2t / 4t poll

[B0000M]

assuming the bike you wanted was still being produced, and you were to buy a new bike, would it be 4 stroke or 2 stroke and which best describes your riding

[Buddy L]

After changing from 2t to 4t i just can't bring my self to going back to 2t.
Already got my dream bike!!
But sill have a little hankering to ride a 125 2t again

[scracha]

4 stroke cos I got bogged down due to my offroad noobness

[4stroke]

4 stroke aye, i just love the torque and the boogy of the 450s when ya need it, saving for a new bike now, hopefully should be a mint one too, but its not a honda

[arj127]

My personal favorite is the modern 250 4 stroke, easy as to ride, mega traction and engine braking.

But thats not to say i dont like the two stroke, would rather just ride a four, and leave the strokers to the pros.

Will be gutted to see the 2t phased out

[telliman]

yeah im loving my 4t, havnt mx it yet but from the three rides iv had at woodhill im hanging to get on a track to get a better assesment,keeping my 2t for fun!

[barty5]

As 4stroke stated got love the pure grunt of the 450/4s had a few 250/s just not the same not that they were bad bike lots a trick bits on them. so far the 450 is just fine straight out of the box.

[Pierce]

Always been a 2T man myself.

Ride my 250 4 stroke so much faster than my 250 two stroke but it's not the same buzz. I love the feeling of drifting it out on a 2T, the sound and the smell is to die for. 4T's are way more rideable but I ride to have fun not to be the fastest out there. If I was racing it'd be on a thumper but i'm not hence the 2T

[RobRod]

2t's were awesome in there day but 4t's have come so far & injection/electronics are advancing at a rapid pace that there will be even more power to come, although the way diesels are advancing and emission's etc from petrol 4t's we all may be riding them soon !!!

[warewolf]

Uugghhh! Every time I get on a 4T or even try to roll one on to the trailer, they are sooooo heavy. They sound like a rattly can of the most rattly stuff you can get. Crack the throttle and it is wait... wait... wait for it, we're gonna make some power soon... uh, too late!

I might be faster on a modern small-bore 4T but 4Ts are heavy, noisy & dull. Part of the reason I ride (and race) is for the fun of it. 2Ts are exciting and don't have the weight or maintenance penalty.

[krad_nz]

Interesting read.

I'm going to be upgrading from my 1983 XL250R (117kg) at some point this summer.

Really torn between a KDX200 and some 250 4T. Quite like the look of Yamaha's etc. Not sure on which model would suit me for trail riding only.

[NordieBoy]

I might be faster on a modern small-bore 4T but 4Ts are heavy, noisy & dull. Part of the reason I ride (and race) is for the fun of it. 2Ts are exciting and don't have the weight or maintenance penalty.

Get an old twin shock XR if you don't like maintenance :D
Fill it up at the start of the season and you're set.

I must say that after a 3-hour cross country I wouldn't mind my engine in a modern(ish) frame with actual suspension and brakes :crybaby:

[cheese]

I love my 2 stroke cause I can work on it. No doubt when I get a 4 stroke (cause there is no option) I'll just figure it out. The thing that really puts me off a 4 stroke is the cost of parts and servicing.

[scott411]

i love riding four stroke mx bikes, but i beleive we need two strokes for racing because of the reasons Cheese puts above,

[-df-]

voted 4t for trail riding, but it would be a 4t MX bike (KTM SXF250).

Just sold my CR250 so on the look out now for one!

[secondfield]

A 4 4 sure. They sure dont smell as good as a 2 tanger but they sound like the hounds from hell are approaching. A bit more rideable in crappy conditions too possibly...

It seems that now the manufacturers have taught them to rev out properly ther' all the go... A bit more high maint, but thats all part of the fun too.

In a perfect world though we would all have a mid eighties air cooled YZ490 primed in the shed, just to remind us of the days of serious power delivery...:niceone:

[scott411]

In a perfect world though we would all have a mid eighties air cooled YZ490 primed in the shed, just to remind us of the days of serious power delivery...:niceone:

that would be be cool, personally id 90's or 00's KX500, screw trying to use drum brakes again, ;)

[Sketchy_Racer]

Give me a KX500 any day over any of them thumping clatterying clanky 4Ts :p

[quallman1234]

2T for me.

hehe we are winning, come to the dark side all .:2thumbsup

[kevfromcoro]

well ..after doing a bit of MX...and enduro riding..in my ealier days..
i found riding a 4t a bit flat.
give me a 2t anyday

[warewolf]

Get an old twin shock XR if you don't like maintenance :DIndeed, a late-model XR-R would be my preference. The potential maintenance $$$ in the WRF/CRF range scares me a little, but no doubt I will go for something like that eventually if it has to be a modern thing. It is the way forward. Sounds like they are getting to the point that they do hold together well long-term.

[Danger]

The day I let go of my two strokes will be the day you have to prise my cold lifeless fingers from the bars.:oi-grr:

[Pierce]

The day I let go of my two strokes will be the day you have to prise my cold lifeless fingers from the bars.:oi-grr:


Haha YEAAAAH good call:wari:

[crazyxr250rider]

I couldnt decide so I bought both!! I find the 2t more enjoyable on trail rides and just mucking round on the farm but for racing nothing beats a 450 4t.

[cr125nz]

had a 4 stroke and my 2 stroke but will have to say my new cr 2 stroke is the go so for me 2 stroke

[vr4king]

Im finding it hard to vote as they both have good pionts and bad ones too.............I own a 2T but im very aware of the appeal a 4T has


I wanna know if given a choice what the pros would prefer to ride...As we all know they all on 4T's cause that what they have to be on

[DEATH_INC.]

The four strokes are sooo easy to ride....but gimme the explosive blast of a 2 stroke anyday.....:laugh:

[4stroke]

Indeed, a late-model XR-R would be my preference. The potential maintenance $$$ in the WRF/CRF range scares me a little, but no doubt I will go for something like that eventually if it has to be a modern thing. It is the way forward. Sounds like they are getting to the point that they do hold together well long-term.

the four strokes arent that hi matainace, i done over 300 hours on my 02 crf450 really all it cost me was oil and filters. and a piston every hundred hours.

[arj127]

2Ts are exciting and don't have the weight or maintenance penalty.

I don't have anything against 2 strokes, have owned a few and enjoyed them. But the first ride i had in 01 on a 250f converted me. The bike was simply fun to ride, there was no going back from there.

I don't understand all this maintenance thing that people are reffering to. My last 250f had done 140 hours, and was pulled down by a good bike mechanic just for peace of mind and it was found that the internals were still in mint condition. Is this because i changed the oil after every second ride, and the air filter after each ride?? I don't know, but i never had any misfortune with any of the 4 strokes that i had owned. But then i wasn't a pro class rider ringing the f out of it either.

Personally i think an average weekend rider will be better off with a modern four stroke for the ease of riding and the primo grippy tracking that they give, never mind the awesome roost that comes of the back tyre!

I want another 250f

[NordieBoy]

the four strokes arent that hi matainace, i done over 300 hours on my 02 crf450 really all it cost me was oil and filters. and a piston every hundred hours.

My XR250 ran for 25 years on the first piston and has got 4 years on the second.

Tyres every few seasons, oil once or twice a season and petrol every 3 or 4 races :D

[arj127]

My XR250 ran for 25 years on the first piston and has got 4 years on the second.

Tyres every few seasons, oil once or twice a season and petrol every 3 or 4 races :D

Hmmmm, not quite the same output as the modern 4 banger though

[NordieBoy]

Hmmmm, not quite the same output as the modern 4 banger though

18 hp should be enough for anyone :D

With the right rider on board it has embarrased more than a few modern bikes.
Dosn't have the grunt to get past but can stick right up their chuff and then after the race "Yeah mate the old 500 goes well" when they find it's a li'll 250 the look on their faces is priceless :Punk:

[arj127]

18 hp should be enough for anyone :D

With the right rider on board it has embarrased more than a few modern bikes.
Dosn't have the grunt to get past but can stick right up their chuff and then after the race "Yeah mate the old 500 goes well" when they find it's a li'll 250 the look on their faces is priceless :Punk:

wasn't hassling the bike nordie, was just pointing out the difference in maintenance schedules between the old 4t & the new, there's a few more cams and valves that need fresh oil in the new 250f's

[oldguy]

I'd be happy with either or. as anything would be better than what I'm riding. will have to win lotto i guess.

[NordieBoy]

wasn't hassling the bike nordie, was just pointing out the difference in maintenance schedules between the old 4t & the new, there's a few more cams and valves that need fresh oil in the new 250f's

:D

Isn't the CRF a unicam?
The '79 XR250 was a unicam 4 valve as well.

But the modern bikes do have more than double the HP and the piston itself is about 100th the weight.

I think with the modern 4st and 2st there is about the same amount of maintainance required. It's just with the 4st that maintainance takes a lot longer and can cost a lot more.

[warewolf]

With the right rider on board it has embarrased more than a few modern bikes.
Dosn't have the grunt to get past but can stick right up their chuff and then after the race "Yeah mate the old 500 goes well" when they find it's a li'll 250 the look on their faces is priceless :Punk:I know that look well; used to get it when I had the DR-Z250, mostly in the company of bigger bikes - like litre-class roadies:

"That 400 sure gets along well!"

"It's only a 250..."

Priceless, indeed! :clap:

[D dub]

My personal favorite is the modern 250 4 stroke, easy as to ride, mega traction and engine braking.

But that's not to say i don't like the two stroke, would rather just ride a four, and leave the strokes to the pros.

Will be gutted to see the 2t phased out

Its only the Japs that are phasing them out! Ktm is still very much in full on development mode with the 2t, so look out for a fuel injected 300 2t coming sooner then you think!!!

[cheese]

Yeah looks liek I'll be going to an orange bike on the next one, mind you it will be YEARS before I get another bike. Next one will be one for my son!! :)

[4stroke]

Yeah looks liek I'll be going to an orange bike on the next one, mind you it will be YEARS before I get another bike. Next one will be one for my son!! :)

why not husqvarna, gasgas or tm there could be a dealer comming to the north shore!

[Rupe]

why not husqvarna, gasgas or tm there could be a dealer comming to the north shore!

Tell us more????

You still keen on a husky, those tm's get a good right up.

[4stroke]

yup dead set on a husky aye, looking at a txc450 its got the mx grunt and bark with the 6 speed box and enduro suspension and handling. spectrum mcs are looking at doing huskys and gasgas i think and maybe tm but unsure how they getting on with it all, gona give tuna a call tomorrow.

[Rupe]

yup dead set on a husky aye, looking at a txc450 its got the mx grunt and bark with the 6 speed box and enduro suspension and handling. spectrum mcs are looking at doing huskys and gasgas i think and maybe tm but unsure how they getting on with it all, gona give tuna a call tomorrow.


The huskys are ment to be a fast, hard bike, and very good (apparently), hope they are if you get one.

Be good for me if spectrum do that, they seem like good lads in there.

[4stroke]

The huskys are ment to be a fast, hard bike, and very good (apparently), hope they are if you get one.

Be good for me if spectrum do that, they seem like good lads in there.

yeah i told tuna that you had a gasgas, it'd make it easyr for you to get parts aye, and tunas the man on the parts.
i hope they do do the huskys and gasgas, cos i wont buy a husky from anyone else, i even get them to work on my honda from time to time.

[WRT]

The 4T's are easy to ride fast (or slow), they sound great and they use less petrol. But . . .

I can't go past the way a touch of throttle on the 2T's snaps the front wheel up round your ears, and slides the arse out. At the same time. In 4th gear.

Sure that makes them hard to ride. But who gives a fuck? It's fun. If I wanted easy to ride I'd get a quad.

Edit: Ignore my avatar, I've not bought a quad just yet.

[4stroke]

The 4T's are easy to ride fast (or slow), they sound great and they use less petrol. But . . .

I can't go past the way a touch of throttle on the 2T's snaps the front wheel up round your ears, and slides the arse out. At the same time. In 4th gear.

Sure that makes them hard to ride. But who gives a fuck? It's fun. If I wanted easy to ride I'd get a quad.

Edit: Ignore my avatar, I've not bought a quad just yet.


the only 2t thats ever snaped like that for me was a cr500 mind you im a lil big for a 250 2t

[NordieBoy]

Its only the Japs that are phasing them out! Ktm is still very much in full on development mode with the 2t, so look out for a fuel injected 300 2t coming sooner then you think!!!

Isn't Suzuki still making them?

[secondfield]

Ummm, yep, there gonna churn out another couple of seasons worth.

[Danger]

The 4T's sound great.

Well I guess that comes down to your own tastes, I think 4 $trokes $ound $hit where as a well muffled well jetted two stroke on the pipe sounds awesome.
I also think 4 $ylinder cars that go "piss churrr...." $ound $hit and I prefer the $ound of a V8. Perhaps it has more to do with volume.

[Pierce]

[QUOTE=Danger;1679883]Well I guess that comes down to your own tastes, I think 4 $trokes $ound $hit where as a well muffled well jetted two stroke on the pipe sounds awesome. QUOTE]

Yeah I agree, factory spec 4T's sound mean and I still like the sound of a stock CRF BUT...
When I hear a nicely tuned 2T it's enough to make me wet my pants. To me it's the sound I grew up hearing and love it.

In regards to injected 2T, I know Yamaha Japan has been working on their injection into the YZ's and expected to be out 2011:wari::rockon:

[D dub]

[QUOTE=Danger;1679883]Well I guess that comes down to your own tastes, I think 4 $strokes $ound $hit where as a well muffled well jetted two stroke on the pipe sounds awesome. QUOTE]

Yeah I agree, factory spec 4T's sound mean and I still like the sound of a stock CRF BUT...
When I hear a nicely tuned 2T it's enough to make me wet my pants. To me it's the sound I grew up hearing and love it.

In regards to injected 2T, I know Yamaha Japan has been working on their injection into the Yz and expected to be out 2011:wari::rockon:

The Ktm will be here much earlier!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[WRT]

the only 2t thats ever snaped like that for me was a cr500 mind you im a lil big for a 250 2t

Here's a post I prepared earlier (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=598456#post598456) . . . it wasn't wheel spinning that time, but "snap" is a great way to discribe how the front came up in fourth.



Well I guess that comes down to your own tastes, I think 4 $trokes $ound $hit where as a well muffled well jetted two stroke on the pipe sounds awesome.

Yeah I agree, factory spec 4T's sound mean and I still like the sound of a stock CRF BUT...
When I hear a nicely tuned 2T it's enough to make me wet my pants. To me it's the sound I grew up hearing and love it.

The difference for me is that the 2T's sound great when their at full noise, but the 4T's sound great all the time, revving, engine braking, even idling.

The problem with the 4T sound is how far it carries . . .

[theblacksmith]

I currently have a 2t - I would nt mind one of each.

[scorry]

I love 4t, but like riding with 2t just for the smell when you are following them.
nothin like the wheelies you can pull on 4t tho, its just so easy with so much consistant power.

[B0000M]

I love 4t, but like riding with 2t just for the smell when you are following them.
nothin like the wheelies you can pull on 4t tho, its just so easy with so much consistant power.

i wouldve said the opposite, the 250F's dont have enough power to do decent wheelies at speed, and the 450s seem to run out of revs too soon, nothing beats cracking a fat wheelie of my CR250R in 5th crusing past everyone on a straight section of a trail :Punk:

[Pierce]

nothing beats cracking a fat wheelie of my CR250R in 5th crusing past everyone on a straight section of a trail :Punk:

Haha I must agree, I was at the trail blazer with my bro and a couple mates. One on a CRF250, a CR125 and a honda/christini AWD 450 and my CR 250 would just pop the front up so easily in 5th:headbang::clap::first: Can't beat the feeling of passing someone with your front wheel in the air:banana:

[WeeHaggis]

2 Stroke cause i got one, had a 4stroke, but not what i want out of riding. Gotta be honest, i'm new to this game but i love the workout of the 2 stroke, 4 stroke made for lazy riding IMO!

[telliman]

Haha I must agree, I was at the trail blazer with my bro and a couple mates. One on a CRF250, a CR125 and a honda/christini AWD 450 and my CR 250 would just pop the front up so easily in 5th:headbang::clap::first: Can't beat the feeling of passing someone with your front wheel in the air:banana:

me cant do wheelies anyway!!

[CHOPPA]

Id buy a kx500 if they still sold them! Id say ill be getting a injected kxf450 though

[dammad1]

Id buy a kx500 if they still sold them! Id say ill be getting a injected kxf450 though

A company in the states are putting together new KX500's and CR500's and putting them into modern frames, they have had really good reviews and If I had the cash for a second bike I would defiantly consider bringing one in just as a play bike.

[xr-rider]

Id buy a kx500 if they still sold them! Id say ill be getting a injected kxf450 though

they still do, a company in america. they make the cr500 as well,
heres the link http://www.mps500af.com/

[xr-rider]

i had a cr80 for trail riding then i went to a twin carb xr200 which has made me lazy now ive gone back to a 2 stroke, nothing but bad luck with it so far.

[CHOPPA]

they still do, a company in america. they make the cr500 as well,
heres the link http://www.mps500af.com/

Yeah ive seen those guys and also service honda do them, trick bikes but expensive! Theres a guy on trade me that imports kx500s reckons he could put 1 in my 450 frame! Then i could put my 450 in a go kart!!!