Banning party pills - a silly idea?

[carver]

since banning party pills (BZP), there HAS been a increase in the demand for E and Acid etc...so much so that there is a shortage of Exstacy and acid.
so in my mind, party pill users have had to turn to harder, illegal drugs, for their recreation.
was it a fuckup or not, your thoughts.

[Disco Dan]

Before the party pills were banned, the harder drugs like E and Acid where given a much higher level of respect. For most they did not come along all the time and even when they did, there was usually hesitation and/or even planning (Of course there were people above and below that group).

When party pills became common, that group went to using party pills to complement the 'not so hard' drugs. What has and will continue to happen now, is that those people will have no choice but to move towards E and Acid in order to 'keep the high'.

Just some of my random on the spot thoughts.

[CookMySock]

gee what happened to just having a wee toke ? It's all so serious now. LOLOLOL

DB

[Livvy]

It disgusts me to say it, but Carver, I think you're right. It was a silly idea. But it was silly letting them into the country anyway, because now those who started on party pills and whom wouldn't have ever tried other drugs then thought, hey, this is supposed to be similar to drug x that is illegal, but I'm getting used to this party pill, now I want that drug x.

That's what I've seen anyway.

[Boob Johnson]

so in my mind, party pill users have had to turn to harder, illegal drugs, for their recreation
Good to see you thought about the title a bit more this time Carver :msn-wink:


Just a question.......do they HAVE to turn to illegal drugs like you are suggesting? Or is that a choice they can make freely?

[RantyDave]

No, it was the right thing to do. BZP was, IIRC, something that vets used. Horse medicine or something, hence not being on any 'illegal' lists because it just never seemed apparent that anyone would take the stuff.

So, ban it? Yeah. Legalise weed? Yeah. Legalise E? Yeah. Tax the shit out of it, apply quality controls, lock up people who sell it cut with baking powder.

Dave

[skidMark]

I know alot of people that used party pills and even when they were still legal they basically all went well this is good but i hear the other stuff , illegal ectasy(sp?) etc, is even better so tried it, where as before party pills were around hardly anybody i knew would try e due to the risk of it, but party pills were seen as much safer, so they tried them then were more willing to take the risk of e because they saw the benefit of the high from party pills.

Just my observation on the matter.

[Gubb]

There's BZP-free alternatives.

Why turn to Ecstasy?

[Gubb]

No, it was the right thing to do. BZP was, IIRC, something that vets used. Horse medicine or something

Cattle Drench.

[sugilite]

I tried party pills three weeks ago. I was not planning to, but was feeling really tired and I saw them advertised at the dairy I went into. I thought they would just be like an energy drink but stronger. How wrong I was! Thought I'd give them at least one go before they are banned.

As soon as it came on I was really suprised they were legalised in the first place. Thats the way the government should have been stopped them, not this groom the way for a lucritive black market to spring up for them. Stupid idea. :mad:

Anyways, I did notice the after effects for about 4 days, esp the teeth. Did not feel to flash for the kidney and liver either. I drank shitloads of water through the whole process. They maybe other peoples cup of tea, but not mine.

I feel the banning of them would see most people buying BZP over the black market, rather than hooking up with harder drugs. I reckon most of the people that do hard drugs would have made the decision to do that, whether they had tried BZP or not.

[quallman1234]

Its a bit weird, ive taken Party Pills (and admitally stocked up a couple on the 31st) however they don't effect me.

I do think quite alot of people nowadays are going to head towards E, or BZP party pills on the "black market", The problem with the BZP one is that there is no Control's on em now!

[Gubb]

Its a bit weird, ive taken Party Pills (and admitally stocked up a couple on the 31st) however they don't effect me.

I do think quite alot of people nowadays are going to head towards E, or BZP party pills on the "black market", The problem with the BZP one is that there is no Control's on em now!

Why stock up on them if they have no effect on you?

[dangerous]

so in my mind, party pill users have had to turn to harder, illegal drugs, for their recreation.

farking loosers then, they deserve what they get... what a crock saying they "had" to turn... they could have said 'fuk that'

[Ragingrob]

Isn't there the theory that drugs such as ecstasy were actually safer than party pills? Lol I'm sure I heard that somewhere, definitely the come down period from party pills is worse than that of ecstacy from what I've heard. Having said all this, I've taken party pills in the past, the last time induced a seizure lol... But hey I wasn't taking it as advised, but who on earth does? Does anyone have pills and not drink alcohol?

Overall, good idea I think. Drugs are drugs, it's not like people can't still get a hold of anything that's illegal if you want it that bad.

[skidMark]

There's BZP-free alternatives.

Why turn to Ecstasy?


No other way to get the high.

[dangerous]

No other way to get the high.
Thats very sad then man... I get high by having decent mates, riding my bikes, sad sad life when ya have to take some shit for a high.

[McJim]

Flood the E, Acid, P, Cocaine and party pill markets with deadly poisons and get rid of an entire useless half of the population and reduce crime overnight.:done::rofl:

[Boob Johnson]

No other way to get the high.
Ever heard of skydiving? Bungy jumping? Motorcycling? And many other words ending in ing :rolleyes:

[skidMark]

Thats very sad then man... I get high by having decent mates, riding my bikes, sad sad life when ya have to take some shit for a high.

I do not, nor will i ever.

But, not all are like me, i myself get the high you speaksw of the same way.

Reminds me of this...

leuGK3pGRWU

[HornetBoy]

Why stock up on them if they have no effect on you?

probably because they are worth 3-4 times more now, than what he originally brought them for .:devil2:

i did the same ,although admittedly for my own use not to sell.:banana: but if the price was right ... :pinch:

[Ripperjon]

Its a bit weird, ive taken Party Pills (and admitally(???) stocked up a couple on the 31st) however they don't effect me.

I do think quite alot of people nowadays are going to head towards E, or BZP party pills on the "black market", The problem with the BZP one is that there is no Control's on em now!

So, you don't use them, you have stockpiled them, and you expect "black market" demand to increase.

So what's your profit target?:buggerd:

[skidMark]

Ever heard of skydiving? Bungy jumping? Motorcycling? And many other words ending in ing :rolleyes:

For them i never intended to imply i do these drugs as i do not i have never tried any drugs whatsoever.

On another note, i will never bungy jump or skydive too much risk. I like to be in control, and know my gear is done right, parachute doesnt open skydiving ya toast. Nothing you can do just fall going ahh fuck.

Another reason why i do all work except tyre changes on my own bike, even then, i only take them the wheels.

[Ripperjon]

Flood the E, Acid, P, Cocaine and party pill markets with deadly poisons and get rid of an entire useless half of the population and reduce crime overnight.:done::rofl:

Genius.

I concur

[Usarka]

On another note, i will never bungy jump or skydive too much risk. I like to be in control, and know my gear is done right, parachute doesnt open skydiving ya toast. Nothing you can do just fall going ahh fuck.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

had more oh fuck moments riding than bungying or skydiving.

if my goal is to survive the day
then between that and our roads
give me a 'chute any day

[quallman1234]

Ive only tried a couple before.
Haven't tried them all ( Never planned too).
Going to try a couple different type's before they are banned (Oh wait too late).
Is it still illegal to consume?

[NOMIS]

[QUOTE=Ragingrob;1515058]Isn't there the theory that drugs such as ecstasy were actually safer than party pills? Lol I'm sure I heard that somewhere, definitely the come down period from party pills is worse than that of ecstacy from what I've heard. Having said all this, I've taken party pills in the past, the last time induced a seizure lol... But hey I wasn't taking it as advised, but who on earth does? Does anyone have pills and not drink alcohol?

Agree! if i was government all drugs would have wayy harsher sentences.
But hey thats me straight edge don't touch anything. Still trying to give up smoking cut back heaps on drinking 3 times this year i have drunk.

But any way no one going to share those views I have haha , Nor do expect any one to.

[scumdog]

since banning party pills (BZP), there HAS been a increase in the demand for E and Acid etc...so much so that there is a shortage of Exstacy and acid.
so in my mind, party pill users have had to turn to harder, illegal drugs, for their recreation.
was it a fuckup or not, your thoughts.

Well, if drongos are going to fuck up their brains they might as well do it with decent stuff eh?

After all, if you're going to get pissed you wouldn't just use Speights would ya??

No sympathy to those who need recreational drugs to get through the night, hell if piss doesn't do it then you don't need it.

[scumdog]

Flood the E, Acid, P, Cocaine and party pill markets with deadly poisons and get rid of an entire useless half of the population and reduce crime overnight.:done::rofl:

What he sez.

Leave the world safer for us mad Scotsmen that don't need that shit to have fun eh!!

If you NEED mind altering chemicals to get loose then you're just a loser and try-hard.

Guns, V8s and motorcycles do it for me - oh, and a fine bit of rumpo in the marital chamber at Chez Scumdog.

Of course some may mistake me for a petrol-headed whit-trash red-neck eh:devil2:

[scumdog]

Cattle Drench.


Which cased spasms and convulsions in cattle and for that reason was banned.

So people with an eye for $$ found an alternative market - humans. (particularly dumb-arse humans mind you).

Humans stupider than cattle that thought they were having a good time swallowing substances that were not allowed to be adminestere to cattle, - go figure!!

Sure, I drink alcamahol - but it's legal, I don't have to drink it just because I want to get drunk.

And as I have said before: You have a shark in the swimming-pool (alcohol) so why release a barracuda and sting-ray as well ( drugs)

[McJim]

And as I have said before: You have a shark in the swimming-pool (alcohol) so why release a barracuda and sting-ray as well ( drugs)

You've been at the bourbon again haven't you?

[scumdog]

You've been at the bourbon again haven't you?

Nah, drunk all that - onto the Tequila now.:first::third: or something.

[McJim]

Nah, drunk all that - onto the Tequila now.:first::third: or something.

Probably absinthe. Especially if you're seeing sharks.

[ynot slow]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

had more oh fuck moments riding than bungying or skydiving.

if my goal is to survive the day
then between that and our roads
give me a 'chute any day

A skydiver who has passed his required number of jumps to become an instructor,will always have a reserve shute when they jump,just in case.You don't always get a second chance on the road.

[Steam]

Probably absinthe. Especially if you're seeing sharks.

absinthe!!

I bought myself a new bottle.

[scumdog]

Probably absinthe. Especially if you're seeing sharks.

Nah, cleaning me AK47 and watching 'Cops', 10/7 etc atm, how come lardy-arsed cops wearing stab/bullet proof jackets etc can still run AND catch the 'bad guys'?

Is it the 'bad-guys' consume to many recreational drugs like BZP to run well etc?

[ynot slow]

Have a really good cocktail for those who want to try something new,a drug called 5FU,only prob is ya need cancer to get the required 6 month supply.

Also try it with the odd cocktail or shooter.Reccomend a fine shooter named Gasoline (1pt southern comfort,1 pt tequila),have say 3 or 4,the odd other shooter any kind,and before doing this have say 6-8 pints of beer,topped with the afore mentioned 5FU,gives the uncanny ability to make legs feel pissed,and the marital bed to spin at revs similar to a gp bike at full revs.

If I wanted to try bzp I'd use some of dads' nilverm or cydectine.

[carver]

course choosing to drugs is a choice, but its a logical step to get something similar like e

[scumdog]

course choosing to drugs is a choice, but its a logical step to get something similar like e

And a bit of info as to what you're taking.

BZP would NOT fit into an accurate description of 'Herbal High' eh?

The only ones that have a real concern about the new laws are the purveyor or said Herbal Highs.

And if Fair Go had an investigation into that they'd be screwed under the 'Fair Trading' act.

[Conquiztador]

Lets have a look at this.

If alcohol was invented today, do you recon it would be allowed? I think that the only reason alcohol is accepted is because so much money is tied in to it. I mean, who in their right mind is gonna try to stop something that pays for sport, employment, government and is "cool"???

I have used party drugs. They got me high. But nothing like speed or coke. But they take a hell of a much longer to get down from. Days!!

How many ppl have you seen on party drugs who have crashed cars, beaten up their spouse, beaten their kids, been abusive and agressive, ended up in jail because of what they have done?

And in NZ I can recollect 2 girls who have died as a possible result of party drugs. How many die every weekend as a result of alcohol?

When you go to an nightclub, how many of the ones on partyt drugs are causing problems?

There is no research regarding party drugs damage to us. And we have been using them for what?? 5 and more years. Nothing proving that they are bad for us. (compared to alcohol...liver, brain, unborn kids etc) But you might say that we should stop them until we know. OK, so what abot all the other stuff we use and we don't know? Prozac. There is nothing telling us what has happened to chlidren born to mothers who use prozac...

It is easy to jump on the wagon and scream: BANN THE STUFF!!! But do you know of anything bad that has happened as a result of the party drugs??? I dont.

Where do we stop? There used to be Cocaine in Coca Cola. Today Cocaine in Cola is banned. Now there is Caffeine. Give it a few years and coffe is banned.

No wonder I wanted, as kid, to find a spaceship to take me away from here...

[flyingcrocodile46]

Shouldn't we be more concerned about the international rise in use of "Butt Hash"?.

Personally, I can't wait to see future Police Ten 7 shows featuring raids on Butt Hash factories. :lol:

[scumdog]

Lets have a look at this.


I have used party drugs. They got me high. But nothing like speed or coke. But they take a hell of a much longer to get down from. Days!!

How many ppl have you seen on party drugs who have crashed cars, beaten up their spouse, beaten their kids, been abusive and agressive, ended up in jail because of what they have done?

And in NZ I can recollect 2 girls who have died as a possible result of party drugs. How many die every weekend as a result of alcohol?

.

Fuck up you simplistic twat - a shit load of of problems are caused by those on 'Party Pills' AND in conjunction with other substances, mainly including alcohol.


I deal with shit-loads of people who are on 'harmless' substances - mixed with alcohol, normally lots of alcohol..

If they would only stick with the 'party pills' or similar I would give them a bit of credence.

[Conquiztador]

Fuck up you simplistic twat - a shit load of of problems are caused by those on 'Party Pills' AND in conjunction with other substances, mainly including alcohol.


I deal with shit-loads of people who are on 'harmless' substances - mixed with alcohol, normally lots of alcohol..

If they would only stick with the 'party pills' or similar I would give them a bit of credence.

I used to respect you on here. Realised that you were in the force and thought: "Hey, here is a guy who is in a blue suit but still has his feet in reality". You just killed that. Not once have I called you names.

Far as I am concerned you are like all others in a blue suit: Thinking that they know best. Sadly people like me have to fix the shit you guys create. And trust me it is not created by party pills. Simplistic? Right... Tell me what justifies that? Your high education perhaps...

You think you know it all as you ride a bike. You think that because you sit on a HD you belong... Dude, you have seen nothing. It is not what you ride, it is who you are. Soon as ppl know you are blue they will clam up. I do the same.

I have never had any interest in associating with ppl from the force. Reason being that I can not trust them. They turn as soon as it suits them.

And re the issue here. Tell me, what is your experience here? Have you trialled any of the drugs? Yeah, you see ppl everyday high. I give you that. But we are talking about party drugs here. Is thet the reason there is a problem? Do you really belive that as a result of the banning of them your work will become better. Time to wake up to the reality blueboy.

You are just a puppet spewing out what the force is telling you to do. Do me a favour and go away and come back when you have your own opinions.

[DingoZ]

I have never had any interest in associating with ppl from the force. Reason being that I can not trust them. They turn as soon as it suits them.



If that is your opinion then the PM you sent me in regards to the holiday program, you can kiss that goodbye...As I work for NZ Police....

[Conquiztador]

If that is your opinion then the PM you sent me in regards to the holiday program, you can kiss that goodbye...As I work for NZ Police....

Point proved

[DingoZ]

Point proved

How is that proving your point.

Why would I wish to associate with someone who has that opinion on someone they have not met, or know..

You have never met me.
I have never met you
How the hell do you base whether you can trust someone solely based on whom they work for, or what they do for a living.

[Conquiztador]

How is that proving your point.

Why would I wish to associate with someone who has that opinion on someone they have not met, or know..

I give everyone a chance. Read my post. Scummy has just blown his.

[skidMark]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

had more oh fuck moments riding than bungying or skydiving.

if my goal is to survive the day
then between that and our roads
give me a 'chute any day


Yeah but if the bike ran wide mid corner heading at a giant tree with a rare panda just jumped on the bike as pillion putting you on one wheel giving you no control whatsoever, thats your last oh fuck moment.

If that parachute dont open you are toast, the bike you have control.

One of the reasons i really hate going pillion on a ibke unless i trust the rider fully. and i mean fully.

[scumdog]

I used to respect you on here. Realised that you were in the force and thought: "Hey, here is a guy who is in a blue suit but still has his feet in reality". You just killed that. Not once have I called you names.

Far as I am concerned you are like all others in a blue suit: Thinking that they know best. Sadly people like me have to fix the shit you guys create. And trust me it is not created by party pills. Simplistic? Right... Tell me what justifies that? Your high education perhaps...

You think you know it all as you ride a bike. You think that because you sit on a HD you belong... Dude, you have seen nothing. It is not what you ride, it is who you are. Soon as ppl know you are blue they will clam up. I do the same.

I have never had any interest in associating with ppl from the force. Reason being that I can not trust them. They turn as soon as it suits them.

And re the issue here. Tell me, what is your experience here? Have you trialled any of the drugs? Yeah, you see ppl everyday high. I give you that. But we are talking about party drugs here. Is thet the reason there is a problem? Do you really belive that as a result of the banning of them your work will become better. Time to wake up to the reality blueboy.

You are just a puppet spewing out what the force is telling you to do. Do me a favour and go away and come back when you have your own opinions.


On one statement (you simplistic twat) you hang a whole lot of assumptions, amazing how fragile your assesment of people is.

I was merely testing you - and you failed to measure up.

Must be an age thing.

[Conquiztador]

How is that proving your point.

Why would I wish to associate with someone who has that opinion on someone they have not met, or know..

You have never met me.
I have never met you
How the hell do you base whether you can trust someone solely based on whom they work for, or what they do for a living.

Ok so you edited your post.

Here: As I said I give everyone a chance. I contacted you because of your artistic talent (that I still recon is outstanding, but I now realise that you might have a problem to do what we discussed) I did not care about what you did for a living. Still don't. That would never have entered the equation. Sadly it seems that people who do work in the force do not have the right to separate work and private life.

One of my pet subjects: If you are a police and in the bikie scene and you learn about something as a result of being a bikie, will you use that knowledge at work???...

Regarding the trust: If you read my post I state that scummy just proves my point, that I have realised that I can not trust anyone in blue. But maybe you could prove me wrong?

We are all humans. We will make decisions based on our knowledge and experience. I do not dislike police. Far from it. But very few of them have proven me wrong in regards what I have learnt through the years.

And one more thing: Don't you find it interesting that even here on KB there is heaps of bikers arguing, debating, contemplating heaps of stuff. And all have different opinions and take different sides. Apart from the blue, they stick together...

[Conquiztador]

On one statement (you simplistic twat) you hang a whole lot of assumptions, amazing how fragile your assesment of people is.

I was merely testing you - and you failed to measure up.

Must be an age thing.

Do not assume things. It is the biggest fuckup you can do. You started the name calling. I was dissappointed as I was expecting more from you. Debate, prove me wrong, but to sink to namecalling...

I am antisocial, arrogant and abrasive. And I dont really give a fuck about others opinions. And I don't play games. My boys do that. They are below teens. Perhaps I should introduce you?

[scumdog]

Yeah, you see ppl everyday high. I give you that. But we are talking about party drugs here. Is thet the reason there is a problem? Do you really belive that as a result of the banning of them your work will become better. Time to wake up to the reality blueboy.

You are just a puppet spewing out what the force is telling you to do. Do me a favour and go away and come back when you have your own opinions.


Wake up you Pollyanna. (And I don't mean in in a nasty way - more of a "wake up and smell the coffee" way.)

I see party drugs AND BOOZE and the results.

Rarely do they come one without the other.

And the problems I have to deal with (unlike you I suspect) are not what the 'pro party pill' people ever have to deal with - most of them just want to see the $$$ pour in.

Ban party pills, lift the drinking age.


I am NOT a puppet 'spewing out" what the force (whatever THAT is) tells me to do.

Oh I've been around a fair bit so I don't need anybody to tell me what to think, I see and deal with the effects of so many 'harmless' drugs (ok, often mixed with alcohol)..

And how many times HAVE you met me that you're qualified to judge me???

And how many that HAVE met me have you spoken to????

[scumdog]

Do not assume things. It is the biggest fuckup you can do. You started the name calling. I was dissappointed as I was expecting more from you. Debate, prove me wrong, but to sink to namecalling...

I am antisocial, arrogant and abrasive. And I dont really give a fuck about others opinions. And I don't play games. My boys do that. They are below teens. Perhaps I should introduce you?

I feel you should follow what you preach - after all what part of what I said made you change your mind??

And I explained my 'name calling' - and they're will be more of that.

[scumdog]

I give everyone a chance. Read my post. Scummy has just blown his.

Like Scummy really cares.

[Conquiztador]

Wake up you Pollyanna. (And I don't mean in in a nasty way - more of a "wake up and smell the coffee" way.)

I see party drugs AND BOOZE and the results.

Rarely do they come one without the other.

And the problems I have to deal with (unlike you I suspect) are not what the 'pro party pill' people ever have to deal with - most of them just want to see the $$$ pour in.

Ban party pills, lift the drinking age.


I am NOT a puppet 'spewing out" what the force (whatever THAT is) tells me to do.

Oh I've been around a fair bit, I don't need anybody to tell me what to think.

And how many times have you met me that you're qualified to judge me???

And how many that HAVE met me have you spoken to????

Lol.

Pollyanne. I could almost live with that. Imagine have that below the pic...

Anyhow:

So you see party drugs AND booze. And you think that because the party drugs are banned the problem will go away???

Right. I used to work in a rehab. When one drug become scarce another took over. The ppl that use party drugs WANT to use drugs. The ones that hate drugs will not use party drugs.

That what really pees me off, that people do not seem to realise that the ones using party drugs are the ones that WANT to get high. Because there is legal party drugs they will get them, easy, cheap and no chance to get busted by scummy.

It's like tagging. Ban the paint cans and they find another way to tag.

All from the wrong end.

Shit scummy, I rather deal with someone on party pills and booze then e or p and booze anyday...

[Conquiztador]

I feel you should follow what you preach - after all what part of what I said made you change your mind??

And I explained my 'name calling' - and they're will be more of that.

Dude you want to call me names go for it. It will not change my sleeping habits. Knock your self silly if it is what makes you tick.

[scumdog]

Fair comment - but since I've been wearing the blue I've noticed the drop in the drinking age (not good) and the introduction of 'party pills' (what void did they ever fill?) which made things worse.

Not just my observations but what the young ones told me.

Take away the party pills? - well I dunno if that will fix things but what were the young ones taking BEFORE they became available???

And rathe rdeal with those on booze nd 'p' or 'e' than party pills? Me too.

But down here the ones now using party pills were never the ones using 'p' or 'e'.

They just use to use booze -- now they add BZP to it.

The 'p' and 'e' (very rarely used down here) users never use to use much booze anyway.

[Conquiztador]

Like Scummy really cares.

No, I am sure you don't. You can always hang around with your blue mates. Who cares about reality when you have ppl around you who encourages your view???

[scumdog]

Dude you want to call me names go for it. It will not change my sleeping habits. Knock your self silly if it is what makes you tick.

Hey easy on 'your silly self' eh - it could be seen as being name calling.

But on topic: ban booze and any other mind -bending supstances and I'd almost be out of a job.

And if I was? - well if the drugs/booze were gone I'd be happy, I'd get another job, after all, I have only 5 - 10 years before I retire anyway so anything to keep me busy and pay would do.

Hey, I could work at rehab somewhere - wouldn't be to much work though and it would be a cruisy number eh??

[scumdog]

No, I am sure you don't. You can always hang around with your blue mates. Who cares about reality when you have ppl around you who encourages your view???

WHO deals with 'reality'??

D'you think somebody TOLD me the shit I've been talking about?? my 'blue' mates? get a grip.

I don't need anybody to 'encourage' my view - I see it as it is, always have, always will.
Had the same attitiude when I was a freezing worker, woollen mill worker or whatever.

[Conquiztador]

Fair comment - but since I've been wearing the blue I've noticed the drop in the drinking age (not good) and the introduction of 'party pills' (what void did they ever fill?) which made things worse.

Not just my observations but what the young ones told me.

Take away the party pills? - well I dunno if that will fix things but what were the young ones taking BEFORE they became available???

And rathe rdeal with those on booze nd 'p' or 'e' than party pills? Me too.

But down here the ones now using party pills were never the ones using 'p' or 'e'.

They just use to use booze -- now they add BZP to it.

The 'p' and 'e' (very rarely used down here) users never use to use much booze anyway.


Sorry, can not comment on all that as I do not live down there. I can just go by what I have seen and what my 19yo does (and his mates). Add to that my experience from past.

The reality is that if someone wants to get high they will find a way. If we then allow them to do that by giving them a substance that we can controll and monitor, does that not make sense? (Here I have to admit that I am devided. Should we go for allowing party pills or glue sniffing...shit, that is such a hard one...)

I landed in NZ 20 odd years ago and apart from Oz this would have to been the country where it was the easiest to get dope (and I have been in Amsterdam where it is sold on the streets..) The first thing I noticed was that parties in NZ finished at midnight. I could not understand why. Then it hit me: Everyone was high and got paranoid...

Dope aside, there was never a lack of speed. Bags of it. From memory $50/bag in those days. Sure, there was smack etc also, but not so open. My point is, that even 20 odd years ago if you wanted to get high there was something available.

To say that because it was on the shelf it suddenly became something that was OK and that everyone used is bull. The ppl who do only drink a drink or two per evening would not touch it. The ones who just want to get wasted no matter what shit they use, they were happy to take it (seen it). Nothing changed. Just become less mystified.

Now it is back to the back alley stuff. The "Psstt.. You got a score dude??"

How long we had party drugs? 5 years? Are you gonna show me any evidence that something in NZ has gotten worse because of it???

U are in the force. U have seen many other changes in the last 10 years. The street gangs, the boy racers, the fight clubs, the attitude, the lack of respect. I was actually thinking that by allowing party drugs to be sold openly NZ we were coming up with a solution. Silly me. Lets just join all the others that have no solutions and try to fix things by banning. After all, NZ does not have to lead the way. Lets just do the same mistakes that everyone else is doing.

[Conquiztador]

Hey, I could work at rehab somewhere - wouldn't be to much work though and it would be a cruisy number eh??

Right. I can see that you have the skills...

[scumdog]

How long we had party drugs? 5 years? Are you gonna show me any evidence that something in NZ has gotten worse because of it???

And by no coincidence how long has the drinking age been 18??

Ask any cop who has to pick up party-pilled out and drunk teenagers what their thoughts are, I put money on it they will be thinking pretty much the same as me.

Ask them what things were like pre party pills and pre18 year old drinking age and they will also tell you the same.

I work out there, I don't need any pressure or brain-washing to tell me what goes on or how things go.

BTW: Due to my comments and their observations my sons (22 and 17) don't do shit that adles their mind barring the odd boozy night out.

Their comment? - "Dad, there are people out there taking drugs and pills and the ones that do it the most are the ones I reckon shouldn't be doing them".

[Conquiztador]

WHO deals with 'reality'??

D'you think somebody TOLD me the shit I've been talking about?? my 'blue' mates? get a grip.

I don't need anybody to 'encourage' my view - I see it as it is, always have, always will.
Had the same attitiude when I was a freezing worker, woollen mill worker or whatever.

That really brings up something that needs a thread of it's own (or even a site of it self, I am sure there are ones already)

Reality. What is reality? You would know when interviewing 2 ppl at a scene that seldom they have seen the same thing. They will give you their reality. Then you will interpret (sp?) your reality from that. Suddenly we have 3 realities.

One that many have experience of is a breakup. There is always 2 sides. You are 100% sure that your side is true. But same can be said about the other...

And scummy, we all base our opinions on something. Our subconcious is directing this. Here: Tell a child that he is useless for years and he will believe that he is. Tell him for years that he is just awesome and he will believe that. Sadly same thing applies when in the blue. And I am not blaiming you. Not at all. But there is a view that becomes a norm. And it will colour your thinking. And it is not only associated to police, it works in most professions.

Back to reality. You have 5 people in a room and you have 5 realities.

[scumdog]

Back to reality. You have 5 people in a room and you have 5 realities.

And THAT is one of the skills of my job - finding out from those 5 what the true reality is.

And fending off the others that think their 'reality' is the truth.

A trait you gain from being on this planet for more than a few years...

And a break up? _ just like any other job I attend "There is always two sides to every story" - and any cop will tell you the same.

[Conquiztador]

Their comment? - "Dad, there are people out there taking drugs and pills and the ones that do it the most are the ones I reckon shouldn't be doing them".

And you recon those will stop because party pills are banned?? There will always be ppl using drugs. And they will go for the ones that are easiest to get. So stop the party drugs at the shops, they will get something from the street corners.

This thread was about party drugs, you and me have touched on many other issues, but coming back to the initial question: My answer is still NO, it is a mistake!

[scumdog]

And you recon those will stop because party pills are banned?? There will always be ppl using drugs. And they will go for the ones that are easiest to get. So stop the party drugs at the shops, they will get something from the street corners.

This thread was about party drugs, you and me have touched on many other issues, but coming back to the initial question: My answer is still NO, it is a mistake!

They banned the casual buying of AK47s a few years back, I've noticed they're not so common these days...

And people haven't moved on to MP5s, M16s, Mac10s or whatever you perceive as worse than AK47s..

[Conquiztador]

They banned the casual buying of AK47s a few years back, I've noticed they're not so common these days...

And people haven't moved on to MP5s, M16s, Mac10s or whatever you perceive as worse than AK47s..

Again I expected more from you. But that is what the assumption does to you.

How many AK47 manufacturing cottages have you busted lately???

And in my earlier post I said:
"And in NZ I can recollect 2 girls who have died as a possible result of party drugs. How many die every weekend as a result of alcohol?"

You never commented re that. Wonder why? I have a suspicion that you also use alcohol. Therefore trying to ban it might be seen as strange... But let's ban party drugs as I don't use them anyhow!!

[Conquiztador]

Hey easy on 'your silly self' eh - it could be seen as being name calling.

But on topic: ban booze and any other mind -bending supstances and I'd almost be out of a job.

And if I was? - well if the drugs/booze were gone I'd be happy, I'd get another job, after all, I have only 5 - 10 years before I retire anyway so anything to keep me busy and pay would do.

Hey, I could work at rehab somewhere - wouldn't be to much work though and it would be a cruisy number eh??


LOL. If I wanted to call you names you would not have to guess.

Get this; I would like a world without the problems booze and drugs create for children. But I am realist. It will not happen. (Once again my solution to ALL the worlds problems: If every parent took care of their kids all our problems would be gone). So I settle for the second best: A world where we have some controll over the azzwipes who care more re drugs then life. By stopping party drugs we are back to square one.

What now MR Scummy? Legalise dope...

And re you working in a rehab. Cant be bothered searching, but I am sure you pointed out that you dislike people on drugs and that you have to deal with them on regular basis. Right. Just the kind of person that really has compassion we want working in a rehab...

[Conquiztador]

And THAT is one of the skills of my job - finding out from those 5 what the true reality is.

And fending off the others that think their 'reality' is the truth.

A trait you gain from being on this planet for more than a few years...

And a break up? _ just like any other job I attend "There is always two sides to every story" - and any cop will tell you the same.

Bedtime. But have just purchased a bike!! (Well, one more that is...)

Anyhow, missed this gem.

You have 5 people and you get the info outta them. That becomes your reality. Not the truth. Sadly as someone is in the force he has the right to decide what is reality.

[dangerous]

fark me, you guys just put ya post counts through the roof...


You are just a puppet spewing out what the force is telling you to do. Do me a favour and go away and come back when you have your own opinions.
Na, sorry man but you defnitly have that all wrong, I wont explain...

As for the rest of your anti copper post, well you obvisiouly have never gotten to know the right people possiby cos you only asociate with your own kind, HOWEVER I would agree when it comes to the big wigs some of them I would to never trust eg; the Scott Watson case... how ever like every thing in this world its the minority screwing it for the majority.

Now you mentioned your job, what is that? this way we will have a beter understanding of where ya comming from.

[Sparrowhawk]

I know a great way to get high. Jump on yer bike, and go for a blat on the open road. Legal, and a shite load more fun!
I agree with Sugilite, I tried them once, felt like absolute crap for a week.

[jonbuoy]

Good riddance - they were shit anyway.

[jim.cox]

Jump on yer bike, and go for a blat on the open road. Legal, and a shite load more fun!


Legal only depending on how you ride !

[Hitcher]

There are several words that can be used to describe people incapable of having fun without consuming mind-altering substances. And people incapable of taking responsibility for their actions.

These "folk" should all be deported to Afghanistan, where mind-altering drugs are like really cheap and where there's a like really good cellular network so they can text each other as well. Like.

[jonbuoy]

There are several words that can be used to describe people incapable of having fun without consuming mind-altering substances. And people incapable of taking responsibility for their actions.

These "folk" should all be deported to Afghanistan, where mind-altering drugs are like really cheap and where there's a like really good cellular network so they can text each other as well. Like.

True - if you can't have fun with a cup of coco and a copy of Roget's Thesaurus there must be something wrong with you.

[Deano]

No sympathy to those who need recreational drugs to get through the night, hell if piss doesn't do it then you don't need it.


Bwahahahaha - the hypocrisy astounds me.

I have a diabetic friend who cannot drink and likes to have a toke on his birthday each year.

Lock him up quick !!

[scumdog]

Bwahahahaha - the hypocrisy astounds me.

I have a diabetic friend who cannot drink and likes to have a toke on his birthday each year.

Lock him up quick !!

So I wasn't TOO subtle for you then??
<_<

[dangerous]

Bwahahahaha - the hypocrisy astounds me.

I have a diabetic friend who cannot drink and likes to have a toke on his birthday each year.

Lock him up quick !!

ohh come on Deano, thats not what SD is going on about, what you describe is harmless we all know that, maybe your friend might like some ear rings like scumies LOL :msn-wink:


ps: I wondered why you didnt drink :apint:
pps: what the hell you riding in ya avatar?

[ElCoyote]

Lets have a look at this.

It is easy to jump on the wagon and scream: BANN THE STUFF!!! But do you know of anything bad that has happened as a result of the party drugs??? I dont.

They said the same thing about Thalidomide and 15 years later you were born. Too bad they didn't figure out the long term effects earlier. But then there were probably people who said what's the harm.