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pyrocam
7th August 2008, 18:46
this is similar to outlawtorns thread here http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=52318&highlight=crash but perhaps a little more learner-centric,

stolen from another forum, who stole it who stole it blah:

With all the people going down so early in the season, I thought I'd post a reminder to for the riders out there. Have fun and keep the shiny side up.

1. We crash on cold tires. Respect them by giving them a few miles to warm up, especially if they're brand new. After stopping to eat or something, remember you're not the only thing that has cooled down, allow your tires sufficient time to warm up again.

2. We crash on overloaded tires. If you are new to riding or rusty after a winter layoff, applying too much throttle or brake while leaned over could be very costly. Our tires can provide amazing levels of traction but they're not immune to "lead" hands. The instinct of grabbing a handful of front brake while leaned over will put you in the guardrail.

3a. We crash because we underestimate the road effects. those road snakes look ok but they might send your back wheel into the barrier 3 lanes to the right (I KNOW THIS!)

3b. We crash trying to keep up. Ultimate speed on a back road has little to do with the bike and everything to do with the rider. Once you realize this, twisting the throttle WFO to keep your friends in sight on the straights while losing them in the corners becomes a non-option. Ride your own pace.

4. We crash because we want to go fast. Sometimes, even the posted speed limit is inappropriate. Coming over a blind crest at 80kph might be too fast if you can't stop the bike before hitting the hazard you only see when it's too late. Speed reduces time to react and adds distance to react in emergency situations.

5. We crash because we bail out. How many posts have there been about entering a corner too hot, standing the bike up and running out of road before getting the bike stopped? Too hot means your brain is probably freaked out but there is still plenty of tire traction available. LOOK through the corner, LEAN the bike until hard parts drag, BELIEVE in modern tire technology.

6. We crash because we lose our focus. The bike travels 27.7meters per second at 100 kph. A moment's inattention puts you that much farther into a corner. Think about the next corner, not the one you just blew. That one is over, focus on getting the next one right.

7. We crash because we rush corner entrances. Slow in, fast out works for racers season after season. It works for road riders too. Slow down a bit on your corner entrances and see how much smoother you become.

8. We crash because we can't keep up with the motorcycle. Make sure your software is the equal of your bikes hardware. The bike has the ability to go 200kph, that doesn’t mean YOU do.

9. We crash trying to look cool. If it takes wheelies, stoppies and other stunts to impress your friends...you need new friends.

10. We crash because we don't practice enough. If you are going to be riding at 100kph you should practice emergency braking at 100kph. Otherwise, how are you going to know how to do it when the situation comes up?

11. We crash because of indecisiveness. If you're going to do something, then do it. If your bud decides to go through a red light and you decide to stop, then STOP!... and vice versa.. if you decide to go, then GO!, don't stop.

12. Communication in group riding, make sure you understand what to do and what the signals mean.

p.s. Alcohol dosen't help either. Use your head.





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Motorcycle safety


Motorcyclists have a high vulnerability to sustaining injuries on the road given their limited protection in the event of a crash.

Issues

Protective clothing
One of the most effective measures motorcyclists can take to avoid or lessen certain types of injuries is by wearing full protective gear.


Visibility
One of the most common crash types involving motorcycles involves other vehicles. A proportion of these result from other road users failing to see the motorcyclist. The use of daytime running lights and bright coloured motorcycles and clothing can help to address this issue. Methods of improving the way other road users perceive motorcyclists on the road need to be explored and acted upon.

Alcohol
Riding demands greater co-ordination, balance and concentration than driving. Effects of alcohol are therefore far more dramatic for riders, even at levels under the legal limit

Experience
Inexperience amongst motorcyclists is a contributing factor in many motorcycle crashes. As with car drivers, experience is critical in making motorcyclists safer on the roads. However, whilst inexperienced drivers normally fall within the age group of 18 to 25 years, inexperienced riders can be of any age. This is partly due to individuals taking up riding later in life and partly as a result of riders taking up motorcycling again after many years of not riding at all.

Number One
7th August 2008, 18:49
always good to be reminded of the some of the basics of how to avoid garking up my purdy baby. :sunny:

madandy
7th August 2008, 18:58
Bloody great post!

Given too much rep in last 24hours...

Cruisin' Craig
7th August 2008, 19:03
A good summaary of basic survival skills I think.

I'm afraid I'm guilty of several of these errors. Number five is quite hard to train yourself out of I found.

CB ARGH
7th August 2008, 19:18
Cheers for the copy and paste! :shifty:

Good info there, thanks mate.

slofox
7th August 2008, 19:22
The bike has the ability to go 200kph, that doesn’t mean YOU do.

Well said that man!

sinfull
7th August 2008, 19:29
A good summaary of basic survival skills I think.

I'm afraid I'm guilty of several of these errors. Number five is quite hard to train yourself out of I found.
Yeah that has to be the worst for even experienced guys to get out of the head and then of course comes fixating on where you will end up, instead of looking round the corner and just doing it !

1billyboy
7th August 2008, 19:32
Great post

Always look to were you want to be.

If you are turning right push the right handlebar forward and if you are running out of road push it forward more.

savante
7th August 2008, 19:34
Yeah posts like this one are always good to read. As a noobie I always appreciate more knowledge if it helps me enjoy what i'm doing even more.

Thanks for the post. :)

BiK3RChiK
7th August 2008, 19:46
Blimmin awesome re-post of a post! +1 from me...

riffer
7th August 2008, 20:23
Interesting.

I've only crashed 5 times in my riding life (29 years on bikes) but I've been guilty of all 12 at least once each.

Good post.

Bend-it
15th August 2008, 08:04
Interesting.

I've only crashed 5 times in my riding life (29 years on bikes) but I've been guilty of all 12 at least once each.

Good post.

5 times in 29 years?!?! Ya noob!

I've only been riding 4 years, and have crashed 3 times already! get a move on! :Punk:

Radar
15th August 2008, 08:12
Good post, thanks Pyrocam. :niceone:

I need to be reminded of these safety points. We all do.

Losing focus (inattention) and going too fast are the biggies for me.

riffer
17th August 2008, 19:35
5 times in 29 years?!?! Ya noob!

I've only been riding 4 years, and have crashed 3 times already! get a move on! :Punk:

I'm not counting dirt bikes. :yes:

101bob
21st August 2008, 08:00
6. We crash because we lose our focus.

This is a big one,We get tried so quick hard riding and fast ,we loose focus and then there a corner , Rest should be done every hour stop stand up walk around even a drink,but 5 mins a must, I know some people 400kms and only stop for gas

Resto lad
21st August 2008, 08:09
Wow that was superbness
well explained & written
no shit me not read reasons why
good coaching .
applause applause rapturous applause :clap:
thanks

Irontusk
23rd August 2008, 00:34
I almost crashed due to number 5 tonight, I just didn't lean into the corner properly going through a rounabout, ended up kicking the grass and riding in the gutter, barely missing the curb. Have to commit to your corners.. something I'm trying to learn. Funny that it's the first place that I ever understeerd in a car too! (and only place in one of my cars, rear wheel drive!)

awayatc
23rd August 2008, 03:24
I need to be reminded of these safety points. We all do.



reminding yourself would be the way to go......

:scooter:

Regarding visibility.....why oh why is 99% of all bike gear black?

Salival
16th September 2008, 23:06
Definitely guilty of number five, time and again. And it's self-reinforcing! My bike is much better than I am - need to lift my game!

Thanks for the reminders, great post.

James Deuce
16th September 2008, 23:14
Regarding visibility.....why oh why is 99% of all bike gear black?

It doesn't matter what you wear. The psychology of threat identification and the physiology of motion camouflage mean that we are never going to be seen unless people are taught extensively to look. How to look and what to look for.

Okey Dokey
17th September 2008, 09:31
What a very good post. Lots of things to think about. Well done! (the post not the crashing)

davebullet
19th September 2008, 08:07
Keep your eyes up - my biggest problem. When you actually look through your exit, and trust the line you've set for your bike in a bend / turn, you feel much more relaxed.

Getting confidence in wet weather will take me some time

Sparrowhawk
2nd October 2008, 15:48
Number 5 is Alive! I caught myself out with it on Saturday through the Hunua Gorge. Came into a coupla corners too hot & lost my nerve. Luckily, I had the space to straighten up, bleed off a bit of speed, then go round. The bike coulda handled it if I'd just leant it over some more, and just ridden it through. After that, ran with the slow in / fast out concept...

portokiwi
2nd October 2008, 16:41
:shit: I crash becouse I am a shocking rider:laugh:.
None of this I should have could have. At the end of the day I am the one one that is battered and brusied:confused:
Bike looks like its a gypsy reject.
But the points that has been placed on this thread is great ..... gives me more resons to think what I do wrong.

madbikeboy
2nd October 2008, 17:13
Number 5 is a tough one. I do a goodly number of track days every year, and the reason / logic is simple. When you're on a track you get to repeat the same corner over and over. One thing I like to do is experiment with lines, different braking points, different points for turning in. It is astounding how late / deep into a corner you can tip a bike and push through the corner if you're relaxed and thinking clearly, and of course looking through the corner.

We use distance to judge gaps, not speed, and in a sense, we need to calibrate our mind to work out what is really too fast.

Depending on the bike you ride, you can push it much harder into a corner than you'd believe. There are so many variables, tires/heat/road surface/camber/rider ability/rider depth perception/throttle control/balance/perception of speed or danger/attention, focus, or lack thereof... And then there is self belief and faith. :)

Good post, and it's great to see that people think about this stuff.

MBB.

true-to-life
3rd October 2008, 09:59
Great stuff, I need to see and read this a lot more. Thanx heaps.

Quasievil
3rd October 2008, 10:07
MOST crashes which are serious enough to cause injury to a biker are single vehicle crashes resulting PURELY from the rider going to fast and forgeting he is on a public road.

As long as there are Morons on bikes treating the road like a race track they will continue to die and crash.

here is my top tips for not crashing

1/ Dont go on group rides (defined by me as greater than three)
2/ Dont go fast on a public road
3/ Make sure your bike is mechanically top notch

thats it

If you want to go fast leave it for the track, or let your freinds and family suffer the results

The Stranger
3rd October 2008, 10:25
It doesn't matter what you wear. The psychology of threat identification and the physiology of motion camouflage mean that we are never going to be seen unless people are taught extensively to look. How to look and what to look for.

Lance is right madam.
It don't matter a toss what you are wearing - unless it is a patch or Police insignia.
Do you really think that the Head Hunters have a problem being seen wearing black leathers on black bikes?

2 of my closest calls have been cars pulling out whilst looking me in the eye.
I watch (among other things) for recognition the a driver has seen me. I know they bloody saw me.
Any guess as to what the excuse would have been had we connected?

rina
10th October 2008, 17:08
black snakes!
does this happen often? there are so many of them!

i know they obviously look slippery and you shouldnt ride on them, but i stupidly ended up on some exiting a corner in glenfield recently where they are finishing some road works, and it just lay me straight down (it was first rain mind you).
how can such a hazard be standard practice for road maintainence?! i had a go at a nearby roadworker for it but he didnt know shit from clay and creepily asked me if i wanted 'first aid'

moT
10th October 2008, 17:14
People crash because there noob!!

James Deuce
10th October 2008, 17:20
People crash because there noob!!

That's "they're noob!!"

n00b.

moT
10th October 2008, 17:22
That's "they're noob!!"

n00b.

im L337 you n00b

James Deuce
10th October 2008, 17:39
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riffer
10th October 2008, 18:23
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pyrocam
11th October 2008, 09:23
black snakes!
does this happen often? there are so many of them!

i know they obviously look slippery and you shouldnt ride on them, but i stupidly ended up on some exiting a corner in glenfield recently where they are finishing some road works, and it just lay me straight down (it was first rain mind you).
how can such a hazard be standard practice for road maintainence?! i had a go at a nearby roadworker for it but he didnt know shit from clay and creepily asked me if i wanted 'first aid'


Tell me about it! i should be getting my bike back some time in the next couple weeks (been a month in the shop)

they are deceptivly dangerous sometimes. took me by surprise I wasnt even going around that sharp of a corner

born disturbed
25th October 2008, 00:00
Can I add to it though something alot of riders seem to forget.

Having a good night out the night before a big ride is all well & good, but heavy drinking (even just a few more than you should) dehydration & a lack of sleep can severly impact on concentration levels while riding, which I have seen lead to all sorts of accidents over time.

You can always use more rest, water & energy on a ride

Keep safe :Police:

Cheers Jared:banana: