which bike is better

[mini_hooks_]

alright guys tell me is a fireblade better than a gsx-r thousand???

[jrandom]

Neither, if you're planning on being the pillion.

Push him towards an STX1300.

[bungbung]

When nobody was looking I had a squish of Hook's pillion seat. Very plush. I'd stay put if I were you...

[Hitcher]

Tough comparison -- a v-twin versus an inline four. A bit like deciding between chocolate or strawberry icecream...

[bungbung]

Shouldn't that be inline-4 vs inline-4 (fireblade vs gsxr)?

[mini_hooks_]

When nobody was looking I had a squish of Hook's pillion seat. Very plush. I'd stay put if I were you...

will do :yes:

[mini_hooks_]

Neither, if you're planning on being the pillion.

Push him towards an STX1300.

na...he wont be able to handle the power :killingme

[Motoracer]

Fireblade is a more user friendly bike from what I have been told. It'll probably better suit the road, maybe... The GSXR is great all round but it is probably better suited for the track. Maybe WT and one of the new Blade owners can object to this statement or confirm it. From what I have been told by some owners, GSXR can really be a handful if you wana give it heaps where as Honda handeling is a lot nicer on the rider.

If you are talking about which one is better performance wise, then you'd need to be a top racer to find out the difference as all modern 1000 cc inline four sports bikes are top stuff packed with insane amounts of HP.

[Hitcher]

Shouldn't that be inline-4 vs inline-4 (fireblade vs gsxr)?
Well spotted. Still getting the hang of this Honda stuff, obviously. Fireblade, Firestorm, sigh...

[mini_hooks_]

:rolleyes:
Fireblade is a more user friendly bike from what I have been told. It'll probably better suit the road, maybe... The GSXR is great all round but it is probably better suited for the track. Maybe WT and one of the new Blade owners can object to this statement or confirm it. From what I have been told by some owners, GSXR can really be a handful if you wana give it heaps where as Honda handeling is a lot nicer on the rider.

If you are talking about which one is better performance wise, then you'd need to be a top racer to find out the difference as all modern 1000 cc inline four sports bikes are top stuff packed with insane amounts of HP.

now can we pretend i dont read perormance bike magazine for a moment an say that in english... :rolleyes:

[jrandom]

Yes, I've pillioned on a colleague's GSX1100, and it stood up to the test very well. You won't find anything significantly more comfortable.

If it's all about image, just close your eyes and imagine it's a YZR-M1 (since RC211Vs aren't sexy any more).

[mini_hooks_]

Yes, I've pillioned on a colleague's GSX1100, and it stood up to the test very well. You won't find anything significantly more comfortable.

If it's all about image, just close your eyes and imagine it's a YZR-M1 (since RC211Vs aren't sexy any more).

its has nothing to do with the image, i just dont like dads bike,its too gutless and hes wont get rid of it!!!!!! :angry2:

[Two Smoker]

Performance wise i have heard that the gixxer is better.... Rider friendly on the road wise, the Fireblade is better..

[Motoracer]

:rolleyes:

now can we pretend i dont read perormance bike magazine for a moment an say that in english... :rolleyes:Just realised your profile details. If that was a general question then, it all depends on the needs and wants of the specific rider. Some people a gixxer guys/gals and some people are honda guys/gals. You can't really go too wrong if you pick either one if you are not brand concerned.

If you really were asking which bike is better to pillion on then, you are a braver man than I. Cause both of them are reduculously quick, specially to be a pillion on :shit:

[mini_hooks_]

Just realised your profile details. If that was a general question then, it all depends on the needs and wants of the specific rider. Some people a gixxer guys/gals and some people are honda guys/gals. You can't really go too wrong if you pick either one if you are not brand concerned.

If you really were asking which bike is better to pillion on then, you are a braver man than I. Cause both of them are reduculously quick, specially to be a pillion on :shit:

i was asking which is better to pillion on, when you sit on dads seat for about half an hour it begins to start feeling like a rock...when i took a ride on the back of badlutennants vfr 750 for about 45 mins it still felt quite comfortable,
but for some reason dad doesnt like honda's

[Hitcher]

But for some reason Dad doesn't like Hondas
Tell him that the "dark side" may take him when he least expects it...

[Two Smoker]

Tell him that the "dark side" may take him when he least expects it...
As you have well found out....

I wouldn't pillion on either.... as you would need to be extremely strong and fit.... and have an arse of steal..... also be a midget for the distance between the seeat and pillion pegs..

If you want insane speed and comfort.. go for the CBR1100XX (Blackbird)

[vifferman]

but for some reason dad doesnt like honda'sBecause he's a bigot?
Because he's irrational?
Because he got bitten by one once?
Because when he was a very small child one gave him a fright and now he has persistent nightmares?
Because no-one expects the Spanish Inquisition?

[betti]

he is wise to stay away from the dark side.. the honda is too sensible!, the gsx1100 may not be the most comfortable tourer, but that engine is a bit of a monster really mate, it might not live with yer gixxer's and bladez, but a lot of em are still tearin up dragstripz all over the world and winnin.
there is a sayin in the UK fireblades are like arseholes.. everyone's got one!

[vifferman]

If you want insane speed and comfort.. go for the CBR1100XX (Blackbird)Are you just saying that to taunt me because I didn't test-ride one before the vifferbabe talked me into buying the VifFerraRi?:(

[vifferman]

there is a sayin in the UK fireblades are like arseholes.. everyone's
got one!I don't believe we're in the UK. :whistle:
And here, everyone has Harleys or Yamakawazuki GSXZXRRRRs.

[betti]

fair play mate, im lookin out the window at the bloody weather at the moment, and Its hard to believe im not back in freezin, wet, blighty :crybaby:

[Quasievil]

If your looking for comfort from the GSX or the CBR forget it, they arent built designed for this purpose.

The best sport bike/tourer on the market will be the VFR800 (in my opinion) and then maybe a Bandit.

You will never find long distance comnfort on a sports bike unfortunetly. I have this dilema with my bike and last week test rode a few, the VFR beats the lots for comfort without to much of a comprimise on sports handling.
If I was to make a choice from the GSX and the CBR I would go the CBR because at least with underseat exhaust you will have the option of attaching a rear footpeg Modification to allow a better legroom.I dont think you can do this with the GSX as it has a pipe on one side which may support the footpeg

Good luck

[Quasievil]

As you have well found out....

I wouldn't pillion on either.... as you would need to be extremely strong and fit.... and have an arse of steal..... also be a midget for the distance between the seeat and pillion pegs..

If you want insane speed and comfort.. go for the CBR1100XX (Blackbird)
Yes another good option Chris CBR1100xx is and awesome bike, but perhaps not so nimble
It really comes down how far down the sports to Tourer ruler you want to go.

[Quasievil]

I don't believe we're in the UK. :whistle:
And here, everyone has Harleys or Yamakawazuki GSXZXRRRRs.
Last time I looked the registration stats show Hondas out sell everything bar Suzukis, a year or so old but Kwakas and Yamas are nearere the bottom of the Jap sales Not everyone can have good taste I suppose lol

[Sensei]

Well have riden CBR1000RR & own GSXR1000 03 & I can tell you straight CBR1000 Excellent bike if you want a boring do everything great bike /comfort of the seat is Crap must be about 2mm thick & made of wood . GSXR fuck ROCK Best motor bar none & best comfort of all the 1000's I know riden all of them before buy my GSXR. But different size body's will suit one of the other bike's possibly So try before you buy :done:
SENSEI :whocares:

[Deano]

there is a sayin in the UK fireblades are like arseholes.. everyone's got one!

But in saying that, everyone needs one too........

I wouldn't want to pillion on either of them Mini Hooks - in fact I hate trusting anyone on the riders seat really, scares me shitless - especially if you saw the way some of my mates ride.

For a bit more power I would be pushing the old bugger :Pokey: towards a Blackbird, VFR800, Bandit or Hayabusa - unless he would consider a twin, in which case a VTR1000 or SV1000

[Hitcher]

Ahem... [small voice pipes up] In all of this discussion about speed and comfort nobody has mentioned the STX1300...

[guzzi_nz]

GO with v-twin :first: 4 s :second:

[bungbung]

unless he would consider a twin, in which case a VTR1000 or SV1000

Judging by the complaining from Mrs Bungbung, the VTR pillion accommodation is not very accommodating.

[MSTRS]

its has nothing to do with the image, i just dont like dads bike,its too gutless and hes wont get rid of it!!!!!! :angry2:
OK it's not quite a gixxer, but you can still wash your mouth out young man :angry: :angry2:

[MSTRS]

Because no-one expects the Spanish Inquisition?
....or the Comfy Chair....

[MSTRS]

I will reluctantly (looks over shoulder) admit that sports bikes' seats are not the most comfortable after a while. I cut a piece of sheepskin to fit mine & it makes a big difference. :shake:

[inlinefour]

...question I've come across. The Honda cannot be even compared to that other thing...

:killingme :killingme :killingme :killingme :killingme :killingme

[inlinefour]

Fireblade is a more user friendly bike from what I have been told. It'll probably better suit the road, maybe... The GSXR is great all round but it is probably better suited for the track. Maybe WT and one of the new Blade owners can object to this statement or confirm it. From what I have been told by some owners, GSXR can really be a handful if you wana give it heaps where as Honda handeling is a lot nicer on the rider.

If you are talking about which one is better performance wise, then you'd need to be a top racer to find out the difference as all modern 1000 cc inline four sports bikes are top stuff packed with insane amounts of HP.


Does no one here watch the world superbikes or what? Chris Venmulan(sp) springs to my mind, and where are the other jappos in the pack? Oh thats right um, er ahh, I think they are there somewhere aint they? :confused:

[MSTRS]

... The Honda cannot be even compared to that other thing...


No it can't & I see you have had the power of descripive speech removed by even just daring to think of the MIGHTY GIXXER :bleh: :Pokey:

[onearmedbandit]

Does no one here watch the world superbikes or what? Chris Venmulan(sp) springs to my mind, and where are the other jappos in the pack? Oh thats right um, er ahh, I think they are there somewhere aint they? :confused:


Honda, that has no bearing whatsoever on road bike performance/comfort/user-friendeness. Apples with apples.

[MD]

What the hell, who's scewing with the results. Is this poll run by the Zimbabwe Govt's fair and democratic election officals also known as the We support Mugabe and any Suzuki party. Step aside you prejudiced Suzuki supporters so a fair and balanced view can be heard from an equally biased Honda supporter.
Firstly Mini-hooks no one in their right mind wants to pillion on any 1000cc sports bike. The best pillion machine is probably the Honda VFR or Triumph STand for those of larger stature even better, as Hitcher tried to hint at, is the Honda STX1300.
Now back to sports bikes. As someone mentioned early, Chris Vermuelen on the sole Blade in the WSB series made a joke out of the pack of "also ran" other jappers that never got close enough to the front to get in a single camera shot all series! Were ALL those 'other jap riders' having bad days - every race, or were they having so much 'excitment' on their slower bikes that they didn't notice that they were always coming in last? Their scooters might have done better. And some say excellent handling and power delivery is not as exciting? Go figure. Well now that was totally unbiased I'd say. And if anyone disagrees then they are obviously irrational and prejudiced and their opinions should be excluded from this poll. In fact only Honda supporters should be allowed to vote, don't you reckon Robert, worked for you in Zimbabwe land.
MD

[magnum]

try both!!!!!!!i personally would buy a honda[sacrillidge] :thud: less of a handfull[apparently]and better resale value[all hondas in general].if you kawasaki well............................

[avgas]

mmmmmMMMmmmm i like both. But at the end of the day i want the GSXR, unless its the 2005 with its horrible look and exhaust. yucky.
2004 was all good in my books though.
What about the ZXR10, more bark than a german shepard.

[crashe]

To soften the ride a bit... why not get a piece of sheepskinwool and attach it to the pillon seat.... having sheepskin wool does help the tush to not get so sore on long rides... so try that out on dry days, not when its raining thou.

[Mencius]

To soften the ride a bit... why not get a piece of sheepskinwool and attach it to the pillon seat.... having sheepskin wool does help the tush to not get so sore on long rides... so try that out on dry days, not when its raining thou.

Are boys allowed to say tush? :confused2

Ang

[WINJA]

A FEW MAGS HAVE DONE COMPARO,S THE BEST ONE IS THE JEREZ TEST , THE RESULTS WERE ZX10 FIRST, THEN GSXR1000, THEN UNBELIEVABLY GSXR750, THEN R1 AND LASTLY THE CBR1000 AND RIGHTLY SO. THE TEST IS ALL INDEPENDENT BY TOP RIDERS AND AVERAGE RIDERS ITS A GREAT TEST AS NO COMPANY CAN BUY A RESULT THEY ALSO CANT SEND RINGERS AS THE BIKES ARE BOUGHT AT RANDOM FROM A RETAILER. IN FAST BIKES THEY PUT THE BLADE LAST , GSXR1000 SECOND AND R1 FIRST.BIKES IN RACE CONDITIONS ARE A BIT DIFFERENT YOU CAN HAVE CHEQUE BOOK RACING. BUT GET A GSXR WHICH IS ONLY 18OOO AND SPEND 1000 ON IT ITS A REAL WEAPON. THE BLADE IS 22000 WHICH STILL MAKES IT 3000 MORE THAN THE GSXR WITH A SLIPON ITS EASY TO REMOVE THE SET VALVE FROM THE SUZUKI .THE GSXR HAS REALLY COMFY SEATS AS WELL GOOD FOT TOURING. HONDA HAVE POOR BACKUP FOR PARTS AND WARRANTY ISSUES. AS FOR THE WSB COMMENT WELL THE HONDA DIDNT WIN . BUT WHAT ABOUT THE AMA AND BSB. MY OPINION HONDA MAKE BORING BIKES AND THEIR BUILD QUALITY IS ONLY AS GOOD AS THE OTHER JAPPERS

[onearmedbandit]

WTF has WSB results got to do with the bikes we ride every day? Very fucking little, unless you do ride a machine worth many hundreds of thousands of dollars, in not only parts but also time spent perfecting, modifying and re-testing many different combinations of said parts.

Like comparing a road std WRX and a WRC spec WRX.

[onearmedbandit]

Almost every comparo I've read (no, I haven't done a full 4 bike test myself) has said the CBR1000 does feel boring in comparison to the other 3. However, they say this allows the rider to put in a fast(er) lap without noticing it so much as compared to the other 3. So boring it may be, but a competent fast bike it is.

[onearmedbandit]

Re suzuki's ugly exhaust, apparently it is where the catalytic convertor is housed (for emission regs) so a quick change to an aftermarket pipe gets rid of the cc in one easy go. Makes sense now doesn't it?

[WINJA]

Almost every comparo I've read (no, I haven't done a full 4 bike test myself) has said the CBR1000 does feel boring in comparison to the other 3. However, they say this allows the rider to put in a fast(er) lap without noticing it so much as compared to the other 3. So boring it may be, but a competent fast bike it is.
THIS IS CONTRADICTORY TO THE SPANISH TEST AROUND THE TRACK THE BLADE WAS THE SLOWEST IT EVEN GOT BEATEN BY THE GSXR750. IT FELT SLOW CAUSE IT WAS SLOW ACCORDING TO 15 GOOD RIDERS . WHEN A BIKE SQUIRMS OR SLIDES ITS NOT ALWAYS BAD SOMETIMES ITS JUST THE BIKE TALKING TO YOU, AND FEED BACK FROM A BIKE CAN BE GOOD THING

[Sensei]

Well Excellent post "Winja" / "Onearmedbandit" I tkink they some up thing's pretty good Oyea all GSXR,s RULE . They have been round for 20+year's how long have any of the rest ummm "Fuck all "
SENSEI :niceone:

[crashe]

Are boys allowed to say tush? :confused2

Ang

Yep anyone can say tush......

[Mencius]

Yep anyone can say tush......

*cough* Actually neglected to notice you were gender neutral when I posted that. I blame the vodka :not:

Now are you *sure* about the tush thing?

Ang

[Stevo]

Does no one here watch the world superbikes or what? Chris Venmulan(sp) springs to my mind, and where are the other jappos in the pack? Oh thats right um, er ahh, I think they are there somewhere aint they? :confused:

Me bein a Honda man I back this 100% and I'm not biased. My Mrs is a Kawasaki girl and The ZX10 was the next best Japper in WSBs. So this awesome Suzuko track bike was where?????

I tell you! Behind Honda, a shitload of Ducs and a couple of Kawasakis and a few more Ducs just for good measure........... Bwaaahahahahahahahahaha.

Personally if I were you I wouldn't want either. Not unless I was to strap a cushion off the sofa to it! Buying a hard out sport bike to carry a pillion is comparable to buying a coupe as a family car I woulda thought??

In saying that riding on the back of the ZX9R is not that bad, but back then (94) the pillion pads were a bit bigger from current observations...........

[crashe]

*cough* Actually neglected to notice you were gender neutral when I posted that. I blame the vodka :not:

Now are you *sure* about the tush thing?

Ang

lol yep absolutely..... anyone can say tush.....

On the turps huh...and ya never offered it around..... shame on you...lol

[Stevo]

CBR1000 Excellent bike if you want a boring do everything great bike
SENSEI :whocares:




Hondas are only boring Jappers cos they have (for YEARS) been the only brand to be able to compete with and beat Ducs in Superbikes. Everyone who says they are boring is obviously not riding it hard enough!!!!

[Mencius]

lol yep absolutely..... anyone can say tush.....

On the turps huh...and ya never offered it around..... shame on you...lol

Sorry, sorry, my netiquette is lapsing...........drink, anybody?

Mmm, vodka good!

Ang

[crashe]

Sorry, sorry, my netiquette is lapsing...........drink, anybody?

Mmm, vodka good!

Ang

And now you are offering a drink just as I am heading off to bed....
How about a raincheck....?

[onearmedbandit]

Hondas are only boring Jappers cos they have (for YEARS) been the only brand to be able to compete with and beat Ducs in Superbikes. Everyone who says they are boring is obviously not riding it hard enough!!!!

Come on Stevo, these reports have come from riders who really know how to push bikes, who get paid to do it, some who race them for a living. And the important phrase to remember here is "in comparison with".

[MD]

A FEW MAGS HAVE DONE COMPARO,S THE BEST ONE IS THE JEREZ TEST , THE RESULTS WERE ZX10 FIRST, THEN GSXR1000, THEN UNBELIEVABLY GSXR750, THEN R1 AND LASTLY THE CBR1000 AND RIGHTLY SO. THE TEST IS ALL INDEPENDENT BY TOP RIDERS AND AVERAGE RIDERS ITS A GREAT TEST AS NO COMPANY CAN BUY A RESULT THEY ALSO CANT SEND RINGERS AS THE BIKES ARE BOUGHT AT RANDOM FROM A RETAILER. IN FAST BIKES THEY PUT THE BLADE LAST , GSXR1000 SECOND AND R1 FIRST.BIKES IN RACE CONDITIONS ARE A BIT DIFFERENT YOU CAN HAVE CHEQUE BOOK RACING. BUT GET A GSXR WHICH IS ONLY 18OOO AND SPEND 1000 ON IT ITS A REAL WEAPON. THE BLADE IS 22000 WHICH STILL MAKES IT 3000 MORE THAN THE GSXR WITH A SLIPON ITS EASY TO REMOVE THE SET VALVE FROM THE SUZUKI .THE GSXR HAS REALLY COMFY SEATS AS WELL GOOD FOT TOURING. HONDA HAVE POOR BACKUP FOR PARTS AND WARRANTY ISSUES. AS FOR THE WSB COMMENT WELL THE HONDA DIDNT WIN . BUT WHAT ABOUT THE AMA AND BSB. MY OPINION HONDA MAKE BORING BIKES AND THEIR BUILD QUALITY IS ONLY AS GOOD AS THE OTHER JAPPERS
Selective reading I see. Try PB comparos in Aug and Oct 04. Six out of the six testers (Oct) picked the Blade over the other 1000s including the MV. The test covered road and track use. Then there's RIDE's public survey of 10,000 UK bikers who picked ... try and guess. The journos can't agree so why should we.
Blades retail at $20,900 by the way. Hey who cares, if I still had one of my SL125s I'd argue that it's the best bike around.
Anyway WINJA are you going to come to any track days at Manfeild? I can't make the 15 Jan but want to get a day in soon.

[gav]

NZ Superbike racing suggests GSXR's rule, you may not have noticed but no factory Suzuki in WSBK, well there will be this year with Troy Corser and Yuki Kagiyama racing for Corona Suzuki. How about AMA Superbike? How did the mighty HRC backed Ben Bostrom piloted CBR do? Got its arse kicked by Mat Mladin again on the GSXR, how about BSB? Another GSXR victory, oh and I own a Honda.....

[Mr Skid]

Sorry, sorry, my netiquette is lapsing...........drink, anybody?

Mmm, vodka good!

Ang
Make mine a double.

[Mencius]

Make mine a double.

They come in singles?

*passes Paparazzi a vodka*

Enjoy!

Ang

[Mr Skid]

They come in singles?

*passes Paparazzi a vodka*

Enjoy!

Ang

*glug* ah.

oh. where are my legs?

[Hitcher]

I been up, I been down.
Take my word, my way around.
I ain't askin' for much.
I said, Lord, take me downtown,
I'm just lookin' for some tush.

I been bad, I been good,
Dallas, Texas, Hollywood.
I ain't askin' for much.
I said, Lord, take me downtown,
I'm just lookin' for some tush.

Take me back way back home,
not by myself, not alone.
I ain't askin' for much.
I said, Lord, take me downtown,
I'm just lookin' for some tush.

[Stevo]

[QUOTE=Mark Dunn]Selective reading I see. Try PB comparos in Aug and Oct 04. Six out of the six testers (Oct) picked the Blade over the other 1000s including the MV. The test covered road and track use. Then there's RIDE's public survey of 10,000 UK bikers who picked ... try and guess. The journos can't agree so why should we.
QUOTE]

The one conclusion I drew from PB article was that generally speaking the Japper bikes are that similar that it really comes down to personal preference. But of course the Honda is always better! :msn-wink: :msn-wink: :msn-wink: :msn-wink:
That article did not inspire one to go out and spend your fortune on the MV Agusta though did it MD?

[Hooks]

I been up, I been down.
Take my word, my way around.
I ain't askin' for much.
I said, Lord, take me downtown,
I'm just lookin' for some tush.

I been bad, I been good,
Dallas, Texas, Hollywood.
I ain't askin' for much.
I said, Lord, take me downtown,
I'm just lookin' for some tush.

Take me back way back home,
not by myself, not alone.
I ain't askin' for much.
I said, Lord, take me downtown,
I'm just lookin' for some tush.


AAAAhhhhh the great ZZ Top !!!

:Punk: :Punk: :Punk: :Punk: :Punk:

[Biff]

The reason why CBR's are so common in the UK is that they are brilliant bikes - and yes I have owned one. I've also been lucky enough to have been able to "look after" : :whistle: a mates Gixxer 1000 while he went back to Europe for a month. Both bikes are great fun, but the Gixxer has a more edge of the seat riding style about it and not the most comfortable for any great distance. The CBR gets my vote though as its an easier more comfortable bike to live with. But if it's balls out speed tou want then the Gixxer is the one to choose.

Me - I ride a Blackbird, very fast if you want it to be, sedate and calm when you don't, brilliant for pillions and very easy to handle despite its size.

Worlds best touring bikes?

1. VFR
2. Blackbird
3. ZZR1200
4. FJR1300

[Hooks]

Right you lot !!!! ....... :Pokey: :Pokey: :Pokey:
<_<
:bash:
:sly:

I am not and never will be contemplating changing my ride !! I love my old bitch :love: and find that she still, some almost 20 years after manufacture, does what I like a bike to do !! With new rubber she still handles brilliantly even at speed, although I don't ride as hard as I used to...(too many responsibilities now !!) With a good tune up, which she needs badly ....and will be happening real soon .... she can still get up and bark when I ask and on the longer rides the position and comfort level are great. Wet or dry the conditions are irrelevant !! I still have this bike because it does what I want in all areas and fits me like a glove. It's not flash or new but it is all I need to enjoy being on 2 wheels ... and given the chance later in the year when I have finally got myself some decent riding gear ( 14 years off and nothing fits WTF ???) I will get the bitch out on the track and have a go at pushing it to see who's lost it the most ...her or me !!! ....I'm picking me !!

SO there ..... :done:

Then again if I win lotto this weekend..... one of each of the above mentioned would look bloody nice in the gargre !!! ...... :bleh:

[White trash]

but for some reason dad doesnt like honda's

Your dad's a smart man, M/Hooks. Listen to him and you'll go far.

[inlinefour]

Honda, that has no bearing whatsoever on road bike performance/comfort/user-friendeness. Apples with apples.

The 2005 Honda CBR1000RR is being raced by a small team with "no preformance upgrades" as stated by the team boss. I had the fortune to watch on Sky. Not only is it doing pretty well, but its a standard bike that is keeping up with the fully worked Ducatis from the big teams. So before anyone else continues to slag off the 2005 CBR1000RR it would be helpfull to look at all the facts and in fact not believe all that is published as the CBR racing in the superbike racing is appartently the same as can be purchased in the local Honda dealerships. Its cool to prefer one over the other, but those saying the Suzuki is better need to read the true facts before getting rather opinionated as it just shows that some are wrong here :crybaby:

[White trash]

Does no one here watch the world superbikes or what? Chris Venmulan(sp) springs to my mind, and where are the other jappos in the pack? Oh thats right um, er ahh, I think they are there somewhere aint they? :confused:

I watch WSB indeed. I also watch the test sessions.

Troy Corser went 1.5 secs faster than Laconi, 2 secs faster than Toseland and 2.1 secs faster than Vermulen on Lavillas 2 season old Gixxer.

Matt Mladin is already 1.5 seconds faster than any other AMA Superbike rider at the Daytona tyre test after only one day on a completely untested and developed new model Gixxer.

I don't have to tell you that he's also won the past 2 years on the trot on a Gixxer 1k and 5 in total, all on GSXRs.

But I will tell you that.

[Hooks]

I watch WSB indeed. I also watch the test sessions.

Troy Corser went 1.5 secs faster than Laconi, 2 secs faster than Toseland and 2.1 secs faster than Vermulen on Lavillas 2 season old Gixxer.

Matt Mladin is already 1.5 seconds faster than any other AMA Superbike rider at the Daytona tyre test after only one day on a completely untested and developed new model Gixxer.

I don't have to tell you that he's also won the past 2 years on the trot on a Gixxer 1k and 5 in total, all on GSXRs.

But I will tell you that.

Well said that man .... :2guns: :apint: now where is that no-good son of mine .... it's learnin' time again .... :Pokey: :kick:

[inlinefour]

with a high budget and many higher preformance bikes. But what you say does not stack up with the last season, mostly Ducati winning. Perhaps when Chris V is recognised for the top rider he is may the CBR get the work done to it so that it may go faster and leave the rest behind :2thumbsup

[White trash]

with a high budget and many higher preformance bikes. But what you say does not stack up with the last season, mostly Ducati winning. Perhaps when Chris V is recognised for the top rider he is may the CBR get the work done to it so that it may go faster and leave the rest behind :2thumbsup

Japanese factory support is back in WSB for 2005 so it'll be a stella year. Specialy with Suzuki doing all the winning. :kick:

[inlinefour]

Japanese factory support is back in WSB for 2005 so it'll be a stella year. Specialy with Suzuki doing all the winning. :kick:

We will see...

[Hooks]

Japanese factory support is back in WSB for 2005 so it'll be a stella year. Specialy with Suzuki doing all the winning. :kick:

All I got to do now is fix my aerial so that I can get Prime !!! and then sit backand watch it all on the big screen !! in surround-sound !! Woo hoo :headbang:

[inlinefour]

you will miss out on alot of live racing without digital :Oops:

[MSTRS]

The 2005 Honda CBR1000RR is being raced by a small team with "no preformance upgrades" as stated by the team boss. I had the fortune to watch on Sky. Not only is it doing pretty well, but its a standard bike that is keeping up with the fully worked Ducatis from the big teams. So before anyone else continues to slag off the 2005 CBR1000RR it would be helpfull to look at all the facts and in fact not believe all that is published as the CBR racing in the superbike racing is appartently the same as can be purchased in the local Honda dealerships. Its cool to prefer one over the other, but those saying the Suzuki is better need to read the true facts before getting rather opinionated as it just shows that some are wrong here :crybaby:
A man convinced against his will, is unconvinced still :moon:

[Blakamin]

All I got to do now is fix my aerial so that I can get Prime !!! and then sit backand watch it all on the big screen !! in surround-sound !! Woo hoo :headbang:
is WSB gunna be on prime??? :2thumbsup :2thumbsup

[MD]

[QUOTE=Mark Dunn]Selective reading I see. Try PB comparos in Aug and Oct 04. Six out of the six testers (Oct) picked the Blade over the other 1000s including the MV. The test covered road and track use. Then there's RIDE's public survey of 10,000 UK bikers who picked ... try and guess. The journos can't agree so why should we.
QUOTE]

The one conclusion I drew from PB article was that generally speaking the Japper bikes are that similar that it really comes down to personal preference. But of course the Honda is always better! :msn-wink: :msn-wink: :msn-wink: :msn-wink:
That article did not inspire one to go out and spend your fortune on the MV Agusta though did it MD?
Exactly Stevo. Their impression of the MV flys in the face of most views but as they said maybe they got a lemon. I've had the pleasure of a long ride on the MV1000 and seat of the pants it's got more get up and go than the Honda (and R1 & ZX10 I'd say) firmer seat, puts you in more of a racer position and too firm suspension for my liking but that's what the adjustments are for so I'm sceptical of all mag reviews- especially FB who seem to rubbish everything they get on, prats (I stopped buying FB because of their negative attitudes).
Buy what you like and like what you buy (hey, that sounds profound, can I get a patent on it?) MD
ps- the MV owner's ridden a few Gixxers and thinks they rock, so there, that puts the universe back into balance

[mini_hooks_]

you will miss out on alot of live racing without digital :Oops:

yea but he's just a poor solo dad... :lol:

[mini_hooks_]

is WSB gunna be on prime??? :2thumbsup :2thumbsup

yep i think all the races are on prime...i am not to sure tho...

[MSTRS]

is WSB gunna be on prime??? :2thumbsup :2thumbsup
Why can't they be on television like normal shows.... :baby:

[betti]

what do i need to do to my "aerials" to get prime eh eh eh ???
come on help out a stuck pom :shit:
cant be missin any racin!

[MSTRS]

You need a UHF aerial to get a good picture

[Ghost Lemur]

Just to mix it up...

honda, WT - Can you guys tell me what brand was under the MotoGP champion last year?

Yummy yummy Yamaha.

[mini_hooks_]

what do i need to do to my "aerials" to get prime eh eh eh ???
come on help out a stuck pom :shit:
cant be missin any racin!

you can come and get me and i will do it for you if you want the same house as the new years partay...

[betti]

nice one mini, I'll be round as soon as the bike gets here! :Punk:

[Biff]

what do i need to do to my "aerials" to get prime eh eh eh ???
come on help out a stuck pom :shit:
cant be missin any racin!

betti - some advice from one pom to another - don't waste your time, get sky, it's just as shite but at least you can get the watch the odd (odd as in occasional not weird) bit of soft porn

[mini_hooks_]

nice one mini, I'll be round as soon as the bike gets here! :Punk:

sounds good, when will that be???

[betti]

jan 25th the boat is due, so i reckon a couple of days to get rego and wof and i'll be mobile!

[mini_hooks_]

betti - some advice from one pom to another - don't waste your time, get sky, it's just as shite but at least you can get the watch the odd (odd as in occasional not weird) bit of soft porn

yes...that is true but you have to pay for that little bit of soft core porn, so whats the point?... just watch c4 after midnight!!! :killingme :eek:

[mini_hooks_]

jan 25th the boat is due, so i reckon a couple of days to get rego and wof and i'll be mobile!

yahooooooooooo!!!!!
:Punk: :Punk: :Punk: :Punk: :Punk:

[betti]

betti - some advice from one pom to another - don't waste your time, get sky, it's just as shite but at least you can get the watch the odd (odd as in occasional not weird) bit of soft porn

thanx for the advice mate, i'll stick with prime, and go for the strip clubs for soft porn! :devil2:
cheerz

[bungbung]

yahooooooooooo!!!!!
:Punk: :Punk: :Punk: :Punk: :Punk:

You're getting a bit ahead of yourself there lad,

Do you realise that betti's bike is a big (bigger-than-yer-dad's), old (older-than-yer-dad's) suzuki don't you?

[betti]

yep, that is correct, but it has been meddled with :devil2:

mwoahahahaaaa!!!

[mini_hooks_]

You're getting a bit ahead of yourself there lad,

Do you realise that betti's bike is a big (bigger-than-yer-dad's), old (older-than-yer-dad's) suzuki don't you?

katana's beat anything!!! i dont care if they are old...and it has been ported and polished and is a show bike so there for it is better than dads bike by far... :ar15: :Punk: :Punk: :Punk:

[betti]

the cash is in the post mini ... :niceone:

[inlinefour]

SBK World Superbike 2004 season.

:o No where was the Suzuki famed for much about nothing...

:shit: Yamaha had a few good crash scenes.

:Punk: Honda gave an attempt to get amonst it all until a crash and breakdowns finished that :angry2:

:confused2 Ducati was everywhere with different teams :confused:

So unless there is another World Superbike Championship, what are yer all on about? :confused:

[White trash]

Just to mix it up...

honda, WT - Can you guys tell me what brand was under the MotoGP champion last year?

Yummy yummy Yamaha.

Cool! Why don't ya go and buy one even vaugly similar?

[WINJA]

Selective reading I see. Try PB comparos in Aug and Oct 04. Six out of the six testers (Oct) picked the Blade over the other 1000s including the MV. The test covered road and track use. Then there's RIDE's public survey of 10,000 UK bikers who picked ... try and guess. The journos can't agree so why should we.
Blades retail at $20,900 by the way. Hey who cares, if I still had one of my SL125s I'd argue that it's the best bike around. H
Anyway WINJA are you going to come to any track days at Manfeild? I can't make the 15 Jan but want to get a day in soon.
HAS PB EVEN GOT ANYONE LEFT THAT CAN RIDE? I THOUGHT ALL THEIR GOOD RIDERS WERE DEAD OR RETIRED.I STILL DONT THINK THAT SPANISH TEST WOULD BE BIASED THE RESULT PUT THE ZX 10 FIRST AND THE BLADE LAST , NO BULLSHIT JUST FACTS BTW I THINK I WOULD GET THE ZX10 OVER MY BIKE IM A KWAKA FAN ITS JUST IN 01,02,03 THEY HAD NOTHING TO OFFER SO I BOUGHT SUZUKI'S.AND NO I WONT BE THERE FOR A TRACK DAY IVE DONE ENOUGH TRACK DAYS AND RACE DAYS , DONT WORRY THOUGH I CAN HOLD MY OWN AGAINST ANYONE ON THE ROAD EVEN WHEN IM RIDING A SLOW SHITTER

[Coyote]

katana's beat anything!!! i dont care if they are old...and it has been ported and polished and is a show bike so there for it is better than dads bike by far... :ar15: :Punk: :Punk: :Punk:
I was about to get the Katana 250. But the CBR came up, so we went for that :niceone:

[betti]

good job u avoided the 250 kat, they lead to an addiction and you have to collect one of all of 'em :wacko:

[inlinefour]

Cool! Why don't ya go and buy one even vaugly similar?

No good changing the topic once the point has been made :stupid:

[mini_hooks_]

good job u avoided the 250 kat, they lead to an addiction and you have to collect one of all of 'em :wacko:

I will quite happily get addicted to the katana's but would much rather your one betti..... :scooter: :headbang:

[mini_hooks_]

finally...i have an astounding 80 posts...yay :2thumbsup :yeah:

[WINJA]

finally...i have an astounding 80 posts...yay :2thumbsup :yeah:
WELL YOU HAVE TOO MUCH TIME ON YOUR HANDS . AT YOUR AGE I HAD 2 JOBS AND HAD TO GET UP AND 4AM AND MILK THE COW, I THEN HAD TO WALK TO THE COAL MINES ON A GRAVEL ROAD WEARING NO SHOES IN WINTER STANDING IN COW DUNG TO KEEP MY FEET WARM, IT WAS UP HILL BOTH WAYS WITH A SACK OF COAL ON EACH SHOULDER THERE AND BACK. THEN I HAD TO GO TO MY SECOND JOB CLEANING MILK BOTTLES . I WOULD USUALLY GET TO BED AT 3.45 AM . KIDS TODAY SO LUCKY WITH ELECTRICITY AND THE INTERNET AND ALL SOOOOOOOOO LUCKY

[Firefight]

finally...i have an astounding 80 posts...yay :2thumbsup :yeah:

gosh, congrats, yes well done, if you reply to my reply, you will get another one.

F/F :innocent:

[gav]

SBK World Superbike 2004 season.

:o No where was the Suzuki famed for much about nothing...

:shit: Yamaha had a few good crash scenes.

:Punk: Honda gave an attempt to get amonst it all until a crash and breakdowns finished that :angry2:

:confused2 Ducati was everywhere with different teams :confused:

So unless there is another World Superbike Championship, what are yer all on about? :confused:
You do realise that for 2004 most factories boycotted World Superbike after numerous rule changes and the introduction of Pirelli tyres? Hence no official factory Suzuki, Honda, Kawasaki or Yamaha teams entered. Surely you must have noticed this???
:wacko:
Thats why I posted about the other Superbike championships where the other teams apart from Ducati were racing, like the British, AMA and NZ scene, not sure who won in Japan. Only Australia had the CBR1000RR winning......
However this year 2005 should be an awesome year for WSBK. Suzuki are back with Troy Corser and Yuki Kajayama (who has been racing in the UK) Yamaha are back with Nori Haga, Sebastian Gimbert and Norifumi Abe.
Honda look to have two Ten Kate bikes plus Frankie Chilli and looks like Ben Bostrom will be CBR mounted.

[inlinefour]

You do realise that for 2004 most factories boycotted World Superbike after numerous rule changes and the introduction of Pirelli tyres? Hence no official factory Suzuki, Honda, Kawasaki or Yamaha teams entered. Surely you must have noticed this???
:wacko:
Thats why I posted about the other Superbike championships where the other teams apart from Ducati were racing, like the British, AMA and NZ scene, not sure who won in Japan. Only Australia had the CBR1000RR winning......
However this year 2005 should be an awesome year for WSBK. Suzuki are back with Troy Corser and Yuki Kajayama (who has been racing in the UK) Yamaha are back with Nori Haga, Sebastian Gimbert and Norifumi Abe.
Honda look to have two Ten Kate bikes plus Frankie Chilli and looks like Ben Bostrom will be CBR mounted.

Your quite right, it'll be an awesome year :msn-wink:

[WINJA]

Your quite right, it'll be an awesome year :msn-wink:
IM REALLY GOING TO ENJOY OUR NATIONAL SERIES , ITS GOOD TO SEE MORE THAN ONE BRAND OF BIKE ON THE PODIUM. IF YOU CAN YOU SHOULD ALL GO AND SUPPORT NZ'S BEST GOING FLAT OUT

[mini_hooks_]

gosh, congrats, yes well done, if you reply to my reply, you will get another one.

F/F :innocent:there you go i replyed to your reply so can you reply to my reply so i can reply to your reply to my reply so i can get more posts :killingme :niceone: :2thumbsup :banana: ......

[inlinefour]

IM REALLY GOING TO ENJOY OUR NATIONAL SERIES , ITS GOOD TO SEE MORE THAN ONE BRAND OF BIKE ON THE PODIUM. IF YOU CAN YOU SHOULD ALL GO AND SUPPORT NZ'S BEST GOING FLAT OUT

Your quite right there and depending on what shift I'm doing I'll be trying to be there :headbang:

[mini_hooks_]

IM REALLY GOING TO ENJOY OUR NATIONAL SERIES , ITS GOOD TO SEE MORE THAN ONE BRAND OF BIKE ON THE PODIUM. IF YOU CAN YOU SHOULD ALL GO AND SUPPORT NZ'S BEST GOING FLAT OUT

stop shouting!!!!! :shutup: :crazy: :angry2:

[mini_hooks_]

WELL YOU HAVE TOO MUCH TIME ON YOUR HANDS . AT YOUR AGE I HAD 2 JOBS AND HAD TO GET UP AND 4AM AND MILK THE COW, I THEN HAD TO WALK TO THE COAL MINES ON A GRAVEL ROAD WEARING NO SHOES IN WINTER STANDING IN COW DUNG TO KEEP MY FEET WARM, IT WAS UP HILL BOTH WAYS WITH A SACK OF COAL ON EACH SHOULDER THERE AND BACK. THEN I HAD TO GO TO MY SECOND JOB CLEANING MILK BOTTLES . I WOULD USUALLY GET TO BED AT 3.45 AM . KIDS TODAY SO LUCKY WITH ELECTRICITY AND THE INTERNET AND ALL SOOOOOOOOO LUCKY

mate...i have a job and i can afford to find my own way around life and still have time to play 54 holes of golf and still spend time on here, and thats a week so it just goes to show that when you were a kid you were not working hard enough to make time to do the things you desired...and really, i dont care what YOU think... :doobey: :finger:

[inlinefour]

mate...i have a job and i can afford to find my own way around life and still have time to play 54 holes of golf and still spend time on here, and thats a week so it just goes to show that when you were a kid you were not working hard enough to make time to do the things you desired...and really, i dont care what YOU think... :doobey: :finger:

Yep I spent 3 years doing the student thing and now that I've done the degree I can afford the whatever I want and whatever the misses says. She says that once we have paid our last debt off that I will be getting the Fireblade :rockon:

[RiderInBlack]

OK here's my Fifty cent for what it is worth.

Having owned both a 1990 VFR750 (Verronica) and a 1990 CBR1000FL (Roxanne), the feed back from my pillions favour the CBR. Both bike were made mainly with Touring in mind. The VFR was better as an all-rounder. Better on the track, better commuting in heavy inner city traffic, but "Roxanne" rules went it comes to doing the distances and taking pillions.
Pure Race bikes like the Fireblade and the Gixxer were never made with pillions in mind so it is not fair the compare them on that.
Gixxer have had it their own way in Kiwi Racing for too long. This is probably because we could not afford to race anything else and the sponsership was not there. This season with see Gixxers really challanged in NZ as top riders will be competing on RI's, CBR1000RR, as well as the Gixxer's. The results are going to be interesting. I'm looking forward to The John Bitten Mem this year as it will see some truely SuperBike clashs. At the end of the day, when you are talking about racing, these bikes are all top bikes. The winner will be decided by who has the best rider with the best support team (as shown by Rossi), not which one of these brands the bike they are riding is.

PS: I am dissappoint the Honda has not put out a new version of my CBR1000FL as this bike is a good sports tourer and as such (in my oppion) is better suited for the masses. Racing is for the track, not the road.

[gav]

OK here's my Fifty cent for what it is worth.

Having owned both a 1990 VFR750 (Verronica) and a 1990 CBR1000FL (Roxanne), the feed back from my pillions favour the CBR. Both bike were made mainly with Touring in mind. The VFR was better as an all-rounder. Better on the track, better commuting in heavy inner city traffic, but "Roxanne" rules went it comes to doing the distances and taking pillions.
Pure Race bikes like the Fireblade and the Gixxer were never made with pillions in mind so it is not fair the compare them on that.
Gixxer have had it their own way in Kiwi Racing for too long. This is probably because we could not afford to race anything else and the sponsership was not there. This season with see Gixxers really challanged in NZ as top riders will be competing on RI's, CBR1000RR, as well as the Gixxer's. The results are going to be interesting. I'm looking forward to The John Bitten Mem this year as it will see some truely SuperBike clashs. At the end of the day, when you are talking about racing, these bikes are all top bikes. The winner will be decided by who has the best rider with the best support team (as shown by Rossi), not which one of these brands the bike they are riding is.

PS: I am dissappoint the Honda has not put out a new version of my CBR1000FL as this bike is a good sports tourer and as such (in my oppion) is better suited for the masses. Racing is for the track, not the road.

What about the Honda CBR1100XX Blackbird, surely this was the replacement for the CBR1000F?
Blue Wing Honda with Castrol sponsership have had a crack at the NZ Superbike title before as has Tony Rees racing a Yamaha for a number of years now? It hasnt been solely Suzuki racing, just Suzuki winning!!!

[inlinefour]

As I wont have a pilion then the Fireblade just gets better :bleh:

[Sensei]

Honda where do you ride round in the Naki never seen ya. How about turning up for some of the Energy Honda Pie/pint ride's every 2nd Thursday 6pm . Or drop me aline & come for a blast :mobile: ..
SENSEI

[gav]

The closest thing to racing at the moment is the Daytona tyre test sessions.
These are the final test results.

The final day of the Daytona tire test ended with Suzuki rider Ben Spies posting the fastest time of the test.

Superbike lap times:

1. Ben Spies, Suzuki, 1:39.701
2. Mat Mladin, Suzuki, 1:40.309
3. Neil Hodgson, Ducati, 1:40.711
4. Aaron Yates, Suzuki, 1:40.820
5. Miguel DuHamel, Honda, 1:41.206
6. Jake Zemke, Honda, 1:41.295
7. Eric Bostrom, Ducati, 1:42.003