Court Tues 27/05

[NOMIS]

Carrying on from my last thread
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=70260&highlight=nomis

I have court next Tuesday, And I have been denied legalaid, so far the cheapest lawyer I have found is $500-600 for a hour and half defendant hearing.

I will be asking for the court to put this case off to another date as I was denied legal aid and want to hire my own lawyer.

Does anybody no a good lawyer ( preferably cheaper if there is such thing ) that can help me defend my case.? My work lawyer is no longer available to me. Cheers for any advice.

[Tank]

Does anybody no a good lawyer ( preferably cheaper if there is such thing ) that can help me defend my case.?

A good and cheap lawyer - sure thing - hes standing behind he unicorn.

[NOMIS]

A good and cheap lawyer - sure thing - hes standing behind he unicorn.

thought so.... aparntly I can "afford one" don't think so. argghhh

[Tank]

thought so.... aparntly I can "afford one" don't think so. argghhh

I think they mean you can afford a lawyer - they dont place any need for you to have a good one.

Depending on the risk of the fine / penalty you may want to simply defend yourself?

[NOMIS]

I think they mean you can afford a lawyer - they dont place any need for you to have a good one.

Depending on the risk of the fine / penalty you may want to simply defend yourself?

yeh I no but they will probabally win if I do that. Risk is- loose my licence 6months, bike impounded for 3months.

Really need to keep my licence for work ect ect and I generally do not want to loose it. And the fact that Im not guilty as well.

[gijoe1313]

Sounds like you are between a rock and hard place ... my bro had to pay a coupla thousand years ago to defend his court case. He did get off with reduced penalties and still able to keep his licence.

He did say having squiddies to pay the lawyer was a handy thing indeed! :whistle:

[Nasty]

yeh I no but they will probabally win if I do that. Risk is- loose my licence 6months, bike impounded for 3months.

Really need to keep my licence for work ect ect and I generally do not want to loose it. And the fact that Im not guilty as well.


If you do loose your licence you can apply for exemption for the period of your working hours so that you can drive/ride during that time - if your work requires it. If your work does not require it I don't think that you can get an exemption .. e.g. you just need to get to work .. .might not work.

[xwhatsit]

Remember, above all, to be polite to the overbearing authority figures.

I hate blind authority too, but being polite and civil and speaking nicely generally wins you goodwill instead of pissing them off by getting upset and abusing them.

[NOMIS]

If you do loose your licence you can apply for exemption for the period of your working hours so that you can drive/ride during that time - if your work requires it. If your work does not require it I don't think that you can get an exemption .. e.g. you just need to get to work .. .might not work.

Yes but applying for one again is more $$$ I have already lost out on enough by taking days off work and its like a bloody anoying fleebite that keeps itching. Imsure there used to people just weighing it up and thinking...........

............. Pleed guilty loose licence, cost's minimal, defend win pay thousands.... Starting to think its not bloody worth the hassel. oh well guess I can always watch some more judge judy and boston legal and do it my self huh.

[peasea]

Fight it all the way, plead not guilty, clog the system, deny, deny, deny. NEVER plead guilty to anything.

What is your license worth to you?

I lost mine for the summer but it didn't make a lick of difference to me. I applied for a work license and got it, paid a lawyer etc and kept a bullshit log, it's all about the money, make no mistake.

[NOMIS]

Fight it all the way, plead not guilty, clog the system, deny, deny, deny. NEVER plead guilty to anything.

What is your license worth to you?

I lost mine for the summer but it didn't make a lick of difference to me. I applied for a work license and got it, paid a lawyer etc and kept a bullshit log, it's all about the money, make no mistake.

Yeh think I will pop in and see a duty lawyer and tell them I want to plead not guilty but ask for a new hearing date in order to employ a lawyer, Ill make sure I see the cop is there first so I can waste a bit of his time to.

When it comes around to it and if i cant afford it I will defend my self anyway.

[peasea]

Yeh think I will pop in and see a duty lawyer and tell them I want to plead not guilty but ask for a new hearing date in order to employ a lawyer, Ill make sure I see the cop is there first so I can waste a bit of his time to.

When it comes around to it and if i cant afford it I will defend my self anyway.


That's the story, jerk everyone around for as long as possible. Keep up the good work and let us know how you get on.

[spudchucka]

Ill make sure I see the cop is there first so I can waste a bit of his time to.

That'll teach him. Why don't you just defend yourself, judges love people that take the initiative.

[NOMIS]

That'll teach him. Why don't you just defend yourself, judges love people that take the initiative.

Yeh I guess it will come down to that. Ill drag is out for a bit see if it difuses its self and comes to a end ( I no it wont ) but Ill drag it out another few months then defend my self, Get a few episodes of boston legal under my belt and I should be ok.

[barty5]

Yeh I guess it will come down to that. Ill drag is out for a bit see if it difuses its self and comes to a end ( I no it wont ) but Ill drag it out another few months then defend my self, Get a few episodes of boston legal under my belt and I should be ok.

Only prob with draging it out if you do loose your licence it will be over summer you loose it not winter.

[spudchucka]

Get a few episodes of boston legal under my belt and I should be ok.

Yep, a good impersonation of Denny Crane should do the trick.

[munterk6]

A few years back I got stopped with 4 mates for doin 155kph in a 100 zone coming out of the Lindis. The cop was a bit out of his depth with 5 pissed off bikers lookin hard at him, so he wrote us all tickets and said "I'll let a judge to sort you lot out". We then rode away into the distance(on the rear wheel)
We got a real good traffic specialist lawyer( bent as a pie-cart fork, we part paid him in illicit goods and cash) and he stalled the court hearing off for 6 months. He GUARANTEED us we would get off.
We had a strategy meeting with him just before the court case(in Oamaru with two old JP's who new shit about law) and he told us all to change our appearances, wear ordinary clothes, bring 3 mates extra along and all have crash helmets(not our own) in hand.
All 8 of us sat in the front row of the court and the lawyer proceeded to tie up the prosecuting sergeant and his witness, the cop that busted us, in legal jargon and points of law. It was hilarious, I almost laughed aloud in court!
He then reminded the cop about the identification of the defendants that was needed to be carried out (legal requirement in a court case).
The cop that had stopped us all 6 months previously got all our names etc mixed up BECAUSE HE HAD NOT DONE HIS HOMEWORK THE NIGHT BEFORE!!!
At that point our lawyer had a word to the JP's and low nd behold...case dismissed.
The lawyer sought reparation for our travel costs, time off work, lawyers fees etc, but the JP's declined it.
Upshot of it was....we kept our licenses, no record, and no fines to pay!
Result.
Who ever said honesty is the best policy???

Obviously not a lawyer lol! :Police: :niceone:

Hope all goes well for you in your fight to keep your licence :soon:

[peasea]

Exceeding the speed limit in the Lindis??? You should have all been hung by the testicles until dead. Laughing in the face of justice????

"Hang 'em up again..."

I'm surprised you all managed to make it to court; don't you know speed kills? I know a piece of me died after clocking 170 in the old pushrod V8 on Saturday on the way to Mohikinui. Just after I backed off a cop in what looked like an old Hilux (yup, even the cops are hillbillies round there) went the other way!

Chucklefest!

[barty5]

A few years back I got stopped with 4 mates for doin 155kph in a 100 zone coming out of the Lindis. The cop was a bit out of his depth with 5 pissed off bikers lookin hard at him, so he wrote us all tickets and said "I'll let a judge to sort you lot out". We then rode away into the distance(on the rear wheel)
We got a real good traffic specialist lawyer( bent as a pie-cart fork, we part paid him in illicit goods and cash) and he stalled the court hearing off for 6 months. He GUARANTEED us we would get off.
We had a strategy meeting with him just before the court case(in Oamaru with two old JP's who new shit about law) and he told us all to change our appearances, wear ordinary clothes, bring 3 mates extra along and all have crash helmets(not our own) in hand.
All 8 of us sat in the front row of the court and the lawyer proceeded to tie up the prosecuting sergeant and his witness, the cop that busted us, in legal jargon and points of law. It was hilarious, I almost laughed aloud in court!
He then reminded the cop about the identification of the defendants that was needed to be carried out (legal requirement in a court case).
The cop that had stopped us all 6 months previously got all our names etc mixed up BECAUSE HE HAD NOT DONE HIS HOMEWORK THE NIGHT BEFORE!!!
At that point our lawyer had a word to the JP's and low nd behold...case dismissed.
The lawyer sought reparation for our travel costs, time off work, lawyers fees etc, but the JP's declined it.
Upshot of it was....we kept our licenses, no record, and no fines to pay!
Result.
Who ever said honesty is the best policy???

Obviously not a lawyer lol! :Police: :niceone:

Hope all goes well for you in your fight to keep your licence :soon:

nice work:niceone:

[NOMIS]

A few years back I got stopped with 4 mates for doin 155kph in a 100 zone coming out of the Lindis. The cop was a bit out of his depth with 5 pissed off bikers lookin hard at him, so he wrote us all tickets and said "I'll let a judge to sort you lot out". We then rode away into the distance(on the rear wheel)
We got a real good traffic specialist lawyer( bent as a pie-cart fork, we part paid him in illicit goods and cash) and he stalled the court hearing off for 6 months. He GUARANTEED us we would get off.
We had a strategy meeting with him just before the court case(in Oamaru with two old JP's who new shit about law) and he told us all to change our appearances, wear ordinary clothes, bring 3 mates extra along and all have crash helmets(not our own) in hand.
All 8 of us sat in the front row of the court and the lawyer proceeded to tie up the prosecuting sergeant and his witness, the cop that busted us, in legal jargon and points of law. It was hilarious, I almost laughed aloud in court!
He then reminded the cop about the identification of the defendants that was needed to be carried out (legal requirement in a court case).
The cop that had stopped us all 6 months previously got all our names etc mixed up BECAUSE HE HAD NOT DONE HIS HOMEWORK THE NIGHT BEFORE!!!
At that point our lawyer had a word to the JP's and low nd behold...case dismissed.
The lawyer sought reparation for our travel costs, time off work, lawyers fees etc, but the JP's declined it.
Upshot of it was....we kept our licenses, no record, and no fines to pay!
Result.
Who ever said honesty is the best policy???

Obviously not a lawyer lol! :Police: :niceone:

Hope all goes well for you in your fight to keep your licence :soon:

Got to be one of the best posts I have ever read! haha cheers
mate.

[Patrick]

A few years back I got stopped with 4 mates for doin 155kph in a 100 zone coming out of the Lindis. The cop was a bit out of his depth with 5 pissed off bikers lookin hard at him, so he wrote us all tickets and said "I'll let a judge to sort you lot out". We then rode away into the distance(on the rear wheel)
We got a real good traffic specialist lawyer( bent as a pie-cart fork, we part paid him in illicit goods and cash) and he stalled the court hearing off for 6 months. He GUARANTEED us we would get off.
We had a strategy meeting with him just before the court case(in Oamaru with two old JP's who new shit about law) and he told us all to change our appearances, wear ordinary clothes, bring 3 mates extra along and all have crash helmets(not our own) in hand.
All 8 of us sat in the front row of the court and the lawyer proceeded to tie up the prosecuting sergeant and his witness, the cop that busted us, in legal jargon and points of law. It was hilarious, I almost laughed aloud in court!
He then reminded the cop about the identification of the defendants that was needed to be carried out (legal requirement in a court case).
The cop that had stopped us all 6 months previously got all our names etc mixed up BECAUSE HE HAD NOT DONE HIS HOMEWORK THE NIGHT BEFORE!!!
At that point our lawyer had a word to the JP's and low nd behold...case dismissed.
The lawyer sought reparation for our travel costs, time off work, lawyers fees etc, but the JP's declined it.
Upshot of it was....we kept our licenses, no record, and no fines to pay!
Result.
Who ever said honesty is the best policy???

Obviously not a lawyer lol! :Police: :niceone:

Hope all goes well for you in your fight to keep your licence :soon:

Betcha next time he locks all of them up instead of letting them carry on their own way. Can't argue when fingerprints and photos are taken at the lockup.

[jrandom]

What a buncha whining pussies!

If you get nicked breaking the law, take it like a man.

If you don't want to get nicked, you have a throttle - use it.

Don't have the balls to do a runner? Then ride under the speed limit or STFU.

[NOMIS]

What a buncha whining pussies!

If you get nicked breaking the law, take it like a man.

If you don't want to get nicked, you have a throttle - use it.

Don't have the balls to do a runner? Then ride under the speed limit or STFU.

And who are you replying to jrandom?

[breakaway]

Mate, if you got arrested just because they said 'It sounded like you were speeding' then it's total bullshit.

How did this matter even get so far?

[NOMIS]

exactly!!!! you tell me lol. I was nice as heel to them at the time thinking if im a wanker theyll do there worst.

I think it was the fact I live about 300m -400m from the waitakere head quaters and that there where 4 cop cars in my st. all full of cops I think & officers in total, they didn't seem to happy on wasting "valuable" police time on something so they did what they could any way.

Thing is they don't car how " BULLS***" affects me.

[breakaway]

This is bullshit. If what you've told us is all there is to the story, then you should definitely lawyer up and fight it.

It sucks how shit like this always happens to those who don't have time to fuck around waiting for court and don't have the financial resources for lawyers' fees.

[jrandom]

And who are you replying to jrandom?

Nobody, nothing, no-one, just takin' the piss a little.

I'd just like to point out that I do not advocate any form of lawbreaking, and I'd advise every motorcyclist to take responsibility for their decisions on the road, and ride safely at all times.

:niceone:

[peasea]

This is bullshit. If what you've told us is all there is to the story, then you should definitely lawyer up and fight it.

It sucks how shit like this always happens to those who don't have time to fuck around waiting for court and don't have the financial resources for lawyers' fees.

That's one of the things they play on.........or am I being too cynical? (Nah, can't be that, I'm never cynical.)

[scumdog]

Fight it all the way, plead not guilty, clog the system, deny, deny, deny. NEVER plead guilty to anything.

What is your license worth to you?

I lost mine for the summer but it didn't make a lick of difference to me. I applied for a work license and got it, paid a lawyer etc and kept a bullshit log, it's all about the money, make no mistake.

And speaking of work licence, do it your self if going for one - the Courts can help you and it saves you the lawyers fee for doing the same thing - and as peasea says, it's all money and the saving could easily be $1,000+, money well saved..

[NOMIS]

Nobody, nothing, no-one, just takin' the piss a little.

I'd just like to point out that I do not advocate any form of lawbreaking, and I'd advise every motorcyclist to take responsibility for their decisions on the road, and ride safely at all times.

:niceone:


Exactly... then again why take the fall because a cop decided to waste a whole lot off time? Ill try and get some copies of the cop's summary of fact up somehow.

To be honest If I ran I know for a fact I would have got away cop car cant follow me down the alley near my place or cut across the hospital car park and across the feild to my place. I wouldnt even need to nail it to have got away from where I saw him.

[peasea]

And speaking of work licence, do it your self if going for one - the Courts can help you and it saves you the lawyers fee for doing the same thing - and as peasea says, it's all money and the saving could easily be $1,000+, money well saved..

Correct; money you could spend on a Belltronics radar detector (you'll have to hide it well though) and the small change could go toward bullets for when you buy a gun and shoot the fuck.

[breakaway]

Usually I'm up for a fight, especially when it's shit like this, but in this situation it looks like it's better to just plead guilty dude :( Not viable for the average joe to pay $100000000 in costs just so you can come out the other end with just a fine and not lose your licence.

[scumdog]

Ill make sure I see the cop is there first so I can waste a bit of his time to.

I'll let you know the first time a cop feels his time is 'wasted'.
At worst he will have to come in on a day off - which he takes later on, it doen't cost him any money, time or effort to be at Court, just another work day.....

[fergie]

you could always ring chris kahui for advice:innocent:

[peasea]

Usually I'm up for a fight, especially when it's shit like this, but in this situation it looks like it's better to just plead guilty dude :( Not viable for the average joe to pay $100000000 in costs just so you can come out the other end with just a fine and not lose your licence.

Don't listen! Fight it.

[scumdog]

Correct; money you could spend on a Belltronics radar detector (you'll have to hide it well though) and the small change could go toward bullets for when you buy a gun and shoot the fuck.

Shoot him?

Like all of levels of society - shoot one arsehole and another will take his place in the blink of an eye.

Assuming the cop WAS an arsehole.

[Squiggles]

what time and what court?

[swbarnett]

Usually I'm up for a fight, especially when it's shit like this, but in this situation it looks like it's better to just plead guilty dude :( Not viable for the average joe to pay $100000000 in costs just so you can come out the other end with just a fine and not lose your licence.
Which is exactly why they win even when it's bogus. Fight it NOMIS, I want to see you win this.

We need a change to the law that makes an accuser liable for the full costs of the defendant if the complaint is not upheld.

[peasea]

I'll let you know the first time a cop feels his time is 'wasted'.
At worst he will have to come in on a day off - which he takes later on, it doen't cost him any money, time or effort to be at Court, just another work day.....

So very true, they get PAID to fuck you over. The last thing on a cops mind is what he does with his time unless he's on traffic duty (and has a quota to fill) which is where this b/s began. He won't give a rodents buttocks about your time/costs/stress levels, which is why you should go the whole 'hog'. Hahaha.

Fight like a man possessed, throw everything you have at it! Go hard!

[peasea]

Shoot him?

Like all of levels of society - shoot one arsehole and another will take his place in the blink of an eye.

Assuming the cop WAS an arsehole.

If these words he speaks are true, it's a given. However, this is not a cop-bashing thread, merely a means of showing support for the innocent among us.:whistle:

[scumdog]

We need a change to the law that makes an accuser liable for the full costs of the defendant if the complaint is not upheld.

Sadly the ones most against such a system are the lawyyers - and the politicians.

[peasea]

Sadly the ones most against such a system are the lawyyers - and the politicians.

Lawyers are worse than politicians; they have brains. They use their brains to prey savagely on people's suffering and they have also arranged the 'system' to ensure they are needed in serious court jousts. I can't think of a lower life form.

[breakaway]

I'd like to see him fight it and win it too, but it just doesn't seem practical :no:

[scumdog]

Lawyers are worse than politicians; they have brains. They use their brains to prey savagely on people's suffering and they have also arranged the 'system' to ensure they are needed in serious court jousts. I can't think of a lower life form.

I can - lawyers that become politicians.

[peasea]

I can - lawyers that become politicians.

Starting with Doug Graham, tosser. He's made such an impression on me I couldn't begin tell you what he's doing today. I can recall that prick saying something like 'shoving a bottle up a woman's privates isn't the same as rape'. Remember that? Shoulda shoved one up him. (A bottle, I mean.)

BOT: Any indication how old the cop who started all this was? Newbie with a point to make maybe? Just a guess.

[NOMIS]

Usually I'm up for a fight, especially when it's shit like this, but in this situation it looks like it's better to just plead guilty dude :( Not viable for the average joe to pay $100000000 in costs just so you can come out the other end with just a fine and not lose your licence.

That's the thing I want to fight it but unless I defend my self It will cost me lawyers fees $500+ 3 days now lost wages. thats gettin pretty up there for a 3month suspension plus maybe a fine of say $200 . where it costs $150 for a limited license.

[NOMIS]

what time and what court?

Tuesday 10am Waitakere district.

[NOMIS]

Shoot him?

Like all of levels of society - shoot one arsehole and another will take his place in the blink of an eye.

Assuming the cop WAS an arsehole.

Thats the thing The cop that arrested me wasn't a ass at all he was a really polite nice guy.. It was the other cops that where there and the old guy who showed up..

The old guy waved him over had a word to him. I was left on my own. He came back and said " Sorry mate," but im going to have to arrest you for dangerous speed" I was like huh? just a second ago you where asking me about the mods on my bike. lol

[munterk6]

dont be fooled by the "really nice cop" routine, his job is to fuck your future...
sorry, did I SAY that aloud, I mean his job is to keep you safe on the road, just like this scenario....Road Safety is what its all about son!

[nonferrous]

Exactly... then again why take the fall because a cop decided to waste a whole lot off time? Ill try and get some copies of the cop's summary of fact up somehow.

To be honest If I ran I know for a fact I would have got away cop car cant follow me down the alley near my place or cut across the hospital car park and across the feild to my place. I wouldnt even need to nail it to have got away from where I saw him.

exactly why they are being unreasonable - they are too angry

[NOMIS]

dont be fooled by the "really nice cop" routine, his job is to fuck your future...
sorry, did I SAY that aloud, I mean his job is to keep you safe on the road, just like this scenario....Road Safety is what its all about son!

I feel sorry for the cop driving that car just as much as the biker's .. Ah never nice... But yes you would think being a police officer that they would be more carefull, Also its funny he arrested me for alleged "dangerous speed"

Well in his summary of facts he was approaching speeds of over 100kmph so who was doing the dangerous speed lol, when he couldn't find me im guessing he drover around my neighborhood with his lights flashing. Because I no my "concerned" neighbors directed him to my place as he told me so..

[scumdog]

dont be fooled by the "really nice cop" routine, his job is to fuck your future...
sorry, did I SAY that aloud, I mean his job is to keep you safe on the road, just like this scenario....Road Safety is what its all about son!

YUp, we ALL drive like that and we ALL do that kinda shit.

And we ALL are paid by you, the tax-payer for doing these things...:rolleyes:

[Disco Dan]

all these pages of discussion... all the "i'm going to fight the cops and win" etc etc ....and no-one seems to have noticed the three different KB Police members posting... great laugh thanks!!!! :laugh: :devil2:

NZ Police are not idiots, rather the law makes them look like idiots... which of course brings me back to politicians.

...now, where did I put my eels?

[scumdog]

all these pages of discussion... all the "i'm going to fight the cops and win" etc etc ....and no-one seems to have noticed the three different KB Police members posting... [/SIZE]

Only three huh???:whistle:

[NOMIS]

all these pages of discussion... all the "i'm going to fight the cops and win" etc etc ....and no-one seems to have noticed the three different KB Police members posting... great laugh thanks!!!! :laugh: :devil2:

NZ Police are not idiots, rather the law makes them look like idiots... which of course brings me back to politicians.

...now, where did I put my eels?

Good call... I actuall like most cop's I have met and i thought this cop was a nice guy. But some things have to come into question. If you read the thread you should have picked up on these thing's aswell.?

I don't wasnt to ruin the police officers credibility. And I feel like he was "made" to do something about it, from the obvious' senior police officer who showed up.

[NOMIS]

And to the coppers out there, If you No constable Rush from waitakere tell him im not out there to get him . :-)
If any officers can give me there advice pllleease do so , you guys no a hell of a lot more than I d. Main thing im worried about is loosing because I dont no how court procedures work ect ect

[nodrog]

If you No constable Rush from waitakere tell him im not out there to get him

Know him? I am Him! careful what you say sonny.


If any officers can give me there advice pllleease do so

plead guilty, otherwise me and my mate Clint are going to turn up unanounced one night, with our batons, and no lube.

[Disco Dan]

Know him? I am Him! careful what you say sonny.



plead guilty, otherwise me and my mate Clint are going to turn up unanounced one night, with our batons, and no lube.

Burn!! hahaha this thread is fantastic!!!!

[NOMIS]

Know him? I am Him! careful what you say sonny.



plead guilty, otherwise me and my mate Clint are going to turn up unanounced one night, with our batons, and no lube.

Is that ryte? the one who didnt have a clue about bikes? And you now have a triumpth triple ?
and made over a 1000 post's on Kiwi biker.. hmmmmm

[NOMIS]

hahaha this thread is fantastic!!!!

Why yes it is isn't it. :msn-wink:

[NOMIS]

Clint are going to turn up unanounced one night, with our batons, and no lube.

I guess this is part of your male stripper show ????? as it says in you occupation????? wonder if I can discredit you with this in court? Unapropriate use of police isse items maybe?

[nodrog]

Is that ryte? the one who didnt have a clue about bikes? And you now have a triumpth triple ?
and made over a 1000 post's on Kiwi biker.. hmmmmm

and last week i was a 16 year old girl having my birthday.

the internet is marvellous for disguising oneself, far easier than going undercover like the old days.

and i dont have to have one of them gay handlebar moustaches to hide my face, (i have one cos its cool)

[nodrog]

I guess this is part of your male stripper show ????? as it says in you occupation????? wonder if I can discredit you with this in court? Unapropriate use of police isse items maybe?

hey when im not on the job, im on the game.

[NOMIS]

hey when im not on the job, im on the game.

hahahaha lol your sick man

[Patrick]

hey when im not on the job, im on the game.

You're that Police Woman hooker, aint ya...???

Boobies...

[Patrick]

And to the coppers out there, If you No constable Rush from waitakere tell him im not out there to get him . :-)
If any officers can give me there advice pllleease do so , you guys no a hell of a lot more than I d. Main thing im worried about is loosing because I dont no how court procedures work ect ect

As it has been said beofre, there is always 2 sides to the story. Seek full disclosure, and you will have his side of the story....

[nodrog]

You're that Police Woman hooker, aint ya...???

Boobies...

i sure am, see you at the social club on friday :love:

bring your wallet:yes:

[Patrick]

photo needed... you promised freebies...

[nodrog]

photo needed... you promised freebies...
________________

[Patrick]

Lost for words.... really....

Or lost in there....

Looks back breaking - for both of us....

[Mom]

I guess this is part of your male stripper show ????? as it says in you occupation????? wonder if I can discredit you with this in court? Unapropriate use of police isse items maybe?

Believe nothing mate, but feel the tight, maybe slightly painful pull on your nipples...:yes


and last week i was a 16 year old girl having my birthday.

the internet is marvellous for disguising oneself, far easier than going undercover like the old days.

You are going to get in trouble with your superiors soon you know that eh?


You're that Police Woman hooker, aint ya...???

Boobies...

Can not believe I missed this thread! Boobies indeed!

[breakaway]

So what came of all this?

[NOMIS]

So what came of all this?

Adjourned to suptember 18th for my 3rd hearing lol

[NOMIS]

SEPTEMBER** excuse the typo

[inlinefour]

Correct; money you could spend on a Belltronics radar detector (you'll have to hide it well though) and the small change could go toward bullets for when you buy a gun and shoot the fuck.

Unless they have changed the law and I know they want to make these things illegal in uncle hellens piggieback cuntry and make all the orrricers hand out tickets for +1 and above KM above the law. Friend got bust driving his cage 2 KM above the speed limit. Was not a big fine, but shows just how money orientated uncle helen and co have the pigs (I use that term because and Police officer doing this should be fucking ashamed of themselves) dishing out pissy tickets like that. My one has got a jammer as part of it and I actually removed it, but my wheelchair carrier has a turbo and I'm fond of making sure it still goes sometimes. Im going to put the detector back in the car. Evey time Ive been stopped I think it was because of it but I'd pulled out the power cord and turned if off, so they couldnt say jack shit and they knew it. Is the law changing so I cannot even carry one not working in the car??? If thats the case Im definitely going to be breaking the law - FUCK THAT SHIT!!! HURAAH! Sorry watched Jarhead last night then followed it up with the original Full Metal Jacket.

[Indoo]

Unless they have changed the law and I know they want to make these things illegal in uncle hellens piggieback cuntry and make all the orrricers hand out tickets for +1 and above KM above the law. Friend got bust driving his cage 2 KM above the speed limit. Was not a big fine, but shows just how money orientated uncle helen .

Did your friend get busted for 102kmh in a 100 zone? Did he dispute the ticket or were there some major extenuating circumstances around it?

[inlinefour]

Did your friend get busted for 102kmh in a 100 zone? Did he dispute the ticket or were there some major extenuating circumstances around it?

He got busted for 52 in a 50 area, no school anywhere in sight. Apparently he was told this was going to be the norm from now on. He didnt ague and went in and paid the fine straight away, but we all agreed that this now has gone too far with the pigs doing this shit. The oinker that did this must have a really small dick or uncle helens stuck up his arse...

[NOMIS]

what the hell are you joking no wayyyyy would i pay that that a crock of shit lol. I would of laughed at the prick. seriously i would have thought he was joking, even when i set the cruise contol it sometimes creeps over 5km + or - thats silly man,

[Morcs]

Why defend if youve done something wrong?

From all the tickets and suspensions ive had, Ive never fought against one.

[NOMIS]

Why defend if youve done something wrong?

From all the tickets and suspensions ive had, Ive never fought against one.

52 in a 50 ??? Sounds pretty stink to me lol

[swbarnett]

Why defend if youve done something wrong?

From all the tickets and suspensions ive had, Ive never fought against one.
The problem is that doing 52 in a 50, while technically illegal, is not beyond the speedometer's margin of error. You could be doing 47 as far as your speedo is concerned and still be done for 52. In Switzerland they actually deduct 5kph from the ticket before working out the alleged speed. This is an official thing (i.e. is printed on the speed camera notice) and not just the cop being nice.

[CookMySock]

He got busted for 52 in a 50 area, no school anywhere in sight. Apparently he was told this was going to be the norm from now on. He didnt ague and went in and paid the fine straight awayLook, if people are going to ignore advice and pay tickets like this then there is nothing you can do to help them. :whocares:

DB

[brendonjw]

a friend had a similar thing happen, got pinged doing 54 in a 50 zone in a stock standard R32 Skyline, cop must of been having a bad day, there are no schools around the area, going downhill on Redoubt Road in Manukau :gob:

[inlinefour]

Look, if people are going to ignore advice and pay tickets like this then there is nothing you can do to help them. :whocares:

DB


Depends if the advice is worthy or just from a kangaroo court which is all this place usually is. All great to be the great knowing online, but the reality is usually much different...


:whocares::yawn:

[inlinefour]

what the hell are you joking no wayyyyy would i pay that that a crock of shit lol. I would of laughed at the prick. seriously i would have thought he was joking, even when i set the cruise contol it sometimes creeps over 5km + or - thats silly man,

better get used to silly shit happening when the porkies are having a bad day or wanting to fill their quota/uncle helens pockets.

[igor]

52 in a 50


I got stopped doing 85 in a 100kmh area and the cop gave me $170. "tui ad"

bit like the quote above.

[Jdogg]

my understanding is that ALL vehicles that come into NZ are given a 10k tolerance either way I.E. 50k may be 40k or 50k may be 60k , which is why there is the same 10k tolerance when it comes to issuing tickets . I know for a fact (cousin is Hp in wellies) that in Wellington they only ticket at 11k over . I personally would have laughed at the cop and asked is that the best you could do ? at least make something up ... "your car is too low, loud , ugly" :whistle:etc and make the ticket seem less like a revenue collection exercise, and more like a creditable ticket.....:spanking:

[Forest]

my understanding is that ALL vehicles that come into NZ are given a 10k tolerance either way I.E. 50k may be 40k or 50k may be 60k , which is why there is the same 10k tolerance when it comes to issuing tickets . I know for a fact (cousin is Hp in wellies) that in Wellington they only ticket at 11k over . I personally would have laughed at the cop and asked is that the best you could do ? at least make something up ... "your car is too low, loud , ugly" :whistle:etc and make the ticket seem less like a revenue collection exercise, and more like a creditable ticket.....:spanking:

That policy has been changed. There's now a 5kph tolerance around schools.

Last year I got a speed camera ticket for doing 55kph in a 50kph zone.

Fortunately the fine was very small - I think it was only $35 (but I can't remember for certain).

[breakaway]

A mate's dad just got a ticket for 55 in a 50 zone :lol:

[CookMySock]

Depends if the advice is worthy or just from a kangaroo court which is all this place usually is. All great to be the great knowing online, but the reality is usually much different...You inadvertantly suggest I talk out of my arse. Why not just tell me straight-up I have no experience on that subject. And how would you know anyway ?

The facts are more like, people who ASK questions on KB ask them because they have NFI, and people who ANSWER them DO, coz they done it.

growl
DB

[Tank]

The facts are more like, people who ASK questions on KB ask them because they have NFI, and people who ANSWER them DO, coz they done it.


you do know that this is KB right????

Its a KB tradition to answer questions without having any idea at all. geesh

[inlinefour]

You inadvertantly suggest I talk out of my arse. Why not just tell me straight-up I have no experience on that subject. And how would you know anyway ?

The facts are more like, people who ASK questions on KB ask them because they have NFI, and people who ANSWER them DO, coz they done it.

growl
DB


Don't know you, don't care if you talk out your arse or not and if you do I have no problem telling you, even to your face if needed. Im saying what happened to you could be quite different to others and what works for you could create problems for others. I've got plenty of experience on bikes and misbehaving but little with upsetting the Police in the process because I had a think about what, where and when before I put anything into action, be it alone or with others. As a general rule of thumb the ones that make alot of noise in life often are talking out there arse and I would warn others with NFI to take what they say as true.:stupid:

[igor]

its noot revenue collecting. its a stoopidity tax and there a lot of stoop[id people here

[NOMIS]

its noot revenue collecting. its a stoopidity tax and there a lot of stoop[id people here

dis agree... majority is revenue collecting

[igor]

dis agree... majority is revenue collecting

ya gotta speedo, can't ya read it. ya got eyes can't ya see the speed limit signs

ya gotta be stoopid or r u exempt from the road rules

[Patrick]

He got busted for 52 in a 50 area, no school anywhere in sight....


I got stopped doing 85 in a 100kmh area and the cop gave me $170. "tui ad"

bit like the quote above.


Depends if the advice is worthy or just from a kangaroo court which is all this place usually is. All great to be the great knowing online, but the reality is usually much different...


:whocares::yawn:

52 in a 50... good phishing today??? And this happened where? TUI..... Mmmmmm....

54 in a 50 is the tolerance around a school, 90 minutes before school starts and 90 mins after it finishes... 55 plus within these frames, ticket time.

10kmph is the other tolerance. 11 or more is ticket time. Some tolerate a bit more.... some don't....

The great knowing online is also knowing off line....

IL4 - People who park in disabled parking are gonna get pinged bigger soon - for $150 a pop. That'll learn em.

[ynot slow]

IL4 - People who park in disabled parking are gonna get pinged bigger soon - for $150 a pop. That'll learn em.

Yep but the wankers which steal the parks for disabled will have no money to pay lol.

[igor]

Yep but the wankers which steal the parks for disabled will have no money to pay lol.


thats ok because if a don't pay ya fines Mr baliff turns and and clamps ya car or takes ya LCD TV. the non payers hate that. best way to make im upset.

and yes i know 1st hand how upset they get:devil2:

[ynot slow]

what the hell are you joking no wayyyyy would i pay that that a crock of shit lol. I would of laughed at the prick. seriously i would have thought he was joking, even when i set the cruise contol it sometimes creeps over 5km + or - thats silly man,

We had a similar thing with cruise control in our Honda,used to set it when speedo was at 55km for town driving,partner was pinged at 56km in town,she said to the cop the c/c was on and set at 55,cop said is it calibrated?She was suitably pissed off and said what,he said certified calibration or some shit,she said yep when the car was new,cop had no humour at that answer,she said your going to ticket me so gave him shit.Managed to get it chucked out in court.


The problem is that doing 52 in a 50, while technically illegal, is not beyond the speedometer's margin of error. You could be doing 47 as far as your speedo is concerned and still be done for 52. In Switzerland they actually deduct 5kph from the ticket before working out the alleged speed. This is an official thing (i.e. is printed on the speed camera notice) and not just the cop being nice.

Best speed check is the trailer mounted sensors,like going passed at 50km,the work van was showing 47km,to get to 50km on trailer van was doing 56 or so.Good to go passed turn back and see the lights show,slow,slow down,slow down now.

[inlinefour]

52 in a 50... good phishing today??? And this happened where? TUI..... Mmmmmm....

54 in a 50 is the tolerance around a school, 90 minutes before school starts and 90 mins after it finishes... 55 plus within these frames, ticket time.

10kmph is the other tolerance. 11 or more is ticket time. Some tolerate a bit more.... some don't....

The great knowing online is also knowing off line....

IL4 - People who park in disabled parking are gonna get pinged bigger soon - for $150 a pop. That'll learn em.

I shit you not, this is no troll but I dont give a rats arse if anyone wants to believe it or not. The 10kph tolerance is gone now so some here might learn the hard way? Also trying hard to get any form of radar dection banned, Im putting mine back in the wagon as more a statement than needing the warning. From what I can gather it looks like its been push through by the politicians who have a obvious lack of common sense...:spanking:

I reckon the wankers who flogg the disabled parks wont change either, if they gave a F they wouldnt do it in the first place and once they are pinged of course it'll be everyone elses' fault. :nya:

[Gubb]

dis agree... majority is revenue collecting

The Revenue Gathering argument fucks me off royally.
Do you think that the Cops are seeing a cent of the money? Is it being used to buy the Police better equipment? Improved roading? No, it all goes into the Government slush fund, to be spent however Helen deems necessary.

I don't know one single cop (and believe me, I know quite a few), who will ticket someone just to get money out of them. It's preposterous.

[Banesto John]

dis agree... majority is revenue collecting

The fine for 2 km/h over is $30. If the ticket cost more than that, the driver is making it up.

The cost of the administration for processing a ticket has been worked out (by the people who process them) at $25.

So, revenue collecting. I guess Helen will be able to have a cup of coffee at this guys expense with the huge $5 the govt made from this ticket.

The extra $5 is just a huge way to say "IF YA DON'T WANT TICKETS DON'T DRIVE OVER THE SPEED LIMIT..............DAT'S WHY IT'S CALLED THE SPEED LIMIT"

Rant concludes.:dodge:

[Patrick]

I shit you not, this is no troll but I dont give a rats arse if anyone wants to believe it or not. The 10kph tolerance is gone now so some here might learn the hard way?

I don't doubt you believe what you've been told. It's what was seen is what I would be interested in. Was it a local matter????????

The 10k tolerance is still in.... but trucks and cars with trailers have a 5k tolerance, cars outside schools as stated earlier is only 4k...

[inlinefour]

I don't doubt you believe what you've been told. It's what was seen is what I would be interested in. Was it a local matter????????

The 10k tolerance is still in.... but trucks and cars with trailers have a 5k tolerance, cars outside schools as stated earlier is only 4k...

Was down wellington way and not up here. No idea what the rules are here and just was working on the theory its NZ wide.:doh:

[swbarnett]

ya gotta speedo, can't ya read it. ya got eyes can't ya see the speed limit signs

ya gotta be stoopid or r u exempt from the road rules
This shows a complete lack of understanding of basic physics and the inaccuracy of measuring devices.

[swbarnett]

The Revenue Gathering argument fucks me off royally.
Do you think that the Cops are seeing a cent of the money? Is it being used to buy the Police better equipment? Improved roading? No, it all goes into the Government slush fund, to be spent however Helen deems necessary.

I don't know one single cop (and believe me, I know quite a few), who will ticket someone just to get money out of them. It's preposterous.
Under the revenue collecting argument the cops are just the unwitting collectors for the government.

[swbarnett]

So, revenue collecting. I guess Helen will be able to have a cup of coffee at this guys expense with the huge $5 the govt made from this ticket.
That's still a profit.

[spudchucka]

Under the revenue collecting argument the cops are just the unwitting collectors for the government.

Explain why fines are set to reduce but demerits are set to increase?

[ynot slow]

I don't doubt you believe what you've been told. It's what was seen is what I would be interested in. Was it a local matter????????

The 10k tolerance is still in.... but trucks and cars with trailers have a 5k tolerance, cars outside schools as stated earlier is only 4k...

Good to know there is some tolerance given,fair enough lower for heavy vehicles,they are stuck at 90km,and many are governed to max road speed of 100km anyway.

If the speed limit is enforced to the line,and the lower tolerances(5km) introduced,I for one would like to see some lawyer try to take it into court,not against the cops,but the vehicle manufacturers for supplying faulty speedos in their vehicles.I mean how often in a magazine does it show speedo reading then actual readings,sure they may err on the lower side but,if the original wheels,tyres etc are present then surely the speed can be accurate in todays modern technology era.Will never happen couldn't imagine holden,ford,toyota saying here mr xxx give us your fine we'll reimburse your pocket.

[CookMySock]

Don't know you, don't care if you talk out your arse or not and if you do I have no problem telling you, even to your face if needed.Needed ? By who ? You ? That's just being a jerk. Do you wonder why you get no boyfriends ?


Im saying what happened to you could be quite different to others and what works for you could create problems for others. Sure. Are you their mommy ? Wifey ? Boyfriend ? Despite what you may think, people can think for themselves and they don't need their boyfriend on the side to speak for them. :no:


As a general rule of thumb the ones that make alot of noise in life often are talking out there arse and I would warn others with NFI to take what they say as true.:stupid:As a general rule of thumb, you will find that general rules of thumb actually don't work that well when you take them out of your context and apply them to others, but I am not here to help you with your life. Simply be aware with me if you suggest I am full of shit you will get a very fucking clear explanation. :first:

And quit with the name calling, its a poor, wee, stupid look, and makes you look weak, and its the final step in the cycle of violence before the decision to hit.

Sharpen up. :baby:

DB
p.s. and start being nice to your man

[scumdog]

Explain why fines are set to reduce but demerits are set to increase?


No, c'mon guys - you lot that say 'revenue gathering' - why ARE several fines about to be reduced later this month?



EH?? :wait:

[nodrog]

why ARE several fines about to be reduced later this month?

because the PD system is getting full of people basically getting paid $120 an hour, instead of forking out $920 for not wearing a seatbelt?

[marty]

i've written a ticket for 102/100, the motorist was just glad that i hadn't ticketed him for the 102/50 that i had been tracking him for as he came all the way out hamilton rd cambridge, first 102/50, then 102/70, then finally 102/100. was just his lucky day i guess.

[CookMySock]

i've written a ticket for 102/100, the motorist was just glad that i hadn't ticketed him for the 102/50 that i had been tracking him for as he came all the way out hamilton rd cambridge, first 102/50, then 102/70, then finally 102/100. was just his lucky day i guess.:salute: Many thanks officer! Sometimes a frown, glare, and slap-on-teh-wrist from a friendly constable DOES make us slow down and think. Even just a headlight-flash and a wagged finger makes me think.. "oh yeah, grumble.. fair enough.."

Keep doing it, Sir. But DO throw the book at the really dangerous shitheads, thanks.

DB

[scumdog]

Even just a headlight-flash and a wagged finger makes me think.. "oh yeah, grumble.. fair enough.."
DB


Farkin near got a RSI on my right finger from doing just that..sometimes have to flash the blue'n'reds too - just to get their attention, sheesh, it's no wonder some have to depend on a radar detector to let them know a cop is there, obviously their God-given eyes ain't up to it.!!.

(Never had anybody jump on KB and tell me how good I was for doing it though....)<_<

[NOMIS]

i've written a ticket for 102/100, the motorist was just glad that i hadn't ticketed him for the 102/50 that i had been tracking him for as he came all the way out hamilton rd cambridge, first 102/50, then 102/70, then finally 102/100. was just his lucky day i guess.

And what would you advise on my case with the police, I was not clocked at a speed and even if I was speeding where did dangerous speeding come from ( under dangerous driving according to prosecutor ) But shouldnt it be a basic speeding ticket? i wasnt 40kmph over or anything.

[swbarnett]

Explain why fines are set to reduce but demerits are set to increase?
This is an excellent piece of propaganda.

under the new law only some tickets are reducing. For example - currently the ticket for exceeding the speed limit by up to 10kph is in a lower grade than that for exceeding the speed limit by between 11 and 20kph. As I understand it, under the new law this distinction will be removed and the same ticket will apply from 1 to 25kph (from memory) over the speed limit. This will have the affect that the tickets for 1 to 10kph over will actually increase in monetary value, not decrease.

The apparent individual ticket price may be dropping but some pundits are predicting that the overall take will increase. You may even find that tolerances drop and quotas go up.

Something else that may come into play. With higher demerits there will be more disqualifications and more applications for work licences. This will also increase the overall fee intake.

[spudchucka]

Simply be aware with me if you suggest I am full of shit you will get a very fucking clear explanation.

You're full of shit!:Pokey:

[scumdog]

This is an excellent piece of propaganda.


The apparent individual ticket price may be dropping but some pundits are predicting that the overall take will increase. You may even find that tolerances drop and quotas go up.

Something else that may come into play. With higher demerits there will be more disqualifications and more applications for work licences. This will also increase the overall fee intake.


Some pundits are full of shit. (Although lawyers may make a few $$ out of it - ya don't think the law will be changed to suit them do ya?:rolleyes:)

[spudchucka]

This is an excellent piece of propaganda.

under the new law only some tickets are reducing. For example - currently the ticket for exceeding the speed limit by up to 10kph is in a lower grade than that for exceeding the speed limit by between 11 and 20kph. As I understand it, under the new law this distinction will be removed and the same ticket will apply from 1 to 25kph (from memory) over the speed limit. This will have the affect that the tickets for 1 to 10kph over will actually increase in monetary value, not decrease.

The apparent individual ticket price may be dropping but some pundits are predicting that the overall take will increase. You may even find that tolerances drop and quotas go up.

Something else that may come into play. With higher demerits there will be more disqualifications and more applications for work licences. This will also increase the overall fee intake.

You'd have to produce accurate figures of how many tickets get issued in this speed range, (and others) before your propaganda would have any meaning beyond pure speculation.

[swbarnett]

if the original wheels,tyres etc are present then surely the speed can be accurate in todays modern technology era.
All measuring devises are only accurate to a point. With scientific equipment you get a certificate stating what the error is.

You could make more accurate speedometers but I don't think there'd be many people willing to pay the price.

[spudchucka]

Some pundits are full of shit. (Although lawyers may make a few $$ out of it - ya don't think the law will be changed to suit them do ya?:rolleyes:)

Nah, its not like parliament is full of ex lawyers is it??

[swbarnett]

You'd have to produce accurate figures of how many tickets get issued in this speed range, (and others) before your propaganda would have any meaning beyond pure speculation.
I totally agree. We'll just have to wait and see. My point is that dropping ticket prices does not necessarily correspond to a drop in the overall take.

[swbarnett]

Some pundits are full of shit.
Can't argue there. Also some know what they're talking about (a bit like KB really). We'll just have to wait and see which are which.


(Although lawyers may make a few $$ out of it - ya don't think the law will be changed to suit them do ya?:rolleyes:)
Aren't most politicians ex-lawyers?

[Gubb]

Quota is the other one that fucks me off.

Has there been any evidence of this?

[The Stranger]

SEPTEMBER** excuse the typo

So you got a lawyer yet?
I know a good cheap one.

[scumdog]

:yawn: So that's it? - only two options??

Apart from a pretty expensive pre-driving education sessions followed by a practical test to tp educate drivers and hence limit the liklihood of transgressions how would YOU police for bad driving?

Give rewards to good ones?

Tell off bad one?

or what??:blink:

What happened to the quote I was referring to???

[swbarnett]

:yawn: So that's it? - only two options??

Apart from a pretty expensive pre-driving education sessions followed by a practical test to tp educate drivers and hence limit the liklihood of transgressions how would YOU police for bad driving?

Give rewards to good ones?

Tell off bad one?

or what??:blink:
I have no problem with telling off the bad ones. My only issue is with the criteria used to determine which are the bad and which are not.

[The Stranger]

and people who ANSWER them DO, coz they done it.


That has to be the biggest load of shit I have ever seen on KB.

Ever!

[The Stranger]

:yawn: So that's it? - only two options??

Apart from a pretty expensive pre-driving education sessions followed by a practical test to tp educate drivers and hence limit the liklihood of transgressions how would YOU police for bad driving?

Give rewards to good ones?



Finally a glimmer of hope emerges.

Research shows that the most effective way to alter behaviour is reward and punishment

The next is reward only and lastly punishment only.

So what does the govt employ?

And they wonder why people are slow to learn. It's because the teachers (govt) are so bloody slow to learn how to teach.


Give out points, say 5 a year that your license is clean, make them tradable so they have a value i.e. give people a reward for their good behaviour.

[Patrick]

This is an excellent piece of propaganda..... With higher demerits there will be more disqualifications and more applications for work licences. This will also increase the overall fee intake.

Yeah. The Police pocket that one too....:lol:


Quota is the other one that fucks me off.

Has there been any evidence of this?

"Key Performance Indicator" - 1 ticket per hour patrolled. Call it what you like, but if you're patrolling around doing bugger all and can't produce a single ticket in 1 hour, then the bosses think you're useless. Hard to argue, really...

[NOMIS]

So you got a lawyer yet?
I know a good cheap one.

No i don't but if you could pm me detail please let me no would be great.

[Ixion]

You'd have to produce accurate figures of how many tickets get issued in this speed range, (and others) before your propaganda would have any meaning beyond pure speculation.

Why is his comment pure speculation, but yours is not?

You state that "fines are reducing". He states (correctly) that some are reducing, but others are increasing. That is not speculation it is reporting the government annoucncement. He does not have to produce any figures , he is simply reporting the government statement. Your statement is , at best, only partially correct, and thus misleading. If you mean that "all" fines are reducing, that is incorrect. If you mean that "the overall take from fines will decrease" , then you are the one purely speculating.

What CAN be accurately stated is that the government have announced that some speeding offences will attract a higher fine, some a lower one. But ALL offences will attract higher demerit points.

[scumdog]

On my last post I had clicked onto 'quote' for the post below, however the words had 'evaporated' when my post appeared on KB - what gives?

The quote:

"Not hard evidence, no.

The way I see it the situation is either one of two things: Either NZs ticket system is all about revenue collection or the politicians that we have are stupid enough to believe that this system actually has a chance of reducing the road toll.

I don't believe that our polies are that dumb so it must be the former. I could be wrong in which case we're ruled by lower IQs than I previously thought. God help us!

It would be easy to prove that revenue collection is not the aim - withdraw all ticket revenue (minus the cost of processing them if you like) as paper money and burn it. Or maybe remove the monetary value of a ticket completely. And while you're at it why not just remove the license from anyone that happens to be human and commits some minor transgression while driving. This is the way it's going. Pretty soon it won't be possible to drive because the expected standard is just not humanly possible 100% of the time. And this won't stop at driving."

[inlinefour]

Needed ? By who ? You ? That's just being a jerk. Do you wonder why you get no boyfriends ?

Sure. Are you their mommy ? Wifey ? Boyfriend ? Despite what you may think, people can think for themselves and they don't need their boyfriend on the side to speak for them. :no:

As a general rule of thumb, you will find that general rules of thumb actually don't work that well when you take them out of your context and apply them to others, but I am not here to help you with your life. Simply be aware with me if you suggest I am full of shit you will get a very fucking clear explanation. :first:

And quit with the name calling, its a poor, wee, stupid look, and makes you look weak, and its the final step in the cycle of violence before the decision to hit.

Sharpen up. :baby:

DB
p.s. and start being nice to your man

Cheers for clearing that up, I see that you really talk out of your arse afterall.

[Mom]

I normally would give this thread a wide berth, and perhaps later I will realise that is exactly what I should have done, however...


Sharpen up. :baby:DB
p.s. and start being nice to your man


Cheers for clearing that up, I see that you really talk out of your arse afterall.

You two, honestly, stop it or I will make you kiss and make up, hold hands in public or worse!


On my last post I had clicked onto 'quote' for the post below, however the words had 'evaporated' when my post appeared on KB - what gives?


It is a conspiracy against all online cops that dare to say something sensible you fool! Get up to speed already!



....or the politicians that we have are stupid enough to believe that this system actually has a chance of reducing the road toll....we're ruled by lower IQs than I previously thought. God help us!...
This is the way it's going. Pretty soon it won't be possible to drive because the expected standard is just not humanly possible 100% of the time. And this won't stop at driving."

Shut up ok! You are making too much sense.

[imdying]

You could make more accurate speedometers but I don't think there'd be many people willing to pay the price.Performance Bikes magazine recently got an engineer in to look at bike dashboards in to see what the deal was. After testing them all, he concluded that the inaccuracy must be purposely built in, as they were simply to inaccurate to be able to be explained through things like production/component tolerances.

[swbarnett]

On my last post I had clicked onto 'quote' for the post below, however the words had 'evaporated' when my post appeared on KB - what gives?

Shit you're fast!

I put this up in response to a post and then realised that I'd answered the wrong question and things were wildly out of context. I promptly deleted it (within 30 seconds).

My post was supposed to answer a question on the revenue collection theory when the post I was responding to was actually asking about the quota.

[swbarnett]

....or the politicians that we have are stupid enough to believe that this system actually has a chance of reducing the road toll....we're ruled by lower IQs than I previously thought. God help us!...
This is the way it's going. Pretty soon it won't be possible to drive because the expected standard is just not humanly possible 100% of the time. And this won't stop at driving."
Shut up ok! You are making too much sense.
Actually, scumdog was quoting something I put up but I deleted - see above.

Sorry for the confusion, must read more carefully before I launch.

[swbarnett]

Performance Bikes magazine recently got an engineer in to look at bike dashboards in to see what the deal was. After testing them all, he concluded that the inaccuracy must be purposely built in, as they were simply to inaccurate to be able to be explained through things like production/component tolerances.
This begs the question as to why... I can't think of a single reason to deliberately add error to any measuring device. Curious...

[spudchucka]

Why is his comment pure speculation, but yours is not?


Something to do with being inside the organisation you morons keep gazing into, wondering how it works, not really having any idea so just forming your own conclusions based on misinformation and half truths.

[Patch]

Something to do with being inside the organisation you morons keep gazing into, wondering how it works, not really having any idea so just forming your own conclusions based on misinformation and half truths.
that sounds like the current definition of a politician :laugh:

[spudchucka]

that sounds like the current definition of a politician :laugh:

I've never done anything so bad that I deserve that fate!:oi-grr:

[Patrick]

... but others are increasing.

The latest batch shows most reducing... only one increasing. That is for parking in disabled spots up from $60(?) to $150.

Not wearing motorbike helmets is reducing from $150 to $50 - for both rider and passenger... Assisting Darwin, I guess...

[swbarnett]

The latest batch shows most reducing...
I presume that there are still some that are merging, like the 1-10kph and 21-20kph over disappearing and being replaced by a 1-25kph ticket? (effectively increasing the cost of 1-10kph over).

[scumdog]

I presume that there are still some that are merging, like the 1-10kph and 21-20kph over disappearing and being replaced by a 1-25kph ticket? (effectively increasing the cost of 1-10kph over).


Nothing about it yet that I know of, never even heard about it.

[swbarnett]

Nothing about it yet that I know of, never even heard about it.
I could be wrong. I'm just going by what was reported as "what the government said".

[Patrick]

I presume that there are still some that are merging,


Nothing about it yet that I know of, never even heard about it.

WOT E SED.....


I could be wrong. I'm just going by what was reported as "what the government said".

In the Harold? Must be true then...

[swbarnett]

In the Harold? Must be true then...
Like I said, I could be wrong. I don't trust the media any more than you do.