250 vs Boy Racer

[Radar]

How has your 250 gone against a boy racer?

I am not the racer type but a new WRX pulled up along side of me at a stop light on the Hutt Highway and I wondered how my Hyo would do. We were neck and neck up to 90 kph then I backed off figuring he would pull way ahead anyway at higher speeds. Considering I was slow off the mark and never came close to red lining, I was surprised how well my Hyosung did. Later that day a hoody in a Subaru tried the same thing and I beat him clearly. Don't know if he realized I was an old guy on a little 250 but if he did then he must have felt like :bleh: crap!

So how has your 250 done?

My guess is that RR's would beat any cage (up to 90 or 100 kph) but what about other bikes?

[The Pastor]

basicly, if the car doesnt have a turbo, then you're ok. turbos take a bit of skill to beat.

cbr250RR and zxr250 and fzr all do 0-100 in around 5.5 seconds. So if the car can do better that that its going to win, obviously.

How many cars can do that? very few stock ones.

Boy racer cars? maybe they've put a massive turbo on them and can do it in 4-5 seconds.

I dunno, i dont race on the road. its dangerours.................

BUT DANGERS MY MIDDLE NAME!

[kiwifruit]

i get the learn from everyone on my Hyosung :(

[vtec]

Holy crap Kiwifruit? What are you doing on a Hyosung 250??

I've been beaten by a 6 litre v12 merc once on my CBR250RR, but up to about 80kph most cars don't have a shit show. Once over 100 though, my (200hp) Honda prelude has better acceleration than my CBR.

I used to race from every set of traffic lights up to the speed limit anyway. That really helped my launches when I started racing. I'm amazed I didn't wreck that bike's clutch.

CBR250RR - 5.0 seconds 0-100.
Prelude - 6.5 seconds
WRX STI/evo's - 4.0 - 6.0 seconds dependent on mods
My brother's Mitsi GTO heavily modded - about 4.0 seconds.
Hayabusa, 600's and 1000's are all doing about 3.0 seconds.
Hyosung 250 - I'm guessing 6.5 - 7 seconds??
SV650's - guessing 4.0 - 4.5 seconds??

[The Stranger]

This (http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/downloads/carmotorcycleperformancecharts1.htm) of the few sites that stacks car and bike times up against each other for the quarter mile that I have found.
Who knows how accurate it really is, however, it appears fairly realistic.

[marty]

i ran 10.8/220kmh stock after 1/2 dozen runs. pretty special $12000 car that can do that...

[Coyote]

Haven't been beaten on the 400 except by faster bikes, or getting sloppy on the launch versus equal powered bikes. However, I ALWAYS get blitzed by Ford Commodores screaming past me at 140+, seconds after I've got to 100.

[NOMIS]

My Hornet beats most cars i wont bother racing on the motorway unless I can get them to drop to 70km.. I races a new clubby the other day and smoked it onto the motorway. came flying past me when i was at 120 tho.

[roy.nz]

Hey there i had a GT250R and on most traffic light to traffic i could pull most cars, but on the motorway on ramps i was good till bout 100 then them cars blew me away.Not any more on the new bike :-) and when i get the licence back in 3 months :-(

[vtec]

My prelude stripped out got down to 14.8 over the quarter mile. and the CBR250RR on a wet day with traction issues got down to 14.1. Both vehicles stock standard. That makes it quicker than a Ferrari Testarossa which came from the same era. And just as fast over the quarter as a 350Z or a Lotus Esprit V8 turbo, or a 97 corvette. Which would mean that up to 100 it would smoke them. Classic.

I knew they were a kickarse bike but I didn't realise how slow the cars were.

Notice the cars on that list that are up with the bikes in the 10-11 second region have approx 6 times the power. And the McLaren F1 is probably worth $2-5mill these days.

P.S. The prelude had a trapspeed of about 5kph faster than the bike, which means that over 100kph it was a lot faster, it not only got up to speed with the bike but accelerated to a noticeably higher speed. Which is how I reached the conclusion that up to a hundred, the bike is something special, and that's also part of the reason why I think the CBR250RR is the ultimate road bike.

[CB ARGH]

Go my CBR250RR!!! :headbang:

I shall find out how she goes against other road users and report back... once she's actually on the road :sleep:

[NOMIS]

lol wana drag???

[The Pastor]

lol wana drag???
I'll give you a race :D

[HungusMaximist]

Added that you're a light fella I reckon you could go faster.

I don't know much about 250s in acceleration but I reckon most can blast boy racers at the inital start.

[DarkLord]

I'm pretty light too and I've beaten boy racers off the lights before on the Hyo.

T'was fun. :scooter:

[NZDaniel]

I found that up to 160kmph I got the same acceleration as a boy-racer skyline but I was able to take off quicker.






Then the red & blue lights came along... :O

[mark247]

I can beat pretty much anything off the line. At the drags down the quartermile the only cars that were consistently faster than me were the evo's and wrx's with massive hair dryers slapped on them. But come on, 450hp VS 59hp!

I raced one of those VR4 legnums once ( 3l v6 twin turbo ) and he was getting away from me all the way up until about 170k where i passed him, but im guessing he had let the gas off.

Basically anything without a turbo or with a stock turbo, other than worked up V8's, the vfr does ok.

At the end of the day any car running 26psi boost is going to be FAST.

[NOMIS]

I'll give you a race :D

yeh what on??? cbr?

And yes 250's will smoke most car of the intitial start i mean i can hold the revs at around 10grand and scream off the line with out lifting the wheel sometimes and it a bit of a strain on the arms fun tho.

[CB ARGH]

yeh what on??? cbr?

And yes 250's will smoke most car of the intitial start i mean i can hold the revs at around 10grand and scream off the line with out lifting the wheel sometimes and it a bit of a strain on the arms fun tho.

Remind me not to buy your bike when you sell it. :buggerd:

[NOMIS]

Remind me not to buy your bike when you sell it. :buggerd:

awww why not??? come on its rev's out at 17grand and it not like I do it every se of lights lol. once or twice ;-)

[woza]

i have gtir pulsar (2.0lt turbo), and it is much faster than my bike to 100kph and after 100kph there is no competition... however off the lights my bike will easily get away from the car, unless I launch the car hard. The car would do 0-100 in approx. 5 seconds, but I would still never race a bike at the lights as the speed limit is generally 50kph anyway... no real point to it.

[The Pastor]

yeah, mc22

[NOMIS]

yeah, mc22

hmm il give it a go, please tell me your 6ft hahaha

[Morcs]

Haven't been beaten on the 400 except by faster bikes, or getting sloppy on the launch versus equal powered bikes. However, I ALWAYS get blitzed by Ford Commodores screaming past me at 140+, seconds after I've got to 100.

Nah commies are slow.

I raced one at the drags. It was a late model SS. ran 14 seconds, I ran 13 flat on my 400.

[FROSTY]

Rephrase the title then--old boy racer on 250 vs boy racer in car :stupid:

[mark247]

Nah commies are slow.

I raced one at the drags. It was a late model SS. ran 14 seconds, I ran 13 flat on my 400.

What 400 was that on? I was only managing 13.7 on my nc30 =/

[svr]

Drag-raced a KR-1sp (250) back in early 90's (easiest $300 I ever won) - it did consistent high 11s over the 1/4 mile - It takes a serious car to go quicker than that (i.e thay normally arrive on a trailer).
If you can find one of those you should have no worries beating cars on your learner licence!

[Morcs]

What 400 was that on? I was only managing 13.7 on my nc30 =/
nc35 :)

13.09 @ 161kph.

I met another guy with an NC35, he had an 18'' rear wheel, and couldnt get close to my times.

[Taz]

Who really cares about light to light drags? small cocks??

[NOMIS]

Who really cares about light to light drags? small cocks??

then why bother posting?

ill answer your question for you..
I wouldnt say "care" as such, but obviously the people who have had something to say..

or are you one of thoes I like to have a opinion about everything people???

[kiwifruit]

Who really cares about light to light drags? small cocks??

What about those of us with small penises AND slow bikes :weep:

[Taz]

:yawn::yawn::yawn:.................

[Coyote]

Nah commies are slow.

I raced one at the drags. It was a late model SS. ran 14 seconds, I ran 13 flat on my 400.
Taking the piss. I don't go further than 100 most of the time (can't afford to be riding let alone get any tickets). And 99% of the time the Holden Falcon I've just blitzed will always show they're more dominant and have bigger balls than you by indignantly screaming ahead. Boi racers do it too, though they don't do it nearly as often. However, they're far more obvious, once they're 100-200m ahead of you'll you see them hit the anchors to a more road legal pace :laugh:

You should try going 100k sometime. There's a few laughs to be had.

[megageoff76]

I got owned on a CBR400 NC29 once by an E-Type Juguar.

But thats what happends when you mistake one for a crappy old
Triumph TC2000.

[Chrislost]

My Hornet beats most cars i wont bother racing on the motorway unless I can get them to drop to 70km.. I races a new clubby the other day and smoked it onto the motorway. came flying past me when i was at 120 tho.

ive never been smoked on the occasions that i have bothered to open it up.

even at the speedlimit on the motorway opening the gas will lift the front and make that skylineGSTTTT4XXX/std/sti/evo9935446/whatever 4 wheeled thing happens to be there disappear.

the trouble is that after about 3 seconds im touching 200, and thats asking for trouble.

leaving the lights is not much different, i let the clutch out and look down at the speedo(now reading 130+) and sigh and look around for (ginger)cops

My GN is fairly heavily modded(in the subtraction of a N and addition of a SXR)

[Dave-]

you're all wrong, the funniest, absolute best is rocking up to the lights next to a boy racer, revving the tits out of the bike, listening as his mates gawf and he revs his engine.

the light go green

tyres scream

and you just sit there for about 3 seconds and watch him fly away as the rest of the population at the lights think the guy's a twat for flying off like that for no real reason.

alternativly, let him have a handicap, then trounce him.

BONUS POINTS! if you do it and he gets busted.

[NOMIS]

half the time i dont even bother to race just like to have a little bit of ffun now and again then i realise somethings trying to race me. haha.

And its normallylights going out onto the motor way where i can actually let it rev a bit in 1st and 2nd, My bike far from fast compared to anything more than 250cc lol , even mums caldina is quicker than it from 60 km onwards.

[megaphat]

My GN is fairly heavily modded(in the subtraction of a N and addition of a SXR)

Haha, thats some fairly hefty 'modification', considering the gn250 is a single cylinder thumper, and the gixxer a 4pot screamer.

:clap:

[Radar]

BONUS POINTS! if you do it and he gets busted.

......... :killingme................:laugh: ......... :killingme

[Radar]

CBR250RR - 5.0 seconds 0-100.
Prelude - 6.5 seconds
WRX STI/evo's - 4.0 - 6.0 seconds dependent on mods
My brother's Mitsi GTO heavily modded - about 4.0 seconds.
Hayabusa, 600's and 1000's are all doing about 3.0 seconds.
Hyosung 250 - I'm guessing 6.5 - 7 seconds??
SV650's - guessing 4.0 - 4.5 seconds??

Good stats, vtec. :2thumbsup

Thanks to everyone else who replied to my topic with relevant comments - its the sort of info I was looking for.
Before I got back into biking, I had no idea 250's could be so fast against cages.

[CB ARGH]

And its normallylights going out onto the motor way where i can actually let it rev a bit in 1st and 2nd,

You sick sick man. Now I want to go to one of those stupid motorway lights and drag my grandma. Those lights would be pretty good too. :scooter:

[NOMIS]

You sick sick man. Now I want to go to one of those stupid motorway lights and drag my grandma. Those lights would be pretty good too. :scooter:

Sorry what does that mean? im talking about lights going out onto a on ramp. Like at st lukes.

[nivram]

I had a guy in Welly city in a Fiat Bambino :laugh: that wanted to race me!!!! Anyway I left him at the light but he just kept following me and was determined to drag me off at every set of lights, the guy then insisted on trying to follow me around Oriental parade at this point I was getting peed of with this joker so I put some space behind me.

The guy followed me around 3kms before tuning off, I just found he whole incident bizarre! Needless to say my Hyo performed well not that a 500cc Bambino was a challenge.

[Dave-]

i had i think an integra with a 44 gallon drum sized exhaust a few weeks ago on madras, basically straight with a bit of a bridge lots of lights, I bet him at every set easy, and I was footing down at each set, he was roll starting.

dunno what speed i got to (no way am I taking my attention away from the road ahead or the tard in the 2 tonne metal box behind me for even a moment) but i got home and was all hopped up on the 'drenaline.

[CB ARGH]

Sorry what does that mean? im talking about lights going out onto a on ramp. Like at st lukes.

Yeah mate I also meant the same thing, the motorway traffic lights. Two lanes usually, one vehicle per lane per green, drag time! :headbang:

[NOMIS]

Yeah mate I also meant the same thing, the motorway traffic lights. Two lanes usually, one vehicle per lane per green, drag time! :headbang:

Lol damn straight. its a bit of fun any way. and I dont see the prob with raping it to 100km,

[BANZAI]

My GiNxxxxxer250RRSS VTEC super-turbo can keep up with WRX till 60kph :bleh:

I think most 125cc+ bike has no problem in straight against cars at least till 60kph (unless they have Catherham Super Seven Superlight or F1 car)

Corners are different story eh... It was fuking scary when guy in MR2 overtook me in tight left corner on 50k limit one lane narrow road (I was taking that corner very slow coz I thought I cant go there doing 50kph) :angry2::bash:

Wish I had Rossi skill and take all big bikes and boy racers in everycorner with GN Muahahahahaha :laugh:

[Slyer]

Rossi skills and rossi balls are involved. ;)

[avgas]

man just reading this thread i can smell the bullshit.
I'm off to go gorge myself on the sexy new Lotus Evora.........

[NOMIS]

man just reading this thread i can smell the bullshit.
.........

Close your mouth may help??? :-)












Or stop licking bulls arse

[Dave-]

how come if cages are oh so much faster and better in corners do they all slow down for them?

"yeah that's right....slow down to 10kph....yep now take 3 months to get back to 50kph....ohh another corner better slow down a bit...."

[scumdog]

Who really cares about light to light drags? small cocks??

Boy racers mainly - cos it LOOKS quick

Which is why so few ever turn up at a real 1/4 mile, oh the embarrassment when they find they can only do a 15 second 1/4 after telling everybody "it's a 12 second car no sweat"

[NOMIS]

Boy racers mainly - cos it LOOKS quick

Which is why so few ever turn up at a real 1/4 mile, oh the embarrassment when they find they can only do a 15 second 1/4 after telling everybody "it's a 12 second car no sweat"

Hey where talking bikes vs cars??? ill take my bike id say it would do mid to high 14's doesnt really fuss me. I just like riding it.

[Zuki Bandit]

I get boy racers trying to have a go with me often.
Not sure how my bandit would stack up in a street drag though.

I just crack up to myself and think, one day fellas...one day.

[Brett]

I get beaten by standard toyota corolla's all the time.

[mark247]

I get beaten by standard toyota corolla's all the time.

Try putting the bike in gear

[DEATH_INC.]

Where do you guys find these slow ass cars? or maybe drivers? Anyone got a skyline I can borrow to race some 2 fiddys? Don't really think the company ute will do it......not for more than a few feet anyhoo.....but I've driven plenty of cars that would. A stock VR4 auto will do 0-100 in around 6 secs ( I've timed it), and they're relatively slow.... :banana:

[NOMIS]

Where do you guys find these slow ass cars? or maybe drivers? Anyone got a skyline I can borrow to race some 2 fiddys? Don't really think the company ute will do it......not for more than a few feet anyhoo.....but I've driven plenty of cars that would. A stock VR4 auto will do 0-100 in around 6 secs ( I've timed it), and they're relatively slow.... :banana:

Ill race that vr4 and a gayline slower, well rb20det ones anyway, (standard)
my mummies caldina pretty close to my bike 0-100 on a rolling start that is but still beat it

[brendonjw]

Hmmm lets see, caldinas (even the turbo ones) are still pretty slow, a RB20det skyline, well that would be a old R32 one, and they aint exactly fast, Why dont you go find a real turbo'd car instead of a people mover (actually i know of a certain Autech Nissan Stagea if you want to go against a station wagon hehe)

My bike would probably be quicker down the strip than my silvia (which is non turb) but i know my silvia would leave it for dead in the twisties

[NOMIS]

Hmmm lets see, caldinas (even the turbo ones) are still pretty slow, a RB20det skyline, well that would be a old R32 one, and they aint exactly fast, Why dont you go find a real turbo'd car instead of a people mover (actually i know of a certain Autech Nissan Stagea if you want to go against a station wagon hehe)

My bike would probably be quicker down the strip than my silvia (which is non turb) but i know my silvia would leave it for dead in the twisties

What kinda twisty's? i know lincolnd rd off ramp i can hit faster than I can in mate sti, and mumys caldina the trd spec one with biger injectors and 10psi boost instead of factory 5psi. ID say it goes pretty well. and yeh r32 are slow, mind u my mates sti neck and neck to 100

[Dave-]

im supose to be having a play with a wrx sti RA at some stage in the next week

[NOMIS]

im supose to be having a play with a wrx sti RA at some stage in the next week

what series? v5 go the hardest I rekon, but nicest in general that ive actually had the pleaseure to drive has been a version 9

[BANZAI]

Anyone had race against new GTR yet? :whistle:

[NOMIS]

Anyone had race against new GTR yet? :whistle:

Lol i hate skylines all of them EXCEPT THE R35 GTR ooooohhhh maaannnnn,.... !!!!!!!!!!1 sooo sexy I almost crashed about a week ago on my bike staring at one. you no when a hot chick walks by and you know you shouldnt turn to look at her ass but you do any way. yehh thats like that gtr oh man saw it turning up to the AKL uni from port.

you should challenge him on your gn ;-)

[BANZAI]

Lol i hate skylines all of them EXCEPT THE R35 GTR ooooohhhh maaannnnn,.... !!!!!!!!!!1 sooo sexy I almost crashed about a week ago on my bike staring at one. you no when a hot chick walks by and you know you shouldnt turn to look at her ass but you do any way. yehh thats like that gtr oh man saw it turning up to the AKL uni from port.

you should challenge him on your gn ;-)

Hehehe I know how you feel, when hot-girl drives sexy car that make things even worse!!! :bleh:

Certain models of Skylines are ok with me but I'm Rotary fan :cool:
According to Mr.Ghosn GTR doesnt belong to Skyline family anymore lol

So yea its G T R not Skyline!!! Nice car, very nice car :niceone:

I saw Black GTR otherday but I was walking unfortunately :laugh:

I will challange it whenever I have chance to :msn-wink:

[PirateJafa]

How the hell can you ramble on about cars so much Banzai when you can't evn drive 'em? :P

[mark247]

can we start talking about real cars ( or even bikes?? ) and not bags of rice now plz.

[Slyer]

For the record Banzai stalled my Celica 4 times before giving up.
This was reversing and going straight on a flat surface. ;)

[NOMIS]

For the record Banzai stalled my Celica 4 times before giving up.
This was reversing and going straight on a flat surface. ;)

hahaha are u joking? jeeez lol

[BANZAI]

Arggg don't tell this to people!!

Just because I forgot to take Handbreak off.... :o

[CB ARGH]

Arggg don't tell this to people!!

Just because I forgot to take Handbreak off.... :o

I drove to work with the handbrake on when I first got the Pulsar. What a shit handbrake it is too, it creaks as I get in whenever it's on a slope, and I only weigh 80KG, so you can't call me a fat ass!

BTW they showed the new GTR on Campbell Live, god it sounded nice... nice fuel bills too :innocent:

[BANZAI]

I drove to work with the handbrake on when I first got the Pulsar. What a shit handbrake it is too, it creaks as I get in whenever it's on a slope, and I only weigh 80KG, so you can't call me a fat ass!

BTW they showed the new GTR on Campbell Live, god it sounded nice... nice fuel bills too :innocent:

Obviously Celica's handbreak was doing what it suppose to do :p

I drove Pulsar before, so give me yours and I will prove that I can drive manual car!!!!!

Yea it weighs almost 2tonne (1.8t i think?) and twin turbo V6 not gonna help reduce the fuel bill :whistle:

But people can buy GTR got money to pay thier petrol anyway...

[vtec]

See that's the problem, I can't believe they build an awesome sports car, and then make it nearly two tonnes. What a joke, they need to shave half a tonne off it before I'd consider it to be a true race bred machine.

[BANZAI]

See that's the problem, I can't believe they build an awesome sports car, and then make it nearly two tonnes. What a joke, they need to shave half a tonne off it before I'd consider it to be a true race bred machine.

Thats common problem of Nissan. They make "super-cars" and it's usually super heavy. They had weight problem when they were racing R34 too, I think it was much heavier than Supra...

That's why Mazda is awsome car manufacturer. :D

When they made previous RX-7 they shaved a gram off from every single bolt and nut etc to make the car light as possible.

Mmm shall we make this thread "Let's talk about car here!" thread? :lol:

[avgas]

When they made previous RX-7 they shaved a gram off from every single bolt and nut etc to make the car light as possible.

Looks like a new RX7 or Cosmo is on the way - I saw the orginal Cosmo when i went to visit APIA(?) in Kyoto last year.......that 60's car was so cool.
Unless of course they actually release the furai! (CLICK ME (http://farrst.blogspot.com/2008/05/finally-good-mazda.html)) then i may just have to go shopping

[Slyer]

I hate all mazda drivers. No exceptions.

[avgas]

I hate all mazda drivers. No exceptions.
ride a cbr250RR do you?
i dont drive a mazda - but im pretty unbiased when it comes to cars. i like good ones and hate shits ones.

[mark247]

I hate all mazda drivers. No exceptions.

MAZDA ROTASPORT REPPZZZZZZZZZ
*vomits*

[aerobubb1]

Mazdas are trick however my rx8 feels very slow and disapointing after getting off the triumph although I did go for a ride in an rx7 the other day that made the triumph feel very slow :crybaby: it was 400hp at the wheels though! quite petrifying in a car that weighs a little over 1 ton:gob:

[NOMIS]

i drove a rx8 the other day last sat, found it okay hated the rx7 series 6 i got to take for a spin a while bak but was surprised my the 8, then i drove a gti golf about 10 min after found that more fun turns and stops like nothing else :-)

Prefer a new gtr but havnt driven one... yet

[Mr. Rock]

I hate all mazda drivers. No exceptions.

great point.. im with you on that. only difference is i hate there cars as well. they researched a pathetic little engine that still breaks and sucks a fat one.

if i was to own a quick car give me a blowen v8 any day.. goodbye jap shit.


back to the point tho. my hyo i went up agains a heavily modded turbo pulsar, at the first set of lights i gave him a little to show i was interested. at the next set i tempted him with a glance and he gave a rev of his car back.. so i nailed it when the light went green, i heard his turbo spool up...then some valve bounce as he thrashed his car, faintly heard his BOV as he changed to second and by this point i eased off and looked back to see i was a good 3-4 car lenghts ahead. quite a nice win i thought.

[BANZAI]

MAZDA ROTASPORT REPPZZZZZZZZZ
*vomits*


great point.. im with you on that. only difference is i hate there cars as well. they researched a pathetic little engine that still breaks and sucks a fat one.

if i was to own a quick car give me a blowen v8 any day.. goodbye jap shit.


back to the point tho. my hyo i went up agains a heavily modded turbo pulsar, at the first set of lights i gave him a little to show i was interested. at the next set i tempted him with a glance and he gave a rev of his car back.. so i nailed it when the light went green, i heard his turbo spool up...then some valve bounce as he thrashed his car, faintly heard his BOV as he changed to second and by this point i eased off and looked back to see i was a good 3-4 car lenghts ahead. quite a nice win i thought.

Yeah right, Rotary is only Jap manufacture engine that won Le Mans 24hr, it's lighter than V8s, its compact than RB26DETT and it revs more than VTEC.

I think EVOs and WRXs waste blowen v8s in corners, but probly you can catch up in straight. But then modded GTR and Supra would do 350kmph+ and RX-7 is nicely balanced for both :p

but yea people do have preferences and nothing can beat Koeeeeeniiiiiigsegggggggggggggg (caparo T1 would but then it's not street legal).


Nice victory for you against Pulsar! :first:

I need more power to keep up with standard Corolla lol



Mazdas are trick however my rx8 feels very slow and disapointing after getting off the triumph although I did go for a ride in an rx7 the other day that made the triumph feel very slow :crybaby: it was 400hp at the wheels though! quite petrifying in a car that weighs a little over 1 ton:gob:

Can I have a go on your 8 and Triumph? :drool:


i drove a rx8 the other day last sat, found it okay hated the rx7 series 6 i got to take for a spin a while bak but was surprised my the 8, then i drove a gti golf about 10 min after found that more fun turns and stops like nothing else :-)

Prefer a new gtr but havnt driven one... yet

Gti is nice little car, hot-hatches are always nice. Practical and fast.

[Slyer]

LOL "Jap shit"
Whatever.

[mud boy]

How has your 250 gone against a boy racer?

I am not the racer type but a new WRX pulled up along side of me at a stop light on the Hutt Highway and I wondered how my Hyo would do. We were neck and neck up to 90 kph then I backed off figuring he would pull way ahead anyway at higher speeds. Considering I was slow off the mark and never came close to red lining, I was surprised how well my Hyosung did. Later that day a hoody in a Subaru tried the same thing and I beat him clearly. Don't know if he realized I was an old guy on a little 250 but if he did then he must have felt like :bleh: crap!

So how has your 250 done?

My guess is that RR's would beat any cage (up to 90 or 100 kph) but what about other bikes?

hmmm what about a RS250?? wounder how that would go lol:first:

[quallman1234]

I have beaten a fair amount of car's up to a 110, on my trusty RG150. In fact i haven't lost. But i know how to pick my fights :sweatdrop

[speights_bud]

hmmm what about a RS250?? wounder how that would go lol:first:

I was just thinking that, should take my NSR along to the drags when its all tweaked/put back together, i guess it comes down to torque, though it should be ok once its rollin and them powervalves kick in :devil2:

[racefactory]

I was just thinking that, should take my NSR along to the drags when its all tweaked/put back together, i guess it comes down to torque, though it should be ok once its rollin and them powervalves kick in :devil2:

What's your nsr putting out? stock- that would kill any turbo car up to 350hp, late 300's...

[Mr. Rock]

Yeah right, Rotary is only Jap manufacture engine that won Le Mans 24hr, it's lighter than V8s, its compact than RB26DETT and it revs more than VTEC.

and breaks more than all of them in real life, i'm not sure if its just there drivers dont take care of them or they do just suck but i have a couple of mates with 7s one series 4 and another with a series 6 and they both havnt lasted on the road longer than 3 months before some thing breaks.

course the WRX and evo would destroy in corners (well you would hope so) but drag strip acceleration and 1/4 times i'd back a blowen v8 :rolleyes:

as for one the road.. i dont think ill be driving a car again!! sooo :clap: i owned a GTB legacy with just shy of 300HP and it bored me senseless, bang for buck and full on experience and adrenaline :devil2: etc bikes are the way to go. but obviously i dont speed on my bike or cue jump or anything illegal:innocent:

[NOMIS]

Go the STI's funny how on paper Evos are meant to be better from my experiances with both cars Subarus are nicer to drive have nicer interiors and go harder,,, weird Gota love the subys , 3 of my past mates now own subys because of me going on and on about them 2 of them used to have evolutions, A guy I know still has one he spent 60k plus on and said not long ago he wish he started off on a suby.

[Mr. Rock]

yea my subaru did me well a. tidy gripped like know ones business and was reasonably quick

[speights_bud]

What's your nsr putting out? stock- that would kill any turbo car up to 350hp, late 300's...

I wouldn't like to say, although it came out of a bike that was being Raced in greece by a kiwi rider, rumour has it around 65-70 Hp, but i have no idea what it'll be doing once its back together again, it ran the main centre bearing which is a doozey to replace, so its old crank out and new one in :) then a top end rebuild for good measure.

It's got all the JHA Expansion chambers, cans etc, MC-21 HRC barrels, HRC computer, converted back to wet clutch etc yadda yadda yadda...

[racefactory]

wow that thing must haul arse.65- 70 at wheel? that's wicked!

[speights_bud]

Like i said, i don't really know, just what a previous owner told me, might throw it at a dyno when its all built and really see what it's doin

[BANZAI]

and breaks more than all of them in real life, i'm not sure if its just there drivers dont take care of them or they do just suck but i have a couple of mates with 7s one series 4 and another with a series 6 and they both havnt lasted on the road longer than 3 months before some thing breaks.

yea my subaru did me well a. tidy gripped like know ones business and was reasonably quick

It's probly because of owner tho, Rotary does need servicing every 5000km and whole thing needs to be replace every 50000km or something, I read at somewhere but can't remember.

And they hates heat so stuck in traffic everyday commuting is not a good thing for Rotary powered car.

But if I have money I wan't Rotary powered MX-5 or Catherham 7 (Number plate will be ROTAS7 :p)


Go the STI's funny how on paper Evos are meant to be better from my experiances with both cars Subarus are nicer to drive have nicer interiors and go harder,,, weird Gota love the subys , 3 of my past mates now own subys because of me going on and on about them 2 of them used to have evolutions, A guy I know still has one he spent 60k plus on and said not long ago he wish he started off on a suby.

Yea it's faster than EVO on GT4 as well XD

But when it comes to tuning EVO laps Tsukuba faster than WRX or GTR, hmmm weirdness...

[Mr. Rock]

yea rotas need a lot of love to stay on the road.

[NOMIS]

Yea it's faster than EVO on GT4 as well XD

But when it comes to tuning EVO laps Tsukuba faster than WRX or GTR, hmmm weirdness...

Its weird as some people probaly wont believe this, but a mate of mine has a white version 5 sti ( cuises around west alot ) as far as we know its completly standard boosting 1.1bar that thing will destroyb any other factory evo and sti it flys nobody knows why joe jyle gave his car a good going over and couldnt find any obvious mods but even he said it hauls arse more than any other sti. will pull from nearly anything with out droping past 4th gear at 100km anything with a bit of mods and he myte have to go to 3rd. He did have a exeedy clutch that was far to strong for his car and cost him 3 gear boxes from hard launches but that came out so all back to factory again, just exhaust and pod filter

[BANZAI]

I had really fun ride yesterday! LOL

I was taking long way back from Botany to Town after work (Non motorway through Auckland uni Tamaki Campus and Kohimarama)

When I was taking a right hand corner after Eastridge Shoppin Centre, Guy on Legacy appeared in my rear view mirror, pretty close to me and I can see that he is trying to over take me.

Blocked his line through corner and there were long straight afterwards so I tried to accerelate as hard as I can as well as try to block him (he did try to overtake me using shoulder and stuff so was weaving in front of him :p)

He did eventually overtake me using other side of road and when he came past just beside me I shifted down and try to catch him but there were no way little GN can compete in middle range accerelation so he left me...

Catched him up in corners because he couldnt overtake several slowcars in front of him (due to traffic coming towards us lol)

Then we were stuck a bit and he took off to other direction, so no time to pay him back!!! :lol:


But yea was fun racing against cars lol

Wish I have more POWWERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

It was standard Legacy with non turbo I think? Reckon 4cyl Hornet can go against them or need something over 400??


*this story is fiction

[aewilliam]

Nailing a porsche boxter at lights on a 50cc after being tailgated through newmarket and remmers. dumbass stalled his trophy. satisfaction epitomised. :banana:

Did a modded 306 GTi (with BOV so i guess it mustv been turboed) at the lights at motorway onramp with my RS250, but seemed to bog at around 90-110. But think it was more of MY bike than RS250s in general tho... :weep:

[cameltoe]

I was going to work going across the motorway bridge and these boy racers in a crappy R32 were purposly holding me up, they were going about 35k in a 80k. So I passed them and for good measure kept speeding up way past a hundy, about 2 k down the road I slow down to 50k to take the corner going to work and the bloddy boy racers passed me at about 180-200k with a mere metre between the car and the bike. needless to say scared the shit out of me.

[PirateJafa]

in a 80k. So I passed them and for good measure kept speeding up way past a hundy

And you don't think you were asking for it? :slap:

[Jerry74]

BOY RACERS SHOULD BE MADE ILLEGAL !!!

Little bastards, can't drive for shit either.

At least when we were that age we drove V8's not rice burners

[PirateJafa]

BOY RACERS SHOULD BE MADE ILLEGAL !!!

Little bastards, can't drive for shit either.

They're just squids with more wheels.

[Jerry74]

They're just squids with more wheels.

Could not agree more :first:

[BANZAI]

BOY RACERS SHOULD BE MADE ILLEGAL !!!

Little bastards, can't drive for shit either.

At least when we were that age we drove V8's not rice burners

Boy racers should be illegal!

But Jap cars are the best!

We (yes I'm from the land of rising sun!!!!!) are the best! :p

BANZAAAAAAAAAAI :bleh:

[NOMIS]

Boy racers should be illegal!

But Jap cars are the best!

We (yes I'm from the land of rising sun!!!!!) are the best! :p

BANZAAAAAAAAAAI :bleh:

this aint WWII some crazy japa ona gn lol , I wouldnt of been on that ride if it was ;-)

[racefactory]

I had really fun ride yesterday! LOL



It was standard Legacy with non turbo I think? Reckon 4cyl Hornet can go against them or need something over 400??


*this story is fiction

You're fucking kidding me right? A 250 4cyl will fuck a standard legacy... they are very average and what's more, heavy, pieces of shit. If you know how to ride it, anyone of the 250 CBR ZXR FZR will do the same 0- 100 and quarter mile times as standard TURBO charged jap cars... 4.8- 5 secs for 0- 100kph and 15 secs for a 400m time Anyone of the 279hp jap standard turbo cars will not do it faster than 15 secs and that is excluding turbo legacy which are even heavier pieces of shite than the real turbo jappers... Again- you just need to know how to ride it and launch it.

as for needing a 400 for beating a standard legacy- you must be dreaming... a VFR400 NC30 or a 250 2 stroke with someone who know's how to ride will go to 100kph in late 3's.. and quarter miles in late 12 seconds... that will beat any non- lightened jap car up to about 380hp... and then you've got turbo lag on top of that. It's all about the rider.

Me thinks maybe you're getting used to the power of that GN aren't you lol? dude! other 250's are worlds faster than a GN :)

[Gubb]

BOY RACERS SHOULD BE MADE ILLEGAL !!!

Little bastards, can't drive for shit either.

At least when we were that age we drove V8's not rice burners

...Says the man on the Kawasaki.

[NOMIS]

You're fucking kidding me right? A 250 4cyl will fuck a standard legacy... they are very average and what's more, heavy, pieces of shit. If you know how to ride it, anyone of the 250 CBR ZXR FZR will do the same 0- 100 and quarter mile times as standard TURBO charged jap cars... 4.8- 5 secs for 0- 100kph and 15 secs for a 400m time Anyone of the 279hp jap standard turbo cars will not do it faster than 15 secs and that is excluding turbo legacy which are even heavier pieces of shite than the real turbo jappers... Again- you just need to know how to ride it and launch it.

as for needing a 400 for beating a standard legacy- you must be dreaming... a VFR400 NC30 or a 250 2 stroke with someone who know's how to ride will go to 100kph in late 3's.. and quarter miles in late 12 seconds... that will beat any non- lightened jap car up to about 380hp... and then you've got turbo lag on top of that. It's all about the rider.

Me thinks maybe you're getting used to the power of that GN aren't you lol? dude! other 250's are worlds faster than a GN :)

agreed considering i can beat a brand new clubby to 100 no problems .. however carrying on to 120 i was getting pulled in like no tomorrow.

Also on par with mates worked silvia ( around 340-350 hp ) boosting 17lbs to 100 and this on my leagacy strugling Hornet. lol

[BANZAI]

You're fucking kidding me right? A 250 4cyl will fuck a standard legacy...

It's all about the rider.

Me thinks maybe you're getting used to the power of that GN aren't you lol? dude! other 250's are worlds faster than a GN :)

XD

Yea ok, I only have single cylinder and 22hp. Plus I'm still a n00b...

There's no way I can win against cars.... (yet)

[vtec]

Most 280Hp Japper car will generally do a 14 flat, which is about the same as 250 fourstroke motorbikes, although up to 80kph, the motorbikes are much quicker, after 100 the cars will reel you in. The Legacy GTB 280HP will only do a 15 flat.

Got my 200HP (at the crank) Honda prelude down to 14.8seconds.

[NOMIS]

Most 280Hp Japper car will generally do a 14 flat, which is about the same as 250 fourstroke motorbikes, although up to 80kph, the motorbikes are much quicker, after 100 the cars will reel you in. The Legacy GTB 280HP will only do a 15 flat.

Got my 200HP (at the crank) Honda prelude down to 14.8seconds.

thats bloody good for a prelude, I want to race my little hornet see what i can pull on it. and actually one car ive never seen do faster than 14.5 thats 280 + horse its the standard gts-t skyline. there slow.

[vtec]

Haha, Yeah, the GTS-T trash boyracer/bogan car of choice.

Still I shouldn't throw stones. I'm fond of my 1995 Prelude, but that's because it's one of the most underestimated cars ... ever. Great sleeper for traffic light sprints.

[Timati]

How about Holdens and Fords?

[mrchips]

agreed considering i can beat a brand new clubby to 100 no problems .. however carrying on to 120 i was getting pulled in like no tomorrow

Yup, Clubbies only really start to open up past 120 kays .... once you get into third gear that is :laugh:

[NOMIS]

Yup, Clubbies only really start to open up past 120 kays .... once you get into third gear that is :laugh:

I worked for holden for 3 years... up untill the vz release didnt get a chance in a VE. none of them special. new walkinshaw maybe but how many people own them...?

[The Flux Capacita]

i hate boy racers...if they rev their engines and shit at the lights then anticipate the green...get in front of them and slow down so they're blocked haha it'l piss them off...better yet..if your in auckland go slow enough so that you get orange and boost it before it goes red so they get stuck

[The Flux Capacita]

those subaru's (the good ones) are fast if you know how to drive them

[NOMIS]

those subaru's (the good ones) are fast if you know how to drive them

damn straight they are mate.. go the STI's ;-)

[notme]

Yeah Subaru's are ok.....I suppose......

The flatmate's very fastasfuk STi RA (very top of the line lightened, tuned version, only 1000 made each model year.....) with aftermarket parts to boot almost had me the other week when we were at the drags.

Took me most of second gear to catch up the head start I gave him....but I did apologise when he finally appeared at the other end - had to finish my sandwich first though. :lol:

[NOMIS]

Yeah Subaru's are ok.....I suppose......

The flatmate's very fastasfuk STi RA (very top of the line lightened, tuned version, only 1000 made each model year.....) with aftermarket parts to boot almost had me the other week when we were at the drags.

Took me most of second gear to catch up the head start I gave him....but I did apologise when he finally appeared at the other end - had to finish my sandwich first though. :lol:

yeh the ra not the quickest of the lot, friend of mine got a version 5 sti, "standard" aprantly but that thing seriously shits on any other sti , evo beat a 34 gtr v spec, thing just flys and is on standard boost, has airfilter and exhaust thats it,

[notme]

'Tis not the forum to discuss it, but from what I know (and narrowing down the Suby models can be tricky, year to year variances etc) the V-limited, STi RA is the cream of the crop.

The STI and STI RA engines are the same, but the RA engine has some little changes, eg the valve lifters which enables it to rev higher;RA engine has 7,800 rpm red line in comparison with the Standard STI that has only 7,200;The RA has slightly stronger internals. bhp should be about 21 more than the STi .The RA ECU has a fifth injector, and is lightened so the power increase makes even more of a difference. The RA has different gearbox ratios than all other STi's, for harder acceleration and less difference between gears.

I've piloted the thing a fair bit, and it's quite a thrill....until I get back on my much cheaper and much more factory standard motorcycle. Then the Suby feels slow as a retarded elephant. :yawn:

[avgas]

those subaru's (the good ones) are fast if you know how to drive them
The only time i have been in a 22B WRC - it scared the shit out of me

[NOMIS]

The only time i have been in a 22B WRC - it scared the shit out of me

try the st06 ( cant remember if thats what they are called ) but they where the highest powered jap car like 320kw now that smokes a 22b

[racefactory]

You guys sure about 280 turbo cars doing sub 15 seconds 400 m? Surely it must be somewhat tweaked...

I've been to the sprints a few times and have never seen a stock turbo class do under 15.. ever. very very close to it but nothing like a 14.5. Then again, they may not know how to drive it properly but you would have to be pretty fucking good driver to get it under 15?

What i'd like to hear are some stories of de restricted 250 2 strokes vs tuned 350- 400hp cars.. now that'd be a good battle...

[vtec]

A slightly tweaked (increased boost) evo/wrx/GTO/skyline/ should do low 14's or even 13's with a reasonable driver. 15 would be an unboosted car with an average driver.

One of my friends only got 15.1 in his twin turbo GTB wagon, was just too heavy. My brother in his modified Mitsi GTO got low 13's. Most vtec hondas (highperformance models) will manage low 14's to 15's.

Standard V8's (Holdens and Fords) they just weigh far too much, only do about 14s hahahaha.

I want a VFR400, easy 13's :). I get carried away on the 600's and they don't split anywhere near aswell as my CBR250RR.

Well modified turbos will be capable of 11's and 12's. My brother's working on making his GTO an 11 second car... but he's blown so much damn money on it. I'll just borrow my dads Hayabusa and put a 10 down to show him up ahahahhaha. He only got round Pukekohe in 1.16... I did 1.15.1 on my CBR250RR hahahahah.

[racefactory]

1.15 on a CBR250 fuck me that's fast. You must have been standing that thing on it's front braking to get that time... How many meters out was your braking point for the hairpin on the CBR250 by the way?

[koba]

You guys sure about 280 turbo cars doing sub 15 seconds 400 m? Surely it must be somewhat tweaked...

I've been to the sprints a few times and have never seen a stock turbo class do under 15.. ever. very very close to it but nothing like a 14.5. Then again, they may not know how to drive it properly but you would have to be pretty fucking good driver to get it under 15?

What i'd like to hear are some stories of de restricted 250 2 strokes vs tuned 350- 400hp cars.. now that'd be a good battle...

From memory:
Best motoring in japan pulled 13.8 out of a standard (then new) Mr2 turbo.
cant remember the other times but the fastest jappas were the special godzilla and GTO twinturbo MR , both in the 13's.
The "average godzilla was next I think.
It was proper strip, good tyres and pro driver situation.

[koba]

Why is it cars have sooo much more bullshit crap talk associated with them?
Is it because a far lower percentage of cagers actually race the things?

"My 286.2554 Horspower (never dynoed but I got some wank stickers so thats gotta count and im never going to actually race it properly so I can bullshit all I want) Mitsushitbi Illusion does a (morebullshit) 12 second quarter mile.

I know it is kinda true coz the one on the fast and the furio....."

Blah blah blah...

I really do get sick of hearing it, it just doesnt happen the same with bikes, not with people I know anyway.

[koba]

back to the point tho. my hyo i went up agains a heavily modded turbo pulsar, at the first set of lights i gave him a little to show i was interested. at the next set i tempted him with a glance and he gave a rev of his car back.. so i nailed it when the light went green, i heard his turbo spool up...then some valve bounce as he thrashed his car, faintly heard his BOV as he changed to second and by this point i eased off and looked back to see i was a good 3-4 car lenghts ahead. quite a nice win i thought.

Example, If he said escort - yes but valve bounce in a "modern" injected japper... :rolleyes:

[koba]

Like i said, i don't really know, just what a previous owner told me, might throw it at a dyno when its all built and really see what it's doin

Example of what I know as someone who actually races bikes sucessfully won't be drawn on bullshit numbers that he knows don't really mean turds anyway...

[Whynot]

At least when we were that age we drove V8's not rice burners

So that makes you like 10-15 times cooler than them.

[scumdog]

Why is it cars have sooo much more bullshit crap talk associated with them?
Is it because a far lower percentage of cagers actually race the things?

"My 286.2554 Horspower (never dynoed but I got some wank stickers so thats gotta count and im never going to actually race it properly so I can bullshit all I want) Mitsushitbi Illusion does a (morebullshit) 12 second quarter mile.

I know it is kinda true coz the one on the fast and the furio....."

Blah blah blah...

I really do get sick of hearing it, it just doesnt happen the same with bikes, not with people I know anyway.

I know what ya mean - Cb videod my last go at the 1/4 mile.
My step-son had some mates around for a party, showed the video.

After watching the 'old-skool' rods (my truck included) going down the 1/4 the video then cut to the Skylines, GTOs, WRX etc and the boys said "Hoo, now we'll see some REAL action"

After seeing the above cars turning times slower ( after removing their spare tyres, passenger and rear seats, one headlight etc) than my my 'old-skool' truck ( complete with spare tyre, trolley-jack, full tool-box etc) they went quiet and then turned around and said "what happened?":shit:.

[ital916]

XD

Yea ok, I only have single cylinder and 22hp. Plus I'm still a n00b...

There's no way I can win against cars.... (yet)

don't wanna be a killjoy yui but...if you wanna race and fuck around on yourr ginny even track days are the place to do it, the road is less forgiving if you fuck up trying to race a car, plus your more likely to be spotted by coppers acting the fool and getting ticketed.....and I know you've already been ticketed one acting the fool on your ginnyn:sweatdrop:scooter:

[BANZAI]

try the st06 ( cant remember if thats what they are called ) but they where the highest powered jap car like 320kw now that smokes a 22b

Is that s205?? It looks like awsome car to drive, there are so many good review of them :)

Wonder if it's faster than R34 Z-tune. Hmm but I don't mind both :drool:


don't wanna be a killjoy yui but...if you wanna race and fuck around on yourr ginny even track days are the place to do it, the road is less forgiving if you fuck up trying to race a car, plus your more likely to be spotted by coppers acting the fool and getting ticketed.....and I know you've already been ticketed one acting the fool on your ginnyn:sweatdrop:scooter:

Yea ok, I'll try not to kill myself from nexttime :sweatdrop

That ticketing was so unfair! I was just filtering and did 100 in 80zone :pinch:

[Slicksta]

I bet my mates standaredish 2l v6 FTO to 80kph on my CBF250 :P does that count?

[Brett]

I agree, most 250's will do a quarter mile time that is as good as most 4cyl turbo's. However most of that is straight off the line for the first 100m. Then the car starts to reel them in a bit. End result is that they both finish about the same.
Had a few plays with 250's in my 200sx, they never came close. I know my ZXR would have been eaten by the cage.

[kevfromcoro]

Anyone see that mazda...doing a run..down the quater...
Thought it did a 7.6....i may of heard wrong...seems affully fast for a rotary..
Dont think the Busa does that...........

[vtec]

1.15 on a CBR250 fuck me that's fast. You must have been standing that thing on it's front braking to get that time... How many meters out was your braking point for the hairpin on the CBR250 by the way?


Hehe, thanks. Was my first ever race day and second time on a track, and yes it wanted to stand on the front wheel constantly. Got to 1:15.12 Braking from 200kph (indicated more likely 185kph) from the 100m marker. It helped that I was able to hook on the back of Quasi's GSXR400 and draft. His 400 wasn't running all that great I don't think, and he was a heavy loaf. Most other people seemed to brake from 200m out.

Just won 3/3 of my 250 superlite fourstroke races over here at Winton on Sunday just gone :) by a comfortable margin. $200 prize money thank you very much. Write up to come :) I was also the youngest in the field. A few experienced racers like the class over here because it's cheap and fun and comparatively safe. And because we are thrown in with formula 3, there's plenty of battles to be had with 400's 650's and 250 2 strokes. Had an absolute blast. Winton kicks arse for the smaller bikes. Spent most of my time in one race wrestling with a motard (this time I cut him up :))
In the latter races battled with an RGV250 and an SV650.

Still in the interclub races I got lapped by the superbikes after 6 laps :P Was a bit dodgy but the marshalls let us know when they were coming so we could get out of the way.

[Filter_nz]

One thing to remember when braging "I bet xxxx car on my 250" is you mostly likely filtered through the traffic and blocked them so they're forced to take off with you in the way. I would say (opinion here) that a WRX / EVO or any 4x4 Turbo can put far more power down off the line than than a run of the mill 250. I can't open up my 1000 off the line ever, doesn't matter how much weight I get over the front it would simply flip the bike.

[vtec]

As an owner of numerous 250's and an Evo 4. Nope. To launch an evo4 as hard as you can launch a 250, you will break things in the gearbox/clutch.

The 600's don't flip when launching them 0-100 in under 3.0 seconds. The 250 isn't going to flip if you've got good clutch control... Learn to slip your clutch properly. The 250 is quicker to 80 than my evo4. On the 250's I've never blown an engine a clutch or a gearbox.

My clutch was failing on my evo4 when it got stolen.

[NOMIS]

As an owner of numerous 250's and an Evo 4. Nope. To launch an evo4 as hard as you can launch a 250, you will break things in the gearbox/clutch.

The 600's don't flip when launching them 0-100 in under 3.0 seconds. The 250 isn't going to flip if you've got good clutch control... Learn to slip your clutch properly. The 250 is quicker to 80 than my evo4. On the 250's I've never blown an engine a clutch or a gearbox.

My clutch was failing on my evo4 when it got stolen.

Evo 4's are puss. still go alright but i mean my mums Caldina just as quick.

but every one know's evo 4's are the slowest evo. and yeh slipping the clutch at 13-14,000 rpm on a 250 wont flip the bike and does laung pretty much anything.

[NOMIS]

One thing to remember when braging "I bet xxxx car on my 250" is you mostly likely filtered through the traffic and blocked them so they're forced to take off with you in the way. I would say (opinion here) that a WRX / EVO or any 4x4 Turbo can put far more power down off the line than than a run of the mill 250. I can't open up my 1000 off the line ever, doesn't matter how much weight I get over the front it would simply flip the bike.

Have u riden a decent 250?? i saw in another thread a comenting you where making about 250's ..

yeh there not quick but there not as slow as your making them out to be.
I can manage to get all 42hp or so of my hornet down to the ground no problems with out to much effort, and its not hard sliping the clutch on it at all most full throtle to get of the mark quickly.

Launch a 4wd turbo car a few times start saying goodbye to gear's dif's transfer cases clutches you name it they will break it eventually but after countless launches on my lil slow 250 it still does them no sweat.

And yes I can get a jump on a friends STi from the lights if he giving it a moderate launch and still get it up to 80kmph , Verrryyy fast sti

[racefactory]

Have u riden a decent 250?? i saw in another thread a comenting you where making about 250's ..

yeh there not quick but there not as slow as your making them out to be.
I can manage to get all 42hp or so of my hornet down to the ground no problems with out to much effort, and its not hard sliping the clutch on it at all most full throtle to get of the mark quickly.



I agree with you guys... i've seen that other filternz guys comments on 250's as well and he obviously can't launch properly... you can get a bike off of the line very quickly and like it has been said many times now, you just need to know how to ride it properly to be launching it on par with the jap 4wds. Bikes have tons of performance advantage when it comes to a standing start...

[racefactory]

Was my first ever race day and second time on a track, and yes it wanted to stand on the front wheel constantly. Got to 1:15.12 Braking from 200kph (indicated more likely 185kph) from the 100m marker. Most other people seemed to brake from 200m out.



Sounds like you really know how to brake man... good stuff! That's where the real fun is!! that's where the real riders are seperated from the rest isn't it... . Shit have you locked the front braking from that 100m mark yet?

...Speaking of which- have you guys done any braking vs cars? I know my NC30 than stop fucking quickly but i've only gone up against a skyline r34 GTS-T and came even braking from 100kph... still that thing has ABS and can brake really well...

I know cbr1000 with a decent rider can go from over 140mph to 40mph in 4 secs which is cracking I thought....

[vtec]

Yeah, I've locked up on Pukekohe coming into the hairpin. The trick is to get off and back on. For some reason when I'm racing and my adrenalin is right up there, it all happens without really needing to think about it. Raced 600's aswell, and regularly locked that up. At maximum braking small bumps on the surface can cut the front loose. To know how hard you can brake without locking up you need to lock up a few times. Just make sure you are starting to back off the brakes as you start to lean in, that's when most of my lowsides have happened. Locked the front at Winton a couple of times on Sunday on my CBR250RR. That surface was a bit dodgy in places.

I think a car with equally high quality tyres will actually be able to brake faster. My Honda Prelude used to stick like shit to a blanket on it's Dunlop Formula FM901's. I reckon that would be quicker around Puke than the CBR250RR as long as I removed the speed limiter.

Although with repeated braking, road cars will start to fade pretty bad. I even got my dad's Hayabusa to brake fade on Taupo. Gave me the shits, the brake lever started coming back to the bar at the end of the front straight. But that was repeated braking from well over 250k/hr, and I was sort of racing against Leong on his trick little K6 GSXR600 (just quietly I was slightly faster than him)

[racefactory]

Yeah, I've locked up on Pukekohe coming into the hairpin. The trick is to get off and back on. For some reason when I'm racing and my adrenalin is right up there, it all happens without really needing to think about it. Raced 600's aswell, and regularly locked that up. At maximum braking small bumps on the surface can cut the front loose. To know how hard you can brake without locking up you need to lock up a few times. Just make sure you are starting to back off the brakes as you start to lean in, that's when most of my lowsides have happened. Locked the front at Winton a couple of times on Sunday on my CBR250RR. That surface was a bit dodgy in places.

I think a car with equally high quality tyres will actually be able to brake faster. My Honda Prelude used to stick like shit to a blanket on it's Dunlop Formula FM901's. I reckon that would be quicker around Puke than the CBR250RR as long as I removed the speed limiter.

Although with repeated braking, road cars will start to fade pretty bad. I even got my dad's Hayabusa to brake fade on Taupo. Gave me the shits, the brake lever started coming back to the bar at the end of the front straight. But that was repeated braking from well over 250k/hr, and I was sort of racing against Leong on his trick little K6 GSXR600 (just quietly I was slightly faster than him)

Yeah actually this gts-t had worn tyres so it probably could have stopped a bit faster come to think about it.

[Filter_nz]

To clarify, I did said my 1000 would flip, not the 250. My Hyo250 I would have said was pretty decent but they’re a fairly lazy 30hp and heavy to boot; It’s hard to even wheelie the Hyo let alone flip it.
I have an 07 Holden Commodore, the v6 model and sure the hyo got the jump on the line but the Holden was next to me at 100. (wife driving the Holden)
I can only talk from my own experience so save me the “have you ridden a decent xxxx” or “you can’t ride” comments. I’ve had two Mistsi VR4’s (2.0 TT and 2.5TT), and two Vtec Preludes all various mods, none of which were super quick but they give me a good comparison to comment on and I would’ve been looking at the Hyosung250GTR in the mirror in all of them at 100km.h.
Bikes in general are quick for sure but I think the tone of this thread is over-rating 250cc bikes. With the odd exception, after 80km.h any mediocre sports car will eat you.

[NOMIS]

To clarify, I did said my 1000 would flip, not the 250. My Hyo250 I would have said was pretty decent but they’re a fairly lazy 30hp and heavy to boot; It’s hard to even wheelie the Hyo let alone flip it.
I have an 07 Holden Commodore, the v6 model and sure the hyo got the jump on the line but the Holden was next to me at 100. (wife driving the Holden)
I can only talk from my own experience so save me the “have you ridden a decent xxxx” or “you can’t ride” comments. I’ve had two Mistsi VR4’s (2.0 TT and 2.5TT), and two Vtec Preludes all various mods, none of which were super quick but they give me a good comparison to comment on and I would’ve been looking at the Hyosung250GTR in the mirror in all of them at 100km.h.
Bikes in general are quick for sure but I think the tone of this thread is over-rating 250cc bikes. With the odd exception, after 80km.h any mediocre sports car will eat you.


it was a hyosung...... i rarely can even spot them in the rear vision mirror.. I usually try to wipe my mirror thinking its dirty at 0-100.. jks but seriously a hyo got nothing on a cbrr or zxr 250 got nothing a hornet either ( im not tryna talk the bike up )

mums caldina shits on a v6 commy ( i used to work for holden I know them well ) yeh ive owned quicker cars but would be a quick car to beat a high specd 250 to 80km pretty decent even to 100km

[racefactory]

agreed- those hyosungs are not only weak but heavy too... there are many videos and records of CBR and ZXR doing quarter miles same/faster than turbo japs (stockers)... so to say they will ''eat those 250s'' is pretty over the top...

[Delerium]

around a track (silverstone) a car (GT3) is quicker than a bike (race spec R1) It comes down to how much rubber is on the road. I watch too much jeremy clarkson

[racefactory]

lol if you believed that staged video then you clearly have no idea of what an R1 is... that was staged from the begginning... Neil was barely leaning the bike in that lame video! He was taking corner entries on the inside of the turn, off of the racing line and the way that porsche... magically... ''caught'' him on the brakes was just.. well see for yoursefl... it's laughable. Jeremy is reknown for his strange hatred towards bikes incase you hadn't picked up. An r1 is an immensely, immensely powerful bike not to mention its handling and braking... worlds from your CB250 hornet mate. read some proper articles... clarkson is ok for a laugh but to draw any conclusions from his stuff is rediculous! I'm sorry but that's ludicrous! a GT3 is most definately NOT quicker than an r1 around a track... not even the most powerful lambourghini supercars can beat stock standard litre bike around the track, the power/weight ratio of such bikes are literally mind-boggling and deserve respect, not only that, but they have the handling and braking to match... It'd certainly be an interesting battle to see a 250 2 stroke or a VFR400 NC30 with a GT3- that's more of a match... but a modern litre bike? you're out of your mind mate!

[BANZAI]

around a track (silverstone) a car (GT3) is quicker than a bike (race spec R1) It comes down to how much rubber is on the road. I watch too much jeremy clarkson

I watched that one too!

I watched it first time when I was in Car side, so I thought "why people get bikes? cars are better :p"

But then I got bike now and I'm on Bike side :p

I watched it again and like.... awwwwww...... whyyyyyy......it's just a f--king GT3.....WHY CANT R1 BEAT THE PORSCHE!!!!!

[BANZAI]

lol if you believed that staged video then you clearly have no idea of what an R1 is... that was staged from the begginning... Neil was barely leaning the bike in that lame video! Jeremy is reknown for his strange hatred towards bikes incase you hadn't picked up. An r1 is an immensely, immensely powerful bike not to mention its handling and braking... worlds from your CB250 hornet mate. read some proper articles... clarkson is ok for a laugh but to draw any conclusions from his stuff is rediculous! I'm sorry but that's ludicrous! a GT3 is most definately NOT quicker than an r1 around a track... not even the most powerful lambourghini supercars can beat stock standard litre bike around the track, the power/weight ratio of such bikes are literally mind-boggling and deserve respect, not only that, but they have the handling and braking to match... It'd certainly be an interesting battle to see a 250 2 stroke or a VFR400 NC30 with a GT3 but a modern litre bike.. you're out of your mind mate!

It Was???? O_o

Lambo is like a turtle, it's too big for track and too large for track.

Whatbout Lotus 7s and Arial Atom and those super light track days special?? They are really quick.

Apparently there's company in US or somewhere makes 2x busa engine together to make 2.8L V8 and put it in Lotus 7 replica.

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm sounds nice :drool:

[racefactory]

Lol if you were wondering why the hell the R1 didnt beat it then you were wondering along the right lines... the video is a total joke. Clarkson has a strange hatred towards bikes that he always let's show when he can lol.

As for track day special cars... a respected car magazine brought along a stock standard 2005 GSXR1000, and a race modified one... raced them against lamboughinis, porsche and lastly the super light caterham super 7 R400 track car which is one HELL of a machine, comparable to the atom and such other light weight 4 wheel track machines... caterham super7 from memory was the same as the stock 2005 GSXR1000.

Just for the record... JGTC (very popular japanese supercar racing series comprising of totally race built 1050kg 550hp machines with such names you've probably heard of like the Castrol/Denso/Esso Supra, Calsonic/pennzoil/loctite R34GTR, Castrol Mugen/raybrig NSX etc) do the same lap times as the World Superbike and motogp 500cc 2 strokes.

Once again... the real limiting factor with most of these everyday situations is that it takes so much more (big balls, no fear etc) for a rider to exert the performance from a motorcycle than a driver from a car. In other words, the rider is clinging to a bucking and leaning machine whereas the driver is wrapped inside a comfy metal cage!

Lambo is a turtle and too big for the track? I bet to differ.. with 4wd, low CG and truckloads of power, that thing is one hell of a machine. I'll think i'll leave you with the number 7 FIA GT murcielago gtr for now... fucking lovely...

[DIN PELENDA]

My ST1100 with pillion is faster than any car that try race me V8 or boy racers but my R1 is not because the are not trying to race my R1 newer once.

[racefactory]

I don't understand... say again?

[vtec]

Well, I'd like to agree with you. But I think an R1 round Taupo would be about the same as a GT3. Cars (with quality tyres and suspension) can corner and brake faster than bikes, and the GT3's top speeds are awesome aswell.

Leong, a friend of mine who frequents the forum and who has raced supersport had a Porsche Carrera S that he used for trackdays, and more recently he's got into motorbike racing, and he IS quick. Anywho, in the 80's he was NZ remote control car national champion so he's bloody sharp. His laptimes in his track car are noticeably faster than his times on the GSXR600 by several seconds.

If you really want to know if cars are faster or motorbikes. Leong is definitely the man to talk to. He took Fabian Coulthard for a few laps in his Porsche on Taupo, and Fabian said that he didn't think that he could do it any faster than Leong did... P.S. I'm quicker on the motorbike than Leong :P

He's got some great onboard video's on youtube, look up Taupo Leong to see them.

[BANZAI]

Come to think of it, maybe we should do Club 250 thread Drag meeting? LOL

[fatzx10r]

Well, I'd like to agree with you. But I think an R1 round Taupo would be about the same as a GT3. Cars (with quality tyres and suspension) can corner and brake faster than bikes, and the GT3's top speeds are awesome aswell.

Leong, a friend of mine who frequents the forum and who has raced supersport had a Porsche Carrera S that he used for trackdays, and more recently he's got into motorbike racing, and he IS quick. Anywho, in the 80's he was NZ remote control car national champion so he's bloody sharp. His laptimes in his track car are noticeably faster than his times on the GSXR600 by several seconds.

If you really want to know if cars are faster or motorbikes. Leong is definitely the man to talk to. He took Fabian Coulthard for a few laps in his Porsche on Taupo, and Fabian said that he didn't think that he could do it any faster than Leong did... P.S. I'm quicker on the motorbike than Leong :P

He's got some great onboard video's on youtube, look up Taupo Leong to see them.

you should line ya mate up at the track at some stage... and then let us know the result, lol.

but for the most part... a trick car (gt3,supercar's,race car's) will lap faster than a bike around most race's track's, because of the level of grip they get from having training wheel's and down force and shit like that.but hey look at the cost of these cage's and then ya see the bike's give ya the best bang for your buck :2guns:

who the fuck would want a car anyway :laugh:

[vtec]

Would love to but they generally don't let bikes and cars on the tracks at the same time. Would have to rent the track out specifically for it. Plus he recently sold the Porsche. My brother has a 500hp mitsi GTO, but he drives it like a pussy because he put too much money into it, and he's only taken it on the track once at Pukekohe and only got 1.16, which is lame.

and you are right. Cost of running a track car is insane. Leong says he enjoys the bike more. But he did come off at over 200kph recently at a trackday. Rattled him a bit.

[NOMIS]

Would love to but they generally don't let bikes and cars on the tracks at the same time. Would have to rent the track out specifically for it. Plus he recently sold the Porsche. My brother has a 500hp mitsi GTO, but he drives it like a pussy because he put too much money into it, and he's only taken it on the track once at Pukekohe and only got 1.16, which is lame.

and you are right. Cost of running a track car is insane. Leong says he enjoys the bike more. But he did come off at over 200kph recently at a trackday. Rattled him a bit.

500hp GTO and only 1.16 omg your kidding, Mate of mine Got a GTO targa car factory engine ectp pod and blow of valve and no speed cut , he pulled 1.14 lol omg your kidding right?, yeh he got coil overs decentish brakes ( good ducting I made :-) ) cage and monster sticky semi slicks ( road legal )

Still no way near 500hp worth only just managed to pull 4th gear on the sraight, targa Rotorua hardly came out of 2nd gear

[vtec]

He said he was pussyfooting around, but I know it's cause he was just scared of damaging his ride. His mate in a nicely modified RX7 managed only 1.16 also. Very lame. But in your pride and joy first time on the track I'm sure it can be a bit intimidating.

Plus he had very average tyres. Dumbass. He'd done everything else except for suspension and tyres.... Slotted discs. But tyres and suspension are vital.

[NOMIS]

He said he was pussyfooting around, but I know it's cause he was just scared of damaging his ride. His mate in a nicely modified RX7 managed only 1.16 also. Very lame. But in your pride and joy first time on the track I'm sure it can be a bit intimidating.

I get to race a V9 Sti around taupo ful track in sec im hoping for sub 1.47's thats blody quick but set my eyes high. id like to do pukekohe but I no longer have a decent car to hit it in.

[vtec]

I get to race a V9 Sti around taupo ful track in sec im hoping for sub 1.47's thats blody quick but set my eyes high. id like to do pukekohe but I no longer have a decent car to hit it in.

Awesome, well have fun. Don't smash it hahahaha. It's kind of hard to though, cause they don't fall over like bikes do.

[revlikeshit]

As the owner of both a 150 and a 750, and a regular drag racer at meremere (nightspeed and winter dw) i just thought i'd add in my 2 cents....

Speaking from experience most stock(ish) boyracer cars will get hazed buy a decent 250(zxr,cbr etc)...

My aircooled rgv150(the poo version as some people put it) has run a 1/4 mile in 15.9@129kmh, and 9.9sec@110kmh through the 1/8.... not that fast but is faster 1/8 mile than lightly modded gsr lancers 1.8turbo, honda's ,gtst's even stock vr4's...etc, not bad for a bike with bearly more than 20rwhp....


Genereally a bike running say a 13 flat will trap about 10kmh(give or take) slower than a car running 13 flat(bar cars on slicks and very hard launched turbo 4wd)..... and bike is faster over 1/8 mile by a considerable margin...

Have also run a 14.37 @143kmh on another guys zxr250 at winterdragwars no.2(first time ever riding a 4cyl 250) so was taking it easy as... could do 13.9-14.1's @145+ at nightspeed easy...
it ran 9.2sec@125kmh through the 1/8 mile with a easy as start slipping the clutch at 9-10,000rpm (2.3sec 60ft-could do 2.1's).... takes a quick car to do 8sec 1/8 miles.....

Dont be put off by all the talk.... an average bike is alot faster than most people realise...

[NOMIS]

funny how no one realises what a hornet can do and leaves them out of the "decent" 250's.. again not talking up the bike they differnt from a cbr and zxr but in a straight line will give them a run for the money in somecases beat them.. actually beat them in the 2-3 ive come across

[NOMIS]

Awesome, well have fun. Don't smash it hahahaha. It's kind of hard to though, cause they don't fall over like bikes do.

yeh its a full production series race car should be fun

[Leong]

Well I guess we've wandered off the original 250 vs boy racer topic to a cars vs bikes thread. I owned a 997 Carrera S between 2005 and 2007 as vtec said and during that time decided to learn to ride motorcycles. Always been into motor racing, car trackdays etc so it wasn't long before I started doing trackdays on the bike. There is no doubt in my mind that bikes are far more challenging to ride at the top level, than a car is to drive. What vtec said about Fabian Coulthard happened at a Porsche Driver training day where he was a tutor, and sitting beside me showing me lines, braking points, etc.



Once again... the real limiting factor with most of these everyday situations is that it takes so much more (big balls, no fear etc) for a rider to exert the performance from a motorcycle than a driver from a car. In other words, the rider is clinging to a bucking and leaning machine whereas the driver is wrapped inside a comfy metal cage!


Absolutely true, though the metal cage is not always comfy. Its just easier to drive at the limit than ride - after all, the worst that will happen usually is that you spin off if you exceed that limit ( so what) - on a bike you usually fall off and that can hurt if you're going at pace.


you should line ya mate up at the track at some stage... and then let us know the result, lol.

but for the most part... a trick car (gt3,supercar's,race car's) will lap faster than a bike around most race's track's, because of the level of grip they get from having training wheel's and down force and shit like that.but hey look at the cost of these cage's and then ya see the bike's give ya the best bang for your buck :2guns:

who the fuck would want a car anyway :laugh:
And this is true too, its just about the size of the contact patch given a similar level of suspension tuning. I lapped track 2 at Taupo easily in the 1.12s in the Porsche. Haven't done track 2 on the bike recently but the next MotoTT trackday's on track 2 so that will be interesting. I'm pretty sure Jay Lawrence was at least a couple of seconds slower than this at the PMCC meeting last year.

And re the cost of these cages?? I guess the fact that I now own 2 bikes and the Porsche is gone attests to this. It was pointless keeping the car. Whenever I wanted a fang on the track, I took the bike - it was more exhilirating. Whenever I wanted to do a Coro Loop, I took the bike - nothing worse than getting stuck in traffic just when you get to the twisties - even though the Porsche will overtake better than most road cars, its nothing in comparison to what a 600cc sportsbike can do. If it rained - maybe you'd take the car - but in reality if it rained you wouldn't even go in the car anyway - once you own one you realise that you can just go another day!! On the Coro Loop ride last weekend we passed an Audi RS4 twice as it was stuck behind traffic in the twisties Haha!!!

If I had discovered bikes before buying the Porsche - I would not have bought it!! However I do not regret the experiences I've had owning it, the people I've met and the opportunities that arise because of it.



and you are right. Cost of running a track car is insane. Leong says he enjoys the bike more. But he did come off at over 200kph recently at a trackday. Rattled him a bit.

The off made me re-evaluate what's important to me. I'm still doing every trackday I can, but the racing which I deem to be more risky to my health is on hold, for now at least!

[ferriswheel]

I had a race the other day on my Zeal against a V8 Landrover
Bike was running like shit n I still beat him
Wouldave smokked him if i had the confidence and experence on the bike

[NOMIS]

I had a race the other day on my Zeal against a V8 Landrover
Bike was running like shit n I still beat him
Wouldave smokked him if i had the confidence and experence on the bike

lol..... hahaha oh man LOL

[revlikeshit]

Just thought i'd pop another word in..... since i forgot to mention that "250 hornets are decent 250's aswel"..........

Bit of a yes and no there........
Yes their a good bike,
But a 250 hornet will not keep up with a zxr250 or cbr250.... fullstop.
Maybe rider ability would help it to be faster off the line, but with the same rider a cbr/zxr is faster everywhere in its speed range than a 250 hornet...

a hornet would be around a second slower over a 1/4 mile(round 15 flat)..... thats a decent gap....

[Delerium]

i often wondered how the hornet would compare, but im still settled on getting one simply becuase they are one of the sportier new bikes around. zkr's cbr's etc are getting hard ti find a tidy one.

[NOMIS]

Just thought i'd pop another word in..... since i forgot to mention that "250 hornets are decent 250's aswel"..........

Bit of a yes and no there........
Yes their a good bike,
But a 250 hornet will not keep up with a zxr250 or cbr250.... fullstop.
Maybe rider ability would help it to be faster off the line, but with the same rider a cbr/zxr is faster everywhere in its speed range than a 250 hornet...

a hornet would be around a second slower over a 1/4 mile(round 15 flat)..... thats a decent gap....

Beg to differ, i rode a mates zxr against him on my hornet and he beat me on his zxr, i didt however start catching around 120 - 130 km. And I felt more comfortable cornering harder on the zxr. Now the hornet not the be all and end all I know this and not trying to say it is, But a bike that is that old probally does have alot more wear and tear than my new ish hornet.

And again the guy I met who has the ZXR was through another mate with a hornet and its the same story against his hornet, mines a little quicker than his as well, we put it down to differnt sprokets perhaps but both are not to sure.

It does seem slower at the moment probally due to the chain being stretched to its max and I want to do the clutch because I want more of a bite on take off

[revlikeshit]

Well i definately think you're wrong in saying that........
Yes your hornet maybe a late model,but you do realise honda hornets use a detuned cbr250 motor(why do you think the redline is lower).

A cbr or zxr 250 will beat a hornet at all speeds......

If you think a 250 hornet will keep up with a zxr250 till 120-130kmh then why not take your bike to the nightspeed dragwars at meremere which start on november 7th....

i ran a 9.2 second 1/8 mile @125kmh on a 96' zxr250c (14.37sec@143kmh through the 1/4 mile) and that was the first time i'd ever ridden a 4cyl 250..

(Would be a couple of tenths faster with more than one run on the bike)

(have a timeslip for the run ,and a video of it which i can post a link of if you want)

if you can run under 9.2 seconds through the 1/8 mile then i'll stand corrected....

[NOMIS]

Well i definately think you're wrong in saying that........
Yes your hornet maybe a late model,but you do realise honda hornets use a detuned cbr250 motor(why do you think the redline is lower).

A cbr or zxr 250 will beat a hornet at all speeds......

If you think a 250 hornet will keep up with a zxr250 till 120-130kmh then why not take your bike to the nightspeed dragwars at meremere which start on november 7th....

i ran a 9.2 second 1/8 mile @125kmh on a 96' zxr250c (14.37sec@143kmh through the 1/4 mile) and that was the first time i'd ever ridden a 4cyl 250..

(Would be a couple of tenths faster with more than one run on the bike)

(have a timeslip for the run ,and a video of it which i can post a link of if you want)

if you can run under 9.2 seconds through the 1/8 mile then i'll stand corrected....

Yes i realise , I realise alot about my bike thank you. Let me ask you something quickly .. have you ridden it??

Yes id like to do night wars but not to prove my self right, maybe its the bigger carb I have ( and yes confrimed by wild west honda ) and the full stainless system with twin cans, the airfilter and the retune?

actually before ragingrob got his viffer he had a cbr we dragged at from 100 - 150 he started about 10m ahead and left earlier I caught and passed him at about 140.

ask him if you like on our ride out dargaville, how ever it was a old CBR not to sure what model exactly

[NOMIS]

also another thing u realise hornetsdiffer throughout the years, also aparntly more touque than cbr. Don't quote me on that I can find out but cant be botherd atm.

Like i said not the be all and end all but hornets do go well, even against zxr's and cbr's .

[revlikeshit]

Dont get me wrong, im not trying to insult you or your bike, im just saying i definately disagree with your onpinion of zxr's and cbr's.

Maybe your hornet is a little bit quicker than most of the others out there, but i highly doubt you could run a faster 1/8 mile or 1/4 mile than i did on a zxr250.
How about, 'just for fun' you bring your hornet to meremere nightspeed DW on november 7th and see what it can do. And since this thread was about boyracer cars and the like you can see what a decent ish 250 4stroke can do compared to some cars too.

[NOMIS]

Dont get me wrong, im not trying to insult you or your bike, im just saying i definately disagree with your onpinion of zxr's and cbr's.

Maybe your hornet is a little bit quicker than most of the others out there, but i highly doubt you could run a faster 1/8 mile or 1/4 mile than i did on a zxr250.
How about, 'just for fun' you bring your hornet to meremere nightspeed DW on november 7th and see what it can do. And since this thread was about boyracer cars and the like you can see what a decent ish 250 4stroke can do compared to some cars too.

Cool man, see how the bikes going when that rolls around, I want to get new sprokets , chain , plug's and forks re oiled before then oh and the brakes.
Id like to see what I can do as well. My opinion on zxr's and cbr's isnt less than my hornet I mean my bikes 10 years older and these they go hard and definatly a better racer. Ive never raced a bike on mery mery only ever taken my old car. would be cool to see how it goes for sure

[revlikeshit]

Sounds like a plan, would be real good to see,

actually in the proccess of putting my '88 gsx750es back together ready for nightspeed.Gotta do the same sorta stuff, and register it,wof......etc. bit of a dog really(cosmetically) but should go alright.

Would be good to see,always good seeing the smaller bikes run compared to mostly big bikes all the time, had a blast taking my rgv150 up there.

What kinda car have you raced up there?, just curious as am into most things motorsport realted.

[ferriswheel]

How often do they run these drags at meremere

[NOMIS]

Sounds like a plan, would be real good to see,

actually in the proccess of putting my '88 gsx750es back together ready for nightspeed.Gotta do the same sorta stuff, and register it,wof......etc. bit of a dog really(cosmetically) but should go alright.

Would be good to see,always good seeing the smaller bikes run compared to mostly big bikes all the time, had a blast taking my rgv150 up there.

What kinda car have you raced up there?, just curious as am into most things motorsport realted.

had a 5.0l Vl Commodore auto trany b "n" m quicksilver shifter 2500rpm stall and manual valve body. only did a low 14 something cant remember now, that thing was a shiter did had 3 differnt motors in that a 2.0L a 3.0L and the 5.0l lol, single spinner until i welded it after I blew it. was my first car

[Brett]

Nomis, I am sure your hornet is quick, I especially like them as a 250cc twin...honestly I do, but as an owner of 5 ZXR 250C's and as someone who rode with A LOT of other 250's and 250 riders, I honestly believe that they are a hugely different kettle of fish. They are just a lot faster.
Yes, the hornet had a bit more low down torque, but those little 4 cyl engines with their 19,500 rpm redline are purely magic. Hit 8000 rpm, and they just take off with a new lease on life. From about 30kph they are unstoppable by all but a CBR250rr. And even then they are a dead even match.
They are such a well designed little engine, I actually don't think it would be possible to get a 250cc twin or single cylinder engine powerful enough to match their performance.
I had one particular ZXR that was my first 250cc and was the one I kept through the years I owned them, it was my favourite. I rode that little bike HARD. I do recall one particular ride out to Kaiaua with a certain Motoracer, N4CR & Texmo where I went through a tight little chicane and in the weight transition, the little bugger actually lifted the front wheel about a foot high.. For 2...nearly 3 years it was a faithful trooper.
After my spate of 250cc ownership, I personally concluded that CBR250rr was fastest in a straight line (not by a whole lot however), ZXR250C was the best handling and more confortable to ride, being a slightly larger bike and the little Hornet was the comfiest.
By all means, the hornet has its own style.

[Brett]

Nomis - by the way, have you done any cosmetic work to your hornet?

[NOMIS]

Nomis - by the way, have you done any cosmetic work to your hornet?

Lol to this question its more what cosmetic work havn't I done, Go on to my profile and have alook in my album, its pretty old album and looks heaps diff since last pics

And the other the hornet is a inline 4 buddy also redlines at 17,000rpm doesn't valve bounce though except I dont take it higher than around 16,500rpm
, Hit 10K on a hornet and its the same thing picks up and goes.

I havn't owned a zxr or a cbr but I know people who have had them, I would personaly take the cbrr over a zxr because of looks but they are both good bikes'. I want to get my hornet on a dyno to retune it again because I don't think its running 100% seems a bit rich . But then again I don't know how long I will be keeping it for.

Cheers

[vtec]

Hey Brett,

I also went for a ride with Texmo and Motoracer and HDTBoy around the coro loop. We had so many near misses me included. Great fun, but I decided to keep it to the track after that.

HDT Boy's fairings caught in the wind and flew off his bike hahahahahaa. CBR400RR. They weren't attached very well.

Texmo on a ZXR250 was the only guy to ever beat me fair and square on the 250 four stroke in the dry. But I got a faster laptime than him :P He then proceeded to highside his ZXR chasing my CBR's laptime on Manfeild.

[Delerium]

on a bit of a tangent, what are the differences between the manufacturing years of the hornets?

[NOMIS]

on a bit of a tangent, what are the differences between the manufacturing years of the hornets?

Exhaust, things like mirrors sprockets ( not a biggy ) and carbs are diff through the range. not to sure what exactly. Guys at wild wet told me mine a bigger than factory, but they also said the hornets come out with differnt types.

Some one who knows more than i do please...............

[road king]

Haven't been beaten on the 400 except by faster bikes, or getting sloppy on the launch versus equal powered bikes. However, I ALWAYS get blitzed by Ford Commodores screaming past me at 140+, seconds after I've got to 100.

interesting, never seen a ford commodore

[CM2005]

Ahm, i haven't red the whole thread, but i blitzed an Evo 3 on my mates aprilia RS the other day.

[revlikeshit]

Jsust to the person who wanted to know how often they run the drags at meremere such as nightspeed etc.....

Well the summer nightspeed drags usually start around november and go through to bout febuary/march...

http://www.framautolitedragway.co.nz/

november 7th is the 1st one, next ones on the 21st i think.

[revlikeshit]

Just to add, "valve bounce" , people use this word all the time, anything remotely modern and 4 stroke has an electronic rev limiter......


Had a guy try and tell me about how he was valve bouncing his 2stroke...... .....um a 2stroke doesnt have valves you coon,was my reply.

[Coyote]

interesting, never seen a ford commodore
Bet you haven't seen a Holden Falcon either. They all look the same so you probably haven't cared to notice.

[NOMIS]

Just to add, "valve bounce" , people use this word all the time, anything remotely modern and 4 stroke has an electronic rev limiter......


Had a guy try and tell me about how he was valve bouncing his 2stroke...... .....um a 2stroke doesnt have valves you coon,was my reply.

ok soooorrryyyy. yes I know but u no what I mean how about hit the limiter.

[Brett]

Hey Brett,

I also went for a ride with Texmo and Motoracer and HDTBoy around the coro loop. We had so many near misses me included. Great fun, but I decided to keep it to the track after that.

HDT Boy's fairings caught in the wind and flew off his bike hahahahahaa. CBR400RR. They weren't attached very well.

Texmo on a ZXR250 was the only guy to ever beat me fair and square on the 250 four stroke in the dry. But I got a faster laptime than him :P He then proceeded to highside his ZXR chasing my CBR's laptime on Manfeild.

I know what you mean about those HECTIC coro loops etc. After Loosebruce got killled and a few too many close calls of my own (and I think Sudeep and Tex are the same) I also decided it just aint worth it on the road. Man there have been some 'ohhhhh shit' moments...

Funny you mention what happened to HDT's bike with the fiarings in the wind...same thing happened to Tex on one of the first rides he did on his GSXR. RIding out to raglan, the underside of the fairing came loose and they ripped apart. From memory we found a piece of old No.8 wire and held it together...

You are right about Tex, that guy was pretty quick on a 250, although I know he mentioned you with high regard as well when we talked about who was a quick rider. Never ridden with you (except at trackdays), met you at the lights by botany once turning right off Ti Rakau Dr ino Ti Irirangi. DO you road ride much anymore?

[Brett]

Lol to this question its more what cosmetic work havn't I done, Go on to my profile and have alook in my album, its pretty old album and looks heaps diff since last pics

And the other the hornet is a inline 4 buddy also redlines at 17,000rpm doesn't valve bounce though except I dont take it higher than around 16,500rpm
, Hit 10K on a hornet and its the same thing picks up and goes.

I havn't owned a zxr or a cbr but I know people who have had them, I would personaly take the cbrr over a zxr because of looks but they are both good bikes'. I want to get my hornet on a dyno to retune it again because I don't think its running 100% seems a bit rich . But then again I don't know how long I will be keeping it for.

Cheers

Yo, stand corrected on them being a twin, I have no idea why I remember them being one...shows how long it has been since I have ridden with one or on one!

As far as how long to keep a 250 for, I know that I had the most fun on my ZXR. The GSXR is cool, but it makes things a little bit too serious sometimes. If I could go back, I woud have kept the ZXR and still bought the GSXR...probably would have done what vtec does, race a 250cc.

Either way, enjoy them, 250's are fun!

[vtec]

I know what you mean about those HECTIC coro loops etc. After Loosebruce got killled and a few too many close calls of my own (and I think Sudeep and Tex are the same) I also decided it just aint worth it on the road. Man there have been some 'ohhhhh shit' moments...

Funny you mention what happened to HDT's bike with the fiarings in the wind...same thing happened to Tex on one of the first rides he did on his GSXR. RIding out to raglan, the underside of the fairing came loose and they ripped apart. From memory we found a piece of old No.8 wire and held it together...

You are right about Tex, that guy was pretty quick on a 250, although I know he mentioned you with high regard as well when we talked about who was a quick rider. Never ridden with you (except at trackdays), met you at the lights by botany once turning right off Ti Rakau Dr ino Ti Irirangi. DO you road ride much anymore?

I'm in Australia at the moment. I just ride my bicycle everywhere. I'm enough of a hoon on that hahahaha. I'll just get in trouble on a motorbike on the road I think, I can't just cruise, I'm addicted to the rush. Although I'll be back in December, and will try to borrow the CBR600RR that I sold to my dad :) Got a CBR250RR that I'll use aswell. Planning on selling my car.

I still race whenever I get the chance. Just racing 250's over here, but I sold my race bike back to the wreckers that I bought it off, because I'm not sure what I'm doing next year.

[Brett]

I'm in Australia at the moment. I just ride my bicycle everywhere. I'm enough of a hoon on that hahahaha. I'll just get in trouble on a motorbike on the road I think, I can't just cruise, I'm addicted to the rush. Although I'll be back in December, and will try to borrow the CBR600RR that I sold to my dad :) Got a CBR250RR that I'll use aswell. Planning on selling my car.

I still race whenever I get the chance. Just racing 250's over here, but I sold my race bike back to the wreckers that I bought it off, because I'm not sure what I'm doing next year.

Once I am back in NZ and settled down a bit I am going to start looking at a race bike. Don't really know what however. I thinking racing a 600cc or a 1000cc is probably a bit more 'serious' than I am willing to go now in terms of cash and tme out lay. 250's are much lower in maintenance requirements and running costs so will probably look at something like that. Having done both, what is your opinion?

[vtec]

Once I am back in NZ and settled down a bit I am going to start looking at a race bike. Don't really know what however. I thinking racing a 600cc or a 1000cc is probably a bit more 'serious' than I am willing to go now in terms of cash and tme out lay. 250's are much lower in maintenance requirements and running costs so will probably look at something like that. Having done both, what is your opinion?

If you haven't done a lot of racing. I reckon an F3 bike like the VFR400R would be the go. I personally don't like the SV650's, but they are faster. I like little light bikes. I'm planning on having a VFR400R as a road and a race bike. don't expect to win F3 though, even if you are an amazing rider you need to have a crap load of money to win f3 too, there's almost unlimited mods allowed.

If you want a level playing field and the opportunity to win, try streetstocks 250 fourstrokes. I loved riding those bikes, but it's not a class that I'd be proud to keep winning in. Although it's great because it's so cheap... tyres last a season.

Other option if you are serious about racing and competing fairly, have a look at Shaun Harris' scheme. He's going to assemble a stack of bikes, all identical with identical tyres and run a competition like that. $5g for all national rounds. I'm waiting to see what bikes he's chosen... My money is on a 650 twin of some sort.

Don't go for 600 or 1000 if you aren't already a legend. You WILL crash. You WILL spend a fortune. And you WILL lose. And it WILL put you off. Unless of course you are fully sponsored. Then you'd have a chance.

[Badger8]

Just thought i'd pop another word in..... since i forgot to mention that "250 hornets are decent 250's aswel"..........

Bit of a yes and no there........
Yes their a good bike,
But a 250 hornet will not keep up with a zxr250 or cbr250.... fullstop.
Maybe rider ability would help it to be faster off the line, but with the same rider a cbr/zxr is faster everywhere in its speed range than a 250 hornet...

a hornet would be around a second slower over a 1/4 mile(round 15 flat)..... thats a decent gap....

Would also have to disagree there... The hornet is a lot better than most people give it credit for, til they straddle her... Sure, it's not bred for racing like the CBR / ZXR... not tuned for peak horsepower, but gives a lot more useable power in most situations. Also, 99% of ZXR's and CBR's around are getting old and clapped out.
Skidmark gave me a hand one day cleaning my carbs and changed plugs. Now we all know he is a staunch ZXR fan, and if he could mount the tailpipe, he'd get one to have his babies. He took the Hornetto for a spin once she was all sorted, once round the block, pulled back into my drive, got off the bike visibly shaking, handed my helmet back. His only words before i took her round the block to see if the crabs were sorted? "Hold on..." He then needed to sit down...
Case and point? My low k's, well looked after Hornet out-pulled any ZXR or CBR he's ever ridden, and he's ridden plenty. I have only personally ridden one ZXR, and not hard, because i couldnt physically fit the thing comfortably. But it didnt feel like it had much more than the hornet up top, and it had a lot less useable power lower in the rev range.

I for one rate the hornets up there as one of the best all-round 250's (not just talking balls-to-the-wall power here), and a good bike as a stepping stone to a bigger bike.

My $0.02 anyways... :)

[wbks]

The GSXR is cool, but it makes things a little bit too serious sometimes.

Why do you say that? They real fast or something?

[woodhillkamikaze]

my zxr250 has a smaller front sprocket whicj helps with quicker acceleration... hence the odd occasion at the lights when full of themselve cage freaks rev their engines I end up laughing cos I'm through the lights and hitting second gear before they've had time to register the lights green. 90% of winning comes from skill and then having a nice little 250 with no '250' stickers to trick them into a race. Up to the speed limit as fast as you can go is perfectly legal cos of course 'what car? i wasn't racing... honestly officer I didn't see any car... lol' bikes are quicker through traffic to which is why i prefer a bike over a car... I hate being stuck on the motorway in a cage when i know the freedom of weaving through traffic laughing :P

[Brett]

Why do you say that? They real fast or something?

On the 250 on an average ride through the country, ie some good straights, fast sweepers and then the really tight stuff, you can basically just ride it to its potential. You can use full throttle a lot of the time, you can use complete full throttle even in tight twisty stuff and very very seldom will the rear start to slide or spin. They are just easy to ride.

On a decent 600cc bike or a 1000cc, giving the bike full throttle sees you doing very high speeds through long sweepers, on straights using much throttle will very quickly see you over the 200kph mark and then of course in the really tight stuff they are more difficult to manhandle throgh corners than a 250cc is. Don't get me wrong, they are a buzz to ride. Once you are off a 250 and you get to take out your first 600cc or 1000cc supersport bike, the acceleration is absolutely mind blowing. Basically, if you want to ride a 600cc or 1000cc supersport machine on the road and push the bike a bit, it becomes a lot more dangerous because the speed involved is higher.

Personally, I used to do rides on the weekends that could get very fast. Then, due to personal circumstances, I stopped enjoying it because one day the inevitable will happen, and I may not be able to ride again. This sort ot made riding stressfull rather than enjoyable. now I much more enjoy doing the fast riding at track days and going easyish on the road.

[Brett]

If you haven't done a lot of racing. I reckon an F3 bike like the VFR400R would be the go. I personally don't like the SV650's, but they are faster. I like little light bikes. I'm planning on having a VFR400R as a road and a race bike. don't expect to win F3 though, even if you are an amazing rider you need to have a crap load of money to win f3 too, there's almost unlimited mods allowed.

If you want a level playing field and the opportunity to win, try streetstocks 250 fourstrokes. I loved riding those bikes, but it's not a class that I'd be proud to keep winning in. Although it's great because it's so cheap... tyres last a season.

Other option if you are serious about racing and competing fairly, have a look at Shaun Harris' scheme. He's going to assemble a stack of bikes, all identical with identical tyres and run a competition like that. $5g for all national rounds. I'm waiting to see what bikes he's chosen... My money is on a 650 twin of some sort.

Don't go for 600 or 1000 if you aren't already a legend. You WILL crash. You WILL spend a fortune. And you WILL lose. And it WILL put you off. Unless of course you are fully sponsored. Then you'd have a chance.

Have thought about 250cc streetstock, but I am 90 odd kg. Have thought about the F3..actually have a CBR400rr sitting here that I am thinking of turning into a race bike..so that might be a goer...

I would be game to try a 600cc or 1000cc machine, however it is the cost that puts me off...tyres, chains, sprockets, CRASHES etc. etc.

Dunno, got other priories for the next few months anyway, but will reasess then I suppose.

[wbks]

On the 250 on an average ride through the country, ie some good straights, fast sweepers and then the really tight stuff, you can basically just ride it to its potential. You can use full throttle a lot of the time, you can use complete full throttle even in tight twisty stuff and very very seldom will the rear start to slide or spin. They are just easy to ride.

On a decent 600cc bike or a 1000cc, giving the bike full throttle sees you doing very high speeds through long sweepers, on straights using much throttle will very quickly see you over the 200kph mark and then of course in the really tight stuff they are more difficult to manhandle throgh corners than a 250cc is. Don't get me wrong, they are a buzz to ride. Once you are off a 250 and you get to take out your first 600cc or 1000cc supersport bike, the acceleration is absolutely mind blowing. Basically, if you want to ride a 600cc or 1000cc supersport machine on the road and push the bike a bit, it becomes a lot more dangerous because the speed involved is higher.

Personally, I used to do rides on the weekends that could get very fast. Then, due to personal circumstances, I stopped enjoying it because one day the inevitable will happen, and I may not be able to ride again. This sort ot made riding stressfull rather than enjoyable. now I much more enjoy doing the fast riding at track days and going easyish on the road.Making me look forward to next year when I get a full and hopefully a 600!:soon: I was actually asking about the gixa 250 I thought you were talking about lol. Its not like I have a 600 to compare it to but I know what you mean about it being fun to ride a 250 on its limits. Will be a bit of a shock for me going from being 13,000+rpm full gas out of most corners in the twistys at almost full lean... to high/lowsiding if I try the same deal on a zx6:shifty:

[revlikeshit]

Would also have to disagree there... The hornet is a lot better than most people give it credit for, til they straddle her... Sure, it's not bred for racing like the CBR / ZXR... not tuned for peak horsepower, but gives a lot more useable power in most situations. Also, 99% of ZXR's and CBR's around are getting old and clapped out.
Skidmark gave me a hand one day cleaning my carbs and changed plugs. Now we all know he is a staunch ZXR fan, and if he could mount the tailpipe, he'd get one to have his babies. He took the Hornetto for a spin once she was all sorted, once round the block, pulled back into my drive, got off the bike visibly shaking, handed my helmet back. His only words before i took her round the block to see if the crabs were sorted? "Hold on..." He then needed to sit down...
Case and point? My low k's, well looked after Hornet out-pulled any ZXR or CBR he's ever ridden, and he's ridden plenty. I have only personally ridden one ZXR, and not hard, because i couldnt physically fit the thing comfortably. But it didnt feel like it had much more than the hornet up top, and it had a lot less useable power lower in the rev range.

I for one rate the hornets up there as one of the best all-round 250's (not just talking balls-to-the-wall power here), and a good bike as a stepping stone to a bigger bike.

My $0.02 anyways... :)
Out pull a zxr250,on a hornet..... B.S...

You can talk about usable power and torque all day long,but it means nothing because a hornet has none of that over a zxr/cbr.... hornets use a detuned cbr250 motor, basically they have the top end cut off, just like for instance a fz6 compared to an r6.

[Badger8]

Out pull a zxr250,on a hornet..... B.S...

You can talk about usable power and torque all day long,but it means nothing because a hornet has none of that over a zxr/cbr.... hornets use a detuned cbr250 motor, basically they have the top end cut off, just like for instance a fz6 compared to an r6.

The point i was making is that most zxr/cbr's are gettin old and tired, versus a much better chance of finding a hornet with lower k's and engine still rearing to go.
Not sure that it's a simple as "cut the top end off", the power is a bit more evenly spread. same age and similar k's, yes, hornet will lose in a straight line. to me that's not really the point... Meh... :whocares:

[NOMIS]

Out pull a zxr250,on a hornet..... B.S...

You can talk about usable power and torque all day long,but it means nothing because a hornet has none of that over a zxr/cbr.... hornets use a detuned cbr250 motor, basically they have the top end cut off, just like for instance a fz6 compared to an r6.


your the expert drag racer arnt you?? get a ride on one and blat it down the 400m then say that.

They do go mate and im not talking shit when comparing them to zxr's and cbr's neither is badger. especilaly when i have mates with all 3 bike your talking about zxr and a cbr and hornet , what's in front/???

[Badger8]

Baahaha, and skiddie has his say...


The hornet is detuned yes, does it pull like a $2 hooker.... YES.

Fact is k's make things gutless.

less carb wear, valve wear etc etc, so many zxr's are thrashed shims never done etc, where as badgers hornet with 10,000 k's pulled so hard jews fell out my arse A) due to low k's B) it doesnt have 20 past n00b owners who didnt know how to maintain a bike.

skidMark. (t3h zxr mast3r3r)


That boy cracks me up :laugh:

[revlikeshit]

All i seem to hear is people talking utter crap, ive ridden a zxr250 at meremere, and ran a 14.37@143(during the day,first time ever riding a 4cyl 250)...2.3sec 60ft.

Have any of u guys run ur hornets at the drags...... exactly, when u can run faster then come back and talk.... i know of a cbr250r hurricane(87 i think) 50,000+ k's that can do 14's all day long...

U guys would struggle to break into the low 15's..... let alone trap anywhere near what cbr/zxr's do...

Hornets have less torque and horsepower than a zxr/cbr through the whole rev range full stop.. Why do u think a hornet redlines lower....

Just the same as alot of nakd bikes,600 hornets,fz6's, z1000's etc. they use detuned(or as the manufactures put it "tuned for midrange"...B.S) engines out of previous gen cbr600's, yzf r6's, zx10r's etc.:stupid:

[CHOPPA]

ive ridden a zxr250 at meremere, and ran a 14.37@143(during the day,first time ever riding a 4cyl 250)...2.3sec 60ft.

:stupid:

That must have been fun.....

[vtec]

I've done 14.1 @147kph on a damp track at meremere on a CBR250RR while having to be cautious about wheelslip :) but I weighed about 50 kg at the time.

[NOMIS]

I've done 14.1 @147kph on a damp track at meremere on a CBR250RR while having to be cautious about wheelslip :) but I weighed about 50 kg at the time.

50kg holy crap... are you anorexic? lol im 70kg and im only a bloody short arse.

[BANZAI]

50kg holy crap... are you anorexic? lol im 70kg and im only a bloody short arse.

I'm 50kg and 160cm :p

[NOMIS]

I'm 50kg and 160cm :p

yeh but your a stick lol. no offence but your clothes wear you lmao, just kidding buddy

[Badger8]

damn stick bwoy's :bleh:
Eat some more pies and hit the gym :dodge: :laugh:

[vtec]

50kg holy crap... are you anorexic? lol im 70kg and im only a bloody short arse.


I'm 5'10" and 70kg now. I was a freakishly "late bloomer". When I left high school at 17 I was under 40kg. Didn't grow properly till I was in my early twenties. But I always kicked arse at sport. Cross Country School champ, 4th in Auckland. Auckland development squad for tennis and all those other middle class sports.

With regard to hitting the gym. It didn't make a difference. I was a (weight category under 40kg) national judo champion in my mid teens, but wiry as anything, and as cunning as a weasel. Now I can manhandle my 90kg flatmate hahahaha. Anyway, that's my freak story. Back to motorbikes. I think the hornet should be capable of under 15 seconds.

Now it's time for one of you hornet enthusiasts to GET US THE PROOF.

I'm going to ask my dad if he wants me to prove his '08hayabusa can do 10seconds hahahah.

[NOMIS]

I'm 5'10" and 70kg now. I was a freakishly "late bloomer". When I left high school at 17 I was under 40kg. Didn't grow properly till I was in my early twenties. But I always kicked arse at sport. Cross Country School champ, 4th in Auckland. Auckland development squad for tennis and all those other middle class sports.

With regard to hitting the gym. It didn't make a difference. I was a (weight category under 40kg) national judo champion in my mid teens, but wiry as anything, and as cunning as a weasel. Now I can manhandle my 90kg flatmate hahahaha. Anyway, that's my freak story. Back to motorbikes. I think the hornet should be capable of under 15 seconds.

Now it's time for one of you hornet enthusiasts to GET US THE PROOF.

I'm going to ask my dad if he wants me to prove his '08hayabusa can do 10seconds hahahah.

lol im 173 and 70-72kg , and yes ill prove it or attempt if, whenm i get time to do it, and get my bike back.

[Brett]

I'm 5'10" and 70kg now. I was a freakishly "late bloomer". When I left high school at 17 I was under 40kg. Didn't grow properly till I was in my early twenties. But I always kicked arse at sport. Cross Country School champ, 4th in Auckland. Auckland development squad for tennis and all those other middle class sports.

With regard to hitting the gym. It didn't make a difference. I was a (weight category under 40kg) national judo champion in my mid teens, but wiry as anything, and as cunning as a weasel. Now I can manhandle my 90kg flatmate hahahaha. Anyway, that's my freak story. Back to motorbikes. I think the hornet should be capable of under 15 seconds.

Now it's time for one of you hornet enthusiasts to GET US THE PROOF.

I'm going to ask my dad if he wants me to prove his '08hayabusa can do 10seconds hahahah.

Shit, you were a wee one weren't yah?? I have a sibling who is like that. incredibly sporty, but tiny. I am 6 ft 3 and normally around 95-100 kg. After no boxing and weights for 6 months I am the lightest in a long itme at 90kg. Sometimes I really wish I was smaller. I get hip cramp on the gsxr. :weep:

[wbks]

Bike motorsport is are about the only area of sport where you can know that you are at an advantage for being short and underwight!

[NOMIS]

Bike motorsport is are about the only area of sport where you can know that you are at an advantage for being short and underwight!

and midget throwing.

[MIXONE]

And jockeys!

[wbks]

Just generally riding stuff and tossing...




This could get dirty...

[Badger8]

and midget throwing.

i dunno, reckon i could throw one a fair way... :bleh:

oh wait... nah, that's the right way round... :2thumbsup

[Delerium]

I plan on getting a hornet in february, after I get some coin from spending 7 weeks in waiouru. Ill run it at the strip and see what a noob is capable of.

[NOMIS]

I plan on getting a hornet in february, after I get some coin from spending 7 weeks in waiouru. Ill run it at the strip and see what a noob is capable of.

what u down there for i spent 4 months ther loved it.

Good luck with the hornet. I plan on racing mine to

[EJK]

I'm 50kg and 160cm :p

You need more than that to kick start my bike! :bleh:

[PirateJafa]

I'm 50kg and 160cm :p

You fat bugger, I've got 20cm on you, but only weigh in at 55kgs. ;)

I love being able to eat whatever I want (and lots of it) and stick at 55 kilos. :niceone:

[NOMIS]

You fat bugger, I've got 20cm on you, but only weigh in at 55kgs. ;)

I love being able to eat whatever I want (and lots of it) and stick at 55 kilos. :niceone:

Thats shocking man absoultly shocking....

I eat what ever I want to. but im 70kg and 10com shorter than you. a ctualy i keep jumping between 70 and 73 lol

Should get one of you smaller skinny runty guys to ride a hornet down 400m lol

[Slyer]

I've got plenty of weight on me should I ever decide to work out. :whistle:

[BANZAI]

LOL it's slightly getting offtopic but perhaps the weight of rider is very important especially 250s :p

[steelestring]

Sure is..... I always get owned a bit by friends! 188 cm tall and 98kgs with no kit on, dry weight, with a shave.:lol: I was not blessed with a moto gp body. But when your big, you dont need to hang off as much... because you have lots hanging out already :clap: Stable and sure footed on the road :headbang:

[DELLORTO]

ive dragged a nissian primera 2ltr off off my polini and my polini does 0-80 in around 4 seconds.......insane on such a small bike!

[.produKt]

Been here and done this. Lower Moorhouse end before Fitz ave in chch.

Me in the middle lane on a completely stock CBR250RR.
Left lane. A white Merc with large fag wheels and a driver to match. Right hand lane Deep blue Mitzi Evo GSR or evo 2/3.
Cleaned em both up ;)

I love my cbr SO much. only 45hp but simply WICKED acceleration. Almost as if the hp rating is a lie :P

I don't condone street racing either but when they eye you up at the lights it quickly becomes "Oh why not?!" lol

Videos to come :P

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Been here and done this. Lower Moorhouse end before Fitz ave in chch.

Me in the middle lane on a completely stock CBR250RR.
Left lane. A white Merc with large fag wheels and a driver to match. Right hand lane Deep blue Mitzi Evo GSR or evo 2/3.
Cleaned em both up ;)

I love my cbr SO much. only 45hp but simply WICKED acceleration. Almost as if the hp rating is a lie :P

I don't condone street racing either but when they eye you up at the lights it quickly becomes "Oh why not?!" lol

Videos to come :P

Good old Moorehouse Ave; the scene of many a good street race. Once I was in the GTIR and I lined up my mates Caldina GTT down there, he got done for 102kmh in a 50 zone and I didn't even get rolled!