiny. Take control, and take ownership, and understand that it's all you. Now take a look at a new world where you are in control, not dictated to by circumstance.



Exactly x 2

From the moment you push your bike out of the shed... *YOU* are in control of it. It won't do anything you don't make it do. You managed to ride down your driveway covered with ruts and gravel, right? Now the road with the occasional bump and patch of gravel should be even easier than that. The determining factor is what *you* do with your bike. Half a dozen motorcyclists have already ridden over the same bit of road you are about to go over this morning. They all managed to keep the rubber side down. So can you if you make that your number one priority.

[yungatart]

Weeks?? You're hopeful.
It'll prolly start again in a matter of days!

[Badjelly]

JRandom is asking Katman to go out for a ride and demonstrate his superior riding knowledge/safety skills call it what you will, in order to back up what he spouts on about on KB.

Yeah, I got that, I was just asking what "you've been owned" means.


Katman has declined......:shutup: What does that tell you about the guy?

He recognises bluster when he sees it?

I've never been on a ride with other KBers. I may do so in future, but I haven't managed to make the time yet, plus I'm pretty paranoid about how other road users behave around me. (In the past when I've ridden with friends, we've tended to travel separately and meet up at pre-arranged points.) Anyway, if someone says to me, "Come for a ride sometime", I'll be tempted, but "Come for a ride and prove yourself", no thanks!

[Maha]

Weeks?? You're hopeful.
It'll prolly start again in a matter of days!

Or in the early hours of tomorrow morning, someone will wake up with something "stunning" to say ( even if it was only in their dream for a short while ) and post it.

[BIGBOSSMAN]

Next you'll be asking me to measure my cock.

Cock.

How tall are you, Katman :Pokey:?

[Maha]

but "Come for a ride and prove yourself", no thanks!

Not alot to prove on a Scorpio though is there?... be realistic.

[jrandom]

if someone says to me, "Come for a ride sometime", I'll be tempted...

OK bro, come for a ride sometime!

:hug:

[Maha]

OK bro, come for a ride sometime!

:hug:

Bling awarded.....thats sooooooooo diplomatic and sweet...isn't it?...:hug:

[kiwifruit]

lets ALL go for a ride :blank:

[Str8 Jacket]

lets ALL go for a ride :blank:

Giggidy giggidy!! :buggerd:

[BIGBOSSMAN]

Would love to, after I get me hair done, legs waxed and nails clipped...

[Badjelly]

OK bro, come for a ride sometime!
:hug:

1) Where the f**k is Niflheim?

2) You do know that the Scorpio's not all that fast, don't you?

[Str8 Jacket]

1) Where the f**k is Niflheim?

2) You do know that the Scorpio's not all that fast, don't you?

Fast is not always better and a ride is a ride!....

[jrandom]

Where the f**k is Niflheim?

I live in Auckland, but I tend to ride to Wellywood a few times each year. I'll be sure to include you in my plans for some cruisin' next time I'm down, if you're keen.

I've still never ridden the Wainui coast road, you know.

:niceone:


You do know that the Scorpio's not all that fast, don't you?

It's not always about the speed. Scorpios are cool.

How far off your full licence are you? We could swap bikes if you're legal on mine and you trust me with yours...

[Ixion]

Not alot to prove on a Scorpio though is there?... be realistic.

Dunno about that. A small bike is more of a test of a rider than a big one.

Anyone can ride a big bike fast, y'just have to tweak the throttle a bit more

But riding a small bike means extracting every bit of speed the bike can give. A big bike rider can afford to be shit through the corners, he can easily make it up on the exit (not talking race tracks here, mind). The small bike rider doesn't have that luxury, he needs to conserve every bit of speed he can through the corner, momentum is precious.

Similarly with overtaking, the big bike rider can just blast past, the small bike rider must time things carefully, gain every advantage he can from slipstream and run in, reduce his wind resistance to a minimum, and plot a line which minimises speed loss.

Riding a small bike fast takes far more skill than riding a big one.

[jrandom]

Fast is not always better and a ride is a ride!....

Yeah, what the leggy blonde said.

[BIGBOSSMAN]

Dunno about that. A small bike is more of a test of a rider than a big one.

Anyone can ride a big bike fast, y'just have to tweak the throttle a bit more

Riding a small bike fast takes far more skill than riding a big one.

Katman would understand this, the same analogy can be used for his obviously small cock.

[Katman]

Katman would understand this, the same analogy can be used for his obviously small cock.

I suppose you want me to get the ruler out now?:msn-wink:

[Maha]

Anyone can ride a big bike fast


I cant!....I need help with anything over 400 CC.....:crybaby:

[kiwifruit]

Yeah, what the leggy blonde said.

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[Badjelly]

I live in Auckland, but I tend to ride to Wellywood a few times each year. I'll be sure to include you in my plans for some cruisin' next time I'm down, if you're keen.

Thank you. That's a definite maybe from me. :wari:


I've still never ridden the Wainui coast road, you know.

Great road.


It's not always about the speed. Scorpios are cool.

Definitely, I'm a great fan, but they do have their limits.


How far off your full licence are you? We could swap bikes if you're legal on mine and you trust me with yours...

I've had my full license since 1973. (You may wish to readjust your mental image of me at this point.)

[onearmedbandit]

Dunno about that. A small bike is more of a test of a rider than a big one.

Anyone can ride a big bike fast, y'just have to tweak the throttle a bit more

But riding a small bike means extracting every bit of speed the bike can give. A big bike rider can afford to be shit through the corners, he can easily make it up on the exit (not talking race tracks here, mind). The small bike rider doesn't have that luxury, he needs to conserve every bit of speed he can through the corner, momentum is precious.

Similarly with overtaking, the big bike rider can just blast past, the small bike rider must time things carefully, gain every advantage he can from slipstream and run in, reduce his wind resistance to a minimum, and plot a line which minimises speed loss.

Riding a small bike fast takes far more skill than riding a big one.

It's all relative. Two big bikes racing each other have to be doing the same, but with a lot more throttle finesse. So it could be argued that riding a big bike fast requires more skill. I've owned small bikes, medium bikes and big bikes. The big bikes take more skill to ride at the top limit then smaller ones. You can get away with a lot more on a smaller bike.

[T.W.R]

Dunno about that. A small bike is more of a test of a rider than a big one.

Anyone can ride a big bike fast, y'just have to tweak the throttle a bit more

But riding a small bike means extracting every bit of speed the bike can give. A big bike rider can afford to be shit through the corners, he can easily make it up on the exit (not talking race tracks here, mind). The small bike rider doesn't have that luxury, he needs to conserve every bit of speed he can through the corner, momentum is precious.

Similarly with overtaking, the big bike rider can just blast past, the small bike rider must time things carefully, gain every advantage he can from slipstream and run in, reduce his wind resistance to a minimum, and plot a line which minimises speed loss.

Riding a small bike fast takes far more skill than riding a big one.


6 pages of bollocks, dribble, & :girlfight: and in amongst it all 1 post of truth :cool:

[enigma51]

Vid

Thanks TVNZ you had the ability to be part of a great show and you gave it to the Yanks


Got to love the concords!

[BIGBOSSMAN]

6 pages of bollocks, dribble, & :girlfight: and in amongst it all 1 post of truth :cool:

Bollocks dribble? Spunk!
Anyway, riding a small capacity bike is tricky if you're trying to go fast and keep it 'on the pipe', especially 2 strokes.
But one twist of the throttle on, say a Gixxer thou and you'll possibly end up in a whole heap of trouble.
So I agree with onearmedbandit on this one.

[Badjelly]

Thread successfully derailed. My work here is done.

Sorry, Katman, but your original complaint about riders making excuses was never going to go anywhere useful, was it?

[avgas]

I would take a proactive approach and help out with such places as RRRS and get involved with the public and local mayor re. roads, rather than knowingly spout shit on a forum expecting praise for my fake heroism of making the roads safe via the internet.
Wow your right, sorry i miss read your post.
Mabey we should start a forum to discuss issues with the road, an agm, leaflets, lets all have a chat about it and feel better.
See my point.
I am truly sorry as i'm not being critical to you, and by the sounds of things you know what went wrong.
But if you admitted fault.......why do you dissagree with Katmans post? All he is saying is excuses are bullshit - you state that gravel caused the fall, now you state that you were also at fault? I am confused.
Just to clear something up - when the bike went down, who was riding it? Did anything crash into you?
Or you can blame god, i hear he makes gravel.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Dunno about that. A small bike is more of a test of a rider than a big one.

Anyone can ride a big bike fast, y'just have to tweak the throttle a bit more

But riding a small bike means extracting every bit of speed the bike can give. A big bike rider can afford to be shit through the corners, he can easily make it up on the exit (not talking race tracks here, mind). The small bike rider doesn't have that luxury, he needs to conserve every bit of speed he can through the corner, momentum is precious.

Similarly with overtaking, the big bike rider can just blast past, the small bike rider must time things carefully, gain every advantage he can from slipstream and run in, reduce his wind resistance to a minimum, and plot a line which minimises speed loss.

Riding a small bike fast takes far more skill than riding a big one.

WRONG.

I used to race 125 moto-x and was way faster doing so on my 125 than I was when I went to a 500. The extra power is way harder to use. As it is with road race (or road going bikes) bikes. Notice how most 250 guys used to struggle with the 500's? More power and more weight more often than not make people slower.

[jrandom]

I've had my full license since 1973. (You may wish to readjust your mental image of me at this point.)

*readjusts mental image of Badjelly from stroppy teenager to grumpy curmudgeon*

Excellent, a bike swap ride down the Wainui coast road it is then.

I'll be in touch in due course.

:sunny:

[Maha]

Yay post 100...........:jerry:

[zeocen]

Wow your right, sorry i miss read your post.
Mabey we should start a forum to discuss issues with the road, an agm, leaflets, lets all have a chat about it and feel better.
See my point.
I am truly sorry as i'm not being critical to you, and by the sounds of things you know what went wrong.
But if you admitted fault.......why do you dissagree with Katmans post? All he is saying is excuses are bullshit - you state that gravel caused the fall, now you state that you were also at fault? I am confused.
Just to clear something up - when the bike went down, who was riding it? Did anything crash into you?
Or you can blame god, i hear he makes gravel.

I am saying he a) goes about it the wrong way (I've already said ways he could go about it, and that I agree with what he says just not how he presents it, keep up.) or b) is doing it as a piss take to get a rise out of people. I'm leaning more towards B at this point.

I'm saying it was because of gravel, that I fell, had I refined my basics and given myself room for improvement I could have either corrected my mistakes after hitting it or missed it alltogether.

Your sarcastic quips aren't becomming, I'm beginning to agree with Maha Man, so out I go of this argument, feel free to quote me and make some more sarcastic flings, they're great mate! The only worth this thread has now is setting up rides for jrandom and BadJelly (ps, can I come!?).

[Bonez]

DON'T FEED THE TROLL I've had two incidents involving cars whilst I was riding in built up areas doing the speed limit or less. One failed to stop at a stop sign and one t-boned me. Absolutely no way I could have avoided either.
The police, insurance companies and the vehical drivers agreed with me.

Seem someone needs to get there head out of their anal cavity. :msn-wink:

[Katman]

You can still get the message across in a timid, friendly manor, you know.


What? Like this?

Fuck that.

[T.W.R]

Bollocks dribble? Spunk!
Anyway, riding a small capacity bike is tricky if you're trying to go fast and keep it 'on the pipe', especially 2 strokes.
But one twist of the throttle on, say a Gixxer thou and you'll possibly end up in a whole heap of trouble.
So I agree with onearmedbandit on this one.

Most of the posts have been like bantam roosters ruffling their feathers at each other

There's far more entertainment and enjoyment riding a smaller capacity machine at 7/10 and beyond more consistently than riding a litre plus machine at 5/10 - 8/10 on the odd occasion.
Doesn't matter what size a bike is they'll all get you into trouble one way or another

[kiwifruit]

What? Like this?

Fuck that.

your hair can wait, lets go for a ride!

[Katman]

your hair can wait, lets go for a ride!

Too late. Soap in my eyes.:msn-wink:

[jrandom]

The only worth this thread has now is setting up rides for jrandom and BadJelly (ps, can I come!?).

Actually, I think I'll do a 'Badjelly's Inaugural KB Ride' thread in 'Meetings and Events' when the time comes.

:niceone:

[ceebie13]

And on an interesting sidenote - in the last 24 hours I have received 10 greens and 1 red (but Boob's my Kiwibiker Stalker so his doesn't count :msn-wink:) and there's some interesting names amongst them.

I'm not living in quite the land of delusion that some of you would like to suggest.

I'd suggest that this happens to us all, Katman.

One could be forgiven for suggesting that there are double standards and hypocricy all over KB. I for one have been accused of it. I don't mind, after all, people have a right to tell me what they think of me or what I say in the same way that I have a right to voice my thoughts. It's just a shame that more often than not, the language involved in dressing me down for daring to speak out is usually somewhat lacking and un-constructive.

However, my point is that it is disappointing when people bling you or PM you to say "how right you are" or "good call" or "well said" but do not show those sentiments in the open forum for all to see. Suddenly they disappear into the woodwork or simply lurk as readers. Why on earth would that be I wonder?

Then invariably, maybe to avoid an online spat, the posts in question are PD'd by the mods under the auspices of "don't rock the boat" even though they themselves have agreed with you privately.

Oh if only I were to upload a screen-shot of my User CP.

At the end of the day, life is too short and this is only an internet forum.

Happy Days. See you all in a while. I'm off the UK.

[Bonez]

Too late. Soap in my eyes.:msn-wink:
Two nuns in the bath.
One asks "Were's the soap?"
The other replies "Yes it does!" :rolleyes:

[sidecar bob]

And on an interesting sidenote - in the last 24 hours I have received 10 greens and 1 red (but Boob's my Kiwibiker Stalker so his doesn't count :msn-wink:) and there's some interesting names amongst them.

I'm not living in quite the land of delusion that some of you would like to suggest.

I agree with you asking the tough questions & who gives a shit how you say it, You are less abrasive than the road & far less hard hitting than an oncoming cage.
I dont usually post in these threads because i cant be arsed wading into a thread that is guaranteed to degenerate into name calling & cock measuring, Usually by the same people.

[CookMySock]

[...] Usually by the same people.It would be interesting to meet these people at a ride, or for drinkies. I bet they are perfectly nice folks then.

DB

[Katman]

You are less abrasive than the road & far less hard hitting than an oncoming cage.


Nice comment there Bob. If I had room, I'd stick it into my signature somehow.

[Bonez]

Let me see-"The prick (bit sexest so I'll add bitch in there) didn't see me" this does happen and motorist have stated/admitted the same.

"Bloody patch of diesel" now how does one remain upright on this shit? It doesn't matter what speed you are doing.

"They need to fix that bloody bump in the road" If you've travel enough of this counties back roads you'll have some understanding, but you obviously don't. Even at relatively moderate speeds you can get caught out. You may not live in the land of delusion but have you considered you may be delusional? For example there's a reason for the leveling and resealing of the road between Elsthorpe and Havelock North.

"you weren't there, you don't know what happened" You weren't. This is a fact you can not deny.

Oh and I'm a grumpy cunt in real life.

"If it looks like shit, feels like shit and smells like shit there's probably no need to lick your finger." see my previous post.:msn-wink:

[Katman]

he may not totally beleive himself in what he posts half the time

Trust me, I believe in everything I post on matters such as these.

[tri boy]

I wouldn't get to pedantic over the Red/Green bling thing.
Most people arn't interested in rating boring movies or repeated series.
Same with internet threads along the same level.
Youv'e made your safe riding point infinitum. Got anything else to offer?

[MSTRS]

.... Got anything else to offer?

In a word...No.
The opportunities to be a valuable and valued poster on more topics than you could poke a stick at, are endless in KB, but Katman can be summed up by that line in Turn The Page...."...the engine moaning out it's one note song..."

[Kickaha]

What is even more interesting is that these people choose not to support you in the open forums.

Probably because they can't be fucked getting into a online shitfight, I agree with a lot of what he says because I see a lot of people making excuses and blaming everything but themselves when they do fuck up

His delivery leaves a lot to be desired however and he's made to much of a dick of himself in the past for many people to take him seriously


You know, I'm calling you out on this one.

If you never ride with other KBers, you're not a fully-fledged member of the forum, simple as that. I'd say that that's understood well enough around here that's it's more than an unwritten rule.


So I don't ride with KB members so I'm not a fully fledged member? sounds like bullshit to me

[jrandom]

So I don't ride with KB members so I'm not a fully fledged member?

Nonsense! There's hundreds of us who've gotten our jollies from seeing your arse swinging around the outside of that slow cunt scrivy at some racetrack or other.

In my humble opinion, getting out and racing against other KB members for the spectating pleasure of even more KB members is about as fully-fledged as membership gets.

:yes:

Sidecar racing certainly gets my member going...

[oldrider]

Trust me, I believe in everything I post on matters such as these.

Katman I find you a boring bastard with all your holier than thou postings! :innocent:

You remind me of most of the government department Safety Officers I have known over the years, "chock full of legislative type BS". :headbang:

Reminds me of the adage: Those that can do, those that can't teach!

True life is not Utopian, life is a risky business, I like taking risks and as a result I fell off my bike on Sunday!

My bike is OK but I am fucked for a while damn it, get a fucking life man! :argh: John.

[Kickaha]

Sidecar racing certainly gets my member going...

Thats more information than I needed

[Katman]

True life is not Utopian, life is a risky business, I like taking risks and as a result I fell off my bike on Sunday!

My bike is OK but I am fucked for a while damn it, get a fucking life man! :argh: John.

So who or what are you blaming for that?

[Goblin]

I agree with you asking the tough questions & who gives a shit how you say it, You are less abrasive than the road & far less hard hitting than an oncoming cage.
I dont usually post in these threads because i cant be arsed wading into a thread that is guaranteed to degenerate into name calling & cock measuring, Usually by the same people.So how 'bout you remember that next time you take your wee girl Annie out to Oko at 160kph wearing jeans, sandshoes, motorX gloves and a little denim jacket. Hmmkay?

[jrandom]

So how 'bout you remember that next time you take your wee girl Annie out to Oko at 160kph wearing jeans, sandshoes, motorX gloves and a little denim jacket. Hmmkay?

C'mon, Kel, that response was a bit random...

<img src="http://www.absolutemichigan.com/dig/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/building-the-mackinac-bridge.jpg"/>

[Katman]

Katman I find you a boring bastard .........


.........I like taking risks and as a result I fell off my bike on Sunday!



And I find it surprising that I should have to lecture someone approaching 70. If you like taking risks take it to a racetrack.

[Bonez]

And I find it surprising that I should have to lecture someone approaching 70. If you like taking risks take it to a racetrack.

It's more risky to ride on the road. Or haven't you noticed that little fact?
You know more bang for your buck.:msn-wink:

[jrandom]

And I find it surprising that I should have to lecture someone approaching 70.

And yet we're not surprised that you'd presume to do it.

How odd.

[Goblin]

C'mon, Kel, that response was a bit random...I just get sick of the holier than thou anti drink driving, anti speeding when this clown is the worst one for actually doing it.

[Katman]

It's more risky to ride on the road.

It doesn't have to be.

[jrandom]

It doesn't have to be.

You have no idea how hard I will laugh on the day you fall off your bike.

[onearmedbandit]

Probably because they can't be fucked getting into a online shitfight, I agree with a lot of what he says because I see a lot of people making excuses and blaming everything but themselves when they do fuck up



No one is attacking the basic message, just the messenger. Others who expressed similar sentiments, but in a far more tactful approach have not had such condemnation rain upon them.

[Katman]

You have no idea how hard I will laugh on the day you fall off your bike.

Here's an idea - hold your breath.:msn-wink:

[onearmedbandit]

And I find it surprising that I should have to lecture someone approaching 70. If you like taking risks take it to a racetrack.

Why do you feel you should have to lecture him? Or anyone for that matter? In fact your choice of the word lecture really sums up to us how mightier you feel about yourself.

[PrincessBandit]

You have no idea how hard I will laugh on the day you fall off your bike.

I'm enthralled by those who think Katman has never come off a bike before. He has had his share of offs (I'm sure I remember one resulting in a punctured lung, albeit many many years ago). We'd all like others to learn and apply things we've learnt the hard way without having to go through it themselves. The eternal dilemma of all this though is that many people seem determined to learn only the hard way; the mentality is that if you haven't learnt it the hard way it doesn't count or some such bs. :brick:
Wow, i wonder if Katman knows he has his very own smilie! I went looking for a "sigh" to put at the end of my rant (had to settle for the brick wall as i couldn't find a smilie for sighing) and what should I see but "katman" in the list. Now, come on, how many of you can claim that honour! (:rofl:)

[jrandom]

Now, come on, how many of you can claim that honour!

Hitcher and wari have also had smilies named after them, but I can't think of anyone else off the top of my head.

[inlinefour]

lets ALL go for a ride :blank:

I'm keen and considering I'm a paraplegic and all I reckon I could still probably ride a bike better than scatman. He is too busy spouting shit here anyway.
Interesting, skidmark disappears and scatman takes over, are they related???:eek:

[onearmedbandit]

Wow, i wonder if Katman knows he has his very own smilie!

You mean this one? :tugger:

Or this one? :zzzz:

Nah, maybe it is this one? :mega:

Could it be? :wacko:

Or maybe even? :weird:

Oh, found it!! :katman:

[Katman]

Woohoo, do I get a free t shirt?:msn-wink:

[PrincessBandit]

Hitcher and wari have also had smilies named after them, but I can't think of anyone else off the top of my head.

An honour bestowed on so few. Such elite company!


(I am taking the piss by the way). :msn-wink:

[Ixion]

Hitcher and wari have also had smilies named after them, but I can't think of anyone else off the top of my head.

Motu ...

[jrandom]

I'm keen and considering I'm a paraplegic and all I reckon I could still probably ride a bike better than scatman. He is too busy spouting shit here anyway.

Given that Katman doesn't have the balls to come for a ride, perhaps we should revert to calling him Katmouse?

:laugh:

[doc]

Interesting, skidmark disappears and scatman takes over, are they related???:eek:

No I disagree this dickhead makes sence sometimes. Got to look thru the moment to get the picture ocassionally

[sidecar bob]

C'mon, Kel, that response was a bit random...


Cheers JR, (I love the bridge youre building) i dont really understand it, I think resource consent for her bridge may be held up somewhere.
Im sure my hot partner should be able to get things rolling again seeing as she is a senior adviser to to the government regarding the Resource Management Act.
I think section 141B may need to be applied here, Clearly its a matter of national significance.:laugh:

[Goblin]

Cheers JR, (I love the bridge youre building) i dont really understand it, I think resource consent for her bridge may be held up somewhere.
Im sure my hot partner should be able to get things rolling again seeing as she is a senior adviser to to the government regarding the Resource Management Act.
I think section 141B may need to be applied here, Clearly its a matter of national significance.:laugh:Oh Im well over you! I just hate to see a small child flailing around on the the back of a bike like a tea towel in the wind, with no regard for their safety. I mean you call an 8 year old girl your equal! You say you ride exactly the same with your child on the back as you do by yourself. Poor kid doesn't have a shit show.:oi-grr:

[oldrider]

No one is attacking the basic message, just the messenger. Others who expressed similar sentiments, but in a far more tactful approach have not had such condemnation rain upon them. :first:

This is probably closer to what I really wanted to say to you Katman.

My painkillers were still picking up speed at posting time and your holier than thou attitude really cranks me up. :shifty:

As an aside: I think the ground is much harder now than it was in my youth! :doh: John.

[Katman]

An honour bestowed on so few. Such elite company!


(I am taking the piss by the way). :msn-wink:

Hey, I'm happy to keep such company.


(Don't know if the feeling will be mutual though).:msn-wink:

[Bonez]

This is probably closer to what I really wanted to say to you Katman.

My painkillers were still picking up speed at posting time and your holier than thou attitude really cranks me up. :shifty:

As an aside: I think the ground is much harder now than it was in my youth! :doh: John.Far better meds though these days John.:msn-wink:

[jrandom]

Im sure my hot partner should be able to get things rolling again...


Oh Im well over you! :oi-grr:

Threesome, anybody?

:corn:

[BIHB@0610]

Threesome, anybody?

:corn:

You, me and Bob, JR? Oooh that sounds enticing ..... I'll have to check though - Scrivy might be jealous .......:bleh:

[jrandom]

You, me and Bob, JR? Oooh that sounds enticing ...

:love:


Scrivy might be jealous ...

Nonsense; his mind will be fully occupied with figuring out how to trick me into falling off his sidecar in October on the first lap so that he can watch me run naked through pit lane!

:2thumbsup

[BIHB@0610]

:love:



Nonsense; his mind will be fully occupied with figuring out how to trick me into falling off his sidecar in October on the first lap so that he can watch me run naked through pit lane!

:2thumbsup

so will mine ....... :devil2:

[jrandom]

so will mine ...

Really?

Scrivy has to throw me off a sidecar; all you'd have to do is ask nicely...

[rachprice]

Im not very experienced so don't know a lot about gravel/diesel etc but shit happens and what I don't understand is how you can control something other than the things that you directly affect. How are you supposed to ride and control everything that happens. Wouldn't you be going 10km/h just in case there was an oil patch around the corner? I understand that being able to deal with these situations comes with experience, but you need to get experience somehow yeah? This sort of thinking can be applied to everyday life, how am I in control of a powerpole being struck by lightening and falling on me?
I think it is true though how people in general like to blame everyone else but themselves. And anyway hind sight is an amazing thing, there has been plenty of times where I have known about something and still did the opposite in a split-decision situation. Things aren't always black and white, people shouldn't be so critical and judgemental because no one knows the full situation and all the confounding factors.
Whoa getting a bit intense, crazy how easy it is to get too into these arguments
P.S I was reading about a dude who got rear-ended by a women who 'didnt see him' how can this be attributed to him at all? It's not like he could move out the way into the intersection?

[sidecar bob]

Really?

Scrivy has to throw me off a sidecar; all you'd have to do is ask nicely...

Scrivy CANT throw me off a sidecar, so all i need to do is ask nicely. Oh, Edit, Apparently i wouldnt even need to ask nicely, although i despise bad manners.

[Maha]

Or this one? :zzzz:


No that ones ZEDS.....didnt know Matt had one named after him?....

[Ixion]

..
P.S I was reading about a dude who got rear-ended by a women who 'didnt see him' how can this be attributed to him at all? It's not like he could move out the way into the intersection?

Why not? I've done exactly that several times, and saved my skin thereby. And there are other options in such a case. Between the cars, up on the footpath, over onto the other side of the road. Done all of them over the years.

Can't be "attributed to him".True. But , who else d' y' reckon is going to bother to do anything to save 'him' from getting crushed? No-one else gives a stuff about 'him' so if 'he's' going to stay undamaged, it's down to 'him' to organise whatever needs to be done.

Folk tend to forget, that no-one else on the roads gives a flying fuck whether you live or die. And a good few would be quite chuffed if it was the latter. So, if you want it to be 'live', it's completely down to you.

It may be the other guy's fault, often is, but *you're* the one lying on the road screaming (or, worse, not screaming). Down to you, your choice. Me, I prefer not to bother whether it's my fault or his and just do whatever it takes to not end up lying on the road.

[rachprice]

True but there are so many variables (cars going through an intersection). I know you have to watch out for everyone else, sometimes not always possible to have superhuman reflexes? I am all for making the right choice to stay alive and there is definitely a lot that can be done, just saying not everything is able to be altered by you, you cant always turn a situation in your favour.

[Mikkel]

"Bloody patch of diesel" now how does one remain upright on this shit? It doesn't matter what speed you are doing.

My experiences with diesel are quite limited. Actually, the only time I have seen diesel on the road was this saturday coming over the Rimutakas in the rain - it was all over the place.

I'll go out on a limb and say that the way to stay upright on it is to use your brakes with the utmost of care and not leaning the bike over...

I didn't loose traction one single time - but I suspect I can thank MSTRS for that seeing as I was following him.

Now, I'm not saying it's not a hazard - but you *can* stay upright on it. Yes, if you're gunning it around the corner and hit it while at a lean I guess there's not so much you can do - but I wager some people have managed even that.


In a word...No.
The opportunities to be a valuable and valued poster on more topics than you could poke a stick at, are endless in KB, but Katman can be summed up by that line in Turn The Page...."...the engine moaning out it's one note song..."

That is a very good song btw. :) And he doesn't "...feel much like riding..." either ;)

[dipshit]

True but there are so many variables (cars going through an intersection). I know you have to watch out for everyone else, sometimes not always possible to have superhuman reflexes? I am all for making the right choice to stay alive and there is definitely a lot that can be done, just saying not everything is able to be altered by you, you cant always turn a situation in your favour.

But you can create your own luck by risk management and prioritising.

Do you want to show the other cars how fast your bike is away from the traffic lights..? Or is your number one priority getting to your destination in one piece, so you take an extra two seconds before taking off to look both ways to see that no one is running a red light?

It's about taking control and responsibility for your situation.

[sugilite]

My experiences with diesel are quite limited. Actually, the only time I have seen diesel on the road was this saturday coming over the Rimutakas in the rain - it was all over the place.

I'll go out on a limb and say that the way to stay upright on it is to use your brakes with the utmost of care and not leaning the bike over...

I didn't loose traction one single time - but I suspect I can thank MSTRS for that seeing as I was following him.

Now, I'm not saying it's not a hazard - but you *can* stay upright on it. Yes, if you're gunning it around the corner and hit it while at a lean I guess there's not so much you can do - but I wager some people have managed even that.


With all due respect to your very good post Mikkel, I'd be hesitant on recommending using brakes on diesel. Yes I've survived speedway style slides around a diesel laden Basin Reserve in Wellies on a RZ500. Both times by not panicking, having a heap of motocross bike experience and at A LOT of good fortune!!!

I'm 'guessing' the diesel you encountered on the takas, 'may' have largely been washed away.

My technique for diesel is have a relaxed grip on the bars and with your knees relaxed against the tank, Keep the controls steady as she goes, don't chop the throttle or touch the brakes. It's really important not to tense your body, staying relaxed is key. If you hit it mid corner or have to brake on it, may good fortune be on your side.

[mister.koz]

Welz,

I have to say i've been reading through this post for a while now (eyes are tired, takes me time) and apart from the obvious down-yer-nose start and a good amount of shit slinging there's allot to read here :)

I am a very green rider and i am pretty much too nervous to fart for the first 5 mins of a ride until i start to get used to that feel the road moving under me. I am constantly giving myself allot of room and changing that 2 second rule to the 2 minute rule to save myself a quick stop and a rear end or a VERY quick stop and a new front wheel (and teeth)

Its good to know that the general consensus is that there are allot of hazards out there and you need to have your eyes open and take ownership of your life on the road. I would like to think i am smart enough to learn from other peoples achievements and mistakes as well as realize at all times i am an amateur and know nothing, so i stay humble and don't get my ambitions mixed up with my abilities.

cheerz again

[Deano]

He recognises bluster when he sees it?

See now my definition of bluster would be spouting off on an internet forum and not backing yourself up.

[MSTRS]

You have no idea how hard I will laugh on the day you fall off your bike.

But since Krapman has a one note song to sing, and he refuses to ride with 'us', you really think news of that event will end up on here?

[jrandom]

... you really think news of that event will end up on here?

PrincessBandit's a sweetie, she'll let us know.

:yes:

[Katman]

But since Krapman has a one note song to sing, and he refuses to ride with 'us', you really think news of that event will end up on here?

Well, that's if you don't count that embarrassing little 'ride' through the streets of Taupo.:msn-wink:

[Bass]

PrincessBandit's a sweetie, she'll let us know.

:yes:

I read through all this and I smile because Maha had it right pages ago.

We may or may not detest the messenger, depending on which side of the fence we fall, but we all of us remember the message.

I suspect that is all that Katman is seeking to achieve.

If so, he's very skilled at it don't you think?

[onearmedbandit]

Those annoying Jiff adverts from the 80's got the message through as well (remember the one, with the ice skater and the bathtub?). However I don't buy Jiff now just because I hated the messenger so much. There are other products to choose from.

[kiwifruit]

:msn-wink:

Would you like to go for a relaxed ride this evening?
I'm going for a, not so relaxed run (legs, etc) at 5, will be ready to ride by 6 if you're keen?

[CookMySock]

Well said, Bass.

DB

[Bass]

Well said, Bass.

DB

I particularly like the way he gives it a real subtle poke every now and then, just to keep the pot boiling.

It seems to me that he cares much more about the message than he does about the criticism.

Of course, this is all guesswork and he could be a complete arsehole but if I am right, I have done him no favours in writing this - it has the potential to remove his most effective tool.

Let's just keep everyone guessing eh?

[Usarka]

The trouble with the Jif adverts in the 80's was you had to change the channel to not see them, which means you saw the start of the ad in the first place, then had to get off the couch to the tv and it was too much effort.

Imagine if people could have put the annoying Jif ad on the ignore list. Most people would and then the message wouldn't get through at all except to those that liked it in the first place. Maybe then they wouldn't have made it so annoying.

[Bass]

The trouble with the Jif adverts in the 80's was you had to change the channel to not see them, which means you saw the start of the ad in the first place, then had to get off the couch to the tv and it was too much effort.

Imagine if people could have put the annoying Jif ad on the ignore list. Most people would and then the message wouldn't get through at all except to those that liked it in the first place. Maybe then they wouldn't have made it so annoying.

How many ad's have made the Fair Go nominations for both the best and the worst ?

To a degree, it's true that there is no such thing as bad publicity.

[Maha]

Trust me, I believe in everything I post on matters such as these.

Not a matter of trusting you, I know you believe in what you post, even if it is with a pinch of salt, what I mean is, some threads are started with one thing in mind, and that is, 'to be totally argumentative' ....like this little Gem http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=24518&highlight=jap+bikes+suck ....I happen to know the thread starter, and while he knows it aint true (granted, he hasn't got much time for Jap bikes) he posted the thread just to get a few backs up. He knew he would and it worked....:niceone:

[Bonez]

It's a bit like this thread really-

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=62402&highlight=campaign

Hmmm, wonder if they can be merged?

[Katman]

Not a matter of trusting you, I know you believe in what you post, even if it is with a pinch of salt, what I mean is, some threads are started with one thing in mind, and that is, 'to be totally argumentative' ....like this little Gem http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=24518&highlight=jap+bikes+suck ....I happen to know the thread starter, and while he knows it aint true (granted, he hasn't got much time for Jap bikes) he posted the thread just to get a few backs up. He knew he would and it worked....:niceone:

I'm disappointed (and surprised) that you think there's the remotest similarity between that thread and the ones I've started.

And if you think I start threads just to create arguments then you've missed the point completely.

[onearmedbandit]

But you do it so well.

[Boob Johnson]

Katmouse (thank you Jrandom) doesn't care that much about the message, he is terminally ill (so he says) & pissed off at the world, which drives him here to argue, let off some steam, some may say that is understandable? Looking at his posting history says it all as it doesn't matter what the subject is he does his level best to comes across as an arrogant, ignorant, insensitive & argumentative bafoon.


But I do admire his ability to ignore the facts in front of him while spouting off the complete opposite, just makes him look even more ignorant. Yes the message is note worthy but goodness me for someone who is wanting to open a defense riding school you would think you would go about things a bit more diplomatically than this wouldn't you?


"How to win friends & influence people" by Dale Carngie.


Do ya self a favour Katmouse, read it :Pokey:

[Katman]

he is terminally ill (so he says)


Man, it's gonna freak my sister out that I tell my bestest mate Boob things that I don't tell her. :lol:


Fuck knows where you got that one from - but nothing that comes out of your mouth surprises me anymore.

[Boob Johnson]

Man, it's gonna freak my sister out that I tell my bestest mate Boob things that I don't tell her. :lol:


Fuck knows where you got that one from -
When I get the time ill attempt to find the post, you made mention to being so some time ago.



but nothing that comes out of your mouth surprises me anymore.
It's much the same as the vast majority of posters in your threads Katmouse, you have a great message but your an arrogant bafoon who few respect.

[dipshit]

Fuck knows where you got that one from - but nothing that comes out of your mouth surprises me anymore.

Probably from one of his dreams he has about you at night. :whistle:

[Bonez]

Katmouse (thank you Jrandom) doesn't care that much about the message, he is terminally ill (so he says) & pissed off at the world, which drives him here to argue, let off some steam, some may say that is understandable? Looking at his posting history says it all as it doesn't matter what the subject is he does his level best to comes across as an arrogant, ignorant, insensitive & argumentative bafoon.


But I do admire his ability to ignore the facts in front of him while spouting off the complete opposite, just makes him look even more ignorant. Yes the message is note worthy but goodness me for someone who is wanting to open a defense riding school you would think you would go about things a bit more diplomatically than this wouldn't you?


"How to win friends & influence people" by Dale Carngie.


Do ya self a favour Katmouse, read it :Pokey:Is the defense riding school thing still going ahead? I got the impression in the "campaign" thread it had fallen by the wayside. Conspiracy theory-Could this be the true reason for the posts? Drum up bussiness. :msn-wink:

Edit- Found Katmans quote- "And the instructor thing? I found out how much it costs and the rigmarole associated with becoming certified. Bugger that - it'll be cheaper and less hassle to take the Secret of Invincibility to my grave."

[Finn]

You mean this one? :tugger:

Lately, Katman has been beating his dick like it owes him money.

[jrandom]

Katmouse (thank you Jrandom) doesn't care that much about the message, he is terminally ill...

So's boomer.

Except we all love him to bits, and he's probably going to get better anyway - I can just imagine the cancer giving up and running whimpering into the night after having to put up with one too many foul insults.

:laugh:

Katshit, though, is just an annoying old man with a chip on his shoulder who seems to want to take his frustrations out on the rest of the world.

I hope he enjoys his ride with kiwifruit tonight; maybe, just maybe, he'll calm down, stop on a hill somewhere, watch the sun set over the mountains and realise that life should not be all about wringing one's hands over the world's foolishness.

[Katman]

Blah, blah, blah


Still holding your breath?:msn-wink:

[jrandom]

Still holding your breath?

I have, in fact, turned positively purple, Mr Kat Mouse sir.

<img src="http://www.imyam.com/thumbs/Cute/Cat-Holding-Breath.jpg"/>

[Bonez]

I have, in fact, turned positively purple, Mr Kat Mouse sir.

<img src="http://www.imyam.com/thumbs/Cute/Cat-Holding-Breath.jpg"/>
C'mon, let the mouse go.

[Mikkel]

:corn: So much love in this thread :love:


With all due respect to your very good post Mikkel, I'd be hesitant on recommending using brakes on diesel. Yes I've survived speedway style slides around a diesel laden Basin Reserve in Wellies on a RZ500. Both times by not panicking, having a heap of motocross bike experience and at A LOT of good fortune!!!

I'm 'guessing' the diesel you encountered on the takas, 'may' have largely been washed away.

My technique for diesel is have a relaxed grip on the bars and with your knees relaxed against the tank, Keep the controls steady as she goes, don't chop the throttle or touch the brakes. It's really important not to tense your body, staying relaxed is key. If you hit it mid corner or have to brake on it, may good fortune be on your side.

I may have been unclear in my post - when I say use your brakes with utmost care the emphasis is on utmost care, not use ;) (And by utmost care I mean only IF you have to, and try not to HAVE to :yes: )

I dunno whether it had been washed away - it certainly had been washed out over a significant portion of the road surface. Quite an experience I must say. One thing I was happy about was the fact that the rain made it easy to see where it was... :shit:

As for that last paragraph of yours - fucking spot on mate! But I'd apply that riding technique at all times, not just on diesel :yes:

[PrincessBandit]

C'mon, let the mouse go.

Looks like more than one mouse in there! Maybe a budgie, or it could just be a large rat.

[Katman]

Looks like more than one mouse in there! Maybe a budgie, or it could just be a large rat.

Or maybe just a very big penis.

[Bonez]

Or maybe just a very big penis.Feeling the loss are you?

[Gubb]

Or maybe just a very big penis.

You would know.

[Katman]

Feeling the loss are you?

I'm flattered.:msn-wink:

[Bonez]

I'm flattered.:msn-wink:(p/t) Now does that officially make you a cunt?

[Katman]

(p/t) Now does that officially make you a cunt?

What do you mean "now"?:msn-wink:

[Bonez]

(p/t) OOPs. No, sorry I ment black hole- full of anti-matter.

[merv]

Katshit, though, is just an annoying old man with a chip on his shoulder who seems to want to take his frustrations out on the rest of the world.


How old is this annoying old man?

[Deano]

Check out his posts, the guys a right winker.

[MSTRS]

How old is this annoying old man?

I've met you both, and you, young Merv, could be his daddy. Although I wouldn't wish that upon you.

[Lissa]

Check out his posts, the guys a right winker.

:msn-wink: Absolutely and if people are confused, the reason for my post in this thread is in regards to a post Katman made in Seans (info on Seans) thread, which is now in Pointless Drivel.. which it certainly is.

He stated that in his opinion that when someone claims to not remember an accident, it is often because that someone doesnt want to admit to certain aspects of the accident.

Awesome mate, my man had a major head injury, three seizures, in a coma and loss of memory, and you post that load of crap in his thread for him to read. I wonder who should be having his head read. :weird:

You might have valid points about certain things that you post about, but now I dont really care for anything you have to say.

[Number One]

Bugger Mel I will bling you for that as soon as I can. Well said. Couldn't agree more :sunny: His comment was just plain off.

[Badjelly]

Absolutely and if people are confused, the reason for my post in this thread is in regards to a post Katman made in Seans (info on Seans) thread, which is now in Pointless Drivel.. which it certainly is.
I thought there was more rancour in this thread than was justified by the original post.

But, isn't it about time to let it go, guys? At least on this thread.

[Katman]

In Sean's case, I was implying that even if he remembers nothing immediately before, during or after the accident, I'm sure he remembers the general manner in which he was riding that day.

Judging by one of Drews posts in that thread it's hard to imagine the accident was caused by anything other than Sean over-doing things.

[Str8 Jacket]

I thought there was more rancour in this thread than was justified by the original post.

But, isn't it about time to let it go, guys? At least on this thread.

No. People need to learn how to play nice. One day katman may learn that there is a time and a place. He insists that the only way people will get his message is by "drumming" it into people so obviously he needs the same in return. If ya gonna be an arsehole then expect to get treated like one.

[Number One]

No. People need to learn how to play nice. One day katman may learn that there is a time and a place. He insists that the only way people will get his message is by "drumming" it into people so obviously he needs the same in return. If ya gonna be an arsehole then expect to get treated like one.

+1 couldn't have worded this better.

Why doesn't he just get over it and get down off the soap box OR learn how to communicate in a manner that actually enables the very people he is most 'concerned about' to listen or bother to even think about 'considering his point'.

[McDuck]

I thought there was more rancour in this thread than was justified by the original post.

But, isn't it about time to let it go, guys? At least on this thread.

let it go as in stop posting about it or remove all the stops and go absolutly phsyco?

[Katman]

And btw, I think Drew 'gets it' even if some of you others are struggling to.

[Deano]

And btw, I think Drew "gets it" even if some of you others are struggling to.

So now you assume to know what others are thinking....as well as the cause of every motocyclists crashes...

FFS - get over yourself.

[Badjelly]

No. People need to learn how to play nice. One day katman may learn that there is a time and a place. He insists that the only way people will get his message is by "drumming" it into people so obviously he needs the same in return. If ya gonna be an arsehole then expect to get treated like one.

I don't have any problem with comments like this one and I wouldn't have any problem with Katman coming back and explaining why he's not an arsehole. But the back-and-forth trading of body-part names is going nowhere. (And yes, I know "arsehole" is a body-part name too, but at least you've put it in some context.)


let it go as in stop posting about it or remove all the stops and go absolutly phsyco?

It's hard to visualise what going absolutely psycho on an Internet forum would involve.

[Joni]

Awesome mate, my man had a major head injury, three seizures, in a coma and loss of memory, and you post that load of crap in his thread for him to read. I wonder who should be having his head read. :weird: Yeah I was a bit taken back by that as well... I mean the fact that medically one of the symptoms of major head trauma is memory loss, seemed not to come into the thought processes... it was just because Sean did not want to admit he was in the wrong....

Rrriiighttttttttt!

[Fatjim]

In Sean's case, I was implying that even if he remembers nothing immediately before, during or after the accident, I'm sure he remembers the general manner in which he was riding that day.

Judging by one of Drews posts in that thread it's hard to imagine the accident was caused by anything other than Sean over-doing things.

If you were inplying this certainly no-one inferred it from what you said. You were quite clear that you felt that many people did not want to admit to an accident being their fault and therefor claimed amnesia as an excuse not to own up. The clear implication of placing that in Seans thread was that you felt it was applicable to Sean's case.

Now you have changed your story, and yet you are still wrong. Sean does not even remember riding that day or if he was with anybody, he thinks he was riding with me although he wasn't. I know this is untrue because I didn't get a smack to head and my memory is fine.

Would be good if you manned it up a bit and just admitted you were out of line. But I suspect it's beyond the capabilities of your character to do that.

[jrandom]

Judging by one of Drews posts in that thread it's hard to imagine the accident was caused by anything other than Sean over-doing things.

You just don't get it, do you?

Sometimes, even statements that may well be factually correct are simply inappropriate. Your wife, for instance, may be fat and have a hairy upper lip. You yourself may have, oh, I dunno... lost a job once due to incompetence.

(I'm just being random here, although I wouldn't be at all surprised if either or both of the above were true.)

:laugh:

However, my point is that nobody with the faintest degree of social grace would ever dream of insisting on bluntly pointing out either of the above to you, particularly in public.

You, however, have the gall to publicly spout offensive assumptions about the reasons behind Sean's crash.

To be perfectly honest, your conduct reminds me of skidMark and his frequent Asperger's-driven inability (yes, he really does have Asperger's syndrome) to realise when statements are inappropriate.

I'd be interested to know how you get on with people around you in real life. It wouldn't surprise me if you had great trouble making and keeping friends.

[Headbanger]

No. People need to learn how to play nice. One day katman may learn that there is a time and a place. He insists that the only way people will get his message is by "drumming" it into people so obviously he needs the same in return. If ya gonna be an arsehole then expect to get treated like one.



+1


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[Lissa]

In Sean's case, I was implying that even if he remembers nothing immediately before, during or after the accident, I'm sure he remembers the general manner in which he was riding that day.

Judging by one of Drews posts in that thread it's hard to imagine the accident was caused by anything other than Sean over-doing things.
Hmm but Drew wasnt there. Sean cant remember that day, but I can remember what he said to me before he went off on his bike. And as for Seans Accident do you really think that there is anyway in hell that he would want me or anyone discussing it with you? I think anyone who has had a major accident would be having a good hard look at themselves for whatever the reason for the accident was, and comments like yours are just downright dumb. Deano said it right.. get over yourself.

[onearmedbandit]

Katman - Owned by KB since the day he joined. Take a hint buddy.

[Genestho]

I havent been on here for awhile, and Im sorry I couldnt be arsed reading the whole thread, so Ive probably missed some very important rants...but katman, everytime Ive seen your name it preceeds some sort of an insult or belittling.

I get where your coming from, as I assume does everyone else...nobody needs your beligerence or rude behaviour and inappropriate disrespectful remarks to remind them how to ride safe.


To be quite honest Im starting to wonder if you dont just love the sensationalism your causing by your attitude, otherwise you'd take a pill and chill and communicate without the bs.

There. Nuff said.:blink:

[Mom]

In Sean's case, I was implying that even if he remembers nothing immediately before, during or after the accident, I'm sure he remembers the general manner in which he was riding that day.

Judging by one of Drews posts in that thread it's hard to imagine the accident was caused by anything other than Sean over-doing things.

FAR CANAL MATE!

Don't you know when to pull your head in about something you know nothing about, or are you just too ignorant to give a damn?!


If you were inplying this certainly no-one inferred it from what you said. You were quite clear that you felt that many people did not want to admit to an accident being their fault and therefor claimed amnesia as an excuse not to own up. The clear implication of placing that in Seans thread was that you felt it was applicable to Sean's case.

Now you have changed your story, and yet you are still wrong. Sean does not even remember riding that day or if he was with anybody, he thinks he was riding with me although he wasn't. I know this is untrue because I didn't get a smack to head and my memory is fine.

Would be good if you manned it up a bit and just admitted you were out of line. But I suspect it's beyond the capabilities of your character to do that.

[MSTRS]

Kraponman is simply showing his ignorance and utter comtempt for others.
The other Sean on here (Shaun) also had a wee off and a slight tap on the ol' noggin amongst other assorted bumps'n'bruises...he doesn't remember a thing between 5 days prior to his whoopsie and waking up in hospital. Even now. What - 8 months later?
I challenge you, Krapforbrains to call him out over his riding skills.
Censure me, if you will, mods, but it behoves me to state plainly...Katman is a fuckwit who should be permanently removed from these (sometimes) hallowed halls.
And just to be absolutely clear...:finger:.to you, sKatman.

[jrandom]

Katman is a fuckwit who should be permanently removed from these (sometimes) hallowed halls.

I agree.

Unfortunately, KB Is Not a Democracy (tm), and as dictators go, Mental Pants is even less interfering and grumpy than SpankMe (if that's possible) so I doubt that it will ever happen.

[Jimmy B]

I stood up for Katman over comments made some time ago in Quasi's post. I felt that he was being unfairly treated. It was clearly a mistake and I would like to apologise.

[Tank]

I agree.

Unfortunately, KB Is Not a Democracy (tm), and as dictators go, Mental Pants is even less interfering and grumpy than SpankMe (if that's possible) so I doubt that it will ever happen.

BUT .. there could be a mass 'ignoring'. If everyone added him to the ignore list at the same time - then he is as good as off here anyways.

[MIXONE]

Kraponman is simply showing his ignorance and utter comtempt for others.
The other Sean on here (Shaun) also had a wee off and a slight tap on the ol' noggin amongst other assorted bumps'n'bruises...he doesn't remember a thing between 5 days prior to his whoopsie and waking up in hospital. Even now. What - 8 months later?
I challenge you, Krapforbrains to call him out over his riding skills.
Censure me, if you will, mods, but it behoves me to state plainly...Katman is a fuckwit who should be permanently removed from these (sometimes) hallowed halls.
And just to be absolutely clear...:finger:.to you, sKatman.

I agree 100%.Bye bye crapforbrains.:bye::clap::finger:

[Joni]

Kraponman is simply showing his ignorance and utter comtempt for others.
The other Sean on here (Shaun) also had a wee off and a slight tap on the ol' noggin amongst other assorted bumps'n'bruises...he doesn't remember a thing between 5 days prior to his whoopsie and waking up in hospital. Even now. What - 8 months later?
I challenge you, Krapforbrains to call him out over his riding skills.
Censure me, if you will, mods, but it behoves me to state plainly...Katman is a fuckwit who should be permanently removed from these (sometimes) hallowed halls.
And just to be absolutely clear...:finger:.to you, sKatman.Yup!

However, dont just bitch about it in this thread... report the post everytime its not on, make your voice heard straight to the Mods and Admins email inbox.

[Ixion]

Without wishing to get caught up in the angst flying around here, I will state (from my own knowledge), that a blow to the head can (and usually does) cause amnesia, both of things that happened before the blow (retrograde amnesia) and things that happened immediatley after the blow (antegrade amnesia - I think I've got them the right way round, if not read backwards).

The period of memory lost can vary from a few minutes to months. Usually the memory never returns

There may also be a period at each end where memories are partial or interrupted. And sometimes the brain will "invent" false memories, in an effort to "fill in the gaps" and make sense of this partial information . Sometimes the gap filling actually comes up with what did happen, sometimes it is completely wrong. Or memories of two different occasions or events will be muddled together . So what the person does "remember" may not be a true memory at all. Hence , for instance , "remembering" riding with a companion, when that was not in fact the case. The companion has been remembered from another occasion and mixed in (or is a normal adjunct to a ride and the brain has "filled it in")

This is a completely well established fact, which can be verified by reference to any reputable medical source. It is completely beyond the control fo the person concerned.

[jrandom]

... dont just bitch about it in this thread... report the post everytime its not on, make your voice heard straight to the Mods and Admins email inbox.

Good suggestion, Joni.

Let's all follow through on it!

[Katman]

Why do I continue to do it?

Because the message of accepting personal responsibility and accountability needs to be constantly hammered home. Because if it isn't we will continue to blame cagers, cheesecutters, diesel, tyres, pedestrians, weather etc etc etc, and nothing will ever change.

[Fatjim]

What a tool.

[Number One]

Why do I continue to do it? blah blah blah the message blah blah blah...needs to be constantly hammered home. Blah blah

Mungo likes to hit things. AND btw I don't see that you are having the intended impact you 'dream' of.

[Str8 Jacket]

What a tool.

Nah, a tool is useful.

[Bonez]

Without wishing to get caught up in the angst flying around here, I will state (from my own knowledge), that a blow to the head can (and usually does) cause amnesia, both of things that happened before the blow (retrograde amnesia) and things that happened immediatley after the blow (antegrade amnesia - I think I've got them the right way round, if not read backwards).

The period of memory lost can vary from a few minutes to months. Usually the memory never returns

There may also be a period at each end where memories are partial or interrupted. And sometimes the brain will "invent" false memories, in an effort to "fill in the gaps" and make sense of this partial information . Sometimes the gap filling actually comes up with what did happen, sometimes it is completely wrong. Or memories of two different occasions or events will be muddled together . So what the person does "remember" may not be a true memory at all. Hence , for instance , "remembering" riding with a companion, when that was not in fact the case. The companion has been remembered from another occasion and mixed in (or is a normal adjunct to a ride and the brain has "filled it in")

This is a completely well established fact, which can be verified by reference to any reputable medical source. It is completely beyond the control fo the person concerned.Also the person that has had the head injury can suffer from a total personnality change, suffer from ansiaty and become quite succluded because of this.

[kiwifruit]

I do find myself, sometimes, when riding thinking; "how can i make this situation safer". Something good i took from one of katman's posts....

katman may well come across as a cunt sometimes but he's only trying to help in his own special way :f00kinmsnwink:

[jrandom]

katman may well come across as a cunt sometimes but he's only trying to help in his own special way...

... but the end, in the opinion of the vast majority of folk on this forum, does not justify his means.

I come across as a cunt sometimes, too, but I do my best to judiciously balance that with a bit of love and humility.

Katman is simply relentless in his monotonous offensiveness.

In my opinion, he needs to either change his approach willingly, or be forced to via exclusion from the forum.

[Katman]

I do find myself, sometimes, when riding thinking; "how can i make this situation safer". Something good i took from one of katman's posts....

katman may well come across as a cunt sometimes but he's only trying to help in his own special way :f00kinmsnwink:

f00kin:msn-wink:

[sugilite]

Right, it has taken me a little while to track this thread down as I only have a white belt in using the search function it would seem. (This thread has a fair few photos, so sorry non broadband users.) Anyways, check out Katmans post number 15, it perfectly sums up his natural mode of operation. This big noise on safety issues is a load of twoddle. He is a natural stirrer and I feel adds very little to this forum. It was very clear as I labored through all his worthless posts that he collects infraction points and wears them like a badge of honor, clearly it matters not to him and I feel MUCH stronger action needs be taken. He claims to know a thing or two about photography, but clearly he is only intent on belittling others sincere efforts, rather than actually passing on useful info as to how people may better their noble efforts.
Anyhow, here is that thread....
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1138299#post1138299

I advise what few katman supporters are left, to have a look at post 15 and consider if this person deserves their loyalty.

[mstriumph]

Why do I continue to do it?

Because the message of accepting personal responsibility and accountability needs to be constantly hammered home. Because if it isn't we will continue to blame cagers, cheesecutters, diesel, tyres, pedestrians, weather etc etc etc, and nothing will ever change.

no disrespect intended but, unfortunately, when you have lost all credibility as you have [judging by the above posts] it's a total waste of time doing it AT ALL because those you want to hear you will stop listening to you [as they currently seem to be doing] .....

ie your 'message', no matter how worthy it may be [and no-one is saying this one isn't], ISN'T going to get through because it's being constantly blocked by the barriers people put up against the inappropriate and sometimes insulting manner in which you seem to deliver it .........

please think about it before you post again ---
you've hurt some feelings in this thread and i can't believe that was your intention

[Katman]

Right, it has taken me a little while to track this thread down as I only have a white belt in using the search function it would seem. (This thread has a fair few photos, so sorry non broadband users.) Anyways, check out Katmans post number 15, it perfectly sums up his natural mode of operation. This big noise on safety issues is a load of twoddle. He is a natural stirrer and I feel adds very little to this forum. It was very clear as I labored through all his worthless posts that he collects infraction points and wears them like a badge of honor, clearly it matters not to him and I feel MUCH stronger action needs be taken. He claims to know a thing or two about photography, but clearly he is only intent on belittling others sincere efforts, rather than actually passing on useful info as to how people may better their noble efforts.
Anyhow, here is that thread....
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1138299#post1138299

I advise what few katman supporters are left, to have a look at post 15 and consider if this person deserves their loyalty.

Now that's getting desperate.:msn-wink:

[kevfromcoro]

Shit ..is this thread still going....
one thing about KM....He knows how to get our attention...
Mayebe the guy just doesnt know how to come accross very well.
certanaly upsepset a few here

[Mikkel]

Katman, like other on here I must say I was receptive to your message - in the beginning that is. All you're doing now is pissing people off.

A picture is worth a thousand words they say - I think the message that people are trying to get across to you is illustrated by the attachment.

Oh, and if you have something in your eye get a fucking patch for it. P-|

[sugilite]

Now that's getting desperate.:msn-wink:

I'm looking at it as being pro-active.

[Bonez]

Here's a suggestion for Katman. Organise a ride, I'm sure it will be well attended. Actually show folk how they should be riding, giving tips on situational awareness along the route, ie stopping and pointing out dangers (these stopping points could be selected a week or so prior), riding technique/style appropriate for open road riding. And maybe have a get together and a bit of a debreif afterwards. Failing that you could do it in conjunction with one of the other "organised" KB runs/events.

This'll also give you the opportunaty to display your photoghaphic skills.

[skelstar]

Listen to your peers Karmaman, you're a nobody. You've already caused me enough grief, find somewhere else to put your soapbox little man.

[Usarka]

Do people really think that this smiley ==> :msn-wink:, makes their statement less aggressive/confrontational etc?


Fuck, I hope not.:msn-wink:

bahahahahahahaa kak-man are you getting the confrontation you desire? :msn-wink:

[Bonez]

Now Katman what would you do in this situation?

You are toodling along a back road come around a corner, low and behold there's a gum tree branch in completely blocking the opposing lane. Now this is a tight corner, no way a motocyclist is going to see said branch in time to stop if coming the other way.

[McDuck]

Now Katman what would you do in this situation?

You are toodling along a back road come around a corner, low and behold there's a gum tree branch in completely blocking the opposing lane. Now this is a tight corner, no way a motocyclist is going to see said branch in time to stop if coming the other way.

laugh......:spanking:

[MSTRS]

you've hurt some feelings in this thread and i can't believe that was your intention
Oh yes it was. It is what he does.

Here's a suggestion for Katman. Organise a ride, I'm sure it will be well attended. Actually show folk how they should be riding, giving tips on situational awareness along the route, ie stopping and pointing out dangers (these stopping points could be selected a week or so prior), riding technique/style appropriate for open road riding. And maybe have a get together and a bit of a debreif afterwards. Failing that you could do it in conjunction with one of the other "organised" KB runs/events.

This'll also give you the opportunaty to display your photoghaphic skills.

Touching, Bonez... but you need to lower your sights a bit....quite a bit... No...a bit more.

[Bonez]

laugh......:spanking:This is in fact a true situation I've come across while riding.

Well the first of two, the other involved a birch tree branch a week later.

Could say I'd gone out on a limb:whistle:

[McDuck]

Altho i would stop and move the branch (if i could)

[Badjelly]

Now Katman what would you do in this situation?

You are toodling along a back road come around a corner, low and behold there's a gum tree branch in completely blocking the opposing lane. Now this is a tight corner, no way a motocyclist is going to see said branch in time to stop if coming the other way.

That's easy: ride as if there's a tree branch around every corner.

Well easy to say, maybe not quite so easy to do, but--believe it or not--I really do try to ride so that I can always stop in the distance I can see. To help me do this, I think "lawnmower":

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1457960&highlight=lawnmower#post1457960

[Jimmy B]

The way I see it is that KM is preaching to the converted and what he says is all blindingly obvious, over and over again. What I would like to hear is lessons learnt from his own experience i.e. more of the "how" or stuff that is actually useful. Unfortunately I suspect that this may not be in his repertoire.

[Mom]

You just don't get it, do you?

Sometimes, even statements that may well be factually correct are simply inappropriate. Your wife, for instance, may be fat and have a hairy upper lip. You yourself may have, oh, I dunno... lost a job once due to incompetence.

(I'm just being random here, although I wouldn't be at all surprised if either or both of the above were true.)

:laugh:

However, my point is that nobody with the faintest degree of social grace would ever dream of insisting on bluntly pointing out either of the above to you, particularly in public.

You, however, have the gall to publicly spout offensive assumptions about the reasons behind Sean's crash.

To be perfectly honest, your conduct reminds me of skidMark and his frequent Asperger's-driven inability (yes, he really does have Asperger's syndrome) to realise when statements are inappropriate.

I'd be interested to know how you get on with people around you in real life. It wouldn't surprise me if you had great trouble making and keeping friends.

Randomness at its finest Sir! Well said!


Why do I continue to do it?

I have no idea mate, but I think you should stop while you are losing, seriously you really should!



Listen to your peers Karmaman, you're a nobody. You've already caused me enough grief, find somewhere else to put your soapbox little man.

Grief is relative mate, dont make time for it in your recovery. Put this silly boy on ignore like I am about to do, and move forward.

[Number One]

Anyways, check out Katmans post number 15, it perfectly sums up his natural mode of operation. This big noise on safety issues is a load of twoddle. He is a natural stirrer and I feel adds very little to this forum. It was very clear as I labored through all his worthless posts that he collects infraction points and wears them like a badge of honor, clearly it matters not to him and I feel MUCH stronger action needs be taken. He claims to know a thing or two about photography, but clearly he is only intent on belittling others sincere efforts, rather than actually passing on useful info as to how people may better their noble efforts.
Anyhow, here is that thread....
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1138299#post1138299


Wasn't a fan of KM anyway but had a look and have determined he is just a troll...he is likely getting off on all the 'reactions he gets' and he is the first Kber to make my ignore list. Isn't that function great?!! I'm sure he is standing out somewhere preaching his ways but it's as if he doesn't even exist.....

hmmm peace and quiet.

[Bonez]

That's easy: ride as if there's a tree branch around every corner.

Well easy to say, maybe not quite so easy to do, but--believe it or not--I really do try to ride so that I can always stop in the distance I can see. To help me do this, I think "lawnmower":

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1457960&highlight=lawnmower#post1457960

Wrong answer. You are in the clear lane. Please read the post slowly. Part of being a motocyclist is having consideration for other road users is it not?