Endurance race Dec 29th

[scrivy]

I am just fielding interest in an endurance race on December the 29th at Taupo, the day after the Taupo Road Race Spectacular.

I thought this may suit competitors that have travelled over here, to stay 1 more day, and get to race and/or watch an endurance race.

Chris Lawrance and I are keen to run the event, with lower entry fees as per our meeting, with trophies for top placegetters, and trophies for classes within classes. The track would be the long track, and classes would be what YOU the racers wanted. The length would also be what YOU the racers wanted. I would like to have two separate races on the 1 day, a longer race for over 600's maybe, and a slightly shorter race for F3 etc. (open to your ideas).

Can interested peoples please reply to this thread, and if there are enough genuine entries, then we will proceed with the event. 3 great days of motorsport action - petrolhead heaven!
As I have always stated, I would love to see an endurance race, and if I can make it happen, I will.

Scrivy

[Trudes]

I'd be interested!!!:banana:

[montsta56]

Count me in

[White trash]

I'd be very keen. Your idea of an endurance race is a little different to AMCC though so what are you proposing? 3 hours? 4 hours?

Transponders would be a must, can't expect some poor bugger to sit and count laps for that long.

Any chance of making it a national title? That'd attract some of those oldies you keep harping on about :D

[flame]

Id be up for it:niceone:

And sorry off topic, but do ya think there will be a BEARs class offered again this year at TRRS if we get the numbers up?

[quallman1234]

Im definitely in, great idea!

[Sketchy_Racer]

I'm there with bells on!

[svr]

Super idea Skrivvy - what say 200kms (= 1hr 50ish) for F3, PT, 125s & motards (!) i.e. just one all in `F3' class and 500kms (=3hrs 50ish) for the 600SS class and Open class?
Maybe too long but nice round numbers.
I think the more prestigious the event the longer the races - people will be happy to trash their bikes chasing a big trophy but not so much for a roll of duct-tape.

[Trudes]

That sounds like the weekend at Taupo we're all taking our buckets to, so we'll be there anyway, and was thinking of riding the Hornet through (so no, I wouldn't try and do an endurance thing on the bucket,:crazy: 1 hour was long enough!!), so I think there could be a few bucket type folk with other bikes that could be interested.:wari:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Id be up for it:niceone:

And sorry off topic, but do ya think there will be a BEARs class offered again this year at TRRS if we get the numbers up?

Don't be silly! We all know Ducatis won't last an endurance race!:whistle:

[Billy]

Excellent idea,Probably need to do some maths and calculate the entry fee thingy to give people more of an idea of cost.Mike Perrin and myself organised a similar event at Manfeild back in 94 and it was awesome til someone came along and turned it into a money gobbling monster and destroyed it.I would definitely be there no matter what the cost but some others might not.Good luck

[Rashika]

Transponders would be a must, can't expect some poor bugger to sit and count laps for that long.


thats for frigging real... and please make sure there aint any snow, cos an endurance race in the rain/hail/snow tis NOT a good thing, tho it DOES sort the real racers out from the others... :whistle:

[quallman1234]

Super idea Skrivvy - what say 200kms (= 1hr 50ish) for F3, PT, 125s & motards (!) i.e. just one all in `F3' class and 500kms (=3hrs 50ish) for the 600SS class and Open class?
Maybe too long but nice round numbers.
I think the more prestigious the event the longer the races - people will be happy to trash their bikes chasing a big trophy but not so much for a roll of duct-tape.

Your need a new pistion and crank (if you anal) if your racing 125's!

[Clivoris]

Definitely interested. Was planning on doing your regular meeting anyway.

[driftn]

Super keen :banana:.
Jimmy you help for?:yes:

[flame]

Don't be silly! We all know Ducatis won't last an endurance race!:whistle:

true....but mines female.....and we all know females last longer!:shutup:

[scracha]

All good. I take it the F3/125/motard entry fees would be lower though?

Bait for it.......and do we have to have them fuggin motard thingies in our class :bash:?

Track 2 gets my vote but no doubt the bigger track will suit the faster bikes and it'll perhaps mean more bikes can circulate at any given time?

Umm...come to think of it. Can you hire out the whole track but have it split into it's track 2 and track 3 configurations? That way the F1/f2 and the f3/125/motards could be happening simultaneously and we could all go away happy bunnies. Perhaps Tim gibbs and the marshalls would have a meltdown though.

[sidecar bob]

Ill be able to help by working in at sign in & scrutineering etc.
Bring a mate to help out if you can, these events are run by a very few overworked volunteers & any extra hands are always welcomed.

[Crasherfromwayback]

true....but mines female.....and we all know females last longer!:shutup:

Are you trying to tell me that not everything in life is a race?

[Nicksta]

i'd be keen :) fitness would be an interesting point with club level racers.... and refuelling....
keep us posted :)

[Cleve]

Great idea. As I am back in NZ by then, but without family AND without a race bike, am keen AND able to help out in anyway.

[steveyb]

Moto Academy NZ would likely be starters.

It would be great training for the boys to think about how to approach a longer race and work out tactics and stuff.

My suggestions would be:
Use the two previous days as practice and qualifying. Anyone seriously wanting to ride in the Endurance race meeting will need to be there on one or other of the two previous days.

A 10-12 lap Streetstock race first thing in the morning to get everything underway, then a 30 minute race for Post Classics, then a 45 minute race (ie proper GP length!!) for 125GP and one for F3 (allow 250GP bikes into the F3 race, would make for a really great race). Need to calc the time.

Then a 3 or 4 hr Superbike/Supersport race, two or three rider teams, no single riders as it makes it more interesting that way and teaches people more about teamwork.

Have a full grid set up, presentation, all that sort of thing prior to the start of the main race. Maybe a Le Mans start, but that is not really necessary, but is a bit different and traditional for Endurance races. Main feature MUST be longer than 2 hrs. Rider changes mandatory so that each rider must ride twice unless one gets injured during the race.

At least one rear tyre change mandatory for safety reasons.
Refuelling must be done in a designated area, so teams need to organise this properly, as we don't really have the right set ups for safe refuelling along pitlane. Rider changes can be used as refuelling stops. Maybe best at far end of pitlane so riders and teams can access that area by walking down behind the garages not along pitlane.

Allow the use of safety car to keep race going while picking up downed riders.
Maybe practice the use of this at a slow pace on one of the previous days.

OR

Run it like a proper WSBK/MotoGP weekend.

Free practice Friday, Free and Qualifying practice Saturday with SUPERPOLE!!, Racing Sunday with 2 x 45 minute races for SBK/SS combined (maybe award separate points) and 1 x 45 minute races for 125GP, F3/250GP and Posties. Call it Superbike New Zealand Championship (not to be confused with New Zealand Superbike Championship!)
Have all bikes gridded up prior to each race and all that stuff.

Could be a great opportunity.
Let me know if you want another body onboard with the business.

Cheers

Steve B

[Trudes]

Stuff that, I ain't changing tyres during a race.

Ok, how about I clarify that so it doesn't sound like a bitch.

This is just my opinion, but doesn't a fair amount of racing come down to choices and trying to make the right ones?
OK, so I'm broke, can't really afford a new rear tyre to chuck on my bike during a 2+ hour race, I also do not have a pit crew, so don't really fancy riding for an hour then having to change a tyre.
So I make the choice to ride the race on road tyres, pretty confident they will last 2+ hours on the track, and if I also make the choice to not ride balls out for my hour and the team mate does the same, that tyre will last even longer and we should be able to do a 2 hour race with one fill of gas half way through when we change riders. So I have made my choices, conservative, I'm not out to win anything, just want to have fun, not bin and finish, it's all about preservation with me.
So in the other camp could be someone who makes different choices. They decide to run slicks, good choice, you'll go faster, but they may not last two hours, so they go hell for leather, wear out that tyre and their gas and are pretty close to the front of the pack, good stuff! They come into the pits, have to change a tyre and put gas in the bike, possibly having to do this maybe 3 or 4 times, but because they are going so fast they are still pretty close to the front as most of the others up there are having to do the same. Or are they???:sherlock:
I just think it would make for a more interesting race, and I've always thought endurance races were about pacing yourself, preservation and making good choices, but hey, I could be wrong, but I just want to have fun, and isn't that what it's really about??

[Racey Rider]

I also do not have a pit crew, so don't really fancy riding for an hour then having to change a tyre.



Could organize a 'KB Roving Pitcrew'

Half a dozen knowledgeable types, available to any KB'er for 10 minutes of help.

May work like this:
You 'the racer', has one main pitcrew (PC) person. They don't have to know much about anything, but you tell them your 'Race Plan'. They know that about 1 hour into the race you will want to come in for fuel.

At 1 hour mark your PC signal you to prepare for fuel stop. (Could just use blue icecream container lid as pre arranged signal).
Racer gives thumbs up to acknowledge they have seen signal and are ready to come in.

Then Plan 'KB Pitcrew Help' swings into action.

Que Thunderbirds music:

Your PC goes and stands under the KB flag at mid point along pit bays.
Someone from 'KB Pitcrew Help' comes over to see what is needed. PC organizes helper with racers fuel etc which is then prepared in fueling area.
Your PC then gives racer the 'come in now' signal (Black icecream container lid). Racers comes in, 'KB Pitcrew Help' fuels the bike, gives it a check over, while your PC gives you the 'RA RA Doing Well' speech.

May also work for tyre changes if we had the right people.

Racer gets the help they need.
Racer's PC feels like they really did 'Help the racer' that day without having to get their nails dirty.
'KB Pitcrew Help' gets more involved in the day, has more interest in the outcomes of the specific racers they help out.

Sounds easy on paper (or computer screen as the case may be) .

[sidecar bob]

Stuff that, I ain't changing tyres during a race.

Ok, how about I clarify that so it doesn't sound like a bitch.

This is just my opinion, but doesn't a fair amount of racing come down to choices and trying to make the right ones?
OK, so I'm broke, can't really afford a new rear tyre to chuck on my bike during a 2+ hour race, I also do not have a pit crew, so don't really fancy riding for an hour then having to change a tyre.
So I make the choice to ride the race on road tyres, pretty confident they will last 2+ hours on the track, and if I also make the choice to not ride balls out for my hour and the team mate does the same, that tyre will last even longer and we should be able to do a 2 hour race with one fill of gas half way through when we change riders. So I have made my choices, conservative, I'm not out to win anything, just want to have fun, not bin and finish, it's all about preservation with me.
So in the other camp could be someone who makes different choices. They decide to run slicks, good choice, you'll go faster, but they may not last two hours, so they go hell for leather, wear out that tyre and their gas and are pretty close to the front of the pack, good stuff! They come into the pits, have to change a tyre and put gas in the bike, possibly having to do this maybe 3 or 4 times, but because they are going so fast they are still pretty close to the front as most of the others up there are having to do the same. Or are they???:sherlock:
I just think it would make for a more interesting race, and I've always thought endurance races were about pacing yourself, preservation and making good choices, but hey, I could be wrong, but I just want to have fun, and isn't that what it's really about??

Endurance racing is ALL ABOUT strategey, Tyre choice is the most critical.
I seriously doubt anyone will do 2 hours on one tank, I would think most bikes will need one refill & some will need two
You need to pace youreself to save fuel, the gear & your body, So many people will be hot for the first half an hour & then fade, or end up in the pits with a broken or worn out bike.
When youre riding it, Just treat it as the best day of road riding you ever had, I mean, most of us can hit the Coro loop fairly hard & last a couple of hours without needing a butt buddy to ride our bike home because we get tired.
You end up so pumped & in the zone that you wont feel tired.
As far as refueling goes, I still have access to the refueling rig i used in '89 & can put up instructions & a diagram on how to make one, It would probably cost between $70 & $100 to make a simple one.
Also. i believe the rules state that engines must be switched off & a marshall must observe the refuelling procedure & the bike may not leave unless the marshall is satisfied.

[White trash]

As with almost all motorcycle races in New Zealand now, in the interests of safety you'll need a qualifying cut off time. 115% of the pole time.

This appears harsh to the folks that just want to go for a hoon on their road bike and do laps of Taupo, but Mrs Kendog if you can make a rear tyre last 3-4 hours of that track, you simply are not going to be within that cut off time.

For example, pole position is set with a 1.34. Anyone slower than 1.48 per lap misses that cut off. It also means the slowest riders are going to be lapped by the fastest every 7 laps. I can personally swap the rear wheel in my bike in under one minute and I'd anticipate making a rear tyre last 45-50 laps. By this stage the top riders will be seven laps up on the slowest.

As you can see, tyre preservation is important, but extreme tyre preservation is too detrimental to lap times.

[Trudes]

That sounds like an awesome idea Racey Rider, and seeing as WhiteTrash has pointed out that I would be simply too farkin slow to even be allowed to start the race and have fun, I will put my hand up to be on the KB pitcrew if it was a happening thing!
Sounds like the idea also sidecar bob, I thought this would be an oppourtunity for those who don't/can't ride as fast as 'racers' to be able to participate in some kind of race where speed is not the major factor.
Anyway, out to the pits and on my bucket I guess I will stay.

[ajturbo]

Moto Academy NZ would likely be starters.

It would be great training for the boys to think about how to approach a longer race and work out tactics and stuff.


Allow the use of safety car to keep race going while picking up downed riders.
Maybe practice the use of this at a slow pace on one of the previous days.

Cheers

Steve B

that is a great sujestion...!!!

there would be no need to stop the race...!!

also i am sure there would be heaps of people who would like to help. i for one will be racing on the other two days..if the bike lasts..lol
so will be free to help the boys/girls on the last day...:Punk:

[sidecar bob]

That sounds like an awesome idea Racey Rider, and seeing as WhiteTrash has pointed out that I would be simply too farkin slow to even be allowed to start the race and have fun, I will put my hand up to be on the KB pitcrew if it was a happening thing!
Sounds like the idea also sidecar bob, I thought this would be an oppourtunity for those who don't/can't ride as fast as 'racers' to be able to participate in some kind of race where speed is not the major factor.
Anyway, out to the pits and on my bucket I guess I will stay.

I think an A & B class would be the idea, & believe me, If Scrivy gets the numbers it WILL happen.
Maybe a road bike, no tyre swap class, & a full on class for the heroes, Run in completely seperate races of course.

[Trudes]

I think an A & B class would be the idea, & believe me, If Scrivy gets the numbers it WILL happen.
Maybe a road bike, no tyre swap class, & a full on class for the heroes, Run in completely seperate races of course.

That sounds like the idea!!:rockon: Awesome, yeah a 'road bike and slow bugger class', that'd be me!!

[SKIDA//00]

im keen as wat ever the format...

[White trash]

That sounds like an awesome idea Racey Rider, and seeing as WhiteTrash has pointed out that I would be simply too farkin slow to even be allowed to start the race and have fun, I will put my hand up to be on the KB pitcrew if it was a happening thing!
Sounds like the idea also sidecar bob, I thought this would be an oppourtunity for those who don't/can't ride as fast as 'racers' to be able to participate in some kind of race where speed is not the major factor.
Anyway, out to the pits and on my bucket I guess I will stay.
Makes me sound a bit of a cunt I know, but there is a class where the emphasis is on fun. It's called Clubmans.

I like the sound of an "A" and "B" class more though. It means anybody's going to have a crack at it.

[Trudes]

Makes me sound a bit of a cunt I know, but there is a class where the emphasis is on fun. It's called Clubmans.

I like the sound of an "A" and "B" class more though. It means anybody's going to have a crack at it.

Does eh!:niceone:

[scrivy]

I'd be very keen. Your idea of an endurance race is a little different to AMCC though so what are you proposing? 3 hours? 4 hours?
Transponders would be a must, can't expect some poor bugger to sit and count laps for that long.
Any chance of making it a national title? That'd attract some of those oldies you keep harping on about :D
I'm not going to propose anything at this stage. I want feedback from YOU guys and gals that are going to be racing in it!!
Democracy at its best!!
We have a timing man that can do the job well.
Trashie - I've told you before - us oldies don't do it for trophies!! We do it to kick your young butts!!!! :woohoo:



Excellent idea,Probably need to do some maths and calculate the entry fee thingy to give people more of an idea of cost.Mike Perrin and myself organised a similar event at Manfeild back in 94 and it was awesome til someone came along and turned it into a money gobbling monster and destroyed it.I would definitely be there no matter what the cost but some others might not.Good luck
Billy, as you might know, I charge the lowest fees for a two day meeting now, with trophies, beer, BBQ, spot prizes etc. (I envisage somewhere between $150-$200 per team - I hope :sweatdrop). I calculate in the gate taking subsidizing the racers entry fees. I have made loses in our meeting before, but I don't do it to make money. I do it so my fellow race enthusiasts can have an enjoyable time with fellow racers at an affordable cost.


All good. I take it the F3/125/motard entry fees would be lower though?
Bait for it.......and do we have to have them fuggin motard thingies in our class :bash:?
Track 2 gets my vote but no doubt the bigger track will suit the faster bikes and it'll perhaps mean more bikes can circulate at any given time?

I see it being different race lengths, different prices.
I seriously don't think the majority will want Motards.
Maybe track 1 for the big boys (bike size that is....), and track 2 for the smaller classes?



Ill be able to help by working in at sign in & scrutineering etc.
Bring a mate to help out if you can, these events are run by a very few overworked volunteers & any extra hands are always welcomed.
You're right on the money Bob!! Also, it would look great to have more people there too.


Moto Academy NZ would likely be starters.
It would be great training for the boys to think about how to approach a longer race and work out tactics and stuff.
A 10-12 lap Streetstock race first thing in the morning to get everything underway, then a 30 minute race for Post Classics, then a 45 minute race (ie proper GP length!!) for 125GP and one for F3 (allow 250GP bikes into the F3 race, would make for a really great race). Need to calc the time.
Then a 3 or 4 hr Superbike/Supersport race, two or three rider teams, no single riders as it makes it more interesting that way and teaches people more about teamwork.
Have a full grid set up, presentation, all that sort of thing prior to the start of the main race. Maybe a Le Mans start, but that is not really necessary, but is a bit different and traditional for Endurance races. Main feature MUST be longer than 2 hrs. Rider changes mandatory so that each rider must ride twice unless one gets injured during the race.
At least one rear tyre change mandatory for safety reasons.
Refuelling must be done in a designated area, so teams need to organise this properly, as we don't really have the right set ups for safe refuelling along pitlane. Rider changes can be used as refuelling stops. Maybe best at far end of pitlane so riders and teams can access that area by walking down behind the garages not along pitlane.
Allow the use of safety car to keep race going while picking up downed riders.
Maybe practice the use of this at a slow pace on one of the previous days.

Let me know if you want another body onboard with the business.

Cheers

Steve B
All good ideas Steve. Le Mans sounds interesting.



I think an A & B class would be the idea, & believe me, If Scrivy gets the numbers it WILL happen.
Maybe a road bike, no tyre swap class, & a full on class for the heroes, Run in completely seperate races of course.

Well, with the interest already shown, I'm going ahead with it at this stage. MNZ should have no reason to turn down the permit request.
I hope you interested riders continue to give me ideas on the format. I will collate your ideas, and re post ideas for the masses to comment on. Please PM me your thoughts.
Book the days of Dec 27th - Dec 29th. It will be a great festival of speed!!!:drool:

Scrivy
:first:

[cowpoos]

I'm there with bells on!
big cow bells or lil jingle jingle bells??? hmmm?

[BIHB@0610]

Book the days of Dec 27th - Dec 29th. It will be a great festival of speed!!!:drool:

Scrivy
:first:


Yay! :wari: I have no kids those dates, so will be well keen to help out in any way - on the gate, on the barbie, wherever. Am a whizz at typing, emailing, printing, stapling, databases, you name it I'll give it a go - let me know if you need a hand, Scrivy :yes:

[cowpoos]

im keen as wat ever the format...
u best start working on your fitness then tubby ;)

[dhunt]

Book the days of Dec 27th - Dec 29th. It will be a great festival of speed!!!:drool:

Scrivy
:first:

Sounds awesome scrivy :rockon: What a great way to finish the year on a racing high :done: and also a goal to work towards (fitness etc). :2thumbsup

[Ivan]

Your need a new pistion and crank (if you anal) if your racing 125's!

Its nto about being anil. WHen the cranks over due they let go no warning I doubt you would seriously get 1 hour 50 minutes on a 125 maybe 40 mins for them like moto gp style races. A the bikes arnt designed for those sort of runs they are designed quick burst races and then complete engine strip down and us pleabs that have been honered to ride one usally do a few races before doing a top end minimum.

but 1 hour 50 youd stuff it.

40 minutes would be sweet on them tho.


And also I am keen

[Ivan]

I would say no to allowing 250s into F3 I mean yip share the track ok but not the same class.

as a 250 GP bike is as fast as a 600 itl dominate the F3 field and that aint fair

[Drew]

I'm in like flin if ya go ahead Scriv.

Dunno what kinda length is being floated most, 3 hours would mean that if F2 and F1 were together they'd both have to change a set of tyres, making it more fair than a two hour, since I think the Ducati could do the whole thing without it.

It would perhaps limit entries on cost though. What do others think???

[BIHB@0610]

u best start working on your fitness then tubby ;)


Sounds awesome scrivy :rockon: What a great way to finish the year on a racing high :done: and also a goal to work towards (fitness etc). :2thumbsup


I'm sure Sidecar Bob can advise you two gentlemen with regard to a race fitness programme .......:buggerd:

[kawa10]

count me in for this. possibly talk to some bike shops etc and get some good prizes as well. the longer the race the better. bragging rights.:rockon:

[scrivy]

the longer the race the better. bragging rights.:rockon:

Someone reckons we should call it the 'Scrivys HTFU remedy' :2thumbsup
I was given a name to use also, but White Trash would have complained if I'd used it.......:whistle: so I won't mention it........ :doh:

[t3mp0r4ry nzr]

fukn aye I;d dust off the gimp suit for that aye!

[scracha]

u best start working on your fitness then tubby ;)
Pot kettle black

[steveyb]

To clairfy a little on my suggestions:

Suggestions made with the view of building on the professional nature of the RRSpectacular. If such an event ends up being just another club day with all and sundry catered for, then the opportunity to grow the sport a bit further will be lost.

Classes: My gut feeling is to try to build the bestest roadracing event in NZ at this time (summer) at that track (T1 is great for racing and possible access to huge crowds). Only a few classes can really be catered for on the main race day if a true happening is what people want. If they just want another club day then so be it. But really have a good think about that. There are the two previous days for that.

Streetstock: If the mainlanders can be enticed to come up en-masse then there would be a great spectacle of 40 or more Streetstock bikes for the 'littlies'. Oyster, what say you?? (and their 125ers as well of course)

250GP: while of course I am biased, Ivan, check the lap times. The 250's we have in NZ are now only just competitive with the good 650's/450's and not at all with the good 600's. The new bikes are just too fast against 10-15 yr old 250's. But it makes a great spectacle. And dude, please learn to write a coherent sentence!!

Teams: Mrs Kendog suggests he/she/it (LOL) is broke and can't afford to change the tyre. Well, sorry about that, but endurance racing is RACING for 3-4 hours and that will neccesitate changing at least a rear tyre or you will crash. The idea is that it is a race, not a 3-4 hr trackday. So, the idea then is to find a group of like minded mates and to form a team where you all pitch in with money and expertise. Y'know, in good old number 8 wire NZ we don't have to do it all on our own all the time ay? Maybe many of the riders who race on days 1 and 2 can be team members for day 3????

I spent some time with the Phase 0ne Yamaha team in the UK and these guys are all volunteers but spend 8hrs almost every weekend each during the racing season at the team base making sure everything is right. Just so 2-3 riders can go and crash the bike.... hopefully not.

Scrivy, you suggest that you don't do it to make money. While this is laudable, I suggest that if you shifted your focus a little more towards making a few bucks then you might be able to justify more time and strive to grow the event beyond the great event it already is. It just changes your mindset, is all. As I say, I am keen to join the team if you need extras.

3-day event, might make it worth while for retailers and wholesalers to set up display tents, have entertainments for the crowd and kids, etc etc etc.

So there yiz all are again. Why not take a few minutes to really think about this as an opportunity to build a real event, not just another race day. (If that is what is wanted by people of course). I for one would be hugely disappointed if the opportunity were passed over.

Cheers all and see yiz at Manfeild.

Steve
Moto Academy NZ

[Dodgy]

I doubt you would seriously get 1 hour 50 minutes on a 125 maybe 40 mins for them like moto gp style races. A the bikes arnt designed for those sort of runs they are designed quick burst races and then complete engine strip down but 1 hour 50 youd stuff it.


What utter bollocks Ivan

Piston is good for 500km, how many ks are you going to do in a 1 hour 50min endurance race? Certainly not 500km... maybe 250km if you are lucky??

How often have you even done a complete engine strip down each race? I thought your approach was to do remedial maintenance after each engine blow up?? :stupid:

[Dodgy]

[QUOTE=steveyb;1608675]
The 250's we have in NZ are now only just competitive with the good 650's/450's and not at all with the good 600's. The new bikes are just too fast against 10-15 yr old 250's. But it makes a great spectacle. And dude, please learn to write a coherent sentence!!

Christ Steve, how fat and slow have you got these days? :bash:

I would be surpirsed to see you on your 10 year old JHA rocketship be beaten by a 15 year old 450 by a similar rider?1

[steveyb]

Dodgy dude.
Sad but true it seems, with me on it that is. I have been to the Dartford school of weight control and fitness conditioning. Works a treat, if your aim is resemble a beached whale!

Oh, and JHA stuff has all but disappeared due to needing cash cash cash. Standard engine goes just as well for much less cost.

But with Glen Sketchy on the bike, well that is another fine kettle of fish altogether.

But Ivan makes a fair point. Have the 250's in an F3 race for individual points and prize. Then Glen might win something!! Yaayyy.

I really hope this event happens.

Steve

[scrivy]

I really hope this event happens.
Steve

Well, track 1 is now booked for the 29th, and so are the ambos!!! She's all on dudes!! :woohoo::Punk:
Now for you guys/gals to get back to me with your requirements!! :yes:

Are there gunna be any all girl teams??? I'm into that!! (Oh, I don't mean WT etc) :bleh:

[moT]

yeah im keen

[Kornholio]

Well, track 1 is now booked for the 29th, and so are the ambos!!! She's all on dudes!! :woohoo::Punk:
Now for you guys/gals to get back to me with your requirements!! :yes:



WOW nice one Scrivy... So would a couple of mates on a bog standard 01 GSXR 750 be able to enter?, what compound tires would be needed for this race?, are brolley dollies to be provided or do we bring our own?

[Goblin]

Excellent scrivy! One question...will I be able to get a day licence for the whole event or do I have to have an MNZ licence?

[Kornholio]

Excellent scrivy! One question...will I be able to get a day licence for the whole event or do I have to have an MNZ licence?

Oooh very good question indeed........ :mellow:

[scrivy]

WOW nice one Scrivy... So would a couple of mates on a bog standard 01 GSXR 750 be able to enter?, what compound tires would be needed for this race?, are brolley dollies to be provided or do we bring our own?
Bog standard 750? - hell yes - go hard boys!
Tyres???? I wouldn't know?!! I use 10 inch rear slicks!!!! Best you ask the hard chargers - like um....... White Trash!!
Dollies? At this stage I'd bring my own. But if ya have any spare...... (did I say there was a free entry in it........? :shifty:)


Excellent scrivy! One question...will I be able to get a day licence for the whole event or do I have to have an MNZ licence?

The endurance race day is being run under a separate permit, so a day licence would be required for the Road race spectacular meeting, and another for the endurance day.

I'm starting to bar up about this now - is that normal????:shutup::shit:

[Kornholio]

Bog standard 750? - hell yes - go hard boys!
Tyres???? I wouldn't know?!! I use 10 inch rear slicks!!!! Best you ask the hard chargers - like um....... White Trash!!


I dunno, his fairings spend more time on the ground than his tires :whistle:






I'm starting to bar up about this now - is that normal????:shutup::shit:

Its ok ive already blown my load :eek5:

[scrivy]

Its ok ive already blown my load :eek5:

I'm not there yet Korn!! :lol:

[White trash]

[COLOR="Red"]Best you ask the hard chargers - like um....... White Trash!!


Nah, Jamie McNair's the guy you need to talk to. He's a fucken legend that boy.

Just got off the phone with my good mate Carl Fogarty, he's keen. Seeing as between the two of us none of these other cunts stand a chance, all prize money can be deposited straight into my bank account if ya like Scrivy.

Carl was also wondering if Mr Slight would be prepared to make a comeback as, other than myself, he regards Aaron as his toughest Kiwi competitor. I said I'd ask.

[Kornholio]

Nah, Jamie McNair's the guy you need to talk to. He's a fucken legend that boy.



Ahh yes, you know I always get you two mixed up:sunny:

[cowpoos]

Nah, Jamie McNair's the guy you need to talk to. He's a fucken legend that boy.

Just got off the phone with my good mate Carl Fogarty, he's keen. Seeing as between the two of us none of these other cunts stand a chance, all prize money can be deposited straight into my bank account if ya like Scrivy.

Carl was also wondering if Mr Slight would be prepared to make a comeback as, other than myself, he regards Aaron as his toughest Kiwi competitor. I said I'd ask.
what the fuck are you drinking dude!! I want some [unless its sue's lactations jucie!!!]


Not so sure about the sproket idea dude..no fence's here and lots of farm stock,etc...and I'm almost certainly not going to be here anyway!!

[quallman1234]

Your need a new pistion and crank (if you anal) if your racing 125's!

Btw lads, for the record i was referring too a 500km race what someone had mentioned (3 1/2 hours) for a race 1 hr 50 minutes the 125's would be sweet as.

Only A-Spec 125's really need a rebuild every 500km etc, you can get more out of them if you tune em down a little bit.

[scrivy]

all prize money can be deposited straight into my bank account if ya like Scrivy.


Prizemoney??? What's that??? Is that like alimony???? :shit:

[Kornholio]

Prizemoney??? What's that??? Is that like alimony???? :shit:


More like p-money... How many dudes ya know roll like this, not many, if any :bash:

[evol mas]

ill be there !! yea any chance of it being a national title as there arnt any other endurance races in nz?????

[cowpoos]

Pot kettle black

Piffft!! and your to judge sunshine??? lol


BTW...has that fricken Quasi rang you to quote you a shed/barn yet?? or do I need to kick him in the arse and hurry him along???

[Kornholio]

ill be there !! yea any chance of it being a national title as there arnt any other endurance races in nz?????

What about the Coro loop?? pubs included??:blank:

[boomer]

You're all fooked now i found this thread.


Trashie.. can i borrow your fairings sunny!?

[CHOPPA]

count me in!

[Kornholio]

You're all fooked now i found this thread.


Trashie.. can i borrow your fairings sunny!?

Bugger who told him about this... Ill take you on the grass bro :D

[steveyb]

He aint no riders arsehole!!!

Oh, hang on, that's just what he said about just about every other bugger. Sorry, I'll get it right next time.

Aaron, you keen? Be fun to see a Slight/Merkel team up against a Rees/Cudlin team ay????

[Kornholio]

Aaron, you keen? Be fun to see a Slight/Merkel team up against a Rees/Cudlin team ay????

Na, a Aaron Slight/Rob Phillis team again :D

[CHOPPA]

oh is it teams? sweet! Im riding a thou then, hopefully me and johnny can stay on for how many hours?

[Clivoris]

I would shift heaven and family commitments to compete in an F3 endurance race. My mate Rocket Rod might even want to share his SV with me. The mighty mule 400 is up for it though if needed.

[Kickaha]

ill be there !! yea any chance of it being a national title as there arnt any other endurance races in nz?????

Motorcycling Canterbury run one every year at Ruapuna

30 minutes for Streetstock and Buckets

1 hour for the Juniour class (F3,125GP)

2 hour for the Senior (600,1000)

[Rashika]

Motorcycling Canterbury run one every year at Ruapuna

30 minutes for Streetstock and Buckets

1 hour for the Juniour class (F3,125GP)

2 hour for the Senior (600,1000)

There's also the Paul Nixon Memorial Endurance race(s) held at Teretonga in August each year (but too far and too cold for you norfies!), as well as the BOB (55mins + 1 lap) for the F4 at Ruapuna each year (been and gone this year).
See you guys just dont know how to handle an endurance race... probably why we have 'em all down south each year instead. ;)

[codgyoleracer]

Hey Scrivvy,
Good on you for having a go at this, - they are a great event to participate in for rider & team alike, for all you people that havent done one before - I can highly recommend them , - these events teach you a hell of a lot about organisation, preparation & consistency. My bike will be winging its way down south for the nats at the time - but who knows , I might be able to twist someones arm & team up with them. Would be very willing to support it for sure.
I suggest a box of chocolate fish for the winners & A can of Tui for the crashers. :-)
Glen

[Tony.OK]

Probably a dumb ass question,but I'm guessing that you'd want a team mate to be around the same weight as you to make it easier for setups etc?

[sidecar bob]

What is it with you Scrivy, Every thread you are involved in turns into the shit talk thread from hell!!
Listen to these guys, More shit than the loos at a chili eating contest.

[scrivy]

:drool::drool: Didn't know I had that effect on people Bob!!

What say we take your RSV into the superbike enduro???? MATE!!!!:whistle:

[sidecar bob]

:drool::drool: Didn't know I had that effect on people Bob!!

What say we take your RSV into the superbike enduro???? MATE!!!!:whistle:

Yeah, well seeing as its just my "old" bike now, What the hell, Lets kill it!!

[Kornholio]

Yeah, well seeing as its just my "old" bike now, What the hell, Lets kill it!!

Race the RC8 bro :Pokey:

[sidecar bob]

In my dreams bro. :msn-wink:

[enigma51]

In my dreams bro. :msn-wink:

Come on or is sidecards swingers realy gay <_<

[sidecar bob]

Come on or is sidecards swingers realy gay <_<

Na, Thats sidecar drivers you are thinking of.:yes:

[scrivy]

Na, Thats sidecar drivers you are thinking of.:yes:

um... correction there Bob, it's 'LCR' sidecar drivers and passengers!! :2thumbsup

[enigma51]

Na, Thats sidecar drivers you are thinking of.:yes:

Im sorry
is sidecar drivers gay? :baby:


So the 19th still on?

[enigma51]

um... correction there Bob, it's 'LCR' sidecar drivers and passengers!! :2thumbsup

Should you not be practicing or something i wanna go fast not drink tea

[scrivy]

Should you not be practicing or something i wanna go fast not drink tea

Oh, you will be going fast Enima. Thing is, will it be on your backside or the rig??
The 19th is still on - book that date!!

[enigma51]

Oh, you will be going fast Enima. Thing is, will it be on your backside or the rig??
The 19th is still on - book that date!!

Sweet
So go and practice!

As a side not
I like your enduro idea would be cool to have a series ie your idea and trashies puke idea

[Kornholio]

So what is a MNZ day license gonna cost us and how do we get a hold of that?

[scrivy]

So what is a MNZ day license gonna cost us and how do we get a hold of that?

The event day licenses are $15, and are available on the day from sign on.:sunny:

[Kornholio]

The event day licenses are $15, and are available on the day from sign on.:sunny:

Well paint my nails red and call me Gordon.... Thats something that will come into the budget...chur bro ;)

[sidecar bob]

He's a good bastard aint he, Most clubs would charge $45 & pocket the other thirty.

[Drew]

He's a good bastard aint he, Most clubs would charge $45 & pocket the other thirty.

Admin costs mate.

No question at all, as far as devient chair riders go, Scrivs OK.

Three chairs for the devient...

Hip hip!

[enigma51]

He's a good bastard aint he, Most clubs would charge $45 & pocket the other thirty.

But apparently very slow at driving a sidecar ....... well thats according to kiwifruit


I have a friend (sort off) that has a friend who works for sky sport. He mostly covers the taga rally etc so will ask him to put a word in to say that there is rumours of this event happening and maybe ...... and its is long shot...... we will have some tv time.

[scrivy]

But apparently very slow at driving a sidecar ....... well thats according to kiwifruit
Fruitiebix is gunna hurt for that one!!! :bash::yes:

I have a friend (sort off) that has a friend who works for sky sport. He mostly covers the taga rally etc so will ask him to put a word in to say that there is rumours of this event happening and maybe ...... and its is long shot...... we will have some tv time.
I am currently trying to organise either TV, speedboxtv or DVDs for the 2 day Taupo Road Race Spectacular. Believe me, there will be some sort of coverage!!
As for the endurance races, I'm not sure at this stage - trying to keep costs lower for the riders.
Talking to Telesport this Saturday night at their end of year function in Auckland.

[glice]

if there is a road bike and slow bugger class as suggested earlyer I will be keen. unless I mangage to get a race bike before then.

[CHOPPA]

so at this stage is it all on? how longs it gonna be? is it single rider or teams? 1 bike or 2? cheeeeeeers

[scrivy]

so at this stage is it all on? how longs it gonna be? is it single rider or teams? 1 bike or 2? cheeeeeeers

Oh yes its on!! Track, ambos, food etc. all booked!!
As for length, single rider etc, I want feedback from the riders on that.
I currently see it as a 90 min race for F3 etc, and an up to 4 hour race for F1/F2. (Remember track hire times are only 7 hours). I would also see it as a team (2 rider) event.

Please, I need input everyone.
Can anyone interested in this event please PM me with your expression of interest, and also your thoughts. There have been some great ideas so far, but I need more input, so I can say I've heard it from the masses!!!!

[Skunk]

We, the Bucket riders would be keen for an endurance event too. Can't see that fitting into the current programme. Combined with the Streetstocks maybe?

[Rashika]

We, the Bucket riders would be keen for an endurance event too. Can't see that fitting into the current programme. Combined with the Streetstocks maybe?

yes indeed, the bucketeers would all be keen... :drool:
If we are up for the Taupo 2 day, might as well do an endurance event as well, makes the costs of getting across the water viable.

[Kornholio]

Please, I need input everyone.
Can anyone interested in this event please PM me with your expression of interest, and also your thoughts. There have been some great ideas so far, but I need more input, so I can say I've heard it from the masses!!!!

PM sent o 3 wheeled one :D

[scrivy]

We, the Bucket riders would be keen for an endurance event too. Can't see that fitting into the current programme. Combined with the Streetstocks maybe?
You'll have your wish Skunk.


yes indeed, the bucketeers would all be keen... :drool:
If we are up for the Taupo 2 day, might as well do an endurance event as well, makes the costs of getting across the water viable.
Entry forms aren't too far away guys. Just waiting for MNZ final sign off.
Buckets (F4 & F5) are having their GP on the afternoon of day 1 (Sat) Race length dependant on numbers - but probably 30 mins.
Hope this helps!

[glice]

will there be street stock? or something a cbr250 could race in?

[scrivy]

will there be street stock? or something a cbr250 could race in?

There is a 150 streetstock class :niceone:

[ajturbo]

You'll have your wish Skunk.


Entry forms aren't too far away guys. Just waiting for MNZ final sign off.
Buckets (F4 & F5) are having their GP on the afternoon of day 1 (Sat) Race length dependant on numbers - but probably 30 Min's.
Hope this helps!

30 min..... cool... but think of the carnage... it will be fun!!!:clap:

[moT]

finally i can live my life dream of being a drifter

[Buckets4Me]

Good on ya mate

see ya there

[koba]

I'd be in like This man.
Streetstock, Buckets or F3, depending on what bike is running :laugh:

[BIHB@0610]

I'd be in like This man.
Streetstock, Buckets or F3, depending on what bike is running :laugh:

Goddamnit if someone like that's gonna be there, I'll be plaiting my hair and wearing flimsy negligee .......:devil2:

[scrivy]

Goddamnit if someone like that's gonna be there, I'll be plaiting my hair and wearing flimsy negligee .......:devil2:

Planna..... we told you... that's for the afterdo....... :whistle::pinch:

[glice]

There is a 150 streetstock class :niceone:

cool, all going to plan, I'd be in for that.
If you do decide that it will be a team event, will it have to be an even spit between riders, or can there be a main one that does most of it?

[Kornholio]

Umm do you need to have a current Drivers license and/or motorbike license to race in this??

Everyone i ask is a bit vague on this subject :mellow:

[svr]

Why don't you guys run a NZRRC meeting instead???
Maybe get PMC to help?
Good track and good organisers going to waste!

[Drew]

Why don't you guys run a NZRRC meeting instead???
Maybe get PMC to help?
Good track and good organisers going to waste!

Admitting my ignorance. What track would this be?

[roogazza]

So people, if its going to have classes for 150's and buckets and some of the entrants are wanting to get a 'day licence" this is going to a club fun day and not a national meet ? or haven't I read far enough back ? G.

[Drew]

So people, if its going to have classes for 150's and buckets and some of the entrants are wanting to get a 'day licence" this is going to a club fun day and not a national meet ? or haven't I read far enough back ? G.Since it's the only event Scriv runs, he can call it the National title for cynical old men if you want, so long as he incorperates his MNZ affiliate name somewhere.

[roogazza]

Cynical old men ? that would have to be me wouldn't it, they
don't come much older !!! Gaz.

[Drew]

Cynical old men ? that would have to be me wouldn't it, they
don't come much older !!! Gaz.

And few have such an aptitude for cynicism:laugh:

[Ivan]

This is gonna be insane I found me a partner to race with as well.:crazy:

And yeah off subject SVR that would be good aye im surprised no club runs a round ofnationals atTaupo its a wicked circuit

[Drew]

This is gonna be insane I found me a partner to race with as well.:crazy:

And yeah off subject SVR that would be good aye im surprised no club runs a round ofnationals atTaupo its a wicked circuit

PMCC run an entire series there, and VIC club did their first round there this year, normally it's first and last rounds.

[neil_cb125t]

Hey,
i have looked at setting one up at Manfeild - i have also spoken to MNZ and there is nothing really stoping anyone running an event. They wouldnt tell me anything about Refueling, rulz regs etc.

I looked at runinng f1 and f2 together - F3 and Pro twin, over 2 days. With Le Mans start - no Qualifying needed. I was looking 2, 4 hour races.

Buckets would just be painful! if your only going to have 1 day then i would say no but im not a bucket racer. if u must then add 150s to it.

So it would be 3 races on one day - maybe 1 hour for buckets and 150s then 2 hours f3 / pro twin then 3 hours F2and F1 that gives you 6 hours racing.

start at 930 buckets to 1030 then at 1100 F3/pro twin till 100pm then at 130pm F1 and F2 to 430?

Let us know if you need any other info or help. would be a great event

the Airforce does 50cc - 6 hour race its awesome.
Chappy

my no is 063221529 or cell 021 866345






I am just fielding interest in an endurance race on December the 29th at Taupo, the day after the Taupo Road Race Spectacular.

I thought this may suit competitors that have travelled over here, to stay 1 more day, and get to race and/or watch an endurance race.

Chris Lawrance and I are keen to run the event, with lower entry fees as per our meeting, with trophies for top placegetters, and trophies for classes within classes. The track would be the long track, and classes would be what YOU the racers wanted. The length would also be what YOU the racers wanted. I would like to have two separate races on the 1 day, a longer race for over 600's maybe, and a slightly shorter race for F3 etc. (open to your ideas).

Can interested peoples please reply to this thread, and if there are enough genuine entries, then we will proceed with the event. 3 great days of motorsport action - petrolhead heaven!
As I have always stated, I would love to see an endurance race, and if I can make it happen, I will.

Scrivy

[Kornholio]

Umm do you need to have a current Drivers license and/or motorbike license to race in this??

Everyone i ask is a bit vague on this subject :mellow:

:Pokey:..........................

[Drew]

:Pokey:..........................

Maybe they dont like you and dont want you to show up:innocent:

[Ivan]

PMCC run an entire series there, and VIC club did their first round there this year, normally it's first and last rounds.

Yeah i know that I said Nationals tho like the National Road Race Series not club days.

Dont get me wrong the club days rule

[Kornholio]

Maybe they dont like you and dont want you to show up:innocent:

I knew i smelled a bit funny, but not that bad :crybaby:

[evol mas]

i think a riders should be able to choose wether they could do the event on there own or with partner as you should know your own ability

[Goblin]

i think a riders should be able to choose wether they could do the event on there own or with partner as you should know your own abilityI agree. Is there an option to do the endurance race alone?

[Shaun P]

Ive noticed a club endurance meeting here in Melbourne run combined classes eg sbike ssport f3 together, then you can choose 1 bike 1 rider, 1 bike 2 riders, 2 bikes 2 riders. Compulsory stops etc. It would be good having the flexiblity to suit everyones situation?

[scracha]

start at 930 buckets to 1030 then at 1100 F3/pro twin till 100pm then at 130pm F1 and F2 to 430?


Buckets at lunchtime. Then the hard old bastards who tell us they raced their nortonwankelmesserchmits round the nurburgring for 12 hours solo can ride their SV650's in both races.

[WarrenW]

Sounds great. What sort of thing are we looking at - 2 riders one bike etc?

[CHOPPA]

Ive noticed a club endurance meeting here in Melbourne run combined classes eg sbike ssport f3 together, then you can choose 1 bike 1 rider, 1 bike 2 riders, 2 bikes 2 riders. Compulsory stops etc. It would be good having the flexiblity to suit everyones situation?

is that us on the r1 shaun? when should i book my tickets!!

[scrivy]

Umm do you need to have a current Drivers license and/or motorbike license to race in this??

Everyone i ask is a bit vague on this subject :mellow:

Sorry for the delay Korn. As I understand it, a day licence is all thats required.

[Kornholio]

Sorry for the delay Korn. As I understand it, a day licence is all thats required.

Giddy up :D

[Unit]

Well Im keen to join in if anyone will have me on their team. Not fast but Im consistent and reliable, and can handle long time on the bike. Sounds like a great finish to a great week of motor sport, count me in.

[ajturbo]

on another note...
what is the MAX number of riders allowed?...

thinking my bucket ( as it is so fast) could handle 5-10 riders.....

[livewire]

hey scrivvy sounds good where do i sign

[scrivy]

hey scrivvy sounds good where do i sign

I've got alot of interest so far, but it needs to equate into bums on seats (race bike seats).

I have an entry form ready for an MNZ permit, and should have it sent off to them next week. As soon as it arrives back, I'll then forward it on to competitors, and post on KB. :2thumbsup

Cheers,
Scrivy

[Skunk]

When are the entries for the two days prior coming out (27th-28th)? Or are you doing them together?

[scrivy]

When are the entries for the two days prior coming out (27th-28th)? Or are you doing them together?

The Taupo Road Race Spectacular entry form has been with MNZ since their conference back in May!! Every year we have to wait (sometimes up to 3 months!!! Utter bullshit if you ask me!!) Once it arrives back, we will post on KB etc., but we'd also like to include the Endurance race meeting on the 29th, and also the Tri-series at Manfeild, Wangy and Taupo when we send the forms to competitors.

Scrivy.

Now I know why the saying goes...... '....and a little boy waits.......'

[sinfull]

Why am i getting all het up about it, i dont even have a race bike !
Bloody Mrs might have to wait for her new bike till next year bwahahahaha
Sounds like i reeaaallly need to set myself up, i'm missing out on all the fun !

[ajturbo]

The Taupo Road Race Spectacular entry form has been with MNZ since their conference back in May!! Every year we have to wait (sometimes up to 3 months!!! Utter bullshit if you ask me!!) Once it arrives back, we will post on KB etc., but we'd also like to include the Endurance race meeting on the 29th, and also the Tri-series at Manfeild, Wangy and Taupo when we send the forms to competitors.

Scrivy.

Now I know why the saying goes...... '....and a little boy waits.......'
oooooOOOOOooooo yes please hurry MNZ...am so looking forward to this... just how many bikes can i enter on???
buckets
bears?
pre 82....
or
clubmans..

[scrivy]

oooooOOOOOooooo yes please hurry MNZ...am so looking forward to this... just how many bikes can i enter on???
buckets
bears?
pre 82....
or
clubmans..

Enter all 8!!!

[flame]

BEARs :banana::2thumbsup:woohoo::Punk:

Cant wait!!!!

[roogazza]

BEARs :banana::2thumbsup:woohoo::Punk:

Cant wait!!!!

Lets see Vic, a two hour race , thats about 10 pit stops on a Duc ! if you're lucky ? Ha ha G.

[enigma51]

Lets see Vic, a two hour race , thats about 10 pit stops on a Duc ! if you're lucky ? Ha ha G.

Dont forget the hour he will be in the pits putting stuff back thats has fallen off!

[flame]

Lets see Vic, a two hour race , thats about 10 pit stops on a Duc ! if you're lucky ? Ha ha G.


Dont forget the hour he will be in the pits putting stuff back thats has fallen off!

She'll last the distance...no probs. She's special:bleh: And us gals have got stamina:msn-wink:!

[Drew]

Lets see Vic, a two hour race , thats about 10 pit stops on a Duc ! if you're lucky ? Ha ha G.

Piss off Garry, you're never ending bleak as all fuck outlook is getting very old, (I'd say as old as you, but modern science still cant explain the last carbon date the got from your sample)


Dont forget the hour he will be in the pits putting stuff back thats has fallen off!

Perhaps, but SHE'll still beat you!