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Tank

30th May 2008, 22:12

Its time to take action for the atrocities committed to the biker community by one above the law "person".
Any one who feels output(at the least) post in this thread (or because said ding dong donkey f@c%er frequents this site) pm me.
I spent the last atnr watching this guy harass a rider by sitting less than 5 meteres behind said rider with his spotlights on in his car. The rider ran well wide on a corner. It is only a matter of time untill someone gets injured.
Or ran over(ay gareth)

If you saw that and were so concerned - why not go lodge a formal complain about him??

Bitching about it on a forum is about as useful as a mastie - only less fun.

westie

30th May 2008, 22:20

Bitching about it on a forum is about as useful as a mastie - only less fun.

Well thats debateable. I'd far rather a good ole, :Offtopic:

This is going to be a constructive thread collating efforts to appease wronged bikers.

as said in other thread nothing personal:)
Edit argh wrong biker(sorry tank)

ManDownUnder

30th May 2008, 22:25

Take it to his superiors, request action be taken, and if it's not to YOUR satisfaction, take it on to the Police Complaints Authority. That's one source of power we have.

The other is to invite the media into examine it and take the issue totally public. That's an uphill battle of course - who's to say they will even consider the story - but then if you don't try you won't know right? It IS election year... and that's in your favour for a hard hitting outcome (Police Ministers don;t like naughty peopel going unpunished on their watch...)

What else are you thinking of doing? Burning a cross on his lawn, shooting his cat (emotive and extreme examples I know... but I used them as crazy examples - I'm not suggesting you would do them)

The process is there and must be adhered to or anything done by anyone will simply come back to bite you and all of us in the butt.

Tank

30th May 2008, 22:28

Westie - I agree with the idea of doing something - its just that I dont think your approach will achieve much other than pissing him off and making life harder all round for bikers on his 'beat'

Here is a variation on a theme that I posted earlier today about the same guy:

Anyway - to move forward:

Why not use the KB community. Apparently this copper is well known.

IF everyone who has bad instances with this guy (like the tail gaiting) got off their ass and lodged complaints (perhaps we could start a sticky thread for compaints actually lodged against this copper) it will get to the point when even the traffic powers that be will see "whoa baby - there is a problem here".

Heck - after 12 months we could use the information act to see how many formal compaints made by bikers were made against officer XXX - and that will make good reading in the Herald esp if the bastard is still on the road.

Gotta make and effort to make it work tho'

Swoop

30th May 2008, 22:58

I have just posted this in the "entrapment" thread, but think it appropriate here as well.

Everything out in open cyberspace where the ginger cunt can read it at his leisure.

Be smarter and organise "countermeasures" in the privacy of the "ATNR Regulars" social group area. At least it will be private and the cunt will be guessing what is being planned... unless someone allows him access.

westie

31st May 2008, 08:22

Westie - I agree with the idea of doing something - its just that I dont think your approach will achieve much other than pissing him off and making life harder all round for bikers on his 'beat'

Here is a variation on a theme that I posted earlier today about the same guy:

I agree with you. I was starting out in this thread to do just that. Maybe the title and explanation could be tidied up a little:innocent:

I have just posted this in the "entrapment" thread, but think it appropriate here as well.

Everything out in open cyberspace where the ginger cunt can read it at his leisure.

Be smarter and organise "countermeasures" in the privacy of the "ATNR Regulars" social group area. At least it will be private and the cunt will be guessing what is being planned... unless someone allows him access.

Ha ha yea Kinda did it in the open so said s@#t face could read it as he told me he does.

White trash

31st May 2008, 08:53

Simple really, if the guy's acting dangerously, go to the Police Complaints Authority.

mowgli

31st May 2008, 09:05

Simple really, if the guy's acting dangerously, go to the Police Complaints Authority.

Stick to the facts. Avoid emotional outbursts. Report your incident promptly and before you post it here. Ideally there'd be a couple of independent witnesses to the same incident but their independence is shot if it can be shown that the might have discussed it in an online forum such as this - private or not. Finally, if your house is made of glass you might expect a few stones hurled back your way.

R6_kid

31st May 2008, 09:45

It wasn't the ginger c00nt that nearly ran me over last year, it was one of his subordinates. Needless to say that he was following *that* close that had his car had the same fate as the front wheel of my bike across the loose gravel I probably would have needed the ambulance. Didn't help that he almost ran westie off the road so he could get behind me to pull me over.

I'll be seriously considering putting a complaint in - found the ticket the other day so I know his name/service number etc, just going to talk to some friends in the force over what is legal for them and what is not in such circumstances and will address it accordingly. Doesn't help that I paid the ticket already though.

The Stranger

31st May 2008, 10:00

If you saw that and were so concerned - why not go lodge a formal complain about him??

Bitching about it on a forum is about as useful as a mastie - only less fun.

Jeeze Tank, settle. He aint bitching. He's trying to collect info to assess his approach so as he don't go off half cocked. This is the logical and sensible way to approach the problem.

A lot more people on here would do well to get their facts straight before shooting their mouths off, so how about give him a chance before bitching about him bitching (which he isn't)

Maha

31st May 2008, 10:16

Was talking to a couple of long time locals yesterday (I was working north of Kaukop) and they showed me a place where 'a cop' (hair colour unknowen) sit and points the magic stick. You cant see him but he has a view of about a kilometer back down SH16. Most who ride this road will know where im talking about if I post the location.

Tank

31st May 2008, 10:33

Jeeze Tank, settle. He aint bitching. He's trying to collect info to assess his approach so as he don't go off half cocked. This is the logical and sensible way to approach the problem.

A lot more people on here would do well to get their facts straight before shooting their mouths off, so how about give him a chance before bitching about him bitching (which he isn't)

The problem is that even if 100 people posted about issues in this thread its all for nothing - it is simple bitching. And westie cannot do anything with it - its not like he can take forum postings to the police co plains authority on behalf of a ton of anonamous KB members.

As I said in my earlier post people need to actually lodge formal complaints about the guy. Then if there is a colates thread of actually useful and qualifiable facts - then westie will have setting useful to use.

Sorry about spelling / typos doing this post on phone

Tank

31st May 2008, 10:39

But sadly- I'm betting that in 12 months people will still be bitching about the guy because few people are actually willing go get off their keyboards and go down to the sation. (not saying westie - I'm talking people in general.)

Its our combined lack of action that enables him to carry on

WarlockNZ

31st May 2008, 14:10

The police are hiring Gingaa's now??? when did that happen ???

Seriously tho ...

It is the responsibility of the Police to uphold the law, they are not above it, as various court cases will testify, if an individual (civilian) is breaking the law, it is the duty of a police officer to enforce the law, however, police officers, have a moral and ethical responsibility to not only work but live within the law.

If a member of the police force is using his or her position as a member of law enforcement to abuse the law and intimidate members of the public, we, as citizens have a duty and a right to report it and we should.

I personally would have no problem with going into the closest police station and filing a report against a police officer, if I felt that the actions of said officer warrented it.

From what i've read, it would seem that the officer in question needs to be called into the principal's office and giving a talking too.

the police force, regardless of country, will always discipline there own, as a lack of public confidence in the force undermines the work they do.

If you feel as strongly as i think you do, file a report, while a public forum may or may not be the best venue to air your issues, the fact remains, that as a citizen, YOU, have a moral and ethical responsibility to report the actions of a police officer that is acting outside the law.

here endith the lesson.

Swoop

31st May 2008, 15:24

MadDuck

31st May 2008, 15:35

Post a Google Earth picture of the location please.

I am guessing all that will do is cause him to move location. Theres plenty of places for them to hide up and down 16

God I hate working on the weekend

Cr1MiNaL

31st May 2008, 15:41

The problem is that this ginga pig is the CO. He hates bikers, told me so himself and doesnt show up in court because he knows he is simply harasing bikers. I will sign a petition to send to his senior sargent if one were started.

Swoop

31st May 2008, 15:49

I am guessing all that will do is cause him to move location. Theres plenty of places for them to hide up and down 16
Good. Keep the bastard on his toes.
If all the common hiding places are posted here (special thread perhaps?) this will keep him busy.

westie

31st May 2008, 16:18

I would like people to post up their accounts with the officers that harass the atnr and any other riders out old north rd, peak rd and waitoki etc.
Please specify a place/area around the area I mentioned.
It would only be of help if you know the officer number or the date and rego of the car they drove.

All I'm asking for is some others to air their issues and lodge a complaint if they feel they need to. I suppose just a brief account otherwise it might be as another member says not good for our cause.

I will be lodging a complaint but never had any problems with police in the past so I really have no idea what to do.
This is my first infringement on a motor bike ever.

The gin gaaa threatened me
" you will not complain about me, I will arrest you for wasting police time" Quote un quote.

He was wasting his time very well on his own thanks.

Would love to see him disciplined(but not sexually he can keep that at home)

Maha

31st May 2008, 16:27

Post a Google Earth picture of the location please.

Let everyone know these hiding spots so as to deny the "person" any peace and quiet.

Google Earth is all fuzzy (excuse the pun) at the location on 16 that I want...Bugger!
Will spell it out...

Heading North...past Woodcocks on the right...about 13ks up on the left is the Hoteo Bridge/Boat Ramp...it has a building (boat club) and seperate toilets.
He sits behind a tree close to the shitters and points back towards the south...and has a good clear view for quite some distance.

crazefox

31st May 2008, 16:29

you should of just stopped and punched the dirty fucking pig in the head.Thats what they all need

westie

31st May 2008, 16:34

you should of just stopped and punched the dirty fucking pig in the head.Thats what they all need

:lol: You know he will be sitting at the computer eating a carrot and reading your post huh.

crazefox

31st May 2008, 16:36

I hope he is.If he did the too me i would stop for sure and have a LOT to say too the filthly pig:Police::Police::Police::Police:

Katman

31st May 2008, 16:37

If all the common hiding places are posted here (special thread perhaps?) this will keep him busy.

If nothing else, it might slow some motorcyclists down. :msn-wink:

yungatart

31st May 2008, 16:43

If nothing else, it might slow some motorcyclists down. :msn-wink:

You sound as though you seriously believe the "Speed Kills" campaign.
High speed, or indeed, speed over the 100 k allowed in NZ does not necessarily constitute silly, careless or dangerous behaviour.
Back on topic...this thread has nothing to do with speed as such. It is all to do with a cop, who has said he hates motorcyclists and has a whole raft of tricks up his sleeve to harass them, whether they are doing anything wrong or not. His tactics include some seriously dodgy and dangerous manouevres and he needs to be brought to account for same.
I wish you guys well in your efforts!

westie

31st May 2008, 16:43

I hope he is.If he did the too me i would stop for sure and have a LOT to say too the filthly pig:Police::Police::Police::Police:

Ha ha i got light headed from going at him. But it never actually helps. Should'a done what mikkel says. Get in front and brake like fuck.

SixPackBack

31st May 2008, 17:17

Just a note on the Ginga copper. It appears at least two of these operate in the Rodney County.

Westie your guy sounds measurably worse than my 'Rodney ginga experience', the guy that pinged me was reasonable [Officer Jane], spoilt only by me experiencing him first hand riding his own bike in a most unlawful manner [surburban road] at high speed a few months later.
I have heard many folk complain of 'the ginga one' and always assumed it was officer Jane. It maybe time to work out who we need to watch?

Can you name and shame Westie?

westie

31st May 2008, 17:31

Can you name and shame Westie?

Sure can but wont till I get what I want from the complaints or thority.

Can verifyu if we are talking bout the same guy tho. I have his orrificer number

El Dopa

31st May 2008, 17:43

Heading North...past Woodcocks on the right...about 13ks up on the left is the Hoteo Bridge/Boat Ramp...it has a building (boat club) and seperate toilets.
He sits behind a tree close to the shitters and points back towards the south...and has a good clear view for quite some distance.

Know that spot well. There's some mint fast sweepers for a K or two as you approach that spot from the south.

Thanks for the warning.

Maha

31st May 2008, 17:48

Know that spot well. There's some mint fast sweepers for a K or two as you approach that spot from the south.

Thanks for the warning.

Exactly..I was standing in the spot where he would be parked, and you can, not only see well, but hear extremely well all the way back to that right hander coming off the hill. Its not like 'bang' hes there!..he will have you well before you know anything about it.

Ixion

31st May 2008, 17:58

SixPackBack

31st May 2008, 18:02

Yup races in F2 as well I think.....will dig out his officer number later and see if its the same guy

ozrobo

31st May 2008, 19:40

how does a car get that close put the foot down hide round a corner when he does chase the bugger and remove his wing mirrors with the axos i reakon

peasea

31st May 2008, 20:23

(Name removed) is the name I've heard. Dunno about an alter ego. Anyone have another name.

How about 'cunt'?

Swoop

31st May 2008, 20:38

If nothing else, it might slow some motorcyclists down. :msn-wink:
I don't know why.
Ride to the conditions.

My brain is obviously too thick to absorb the retarded gubbinment propaganda campaign that "speed kills".

Ixion

31st May 2008, 21:25

How about 'cunt'?

That's his rank. Slightly lower than an arsehole.

Swoop

31st May 2008, 21:29

Ankle, would be more appropriate.

boomer

31st May 2008, 21:36

the funny thing is that life has a habit of catching up on us all.. so he's got a hell of a bit debt to pay and i'll be suprised if hes employed as a cuntstable for much longer .. and we'll all see him as a security gaurd at our local supermarket.

bad coppers soon out...

peasea

31st May 2008, 21:40

I can see that an ankle would be lower but I've never smelt an ankle I wouldn't lick. Which brings me to..........

I think that ginga might smell like that and therein lies the connection.

Cr1MiNaL

31st May 2008, 22:15

SixPackBack

1st June 2008, 10:09

(Name removed) is the name I've heard. Dunno about an alter ego. Anyone have another name.

Officer E990.

Swoop

1st June 2008, 10:23

I can see that an ankle would be lower...
The saying has always been "an ankle is three feet lower than a cu*t".

Skyryder

1st June 2008, 11:11

The saying has always been "an ankle is three feet lower than a cu*t".

Personaly I like them 'both' about three feet higher. :jerry:

Skyryder

Biggles08

1st June 2008, 11:34

On the ATNR there were two officers in the silver hyandai. One was the guy who did me for speeding and I lost my license in Feb this year. I mistook him for the cunt who gave me a ticket for my #plate but was wrong. The reason I remembered him was he was the guy I overtook at 165kph and lost my license to. Fair 'cop' and I was speeding and deserved the infringement (Even though a warning would have been sufficient considering I was following him for well over 10ks at 100kph so it was a short wee squirt and I slowed down again, then he caught up and gave me the ticket).

Anyway, on the ATNR he mentioned my plate to me and that was the reason he pulled me over. He didn't give me a ticket for it and I told him I was going to court over it for another ticket I received. He said he would find the rules and regs and contact me so I had all the info when I went to court. Good bloke IMO even if he is a bit pedantic over the whole 'speed kills' scenario. He gave me his card and his name is (name removed by Moderator). He told me he often gets confused with 6pb's ginger (name removed) and was extremely expressive about ensuring I understood that he was not him. The driver next to him in this instance however was being a twat. He came screaming up behind me with lights on full (which is interesting considering the tickets he issued that night) and overtook me at a speed in excess of 120kph - i guesstimate about 130kph)... I will write a letter complaining about this as it was a clear case of bad driving.

Now as for the wanker that gave me the ticket for the #plate and no rear facing red reflector (see here (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=69482)) - his officer # is HJH344 (HJ--do you think its possible... (name removed by moderator) ???? :Pokey:)

westie

1st June 2008, 13:00

Now as for the wanker that gave me the ticket for the #plate and no rear facing red reflector (see here (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=69482)) - his officer # is HJH344 (HJ--do you think its possible...???? :Pokey:)

Nope not the officer that I encountered as I know as gingaa (three foot lower than a ankle-cunt as others know him)
His number was ...ACD 868

Disco Dan

1st June 2008, 13:07

If only.... *sigh*

<img src="http://wheel.blogs.com/binary/HelpTheseGingerKids-thumb.jpg"

Ixion

1st June 2008, 13:14

westie

1st June 2008, 14:28

ACD 868 is the one that harassed the atnr this week. He is the one doing 130km/h to chase someone doing legal speeds with no red and blues flashing. Also the one to blind me with his lights and spotlights when tailgating me through twisty section then over taking me on a blind corner.
And tailgating riders to ... I dunno make them go faster?

Mind you it seems interesting that after a two or three kilometre straight he was nowhere to be seen but in an instant he was behind me. And he was seen at the start of the straight too. Must have gone warp speed to catch up!

Skyryder

1st June 2008, 14:29

Bloody Hell. We now appear to have *THREE* gingas! ACD868 , HJH344 , and E990 (which doesn't look right for a badge number) . Shit, it's a pandemic.

Which one is THE ginga? Or are they all as bad as each other?

They have decided to go undercover and dye their hair.:angry2:

Skyryder

fridayflash

1st June 2008, 14:42

take it back 'ol school...throw a brick through his window,send him some
hate mail and kick his cat lol
maybe send his mum some flowers with a note saying "give my regards
to gingerminge" hehe

kevfromcoro

1st June 2008, 14:47

They have decided to go undercover and dye their hair.:angry2:

Skyryder

Yeah ..you are onto it..they have been reading this tread...sneaky prix..
and they have all dyed there hair ginga to through us out..

Bonez

1st June 2008, 14:52

Bloody Hell. We now appear to have *THREE* gingas! ACD868 , HJH344 , and E990 (which doesn't look right for a badge number) . Shit, it's a pandemic.

Which one is THE ginga? Or are they all as bad as each other?Repent us Gingas are out to ya'll yuk yuk.

Best of luck finding the correct copper coppa. Don't forget they're telepathic.

brendonjw

1st June 2008, 15:24

Good luck with this. I had a undercover cop following right up my ass a lil while back (i was in a car) This was on suburban streets in the afternoon (re litlle kids running around), if i had of jammed on the breaks if a kid ran out or something he would had have been screwed (my upgraded breaks, tires and lightish ie 1 ton car, VS his heavy commyhore) I dont care, cop or no cop, tailgating like that is just dangerous and stupid :bash:

westie

1st June 2008, 15:26

Geez come on guys some thing helpful as far as the law goes would be good first.
If that fails
Then those other ideas could be helpful.

If it gets real bad I'll put some flowers in his petrol cap and call it even:love:

peasea

1st June 2008, 15:41

[ Or are they all as bad as each other?

Glad you said that. I don't want to be accused of starting another CBT

peasea

1st June 2008, 15:43

Repent us Gingas are out to ya'll yuk yuk.

Best of luck finding the correct copper coppa. Don't forget they're telepathic.

He might live in Kaukapakapa (Cow-copper-coppa) and they're all telepathetic

SixPackBack

1st June 2008, 16:49

Bloody Hell. We now appear to have *THREE* gingas! ACD868 , HJH344 , and E990 (which doesn't look right for a badge number) . Shit, it's a pandemic.

Which one is THE ginga? Or are they all as bad as each other?

Double checked the badge number.........E990 is written on the ticket, I know for a fact this is Officer Jayne.He has a sign-on KB, last onsite 8 May.

Who are the others?

Renegade

2nd June 2008, 00:31

Double checked the badge number.........E990 is written on the ticket, I know for a fact this is Officer Jayne.He has a sign-on KB, last onsite 8 May.

Who are the others?

theres another in auckland to ASY867 or simalar.

That would explain a few things since the "E" numbers were the old MOT boys that transfered over to the police.

pick the slickest rider, drop the number plate and fall to the back of the pack, when he pulls in behind flour bomb his windscreen so when he adds washer water it turns to glue, then gap it. :girlfight:

El Dopa

2nd June 2008, 09:00

Bloody Hell. We now appear to have *THREE* gingas! ACD868 , HJH344 , and E990 (which doesn't look right for a badge number) . Shit, it's a pandemic.

Which one is THE ginga? Or are they all as bad as each other?

I'm Spartacop! No, I'M Spartacop!

I'm Spartacop, and so's my wife!

scracha

2nd June 2008, 09:22

Come on guys, give the copper a break. I mean, if you were ginger and called Jane then wouldn't you be handing out infringements like raffle tickets?

scracha

2nd June 2008, 09:26

Come on guys, give the copper a break. I mean, if you were ginger and called (xxxx) then wouldn't you be handing out infringements like raffle tickets?

Seriously though. After my experience with an arsehole copper pinging the wrong bike and hearing about this, I'm moving towards the idea of hiding a cheapo video camera on my motorcycle. Certainly will always be pressing the "record" button on my moby whenever dealing with traffic cops in future. They're not all arseholes and hopefully if someone catches the bad apples "on record" then this sort of $hit will stop happening and they'll maybe concentrate on real crime.

Pixie

2nd June 2008, 09:43

Google Earth is all fuzzy (excuse the pun) at the location on 16 that I want...Bugger!
Will spell it out...

.
Sorry,I arranged that so my location remains unknown.

The following occured earlier this year:

Last night ,on the way back from Mangawhai, I had some arsehole cop in a ute follow me all the way back to Wellsford.
I refer to him as that because the sawn off prick was never further than one car length behind me for the whole distance at 100 km/hr in the dark.

I just had a word with the sargeant at the Wellsford police station about it.
He didn't seem happy to hear of this.Especially when I suggested that the culprit was probably out on the road at the moment giving someone's granny a ticket for 111 km/hr.

The sargeant called me back to say he gave the cop a bollocking.(it wasn't gingernuts by the way)
So I suggest you complain over the cops head.
Also, he is obviously a wanker and if it was he that told you he was the CO,I suggest there is a good chance he is bullshitting.
If he was to arrest you on ficticious charges - good, that would really fuck him up for good.

westie

2nd June 2008, 10:34

If one was to complain about harassment would it be possible to get something that stops the said poilice orrificer from harassing me. ie on thursday nights he couldn't patrol our route?
Of course all other poilice officers would be welcome to join, just not the bad ones with problems...

breakaway

2nd June 2008, 11:33

Silver Hyundai eh?

<img src='http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/3976/dsc00140roz7.jpg'/>

First and last time I went on the ATNR.

westie

2nd June 2008, 11:55

Thats the one sounds like the lead actor from "the office"(english series)

Check out those spotlights!
I thought it was illegal to have them on?

breakaway

2nd June 2008, 12:14

Although I didn't notice any dodgy police behaviour first hand, there was a lot of confusion. Especially when I came over a hump and saw flashing reds and blues in the distance. :crazy: And everyone's brake lights started coming on like clockwork :Pokey:

Skyryder

2nd June 2008, 13:46

Ixion

2nd June 2008, 14:16

k lets get a few things straight.

The infamous "ginga copper" is NOT (name removed by moderator). and that is how it is spelled. I am only printing his name here because it has already been posted further up. (xxxx) is actually a fair police officer and a reasonable person. I object to people defaming others in public when they dont actually have their facts totally right. I know (xxxx) personally, and he was in fact the police officer who issued my speed dangerous offence notice...which I deserved, no arguement there.
Unfortunatly (xxxx) does have a red tinge to his hair and is most commonly mistaken for the "Ginga Copper".

Now... the police officer everyone is ACTUALLY referring to....

This person is the one who I know for a fact (through my family who are police at the same station) is doing he following:

a) Has a competition with his mate Steve **** to see who can take the most licences off motorcyclists in a calender year.

b)Most often chooses to drive a "mufti" car, and upon return from a set of shifts, the brakes need replacing/servicing due to excessive wear.... normally very seldom need replacing (indicating his high speed driving is excessive compared to other HP officers)

c) Only issues tickets in the 140kph+ bracket as it results in a loss of licence (sometimes vehicle too).

d) Other HP police have complained that he is not policing the 110 to 140 bracket as this does not suit his loss of licence policy.

e) Other GD police and HP AND Motorways officers ave expressed their dislike for this man and his tactics he employs.

f) Has no tolerence for any motorcyclist whatsoever, I have never hear of him issuing a warning ever.

His Name ... Andy (xxxx), Senior Constable, Strategic Traffic Unit, North Shore Policing Centre.

Surname omitted for lible reasons, PM me for it.

He is the officer in he foreground of breakaways photo

OK. Thanks for that. So, Orificer Jane is out of the frame (sounds right - the ex-MoT guys don't usually play stupid games).

So does anyone know if this Andy dude is one of the badge numbers specified (ACD868 or HJH344 since E990 is out of play)?

Anyway , we now know who he is, and also what his game is. And , by inference may suspect that Steve (whoever he is) is probably up to much the same tricks. Is he the other badge ?

Next thing is we need anyone who's had a ticket from Andy boy that is unreasonable (needs to be unreasonable, not just 'e took me licence just cos I wuz doing 180 clicks' ), or knows for a fact that he was playing dangerous games (can't just rely on 'ginga coppa' cos it could be the OTHER ginga copper,, have to have been stopped. )

If a sufficient numbe rof instances can be established, then a case to the Whitewsh Authority may be feasible.

But, do bear in mind, that dishing out tickets to people who are actually breaking the law is in fact his job. So it needs to be more than that.

Ixion

2nd June 2008, 16:26

A bit tricky because clearly you will only be issued an Infringement notice or Traffic Offence Notice if you have committed an alleged offence. Perhaps his tactics are underhanded, but probably not illegal.. except travelling too close. ,.

Tickets for speeding (especially over 140) are probably not much help to us. They are bound to be justified (ie no-one has suggested he is making up the speeds); and TPTB are unlikely to look kindly on bikers complaining about being ticketed for speeding, when they were actually speeding. In fact , since Mr Speedie notes that he doesn't much bother with the 111 - 139 range, he could even argue that he is quite lenient.

But, if a longish list could be produced of trivial nitpicking tickets (especially ones later dropped or thrown out by the court) that could go to show harrassment.

SixPackBack

2nd June 2008, 16:42

k lets get a few things straight.

The infamous "ginga copper" is NOT...

If the information presented to you is correct Speedie you are stating that Police officers are knowingly behaving in an illegal and questionably dangerous manner. How the fuck do these c00nts get away with it?.

MSTRS

2nd June 2008, 16:53

... How the fuck do these c00nts get away with it?.

Because they can. And they've been doing it for years, so are very good at knowing how far they can go. And because their bosses look at the results only...not the methods.
There are ways to stop it, but they're not legal....

westie

2nd June 2008, 22:47

Good work speedie. You have cleared up the confusion over just which ginge is the orrificer harassing bikers.

Andy!

That is very funny you mention his brakes. Every corner as I was following him there would be a cloud of smoke. No tyre marks but smelling like brake pads. No wonder they need changing all the time. Dick cant drive for shit. Or maybe he should order sinted pads for extra heavy duty braking.

I want to organise this week a time to make my complaint. Cant post where, when or who as the orrificer is able to read our posts and frequently does.

So if any one else would like info on who to see then pm me. Not till end of the week tho. Takes me fricken ages to get organised

brendonjw

2nd June 2008, 23:17

If he wants to be a punk and try and entrap bikers why not try and turn it around on him, get some guys in a car (why a car, you can use a decent video recorder with a higher pixel count for better picture) to follow behind the last bike (before he gets the chance too) make sure they have a video camera, go a bit slower than the bikes round some twisties, speed up to 109 on the straights, if he passes on the straights with no flashing lights hes speeding and you have it on camera (admitidly wont do that much),but if your following him on the twisties and film his driving with the brakes locking up etc, *555 him for reckless driving, could even mention the way hes driving it the vehicle could be stolen hehe, and you have video evidence of it..... may go some way in proving his methods are dangerous.

Skyryder

3rd June 2008, 09:17

nodrog

3rd June 2008, 09:48

you guys should call Fair Go

Cr1MiNaL

3rd June 2008, 12:30

someone I know personally very well met Andy last year who pulled him over on the motorway heading north (orewa) for doing 122kmph. Fair call he got ticketed for it (he had an international lisence at the time, which he was ticked on). Also got a ticket similar to Biggles08 for a relocated perfectly visible number plate.

14 days later same cop (Andy ACD...) pulles him over again. This time recognises him as the guy he ticketed last fortnight and asks for lisence. When questioned with why he was being pulled over as he wasnt speeding here were Andy's exact words " I pull over all motorcycles, they evade the law and don't have lisences or Regos".

Anyway he shows Andy his lisence and Andy says this is an international lisence and I deem it not legal. Here's $400 for it. When protesting Andy said what are you protesting the ticket? would you like another ticket??

4 months later and in court. Andy does not show up. The appointed barrister looks at the non-speeding tickets and has a chuckle. Later on in court the judge books him for the 122 charge and corresponding demerits and fine, but whiffs away the other bs charges.

Tell me this how can someone be charged with not holding a legal lisence, when just 14 days ago it was legal enough to base the ticket on? Is this a matter of convenience?

Ixion

3rd June 2008, 12:32

OK. Thyat (the international licence bit) is what is needed. Get enough people willing to sign a complaint to the Whitewash Authority about such stuff and it might stick.

Morcs

3rd June 2008, 12:40

Disco Dan

3rd June 2008, 12:40

Someone PM me andy's surname, I have a contact in the police will see what I can find out about him.

Morcs

3rd June 2008, 12:47

I have a plan.

Someone somehow tip said copper off about the ride this week, so we make sure hes there, following from westgate preferably.

Then proceed to do said ride at 50kph. all the way.

Then when he tickets us for riding too slowly or some shit like that, all go and appeal, as we were too scared to ride at the speed limit with that dangerous cunt around.

Dooly

3rd June 2008, 12:59

I guess its only a matter of time before he picks on a guy who is having a bad day, who then decides to give the ginga a 'bad day.':whistle:

MSTRS

3rd June 2008, 13:18

I guess its only a matter of time before he picks on a guy who is having a bad day, who then decides to give the ginga a 'bad day.':whistle:

Exactly. What goes around, comes around....
All talk of how to 'get' this prick should be taken to a sub-forum that he can't access. The best defence is a good offence, and the most effective attacks are the ones that weren't seen coming. Or where the attackee is busy looking in one direction, whilst....BOOM!!

unrealone

3rd June 2008, 13:20

Please, for the love of god if you succeed, don't have him transferred :) There's a chance Wellington may be tainted by his evil wrath.

This has been an interesting read and exciting to follow. I hope he gets what he deserves.

Good Luck!

MSTRS

3rd June 2008, 13:23

Methinks that one trip up the 'takas will see him 'right'. No prisoners up there.

Maha

3rd June 2008, 13:25

Methinks that one trip up the 'takas will see him 'right'. No prisoners up there.

Damn right...they escape and go live in Upper Hutt.

MSTRS

3rd June 2008, 13:29

Damn right...they escape and go live in Upper Hutt.

Ah. Yes. I meant that road takes no prisoners....

Tank

3rd June 2008, 14:19

One of my complaints has to be how he referred to the late Rayza.

Ginger took our licenses last year, and when he got me this year mentioned how he wasnt suprised that the idiot who 'dangerously' overtook him that night has wound up dead.

I couldnt quote, but just wanted to smash the cunt.

Now - I dont know Rayza - or how he died - so I'm saying this as politely as possible.

I've seen many, many bikers on the road who I believe will end up killing themselves on the road with their riding.

Possibly - he feels the same way. In this case he may have been correct.

Whilst its not nice, (and he probably should not have said that to a stranger hes ticketing) but we do need to look at ourselves also.

He is not saying anything new there that most of us haven't said about other bikers ourselves.

I have also been bribed. last time he got me, he was generally just being a cunt. I overtook a car, on double yellows, in the wet at 130 - now on paper thats got dangerous driving written all over in, in reality I could see a good 100m - and basically anything i said that he didnt like, would discuss outloud with his pally of how dangerous the manevour (sp) and how i should really be charged with it.

So you're riding in the wet at 130, overtaking on double yellows and HE's the one being the cunt?

Again - if a copper is being unreasonable and targeting bikers - then all power to any and all who can make complaints and get him sanctioned (or whatever they do).

BUT blaming him for shit like the above is just stupid. That's YOUR fault - stand up and take some ownership.

Morcs

3rd June 2008, 14:28

Now - I dont know Rayza - or how he died - so I'm saying this as politely as possible.

I've seen many, many bikers on the road who I believe will end up killing themselves on the road with their riding.

Possibly - he feels the same way. In this case he may have been correct.

Whilst its not nice, (and he probably should not have said that to a stranger hes ticketing) but we do need to look at ourselves also.

He is not saying anything new there that most of us haven't said about other bikers ourselves.

So you're riding in the wet at 130, overtaking on double yellows and HE's the one being the cunt?

Again - if a copper is being unreasonable and targeting bikers - then all power to any and all who can make complaints and get him sanctioned (or whatever they do).

BUT blaming him for shit like the above is just stupid. That's YOUR fault - stand up and take some ownership.

This goes for everyone, not just you, whos commenting in any way of defence for the said policeman.

Come on the ATNR.

I wont listen to any comments unless you have witnessed/experienced this guy first hand.

Tank

3rd June 2008, 14:33

This goes for everyone, not just you, whos commenting in any way of defence for the said policeman.

Come on the ATNR.

I wont listen to any comments unless you have witnessed/experienced this guy first hand.

Having read many post about the ATNR from people that go on it - I wouldn't come along if you paid me. Id more worried about some on you guys than the copper.

Again - having legitimate complaints about him are fair enough (travelling too close, lights on full; dangerous driving etc). All of those things are indefensible.

However wining about being ticked (like you have) for things that fall into the dangerous riding pile are hardly going to get sympathy from many on here - little less from a independent body. THAT doesnt help your cause in the slightest - in fact it strengthens his.

westie

3rd June 2008, 14:46

Morcs you naughty little boy!!!!

Yea lets keep the posts about the topic at hand. Officer being dangerous and harassing.

Tank.

The atnr has had a few riders who come once in a blue moon and act like dicks, granted. Cant stop that from happening. One has been relocated to the southern island courtesy of KB(thanks heaps:2thumbsup)
But on the whole they are a good group of people who ride safely.
Dawn and Steve have done a great job of organising the ride and it is a great social gathering.
Please come and join in and see for yourself or.....:shutup:

madandy

3rd June 2008, 14:53

If the cop is such a dangerous bastard - take this international.

nodrog

3rd June 2008, 14:59

If the cop is such a dangerous bastard - take this international.

you mean all the way to Edgecumbe?

Morcs

3rd June 2008, 15:24

Having read many post about the ATNR from people that go on it - I wouldn't come along if you paid me. Id more worried about some on you guys than the copper.

Again - having legitimate complaints about him are fair enough (travelling too close, lights on full; dangerous driving etc). All of those things are indefensible.

However wining about being ticked (like you have) for things that fall into the dangerous riding pile are hardly going to get sympathy from many on here - little less from a independent body. THAT doesnt help your cause in the slightest - in fact it strengthens his.

thats exactly the attitude i mean.

It wasnt dangerous. I would never ever put a pillion in a situation that was dangerous.
I could do the whole ATNR route without dropping below 140 (expect 2 corners) and It wouldnt actually be dangerous.

This is where it contradicts. the officer does not give a shit about us, in fact he hates us to the point of trying to force us into doing something stupid, as well as staking us out. Then he does the 'I told you so' when someone gets hurt, and genuinely doesnt care.

So If he didnt care if we end up dead, then why doesnt he leave us the fuck alone - he seems like the type of guy that believes in natural gene pool cleansing.

Quota.

damn all these people that actually think because we get ticketed a lot that we are dangerous and cant actually ride.

spudchucka

3rd June 2008, 15:26

If the cop is such a dangerous bastard - take this international.

Its been done already, "international" wasn't impressed.:oi-grr:

Maha

3rd June 2008, 15:29

Its been done already, "international" wasn't impressed.:oi-grr:

Cant win em' all I guess
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MSTRS

3rd June 2008, 15:32

thats exactly the attitude i mean.

What attitude? Step outside the road rules and you might get pinged. "Dangerous" may be subjective, but 130k 2up over double yellows isn't exactly genius material.
Agree with tailgating and high beam shit etc. These guys are supposed to uphold the law, not break it to goad reactions. For that, the ginga should be sacked.

Roadrash

3rd June 2008, 15:45

how is this constructive, your forum bashing a ginga cop,if what your saying is above board, make a complaint to the cops or build a bridge and get over it.

Tank

3rd June 2008, 15:51

thats exactly the attitude i mean.

It wasnt dangerous. I would never ever put a pillion in a situation that was dangerous.
I could do the whole ATNR route without dropping below 140 (expect 2 corners) and It wouldnt actually be dangerous.

This is where it contradicts. the officer does not give a shit about us, in fact he hates us to the point of trying to force us into doing something stupid, as well as staking us out. Then he does the 'I told you so' when someone gets hurt, and genuinely doesnt care.

So If he didnt care if we end up dead, then why doesnt he leave us the fuck alone - he seems like the type of guy that believes in natural gene pool cleansing.

Quota.

damn all these people that actually think because we get ticketed a lot that we are dangerous and cant actually ride.

Your serious right?

You don't notice that you have just as much attitude as he does?

The upshot (In your case) is that you ARE riding in a manner that is LEGALLY dangerous. Then you complain when you get done for it. Again - that's not the coppers problem - that's yours.

No matter how 'awesome your riding skillz' doesnt come into it. IF you are riding like that each Thursday - then there is good reason for him to camp out and give you tickets (as per your old signature).

As for your comment: "So If he didnt care if we end up dead, then why doesnt he leave us the fuck alone - he seems like the type of guy that believes in natural gene pool cleansing."

Maybe he doesnt give a fuck if you kill yourself or not - who knows. But I'm pretty sure he not keen on you killing someone else who was innocently coming the other way.

Now - before I piss off the "Lets hang the Ginga" gang - Im all for him getting done if hes doing the stuff that is being posted (and I not doubting that he is) - but I suggest that people who have had so many infringements like yourself keep out of the complaint - because its never going to be taken seriously when its people like yourself compaining.

Morcs

3rd June 2008, 16:04

Your serious right?

You don't notice that you have just as much attitude as he does?

The upshot (In your case) is that you ARE riding in a manner that is LEGALLY dangerous. Then you complain when you get done for it. Again - that's not the coppers problem - that's yours.

No matter how 'awesome your riding skillz' doesnt come into it. IF you are riding like that each Thursday - then there is good reason for him to camp out and give you tickets (as per your old signature).

As for your comment: "So If he didnt care if we end up dead, then why doesnt he leave us the fuck alone - he seems like the type of guy that believes in natural gene pool cleansing."

Maybe he doesnt give a fuck if you kill yourself or not - who knows. But I'm pretty sure he not keen on you killing someone else who was innocently coming the other way.

Now - before I piss off the "Lets hang the Ginga" gang - Im all for him getting done if hes doing the stuff that is being posted (and I not doubting that he is) - but I suggest that people who have had so many infringements like yourself keep out of the complaint - because its never going to be taken seriously when its people like yourself compaining.

You speak truth and logic. but I still disagree. there's things in theory, and then in practice - the difference - common sense. My point is, its the way the cop handles these matters - If I break the law - I expect to be pulled over. I also expect to be ticketed - but at the end of the day, a good cop will give a warning first time around (not expected though) but in general will stand for reason, and help you see the error of your ways - not tell you the error of your ways and thats final and generally be a cunt about it.

Lets agree to disagree and leave it there. Id rather bitch about a cop than defend my own actions :shifty:

yungatart

3rd June 2008, 16:20

For any campaign to get rid of this cop to be successful, you guys need to be 100% law abiding..not 99%..that is not close enough. No speeding, no 'dangerous' passing manouevres, no nothing outside the law at all!
If you really plan on playing this guy at his own game, I suggest you get this thread locked and communicate only by PM or text message....I believe the guy can read!

madandy

3rd June 2008, 16:25

you mean all the way to Edgecumbe?

:laugh: Yes, the Inner Circle of Righteous Hyosung Pilots or would straighten out this perversion of justice :Police:

Tank

3rd June 2008, 16:33

:laugh: Yes, the Inner Circle of Righteous Hyosung Pilots or would straighten out this perversion of justice :Police:

Must spread bling etc etc etc

more_fasterer

3rd June 2008, 17:56

Now... the police officer everyone is ACTUALLY referring to....

This person is the one who I know for a fact (through my family who are police at the same station) is doing he following:

a) Has a competition with his mate Steve **** to see who can take the most licences off motorcyclists in a calender year.

b)Most often chooses to drive a "mufti" car, and upon return from a set of shifts, the brakes need replacing/servicing due to excessive wear.... normally very seldom need replacing (indicating his high speed driving is excessive compared to other HP officers)

c) Only issues tickets in the 140kph+ bracket as it results in a loss of licence (sometimes vehicle too).

d) Other HP police have complained that he is not policing the 110 to 140 bracket as this does not suit his loss of licence policy.

e) Other GD police and HP AND Motorways officers ave expressed their dislike for this man and his tactics he employs.

f) Has no tolerence for any motorcyclist whatsoever, I have never hear of him issuing a warning ever.

His Name ... Andy C---d, Senior Constable, Strategic Traffic Unit, North Shore Policing Centre.

Surname omitted for lible reasons, PM me for it.

He is the officer in he foreground of breakaways photo

someone I know personally very well met Andy last year who pulled him over on the motorway heading north (orewa) for doing 122kmph. Fair call he got ticketed for it (he had an international lisence at the time, which he was ticked on). Also got a ticket similar to Biggles08 for a relocated perfectly visible number plate.

14 days later same cop (Andy ACD...) pulles him over again. This time recognises him as the guy he ticketed last fortnight and asks for lisence. When questioned with why he was being pulled over as he wasnt speeding here were Andy's exact words " I pull over all motorcycles, they evade the law and don't have lisences or Regos".

Anyway he shows Andy his lisence and Andy says this is an international lisence and I deem it not legal. Here's $400 for it. When protesting Andy said what are you protesting the ticket? would you like another ticket??

4 months later and in court. Andy does not show up. The appointed barrister looks at the non-speeding tickets and has a chuckle. Later on in court the judge books him for the 122 charge and corresponding demerits and fine, but whiffs away the other bs charges.

Tell me this how can someone be charged with not holding a legal lisence, when just 14 days ago it was legal enough to base the ticket on? Is this a matter of convenience?

This is the same guy that took my license for 28 days on a bullshit speeding charge over the bridge - original post here (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1206278#post1206278)
For those that can't be bothered clicking on the link, the cops withdrew the charge before it got to court.

I had 2 witnesses against this bullshit charge, and would be happy to attest that he is indeed issuing bogus infringement notices in any complaint lodged with the PCA. Orificer no. ACD868 - was in an HP car, and I thought he had brown hair??

speedpro

3rd June 2008, 19:01

Aaaages ago there was a cop that hung out round the Desert road area, and who gave me my first ever ticket, who was a general bastard regarding motorcycles and their use thereof. Over a couple of years he annoyed lots of riders with his exaggeration and sometimes outright lies when ticketing. Note that I am NOT claiming any of us were saints. Anyway eventually he went too far and ended up with a few court cases that did not go well. The result was that he was posted to some little cow town where he spent quite a bit of time at the testing station. Traffic Officer Formosa.

Point of this story - sort out the story and make it official. Don't bitch about it, do something.

Also, I'm pretty sure you can overtake when there are double yellows as long as you don't cross them.

Usarka

3rd June 2008, 19:09

c) Only issues tickets in the 140kph+ bracket as it results in a loss of licence (sometimes vehicle too).

That's why the dopey c00nt didn't give me a ticket the other day when i was doing about 125.

It's almost worth making a complaing about....

skidMark

3rd June 2008, 19:13

ACD868 once again... was driving through albany in my honda civic...warrented regoed. was driving down the road with a car sitting up my arse and i meant right up it.

Pushing me faster and faster, couldnt exactly stonk the picks as he would have gone right up my arse, and being my only transport i would prefer it had a rear end, i was so busy looking in my mirror that my speed had crept up
i saw about 58 on my speedo, hmm i will back off may be a cop.

moment i tap brake pedal, on came the disco lights, mufti / undercover silver honda accord euro. writes me a ticket for 62kph in a 50 zone.

His job is to enforce the law, but it seems his word is law given stories you guys have told.

Eventually somebody will get sick of his BS and beat him to a pulp.

SixPackBack

3rd June 2008, 19:23

Ginga can't be all bad...he gave skiddie a ticket:rockon:

skidMark

3rd June 2008, 19:31

Ginga can't be all bad...he gave skiddie a ticket:rockon:

Oh good one there six pack.

Ginga a relative of yours?

westie

3rd June 2008, 19:32

Orificer no. ACD868 - was in an HP car, and I thought he had brown hair??

He has a real slight ginge tinge. Might have dyded it to make himself look more fiery.

Tank and morcs start your own thread or get a room.:love:

Does any one want to gather and possibly make some thoughts on the topic(those who have false claims against them)?

westie

3rd June 2008, 19:34

Oh good one there six pack.

Ginga a relative of yours?

Settle sugar, we dont want more bikers crying over spilt milk. We are doing it well in this thread:Offtopic:

Tank

3rd June 2008, 20:03

Tank and morcs start your own thread or get a room.:love:

pffft - Id split the little fella in half.:buggerd:

westie

3rd June 2008, 20:05

pffft - Id split the little fella in half.:buggerd:

You bugger!
Use loob:shutup:

skidMark

3rd June 2008, 20:07

Settle sugar, we dont want more bikers crying over spilt milk. We are doing it well in this thread:Offtopic:

You bugger!
Use loob:shutup:

Oh yes because it's so very on topic.

Patrick

3rd June 2008, 20:08

skidMark

3rd June 2008, 20:09

He doesn't work every TNR surely...

Don't break the rules... if he can't get quota, no donuts....

So hang on, there is a quota then officer? NZ police have continuously denied this.

Tumbles

3rd June 2008, 20:10

For the record, the Exxx numbers are for cops who used to be MoT traffic cops. Other police call them Ernies. I don't know why, but I know they are generally not held in high esteem. The one that cracks me up though is the name given to weigh staton cops. Mermaids because they are cunts with scales. :Offtopic:

icekiwi

3rd June 2008, 20:13

Eventually somebody will get sick of his BS and beat him to a pulp.[/QUOTE]

When I was living in Whakatane had a similar prob with a guy affectionalty known as Robocop....
Above qoute did happen to him...problem seemed to just disappear

westie

3rd June 2008, 20:14

Oh yes because it's so very on topic.

You're one gay post away from igsnore

The Pastor

3rd June 2008, 20:27

can somone get a good pic of his face? I know what he looks like - but it would be good not to tar other cops with the ginga brush.

Maybe just loosen his wheel nuts / slash his tyres?

Skyryder

3rd June 2008, 20:45

can someone get a good pic of his face? I know what he looks like - but it would be good not to tar other cops with the ginga brush.

Maybe just loosen his wheel nuts / slash his tyres?

Anyone remember that scene in American Graffiti? :Oops: Just don't get caught.

Skyrder

peasea

3rd June 2008, 21:48

Anyone remember that scene in American Graffiti? :Oops: Just don't get caught.

Skyrder

Who would care if ya did? It'd be worth the humorous publicity...........

Alternatively, I'm sure you can buy piano wire by the roll somewhere.

Brett

3rd June 2008, 22:27

Eventually somebody will get sick of his BS and beat him to a pulp.

Where IS Crazy Steve these days?

SixPackBack

4th June 2008, 06:18

He doesn't work every TNR surely...

Don't break the rules... if he can't get quota, no donuts....

Brilliant. Such a deceptively simple plan :whistle:

Seriously. Fast riding is taking place at the track or well away from suburbia for a reason the 'Ginga Ninja' being one of those reasons.

Now we know he is a c00nt, we also know ATNR is targeted. If we do not want to get a ticket:

Obey the law.
Do not be baited [IE pull over rather than speed up].
If you have followed these simple rules and still get pulled over:

Be polite, keep in control no matter what the provocation.
Stick to the facts.
Get proactive and fill one of these (http://www.pca.govt.nz/tools/email.aspx?SECT=Site) out.
If 'Ginga Ninja' gives you a ticket for some trumpted up BS fight the charge. Do not assume [as many do] you have no chance of winning or need the services of a lawyer to do so, merely engaging the police and justice system will see them drop the ball. Most importantly when fighting BS be tenacious, adopt the moral high ground and when communicating with police/justice system make sure your paper trail is superlative.

scracha

4th June 2008, 08:25

It wasnt dangerous. I would never ever put a pillion in a situation that was dangerous.

Really? Learn' your lesson yet again I s'pose?
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1199079#post1199079

R6_kid

4th June 2008, 12:29

I'm gonna crump the cop if he gives me any ticket... if you want to know what 'crumping' is then look on youtube.

Morcs

4th June 2008, 13:12

I'm gonna crump the cop if he gives me any ticket... if you want to know what 'crumping' is then look on youtube.

So I take it you aint coming on the ride?

peasea

4th June 2008, 13:51

Brilliant. Such a deceptively simple plan :whistle:

Seriously. Fast riding is taking place at the track or well away from suburbia for a reason the 'Ginga Ninja' being one of those reasons.

Now we know he is a c00nt, we also know ATNR is targeted. If we do not want to get a ticket:

Obey the law.
Do not be baited [IE pull over rather than speed up].
If you have followed these simple rules and still get pulled over:

Be polite, keep in control no matter what the provocation.
Stick to the facts.
Get proactive and fill one of these (http://www.pca.govt.nz/tools/email.aspx?SECT=Site) out.
If 'Ginga Ninja' gives you a ticket for some trumpted up BS fight the charge. Do not assume [as many do] you have no chance of winning or need the services of a lawyer to do so, merely engaging the police and justice system will see them drop the ball. Most importantly when fighting BS be tenacious, adopt the moral high ground and when communicating with police/justice system make sure your paper trail is superlative.

"Fill one ot these out" oh that's good, that's soooo good, hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhafuc kinha.
OMG, I just fell off my chair, AGAIN!

peasea

4th June 2008, 13:54

I'm gonna crump the cop if he gives me any ticket... if you want to know what 'crumping' is then look on youtube.

Carry a boombox on ya bike do ya?
Anyway, crump the living snot out of him.

Disco Dan

4th June 2008, 14:28

Well I will be on the ride...

Guess what ginga, I have the wrong license, will be speeding with a pillion, and overtaking on double yellows as well as no WOF or REG....

bring it ! ! ! :devil2:

Blackbuell

4th June 2008, 15:04

This is what the Ginga Looks Like http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=664255&postcount=184

Squid69

4th June 2008, 15:24

This is what the Ginga Looks Like http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=664255&postcount=184

thats not the ginger that pulled me and my mate over and tried to fine him for everything. Glad we were legit that day!
Thats (name removed by moderator). He races a GSX1100 in post classics. he also likes to piss on bikers though, unlike the real ginger coont he is not a complete asshole about it, he ususally just sits at the end of peak road by the church and gets you for speeding on that straight(oh and by the way, my friend toasted him at taupo last week)

The real ginger has less facial hair and its ACTUALLY GINGER.

spudchucka

4th June 2008, 15:26

I'm gonna crump the cop if he gives me any ticket... if you want to know what 'crumping' is then look on youtube.

Shit man thanks for that, I always thought those guys were having some sort of a fit.

The Stranger

4th June 2008, 16:15

This is what the Ginga Looks Like http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=664255&postcount=184

God, that looks nasty!
What happened to him?

Patrick

4th June 2008, 17:37

So hang on, there is a quota then officer? NZ police have continuously denied this.

Its easier to spell and say than "performance indicator..."

Mom

4th June 2008, 17:41

Its easier to spell and say than "performance indicator..."

Or even KPI (key performance indicator), which is something that most will recognise on here. Wonder if salary increases/bonus payments are linked to KPI for the pleece in the same way it is in the "real world"?

Cr1MiNaL

4th June 2008, 21:01

hahaha I'll buy 1 !

Chrislost

4th June 2008, 21:10

Bloody Hell. We now appear to have *THREE* gingas! ACD868 , HJH344 , and E990 (which doesn't look right for a badge number) . Shit, it's a pandemic.

Which one is THE ginga? Or are they all as bad as each other?

Make that 4:doh:
CWG610 also had a ginger american histroy x facial hair and did me for the book up in dairy flat.
perhaps they were bullied at school???

Max Preload

4th June 2008, 21:20

Make that 4:doh:
CWG610 also had a ginger american histroy x facial hair and did me for the book up in dairy flat.
perhaps they were bullied at school???

Hmmm... maybe I need to add this vocation to my signature... :lol: :clap:

Chrislost

4th June 2008, 21:54

Brilliant. Such a deceptively simple plan :whistle:

Seriously. Fast riding is taking place at the track or well away from suburbia for a reason the 'Ginga Ninja' being one of those reasons.

Now we know he is a c00nt, we also know ATNR is targeted. If we do not want to get a ticket:

Obey the law.
Do not be baited [IE pull over rather than speed up].
If you have followed these simple rules and still get pulled over:

Be polite, keep in control no matter what the provocation.
Stick to the facts.
Get proactive and fill one of these (http://www.pca.govt.nz/tools/email.aspx?SECT=Site) out.
If 'Ginga Ninja' gives you a ticket for some trumpted up BS fight the charge. Do not assume [as many do] you have no chance of winning or need the services of a lawyer to do so, merely engaging the police and justice system will see them drop the ball. Most importantly when fighting BS be tenacious, adopt the moral high ground and when communicating with police/justice system make sure your paper trail is superlative.

Mint!
i see them ignoring it though cos of all the BS that people are about to send there.

Skyryder

5th June 2008, 00:13

As soon as I get my bike I will ride up and down 16 (legally) untill I see him, pull over and take a nice pic..its public area I can do what I want. We can all get t-shirts made up with a caption comp.

Now that is a great idea.

Skyryder

Patch

5th June 2008, 05:16

fuck the pigs - they're taught to be a cunt in college

Apparently its ok to issue a ticket (over the telephone) because they think you're lying and discriminate against you because you have a checkered history - never mind the facts.

they should wear pink - be more fitting for their superior homo status than us mere plebs.

fuck the bastards with a broom handle and shove a tennis ball in their gob

ManDownUnder

5th June 2008, 05:46

fuck the pigs - they're taught to be a cunt in college

Sweary words blah blah blah blah... Police Officers blah blah blah... build a bridge man...

I've been pulled over 3 or 4 times snice owning the bike, and each time asked to amend my ways and been sent on without a ticket. The one time I got a financial deduction was in a car and *gasp* I was in the wrong.

There might be one or two bad eggs... but it's a bloody big basket full and by far the majority most are good people.

TimeOut

5th June 2008, 06:38

There might be one or two bad eggs... but it's a bloody big basket full and by far the majority most are good people.

Would have to agree with you, sucks that something can't be done about the minority though.

Patch

5th June 2008, 07:17

Good cops are the minority - the rest are just know all fuckwits

westie

5th June 2008, 07:18

Patch

5th June 2008, 07:24

Thats a pretty angry post.

Gotta do something constructive about it or nothing will change.

lets hope at least one of the morons can read then eh??

You'll probably find its easier to perfect pissin' in the wind. They don't care, they are right - we are not.

End of story.

Blackbuell

5th June 2008, 08:28

That is NOT Andy, that picture is of .

was the Asshole that pinged me about 2k,s from the lookout on 16 there were a hugh group of us he tried to get us at peak road & failed so he headed up further & got me,then he picked on a few more of the group after the lookout,

So Speedie is Andy a bigger Asshole than ??????

SPman

5th June 2008, 14:43

Good cops are the minority - the rest are just know all fuckwits

A bit like KBers..........:whistle:

WelshWizard

5th June 2008, 16:36

There might be one or two bad eggs... but it's a bloody big basket full and by far the majority most are good people.

To quote another phrase

Put one bad apple in a basket of good ones and you end up with a basket of bad ones,

You say there are good ones out there, well if that's the case they should nail the bad ones, if they don't then they are out of the same mold.

You guys that do the TNR should all arrange your ride by PM instead of advertising it in an open forum, get your selves a whole lot of video cams, and mount them on your bikes, then when the person concerned is at it, you will have video evidence, send a copy to the Beehive a copy to the TV station and any other party that will stir up. Make a complaint, you have evidence not lies. You may even find he backs off if he knows he is being hunted down.

Seems one of the Rodney Cops is known in Holland, a certain yank had dealings with him.

Cr1MiNaL

5th June 2008, 18:33

There are plenty of good cops out there, every time I meet one I thank him for not being an arsehole ! And guess what they just toot off n most drag me off the lights... they're all humans in the end , with girlfriends and wives too, some of the cunts even have kids!:no:

skidMark

5th June 2008, 18:52

they're all humans in the end , with girlfriends and wives too, some of the cunts even have kids!:no:

Won't somebody please think of the children!

THE CHILDREN!!!!

breakaway

5th June 2008, 19:08

It's all fun and games until someone gets done for dangerous driving

peasea

5th June 2008, 19:45

lets hope at least one of the morons can read then eh??

You'll probably find its easier to perfect pissin' in the wind. They don't care, they are right - we are not.

End of story.

Couldn't agree more, megalomaniacs in blue. No matter what you say you'll lose when it comes to taking a cop to task on anything. Sure, you'll get all the rhetoric you can handle from cops on kb but ultimately they are holier than thou and don't you forget it.

The PCA will back them all the way too, that's their job; whitewashing.

RC1

5th June 2008, 20:00

:jerry: waiting for the TNR crew to complian about him tonight :jerry:

SixPackBack

5th June 2008, 20:02

Couldn't agree more, megalomaniacs in blue. No matter what you say you'll lose when it comes to taking a cop to task on anything. Sure, you'll get all the rhetoric you can handle from cops on kb but ultimately they are holier than thou and don't you forget it.

The PCA will back them all the way too, that's their job; whitewashing.

Sounds like you have some info./stories to tell peasea.....lets hear 'em bud!:eek5:

westie

5th June 2008, 21:30

:jerry: waiting for the TNR crew to complian about him tonight :jerry:

Funnily enough the gingaa was too busy doing his job tonight to attend. Good for him, good for uncle helen.

T'was a speed limit ride of unsignificance, I think we might need windierer roads so we can use the throttle more.

ManDownUnder

5th June 2008, 22:59

the rest are just know all fuckwits

Ever come across Projection (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection)? It's fascinating reading...

scumdog

6th June 2008, 00:48

The PCA will back them all the way too, that's their job; whitewashing.
Should I ever be confronted by a PCA issue I'll let you know if they do, at the moment I can only take your word.

Not all cops do shit that ends up with the PCA, some apparently do their job without antagonising everybody they meet.....

Patch

6th June 2008, 06:17

Ever come across Projection (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection)? It's fascinating reading...
Thanks, but whats ya point . . . why don't you say what you really mean . . .

As SD points out, there are those that do go quietly about . . . shame I don't live down south

Back to the topic of this thread - Mr. Ginga has quite a rep. I got asked couple of weeks ago if I was he, seems he is talked about alot and not just on here.

spudchucka

6th June 2008, 06:33

Sure, you'll get all the rhetoric you can handle from cops on kb but ultimately they are holier than thou and don't you forget it.

Try listening to your own rhetoric and you'll come up with the same conclusion, holier than thou!

peasea

6th June 2008, 06:44

Try listening to your own rhetoric and you'll come up with the same conclusion, holier than thou!

"Mirror mirror on the wall."

S'funny how whenever anyone criticizes a member of the police force they react like cornered tigers.:zzzz:

Disco Dan

6th June 2008, 07:04

Here... takes these keys and go for a ride!!!

This is Giiiinnnngaaaaaaa!!!!

<img src="http://www.oliverling.com/images/Untitled-2.gif"

westie

6th June 2008, 07:24

Well I kinda got a soft(or hard) spot for ginga girls...........:love:

Owl

6th June 2008, 07:30

Well I kinda got a soft(or hard) spot for ginga girls...........:love:

Mmmmmmmm, me too!:wari:

Disco Dan

6th June 2008, 08:45

Well I kinda got a soft(or hard) spot for ginga girls...........:love:

As long as the rug matches the curtains... :buggerd:

Fatjim

6th June 2008, 09:09

Jantar

6th June 2008, 11:52

...Secondly, when someone tailgates you, SLOW DOWN. Adjust your speed to his following distance. Remember the road code? It says 4m for every 10kph. If he's 4 metres behind you, slow down to 10kph. Simple. ....

Yes indeed. I've used this method quite a few times myself, and it works well. I've also had someone do this to me once when I inadvertantly started following too close. Its a good and safe reminder to the following vehicle.

peasea

6th June 2008, 14:11

[QUOTE=Patch;1594891]

. . . shame I don't live down south

QUOTE]

You can change that.

peasea

6th June 2008, 14:23

Anyway......BOT.
Everyone likes a ginga in a uniform, especially the stroppy type.

Go here............

http://www.funny-videos.co.uk/videoyetanotherfunnypostmanpatvideo.html

WelshWizard

6th June 2008, 15:22

First of all, if he tail gates you report him as you would anyone else at the cop shop. If you have a witness to corroborate then insist on a charge being laid. Why is this so hard?

Secondly, when someone tailgates you, SLOW DOWN. Adjust your speed to his following distance. Remember the road code? It says 4m for every 10kph. If he's 4 metres behind you, slow down to 10kph. Simple.

I did this only yesterday. Some prick up my arse at 100kph. Slowed down to 70 and he'd had enough. Plus I knew there was a cop further up the road as I'd just come from the other direction so I dobbed him in. Git got a ticket for a dangerous lane change in front of the cop when he got pulled over. See, there is justice in this world.

Yes, I agree report them, if he is a cop and he keeps getting reported they can't keep burying it, after all there is a paper trail, and if he is doing what is claimed he will end up killing some one, so take evasive action by slowing down , if you use the law on him what argument can he put forward, as most of you ride in groups there should be enough of you to force a change being placed against him if this is what he is doing,

Must admit when I am in a Car, Van or Lorry and I get tailgated, I tend to use my handbrake to slow down, you so find out if the tailgater is awake or doing it deliberately, And if you get them at night sitting behind you with their main beam on just adjust tour mirrors so they shine right back at them, with a little bit of practice you can get the position off pat every time you need to move them, after all why be blinded by them.

There are plenty of good cops out there, every time I meet one I thank him for not being an arsehole ! And guess what they just toot off n most drag me off the lights... they're all humans in the end , with girlfriends and wives too, some of the cunts even have kids!:no:

If they are good cops they would do something about the claimed dangerous action discribed, or at least have words over the matter, instead of just letting lie.

peasea

6th June 2008, 17:35

Should I ever be confronted by a PCA issue I'll let you know if they do, at the moment I can only take your word.

Not all cops do shit that ends up with the PCA, some apparently do their job without antagonising everybody they meet.....

I don't doubt it and if ever I experience it I'll be sure to write a lengthy dissitation extolling the virtues of said law enforcer and mail it to his/her boss, the media and a minister or two.

How was Blenheim?

westie

6th June 2008, 18:43

spudchucka

6th June 2008, 21:49

"Mirror mirror on the wall."

S'funny how whenever anyone criticizes a member of the police force they react like cornered tigers.:zzzz:

Anyone? No, just when its boorish over opinionated self appointed experts like you.

peasea

6th June 2008, 22:18

Anyone? No, just when its boorish over opinionated self appointed experts like you.

Have you got ginger hair?

scumdog

6th June 2008, 22:41

How was Blenheim?

Great, more rods than they thought considering the Nats, weather pretty good and 'only' $530 or so for fuel.

Lotsa Brass Monkey riders going in both directions, met a couple of KBers while C.B. took a comfort stop near Kaikoura - and funnily enough the only bad driving was by drivers of more expensive cars... ferkin' ignorant twats.

A few cops seen but I don't think I scared 'em too much.

Where woz you?

spudchucka

7th June 2008, 06:22

Have you got ginger hair?

Only my pubes!

By the way I think its rich you telling me to grow up and at the same time you start throwing around the red rep like some spoiled little bitch school girl.

Patch

7th June 2008, 06:50

Only my pubes!

By the way I think its rich you telling me to grow up and at the same time you start throwing around the red rep like some spoiled little bitch school girl.
:laugh:

We Ginger Nuts are gonna take over the world - Total Denomination.

Hard an Spicy - careful the odd one will break ya teeth :devil2:

peasea

7th June 2008, 07:18

Only my pubes!

By the way I think its rich you telling me to grow up and at the same time you start throwing around the red rep like some spoiled little bitch school girl.

I love it when you talk like that.
Meeow.

Teflon

7th June 2008, 07:53

fuck the pigs - they're taught to be a cunt in college

Really? i think theyre a little soft

i can remember a incident in Vietnam where a dude got caught steeling, the Police cuffed him to a guardhouse oil heater and beat the living fuck out of him...

New Zealand is to soft

peasea

7th June 2008, 08:07

Great, more rods than they thought considering the Nats, weather pretty good and 'only' $530 or so for fuel.

Lotsa Brass Monkey riders going in both directions, met a couple of KBers while C.B. took a comfort stop near Kaikoura - and funnily enough the only bad driving was by drivers of more expensive cars... ferkin' ignorant twats.

A few cops seen but I don't think I scared 'em too much.

Where woz you?

We was busy-as, have PM'd you.

Jantar

7th June 2008, 10:23

Posts on the Allan Duff court case have been moved to the Allan Duff thread.

WelshWizard

7th June 2008, 14:32

Really? i think theyre a little soft

i can remember a incident in Vietnam where a dude got caught steeling, the Police cuffed him to a guardhouse oil heater and beat the living fuck out of him...

New Zealand is to soft

Was not that the place that C4'ed a few weeks later?

Ixion

7th June 2008, 14:40

First of all, if he tail gates you report him as you would anyone else at the cop shop. If you have a witness to corroborate then insist on a charge being laid. Why is this so hard?

..

..
The gin gaaa threatened me
" you will not complain about me, I will arrest you for wasting police time" Quote un quote.
..

That's why.

El Dopa

7th June 2008, 16:11

Total Denomination.

Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu, Islamic, or other?

peasea

7th June 2008, 17:30

Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu, Islamic, or other?

Maybe that's supposed to be 'domination', in which case I have some leatherwear that might come in handy. (Cum in handy? Oh that's so lame.)

Disco Dan

8th June 2008, 22:58

Why dont u invite the ginger down the pub and tell him to his face? instead of bashing him on here?

mstriumph

8th June 2008, 23:47

i don't like, trust or respect the police [kb members totally excepted - you guys are great]
i don't care what colour their hair or eyes are
a bully is a bully
a person who abuses his/her position for personal gain of whatever sort [money or self-gratification] is a bully

i have a bad reaction to bullies
they'll just have to deal with that
or not

i would rather be beaten to a bloody pulp or imprisoned thanbow my neck to a bully

mebbe that makes me odd - or insane .............. hey - i'm a celt - i'm ALLOWED to be ...... different

send the ginga cop over here - i'll deal with him :shifty:

swbarnett

9th June 2008, 03:25

If they are good cops they would do something about the claimed dangerous action discribed, or at least have words over the matter, instead of just letting lie.
They can only do something about them if they have evidence of wrong doing. Because they work mostly solitary or in pairs this may be hard to come by. They may not even know what's going on.

swbarnett

9th June 2008, 03:27

I hate to say it but I got a ticket on College Hill last month. The radar locked me at 63kph. The cop reduced it to 60kph because "bikers need a break and I don't want you starting on too many demerits when the new law comes in" (or words to that affect). He didn't want to give me a ticket at all. He was only there because some of the residents had been complaining about lots of cars speeding past their front door.

And this is only one example. I've been stopped a number of times over the years and I can't remember one cop I could've described as rude.

davereid

9th June 2008, 08:08

I've been stopped a number of times over the years and I can't remember one cop I could've described as rude.

Yeah, I have met some right arsehole cops. Possibly may have something to do with my attitude. But, as much as it pains me to say it, I have met a lot more who have been bloody reasonable.

err "cough".. managed to spit that out somehow...

MSTRS

9th June 2008, 08:53

.... But, as much as it pains me to say it, I have met a lot ...

I haven't. Perhaps you should learn to behave :Pokey::lol:

ManDownUnder

9th June 2008, 09:35

You say there are good ones out there, well if that's the case they should nail the bad ones

I assure you from an incident I was personally involved with... they did... new guy thought he was God's gift, rules were there to be enforced unless they applied to him etc etc etc...

I'm not sure if the door hit him in the butt on the way out or not... not my problem.

if they don't then they are out of the same mold.

Agreed.

westie

18th June 2008, 07:02

Well I have heard about the gingaa whinging about this thread. He has been reading it, and must be taking all our comments on board..:lol:

Qkchk

18th June 2008, 07:41

Well I have heard about the gingaa whinging about this thread. He has been reading it, and must be taking all our comments on board..:lol:Cant be bothered reading through 14 pages....

It is a known fact that said 'Ginga' also rides a bucket at the local club. Perhaps if someone had some issues they could 'approach' him where his notebook couldnt protect him?

SixPackBack

18th June 2008, 08:31

Cant be bothered reading through 14 pages....

It is a known fact that said 'Ginga' also rides a bucket at the local club. Perhaps if someone had some issues they could 'approach' him where his notebook couldnt protect him?

That is (name removed), we have established he IS NOT the main ginga....[more like mini-ginga]:mellow:

Blackbuell

18th June 2008, 11:20

That is , we have established he IS NOT the main ginga....[more like mini-ginga]:mellow:

as far as i,m concerned is still a cop that has a crap attitude towards bikers,

westie

18th June 2008, 16:58

It is ture that the ginge I refer to is (bad cop) sounds not too good either. Heard that there is a guy up in rodney somewhere who sucks arse as well. Some fella Sits behind the bushes on woodcocks rd near a vineyard and pings people.
I prefer the bushes outside a girls college but each to their own:drool:

SixPackBack

18th June 2008, 17:08

as far as i,m concerned is still a cop that has a crap attitude towards bikers,

Agreed. Made all the worse by the fact he also races bikes [that includes road racing].

The Stranger

18th June 2008, 17:12

Some fella Sits behind the bushes on woodcocks rd near a vineyard and pings people.

Yeah, noticed cop there, behind a hedge row at the Warkworth end a few times. Always take it easy at that end. FA corners, so no need to go fast there anyway.

Mom

18th June 2008, 17:19

Yeah, noticed cop there, behind a hedge row at the Warkworth end a few times. Always take it easy at that end. FA corners, so no need to go fast there anyway.

I believe he took the license off a friend along there, made him push the bike to his girlfriends place, she lives down a long dirt driveway, you cant see the house from the road. This cop told him that he had to push the bike right to the house, he was going to sit there and watch. Nice bloke :oi-grr:

Ixion

18th June 2008, 17:25

So, wot y'all gonna DO about it? If anything.

So far, not really much to grumble about.

He's got a shit attitude.Well, if you were both a ginga AND a coppa, you'd probably realise that everyone is always going to ahte you and figure that you wanted revenge on life as well. Shit attitude is hard to complain about.

He's pinged people for excessive speed (apparently focuses on 140+). Well, his bosses would say that's exactly what he's paid to do. And if he concentrates on the high end 140+, and lets the minor speeders go, isn't that what we always say we want.Hard to complain to the authorities that a cop is enforcing the law and ticketing serious breaches of the rules

And, what we MIGHT be able to make a case over there are also anecdotal tales of him driving dangerously , to the point of harrassment: and of him making a practice of inventing fictitious charges then allowing them to drop by not turning up at court (by which time of course the victim has spent much time and money on defence)

To complain about these might be possible. It wuld require someone to sign a formal complaint about the bad driving. And we could ask the PCA to examine what percentage of his tickets to bikes get dropped (either thrown out or abandoned), versus the percentage of his tickets to cars . And compare those percentages with the average for cops.

That would show if he makes a habit of issuing unjustifiable tickets to bikes. If half his tickets to bikes are thrown out or abandoned, and only 5% of his tickets to cars, that would be a good pointer to him treating bikes unfairly

But that all requires some specifics. Name, time, place etc.

So, wodda y'all gonna do ? If anything.

Qkchk

18th June 2008, 17:32

He's got a shit attitude.Well, if you were both a ginga AND a coppa, you'd probably realise that everyone is always going to ahte you and figure that you wanted revenge on life as well. Shit attitude is hard to complain about.

Maybe he had a broomstick shoved up his arse in school?

Qkchk

18th June 2008, 17:36

So, wodda y'all gonna do ? If anything.

Catch him in the act. If someone wants to set up a camera on their bike.....

I personally have not had any relations with said copper. I wouldnt be able to pick him out of a crowd either. I guess the ATNR will always be a hot topic when it comes to police activity.......

Everyone is told about our little friend at the start of the ride. I guess if you want to speed, that is the chance you take. :dodge:

The Stranger

18th June 2008, 17:40

Maybe he had a broomstick shoved up his arse in school?

I think Qkchk knows more than she is letting on.

Come on Dawn, tell us why you did it to him mate.

Qkchk

18th June 2008, 17:43

I think Qkchk knows more than she is letting on.

Come on Dawn, tell us why you did it to him mate.
"I did not have sexual relations with that man, the Ginga"

westie

18th June 2008, 21:20

Maybe he had a broomstick shoved up his arse in school?

Deep heat for gingaas bung hole

ManDownUnder

19th June 2008, 11:30

Come on Dawn, tell us why you did it to him mate.

He was on point and left before TEC got there.

ManDownUnder

19th June 2008, 11:32

Everyone is told about our little friend at the start of the ride. I guess if you want to speed, that is the chance you take. :dodge:

Invite your mates from the SCU - do they come past any more? Imagine getting one of them on the back of a bike when it happens...

Qkchk

19th June 2008, 15:04

Invite your mates from the SCU - do they come past any more? Imagine getting one of them on the back of a bike when it happens...

Yeah we havent seen Constable Cop for a while. Its a shame we dont have more cops like him out there.... instead we have guys who are pushed to keep quota and obviously have either personal issues or are just bad apples.

Qkchk

19th June 2008, 15:05

He was on point and left before TEC got there.

Yeah, dont piss me off.

Swoop

19th June 2008, 15:15

Maybe he had a broomstick shoved up his arse in school?
So, he's a University graduate???:eek:

westie

19th June 2008, 18:27

Catch him in the act. If someone wants to set up a camera on their bike.....

I personally have not had any relations with said copper. I wouldnt be able to pick him out of a crowd either. I guess the ATNR will always be a hot topic when it comes to police activity.......

Everyone is told about our little friend at the start of the ride. I guess if you want to speed, that is the chance you take. :dodge:

Wait a minute he said he knew you guys and that he knew you were away at some pacific island even said the island but I couldn't remember what he said just that I thought he was a dick

Max Preload

19th June 2008, 18:38

I personally have not had any relations with said copper...

I should hope not... you could end up with ginga kids! Can they test for that like they can other debilitating conditions?

Cajun

19th June 2008, 21:31

Qkchk

19th June 2008, 22:18

MOD Note.

We have decided to removed all full names of cops.
We do not want cops being named, publicly,

happy to continue with there 'more known site names' gingaa copper etc, happy for badge number inplace of name (if you have it)

If it was the guy who had the notebook in his hand tonight (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1615024#post1615024), then some of the guy will definately have his badge number.......

westie

1st July 2008, 16:22

I am confused.:confused:

I got a ticket from officer acd868:Police:. But there doesn't seem to be a concensus on who he is. I am starting to think he used someone elses number.

Is there any way of identifying the officer. eg can I go to the police station and ask for a line up?
But seriously any one know a way?

Toaster

1st July 2008, 16:33

Toaster

1st July 2008, 16:50

The gin gaaa threatened me
" you will not complain about me, I will arrest you for wasting police time" Quote un quote.

He actually said that to you???!!! :corn: (did you wind him up first at all?)

As an ex-cop I am very concerned........ look mate if some cops are out there doing clearly unethical things/making threats/breaching professional standards etc you need to make a complaint - but there are multiple ways you can do this - some more effective than others.

Tank

1st July 2008, 17:05

I know of three in the district. And yes they all read and monitor KB and act on it.

If that's true - then they must piss themselves reading some of the threads on here.

westie

1st July 2008, 18:46

He actually said that to you???!!! :corn: (did you wind him up first at all?)

As an ex-cop I am very concerned........ look mate if some cops are out there doing clearly unethical things/making threats/breaching professional standards etc you need to make a complaint - but there are multiple ways you can do this - some more effective than others.

Yes I recorded him saying it on my fone. I had told him how he almost ran me off the road in a heated fashion before hand but when he said this(he'd arrest me) it was a few minutes later.

Yep

scumdog

1st July 2008, 18:50

If that's true - then they must piss themselves reading some of the threads on here.

I know I do.....:whistle:

peasea

1st July 2008, 22:51

I know I do.....:whistle:

Go here:

http://www.pharmacydirect.co.nz/default.aspx?t=4500&g=1192

Toaster

2nd July 2008, 16:57

If that's true - then they must piss themselves reading some of the threads on here.

It's like waving a red flag at a bull... or a paddock of them in this case!

The best thing people can do is avoid critising these guys - it will only annoy them more, fuelling more operations targeting bikers which will only make life harder for those on the ATNR and other social rides around the district.

We end up being the losers.... especially with fines now being given for minor issues that may have previously only attracted a friendly warning - many of us can no longer afford huge fines or demerits with the cost of living spiralling upwards as it is!

MSTRS

2nd July 2008, 17:28

Unless there is an official directive to concentrate on one particular group, then there is no place for personal opinions from any officer of the law.

scumdog

2nd July 2008, 17:48

The best thing people can do is avoid critising these guys - it will only annoy them more, fuelling more operations targeting bikers which will only make life harder for those on the ATNR and other social rides around the district.

But..but..I thought thats what ATNR rides were all about???:innocent:

scumdog

2nd July 2008, 17:50

Go here:

http://www.pharmacydirect.co.nz/default.aspx?t=4500&g=1192

Yep, some of the thread would have me needing a whole pallet of their product....:yes:

spudchucka

3rd July 2008, 05:58

Unless there is an official directive to concentrate on one particular group, then there is no place for personal opinions from any officer of the law.

You'd prefer a robotic cop who only functions 100% as per law and police policy? What about the cop who might be of the opinion that motorcyclists aren't a significant risk group and turns a blind eye to their minor indiscretions, is that guy allowed an opinion?

Where do you think discretion comes from if not the cops personal opinion, taking into account the seriousness of the breach as well as the time place & circumstances? Is a cop still allowed to use their brain or in these instances should they simply consult with the manual of official directives before deciding whether action needs to be taken?

boomer

3rd July 2008, 08:14

You'd prefer a robotic cop who only functions 100% as per law and police policy? What about the cop who might be of the opinion that motorcyclists aren't a significant risk group and turns a blind eye to their minor indiscretions, is that guy allowed an opinion?

Where do you think discretion comes from if not the cops personal opinion' taking into account the seriousness of the breach as well as the time place & circumstances? Is a cop still allowed to use their brain or in these instances should they simply consult with the manual of official directives before deciding whether action needs to be taken?

it's well known the traffic police don't have brains, how else would they end up sitting behind a wheel all day, getting paid pittance, writing tickets for petty petty offenses; brainwashed into believing the propaganda on tv and what there station commander tells them.

You just have to watch the police shows on TV to know they're 'not very smart'

:lol:

Patch

3rd July 2008, 08:30

You just have to watch the police shows on TV to know they're 'not very smart'

:lol:

or much older than 21.

An idiot will always be an idiot - but an idiot with a badge :shit:

Just for the record, it sounds like some of 'em norffern coppers are right 'ere coonts, but so are half the clowns on here - guess it evens it up then eh

MSTRS

3rd July 2008, 09:17

The Stranger

3rd July 2008, 09:36

He actually said that to you???!!! :corn: (did you wind him up first at all?)

Of course westie wound him up.
He was about to get a ticket for high beaming some twat who was tailgating him with his lights on full beam. If that's not antagonistic and deserving of a wind up what the hell is?

marty

3rd July 2008, 09:45

it's well known the traffic police don't have brains, how else would they end up sitting behind a wheel all day, getting paid pittance, writing tickets for petty petty offenses; brainwashed into believing the propaganda on tv and what there station commander tells them.

You just have to watch the police shows on TV to know they're 'not very smart'

:lol:

reality check: some of us actually enjoyed and focussed on road SAFETY issues - more than just writing tickets. D898 (and I know who he is) is an ex-gdb cop - not ex-MOT (who tend to be a lot more 'black and white').

i went on patrol with a mate on highway patrol over in the BOP in the weekend, we let at least a dozen bikes (well) above the speed limit fly right by - they all braked and slowed when they saw us (we had seen them LONG before that though) but we could have had 10 licences easily. and before you say 'oh they all would have run', they were west bound on the toll road - it's easy to get that blocked off down in the time it takes to call the toll booth.

scumdog

3rd July 2008, 09:54

getting paid pittance, writing tickets for petty petty offenses;
You just have to watch the police shows on TV to know they're 'not very smart'

:lol:

Geez Boomer, you're so full of shit!:crazy:

They get paid the same as any other cop of the same rank.

And if you think they're not very smart just look at the 'clients' they deal with and THEIR thought process - and then think "And I have to share the roads with all these morons I see getting stopped on 'Motorway Patrol".

(Nice troll BTW!)

spudchucka

3rd July 2008, 10:24

What's this crap about discretion? This ginga targets bikers mercilessly, sometimes putting their lives in danger and writing out tickets that some here say are based on pure lies. That is not the actions of an impartial officer of the law, and you know it.

According to you cops aren't allowed opinions, therefore discretion should never be allowed as it requires an opinion in order to be applied correctly.

I don't really give a stuff about the ginga, if he's endangering others then people should take action to stop it, there are right ways and wrong ways to go about it. But without deliberately trying to offend anyone I can see plenty of reasons on these forums why certain people on certain "social" rides have been targeted for enforcement.

MSTRS

3rd July 2008, 11:03

According to you cops aren't allowed opinions, therefore discretion should never be allowed as it requires an opinion in order to be applied correctly.

I don't really give a stuff about the ginga, if he's endangering others then people should take action to stop it, there are right ways and wrong ways to go about it. But without deliberately trying to offend anyone I can see plenty of reasons on these forums why certain people on certain "social" rides have been targeted for enforcement.

Of course they are. I never said they weren't. Discretion is arguably the most valuable 'tool' in the cop's bag of tricks. But when their opinion spills over into merciless and dodgy targetting of a particular road user group, then it's time that cop was brought to heel.
I am never on that road to have witnessed firsthand any of the claims, but some of the people making them I'd trust to tell the truth implicitly.
And I've said it plenty of times in this thread that there are channels for this sort of problem and the victimised should use them (perhaps they have) but that they should stop talking about what they will do on here, since any talk on here is simply winding this ginga git up to new heights of stupidity.

vifferman

3rd July 2008, 11:03

I can see plenty of reasons on these forums why certain people on certain "social" rides have been targeted for enforcement.
Surely you jest, Sir!
As if! <_<

spudchucka

3rd July 2008, 12:28

Of course they are. I never said they weren't.

No, you just said that the cops opinion needed to come via some "official directive".

Unless there is an official directive to concentrate on one particular group, then there is no place for personal opinions from any officer of the law.

But hey, that's just my opinion!

Ixion

3rd July 2008, 13:02

Unless there is an official directive to concentrate on one particular group, then there is no place for personal opinions from any officer of the law.

That's a bit simplistic though

If Copper X is focusing on a specific group (say, old ladies on zimmer frames) because he has had complaints about their behaviour(dead dodgy lot those grandmas); or because he has observed, or has reason to believe, that their behaviour will break a lot of laws, then I see that as valid. A cops job is to maintain the peace. If some particular group is disruptive of the Rule of Law it's quite valid for him to concentrate on them. The ATNR may or may not fall into this category, depending on how many nanas attend it.

But if Copper X is targeting motorcyclists because he has a personal grudge against grandmas , and thinks that "all old ladies are scum, and zimmer frames should be forced off the road", then that is another matter and in my opinion , improper.

The realtive context can be more easily seen if one mentally substitutes, say, Maoris for motorcyclists.

"Police are focusing on a group of Maoris, because that same group has been the cause of previous complaints". Seems fine to me

"Police are focusing on a group of Maoris because we hate Maoris and want to make their lives miserable". Not so good.

mstriumph

3rd July 2008, 13:05

........because he has a personal grudge against grandmas , and thinks that "all old ladies are scum, and zimmer frames should be forced off the road", then that is another matter and in my opinion , improper................

soooooooooooo - an inproper copper you think?? :doh:

jrandom

3rd July 2008, 13:06

we hate Maoris and want to make their lives miserable

Who doesn't?

:D

TLMAN

3rd July 2008, 13:12

Who doesn't?

:D

:corn::corn::corn::corn:

vifferman

3rd July 2008, 13:15

I can see then that residents of properties bordering the roads that are common routes for the ATNR would be quite likely to go, Grrrrr! it's those bloody bikies again!" :mad: and get on the blower to the polis. Doesn't matter whether there's law-breaking involved (which of course there never is <_<) - a group of twenty or so bikes roaring past would give the impression of malfeisance. Heck, if they were going past my house every Thursday I might consider ringing the cops too. And because the polis don't have any other crimes to investigate, of course they'd be interested in an excuse to chase a few bikes, bust a few hoons, boost their ticket quotas...

MSTRS

3rd July 2008, 14:57

That's a bit simplistic though
Of course. This is KB and I'm not exempt from the 'effect'...

If Copper X is focusing on a specific group (say, old ladies on zimmer frames) because he has had complaints about their behaviour(dead dodgy lot those grandmas); or because he has observed, or has reason to believe, that their behaviour will break a lot of laws, then I see that as valid. A cops job is to maintain the peace. If some particular group is disruptive of the Rule of Law it's quite valid for him to concentrate on them. The ATNR may or may not fall into this category, depending on how many nanas attend it.

I can see then that residents of properties bordering the roads that are common routes for the ATNR would be quite likely to go, Grrrrr! it's those bloody bikies again!" :mad: and get on the blower to the polis. Doesn't matter whether there's law-breaking involved (which of course there never is <_<) - a group of twenty or so bikes roaring past would give the impression of malfeisance. Heck, if they were going past my house every Thursday I might consider ringing the cops too. And because the polis don't have any other crimes to investigate, of course they'd be interested in an excuse to chase a few bikes, bust a few hoons, boost their ticket quotas...
True that, and fair enough if that is the case. But I have to say that it seems this ginga takes it to bikers everywhere, not just solely 16 on Thursday nights. That makes a difference.

Patch

3rd July 2008, 15:23

According to you cops aren't allowed opinions, therefore discretion should never be allowed as it requires an opinion in order to be applied correctly.

Of course they are. I never said they weren't. Discretion is arguably the most valuable 'tool' in the cop's bag of tricks. But when their opinion . . .

No, you just said that the cops opinion needed to come via some "official directive".

But hey, that's just my opinion!

True that, and fair enough if that is the case.
:doh:

:Police: :chase::Police:

:done:

Are you forgetting something?? (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=yMSbJGxuj2o)

Arguing is futile - a = (the obvious one) or b = don't get caught or c = don't stop or d = stop bitching about it

MSTRS

3rd July 2008, 15:38

:doh:

:

Oi you...misquoting a response from me...don't you know I'd never publicly concede a point to Spud? Not until he does to me anyway - hell and freezing spring to mind

Toaster

3rd July 2008, 15:39

... Heck, if they were going past my house every Thursday I might consider ringing the cops too. And because the polis don't have any other crimes to investigate, of course they'd be interested in an excuse to chase a few bikes, bust a few hoons, boost their ticket quotas...

Funny you should say that. I had someone have a rant at me today complaining about bikers racing by at well over 100km/h on old north road/peak road.

HP, STU, TAG, CVIU and SCU are funded to focus on Road Policing only. GDB, CIB, TP etc focus on crime/disorder etc. The only time that will change is when Govt mandate funding differently to what it is now.... I see another $13M is mandated for more road policing too.