Anti-smacking bill petition where do I sign?

[rphenix]

I hear on the radio that the Anti-smacking bill is short of 1,500 signatures to force a referendum now my only question is where do I sign? Can't seem to find info anywhere.

[judecatmad]

I hear on the radio that the Anti-smacking bill is short of 1,500 signatures to force a referendum now my only question is where do I sign? Can't seem to find info anywhere.

http://www.familyfirst.org.nz/files/CIR%20MAY07.pdf

Go here, print it off, sign it, send it back. ASAP.

[scracha]

http://www.familyfirst.org.nz/files/CIR%20MAY07.pdf

Go here, print it off, sign it, send it back. ASAP.

So it would be more of a "pro smacking" bill? Hell, I'm all for battering children...never did me any harm

[RDJ]

Actually, it would be more in the nature of having parents take responsibility for their children's upbringing rather than delegating it to the Government.

[Big Dan]

I hear on the radio that the Anti-smacking bill is short of 1,500 signatures to force a referendum now my only question is where do I sign? Can't seem to find info anywhere.

I think KB should have its own refarendum

rphenix any chance you could add a poll

[LilSel]

I thought they said 18,000 on the news??

Have to be enrolled to vote for your signature to 'count'

[Skyryder]

I thought they made themselves look like a right bunch of dickheads. Bunch of clowns looking for their fifteen minutes of fame.

It's a dead issue. Not even U turn Key is going to run with this one.



Skyryder

[skidMark]

So it would be more of a "pro smacking" bill? Hell, I'm all for battering children...never did me any harm


Prettymuch, they need punishment when they fuck up or they will wild im not saying beat the crap out of them.

a clip across the head/ spank on the bum puts a kid in line pretty quick though.

Makes them associate fucking up with pain....

Means they fuck up less.

[Big Dan]

Prettymuch, they need punishment when they fuck up or they will wild im not saying beat the crap out of them.

a clip across the head/ spank on the bum puts a kid in line pretty quick though.

Makes them associate fucking up with pain....

Means they fuck up less.

but that will teach them that if they see something stuff up as adult then they might then think they can hurt that person

[Lias]

I thought they made themselves look like a right bunch of dickheads. Bunch of clowns looking for their fifteen minutes of fame.

It's a dead issue. Not even U turn Key is going to run with this one.



Skyryder

Its a much more important issue than campaigning to free a scumbag looser from jail :Pokey:

[Skyryder]

Its a much more important issue than campaigning to free a scumbag looser from jail :Pokey:

Is this the best response you can come up with, the right to hit your kids as you choose as against advocating the freeing of an innocent man from jail??

Skyryder.

[ManDownUnder]

Is there a time limit on how soon the remaining signatures need to be collected?

I've signed it and would love to see it gog forward but I also understand it goes against one of the UN charters. PC at a global level, and the Govt would be frowned upon by the international community, risking sanctions of whatever sort... i.e. they'd be scared to do it - preferring to annoy the voters instead.

Is that the real reason for not going forward with it?

Harold reports it's 15,000 short... (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10507015)

[MisterD]

Is this the best response you can come up with, the right to hit your kids as you choose as against advocating the freeing of an innocent man from jail??

Skyryder.

The future upbringing of thousands of kids versus one bloke in prison? I'd say Lias has it right.

[Skyryder]

Is there a time limit on how soon the remaining signatures need to be collected?

I've signed it and would love to see it gog forward but I also understand it goes against one of the UN charters. PC at a global level, and the Govt would be frowned upon by the international community, risking sanctions of whatever sort... i.e. they'd be scared to do it - preferring to annoy the voters instead.

Is that the real reason for not going forward with it?

Harold reports it's 15,000 short... (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10507015)

As I understand the time limit may run out before this could go into a general election referendum. Saw something on the news about this but in all honesty did not take too much notice. There are time factors involved.

With all due respect to those that believe in overturning the Anti S bill it simply is not going to happen. National have voted in favour of the legislation and it was changed to accommidate their views. They are not going to change that no matter what or how many voters sign. Their political credibility will be open for all the world to see.

The organsers of this petition have cocked up. One of the basics that you do before presenting a petition to Parliment is to check that all the dots and I's have been crossed. These guys in their egerness did not bother to do that It's not that they did not have the volenters or the numbers, they just did not bother to check. Dumb dumb and stil dumb.


Skyryder

[Skyryder]

The future upbringing of thousands of kids versus one bloke in prison? I'd say Lias has it right.

Of course that's providing it's not 'you' in prison and innocent.

And there is a lot more to bring up kids than having the right to hit them.



Skyyrder

[MisterD]

With all due respect to those that believe in overturning the Anti S bill it simply is not going to happen. National have voted in favour of the legislation and it was changed to accommidate their views. They are not going to change that no matter what or how many voters sign. Their political credibility will be open for all the world to see.

I disagree, Key was very clear at the time parliament voted, that he was just making the best of a bad bill that would pass anyway. I clear mandate from a referendum, and it's gone.



The organsers of this petition have cocked up. One of the basics that you do before presenting a petition to Parliment is to check that all the dots and I's have been crossed. These guys in their egerness did not bother to do that It's not that they did not have the volenters or the numbers, they just did not bother to check.

I clearly recall an interview at the time the petition was started, when they were talking about the need to get over the basic numbers as they expected a certain proportion to be disqualified...they just didn't expect the high proportion that did get cut out. To say I'm cynical about the impartiality of whatever government department was doing the checking though...they should have been doing Mugabe's recount I reckon.

[MisterD]

And there is a lot more to bring up kids than having the right to hit them.


Yeah, but at a time when society is already suffering from a lack of boundaries being given to kids, to take a proven and effective thing like a smack on the bum, out of a parent's "toolbox" is just stupid...

It's bad law, because ordinary parents like me will just ignore it.

[Lias]

Of course that's providing it's not 'you' in prison and innocent.

And there is a lot more to bring up kids than having the right to hit them.

Skyyrder

In my not so humble opinion, there is a pretty vast difference between smacking your child, and hitting your child. I smack my children with an open hand, on the bum. I then sit down with them, and explain exactly why they got a smack, and give hugs as needed. You and others like you believe that I should face the same punishment for that as if I punched them in the face repeatedly. Both are "assault" under the law as it stands now.

Words cannot really sum up my feelings with regards to that, but I think "Fuck that" is perhaps the closest I can get.

[Skyryder]

I disagree, Key was very clear at the time parliament voted, that he was just making the best of a bad bill that would pass anyway. I clear mandate from a referendum, and it's gone.


I clearly recall an interview at the time the petition was started, when they were talking about the need to get over the basic numbers as they expected a certain proportion to be disqualified...they just didn't expect the high proportion that did get cut out. To say I'm cynical about the impartiality of whatever government department was doing the checking though...they should have been doing Mugabe's recount I reckon.


If Key had have been honest he would have voted against the Bill. He did not. If as you say Key was making the best of a bad bill that would pass anyway (and I have no reason to doubt you) then on that basis the Nats would vote for 'all' of Labours Bills as they have the numbers to get them passed. Now you can see how silly Key really is and for those that believe his protestations all I can say is to look a bit deeper into his utterances. That people actually believe him...................:shit: it's just unbelievable.


Skyryder

[MisterD]

If Key had have been honest he would have voted against the Bill. He did not. If as you say Key was making the best of a bad bill that would pass anyway (and I have no reason to doubt you) then on that basis the Nats would vote for 'all' of Labours Bills as they have the numbers to get them passed. Now you can see how silly Key really is and for those that believe his protestations all I can say is to look a bit deeper into his utterances. That people actually believe him...................:shit: it's just unbelievable.



Key supported the bill on the condition that it was amended to specifically give the police the ability to disregard trivial matters - it's just a pity they're not using that ability, and cases like that GI bloke make it to court before charges are dropped..

[Grahameeboy]

Key supported the bill on the condition that it was amended to specifically give the police the ability to disregard trivial matters - it's just a pity they're not using that ability, and cases like that GI bloke make it to court before charges are dropped..

How many cases have there been.

I agree with the Bill...there are plenty of cases for other alleged offences that go to Court and get dismissed, that's the system.

Remember the Police refer case to the PP for a decision on whether to proceed.

[Skyryder]

Key supported the bill on the condition that it was amended to specifically give the police the ability to disregard trivial matters - it's just a pity they're not using that ability, and cases like that GI bloke make it to court before charges are dropped..

It was a sop. The police already have discreatonary powers. Key insisted that this be put into the bill as a 'politcal face saver.'

It is not that unusual for offenders to go into the courts and the court to dismiss the charge. It's one of the ways the system works.


Skyryder

[PrincessBandit]

There are plenty of churches which would be running organised signature drives so perhaps check those out?
As far as the government is concerned, I don't want to be pessimistic but no matter how much one party might be vocally against something if they get into power they just turn around and say "well, we didn't bring it into being, but we all just have to live with it now". Convenient way of keeping an unpopular policy while not accepting the blame for it being in place.