F@#%k F@#%k F@#%k !!!!!!!!!!!

[ArcherWC]

Well after weeks of "seat of the pants" testing, and knowing I was down on power, I finally got the ZX10R on the Dyno.
Now with the list of go fast bits both bolt on and in the engine, it would be expected to be putting out about 180+ horses at the wheel,
well..........:angry2: 160 huge horses are hauling my fat ass along :angry2:
Now what really fucks me off about this, is that after some investigation into the bikes history, I found out that the last owner knew it was so down on power when he sold it to me (from the last dyno run he did), yet sold it with an older dyno run as proof of power. I know, I know buyer beware and all that, but he is/was a KB'r that I had run into in the pits a few times and seemed to be a pretty stand up guy.
Anyway, after I had settled down, and after lots of advise from Kawasaki and several well know'n race mechanics, we started ripping into the engine. After testing, compression is at around 105/110 PSI per cylinder (should be 200-220) and it is definatly leaking down through the rings.
It also looks like the cam timing (adjustable race cams) is set wrong as well.
So its tear down and rebuild time.
Unfortunatly, because of my tight budget, this rules me out for round two of the winter series, and possibly more depending on cost, which absolutly guts me.
I suppose the only silver lining is that I will have a know'n engine at the end of the rebuild.

Looks like your safe this series Jimmy :whocares:

So what sort of wine do ya drink Eddie :angry2:

[DEATH_INC.]

Sounds like a real POS......you should just give it to me :)

[AllanB]

Poor bugger only 160hp. :bleh:

That's only equal to two Harleys.....:rolleyes:

Piss taking aside I feel for you - there is a bit of $ on its way out of your wallet unfortunately.

[oldguy]

What happened to the R1, did you sell it.

[ArcherWC]

What happened to the R1, did you sell it.
yep, was gonna cost too much to "superbike" it, and couldnt afford to keep it in the garage

[Shaun P]

Well after weeks of "seat of the pants" testing, and knowing I was down on power, I finally got the ZX10R on the Dyno.
Now with the list of go fast bits both bolt on and in the engine, it would be expected to be putting out about 180+ horses at the wheel,
well..........:angry2: 160 huge horses are hauling my fat ass along :angry2:
Now what really fucks me off about this, is that after some investigation into the bikes history, I found out that the last owner knew it was so down on power when he sold it to me (from the last dyno run he did), yet sold it with an older dyno run as proof of power. I know, I know buyer beware and all that, but he is/was a KB'r that I had run into in the pits a few times and seemed to be a pretty stand up guy.
Anyway, after I had settled down, and after lots of advise from Kawasaki and several well know'n race mechanics, we started ripping into the engine. After testing, compression is at around 105/110 PSI per cylinder (should be 200-220) and it is definatly leaking down through the rings.
It also looks like the cam timing (adjustable race cams) is set wrong as well.
So its tear down and rebuild time.
Unfortunatly, because of my tight budget, this rules me out for round two of the winter series, and possibly more depending on cost, which absolutly guts me.
I suppose the only silver lining is that I will have a know'n engine at the end of the rebuild.

Looks like your safe this series Jimmy :whocares:

So what sort of wine do ya drink Eddie :angry2:


Maybe you should do some more research before you shoot your mouth off Brian, yes I did try some different cam settings but then returned to the config that was on that dyno run with that exact map and settings, dynos measure differently anyway so the only real comparason is on the same dyno. By the way the dyno runs I had ranged between 4 peak HP

The compression test sounds a little on the low side but it depends how it was measured, the only way to really know if the cylinder has a leak is to do a differential leak down test and also you will hear hissing in the crank case by taking off the oil cap or at the mufflers for ex valves - that would be the first step.
I dont know how you can 'look' at the cam timing they are on adjustable slots on the cam gears and take quite a bit to measure.
The last meeting I did was at Paeroa and it ran fine, I would not knowingly sell a bike with a problem - I also emailed you to see how it was going - no reply..
Not to mention I delivered that bike to Auckland under strange purchasing circumstances and gave you tyre warmers for free!!!!!!

I suggest in future you talk to someone you have concerns with first before questioning someones integrity :mad:

[westie]

Bummer dude.
Try putting oil in the cylinders and see if the compression readings come up.
Only a tea spoon full of oil though!!! Should show if the rings/bore are buggered.

[GIXser]

dude, ithink you should just come, i dont think a few extra horses will help ya seriously, treat this race series a foundation for next year, ie work on your starts,,, as all the horsepower in the world aint gonna help ya if thats not sorted.. dude im doing it for the fun, im not good/or competitive enough to win (+ as much as i hate it im too old)
its just good race experience + on top of that you are racing against 600 hundys, and they have way less grunt...
dont forget its all about fun dude:)

[jonbuoy]

Something doesn't sound right about that compression test - nearly 50% down on compression but only 12.5% down on power? If they are using compression testers with a hose on the end it will always show low readings, these are only good for checking that all cylinders are the same, you need one that plugs directly into the spark plug hole to get an accurate actuall pressure reading. With the hose readers you are compressing all the air in the hose as well as whats in the cylinder.

[CHOPPA]

thats shit to hear man! I know the guy who sold it to you and hes not the sorta guy to try skank ya, im pretty sure it was going pretty hard for him cause i was looking into it at one stage and it hasnt done that much work aye? That sucks to hear anyway man but if its only rings you need to do I just saw some done on a 10 and it took fa time and wasnt a real expensive job bout the same as the retail on those dunlops!

[Tony.OK]

Geez the lengths some will go to for excuses afta being beaten by a Hondah:lol:
Seriously mate hope ya get it sorted for the next one............

[ArcherWC]

Maybe you should do some more research before you shoot your mouth off Brian,

Spoke to HD Cycles, who said the last Dyno run you did there, showed 157 HP (what I got got before mapping) and that you "threw your toys out of the cot" and didnt come back as expected.
Then I spoke to GP Honda and they said it had "way less power than expected" and that "it had been messed with"

The compression test sounds a little on the low side but it depends how it was measured, the only way to really know if the cylinder has a leak is to do a differential leak down test and also you will hear hissing in the crank case by taking off the oil cap or at the mufflers for ex valves - that would be the first step.

Already done that, thats why Im pointing at rings

I dont know how you can 'look' at the cam timing they are on adjustable slots on the cam gears and take quite a bit to measure.

Yes they do, I have been working with advice from Kawasaki and Carey Briers mechanic

The last meeting I did was at Paeroa and it ran fine, I would not knowingly sell a bike with a problem - I also emailed you to see how it was going - no reply..

It has been well down on power since I got it from you. I always thought it, but not having had a 10 before, it wasnt confirmed till it went on the dyno

Not to mention I delivered that bike to Auckland under strange purchasing circumstances and gave you tyre warmers for free!!!!!!

What the fuck has the purchasing circumstances got to do with it, you got your money didnt you????? and you advertised the warmers with the bike as part of the deal

I suggest in future you talk to someone you have concerns with first before questioning someones integrity
:

Well you know about it now, are you going to do anything about it??????

[Shaun]

stranger things have happened eh

[ArcherWC]

thats shit to hear man! I know the guy who sold it to you and hes not the sorta guy to try skank ya, im pretty sure it was going pretty hard for him cause i was looking into it at one stage and it hasnt done that much work aye?

thats what I thought, thats why i bought the bike unseen (except in pics) oh well, live and learn.

yeah its only done 6500K's, so definatly wasnt expecting it.

[ArcherWC]

Something doesn't sound right about that compression test - nearly 50% down on compression but only 12.5% down on power? If they are using compression testers with a hose on the end it will always show low readings, these are only good for checking that all cylinders are the same, you need one that plugs directly into the spark plug hole to get an accurate actuall pressure reading. With the hose readers you are compressing all the air in the hose as well as whats in the cylinder.

Will look into that today, cheers

[ArcherWC]

I can most likely get the rebuild done in time for the next round, but after paying for it, my budget will be way out the window, so unless i have a Lotto win I just wont be able to make the next round

[westie]

Geez the lengths some will go to for excuses afta being beaten by a Hondah:lol:
Seriously mate hope ya get it sorted for the next one............

Go hondah!!!!

sorry brian

[ArcherWC]

dude, ithink you should just come, i dont think a few extra horses will help ya seriously, treat this race series a foundation for next year, ie work on your starts,,, as all the horsepower in the world aint gonna help ya if thats not sorted.. dude im doing it for the fun, im not good/or competitive enough to win (+ as much as i hate it im too old)
its just good race experience + on top of that you are racing against 600 hundys, and they have way less grunt...
dont forget its all about fun dude:)

Na bro, now I know there is definatly something wrong, I would much rather get it sorted.
I wouldnt have fun knowing the bikes not happy and there's nothing I could do about you fucking off into the distance on the straights.
I will be back for the next round hopefully

[moT]

just do the rest of the series on it some points are better than no points

[jrandom]

Ah, the mystery of Archer's non-podium finish in Round One is explained.

[White trash]

Ahhhh well Brian. I feel for ya buddy, it's the pits when things don't go as they should.

Tell ya what though, you wanna come down anyway and take me tyre warmers off and on? Ta mate.

[GIXser]

Ahhhh well Brian. I feel for ya buddy, it's the pits when things don't go as they should.

Tell ya what though, you wanna come down anyway and take me tyre warmers off and on? Ta mate.

i second that i have another pair of warmers to take off, you might as well make yourself useful Brian, ill even buy ya a bus fare down.


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[enigma51]

Did you steel dovers excuse book archer?

[koba]

Should a ZX10 be making more than 160 hp at the wheel?
Even with mods?
Are you sure mods have helped power output?
That still sounds like an awfull fucken lota power!

[SixPackBack]

Would you like to borrow a GN Brian I hear they are mighty quick?

[ManDownUnder]

Would you like to borrow a GN Brian I hear they are mighty quick?

Are their suspensions and brakes rated for 270kgs?

[GSVR]

Power vs handling chestnut again.

Maybe you could just make up for being down on power with the K bikes superior handling!

[Shaun P]

Well you know about it now, are you going to do anything about it??????


Look you are off the mark again I never had my bike dynoed at HD cycles that was an '04 and also the same bike you are talking about at GP honda was willies black '04 ZX10 that had a 1050 conversion.

A compression test is not a leak down test.

What is the cam timing then, if it 'looks' out?

Im not going to get back into the 'sorry I cant pay for it' b/s

There can be other reasons its down on power like a clogged fuel filter in the fuel pump etc

Good luck anyway hope it works out for you.

[Bayride Motorcycles]

Should a ZX10 be making more than 160 hp at the wheel?

My last ZX10 was getting 176RWHP from GP Honda's dyno...interesting(to me) to see the difference of read outs on the same dyno.

[GIXser]

just harden the fuck up,, and come racing ,Dodgy Matt still races he only has about 130 hp, all the guys on the 600' race mate even a 250.
even if ya had more horse power , what do you think you'll achieve (no offence intended)
1 st ?
again dude use this series to ground yourself and to learn the art of racing and its intricacacies. then next year come back with the mean weapon and blitz the whole lot.
i think you will be spending good money after bad, with very little improvement.
so Harden the fuck up aye..
(i dont wanna hear your not coming!!)

[Sparky Bills]

Same gearing too?
It all comes into play.

[Tony.OK]

different days,diff temps,humidity,tyre,correction factors,sae ratings etc etc......all make for diff readings.
My bike showed 164rwhp from GP earlier this month and I was keeping up with Rob from GP on Hayden Fitz's 07 1000rr with freshly dyno'ed 187rwhp down the straight at Taupo,same gearing too.
Its not how much ya got its how ya use it:bleh::Pokey:

[tri boy]

FWIW Dyno runs are quite unreliable. (can vary wildly from two different layouts, brand design, operator).
If it was my bike, and it was running well despite the possible drop in HP, I think I would ride it.
Competitors running wide, or choosing poor suspension/tyre choice will probably affect the results as much as a slight drop in outright HP.
(will scurry back to my cave now)

[Sparky Bills]

different days,diff temps,humidity,tyre,correction factors,sae ratings etc etc......all make for diff readings.
My bike showed 164rwhp from GP earlier this month and I was keeping up with Rob from GP on Hayden Fitz's 07 1000rr with freshly dyno'ed 187rwhp down the straight at Taupo,same gearing too.
Its not how much ya got its how ya use it:bleh::Pokey:


From what I heard Hayden old bike had an 04 motor in it at pearoa....

[ArcherWC]

just harden the fuck up,, and come racing ,Dodgy Matt still races he only has about 130 hp, all the guys on the 600' race mate even a 250.
even if ya had more horse power , what do you think you'll achieve (no offence intended)
1 st ?
again dude use this series to ground yourself and to learn the art of racing and its intricacacies. then next year come back with the mean weapon and blitz the whole lot.
i think you will be spending good money after bad, with very little improvement.
so Harden the fuck up aye..
(i dont wanna hear your not coming!!)

Yes but YOU are my main rival at the mo, and you have a shitload more HP than me and we are both just as crap everywhere else.

At the moment im being told all sorts of different things about my engine etc. So I would rather just pull it to bits and have a looksy to see exactly what is in there, and freshen up as required, at least then I will have a know'n quantity to work with for the rest of the year

Anyway, whatever the outcome of the tear down this weekend, I will try and make it to the next round, it really does just depend on funds

[ArcherWC]

Oh and just a quick apology to Technic, I dont positivly know the full story behind the bike, all I know is its been soft since I bought it, but i probably should have talked to him first, before coming on here, but hey I was having a tantrum at the time

[Tony.OK]

From what I heard Hayden old bike had an 04 motor in it at pearoa....

Rob has both Hayden's old bikes,they've both been freshened up,the 04 is back together with 184hp and for sale at $15000 on TM,the 07 was rebuilt too,which Robs back racing with.

[FROSTY]

Brian before toys outa cottting. Id suggest 1) get the valve clearances checked/adjusted.2)Get the air/fuel filter changed 3)get the cam timing dialed back to normal.
As others have said mate HTFU and get out there riding. Make use of the 160 ponies you have and ride baby ride

[jrandom]

Forget the dyno measurements, I'd be more interested in lap times.

I mean, Jesus, 180hp from a bike that tends to measure 155-ish stock? That's either just wank-value numbers from a dyno made by Dreamtime Fantasies Inc, or a seriously scary machine.

The power delivery would be bound to be freakier. I be plenty of guys would end up riding slower laps due to highside paranoia. You can't make up for that shit on Taupo's back straight.

I'm reminded of comments in one of last month's UK bike rags (I forget which) where they comp'd the current thous and one of the riders commented that he was lapping faster on the K7 with the engine in 'C' mode than in 'A' mode, because he could just relax with the throttle and focus on his lines without having to worry about rear-wheel traction every moment of every lap.

Disclaimer: I haven't the foggiest clue what I'm talking about.

[FROSTY]

Jrandom Fuck dude you just said same thing as me--but made it sound so much more professional -dang you must be a fast r:devil2:ider

[n0regret5]

ok i understand the whinge..but you're still at LEAST 40hp up on me here...silly kawasaki riders.:-)

[boomer]

Ahhhh well Brian. I feel for ya buddy, it's the pits when things don't go as they should.

Tell ya what though, you wanna come down anyway and take me tyre warmers off and on? Ta mate.

any more followers and people will be mistaking you for Michael Jackson :confused:



Did you steel dovers excuse book archer?

Nothing can compete with corner speed... Except Dovers book of 101 excuses !



Would you like to borrow a GN Brian I hear they are mighty quick?



:laugh:


Are their suspensions and brakes rated for 270kgs?

The way i out dragged him at Puke i'd say it was a problem with his tail tidy... ( Between Brian, Winja and Ghost rider they said it was because of anything other than HP..... :Pokey: )



just harden the fuck up,, and come racing ,Dodgy Matt still races he only has about 130 hp, all the guys on the 600' race mate even a 250.
even if ya had more horse power , what do you think you'll achieve (no offence intended)
1 st ?
again dude use this series to ground yourself and to learn the art of racing and its intricacacies. then next year come back with the mean weapon and blitz the whole lot.
i think you will be spending good money after bad, with very little improvement.
so Harden the fuck up aye..
(i dont wanna hear your not coming!!)

i reckon... a lot to be said for race kraft over horses.. **cough too fiddy riders.. cough


Oh and just a quick apology to Technic, I dont positivly know the full story behind the bike, all I know is its been soft since I bought it, but i probably should have talked to him first, before coming on here, but hey I was having a tantrum at the time

ahhahah... dude. fancy mud slinging when ya didnt know what the facts were....


admit it, its an old kwaka with no power.. no matter what ya do to it, it aint gonna be the weapon that a bike 3 years younger than yours is gonna be...!! so ride it like you stole it and learn to race on what ya got!

[Matt Bleck]

At the risk of sounding like a very cheeky c00nt, the cheapest way to gain power is to lose some weight, not the easiest tho.... :D

[jrandom]

the cheapest way to gain power is to lose some weight

Archer's already made it clear that he's on a tight budget, and now you're asking him to shell out for carbon-fibre rearsets?

:girlfight:

[Drew]

This thread sounds like something I'd bloody start.

Technic has said the dyno runs you are making acusations about are for different bikes than what you're on.

The compression test sounds like a fuck up more than the compression itself.

And if ya want it to read 180 horses at the tread, bring it to Wellington and dyno it at Motomart. Their one has produced some very high reading numbers for people round here since ages ago. :jerry:

[White trash]

I'm reminded of comments in one of last month's UK bike rags (I forget which) where they comp'd the current thous and one of the riders commented that he was lapping faster on the K7 with the engine in 'C' mode than in 'A' mode, because he could just relax with the throttle and focus on his lines without having to worry about rear-wheel traction every moment of every lap.



I'm fucken shaking my head in sheer bewilderment right here. He reckons what?!!!!

How the hell can someone claim to be a motorcycle "tester" for a profession, then publicly state that they lack the skill to actually handle the machine they're testing? There is actually a bit more to riding a bike than "getting the lines right".

I've ridden a K7 in C mode. Once. It was the most gutless heap of shit I've ever had this misfortune of riding. Anyone that can't handle it in "A", needs to learn exactly what the twisty bit on the right actually does.

I'm fucken disgusted a so called professional could make such a claim.

Edit: Bro, point me in the direction of said magazine. I'm writing a letter

[jrandom]

I'm fucken shaking my head in sheer bewilderment right here. He reckons what?!!!!

He also threw a brand new 2008 ZX-10R into the kitty litter on the same day.

They used the photo of the fucked Kwak on the inside front cover, by the table of contents.

I suspect they decided to make the most of an embarrassing situation by appealing to the average squid in the street. "Look, we're so-called professionals, and even we bin brand-new bikes on pristine tracks when it's not a race. Also, power is scary, and it's OK if you like C mode more. No, really."

Worked for me. I felt all warm and fuzzy reading that shit.

Whereas if you, Mr Trashman sir, were to write bike reviews for the unwashed masses, they'd just end up crying themselves to sleep on their huge pillows, convinced that they were, in fact, closet homosexuals.


I'm fucken disgusted a so called professional could make such a claim.

Are you really trying to tell us that you haven't yet figured out that getting a job writing for a bike rag has nothing to do with riding skill?


Edit: Bro, point me in the direction of said magazine. I'm writing a letter

OK, I'll go home and find it tonight.

:corn:

[jrandom]

Jrandom Fuck dude you just said same thing as me--but made it sound so much more professional -dang you must be a fast r:devil2:ider

Ain't nobody that can touch me, dude, just so long as it's in a straight line, I'm on my 1400, and they're racing without spark plugs.

Edit: And, more importantly, I make this shit sound good.

[White trash]

OK, I'll go home and find it tonight.

:corn:


Thankyou.

And as for your other comments.......









Eat shit.

[jrandom]

Thankyou.

No problem.


Eat shit.

...

See what I mean about the convincing-people-they're-closet-homosexuals thing?

[White trash]

Whereas if you, Mr Trashman sir, were to write bike reviews for the unwashed masses, they'd just end up crying themselves to sleep on their huge pillows, convinced that they were, in fact, closet homosexuals.

Actually, I wrote a bike test once. I and I alone thought it was a boody fantastic piece of unbiased journalism. However, the poor old editor of the mag then had to deal with all manner f fuckwits calling me irresponsible and one eyed because I worked in a Suzuki shop and had done a wheelie and got my knee down.

Think his name was Katman.......

[slowpoke]

dude, ithink you should just come, i dont think a few extra horses will help ya seriously, treat this race series a foundation for next year, ie work on your starts,,, as all the horsepower in the world aint gonna help ya if thats not sorted.. dude im doing it for the fun, im not good/or competitive enough to win (+ as much as i hate it im too old)
its just good race experience + on top of that you are racing against 600 hundys, and they have way less grunt...
dont forget its all about fun dude:)

Well said mate!

What's the worst case scenario: You are riding a bike with stock hp that is considerably lighter in race trim and has got excellent suspension, so it's still a formidable weapon.

Get some race laps under your belt and rebuild it at a more convenient time so that with all the potential ponies in the corral you'll actually be able to use 'em. If you are being passed by 6 hundy's with 160hp at your beck and call then an extra 20 is only masking the problem.....and believe you me I know this 'cos I'm in exactly the same boat, haha.

You aren't racing for pink slips and if it's a development year then take your lumps and use the opportunity to learn how to walk before you run, especially if $$$ are an issue. It's about fun and actually racing, not comparing spec sheets down at the pub.

For what it's worth you'll hopefully be in a position to do more of the work than I was when I had some drama's with my ol' girl last year. Just to have Welly M/C dyno the thing, identify an obvious major problem, remove /reinstall donk and dyno setup afterwards cost over $2k (a third party rectified the problem) much of which I could have done myself if I was home. Sounds obvious but if you go down the rebuild path then try and do as much of the grunt work yourself and you'll save a substantial amount.

[enigma51]

You guys are forgetting archer's point. He got beaten by gn and with all the money he has put into the bike he at least should have been able to keep up with gixxer ......... even as uncle timmay said he can shed a couple of tons

and for riding a gsxr thousand in A that just fucking silly we all know archer will never be able to keep up then

[GIXser]

You guys are forgetting archer's point. He got beaten by gn and with all the money he has put into the bike he at least should have been able to keep up with gixxer ......... even as uncle timmay said he can shed a couple of tons


Mate , he's just scared, he knows im faster and..... better looking

as Homer said , dont even try you;ll just set yourself up for failure:)


I'm fucken shaking my head 'm fucken disgusted a so called professional could make such a claim.

Edit: Bro, point me in the direction of said magazine. I'm writing a letter

youre just a fucking know it all aint ya.!! time for me to give ya the learn , since Archer's copped out..:)

[White trash]

youre just a fucking know it all aint ya.!! time for me to give ya the learn , since Archer's copped out..:)


Oh fuck, now you've gone and done it. I'm supposed to be the bloody trash talker on this website. I swear to god, I'll shout all the piss for the weekend if you get within five seconds of my fastest time.

Trust this is clear.











Cock.

[R6_kid]

Didnt Sam Smith win the 600 race on an 08 R6 with stock motor and exhuast and only fancy suspension? Surely he was down on power compared to some of the others out there?

[FROSTY]

Ahh fuckit archer---look the bikes fucked already so tell ya what--loan it to a slow OLD pommy git so I can get in some laps. 160hp is about double what I race on

[driftn]

just harden the fuck up,, and come racing ,Dodgy Matt still races he only has about 130 hp, all the guys on the 600' race mate even a 250.
even if ya had more horse power , what do you think you'll achieve (no offence intended)
1 st ?
again dude use this series to ground yourself and to learn the art of racing and its intricacacies. then next year come back with the mean weapon and blitz the whole lot.
i think you will be spending good money after bad, with very little improvement.
so Harden the fuck up aye..
(i dont wanna hear your not coming!!)

Well said how do you think i feel. I got maybe 80/100hp at the crank on my shity old srad and im doing f1.:Pokey:

[Dodgy]

Shit man, just stop moaning and get out there and ride the damn thing.

And what did you expect with a race bike - a warranty?? I would have thought you would budget in a freshen up each season? Maybe when you are on the pace then you can worry about 10hp.

Dont ever let yourself near an RS or TZ, you would be replacing rings and pistons each meeting at nats (only takes a couple of hours tho...)

[Leong]

Hey Brian, I know how it feels when things aren't how you like with your bike but I agree with Eddy, Slowpoke and Luke - It's all about the racing - sure, try to get it sorted, but if you can't do it without sacrificing round 2 then do it between 2 and 3. Also you now have a ready excuse for underperforming.....why do you think I ride a 600???

[enigma51]

Didnt Sam Smith win the 600 race on an 08 R6 with stock motor and exhuast and only fancy suspension? Surely he was down on power compared to some of the others out there?

This is not about sam its about archer having less power than a gn


heavy weight plus 160 horse = gn power

[enigma51]

why do you think I ride a 600???

cause you not fat?

[Shaun]

IF THE MOTOR IS NOT GOING TO LET GO?

Go race it:crazy:

[White trash]

.....why do you think I ride a 600???

Ummmm, coz you're smarter than us?

[jrandom]

Didnt Sam Smith win the 600 race on an 08 R6 with stock motor and exhuast and only fancy suspension?

That wasn't just 'fancy suspension', man, that was several million dollars worth of unobtanium, forged in the hellish fires deep below the Mountains of Awesomeness in darkest Sweden, and crafted into fey devices via the use of subtle and fearsome magicks that mortal man was not meant to wot of.

(I am, of course, understating things slightly - for an unrestrained description of Sam's suspension, you'll have to contact Robert Taylor.)

[t3mp0r4ry nzr]

sounds like penis measuring to me. GET OUT AND RIDE THE WHEELS OF THE FUCKA!

[ArcherWC]

IF THE MOTOR IS NOT GOING TO LET GO?

Go race it:crazy:

Motors out, according to Kawasaki Technical Im lucky it hasnt let go already.

Will strip it over the weekend and find out how much I have to do to get it reliable/ridable for the next round.

And for those that think its all about the power, it was actually more used as a referance that something was/is very wrong with the engine.
I will be putting it back nearly to standard (lower HP than I could get), to get reliability and a good solid base for me to race for the rest of the year.

[boomer]

Kawasakai Technical..?? Thats an oxymoron.

good luck with teh rebuild, hopefully they can find all 4 holes and they;re in one piece :yes:

[westie]

That wasn't just 'fancy suspension', man, that was several million dollars worth of unobtanium, forged in the hellish fires deep below the Mountains of Awesomeness in darkest Sweden, and crafted into fey devices via the use of subtle and fearsome magicks that mortal man was not meant to wot of.

(I am, of course, understating things slightly - for an unrestrained description of Sam's suspension, you'll have to contact Robert Taylor.)

Dan-dolph?


sounds like penis measuring to me. GET OUT AND RIDE THE WHEELS OF THE FUCKA!


So what if its only an inch! As long as its angry that is all we can ask, grrrr....

[Shaun]

Motors out, according to Kawasaki Technical Im lucky it hasnt let go already.

Will strip it over the weekend and find out how much I have to do to get it reliable/ridable for the next round.

And for those that think its all about the power, it was actually more used as a referance that something was/is very wrong with the engine.
I will be putting it back nearly to standard (lower HP than I could get), to get reliability and a good solid base for me to race for the rest of the year.



WELL DONE. Glad you have decided to do this safely and correct

[DMNTD]

Motors out, according to Kawasaki Technical Im lucky it hasnt let go already.

Will strip it over the weekend and find out how much I have to do to get it reliable/ridable for the next round.

And for those that think its all about the power, it was actually more used as a reference that something was/is very wrong with the engine.
I will be putting it back nearly to standard (lower HP than I could get), to get reliability and a good solid base for me to race for the rest of the year.

Onya Mr Voluptuous...I have a "thin" head gasket for an '06-'07 if you're keen.

[ArcherWC]

Onya Mr Voluptuous...I have a "thin" head gasket for an '06-'07 if you're keen.

hell yeah, do you know what "squish" rating it is?

[Shaun]

hell yeah, do you know what "squish" rating it is?



Stop fuckin around and get a proper Mechanic on the Job!!!!!

Derik Mccaddim in Pakmeston Noth FIND HIM

[enigma51]

Stop fuckin around and get a proper Mechanic on the Job!!!!!

Derik Mccaddim in Pakmeston Noth FIND HIM

Then he will have no excuses and we all know he cant have that

[ArcherWC]

Stop fuckin around and get a proper Mechanic on the Job!!!!!

Derik Mccaddim in Pakmeston Noth FIND HIM
I havent even got close to the cash required for that. My mechanic is working closly with Kawasaki and Neil Powel to get the job done properly

[FruitLooPs]

For what its worth, that sucks heaps mate.

And as for dyno readings if you've got some spare time it's a pretty complex issue: http://www.factorypro.com/dyno/true1.html

My gsxr750 was purchased running on 3 (hell felt quick coming off a 150cc :second: ) $500 smackers for a whole new set of guides and seals and a bit of work fixing my leaking exhaust valve and I ride it a week before a friend hydrolocks first cylinder on a ride and bends the conrod..



Oh yeah, in reality when the bike was run on 3 compression for cyl.1 was ~115psi with the rest 150. There was a shit show in hell that bike made anywhere near 80rwhp (old 1st gen 750), it was barely able to outpace a zxr250. I can't see those compression test readings being correct at all. At 115psi the first cyl would run sometimes and not others, if you had a whole bike like that you'd be lucky to move if that logic stands.


Anywho, open the wallet and prepare to get bent over man, i'm used to it. :bye:

Oh yeah, you might find it interesting to note that the above link has these results.

zx10,07 all stock, stock exhaust all stock 142-146 True HP (144, 2 samples)
zx10,07 with Factory Pro V stack, no FI tuning, stock exhaust all stock 147-151 True HP (149)
zx10,07 with Factory Pro V stack, BMC air filter no FI tuning, stock exhaust all stock 149-153 True HP (151)

[CHOPPA]

Sorta what we talked about at racing brian but its sorta a bit late now sounds like the engines out! you should chuck it on a dynajet dyno to see how it compares to shauns results because factory pro and dynajet have quite diff readings.

btw I too am all for the fun of racing and do whatever i can to be there bla bla but when you have a bike thats below par and you have to make excuses it sucks, i had a comment on one of my old race reports saying something about all the excuses i was making about my old bike with how slow it was off the start! Glad my new bikes proven my point! So id say na dont race half arsed bro

[cowpoos]

Sorta what we talked about at racing brian but its sorta a bit late now sounds like the engines out! you should chuck it on a dynajet dyno to see how it compares to shauns results because factory pro and dynajet have quite diff readings.

btw I too am all for the fun of racing and do whatever i can to be there bla bla but when you have a bike thats below par and you have to make excuses it sucks, i had a comment on one of my old race reports saying something about all the excuses i was making about my old bike with how slow it was off the start! Glad my new bikes proven my point! So id say na dont race half arsed bro
huh...Brain...is that 160hp on a factory pro dyno??? because if it is...160 factory pro HP...is fuck loads!! considering robbie bugdons 07 bike made 168hp on a factory pro dyno in auck...and over 200hp on a dynojet down south!!

[boomer]

yeah its a factory pro. i told him it would be down at least 15%

[cowpoos]

I swear to god, I'll shout all the piss for the weekend if you get within five seconds of my fastest time.


You'll say that...but you won't open you fricken wallet when its time to pay up Mister!

[boomer]

chuckles @ tags

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[White trash]

huh...Brain...is that 160hp on a factory pro dyno??? because if it is...160 factory pro HP...is fuck loads!! considering robbie bugdons 07 bike made 168hp on a factory pro dyno in auck...and over 200hp on a dynojet down south!!
You're so full of shit mate, who the fuck told you that?

My wimpy base model cams and head gasket with the EMPRO make more than 168 on the Factory Pro. And let me assure you, Mister Bugdens bike is a good deal faster than mine.

[The Stranger]

For what its worth, that sucks heaps mate.

And as for dyno readings if you've got some spare time it's a pretty complex issue: http://www.factorypro.com/dyno/true1.html



Serious question here.
Why do people seem to believe the Factory Pro hype blindly?
Do they not find it suspicious that the blurb they publish, just happens to support their product?
They claim 128 True HP for and 06 Fazer with only Graves Stacks. How does this materially differ from me getting 128 bullshit Dynojet HP on a stock bike?
The stacks alone would be lucky to add 3 HP (bullshit or true - you choose) on these things as the biggest restrictions are air box and teeny tiny air filter. That plus the only difference with the graves stacks and standard are shorter outers.

[skidMark]

Maybe you should do some more research before you shoot your mouth off Brian, yes I did try some different cam settings but then returned to the config that was on that dyno run with that exact map and settings, dynos measure differently anyway so the only real comparason is on the same dyno. By the way the dyno runs I had ranged between 4 peak HP

The compression test sounds a little on the low side but it depends how it was measured, the only way to really know if the cylinder has a leak is to do a differential leak down test and also you will hear hissing in the crank case by taking off the oil cap or at the mufflers for ex valves - that would be the first step.
I dont know how you can 'look' at the cam timing they are on adjustable slots on the cam gears and take quite a bit to measure.
The last meeting I did was at Paeroa and it ran fine, I would not knowingly sell a bike with a problem - I also emailed you to see how it was going - no reply..
Not to mention I delivered that bike to Auckland under strange purchasing circumstances and gave you tyre warmers for free!!!!!!

I suggest in future you talk to someone you have concerns with first before questioning someones integrity :mad:

Very very well spoken mate, i'm on your side on this, he has not handled it well.

Archer i feel for ya man, but perhaps before ripping into technic on here you should have discussed it with him.

Sounds like a stand up guy to me.

Take from this what you wish Archer, but from how i see it if you had gone to him regarding these issues prior to posting, it sounds like he would have been willing to offer advice etc, im suprised he has told you as much as he has just now, mostly in a way that does not rip into you, but partially yes as you deserve it. with the way you have handled it i would have just told you to bugger off... and thats being polite.

Skid.

[White trash]

You fucken hollier than thou cockhead. You know none of the details behind this and hardly the people involved. You're also the first person on this whole site waving your arms around going "Woe is me, the world's against me" with little reason. Hypocracy is simply the ugliest trait someone could have, there no mirrors at yours?

For the record, they're both stand-up guys. Brian's fucked off because his bike's not what he expected, Shaun's defending his actions as he doesn't feel he's misrepresented anything. No harm, no foul. In case you're not too good at reading, I'll point out that there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of animosity right here, keep your uninformed oar out thanks.

And as for you telling someone to bugger off? You're implying someone would actually have bought a bike off you and not had a problem with it?

Back on the ignore list for you Skidboy.

[White trash]

Serious question here.
Why do people seem to believe the Factory Pro hype blindly?
Do they not find it suspicious that the blurb they publish, just happens to support their product?
They claim 128 True HP for and 06 Fazer with only Graves Stacks. How does this materially differ from me getting 128 bullshit Dynojet HP on a stock bike?
The stacks alone would be lucky to add 3 HP (bullshit or true - you choose) on these things as the biggest restrictions are air box and teeny tiny air filter. That plus the only difference with the graves stacks and standard are shorter outers.
I don't nessecarily believe the hype as such, I just use the Factory Pro as a good reference as that's the only dynamometer the WBP bike's ever been on. As with all dynos, the numbers are irrelevant unless tested on the same dyno.

A tuning tool, nothing more.

[cowpoos]

You're so full of shit mate, who the fuck told you that?
.

Red did.

07 bike was a K6...Phil duxbury's got that one now apparently??


And let me assure you, Mister Bugdens bike is a good deal faster than mine.

Twist your throttle harder Eddie!! your hair also looks great today! ;)

[skidMark]

You fucken hollier than thou cockhead. You know none of the details behind this and hardly the people involved. You're also the first person on this whole site waving your arms around going "Woe is me, the world's against me" with little reason. Hypocracy is simply the ugliest trait someone could have, there no mirrors at yours?

For the record, they're both stand-up guys. Brian's fucked off because his bike's not what he expected, Shaun's defending his actions as he doesn't feel he's misrepresented anything. No harm, no foul. In case you're not too good at reading, I'll point out that there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of animosity right here, keep your uninformed oar out thanks.

And as for you telling someone to bugger off? You're implying someone would actually have bought a bike off you and not had a problem with it?

Back on the ignore list for you Skidboy.

Really?........

[Drew]

Really?........

Nobody likes you much skidcock.

Perhaps you should unplug your keyboard and just read for a while. Learn how people interact, how they type different in anger than mild manner.

Then, when you've got a clue, fuck off and try making friends on some other site.

[FROSTY]

Ok a reread - If all ya worried about is 10 odd ponies then I'll stick to my origonal point HTFU
But if you are worried about a potential big bang inside ya engine then FUCKEN GOOD CALL.
I think ya origonal post suggested more you were worried about being beaten because ya had less hp.

[White trash]

Red did.

07 bike was a K6...Phil duxbury's got that one now apparently??



Twist your throttle harder Eddie!! your hair also looks great today! ;)

My bad, I assumed (incorrectly) that you were talking about his K7. Beer in your direction good sir.

[FROSTY]

That wasn't just 'fancy suspension', man, that was several million dollars worth of unobtanium, forged in the hellish fires deep below the Mountains of Awesomeness in darkest Sweden, and crafted into fey devices via the use of subtle and fearsome magicks that mortal man was not meant to wot of.

(I am, of course, understating things slightly - for an unrestrained description of Sam's suspension, you'll have to contact Robert Taylor.)
Dude you are so off the mark there they are talking about first round of the atrix series--he was on a stock bike bar a bit of suspension "tuning"

[White trash]

Dude you are so off the mark there they are talking about first round of the atrix series--he was on a stock bike bar a bit of suspension "tuning"
Na, I reckon you've actually got it a little backwards too Tony.

TTX36 rear and Race tech morphing on the front is a little above "tuning" I'd have thought.

[skidMark]

Nobody likes you much skidcock.

Perhaps you should unplug your keyboard and just read for a while. Learn how people interact, how they type different in anger than mild manner.

Then, when you've got a clue, fuck off and try making friends on some other site.
Can't unplug the keyboard, it's a laptop.

sorry.

[ArcherWC]

It was a DynaJet Dyno (Bret Roberts).

And fuck off back to your hole skidmark, as per usual, you have no idea

As I have already said, the lack of HP was seen as a simptom of something wrong, rather than "woe is me Ive got a tiny cock and no HP to make up for it"

I have no "real" ill feeling towards Technic, I was just pissed at the time and throwing my toys from the proverbial cot.

In the long run, I think the rebuild on the bike will be benifical for both my piece of mind and knowledge of the bike.

I will be back, on a bike that I am happy with, to kick the Hairdresors ass

[skidMark]

My bad, I assumed (incorrectly) that you were talking about his K7. Beer in your direction good sir.


Dude you are so off the mark there they are talking about first round of the atrix series--he was on a stock bike bar a bit of suspension "tuning"


Na, I reckon you've actually got it a little backwards too Tony.

TTX36 rear and Race tech morphing on the front is a little above "tuning" I'd have thought.


Have any of you got it right whatsoever?:rolleyes:

[SixPackBack]

It was a DynaJet Dyno (Bret Roberts).

And fuck off back to your hole skidmark, as per usual, you have no idea

As I have already said, the lack of HP was seen as a simptom of something wrong, rather than "woe is me Ive got a tiny cock and no HP to make up for it"

I have no "real" ill feeling towards Technic, I was just pissed at the time and throwing my toys from the proverbial cot.

In the long run, I think the rebuild on the bike will be benifical for both my piece of mind and knowledge of the bike.

I will be back, on a bike that I am happy with, to kick the Hairdresors ass

Cool. Remember to have fun as well mate:niceone:

One other thing fellas......life is so much better with skidmark on ignore:laugh:

[White trash]

One other thing fellas......life is so much better with skidmark on ignore:laugh:


Bliss aint it? :laugh:

[ArcherWC]

How do I put him on ignore, Ive had enough of him

[White trash]

Go into your UserCP, go down the list till ya get to "Edit Ignore List"....yadda....yadda....yadda.......

Thought you were a computer nerd?

[ArcherWC]

Go into your UserCP, go down the list till ya get to "Edit Ignore List"....yadda....yadda....yadda.......

Thought you were a computer nerd?
Woohoo, hes gone.

Good at finding porn, but thats about it

[Drew]

Woohoo, hes gone.

Good at finding porn, but thats about itThis post is useless without PICTURES!

[skidMark]

And fuck off back to your hole skidmark, as per usual, you have no idea




Says the guy who bought a bung bike....

[Tony.OK]

Hey Brian,this isn't meant to be a nosey question,has your bike got a race ecu,I mean does it revs higher than stock?Just wondering cause mine's still stock and 6500kms seems low for a rebuild.
Good luck with it too,would be good to see ya on the 21st:yes:

[White trash]

Bear in mind though Tony, they get a fucken hiding during that 6000 kays.

[Tony.OK]

Bear in mind though Tony, they get a fucken hiding during that 6000 kays.

They should handle that really I would've thought,if stock that is,shit mines still under warranty,just don't tell Bluewing its a racebike:crazy:

[ArcherWC]

na not stock, race kit stuff.

[White trash]

They should handle that really I would've thought,if stock that is,shit mines still under warranty,just don't tell Bluewing its a racebike:crazy:
I know of properly built race motors chernobling after 800-1500 kays mate.

[gav]

I'm fucken shaking my head in sheer bewilderment right here. He reckons what?!!!!

How the hell can someone claim to be a motorcycle "tester" for a profession, then publicly state that they lack the skill to actually handle the machine they're testing? There is actually a bit more to riding a bike than "getting the lines right".

I've ridden a K7 in C mode. Once. It was the most gutless heap of shit I've ever had this misfortune of riding. Anyone that can't handle it in "A", needs to learn exactly what the twisty bit on the right actually does.

I'm fucken disgusted a so called professional could make such a claim.

Edit: Bro, point me in the direction of said magazine. I'm writing a letter

Don't know about the C grade mode, but most seem to suggest the K7 is faster in B mode. Who thinks it faster? Ex All Japan 125 and 250 GP rider Atushi Murata, who is the Suzuki settings test rider admits that he set his fastest time around Phillip Island at the launch of the K7 using B mode. Kevin Schwantz also stated that he was faster in B mode. This is info in the April 2007 Rapid Bikes magazine. You do know how the B mode works don't you?

[Drew]

You do know how the B mode works don't you?

Yeah, you do know how much better a bike handels more power with tuned/upgraded suspension and tyres dont ya?

I like to keep things simple, but this attitude that less power equals faster lap times is a fuckin joke when talking about race bikes!

[Kickaha]

I like to keep things simple, but this attitude that less power equals faster lap times is a fuckin joke when talking about race bikes!

I duuno about that, there's a difference between peak Hp and useable HP

[Tony.OK]

na not stock, race kit stuff.
Oh ok,whatever happens Brian,will look forward to talkin shit at your next doable race meet:soon:

I know of properly built race motors chernobling after 800-1500 kays mate.
Gulp........12 000kms on mine.................did I notice a puff of smoke last time I started it:shit:

[FROSTY]

yea frosty misread it again--sheesh--ohh and thanks trashy lifes so much more peacefull now kettlepots on iggy

[Teambwr47]

Seems that either the NZ weather makes bikes produce more power than elsewhere in the world or there's plenty of complete BS being banded around in these parts re horsepower figures.

Dyno runs are useful for just one thing and that's taking a good, well maintained motor and developing it on the same dyno in as near conditions as possible between runs. They are a tuning/development tool for the skilled or a tool to boost egos/bullshit customers for others........

I've heard some people talking up how much they think a SP600 produces and it makes me chuckle when they quote figures beyond what my full FIM spec kitted 600's used to produce in Europe.

[kiwi cowboy]

Says the guy who bought a bung bike....

least hes got a bike:Pokey::Pokey::buggerd:

[White trash]

Don't know about the C grade mode, but most seem to suggest the K7 is faster in B mode. Who thinks it faster? Ex All Japan 125 and 250 GP rider Atushi Murata, who is the Suzuki settings test rider admits that he set his fastest time around Phillip Island at the launch of the K7 using B mode. Kevin Schwantz also stated that he was faster in B mode. This is info in the April 2007 Rapid Bikes magazine. You do know how the B mode works don't you?
Yup. "B" mode supposedly allows full power with a softer delivery, I can see how some people can run faster with that delivery. "C" mode gives 70% full power. It's shit.

We have two maps we use on the WBP bike. Map 2 is the one I ran at Wanganui. Essentially Ray tuned the bike for less engine braking through the stock clutch by telling the injection to slow down it's close off rate. We kept that as a backup map as I really liked the way it performed. It's also really nice for wet weather.

Our "Map 1" is 21HP up on stock, but tuned for the Yoshi clutch which requires 1/3 less back torque to slip, so is probably about the same on braking but the butterflys close at the same rate as the throttle.

I've yet to test both maps in the wet but when I do, we'll make a further decision on what way to go in terms of wet power delivery.

[jrandom]

yea frosty misread it again--sheesh--ohh and thanks trashy lifes so much more peacefull now kettlepots on iggy

Actually, re. the suspension post, yes, Sam did have some trick shit going on. I was taking the piss out of RT's recent thread about the stuff he put in that bike, and how we should all buy some too.

;)

[Sparky Bills]

Yup. "B" mode supposedly allows full power with a softer delivery, I can see how some people can run faster with that delivery. "C" mode gives 70% full power. It's shit.

We have two maps we use on the WBP bike. Map 2 is the one I ran at Wanganui. Essentially Ray tuned the bike for less engine braking through the stock clutch by telling the injection to slow down it's close off rate. We kept that as a backup map as I really liked the way it performed. It's also really nice for wet weather.

Our "Map 1" is 21HP up on stock, but tuned for the Yoshi clutch which requires 1/3 less back torque to slip, so is probably about the same on braking but the butterflys close at the same rate as the throttle.

I've yet to test both maps in the wet but when I do, we'll make a further decision on what way to go in terms of wet power delivery.


Im sorry.... But do you realise how cool that sounds!?

[jrandom]

Im sorry.... But do you realise how cool that sounds!?

Over time, Mr Trash has become inured to his own awesomeness.

[Drew]

Im sorry.... But do you realise how cool that sounds!?But you're easily impressed Marty.


Over time, Mr Trash has become inured to his own awesomeness.And those that try a sly dig are exposed as jealous, of talent and wit. (Needlessly since Jimmy has neither.)

[jrandom]

those that try a sly dig...

:shit:

You cut me deep, man, you cut me deep.

[slowpoke]

Yup. "B" mode supposedly allows full power with a softer delivery, I can see how some people can run faster with that delivery. "C" mode gives 70% full power. It's shit.

We have two maps we use on the WBP bike. Map 2 is the one I ran at Wanganui. Essentially Ray tuned the bike for less engine braking through the stock clutch by telling the injection to slow down it's close off rate. We kept that as a backup map as I really liked the way it performed. It's also really nice for wet weather.

Our "Map 1" is 21HP up on stock, but tuned for the Yoshi clutch which requires 1/3 less back torque to slip, so is probably about the same on braking but the butterflys close at the same rate as the throttle.

I've yet to test both maps in the wet but when I do, we'll make a further decision on what way to go in terms of wet power delivery.

Fookin' hell mate, I don't know what I'm more envious of, that you've got such a cool toy or that you know how to use it.

Hmmm, maybe toy quality is proportional to skill, which kinda explains while I haven't graduated from carbs yet...........

[FROSTY]

I know of properly built race motors chernobling after 800-1500 kays mate.
Oxmoron aint it--propperly/chernobling?

[Sollyboy]

I know of properly built race motors chernobling after 800-1500 kays mate.

Theres also a lot of them out there that have served long life on the road after being a race bike , just by putting stock or stage 2 cams back in and capping the over rev

[Drew]

Oxmoron aint it--propperly/chernobling?

Nope, there's thing beyond control bro. Rod/crank/cam and chain integrity. All are mass produced, even the flash ones, and steel has been known not to be as uniform as it should be at times.

[codgyoleracer]

Sorry I dont know how experienced you are Archer, but 160 is more than enough on a Zx10 in race mode to start with, they can ask you to " get off' at any time they please............ (dunno about the 08 model though).
I would treat that figure as your base line Archer & move forward from there.

I have lapped Pukekohe at exactly the same pace on a 164hp 04 (10) & a 184hp (o5) 10 on the same day., its all in the power delivery & of course suspension set up. And there was a certain No88 bike that was all over my ass on a 600 that very same day doin 58's as well............( & he only had 125hp).

I know for sure that Shaun spent a lot of time on that bike & engine (and he raced it very effectivly also).

Regarding reliability - well your in the " lap of the gods" in respect to any race bike - however the 1000's are way less stressed out than say the 600's or smaller engines as they simply are not heldup in the upper rev range for much of their life aye.

Hope to see you out there soon givig Jimmy a hurry up......

Cheers
Glen

[Sparky Bills]

But you're easily impressed Marty.

And those that try a sly dig are exposed as jealous, of talent and wit. (Needlessly since Jimmy has neither.)


True true...
Simple thing for simple minds mes thinks...:niceone:

[skidMark]

Well you know about it now, are you going to do anything about it??????

WAHHHHHHHHHH
Sounds like you are the one throwing your toys out of the cot archer.

[dickytoo]

I havent even got close to the cash required for that. My mechanic is working closly with Kawasaki and Neil Powel to get the job done properly

you'll find that derek is very reasonable about his charges and he is always keen to help a fellow kawasaki punter. in fact, i first got to know derek well through him volunteering to help me degree a zx9r race bike i was building. he even did it for free!

if you want to talk to him, he works at AFC motors in palmerston north.