Has anyone's radar detector ever failed them? [Archive]

jrandom

8th July 2008, 16:20

After not one but two dumbarse chickenshit speeding tickets on the weekend from Highway Patrol boys trawlin' the straights on the Napier-Taupo road with their radars on (I know because I asked) I've decided to bite the bullet and get a radar detector.

I can pinch the budget real hard and pay $900 new, plus a screamer and cost of installation, for the radar detector du jour, the Beltronics STi (or $660-ish plus the hassle of getting it back from the USA), or I can look for something cheaper and/or secondhand from one of the reputable brands, like the Beltronics RX65, a model which I've been assured is 'pretty good'.

Frankly, if it wasn't for the demerit points angle, I wouldn't consider a $1,000-ish radar detector worth the hassle. A grand pays a lot of speeding tickets.

However, I'm about to endure a three-month licence suspension and don't want to endure another one in the future. You can't put a dollar value on not having to use the pushbike every day.

Now, I know that plenty of you have had good experiences with radar detectors. My question is, though, have any of you ever had a radar detector, of any brand, fail to save you from a ticket?

If so, what were the circumstances, and do you think a more expensive model might have saved your arse where the one you had didn't?

PS: A certain KBer fuckin' well owes me about ten pints, and they know who they are.

<_<

kiwifruit

8th July 2008, 16:47

just slow down.

robertydog

8th July 2008, 16:51

Ive got a Bell sti. And no it hasnt let me down. Yet

jrandom

8th July 2008, 16:52

slow down.

I have reported your post as off-topic.

Morcs

8th July 2008, 16:52

Radar hasnt failed me.

Of course it only works effectively against the wankers who have their radar guns operating almost constantly, so you can pick them up a mile off.

Or If you are going sooo fast that when the radar goes off, and a split second later a cop comes over the hill up ahead... but thats another story. The radar didnt let me down then either.

Highly recommende a whistler cruisader. Picks up every cop that Raj does with his valentine1 (though not quite as early), and its waterproof, and you dont need to remove it from an ugly tank mount everytime you leave your bike...

kiwifruit

8th July 2008, 16:52

My RX65 never failed to pick up mr plod with his thingie turned on. Most of them don't turn their thingie on until they see a vehicle. Eyeometers work better.

Just slow down :yes:

I'll send you that screamer unit i have spare

jrandom

8th July 2008, 16:57

Of course it only works effectively against the wankers who have their radar guns operating almost constantly, so you can pick them up a mile off.

That's fine - my recent series of ridiculously avoidable little speeding tickets were all due to that scenario.

One time coming round a corner up Albany hill.

One time over a crest toward that long bridge over the big chasm heading through the hills toward Napier.

And then again, two days later, on the plains headed toward Taupo, riding over a crest into the setting sun and low forward visibility.

I used to think I could trust my eyeometer, but as stated in the OP, I have decided to admit imperfection and rely on technology.

Here's another question: given the presumably-ideal situation of two vehicles headed directly toward each other at constant speeds, does anyone know how long the police radars take to lock onto the oncoming vehicle's speed once turned on?

sinfull

8th July 2008, 16:58

Only ever tried the V1 and swear by it $1000 brand new with hard set up ! Sure i'm walking now for the next 3 months, but like you i waited till i was up in demerits b4 doing sommit about it !
Was more a case of avoiding getting stopped and them taking it on the side of the road in the middle of nowhere !

johan

8th July 2008, 16:58

I use one in my car, they work very well for radar. The laser detector is probably not working very well.

jrandom

8th July 2008, 16:59

I'll send you that screamer unit i have spare

:hug:<tencharacters>

bikerboy011

8th July 2008, 17:03

jrandom

8th July 2008, 17:04

Was more a case of avoiding getting stopped and them taking it on the side of the road in the middle of nowhere !

Well, yeah; I have no difficulty staying below 140 when I'm on State Highways and just risking tickets rather than a roadside suspension, but I'm doing a fair few cross-country miles these days, and my occasional slipups are nickel-and-diming my licence to death.

Morcs

8th July 2008, 17:05

That's fine - my recent series of ridiculously avoidable little speeding tickets were all due to that scenario.

One time coming round a corner up Albany hill.

One time over a crest toward that long bridge over the big chasm heading through the hills toward Napier.

And then again, two days later, on the plains headed toward Taupo, riding over a crest into the setting sun and low forward visibility.

I used to think I could trust my eyeometer, but as stated in the OP, I have decided to admit imperfection and rely on technology.

Here's another question: given the presumably-ideal situation of two vehicles headed directly toward each other at constant speeds, does anyone know how long the police radars take to lock onto the oncoming vehicle's speed once turned on?

heres the equations: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/sound/radar.html

my general rule of thumb, is that if you can see the cop, he can see you. if at that time he is bouncing radar off you, and you are speeding, all you can do is reduce your speed and pray...

if a laser gets you. they have you. simple.
but there are only something like 14 laser guns in the entire country.

Same with Instant on (Pop radar) if they ping you, you are fucked.

see the radar FAQ: http://pages.quicksilver.net.nz/geoffm/radar/Radarfaq.htm

jrandom

8th July 2008, 17:09

my general rule of thumb, is that if you can see the cop, he can see you. if at that time he is bouncing radar off you, and you are speeding, all you can do is reduce your speed and pray...

Yeah, I'm well aware that theoretically, all it takes is a single Doppler pulse return to detect speed.

However, I'm wondering what the practical limits of the system the cops use are, given that they have to get a speed 'locked in'. Do they have to fumble around and push a button? Does the system discard any speed that remains constant for less than 500 milliseconds? Et cetera, et cetera.

see the radar FAQ

Good link. Ta.

saul

8th July 2008, 17:09

My RX65 never failed to pick up a cooper with his thingie turned on. Most of them don't turn their thingie on until they see a vehicle. Eyeometers work better.

Just slow down :yes:

I'll send you that screamer unit i have spare

Yep agree totaly just slow down.:dodge:

Fruity send that screamer to me:hug:

Ps my escort has been fantastic but I always use me eyes with it, apart from the other day when I did something naughty :girlfight:past a policeman which made the heart race a bit, but we all tootled off:hug:.

avgas

8th July 2008, 17:12

Have never had the Uniden SWS5000 not tell me that a cop had radar lock, or that a camera is looking at me........but it has been a bit slow to tell me on 2 occasions. Still it was enough to get under the +50kph limit in time

rainman

8th July 2008, 17:17

just slow down.

Or buy a cruiser.... :whistle:

johan

8th July 2008, 17:19

The Stalker Dual radar the police uses here gives the operator two readings, one for the fastest target and one for the stronger target. I have to remember to look at both numbers if I get pulled over.

http://www.stalkerradar.com/big_images/dual_faceplate.jpg

sinfull

8th July 2008, 17:21

So the V1 isnt any good as i was thinking of getting one.
No i recon they are one of the better ones ! (have'nt tried any others but did a little bit of homework)

Well, yeah; I have no difficulty staying below 140 when I'm on State Highways and just risking tickets rather than a roadside suspension, but I'm doing a fair few cross-country miles these days, and my occasional slipups are nickel-and-diming my licence to death.

Yep and them nickle and dimes add up to a bloody long walk ! My arse is killing me from this push bike saddle !

LoC

8th July 2008, 17:21

Works best using suv's (or other traffic) as human sheilds as you can see pc plod pinging them with instant on!.
I have a bank of l.e.ds (mounted between dash and screen) that give me arc eyes even on a bright summers day and must look like a mobile disco at night! for warning as I use an ipod alot when cruzin plus the amount of batteries I have bought through flattening my hard unit was gettin rediculous.
The only flaw it seems to have is it laser alerts when ever looking directly into the sun, but this maybe because of my tinted screen, not always but enough to be a pain.
They must be good no demerits or fines since I got it.
Radar $460 Bracket $180 H.A.R.D $300 I think!, and leds $80 + Hardwire $25 Rain cover $25 and 3 trips to the sparky to get it runnin right.

Mikkel

8th July 2008, 17:25

I can vouch for the STi! It's good, real good in fact - plus it's also a passive device. So, if they decide to ban radar detectors in 5 years you just hide it somewhere and they can not detect it.
Hardly any false alarms and it's very sensitive - you shouldn't get done by mobile speed cameras with this baby.

However, there are of course circumstances where nothing will save your arse. Travelling on a straight towards a mufty equipped with instant-on-radar - and no traffic in front of you = screwed!

I got a speeding ticket by coming up over a hillcrest a tad too fast. On the other side of the crest was a 300 meter straight and then another hill. As I came over the top a highway patrol car was coming down the next hill. The radar detector went off at the same time my foot hit the brake - but alas, too late. Got done for 18 km/h over - and as such I was lucky since I'd been sitting in the 25-35 km/h above segment the entire way from Queenstown and we were only 10 kms out of Te Anau.
I'm guessing that the terrain combined with low traffic density meant that he hadn't pinged enough other cars for a signal to slip through the hills.

I use one in my car, they work very well for radar. The laser detector is probably not working very well.

Laser detection doesn't matter. The laser cone is so narrow and the signal doesn't bounce around like radar does - as such you can't get a detector that will pick-up laser until it's actually hitting you and it's too late.

oldrider

8th July 2008, 18:09

I can vouch for the STi! It's good, real good in fact - plus it's also a passive device. So, if they decide to ban radar detectors in 5 years you just hide it somewhere and they can not detect it.

I thought they had decided on that (Making them illegal) and it was to be made law at anytime soon!

They (?) also said it would be an offence to own one, unless purchased prior to the law change.

On the other hand, if you could prove purchase prior to the law change, it was only an offence if you were actually caught using it!

I have been wondering about completely concealed detectors but understand that Police can tell that you are using it anyway. :doh:

Of course it is only required to protect against being caught during one of those little "accidental indiscretions" rather than "deliberately speeding". :innocent: John.

marty

8th July 2008, 18:43

they can tell you have one only because ypur speed drops quickly for 'no reason' when you are tracked.

and jR - the time taken to track/lock is the time it takes to push the same button on the cordless remote, twice. a big truck or car will create a bigger target, so the track is quicker than a bike, but a large bike has a large signal, so i would say given ideal conditions, about 2 second delay from standby, to tracking tone, to locking on.

sAsLEX

8th July 2008, 18:51

Radar hasnt failed me.

Of course it only works effectively against the wankers who have their radar guns operating almost constantly, so you can pick them up a mile off.

Or if Morcs is in front of you :clap:

Mom

8th July 2008, 19:06

I'm doing a fair few cross-country miles these days, and my occasional slipups are nickel-and-diming my licence to death.

And they are the ones that will bite you big time. Here speaketh a serial speeder. While I never got even remotely close to walking by demerit (apparently my eyedometer functions really well), I most defiantely put my ability to drive legally on the line every single time I went out.

I have a sick Mom in Thames, I make that trip along those incredibly boring straights from time to time as you can imagine. I used to do them at *cough* ton + (in miles)*cough* speeds really regularly at times she has been really sick.

I got done for 130, lucky you had slowed down as we originally got you at 140 dollars and demerits. Then I got copped for a slightly lesser speed and a few more points to boot.

I thought about it. Now I am nana personified anywhere that I am likely to get a ticket! Interestingly enough I still manage to get places in good time.

Just my boring old input. BTW I have a really good radar dectector in the car...it has worked so far!

doc

8th July 2008, 19:12

Its getting harder now they are onto using lasers on tripods with the mufti parked off the road. I think its time "ya picked ya place to give it a bit of a fang." Of course you have to take the consequences as well. They have more to spend on R and D. You are even going to get demerits for having a detector. My next one has me walking and probably out of a job. :eek:

xgnr

8th July 2008, 19:14

Highly recommende a whistler cruisader. Picks up every cop that Raj does with his valentine1 (though not quite as early), and its waterproof, and you dont need to remove it from an ugly tank mount everytime you leave your bike...

Second that...

sAsLEX

8th July 2008, 19:14

I thought about it. Now I am nana personified anywhere that I am likely to get a ticket! Interestingly enough I still manage to get places in good time.

Average speed here hasn't dropped but don't speed too much in the cop zones.

Budget a rain cover their Jr, they don't swim too well...... that was one expensive lesson.

RiderInBlack

8th July 2008, 19:17

My question is, though, have any of you ever had a radar detector, of any brand, fail to save you from a ticket?

If so, what were the circumstances, and do you think a more expensive model might have saved your arse where the one you had didn't?"POP"ed at 116kph on SH16. My Escort Passport 8500 X50 didn't even blip. He was behind 3 cars coming over a brow. He flicked his radar on and off very quickly (according ta him), so I'd didn't even think I had been had. He also turned around when I couldn't see him and snuck up on me before turning on his "disco" lights.
Have since put the Passport on "POP" mode but still think I would have got caught out on that one. Should have assumed that he was going ta turn and taken a side road when I had had the option.
Radar Detectors are not fool-proof. Only use them as a guide. Only a fool relies on them totally IMHO.

RiderInBlack

8th July 2008, 19:32

Average speed here hasn't dropped but don't speed too much in the cop zones.

Budget a rain cover their Jr, they don't swim too well...... that was one expensive lesson.Have 3M'ed mine. Seems ta keep it dry enough.

cs363

8th July 2008, 19:37

Agree with Rider in Black, radar detectors are definitely not the licence to speed that some people appear to think they are. What they are good for is an extra pair of eyes that are constantly on (think how many tickets you have had when your day dreaming..)
It is possible to detect laser with a good detector, however what you will detect are the fragmented beams from when the laser is being aimed at other vehicles - if you are close range and in the beam you are screwed.
The cops can tell if you are using (some) detectors with radar detector- detectors built into their radar units (VG2 technology), though most top end detectors have anti-VG2 technology so in theory are undetectable. As far as I am aware NZ police do not have VG2 at this time.
Valentine's site (http://www.valentine1.com/home.asp) has loys of really good info regarding radar and laser and is well worth a browse, it will answer many of the questions asked here.
The best defense is of course to obey the speed limit, failing that pick your time and place and it's best not to travel at sustained high speeds.
Also, like most things in life there is no cheap fix - if you want a good detector buy the best - Valentine, Bel or Escort.
A bit of homework on the internet will back this up - time and again all these brands (despite any political leanings by magazines that may have advertising budgets on the line) these three brands are consistently rated at the top.

Macstar

8th July 2008, 19:38

You are even going to get demerits for having a detector:

Stop scaremongering. There is no law against laser jammers or radar detectors, nor is there likely to be now with the porposed law being reportedly scrapped.

cs363

8th July 2008, 19:44

Stop scaremongering. There is no law against laser jammers or radar detectors, nor is there likely to be now with the porposed law being reportedly scrapped.

Exactly what I was about to post - this was one of many proposed law changes put forward recently, but presently there has been no change - radar detectors are 100% legal as apparently are laser jammers (see Macstars post in the other thread on radar detectors)

Something to be aware of is increasingly reported cases of traffic officers not resetting the radar display and ticketing people for speeds previously recorded.
Yet another reason why every traffic ticket should be defended and go through the rigmarole of asking for the radar log book and other associated paperwork.
If nothing else you'll waste the cops day jumping through hoops, chasing paperwork and keep him off the road for a day. On the plus side if they can't present all requested paperwork to the court you are off free.

doc

8th July 2008, 19:50

Stop scaremongering. the porposed law being reportedly scrapped.

Fair enough, but their attitude is different if you have one onboard when the time comes.

Macstar

8th July 2008, 19:53

Fair enough, but their attitude is different if you have one onboard when the time comes.

Yeah, true that!

Patrick

8th July 2008, 19:58

Of course it only works effectively against the wankers who have their radar guns operating almost constantly, so you can pick them up a mile off.

That is not how most snakes do it.... on standby where there is no transmission, until they see something they like the look of, because it is low flying...

but there are only something like 14 laser guns in the entire country.

Wrong - there is one in most main towns, Auckland, Wellington and the like cities have more... Last time I looked there were more than 14 main towns in NZ....

The Stalker Dual radar the police uses here gives the operator two readings, one for the fastest target and one for the stronger target. I have to remember to look at both numbers if I get pulled over.

http://www.stalkerradar.com/big_images/dual_faceplate.jpg

If ya get pulled, the locked speed is all you will see, in the middle, in red.

they can tell you have one only because ypur speed drops quickly for 'no reason' when you are tracked.

seen them lock it up "for no reason" - a giveaway for sure....

...a large bike has a large signal, so i would say given ideal conditions, about 2 second delay from standby, to tracking tone, to locking on.

Nope - much quicker....

The cops can tell if you are using (some) detectors with radar detector- detectors built into their radar units

Not in NZ... or New Plymouth at least...

cs363

8th July 2008, 20:03

Not in NZ... or New Plymouth at least...

Which is why the whole sentence read: The cops can tell if you are using (some) detectors with radar detector- detectors built into their radar units (VG2 technology), though most top end detectors have anti-VG2 technology so in theory are undetectable. As far as I am aware NZ police do not have VG2 at this time.

Maha

8th July 2008, 20:08

And then again, two days later, on the plains headed toward Taupo, riding over a crest into the setting sun and low forward visibility.
Here's another question: given the presumably-ideal situation of two vehicles headed directly toward each other at constant speeds, does anyone know how long the police radars take to lock onto the oncoming vehicle's speed once turned on?

Ah yes, an absolute speed trap in that area, no need for a radar thingamebob, what I would do in that situation , hypothetically speaking, is let the other guy take the rap, assuming there were two of ya locked on by :Police: he only needs one, yes I would keep on going :niceone:
But what do I know, I wasn't there....:second:

cs363

8th July 2008, 20:11

Fair enough, but their attitude is different if you have one onboard when the time comes.

Agreed, which is why on the few occasions I've been pulled over (both times in the car, at marginally over the limit) I have removed the detector from the screen before coming to a stop.
More difficult on a bike I know....

Cr1MiNaL

8th July 2008, 21:21

Get a second hand V1 euro model off tardme, expect to pay $500 or thereabouts, get a H.A.R.D $350 shipped and go stealth. It will never false, if it does go off and the target is distant, assume its there. It will never false. If u've been made, ull know it and best get out of there pronto! - and no I don't advocate running, just don't wait to find out. ;)

Stormer

8th July 2008, 21:28

My Escort 8500 has saved me countless times.
Thing is though, now I`m really paranoid about riding on the open road without it.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

jrandom

8th July 2008, 21:35

hypothetically speaking, is let the other guy take the rap, assuming there were two of ya locked on by :Police: he only needs one, yes I would keep on going :niceone:

Yeah, hypothetically speaking, even when plod isn't latched onto one's own arse, one might feel that another kilometre or two of O. J. Simpson style 101kph-failure-to-stop with an increasingly-bemused snake behind you both could result in a fairly warm reception at the main intersection into town up ahead.

And one might think, fuckit, rather take the fall for a piss-arsey little ticket than some protracted legal hassle because nobody pulled over, everybody's plate got called through to comms and we all ended up in court charged with terrorism and treason or whatever it is you get charged with when you don't pull over.

:doobey:

icekiwi

8th July 2008, 21:36

I want one as well cause i'm walking for a few months too.....
Bastard radar guns!!!!

jrandom

8th July 2008, 21:45

Oh, heh. I just remembered.

"What would you have done if neither of us had stopped?", I asked the snake.

"Well, I would have arrested you both!"

I forbore to enquire how he would have managed that...

Korumba

8th July 2008, 21:59

Have 3M'ed mine. Seems ta keep it dry enough.

Is that Shields like they had on the Enterprise or Cloaking like the Klingons?

RiderInBlack

8th July 2008, 22:12

Is that Shields like they had on the Enterprise or Cloaking like the Klingons?
3M Clear covering film so more like Shields. Cloaking wouldn't keep it dry:stupid:But would be handy. Seems that most bike have a "Somebody Elses Problem Field" (HGTTG) build in to them anyway:oi-grr:

Korumba

8th July 2008, 22:15

slopster

8th July 2008, 22:18

I've been using an escort 8500 for ages. Does it ever fail me? Fuck yes - about half the time. Not the detectors fault its just that the cops leave their detectors in instant on mode and you cant pick them up till they switch them on 100m away. Fortunately that gives you a bit more time to spot them visually. In saying that it has saved my bacon many times as well. I try to avoid speeding on the main roads now though.

Korumba

8th July 2008, 23:07

So is the answer "No they have not..We have failed them."

Things are deep!! (In the deep souf)

Mikkel

8th July 2008, 23:49

cs363

8th July 2008, 23:59

As for someone deciding to brake hard all of a sudden while being pinged by a policecar - well if the radar/laser can see you, you can see the radar/laser...

Furthermore, last time I checked there wasn't a law against braking. It wouldn't tie in with the "speeding kills" policy which is the official truth these days.

Oh, while the radar detectors are legal, I don't think that the laser jammers are btw.

Speeding kills - official lie, I think you mean :)

Apparently laser jammers are legal according to Macstar (cut & pasted from the other radar detector thread -http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=77333 ):I spoke to Inspector Ron Phillips at the NZ Police HQ this morning (apparently he is the traffic police guy)...

The NZ Police confirmed that Laser Jammers are legal and there is currently no intent to ban the use of these.

He warned that the NZ insurance council is looking at using drivers with laser jammers as an escape clause for non-payment of claims.

scumdog

9th July 2008, 01:03

but a large bike has a large signal, so i would say given ideal conditions, about 2 second delay from standby, to tracking tone, to locking on.

On a slow day when I'm half asleep maybe, less than that most of the time.

Just say "blip-blip' and that's how long it takes.

And oh, jrandom, I have never had a radar detector fail - but I have a (enlarging) collection of speeding tickets of those whose radar detectors HAVE failed on them -or they had the reaction time of a drunk slater...

Swoop

9th July 2008, 09:56

My question is, though, have any of you ever had a radar detector, of any brand, fail to save you from a ticket?

If so, what were the circumstances, and do you think a more expensive model might have saved your arse where the one you had didn't?
An older version that I had (Escort) was pretty crap at picking up camera vans.
The Bel RX65 Pro paid for itself.
The Bel STi is wonderful... (MASSIVE range).

The STi is picking up cop radar over a hill, completely out of visual range. These are the benefits of getting the latest technology that can be afforded.

I I have been wondering about completely concealed detectors but understand that Police can tell that you are using it anyway.
Only the older models. The newer units (check with each manufacturer firts though) are undetectable.

enigma51

9th July 2008, 09:59

I think kiwifruit said it the best SLOW DOWN its not a racetrack! :)

Matt Bleck

9th July 2008, 10:00

The law is the law, slow down or bend over and take your punishment like a man! :D

jrandom

9th July 2008, 10:11

Just say "blip-blip' and that's how long it takes.

That's what I figured.

And that's why I'm pondering spending the dosh on a Beltronics STi, if it'll pick up scattered radar signals from behind the crests of hills, etc.

I'm all about reducing speed before the cop's bouncing a signal directly off me.

A snake diving for the button while the numbers on his radar are flipping downwards due to me braking is pretty much a worst-case scenario.

Swoop's comments on the range of the Bel STi and its ability to pick up signals that aren't necessarily line-of-sight are definitely making me feel good about that $900.

Oh, and all you exemplary law-abiding c00nts telling me to 'just slow down' are real fuckin' funny, hur de hur hur.

<_<

boomer

9th July 2008, 10:43

ARE YOU SURE YOUR SPEEDING TICKETS AREN'T FOR GOING TOO SLOW MR RANDOM..??!!

EVERY TIME IVE SEEN YOU RIDE, YOU'VE BEEN PAINFULLY SLOW!

:wari:

Crazy Steve

9th July 2008, 10:47

I had three Rx65's they all died within three months..

Bel really has some crap gear..And as for the Sti ive heard of one supplier replacing 10 units with one year..

Fck radar detectors just do runner's ! !

Crazy Steve..

Swoop

9th July 2008, 10:54

Some info... (http://radartest.com/article.asp?articleID=100542)

Matt Bleck

9th July 2008, 11:37

Oh, and all you exemplary law-abiding c00nts telling me to 'just slow down' are real fuckin' funny, hur de hur hur.

<_<

I never said I was a exemplary law-abiding c00nt bro, but I know that if I get caught speeding that "I" am the one at fault not Mr Plod.

enigma51

9th July 2008, 11:41

I never said I was a exemplary law-abiding c00nt bro, but I know that if I get caught speeding that "I" am the one at fault not Mr Plod.

What you mean its never my fault when im speeding :girlfight:

firefighter

9th July 2008, 11:44

yep a Beltronics RX65, dunno if it was a shitty (something wrong with it) one because iv'e heard others say theyr'e good, I don't speed much anyway but usually like the confidence when passing knowing i'm not going to get "pinged", all it ever seemed to pick up were cop cars about 500m away that were heading toward me on the mway, other radar detectors, doors etc (heaps of false alarms) and never ever would have given me enough warning had I needed to slow down.

Biggles2000

9th July 2008, 11:58

I have a Bell XR950. So far its been 100%. Its mounted behind the screen and I can hear it up to about 130km/hr. Not that I speed much, but I do like to know where the cops are. On the Culverden straights it picked one who was on and offing his radar 12 km away. I don't get much notice from speed cameras about 100m +_50m. In the last 2 years I have not got a speeding ticket. I was pulled up in the shanandoa area by one who asked " do you know how fast I was going" which I replied "110 before you got a lock on" and got away with it.

cs363

9th July 2008, 12:00

That's what I figured.

And that's why I'm pondering spending the dosh on a Beltronics STi, if it'll pick up scattered radar signals from behind the crests of hills, etc.

I'm all about reducing speed before the cop's bouncing a signal directly off me.

A snake diving for the button while the numbers on his radar are flipping downwards due to me braking is pretty much a worst-case scenario.

Swoop's comments on the range of the Bel STi and its ability to pick up signals that aren't necessarily line-of-sight are definitely making me feel good about that $900.

Oh, and all you exemplary law-abiding c00nts telling me to 'just slow down' are real fuckin' funny, hur de hur hur.

<_<

yep that ability to pick up scattered signals at long range/over hills etc is the thing I like about the Valentine, as well as the ability to track a number of different radar signals and their direction.
It seems fairly clear from reviewing most of the radar threads that Valentine or Bel STi are the units to buy. Early warning is everything when it comes to radar, a couple of people have said things like I've got an XYZ brand and it works fine...picks up the same signal as my mates Valentine just not as early...in my book that does not amount to working fine, that difference in range is more likely to equal a fine!

firefighter

9th July 2008, 12:03

On the Culverden straights it picked one who was on and offing his radar 12 km away.

aghummmm........:bs:

jrandom

9th July 2008, 12:05

I know that if I get caught speeding that "I" am the one at fault not Mr Plod.

Never implied I wasn't the one at fault.

My point is that I don't want to get caught. If I do, fair cop.

Fck radar detectors just do runner's ! !

Not when I've got Jody on the back, which, on long trips, is most of the time.

EVERY TIME IVE SEEN YOU RIDE, YOU'VE BEEN PAINFULLY SLOW!

Unfortunately, the Highway Patrol don't seem to share your view on that.

This all boils down to:

(a) I don't want to have to sit under 110 when travelling (I'm not talking about playtime rides on sunny days, ie, the only sort of riding boomer does - I'm talking about getting from A to B with the missus and a bunch of baggage). I like to knock time off trips and have a more involving ride by travelling at slightly higher speeds.

(b) I'm well aware that that's illegal, and when I get nicked, I take my punishment quietly.

(c) I'm also aware that I could ride entirely within the law, but all things considered, I'd prefer to be able to ride illegally and not get caught. Doing so obviously requires as much ability to detect nearby officers of the law as possible.

Terribly sorry if my lack of prevarication and hypocrisy on the subject gets anyone's knickers in a knot.

:laugh:

Morcs

9th July 2008, 12:44

They are all good but if you are not on your game you’re screwed.

One Saturday (on the way to band camp) doing 118 in an 80 km zone got a signal while passing a bus, jumped on the picks, he got me at 99 and no ticket, said it was all good passing safely etc……
Next day same cop I was doing 98 in same 80 zone, Sun strike, rain and real fucked, jumped on the brakes and he got me doing 90km in an 80km zone got a ticket $30.00 and 10 demerits .

Bell XR950 with an ipod type earphone in the helmet,

It saved me between Oamaru and Dunedin the other day in the car, Cruise Set at 125 got pinged bigtime (did not see him at all) jumped on the ABS and all good, just a dirty look!!! When I passed him.

$30 and 10 demerits? I didnt think there were penalties that small. Surely doing 19kph over the limit means you nearly killed someone and are looking at a jail sentence? maybe its just auckland...

Never implied I wasn't the one at fault.

My point is that I don't want to get caught. If I do, fair cop.

Not when I've got Jody on the back, which, on long trips, is most of the time.

Unfortunately, the Highway Patrol don't seem to share your view on that.

This all boils down to:

(a) I don't want to have to sit under 110 when travelling (I'm not talking about playtime rides on sunny days, ie, the only sort of riding boomer does - I'm talking about getting from A to B with the missus and a bunch of baggage). I like to knock time off trips and have a more involving ride by travelling at slightly higher speeds.

(b) I'm well aware that that's illegal, and when I get nicked, I take my punishment quietly.

(c) I'm also aware that I could ride entirely within the law, but all things considered, I'd prefer to be able to ride illegally and not get caught. Doing so obviously requires as much ability to detect nearby officers of the law as possible.

Terribly sorry if my lack of prevarication and hypocrisy on the subject gets anyone's knickers in a knot.

:laugh:

I totally agree. I cannot do long distance unless sat at 140 ish (or at least in the 120-140 bracket. 100 feels like walking pace, you get tired, easily distracted because of the boredom etc.. and before you know it, you DIE.

scumdog

9th July 2008, 13:10

[QUOTE=Biggles2000;1640358] On the Culverden straights it picked one who was on and offing his radar 12 km away.[QUOTE]

Bummer.

So for about 12km+ you had to ride like a nana.

When in fact it only needed to be for a half km or so.

Then detectors have a lot to answer for.:blank:

Swoop

9th July 2008, 13:28

It seems fairly clear from reviewing most of the radar threads that <STRIKE>Valentine or</STRIKE> Bel STi are the units to buy. Early warning is everything when it comes to radar, a couple of people have said things like I've got an XYZ brand and it works fine...picks up the same signal as my mates Valentine just not as early...in my book that does not amount to working fine, that difference in range is more likely to equal a fine!
Have a proper read of this information (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1640304&postcount=59). The Valentine is struggling to keep up with the game nowadays..

aghummmm........:bs:
11 Miles and 7 miles, STi and V1 respectively.

scumdog

9th July 2008, 14:00

11 Miles and 7 miles, STi and V1 respectively.

Furtherest away ticketed: 1.7km

"The detector wasn't on"

What is the point in having one if it 'wasn't on'??

PS: I believe it WAS on but action beats reaction.

boomer

9th July 2008, 14:29

Furtherest away ticketed: 1.7km

"The detector wasn't on"

What is the point in having one if it 'wasn't on'??

PS: I believe it WAS on but action beats reaction.

Thats why the other weapon in the riders arsenal should be the runner... take action and run.. and watch the old copper react!!

Runners for teh WiN!

radars + runners > rozza's

Reckless

9th July 2008, 14:30

The Valentine is struggling to keep up with the game nowadays..

I got a escort 8500 x50 off tard/me for $300. Looks new, original manuals, box & brackets etc. Looked at the tests at the time and it was up there or better than the others. Got a real nice feature where it gives you a loud blast and then quietens for the rest of the alert. Works with laser as well.
And has the ear phone jack for the bike when I get it set up.

Seems to work really well plenty of warning in the cage anyway. Radar detectors still rely on picking up the cop shooting other cars though i reckon. If he's got it off, with his finger on the button, one on one, I reckon you'd still be toast. But picked up 5 different cops one day coming back from Hamilton street races with no false alerts, seems to give very very few false alerts, have to check if its on some days.
Best $300 I spent in a while, not bad for a $700 detector, keep your eyes out for a T/me bargain.

Mrs Busa Pete

9th July 2008, 15:19

Ah yes, an absolute speed trap in that area, no need for a radar thingamebob, what I would do in that situation , hypothetically speaking, is let the other guy take the rap, assuming there were two of ya locked on by :Police: he only needs one, yes I would keep on going :niceone:
But what do I know, I wasn't there....:second:

That sounds like the plan Mark but i dont need a radar detector when im 2 up iv'e got my good luck charm on the back or is it that im riding in a manor because i have her on the back.

Taz

9th July 2008, 15:37

I never said I was a exemplary law-abiding c00nt bro, but I know that if I get caught speeding that "I" am the one at fault not Mr Plod.

Hey cut it out mate! You'll get red repped for suggesting people take responsibility for their own actions around here! It's always someone else's fault. :yes:

madbikeboy

9th July 2008, 17:56

I bought the best radar detector in the known universe from a WalMart in Wisconsin. It's brilliant, it has lots of annoying noises, and it's kind of cool looking.

Problem is - it doesn't start making noise until the nice gentlemen in the white car with the blue lights is sitting parked up behind me and is already writing expense claims.

I guess that counts as a failure. It cost me US$39, I can't understand it, I bought the cheapest one they had, what could possibly go wrong?

:)

cs363

9th July 2008, 19:11

Have a proper read of this information (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1640304&postcount=59). The Valentine is struggling to keep up with the game nowadays..

11 Miles and 7 miles, STi and V1 respectively.

Yeah seen that and a few other similar ones, also other tests biased towards Escort and/or Valentine. Like most 'tests' I take the info onboard but don't believe them as the gospel truth. If you dig further you find that a lot of those websites and/or magazines have vested interests either by way of association with resellers of a particular brand or advertising contracts with a particular brand.
What matters to me is the real world performance, I know a lot of professional/commercial drivers and nearly all of them use either Valentine or Bel. I own a Valentine as do several friends, I also have friends who own Bel STi's - experience has shown there is little difference in the real world, however the Bel STi does have an edge under some circumstances but it is very minimal. The Valentine has the advantage of dual antenna's and more importantly to me the unique 'bogey counter' and direction finder - I have found both these feature invaluable. I also like the fact that it has a metal case rather than plastic which is not an ideal material for something placed in direct sunlight for very long periods.
I'm certainly not promoting one over the other, just stating that these two seem to be far and away the most popular brands/models amongst people I know/associates etc.
At the end of the day I am more than happy with the V1 - it has never let me down and has saved me so many times that it has more than paid for itself. Just passing on my experience (as opposed to possibly biased tests) -what people choose to do with this info is up to them. I couldn't give a rats arse -I'm happy! :)

I should also point out that whatever the brand, no detector will save you if you are travelling at excessive speed (these days that's probably anything over 120/125km/h at least as far as penalties etc go) but they will reduce the cost/points tally if you react quickly enough. Where they are really good is having that extra pair of eyes that will hopefully stop you getting those annoying 'just over the limit' tickets that often arise from momentary inattention, sneaky/over zealous radar operators etc.

At the time I bought mine the comparable Bel model (I forget what it was) was nowhere near as good - they have come a long way in the last few years and are an excellent product, I certainly wouldn't knock them.
I should add that from what I've heard the late model Escort's are also very good - though there does seem to be varying reports on this, from what i gather the late model ones are much better which is probably something to do with them being bought out by Beltronics (or so I've heard)

Biggles2000

9th July 2008, 19:31

aghummmm........:bs:

Honest, its no BS. When it is on highway setting and in line of sight it sees then for miles and miles. On the Culverden straights when the radar detector has gone off and I an riding like a Nana there is stuff all else to do but work out how far away the cop is.
Going south down the Kaikoras it went off a few times and I slowed up a bit. A rep in a white maxima motored past me at a great rate. When I passed him and the cop who had stopped him I would say it was a similar distance. This has happened a few times now.
Ive only had one Laser alarm it was going into the Lyttleton tunnel a few weeks ago. I think they were in the control room.
Radar detectors are not fool proof, they dont see around corners or see cops who turn the radar units on when they are on top of you. But they do work better than I expected.

marty

9th July 2008, 19:38

Nope - much quicker....

.

i was being generous - a bike at 1km away will take a little longer, 2 seconds would give a good solid tone though. i've done much quicker, and if the split between patrol speed and target speed is great, it's quicker again.

but you know all that

Mikkel

9th July 2008, 22:43

And that's why I'm pondering spending the dosh on a Beltronics STi, if it'll pick up scattered radar signals from behind the crests of hills, etc.

I'm all about reducing speed before the cop's bouncing a signal directly off me.

The STi is the bees knees no doubt about it! However, it will not save your arse every time. (but 90+ out of 100 is pretty good though)

If the cops are using instant on radar you have to rely on other motorists to lure them out or you're shit outta luck... However, I suspect that wouldn't be an issue on the North Island quite as often as down here.

So for about 12km+ you had to ride like a nana.

When in fact it only needed to be for a half km or so.

Then detectors have a lot to answer for.:blank:

A member of the law-enforcing community has just formulated the prime reason why any attempt to ban radar detectors is counter-productive to the cause of getting motorists to "slow the FUCK down".

Honest, its no BS. When it is on highway setting and in line of sight it sees then for miles and miles. On the Culverden straights when the radar detector has gone off and I an riding like a Nana there is stuff all else to do but work out how far away the cop is.
Going south down the Kaikoras it went off a few times and I slowed up a bit. A rep in a white maxima motored past me at a great rate. When I passed him and the cop who had stopped him I would say it was a similar distance. This has happened a few times now.
Ive only had one Laser alarm it was going into the Lyttleton tunnel a few weeks ago. I think they were in the control room.
Radar detectors are not fool proof, they dont see around corners or see cops who turn the radar units on when they are on top of you. But they do work better than I expected.

I can only say I have had similar experiences. :yes:

roogazza

10th July 2008, 09:59

I have been running a V1 for years, its a great unit . But use eyes and experience and anything else I can.
Funny enough I don't bother switching it to the bike nowdays but in the car it has paid for itself many times over. Maybe cause the car is so boreing I tend to drift over the limit, where's on the bike I'm zeroed in. Gaz.

firefighter

10th July 2008, 12:36

Honest, its no BS. When it is on highway setting and in line of sight it sees then for miles and miles. On the Culverden straights when the radar detector has gone off and I an riding like a Nana there is stuff all else to do but work out how far away the cop is.
Going south down the Kaikoras it went off a few times and I slowed up a bit. A rep in a white maxima motored past me at a great rate. When I passed him and the cop who had stopped him I would say it was a similar distance. This has happened a few times now.
Ive only had one Laser alarm it was going into the Lyttleton tunnel a few weeks ago. I think they were in the control room.
Radar detectors are not fool proof, they dont see around corners or see cops who turn the radar units on when they are on top of you. But they do work better than I expected.

Yeah I just read up on them I had no idea they were that good, after my experience with my Bel RX65 (basically was a piece of shit and never did it's job) that sounded like B.S but I believe ya now

Gixxer 4 ever

10th July 2008, 12:44

Don’t have time to read all the reply, at the moment, but I have an Escort X50. Had it for 4 years. No tickets since I have had it. I recommend an ear plug. It gives you instant notice and you can hit the brakes hard. They can not lock you down when you are decreasing speed as fast as these bikes can stop. I have avoided tickets with instant on two up at 140 k. Pillion not pleased with sudden hard braking but I pay the fines so tuff. When you crank the speed up you need to have increased awareness for lots of reasons and that will help with the spotting of Cops. Eyes and ears are good. I paid around $490.00 for the X50 with all the bits like hard wiring etc. You should have had a look at it overt the weekend.
You can't use the Taupo road with out one. It is the cash cow road around here. Sorry you got da tickets. Maybe Chicky will pay them for you :shutup:

kiwifruit

10th July 2008, 12:56

If you can't operate a motorcycle within the law on public roads perhaps its time to stop using it on public roads?

Winston001

10th July 2008, 13:08

I'll confess to travelling above the speed limit on occasions. One reason is that the Duke, while being technically a tourer, is really a sports bike. Riding isn't comfortable below about 100kph because that is the speed at which wind resistance lifts my weight off my arms. I expect many bikes have this configuration.

So I'm considering a radar detector and the Beltronics STi seems the best.

What I don't know and need advice with is how it should be fitted and wired. Happy to get an autoelectrician to do it but it would be good to give him instructions - Ducatis aren't common down here.

The other matter is a screamer which I deduce to be a loud alarm of some sort. How and where should this be mounted and wired?

Finally, is it sensible to build the detector into my fairing with an on/off switch, or place it in a tank bag for easy removal?

Rob Taylor

10th July 2008, 13:19

I have a cheap EARLY WARNING radar detecter off trademe.Saved my bacon many times.No tickets yet,have had it 3 years.Thought it was not working very well because it only picked up the cops after you saw them but realised they had the radar off to stop dectection too soon.....until i picked a cop up well before i saw him just out of national park.....I travel at about 120kph so its ticket area for sure...:crybaby:

nodrog

10th July 2008, 13:54

If you can't operate a motorcycle within the law on public roads perhaps its time to stop using it on public roads?

lol, http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/vbtube_show.php?do=tube&tubeid=39&t=75520&p=1613492

marty

10th July 2008, 13:57

If you can't operate a motorcycle within the law on public roads perhaps its time to stop using it on public roads?

where's the crybaby thumbsucking smilie?

DMNTD

10th July 2008, 14:05

Fuggit...just bought a Beltronics STi with all the required bits.

nodrog

10th July 2008, 14:07

Fuggit...just caught a Bellend STi with all the red bits.

ouch.......

jrandom

10th July 2008, 14:20

lol, http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/vbtube_show.php?do=tube&tubeid=39&t=75520&p=1613492

That was Sally.

:nono:

kiwifruit

10th July 2008, 14:31

lol, http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/vbtube_show.php?do=tube&tubeid=39&t=75520&p=1613492

Thats not me. Its Sallo

jrandom

10th July 2008, 14:35

Thats not me. Its Sallo

I wish I could ride like that.

:love:

kiwifruit

10th July 2008, 14:36

:love:

+ 1

nodrog

10th July 2008, 14:37

Thats not me. Its Sallo

ok goldielocks

Matt Bleck

10th July 2008, 14:42

I wish I could ride like that.

:love:
If you have had as much practise riding as she has you would be leaking.... :rolleyes:

RiderInBlack

10th July 2008, 19:00

If you can't operate a motorcycle within the law on public roads perhaps its time to stop using it on public roads?Maybe that should say:
If ya can operate a motorcycle within the law on public roads perhaps it's time to live in a resthome:bleh:

cs363

10th July 2008, 19:19

Maybe that should say:
If ya can operate a motorcycle within the law on public roads perhaps it's time to live in a resthome:bleh:

To be fair, it is fairly easy to operate a Hyosung 250 within the law on public roads....:whistle: :laugh:

(Not: For easily offended Hyosung owners - This is a piss take...)

Korumba

10th July 2008, 20:10

I totally agree. I cannot do long distance unless sat at 140 ish (or at least in the 120-140 bracket. 100 feels like walking pace, you get tired, easily distracted because of the boredom etc.. and before you know it, you DIE.

Don’t Fucking Quote Me, and then add your silly arsed comments in the middle of my post. I do hope you understand me?

Morcs

11th July 2008, 08:15

Don’t Fucking Quote Me, and then add your silly arsed comments in the middle of my post. I do hope you understand me?

oooo

Is that sposed to make me scared?

I quoted your post, then someone elses, but first forgot to comment on your post that I quoted. I went into edit and added my comments - seems they went in the post rather than after the post. my bad.

get the fuck over it.

Qkchk

11th July 2008, 08:46

Is that sposed to make me scared? get the fuck over it.

:girlfight: :corn:

slimjim

11th July 2008, 08:51

If you can't operate a motorcycle within the law on public roads perhaps its time to stop using it on public roads?

:2thumbsup fucking A.......... or don't fucking stop at all :baby:

Patrick

11th July 2008, 13:38

Which is why the whole sentence read: The cops can tell if you are using (some) detectors with radar detector- detectors built into their radar units (VG2 technology), though most top end detectors have anti-VG2 technology so in theory are undetectable. As far as I am aware NZ police do not have VG2 at this time.

Ummm ... my sentence was shorter. Was just confirming the fact that we don't have em.

PS: I believe it WAS on but action beats reaction.

Never a truer word... unless you are a KBer who can react quicker than a radar beam :Pokey:.

Thats why the other weapon in the riders arsenal should be the runner... take action and run.. and watch the old copper react!!

Runners for teh WiN!

radars + runners > rozza's

Ginga gets wound up by that sort of thing. Hence the targeting of motorbikes perhaps?

They can not lock you down when you are decreasing speed as fast as these bikes can stop.

Absolute BS. You only got lucky with an inexperienced operator.:banana:

You can not react quicker than the push of one button, twice. (Transmit/Lock is the same button). The decrease in speed moments AFTER the speed is locked is an absolute certain giveaway that theres a radar detector on board....

Had one guy ask for a "re-test" of a very expensive unit after a ticket once. Pinged him again, beating his reaction. He checked my locked speed, took out the detector and threw it onto the ground. Saying what a waste of money.

Money wasters is right, if the radar operator is good at it....

vifferman

11th July 2008, 14:59

Had one guy ask for a "re-test" of a very expensive unit after a ticket once. Pinged him again, beating his reaction. He checked my locked speed, took out the detector and threw it onto the ground.
Did you give him a bonus ticket for littering? :blink:

Stormer

11th July 2008, 18:01

Went up to Palmy today to check out some new boots (AlpineStars S-MX R may be the winner), and once again the trusty Ecort 8500 saved the day.:niceone:

bully

11th July 2008, 19:06

belltronic sti, is great, but i am on my 3rd one all on warrenty, i have all the bits also, nobody else seems to have that problem tho, it just says service required, and they cant service them so send me a new one, 90% of the time is on my bike, thats 3 in under a year and i dont use my bike alot only fine weekends.

dont the police have to be in under 500meters away to ping you legally?
iv always wondered at this day and age can you go to jail for speeding? if your doing nothing else wrong? eg..300, i know its a crazy speed that i havnt done but if you were can you go to jail?

cs363

11th July 2008, 19:22

Ummm ... my sentence was shorter. Was just confirming the fact that we don't have em.

Had one guy ask for a "re-test" of a very expensive unit after a ticket once. Pinged him again, beating his reaction. He checked my locked speed, took out the detector and threw it onto the ground. Saying what a waste of money.

Money wasters is right, if the radar operator is good at it....

Cool :)

Would be interested to know the brand of the 'money waster'? Also the speed at which you ticketed him?

As a traffic officer what is your opinion of responsibly used detectors - as per my previous post (to recap - I think they are good for speed creep/mild innattention to speed (as in eyes on the road rather than on the speedo) but certainly not a licence to speed (i.e. speeds of 120 km/h +) as some seem to think they are. Personally I find they help me to drive more responsibly as it is a reminder to keep speed down.

Winston001

11th July 2008, 20:11

iv always wondered at this day and age can you go to jail for speeding? if your doing nothing else wrong? eg..300, i know its a crazy speed that i havnt done but if you were can you go to jail?

Driving at a dangerous speed is mandatory loss of licence and imprisonable. Only likely to happen to someone with a bad record but.......

RiderInBlack

11th July 2008, 21:04

I think they are good for speed creep/mild innattention to speed (as in eyes on the road rather than on the speedo) but certainly not a licence to speed (i.e. speeds of 120 km/h +) as some seem to think they are. Personally I find they help me to drive more responsibly as it is a reminder to keep speed down.Aye. Find that too. Anything over 120kpm in a 100kpm and ya would have ta be lucky ta get ya speed down to legal speed by the time ya radar detector told ya "ya in trouble". It also unsettling ta find so many Patrol Cars out there running in "Stealth" Mode so puts the head it a bit.

scumdog

12th July 2008, 10:31

Cool :)

Would be interested to know the brand of the 'money waster'? Also the speed at which you ticketed him?

As a traffic officer what is your opinion of responsibly used detectors - as per my previous post (to recap - I think they are good for speed creep/mild innattention to speed (as in eyes on the road rather than on the speedo) but certainly not a licence to speed (i.e. speeds of 120 km/h +) as some seem to think they are. Personally I find they help me to drive more responsibly as it is a reminder to keep speed down.

If you were REALLY only worried about 'speed creep/mild inattention' wouldn't it be better to have a flashing light wired with a 'gizmo' to your speedo so that every time you got to 109kmh the light flashed??

(Use the same technology they have in Jappas that had that annoying 'dinger' that went on every time you got over 110kmh or so)

That would surely remind you to keep your speed down

That way you would not have to worry about cops with the radar on 'instant-on' mode etc.

denill

12th July 2008, 12:00

If you were REALLY only worried about 'speed creep/mild inattention' wouldn't it be better to have a flashing light wired with a 'gizmo' to your speedo so that every time you got to 109kmh the light flashed??

(Use the same technology they have in Jappas that had that annoying 'dinger' that went on every time you got over 110kmh or so)

That would surely remind you to keep your speed down

That way you would not have to worry about cops with the radar on 'instant-on' mode etc.

It is a given that - not many own a bike to 110 - kph. :whistle: :whistle:

If they did you'd be unemployed, or catching REAL crims. ;) ;)

Gixxer 4 ever

12th July 2008, 12:37

Absolute BS. You only got lucky with an inexperienced operator.:banana:....
Lots of learner cops on the road then.
I know I will get pinged again in the future. Just how it is, but I have had 4 years of great fun ridding with the help of the X50. Saved plenty and been allowed to enjoy the bike. That will do it for me. I will donate again at some point but it is nice to be able to let the bike fly from time to time and enjoy the ride.

You can not react quicker than the push of one button, twice. (Transmit/Lock is the same button). The decrease in speed moments AFTER the speed is locked is an absolute certain giveaway that theres a radar detector on board........

Who cares if you know there is a detector on the bike. They are legal.
When they are not legal I will look at stealth and see if we can build them in to the bike with cut off switches. Welcome to the playing fields people.

Gixxer 4 ever

12th July 2008, 12:51

Screamers are no good. To slow to react. Has to be an ear piece.

So often you get a warning from the cop car targeting other traffic. I guess they don’t work for some people but if you are serious about this sport you have to train yourself to be on your game all the time you are outside the speed limit. Like all things you will loose some but you need to look at what you gain from a detector. Simple stuff and no one answer will work for everyone.

scumdog

12th July 2008, 15:39

kiwifruit

12th July 2008, 16:12

Screamers are no good. To slow to react. Has to be an ear piece.

bollocks.

the screamer plugs into the same place as the ear piece

BMW_RACER

12th July 2008, 17:38

I got a rocky mountain one off trademe. Hasnt failed me yet.

Gixxer 4 ever

13th July 2008, 08:35

bollocks
the screamer plugs into the same place as the ear piece

What? In to your ear????????

So there we have it. If a hundred people reply to the Radar detector thread you get 100 different ideas. If, what ever you are doing works for you, then you have the answer. If you are still getting tickets then you need to change something.

Still the sun is out today so it is a good day to go and test the theory. Happy riding everyone. No more tickets aye Dan. I am sure the answer is in here somewhere. Send him your detector so he can try it Allan.

Patrick

15th July 2008, 15:47

dont the police have to be in under 500meters away to ping you legally?

Nope. In good conditions, you can ping soemthing from over 2km away - like on the Desert Rd.

Cool :)

Would be interested to know the brand of the 'money waster'? Also the speed at which you ticketed him?

Can't recall the brand but it was state of the art, then... Speed was 140.

Lots of learner cops on the road then.
..... but it is nice to be able to let the bike fly from time to time and enjoy the ride.

1. Yes there are, at times...

2. Time and place, is all......

Who cares if you know there is a detector on the bike. They are legal.

Like I cared? Just laughed at the waste of money.... so, soooo often..........

Horse

15th July 2008, 16:56

If you were REALLY only worried about 'speed creep/mild inattention' wouldn't it be better to have a flashing light wired with a 'gizmo' to your speedo so that every time you got to 109kmh the light flashed??

Curiously enough I do precisely this in the work cage with the GPS unit, which is set to beep at 110km/h. One of the many useful features of in-car GPS is having an accurate measurement of your speed - most speedos (my bike included) seem to be wildly inaccurate.

Stickchick

15th July 2008, 17:28

Maybe Chicky will pay them for you :shutup:

bwahahahahahahaha. Now thats the funniest thing I have heard all week. :lol: However, you could always follow me while I ride the EL and look at my pretty arse. That way your guaranteed not to get caught speeding. :2thumbsup

Stormer

15th July 2008, 17:50

My view is that unless you are a state programmed clone and travel no faster than the last decimal point of the posted speed limit, then a good radar detector is a must.
There is no discretion given as to road conditions, risk, whatever anymore...especially in the 101 to 120kph region.
What an absolute waste of "overworked" police resources.

Disclaimer:
Writers views only, does not accept any responsibility,liability, blah, blah, blah...

bully

15th July 2008, 18:47

my belltronic sti, has saftey warnings, of all types as well,(including roadworks ahead) but n.z. dosent comply with it so cant be used, only ozzy.
we should, (nz) saftey warnings are all good.

Cr1MiNaL

15th July 2008, 21:17

Who cares if you know there is a detector on the bike. They are legal. When they are not legal I will look at stealth and see if we can build them in to the bike with cut off switches. Welcome to the playing fields people.

Don't diss Patrick hes my friend :oi-grr:

Gremlin

16th July 2008, 01:52

my belltronic sti, has saftey warnings, of all types as well,(including roadworks ahead) but n.z. dosent comply with it so cant be used, only ozzy.
we should, (nz) saftey warnings are all good.
NZ was offered this system FREE (in short, its called SWS, or Safety Warning System) as a way of warning about well... anything... ahead. NZ declined, on the grounds it would encourage use of detectors. :angry2:

Mr J: I have an STi Driver, mixed results to report. Picked up a cop from behind a rise in the road, but I wasn't first, car in front was going a little quicker (as I slowed down :lol:) Unsure as to whether or not I would have been pinged if no car, as I don't believe I was speeding, but only just inside safe limits.

Didn't save me on a straight stretch past Marton or something. Apparently its real famous like that... now I know. I saw the cop (oncoming), grabbed a handful of brake when I realised I was still going quick :Oops: the detector screamed its tits off and I was all alone... and I got nicked (third dm's, bye bye license, had it back for 2 weeks now). Cop I presume was either a, using laser (but doubt it) or b, instant on (nothing will save you from that).

jrandom

16th July 2008, 07:43

I saw the cop (oncoming), grabbed a handful of brake

See, there's your problem.

The brakes on a ZX-10R are not your primary means of ticket avoidance.

sinfull

16th July 2008, 07:50

See, there's your problem.

The brakes on a ZX-10R are not your primary means of ticket avoidance.

OMG you have stealth mode installed ?

jrandom

16th July 2008, 08:02

OMG you have stealth mode installed ?

Stealth mode is activated by the twisty thing on the right handlebar.

scumdog

16th July 2008, 08:28

Stealth mode is activated by the twisty thing on the right handlebar.

And furthermore by twisting it correctly it activates an invisible cloak of invincibility as well as causing a growth of 'nads perceptible only to the rider.....<_<.

Swoop

16th July 2008, 08:41

I saw the cop (oncoming), grabbed a handful of brake when I realised I was still going quick :Oops: the detector screamed its tits off and I was all alone... and I got nicked.
Cop I presume was either a, using laser (but doubt it) or b, instant on (nothing will save you from that).
Sounds like instant on.

BMW_RACER

16th July 2008, 10:43

My rockmountain detector has never failed me, best $50 ever.

scumdog

16th July 2008, 11:07

My rockmountain detector has never failed me, best $50 ever.

I hope your BOV works just as well for you.......:lol:

Patrick

17th July 2008, 17:37

Stealth mode is activated by the twisty thing on the right handlebar.

And it is faster than the radio call ahead... and the chopper in Auckland too...

jrandom

17th July 2008, 17:54

And it is faster than the radio call ahead... and the chopper in Auckland too...

As you so correctly point out, running from the law is a very contextual thing.

Sometimes it works well for everyone, with the HP boys getting a chance to play and the motorcyclist living to ride another day, but sometimes it's a real fuckin' stupid thing to do.

And I'm not stupid.

:niceone:

scumdog

17th July 2008, 18:13

As you so correctly point out, running from the law is a very contextual thing.

Sometimes it works well for everyone, with the HP boys getting a chance to play and the motorcyclist living to ride another day, but sometimes it's a real fuckin' stupid thing to do.

And I'm not stupid.

:niceone:

I bet all the dead runners thought that too....:yes:

jrandom

17th July 2008, 18:18

I bet all the dead runners thought that too....:yes:

Yes, but the difference is, they were wrong.

:msn-wink:

cs363

18th July 2008, 20:58

Can't recall the brand but it was state of the art, then... Speed was 140.

yeah that backs up what I thought about detectors being useless as a licence to speed, but a useful tool at speeds just over the limit (say up to 120) especially in those areas where some cops like to lurk in passing lanes or similar easy beats.
I was always taught that the less time spent on the opposite side of the road the better, yet some cops insist on pinging people for a few k/mh over the limit in passing situations. I think if the driver/rider exceeds the limit to pass but is then observed to slow back to normal speed after passing there should be some leniency, especially in light of the seemingly huge amount of morons that can't seem to drive at a reasonable pace on two lane roads but as soon as passing lane appears they speed up to 110 making it nigh on impossible to pass them in a legal manner.
Having been ticketed a few times under similar circumstances was the reason for me buying a detector - whatever happened to discretion and common sense when issuing tickets?
You don't see too many people driving at crazy speeds these days but the amount of tail gaters, failing to give way, not using mirrors/indicators, failing to dip full beams and similar bad driving habits seems to be on the increase, yet the cops just seem to turn a blind eye to these things from what i've seen. (Note: I am generalising here, I have seen on rare occasions things like people being pulled over that are travelling too slowly and holding up hordes of traffic and similar common sense policing, but there seems to be far too much emphasis on speed and not enough on enforcing bad driving habits)

cs363

18th July 2008, 20:59

Gremlin

19th July 2008, 02:16

See, there's your problem.

The brakes on a ZX-10R are not your primary means of ticket avoidance.
Unfortunately, I wasn't on the zx10... I was on a blackbird with about 40kg of luggage. I still reckon if I had been on the 10, I wouldn't have been speeding, as I thought I backed off after doing some overtaking... not used to the torque :oi-grr:

Oh well... thems the breaks, was rather annoyed I can't even complain about the cop, he was quite polite and told me to keep it down... (after handing me a ticket that would see loss of license once LTNZ processed it) :weep:

Have to pull the detector out again, haven't used it in months... its lots of fun finding cops you would never normally see...

TimeOut

19th July 2008, 09:10

yeah that backs up what I thought about detectors being useless as a licence to speed, but a useful tool at speeds just over the limit (say up to 120) especially in those areas where some cops like to lurk in passing lanes or similar easy beats.
I was always taught that the less time spent on the opposite side of the road the better, yet some cops insist on pinging people for a few k/mh over the limit in passing situations. I think if the driver/rider exceeds the limit to pass but is then observed to slow back to normal speed after passing there should be some leniency, especially in light of the seemingly huge amount of morons that can't seem to drive at a reasonable pace on two lane roads but as soon as passing lane appears they speed up to 110 making it nigh on impossible to pass them in a legal manner.
Having been ticketed a few times under similar circumstances was the reason for me buying a detector - whatever happened to discretion and common sense when issuing tickets?
You don't see too many people driving at crazy speeds these days but the amount of tail gaters, failing to give way, not using mirrors/indicators, failing to dip full beams and similar bad driving habits seems to be on the increase, yet the cops just seem to turn a blind eye to these things from what i've seen. (Note: I am generalising here, I have seen on rare occasions things like people being pulled over that are travelling too slowly and holding up hordes of traffic and similar common sense policing, but there seems to be far too much emphasis on speed and not enough on enforcing bad driving habits)

+1 to that post.
I think the morons that can't do more 90k till the see passing lanes (then hit the brakes at the end of them) are more of a road hazard i.e.driver frustration leading to dangerous overtaking, than someone slightly over the speed limit. It's a pity the cops don't focus more attention on them.
That is the reason I to have dectors as passing lanes seem to be favourite haunt for cops.

Patrick

19th July 2008, 15:38

... failing to dip full beams ... yet the cops just seem to turn a blind eye to these things

Sometimes turn both blinded eyes.... Most of these ones are pissed. Like shooting ducks on water.

Swoop

19th July 2008, 16:30

yeah that backs up what I thought about detectors being useless as a licence to speed,
Quite correct, they have never been that, and a person would be extremely foolish to think otherwise. They do give you more information about who is around, but nothing else.

1 Free Man

19th July 2008, 18:17

jrandom

19th July 2008, 18:27

I use the round thingy in front of me on my bike.

Come back to this thread once you get off that VL250 and onto something with a round thingy that, well... goes over 100.

:msn-wink:

boomer

19th July 2008, 18:34

Come back to this thread once you get off that VL250 and onto something with a round thingy that, well... goes over 100.

:msn-wink:

you mean like you and your GSX1400.. ahahahhaha ..???!!

;)

jrandom

19th July 2008, 18:47

you mean like you and your GSX1400.. ahahahhaha ..???!!

I thought you were putting me on your ignore list so that you didn't have to get all riled up, bro.

You probably should, aye. I don't plan on being any less annoying in the future, and peace of mind has been scientifically proven to be good for you.

:doctor:

Stormer

19th July 2008, 18:50

come back to this thread once you get off that vl250 and onto something with a round thingy that, well... Goes over 100.

:msn-wink:

ha!!!!!!!!

madandy

19th July 2008, 19:24

I use the round thingy in front of me on my bike. It's got a needle whatsit inside with numbers all around it. The 100 number is the best detector you can get and whats more it's included as part of the bike when you buy it,
Cheap ass A! must be my scott's blood.:doh:
Sorry buddy. were you looking for some sympathy with this thread.
BAD NEWS DUDE! DON'T YA JUST HATE IT WHEN THOSE FUCKING COPS GET OFF THEIR FAT ARSES AND DO THEIR JOBS. Hope this makes you feel better.:crybaby:

You never overtake?

I prefer to return to my lane as quickly as possible rather than hang out there on the wrong side of the centre line...

My Bel AU/NZ Vector 955 has never let me down. I cruise around 100km/h +15-20%.
Whats this talk of non laser detection?! My Bel tell me "Laser Alert" and gives plenty good warning. Picks up the old instant on in plenty of time too provided there's a car within a kay or two ahead of me for the Pleeceman to give the game away.

It'd be nice if TGA cops would get their fat asses out to Omokoroa when asked by the residents rather than picking motorists up on the expressway for minor infrigements.
Doing their Jobs? Taking the easy way out some would suggest.

boomer

19th July 2008, 19:38

I thought you were putting me on your ignore list so that you didn't have to get all riled up, bro.

You probably should, aye. I don't plan on being any less annoying in the future, and peace of mind has been scientifically proven to be good for you.

:doctor:

Didn't the wink ;) 'do it' for you? I fail to see or understand where i got riled up, or are you suggesting that your tone accompanied with winks are meant to rile people?

im calm and happy thanks.

alanzs

19th July 2008, 19:40

Deja vu?
My V1 with screamer has saved me many, many times. Well worth the investment.
Check out www.frys.com in the US. They ship to NZ and will save you a small fortune. A friend just ordered one and had it shipped on over here.

jrandom

19th July 2008, 19:42

Didn't the wink ;) 'do it' for you?

Didn't think you were riled up that time, was just a bit worried that something I say might get your blood pressure going at some point in the future, so I was querying what you said earlier today about some time out on the ignore list.

im calm and happy thanks.

You might not believe me, but I'm glad to hear that.

:hug:

1 Free Man

20th July 2008, 22:31

Come back to this thread once you get off that VL250 and onto something with a round thingy that, well... goes over 100.

:msn-wink:
You win Jrandom
Your dick is obviously bigger than mine.:bleh:

jrandom

21st July 2008, 07:35

Your dick is obviously bigger than mine.

Don't be silly. It's got nothing to do with dick size.

My point is simply that on a VL250, you can't really exceed the speed limit comfortably, and I don't think that your self-righteousness is likely to survive the shift to a bike that can.

It never does.

madandy

21st July 2008, 09:55

Here was me thinking you'd have to be very well hung to handle an Intruder ;)

Toaster

21st July 2008, 10:02

Here's another question: given the presumably-ideal situation of two vehicles headed directly toward each other at constant speeds, does anyone know how long the police radars take to lock onto the oncoming vehicle's speed once turned on?

It is as fast as the operator can push the lock button. One practice you will struggle to beat is using the radar and laser in "bursts" They will have already got ya before your expensive dash ornament can even warn you.

civil

21st July 2008, 10:08

jrandom

21st July 2008, 10:09

It is as fast as the operator can push the lock button. One practice you will struggle to beat is using the radar and laser in "bursts" They will have already got ya before your expensive dash ornament can even warn you.

:yes:

It's clear that radar detectors are no 'licence to speed'.

What they will do (if they're good, like the Bel STi) is give early warnings off signal reflections from other vehicles up ahead.

I have no expectation of being able to cruise at a hundred miles an hour and simply brake when the alarm goes off.

But I do expect that in situations like the other weekend, when I was ticketed twice for riding the Napier-Taupo road at 120kph by HP cruising with their radar constantly on, and there were plenty of cars on the road ahead of me, I'll get enough additional warning of radar activity in the immediate area to allow me to cruise at sensible speeds without having to exercise paranoia and get frustrated.

:niceone:

Toaster

21st July 2008, 10:10

You think so .......:lol:

Do you also think our Government is only there to help us ? :oi-grr:

I know so.

And no I detest the incumbent govt, what sort of a stupid response is that?

vifferman

21st July 2008, 10:14

Y'know, Mr jrandom, iffen you'd bought a radar detector WAAAAAY back when you suggested I buy one, you'd possibly/probably/certainly still have your motorbicycle licence.

jrandom

21st July 2008, 10:17

Y'know, Mr jrandom, iffen you'd bought a radar detector WAAAAAY back when you suggested I buy one, you'd possibly/probably/certainly still have your motorbicycle licence.

Three months of enforced pedalling will do my health no end of good.

And, let's face it, I've always been the kinda guy who has to learn from his own mistakes.

:pinch:

Dooly

21st July 2008, 11:20

Anyone here with a Ducati sportsbike have a detector, and if so what mount are you using?

jrandom

21st July 2008, 11:21

Anyone here with a Ducati sportsbike have a detector, and if so what mount are you using?

DMNTD just put a Beltronics STi on his 1098S. PM him about it.

Dooly

21st July 2008, 11:39

Cheers JR:niceone:

jim.cox

21st July 2008, 15:50

Anyone here with a Ducati sportsbike have a detector, and if so what mount are you using?

Escort Solo S2 mounted directly on the helmet

robertydog

21st July 2008, 17:12

Ive just Inherited a whistler radar detecter with front and rear laser modules. Im not entirely convinced that this will do the job. Anybody had any experiance with them.

1 Free Man

21st July 2008, 20:04

Don't be silly. It's got nothing to do with dick size.

My point is simply that on a VL250, you can't really exceed the speed limit comfortably, and I don't think that your self-righteousness is likely to survive the shift to a bike that can.

It never does.
What aload of sanctimonious clap trap. Suck it up man. ya broke the law becaues you were riding above the recommended limit and you are blaming you electronic goodies for your dilemma.
The VL 250 is well capable of exceeding the speed limit and the thing that I have found that causes it to do that it the Hand that does the twisty thing on the right hand grip that makes it do so.
IT'S STILL YOUR FAULT you were the dude twisting the wrist. YES???? NO????
I will agree to differ on the self-righteous front.
I think my self-righteousness will help me survive VL 250 or 109.
How many times were you ticketed on that day????
To get ticketed once in a day is, to be sure, a shame. To get ticketed twice on the same day for the same thing is just stupidity.:doh:

Gixxer 4 ever

21st July 2008, 20:21

Ive just Inherited a whistler radar detecter with front and rear laser modules. Im not entirely convinced that this will do the job. Anybody had any experiance with them.

After looking at da pic’s of your bike you will not need a detector. Shit that’s a nice bike. It will charm the tickets away. Or out run them in second gear. Bloody nice mate but I am not going to say that on our thread. And don’t cross post it.

Gixxer 4 ever

21st July 2008, 20:26

To get ticketed twice on the same day for the same thing is just stupidity.:doh:

Come on you two, just kiss and make up. So much aggression on here.
Da thread :Police: will get you and infractionate you :laugh::laugh:

oldrider

21st July 2008, 20:47

jrandom

21st July 2008, 20:51

broke the law... FAULT... self-righteousness...

Mr Free Man, the deal is, I abide by the law when I agree with it.

Not just because it's there.

It's folk like you who put on the brown shirts and swastikas and threw Jewish children into the railway carriages... because that's the law, right?

You gotta learn to think laterally, man. The law is not always right. The law can never always be right; life's too complex to be bound up in rules and regulations.

Sometimes the best way to deal with that fact is public protest and political agitation, and sometimes the best way to deal with it is to quietly step around the rules and regulations without bothering anyone.

This thread is all about my search for technology to help me achieve that latter goal.

To get ticketed twice on the same day for the same thing is just stupidity.

Well, it was twice within three days, but you're right; it doesn't reflect very well on my awareness level.

Anyway, might I suggest you try to be less irritable on the forum? Agitation is bad for your health, and makes you come across quite unpleasantly. It's just not necessary.

:sunny:

jrandom

21st July 2008, 20:57

Well jrandom, 166 posts later, how would you summarize your thread?

1. Some people don't grasp the moral subtlety of accepting responsibility for Breaking The Law (tm) whilst still looking for ways to do so without consequence. Those people don't seem to like me very much. They would probably get on well with my mother.

2. No radar detector will save you from a cop who has bounced a signal off you and has a finger on the button. You gotta hope for stray reflections setting it off before he's actually thinking about you, or you're toast.

3. That said, radar detectors can still be invaluable tools when used intelligently as part of a safe approach to open-road riding.

Are you any wiser as to which is the most reliable radar detector?

The Beltronics STi has emerged as the clear leader, and I plan on purchasing one forthwith.

On the whole, it's been a useful thread, and I thank the KB community for sharing its wisdom.

:hug:

BBzz

21st July 2008, 21:07

kiwifruit

21st July 2008, 21:14

Speed kills, slow down.

Patrick

21st July 2008, 21:19

I don't think it's the Radar Detector It’s the :Police: not playing by the rules
The Problem is that they don't leave there Lasers on all the time. Which means your Detector no matter how “good” it is can’t pick them up until they flick it on.
Cost me 40 Demerit points. I don’t trust it now. :eek5:

Say what???

Its the cops fault people speed????

Bananas in pyjamas just are not colourful enough for some folk.....

Don't forget it also cost you the amount of the fine and of purchasing the device, (which let you down), too...

jrandom

21st July 2008, 21:41

Don't forget it also cost you the amount of the fine and of purchasing the device, (which let you down), too...

Well, one of the main points of this thread has been that money is just money, but losing one's driver's licence is a serious pain in the arse.

What's your take on it, Patrick?

Do you think that radar detectors are a valid tool in certain circumstances, or do you think that anything which gives people an enhanced ability to Break The Law (tm) and remain undetected is a Bad Thing (tm)?

Ixion

21st July 2008, 21:50

Say what???

Its the cops fault people speed????

Bananas in pyjamas just are not colourful enough for some folk.....

Don't forget it also cost you the amount of the fine and of purchasing the device, (which let you down), too...

's a matter of fair play. Like the Rules of Engagement in war, the Navy isn't supposed to lay minefields without warning shipping that they're there. And merchant crews are supposed to be given the opportunity to take to the boats before sinking their ship. That sort of thing. And in the never ending war betwixt the motorist and the snake, there are also unwritten rules: radars are supposed to be left on; no cops on state highways with numbers above 10. And others. Not saying that every snake always respects the rules of engagement . But a gentleman does. Sneaky ain't cricket.

'Tis my task to get safely from A to B as quickly as conditions permit. 'Tis the snake's task to try to catch me out, and give me a ticket. Thus it ever has been. And when both sides play fair and square, if I get caught then it is a meeting between honourable adversaries. But noone respects a cheat.

1 Free Man

21st July 2008, 22:20

Mr Free Man, the deal is, I abide by the law when I agree with it.

Not just because it's there.

It's folk like you who put on the brown shirts and swastikas and threw Jewish children into the railway carriages... because that's the law, right?

You gotta learn to think laterally, man. The law is not always right. The law can never always be right; life's too complex to be bound up in rules and regulations.

Sometimes the best way to deal with that fact is public protest and political agitation, and sometimes the best way to deal with it is to quietly step around the rules and regulations without bothering anyone.

This thread is all about my search for technology to help me achieve that latter goal.

Well, it was twice within three days, but you're right; it doesn't reflect very well on my awareness level.

Anyway, might I suggest you try to be less irritable on the forum? Agitation is bad for your health, and makes you come across quite unpleasantly. It's just not necessary.

:sunny:
Thank you Mr Jrandom for this friendly bit of cyber sparing.
Please come back to us with a new thread after you have done your 3 months on the pedocycle and tell us if you still hold dear to your outlook on the law.
You are quite right the law isn't always right and no one would agree with you on that point more than me. I will go so far as to say I have in my younger years been as strong headed as you with regard to the law and did my share of trying to beat the system, but the fact of the matter is that I have learned to think laterally and it is easier and cheaper to live within the bounds of the law and be a lot more discreet about where and when you choose to stretch the point and trust your luck. This of course come back to your point about "quietly stepping around the rules and regulation without bothering anyone." You obviously weren't quiety stepping around anything if you attracted the attention of the Plod on two occasions in three days and on both occasions it did bother someone THE PLOD.
Stop and reflect on the cost to you of your indiscretion
1. loss of licence
2. pedocycling for period as determined by 1.
3. Fine/Fines. For sure plod won't miss out on this revenue gathering opertunity. Both of them.
4. Summers coming and all of that good riding weather going to waste while you make your point against the laws of the land.

"Ah grasshopper, one day the student will become the teacher."
Good Luck Jrandom, Go hard man. You show those dictatorial law making pricks that they have got it all wrong.
Anarchy should rule supreme!!!!!:niceone:

Regards
1 Free man
Older and wiser

PS. Gave up on burning Jews long time ago. Just got to the stage where it wasn't fun anymore.

Mikkel

21st July 2008, 22:24

Picks up the old instant on in plenty of time too provided there's a car within a kay or two ahead of me for the Pleeceman to give the game away.

It's always the lack of traffic that is the problem down here on the South Island ;)

What aload of sanctimonious clap trap. Suck it up man. ya broke the law becaues you were riding above the recommended limit and you are blaming you electronic goodies for your dilemma.
The VL 250 is well capable of exceeding the speed limit and the thing that I have found that causes it to do that it the Hand that does the twisty thing on the right hand grip that makes it do so.

He's right - you may find out eventually. And while there are plenty of 250s that can land you a roadside suspension - none of them are capable of doing it in 1st gear (at least not on the open road) :no:

So far I haven't met a motorcyclist who doesn't enjoy speed - speed is relative though... However, having the means to go ridiculously fast tends to tempt you a bit.

IT'S STILL YOUR FAULT you were the dude twisting the wrist. YES???? NO????
I will agree to differ on the self-righteous front.
I think my self-righteousness will help me survive VL 250 or 109.
How many times were you ticketed on that day????
To get ticketed once in a day is, to be sure, a shame. To get ticketed twice on the same day for the same thing is just stupidity.:doh:

I didn't see this thread as a bid for sympathy, a whine or cop-bashing in anyway. Of course you'd be gutted getting hit twice inside 3 days - doesn't mean that you don't stand by your actions though. I don't think it happens that often that somebody decides to speed knowing that they are about to collect a ticket.

It is sensible however to ask if chucking a significant amount of dollars at a radar detector is actually going to be worthwhile or not.

Mr Free Man, the deal is, I abide by the law when I agree with it.

Not just because it's there.

It's folk like you who put on the brown shirts and swastikas and threw Jewish children into the railway carriages... because that's the law, right?

You gotta learn to think laterally, man. The law is not always right. The law can never always be right; life's too complex to be bound up in rules and regulations.

Sometimes the best way to deal with that fact is public protest and political agitation, and sometimes the best way to deal with it is to quietly step around the rules and regulations without bothering anyone.

While I agree 100% mate, unfortunately that argument is going to be wasted on a significant percentage of the population - as was proven quite spectacularly by the nazis.

Speed kills, slow down.

Speed kills, go faster!

1 Free Man

21st July 2008, 22:25

Speed kills, slow down.
Hey kiwifruit. try a larger font in red!!!
your message isn't getting across!!!
CAPITALS ARE GOOD TO!!!

Mikkel

21st July 2008, 22:26

Stop and reflect on the cost to you of your indiscretion
1. loss of licence
2. pedocycling for period as determined by 1.
3. Fine/Fines. For sure plod won't miss out on this revenue gathering opertunity. Both of them.
4. Summers coming and all of that good riding weather going to waste while you make your point against the laws of the land.

Sinners repent!

McJim

21st July 2008, 22:29

thank the KB community for sharing its wisdom.

I can't decide whether this is sarcasm or an oxymoron....I think we need a poll.:rofl:

jrandom

21st July 2008, 22:41

Good Luck Jrandom, Go hard man. You show those dictatorial law making pricks that they have got it all wrong.

You have difficulty thinking in non-absolutes, don't you?

I wonder if you're such a smarmy prick in real life, too, or whether it's the internet anonymity that brings it out in you.

:no:

DW86

21st July 2008, 22:41

Works fine with me on my car mate!

Mikkel

21st July 2008, 22:51

You have difficulty thinking in non-absolutes, don't you?

I seem to recall a discussion not long ago where someone else, who has been fairly active in this thread, had trouble accepting non-absolutes... <_<

That discussion was basically about morals. You could argue that the same is the case for this thread. :yes:

1 Free Man

21st July 2008, 22:55

You have difficulty thinking in non-absolutes, don't you?

I wonder if you're such a smarmy prick in real life, too, or whether it's the internet anonymity that brings it out in you.

:no:
No you are right I am a smarmy prick in real life. And I'm still holding a drivers/ Riders licence. Will you be able to say the same thing in a few weeks???
The internet has nothing to do with it,It's just the way I am,an Old, law abiding,Smarmy, jew burning old bugger.
Come on man, Smarmy Prick, is that the best you can do. I have been insulted by experts and you don't even come into the catagory.

jrandom

21st July 2008, 22:56

I seem to recall a discussion not long ago where someone else, who has been fairly active in this thread, had trouble accepting non-absolutes... <_<

Go back and read that thread, and try to work out whether that person was having you on at the time.

:msn-wink:

Anyway, this thread's not about right or wrong; it's about which radar detector works best. It's funny how some people get a bit het up on the subject, innit?

McJim

21st July 2008, 22:58

My radar detector failed me....admitedly I was trying to use it as a modem at the time but it still failed miserably in that task ....:rofl:

jrandom

21st July 2008, 23:03

No you are right I am a smarmy prick in real life. And I'm still holding a drivers/ Riders licence. Will you be able to say the same thing in a few weeks???

Sigh.

There was always going to be one, I suppose.

Come on man, Smarmy Prick, is that the best you can do.

I wasn't trying to insult you. I was trying to describe you.

You do come across as quite unpleasant, y'know. I'm not trying to take digs at you, here, but you certainly seem to have taken exception to me.

Did a motorcyclist riding 20kph over the limit crash and kill your grandmother, or something?

Mikkel

21st July 2008, 23:10

Go back and read that thread, and try to work out whether that person was having you on at the time.

:msn-wink:

The collective evidence presented on present forum to date, suggest a rather coherent stance on that particular subject - I am tempted to conclude that said person was serious. However, I'd like to be mistaken on that count though.

And leave the winky-wanky smiley for Katman - it suits him better.

Anyway, this thread's not about right or wrong; it's about which radar detector works best. It's funny how some people get a bit het up on the subject, innit?

My point was - and still is - that morals aren't about absolute right and wrong either. But yes, I agree that quite a few reactions witnessed within this thread are rather ridiculous. As I have already said - the Bel STi will be a good investment, but it won't save your arse every time... nothing will.

I do however hope that the proposed legislation banning radar detectors will not be passed. I fear it will be counter productive to the goal of improving road safety.

Gremlin

22nd July 2008, 00:20

talk about feeling the love in this thread :clap: btw... has anyone blamed the tickets on the bike? Can I?

Some people don't realise how much some need license. Yes yes, good argument for perhaps not breaking the damn law in the first place, but lets be honest, a bit of speed, in the right circumstances, no issue. Travelled at 200kph in South Africa when it wasn't so monitored, didn't self combust, did I?

Anyway, that topic thing. My point: Cost of a detector for some, even if it stops only one ticket at 1/10th of the price of the detector, still prevented the ticket.

Having lost my license, I know how incredibly annoying it was. Not rich, but the inconvenience to others (not really myself) affected over a hundred people, millions of dollars in affected companies that deal internationally and their respective customers far outweighed a couple of thousand bucks. All dependent on one license...

jrandom

22nd July 2008, 07:48

I am tempted to conclude that said person was serious.

And I'd be tempted to conclude that someone else was in love with the sound of his own typing, Mr Mikkel.

:msn-wink:

My point was - and still is - that morals aren't about absolute right and wrong either.

I really don't give a rat's arse about morals, here. I just want to know what radar detector works best.

Swoop

22nd July 2008, 08:27

My point: Cost of a detector for some, even if it stops only one ticket at 1/10th of the price of the detector, still prevented the ticket.
ONLY 1/10th of the purchase price??? Most detectors will pay for themself several times over, in its lifetime.

scumdog

22nd July 2008, 08:54

ONLY 1/10th of the purchase price??? Most detectors will pay for themself several times over, in its lifetime.

I've saved a FORTUNE by NOT having a radar detector - of course I never speed either. (Well not since the Island Block incident of '87).

If I got a detector would it somehow cause me to actually gain money:blink:

Swoop

22nd July 2008, 09:05

If I got a detector would it somehow cause me to actually gain money:blink:
Of course. A free set of ginzu knives are included, for a limited time. Call now, our operators are standing by.

If you put a detector on the dash next to the radar unit, would the rest of the guys at the station look at you strange?:laugh:

denill

22nd July 2008, 09:07

I've saved a FORTUNE by NOT having a radar detector - of course I never speed either. (Well not since the Island Block incident of '87).
If I got a detector would it somehow cause me to actually gain money:blink:

Not tryin to change anybodys opinions here. (You'd need an AK47 to even get close!) but I like Scummy's: "Ships are safe in the harbour - but that's not what ships are for...."

Motorcycles could be substituted for ships. And "Motorcycles are safe at 100ks - but that's not what motorcycles are for..............."

scumdog

22nd July 2008, 09:12

Motorcycles could be substituted for ships. And "Motorcycles are safe at 100ks - but that's not what motorcycles are for..............."

True - but some seem to constantly need to cling to a life jacket every time they leave the harbour.....

denill

22nd July 2008, 09:16

True - but some seem to constantly need to cling to a life jacket every time they leave the harbour.....

True. But it's good practice to cling to a life jacket every time your ship leaves the harbour - and use a detector every time your bike goes on the open road.......

scumdog

22nd July 2008, 09:17

True. But it's good practice to cling to a life jacket every time your ship leaves the harbour - and use a detector every time your bike goes on the open road.......

Got by without it so far without financial deficit......

jazzman

22nd July 2008, 09:20

Have an STI Driver. Bought it off Ebay and landed for half the price it is sold for in NZ. However, they are only an aid as others have said only at their best when Plod is permanently switched on. I am always very carefull when there is not much traffic arround other wise brilliant. Never let me down!

denill

22nd July 2008, 09:25

Got by without it so far without financial deficit......

Yeah, but you've got 'Mates'! :Police:

Mikkel

22nd July 2008, 09:27

And I'd be tempted to conclude that someone else was in love with the sound of his own typing, Mr Mikkel.

Was. I haven't been able to get hold of the old clickety-clickety keyboards for ages - so I am afraid I don't get the sexual satisfaction from the sound of my own typing that I used to. :rolleyes:

I am merely observing a slight inconsistency here... No reason to get fidgety just because I am correct.

I really don't give a rat's arse about morals, here. I just want to know what radar detector works best.

You should be pleased then - I, amongst others, told you that you are looking for the Beltronics STi, that was quite a few pages back actually.

scumdog

22nd July 2008, 09:29

Yeah, but you've got 'Mates'! :Police:

Not until the age of 44 I didn't - and once on my bike almost none of them would know who it was yet I don't get stopped.

Most of my riding is outside my area so I'm just another dude on a bike...

jrandom

22nd July 2008, 09:33

Was. I haven't been able to get hold of the old clickety-clickety keyboards for ages - so I am afraid I don't get the sexual satisfaction from the sound of my own typing that I used to.

You just can't beat a proper clicketykeyboard.

I want this (http://www.daskeyboard.com/) for Christmas. (The 'Ultimate' model.)

:love:

I am merely observing a slight inconsistency here... No reason to get fidgety just because I am correct.

No reason to get fidgety just because you weren't able to show at the time that my inconsistent position was actually invalid, either.

:D

You should be pleased then - I, amongst others, told you that you are looking for the Beltronics STi, that was quite a few pages back actually.

Honestly, bro, I don't know what I'd do without you.

:hug:

denill

22nd July 2008, 09:37

Not until the age of 44 I didn't -

40 years ago Mate, no one got stopped. <_< <_<

mokomoa112

22nd July 2008, 09:41

I,ve got an escort 8500 with screamer, and have never looked back.You need to keep your eye,s open for the baddies tho.... knock on wood no more tickets so far! Unfortunately the filth seem very underhanded when issueing tickets, hence the need for detectors.
I have only had a few false alerts with the 8500, it seems to be a very good unit.

scumdog

22nd July 2008, 10:00

40 years ago Mate, no one got stopped. <_< <_<

Are you suggesting I've been riding since the age of 4??:blink:

Or how does your comment have any relevance to mine??:shutup:

denill

22nd July 2008, 10:14

Are you suggesting I've been riding since the age of 4??:blink:
Or how does your comment have any relevance to mine??:shutup:

Ohhh. It's just that pottering around on the road at old man speeds, ya just sound like a boring old man ;)

scumdog

22nd July 2008, 10:23

Ohhh. It's just that pottering around on the road at old man speeds, ya just sound like a boring old man ;)

But I'm still not sure about the '40 years ago nobody got stopped' comment...since I was not driving, riding or even holding a licence back then.

And boring old man I may be (didn't know character showed so much on the internet:msn-wink:) but I've saved tons of money not getting tickets and not buying frivolities like detectors...:bleh:

pritch

22nd July 2008, 10:33

would the rest of the guys at the station look at you strange?:laugh:

You mean differently to the strange looks he gets now? :devil2:

Mikkel

22nd July 2008, 10:39

You just can't beat a proper clicketykeyboard.

I want this (http://www.daskeyboard.com/) for Christmas. (The 'Ultimate' model.)

:love:

WTF! - cool, but is it real or a joke? :scratch:

No reason to get fidgety just because you weren't able to show at the time that my inconsistent position was actually invalid, either.

Now, if my disposition is that there are no right and wrong - then it would be counterproductive of me to try and prove that your position was invalid, wouldn't it.

However, hypocrisy and double-standards deserves to be noted and commented upon at every mention.

Honestly, bro, I don't know what I'd do without you.

You're a clever guy mate - I'm sure that somehow you'd find a way to manage.

jrandom

22nd July 2008, 10:41

WTF! - cool, but is it real or a joke? :scratch:

It's really real! There was a review on /. recently.

Now, if my disposition is that there are no right and wrong - then it would be counterproductive of me to try and prove that your position was invalid, wouldn't it.

I never accused you of nihilism.

I'm sure that somehow you'd find a way to manage.

My confidence is buoyed by your faith.

Mikkel

22nd July 2008, 10:47

It's really real! There was a review on /. recently.

That is awesome! I noticed there was no "ergonomic" version btw :niceone:

I never accused you of nihilism.

How would that be an accusation? Anyway, I sure hope that isn't what it boils down to though. There are days where it feels like it though...

My confidence is buoyed by your faith.

Hope floats - at least so I've heard.

As long as your faith isn't sunk by my confidence it's all good.

denill

22nd July 2008, 10:51

And boring old man I may be (didn't know character showed so much on the internet:msn-wink:) but I've saved tons of money not getting tickets and not buying frivolities like detectors...:bleh:

Ohh, just noticed you ride a Harley! A boring, (seemingly) old man AND on a Harley. Course ya don't need a 'Tector! :whistle:

scumdog

22nd July 2008, 10:53

Ohh, just noticed you ride a Harley! A boring, (seemingly) old man AND on a Harley. Course ya don't need a 'Tector! :whistle:

And I NEVER speed - how boring is THAT!!:2thumbsup

oldrider

22nd July 2008, 11:01

But I'm still not sure about the '40 years ago nobody got stopped' comment...since I was not driving, riding or even holding a licence back then.

Well I certainly was and had a wall full of tickets as a teenager just to prove how dumb I was back then.

That's one thing you do learn about by being fortunate enough to stay alive and get old.

Well old enough to be despised by the young anyway!

Old age is kinda like winning Lotto but just a whole lot more painful. :whistle: John.

denill

22nd July 2008, 11:20

And I NEVER speed - how boring is THAT!!:2thumbsup

Simple answer - Very!

When I HAVE to ride at the boringly stupid speeds arbitrarily set for ALL conditions is the day I stop riding. :yes:

denill

22nd July 2008, 11:36

Hey Scummy. You could buy this <a href=http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10522777>Ariel:</A> :cool: :cool:

scumdog

22nd July 2008, 11:39

Hey Scummy. You could buy this <a href=http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10522777>Ariel:</A> :cool: :cool:

Nah, looks too fast for me.:oi-grr:

(And too cluttered for my tassles to show to their full glory)

Swoop

22nd July 2008, 12:20

I haven't been able to get hold of the old clickety-clickety keyboards for ages - so I am afraid I don't get the sexual satisfaction from the sound of my own typing that I used to. :rolleyes:

TOP TIP: CONVINCE neighbours that you own an old fashioned typewriter by wearing metal thimbles and drumming your fingers on a plastic tray. Every ten seconds ting a wine glass with a pencil and run a butter knife along the teeth of a comb before continuing drumming your fingers.

Morcs

22nd July 2008, 12:25

I have an idea.

Everybody sponsor me to ride round the auckland motorways at night, cruising at 180-200+ too see if my detector fails me.

:scooter:

scumdog

22nd July 2008, 12:28

I have an idea.

Everybody sponsor me to ride round the auckland motorways at night, cruising at 180-200+ too see if my detector fails me.

:scooter:

A ha'penny is on it's way....

Patrick

22nd July 2008, 13:34

Well, one of the main points of this thread has been that money is just money, but losing one's driver's licence is a serious pain in the arse.

What's your take on it, Patrick?

Do you think that radar detectors are a valid tool in certain circumstances, or do you think that anything which gives people an enhanced ability to Break The Law (tm) and remain undetected is a Bad Thing (tm)?

Spend all ya $$$ on whatever ya like. A valid tool, perhaps... but a tool for what? Speeding and hoping not to get caught? I just have a quiet chuckle every time I issue a ticket to someone who has a radar detector and wonder if they think it was money well spent...

's a matter of fair play. Like the Rules of Engagement in war, .....

Like the road code outlining what speed limits are, the signage on the roads warning of what the limits are, the "stands out like dogs balls" patrol cars with disco lights... yeah, you're right. No warnings, very sneaky.....

I've been at the side of the road in a fully marked car, with the lights going, and still they approach 20-30kmph over the limit. There is just no helping some dopey people out there.....

jrandom

22nd July 2008, 13:39

I have an idea.

Everybody sponsor me to ride round the auckland motorways at night, cruising at 180-200+ too see if my detector fails me.

At that speed, it can hardly 'fail' you, inasmuch as its only possible use will be to tell you when you need to start 'cruising' at 250 instead...

Ixion

22nd July 2008, 13:51

Like the road code outlining what speed limits are, the signage on the roads warning of what the limits are, the "stands out like dogs balls" patrol cars with disco lights... yeah, you're right. No warnings, very sneaky.....

I've been at the side of the road in a fully marked car, with the lights going, and still they approach 20-30kmph over the limit. There is just no helping some dopey people out there.....

Nay, anything in marked cars is all fair and above board. I find the Mark II eyeball (I upgraded the old Mk I a while ago) to be quite effective for them. Can't win them all of course , but that's the name of the game .

Gremlin

22nd July 2008, 13:54

the "stands out like dogs balls" patrol cars with disco lights... yeah, you're right. No warnings, very sneaky.....
You've living in the wrong place. I have personally seen a few cars hiding behind bushes, basically invisible until you were almost next them. Also seen a speed van partly hidden, and a couple of hundred metres down the road, a second, even more hidden. Geee, wonder why you would put them right next to each other :rolleyes:

Also, travelling in a car at around 11pm on a Wednesday night I think, going into the office from some work, and two patrol cars parked on the motorway, out of visible range (jammer saw them, we saw them later), within a couple of on ramps of each other, both trying to ping people.

Legal? Guess so... excellent game. They have tools, I have tools, and then its just a game of tag :clap:

scumdog

22nd July 2008, 14:03

Like the road code outlining what speed limits are, the signage on the roads warning of what the limits are, the "stands out like dogs balls" patrol cars with disco lights... yeah, you're right. No warnings, very sneaky..........

My take on this:

Park on an unlit part of the main street in an unmarked car at night with its lights off.

Very effective:2thumbsup

There's no such wanky thing as Rules of Engagement, a win is a win however you do it.

If your on the 'other side' you have detectors, runners, false plates yadda yadda...so we do whatever to counter it.

Old motto; "They have to be lucky EVERY time, we only have to be lucky once".

jrandom

22nd July 2008, 14:04

Spend all ya $$$ on whatever ya like. A valid tool, perhaps... but a tool for what? Speeding and hoping not to get caught?

Pretty much, aye.

Perhaps I should clarify my attitude on this. A few folk seem to think that I'm some kind of dastardly bandit who rides around mooning the Highway Patrol at a hundred miles an hour in rush-hour traffic.

That couldn't be further from the truth. I religiously stick within the 10kph tolerance on motorways and in built-up areas.

However, there are two particular situations that bother me, where I would feel far better if I had a few more 'senses' that could tell me about nearby radar activity:

1. 80kph zones, mostly north of Auckland, which are there essentially because heavy traffic passes that way and the road is not suited to trucks travelling at 100kph.

2. Long open highways in the middle of nowhere, mostly around the central NI, when it's cold and lonely and late and I can potentially cut half-hour chunks off journeys by upping my cruising speed by 20%.

My daily commute to and from the office, conducted entirely below 80kph and never in excess of any speed limits, is a high-risk nightmare in comparison to either of those circumstances, so I have little patience with anyone who tries to tell me I'm endangering myself.

I never 'play' on State Highways.

None of my 'play' riding, which does indeed reach speeds of more than twice the open-road limit (as is the case for many members of this forum) would be in any way affected by a radar detector, and as such has nothing to do with my reasons for wanting one. In fact, I'd almost certainly take it off or disable it for such rides.

Reviewing all of of the points on my licence at the moment, y'see, none of them would be there if I'd had a radar detector at the time.

I ride to the physics of the road, not the letter of the law, and the additional 'eyes' that a good radar detector will give me will be worth every penny.

I am under no illusion that it is a magic charm against speeding tickets. One suspects that the people with detectors whom you've ticketed may have been under that illusion.

Gixxer 4 ever

22nd July 2008, 15:29

None of my 'play' riding, which does indeed reach speeds of more than twice the open-road limit (as is the case for many members of this forum)

:gob: Why would anyone say that in a public forum. :shutup: might be best

Morcs

22nd July 2008, 15:33

:gob: Why would anyone say that in a public forum. :shutup: might be best

Tis true though.

denill

22nd July 2008, 15:34

:gob: Why would anyone say that in a public forum. :shutup: might be best

He was just kidding m'lord. :bleh:

pritch

22nd July 2008, 15:34

"They have to be lucky EVERY time, we only have to be lucky once".

That'd be a damn fine signature line for a member of the :Police:

Now let's see, who is there????? :whistle:

jrandom

22nd July 2008, 15:42

:gob: Why would anyone say that in a public forum. :shutup: might be best

"All statements on this public forum are made for entertainment purposes only. Kiwi Biker does not encourage or support illegal activities. Please direct all related enquiries to the Director of Communications, Kiwi Biker PR Department."

:niceone:

madandy

22nd July 2008, 15:45

It's always the lack of traffic that is the problem down here on the South Island ;)

I dunno what's changed but back in the mid-late 90's I had a Whistler (model eludes me now) that'd give me several KMs advance warning of speed cameras and patrol cars on the roads between Ashvegas and Hornby...maybe the Pleece tools have become much less detectable but I have had as much as 2km warning on the Hauraki plains...and admittedly as little as 300m on some rather excellent countoured terrain.

If you're all alone out there, sure you're on your own indeed.

Apart from the terrible "...speeds of more than twice the open-road limit..." an evil I would never indulge in at all :innocent: jrandom will use his pleece fine distributor detector for its intended purpose and get great value from it.

I'm not anti you coppers but enforcing the speed limits so anally on someroads really does piss people off and if you haven't noticed the general public are growing increasingly unhappy with the perfomance of the entire justice system.

jrandom

22nd July 2008, 15:48

Apart from the terrible "...speeds of more than twice the open-road limit..." an evil I would never indulge in at all :innocent:

Glad to hear that.

Every time you go over 200, a baby angel dies.

...

Personally, I'm working on wiping the motherfuckers out in the hope that it'll shut Edbear up.

:2thumbsup

boomer

22nd July 2008, 15:51

:gob: Why would anyone say that in a public forum. :shutup: might be best

Some people don't posses teh common sense they were born with, just look at the ATNR thread for additional examples.

shafty

22nd July 2008, 15:52

The STi sounds the Bees Knees, but I'm also happy with my Escort 8500. I often get people ask about it (having seen it set up on the Pan Euro), and my standard answers seem to be:

- YES, it works great, but its just one tool of many I use (Hmm, doesn't normally sound that dirty)
- Like burglar alarms - most people buy one AFTER they've been done
- I tone down my speed within 30 km's of a town anyway - in my experience this is a more Cop prevalent zone (closer to the donut shop?)
- There are many well known places its just dumb to speed - eg Karapiro straights, Foxton straights - unless you are well shielded
- While HP can do the "instant on" thing, in my experience most don't - there are plenty of non detector users out there as easy pickings without risking RSI of their pinky

I find it interesting following a HP car, with my detector on - as I'm able to monitor their use of the radar, eg, crawling up the 50km/hr zone hill on the southern exit from Te Kuiti - its a stupid speed zone for such a steep hill straight off the 100 km/hr highway, and a "dead ringer" for easy pickings.

Sure enough, this HP car "pings" a car coming down at maybe 65-70km, - a retirement aged Guy and his wife, prolly never broken a law in his life, and the patrol car pulls a wickedly awkward 3 point turn on the main drag. Dork.

Thats why I use radar detection.

Rant over, time for a lie down:Punk:

Ixion

22nd July 2008, 15:56

Glad to hear that.

Every time you go over 200, a baby angel dies.

...

Personally, I'm working on wiping the motherfuckers out in the hope that it'll shut Edbear up.

:2thumbsup

Ain't no such thing as a baby angel, cos angels don't have dicks. Ergo , no baby angels.

jrandom

22nd July 2008, 15:57

angels don't have dicks

You know this how?

Ixion

22nd July 2008, 15:59

I looked up those nighties they wear.

kiwifruit

22nd July 2008, 16:02

Sure enough, this HP car "pings" a car coming down at maybe 65-70km, - a retirement aged Guy and his wife, prolly never broken a law in his life, and the patrol car pulls a wickedly awkward 3 point turn on the main drag. Dork.

he wouldn't have to pull that dangerous turn if the Guy and his wife weren't breaking the law!!! :spanking:

jrandom

22nd July 2008, 16:04

Some people don't posses teh common sense they were born with...

What, exactly, do you think is going to happen if you talk on a forum about the speeds you ride at?

Your keyboard will combust?

Black helicopters will appear outside your window to take you away?

Nobody cares, bro. It's not as though the cops don't know what goes on. It's not as though anybody with half a tenth of a clue can't look at that GSX-R1000 of yours and realise what it's for.

No point hiding a general truth that everybody was well aware of to start with.

Proper OPSEC around ride organisation to avoid unwanted attention, now, I'm in full support of that, but the whole nudge-nudge wink-wink thing about speed... why bother (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/vbtube_show.php?do=tube&tubeid=39&t=75520)?

shafty

22nd July 2008, 16:10

he wouldn't have to pull that dangerous turn if the Guy and his wife weren't breaking the law!!! :spanking:

Have you joined a cult or something? Surely not the Kiwifruit of old?:oi-grr:

kiwifruit

22nd July 2008, 16:13

Have you joined a cult or something? Surely not the Kiwifruit of old?:oi-grr:

Amen. I've seen the light. Speed is the devil

jrandom

22nd July 2008, 16:14

Have you joined a cult or something? Surely not the Kiwifruit of old?:oi-grr:

kiwifruit's a full-on born-again law-abiding cunt. We don't really talk much these days. Very little in common, etc.

Ixion

22nd July 2008, 16:16

I heard he'd received Jebus into his wife. Or was it entered Jebus' life. Or something like that.

jrandom

22nd July 2008, 16:17

Speed is illegal and bloody expensive too!

Yes.

I'm currently experiencing the effect of too many points.

RiderInBlack

22nd July 2008, 16:28

Ain't no such thing as a baby angel, cos angels don't have dicks. Ergo , no baby angels.No Vagina ether if the movie "Dogma" is to believed so Baby Angels must happen by Mitosis (Heaven must be so boring).
I don't ride with an angel. I ride with a Dragon as they are more durable than angels. They are good for well over 300kpm (hell they can fly a lot faster than that) but have not tested mine that far yet.

Jdogg

22nd July 2008, 16:37

I have had a RD for over 7 years , first a bel now a V1, they are not a license to speed but an extra set of eyes, Never let me down , haven't had anything that you could consider a close call with the RD:Punk: and have even managed to talk a cop down who was trying to bully me into a ticket by saying he had me at X speed blah blah....I just pointed to the V1 and told him he didn't even have his radar on and to stop trying to get easy tickets by lying :2guns:...he thought that I would be a easy sale and admit to anything that he said :nono:.., anywho, they really are only effective if you are doing no more than 15 k over, unless you have super human reflexes......:weird:

Horse

22nd July 2008, 16:39

I think the morons that can't do more 90k till the see passing lanes (then hit the brakes at the end of them) are more of a road hazard i.e.driver frustration leading to dangerous overtaking, than someone slightly over the speed limit. It's a pity the cops don't focus more attention on them.

+1 eleventy million. Around here where shortarse passing lanes are the norm these people are a curse.

Horse

22nd July 2008, 16:43

It's folk like you who put on the brown shirts and swastikas and threw Jewish children into the railway carriages... because that's the law, right?

Not speeding is Just Like Being a Nazi?

I invoke Godwin's Law. Game over: you have failed at Teh Internets.

Anyway, might I suggest you try to be less irritable on the forum?

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jrandom

22nd July 2008, 16:49

Not speeding is Just Like Being a Nazi?

My logic was impeccable.

I invoke Godwin's Law. Game over: you have failed at Teh Internets.

:D

Thank you. I thought nobody was going to pick up on it.

oldrider

22nd July 2008, 16:52

Like the road code outlining what speed limits are, the signage on the roads warning of what the limits are, the "stands out like dogs balls" patrol cars with disco lights... yeah, you're right. No warnings, very sneaky...

Actually Patrick one of the things that really pisses me off is that for all the "revenue" supposedly being gathered from motorists, not enough is being spent on upgrading or sufficiently clear road markings or signage for speed areas.

Both my wife and I have been very confused as to what speed zones we are in for quite long periods of distance when away from our familiar area.

Drift with the traffic and get pinged or slow down and get tail gated and abused try and estimate from the surroundings and get it wrong $$$$$$$.

The only reason I would like a radar detector is to warn me whats around during these moments of uncertainty.

Police "seem" to be unable or not allowed to act with discretion any more, I (and my family members) have been pinged for slight indiscretion in the most ridiculous situations and it only results in us getting highly pissed off with the police and losing respect for them.

Gone are the days of the fair cop by a fair cop, instead of our respected friends they are just another bunch of standover hoodlums in (official) uniform.

I am uncomfortable feeling like this but like it or not that 's the way this government seems to want it. :angry: John. (Generalised rant not directed at any person)