Auckland. Diehards for drug making

[slimjim]

Well awoke to sad news of a police officer Shot and killed..

sadden for his or hers family...:weep:

but Come on Nz.. why the fuck head into a drug making house at 2am.. no fucking nightsight glasses.. no fucking armed defenders .. but cop's with knife vest.. at 2am.. fuck aren't the frontline cops that should be walking into this.. but the fat and office assed prick's who are lying at home in bed.:2guns:so why the fuck wasn't the raid hit in dawn.with armed defenders frontline busting in.. nope really wonder what the fuck..police they can stop buses with kids on..and charge people as terrorist's.... but can't send those armed people to a "P" house .....Auckland feel real sorry for you's..

[WoodyTKA]

You dont know the full story yet mate it mite not have been a raid but a demestic??

[Swoop]

Harold says that they were there to plant a "tracking device" on a car located at that address.

[WoodyTKA]

Yea just heard the news not good another reasion why the police should be armed

[slimjim]

they are armed.. however it was knowen as a drug house.. and they know that these dealers are there to make money.. not friend's and a holden clubsport is normally in the drive... however i speak only as i felt that the armed defenders should have been the ones to enter.. at 2am and down a right of way ..

[The Stranger]

Yea just heard the news not good another reasion why the police should be armed

Would that have saved this life?
Please do explain how.

[Quasievil]

Would that have saved this life?
Please do explain how.

They would of had the ability to fire back which even if oppresive fire it would have aided their escape.
If they are doing that kind of activity they SHOULD have armed officers at least outside incase shit goes down, turning up at a suspected P lab at 2 am without uniforms on and hanging around the occupants vehicles looking suspicious is nothing but stupid policing.

It would have been better practice to have a small squad of AOS outside so if the occupants did come out at least a order to lie down and drop your weapons would carry some kind of weight, no question about that.

This Shooting incident (on the face of it) displays to me poor Policing, which no doubt is a resource issue.

[WoodyTKA]

Maybe not this life, do you think this will be the last time a cop is killed in the line of duty.

[portokiwi]

I agree they should have been armed. It was a covert opp.
That way they could have defended themselves if they encounted problems.
A wepon is there as a last resort, and the fact that they were planting a tracking device on a suspect vech. on a house that is known for the produce of P they knew that there was a real threat.
I feel so sorry for the family and friends and the rest of the NZ police that another officer has lost his life doing their duty to protect us.

[The Stranger]

They would of had the ability to fire back which even if oppresive fire it would have aided their escape.
If they are doing that kind of activity they SHOULD have armed officers at least outside incase shit goes down, turning up at a suspected P lab at 2 am without uniforms on and hanging around the occupants vehicles looking suspicious is nothing but stupid policing.

It would have been better practice to have a small squad of AOS outside so if the occupants did come out at least a order to lie down and drop your weapons would carry some kind of weight, no question about that.

This Shooting incident (on the face of it) displays to me poor Policing, which no doubt is a resource issue.

With you 100% there Quasi.
But I really don't see this as "another reasion why the police should be armed" as a general statement.

[slimjim]

Maybe not this life, do you think this will be the last time a cop is killed in the line of duty.


TRUTH................... Nope It Won't Be..........

[fire eyes]

Maybe the 2am raid served to catch said offenders off guard?? .. all in all, not quite the result they were hoping for maybe???

You swear to serve .. you risk death. Simple concept.

[Quasievil]

With you 100% there Quasi.
But I really don't see this as "another reasion why the police should be armed" as a general statement.

Im on the fence in relation to general issue, but fact is there are arms available in senior staffed cars, question is why werent these or the AOS deployed in a high risk operation like this...........just in case, fuck I remember clocks in rural Waikato on duck shooting season......just in case

[Quasievil]

You swear to serve .. you risk death. Simple concept.

What a stupid thing to say.
Here is parallel for you, I challenge you to put this into a RIP bike thread

You learn to ride......you risk death. Simple concept

[fire eyes]

What a stupid thing to say.
Here is parallel for you, I challenge you to put this into a RIP bike thread

You learn to ride......you risk death. Simple concept


Keep it relevent dude .. we are talking about Police Officers in this thread. I totally admire the work they do & the courage they have for protecting us .. but its true. You swear to serve... you risk death.

[slimjim]

What a stupid thing to say.
Here is parallel for you, I challenge you to put this into a RIP bike thread

You learn to ride......you risk death. Simple concept


Dude .. about him saying a thought.. And You Calling Him STUPID to say only what he gave thought too....... why cops did a stupid act..

and your a mentor huh....

[fire eyes]

Dude .. about him saying a thought.. And You Calling Him STUPID to say only what he gave thought too....... why cops did a stupid act..

and your a mentor huh....

him? HER slimjim HER lol

[slimjim]

oopsssss So Sorry ...........Lady Dude..

[Big Dave]

The police should be armed. Heavily.
Widespread abuse of a drug that makes users psychotic has changed any previously existing conventions or rules.

I've lived with Smith & Wesson on every blue shirt most of my life. If you are a law abiding citizen it's a good thing.

[Quasievil]

Dude .. about him saying a thought.. And You Calling Him STUPID to say only what he gave thought too....... why cops did a stupid act..

and your a mentor huh....

And I said a thought to and that was it was a stupid thing to say, and I will say what I think just like you and anyone else, the fact that Im a mentor dont mean I cant speak my mind here, so chill out a bit sheeesh.

[ManDownUnder]

Know what - I'm happy to see the argument in here. We need to keep passionate about this stuff... it's not good enough. I'm all for absolutley SLAMMING the guys that did this. On drugs, off their faces, drunk, or sober.

I DON'T CARE. They did it - they pay.

We don't know all the facts yet but I suspect a heavily armed presence would have been more likely to tip the bad guys off... who knows how many times this has been done previously - safely.

[firefighter]

Keep it relevent dude .. we are talking about Police Officers in this thread. I totally admire the work they do & the courage they have for protecting us .. but its true. You swear to serve... you risk death.

Yep I risk death too.......so do you when you drive, pretty open statement there, ever been on a plane?......

[fire eyes]

And I said a thought to and that was it was a stupid thing to say, and I will say what I think just like you and anyone else, the fact that Im a mentor dont mean I cant speak my mind here, so chill out a bit sheeesh.

You expressed your thought .. which I respect .. you also laid out a challenge .. which I feel is irrelevent. I sincerely apologise for the fact you have taken my words out of context Quasi. I should have elaborated on my thoughts so you would have a better understanding of what I ment.


The situation posted by slimjim reiterated my feelings that being a Police Officer is a highly dangerous job .. hence my expression .. You swear to serve .. You risk death. Simple Concept.

[fire eyes]

Yep I risk death too.......so do you when you drive, pretty open statement there, ever been on a plane?......

Again .. I was responding to the topic of the thread.

[Quasievil]

You expressed your thought .. which I respect .. you also laid out a challenge .. which I feel is irrelevent. I sincerely apologise for the fact you have taken my words out of context Quasi. I should have elaborated on my thoughts so you would have a better understanding of what I ment.


The situation posted by slimjim reiterated my feelings that being a Police Officer is a highly dangerous job .. hence my expression .. You swear to serve .. You risk death. Simple Concept.

lol this is internet trip min stuff, Ok warm hugs and I apologise from this end, moving on now okay

[fire eyes]

lol this is internet trip min stuff, Ok warm hugs and I apologise from this end, moving on now okay

Reciprocated! :bleh: the beauty of the threads is to share our thoughts regadless of weather we agree with each other. :msn-wink:

[firefighter]

Know what - I'm happy to see the argument in here. We need to keep passionate about this stuff... it's not good enough. I'm all for absolutley SLAMMING the guys that did this. On drugs, off their faces, drunk, or sober.

I DON'T CARE. They did it - they pay.

We don't know all the facts yet but I suspect a heavily armed presence would have been more likely to tip the bad guys off... who knows how many times this has been done previously - safely.

agreed, seriously, i'm pretty sure the police doing their job know more about how to do their job than what you lot do, it's like the idiots that say things like- "why do you run a red light/interesection/drive so slow when responding, if I was driving the truck i'd be going way faster....." (and these statments also come from those without even holding a truck licence either!) point is, we don't know any real details, and i'm pretty sure they were acting according to protocol, to have the armed offenders there don't they have to evacuate neighbouring houses? Theres probably a no. of reasons the A.O.S wern't there, but I do think if police were armed people would think twice about fucking with them, after a ride along with Las Vegas P.D, I can tell you first hand, nobody they talked to that night fucked with them, because theyr'e armed to the teeth and can rough you up without the bullshit N.Z puts our poor cops through, their presence commands a lot of respect, especially when you see whats sitting on thier belt, pretty intimidating, N.Z is up there in the crime statistics and certainly not behind in the severity of crimes happening, perhaps we could give them the weapons to defend themselves, matching the crimes taking place for christ sake.A murder pretty much everyday now, I think it just may be the time......!No point dalaying the inevitable and putting our heads in the sand.Would be interesting to see what the cops on here think on the whole carrying guns issue.

Oh yeah, and last but not least, what this thread should really be saying and nothing more, condolences to the family, and his colleagues.

[firefighter]

Again .. I was responding to the topic of the thread.

Yeah, and again, you signed your drivers licence, you could die!!!!!driving is highly dangerous!!!MOre people die in MVCs than police officers that get shot!!! :bleh:

[fire eyes]

Yeah, and again, you signed your drivers licence, you could die!!!!!driving is highly dangerous!!!MOre people die in MVCs than police officers that get shot!!! :bleh:

Again, I emphasise .. topic relevence sweetheart :bleh:

Also, my condolences to the family of the officer.

[Quasievil]

Oh yeah, and last but not least, what this thread should really be saying and nothing more, condolences to the family, and his colleagues.


Yeah youre right with that to, and not really wanting to appear prompted but anyway, the news this morning was gut wrenching, no one should go to work to Die, its a sad situation and our family certainly offer our thoughts and wishes to all that where involved.

[southernmike]

<snip>

but Come on Nz.. why the fuck head into a drug making house at 2am..<snip>

They go at that time because the human body clock is slowest at 2-3am. Slowest reaction times etc. It supposed to minimise the risk of exactly what happened.

[MIXONE]

My condolences to the cop's family and friends.I say arm them.Sure I break the ocassional law but I'm certain no policeman or woman would waste me for speeding or smoking a bit of dack.

[98tls]

Thoughts to the dead officers family,tragic news.I say give the cops fucken tanks if that's what it takes,by and by the worlds turning into a pretty shitty place and it seems ludicrous that these guys have to deal with shitheads on a daily basis armed with a vest,baton and fingers crossed that the next person they deal with isnt some p head intent on killing the world.They are fighting our fight so why not at least put them on an equal footing.

[marty]

they always have, tl - t's just that the goal posts have shifted so far towards the bad guys that the cops are always on the back foot.

to plant a tracking device needs a high court order. planting of them happens reasonably frequently (if you are interesting enough) and is always one of the highest risk jobs - involves much sneaking around and basically being a 'bad guy'. the risks are huge - there is no requirement of the bad guys to follow any protocol, they don't have to answer to kangaroo court, or to the likes of keith locke. they are not limited to batons, then spray, then taser, then guns. will protect their patch with deadly force in the first instance.

RIP and my thoughts to the family

[Donor]

For those that cannot/will not understand:

The police officers did NOT "go into" this house.

They were on the exterior fitting a tracking device to a vehicle, well away from the dwelling.

Someone is dead.

Criticise their methods AFTER the family have had a chance to mourn their loss.

Fucking hell...

[imdying]

to plant a tracking device needs a high court order.IIRC a district court order is sufficient.

[marty]

that's what the Herald says, but I thought it was a HC judge - maybe that's just for an Interception Warrant.

Clip from the news:

Police said although neither of the two policemen shot was armed, there were armed police nearby for support.

"Sadly, the situation unfolded so quickly that they were unable to intervene to help their colleagues,' Mr Cox said.

Before the operation the property and occupants were the subject of a full risk assessment.

"There was nothing to indicate any undue risk to staff."

Details of the two policemen had yet to be released.

[Ixion]

I wonder if the killers realised that the guys they were chasing were cops ? They were plain clothes. And I guess, given that there's some sort of covert operation going on, the cops would probably have preferred the baddies to think they were just a couple of punks trying to steal the car.

Not saying it makes any odds either way, nasty folk willing to gun anyone down like that.

[firefighter]

For those that cannot/will not understand:

The police officers did NOT "go into" this house.

They were on the exterior fitting a tracking device to a vehicle, well away from the dwelling.

Someone is dead.

Criticise their methods AFTER the family have had a chance to mourn their loss.

Fucking hell...

Your Fucking Right There.My Sentiments Excatly.

[HenryDorsetCase]

....................

[Ixion]

Well, yes, but it was after all supposed to be a COVERT operation. They didn't want the gang to know they were "the subject of attention". Having a bunch of cops hanging around is a good way to make the crims figure something is going on. And pulling a gun and shouting "Police" if you get caught in the act is an even better way.

I don't suppose the cops actually expected the gang to come out shooting - it's a bit extreme even for them. And, absent the guns, a couple of punks try to steal a car, and at worst get bashed up by the car's owners, the operation is not comprimised.

[R6_kid]

Didn't they know that people on P don't sleep?

[imdying]

Didn't they know you can do a lot with a PIR and a lightbulb inside the house... :bugger:

[Jez]

Oh yeah, and last but not least, what this thread should really be saying and nothing more, condolences to the family, and his colleagues.

/agree
/sign

[imdying]

*snip waaaaaaaah*http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg155/sproketusmaximus/wambulance5fw.jpg

Never more appropriate than now...

As far as planning goes... plan for the worst, take a .45. As you say, they're fucked up P heads, they were hardly going to be happy about people snooping around their pad... given the money that revolves around P, it's a good bet that they're going to be armed in some way. Sadly, I can't help but thinking how much of a waaaaaah the bleeding heart liberals would've been having had the nice officers put a bullet through the skulls of these wankers.

[Donor]

moronic rambling

I tried to compose a well thought out reply.

But really, it's just a waste of key strokes...

[imdying]

I got nothing.Replying isn't actually mandatory ;)

[Patrick]

We don't know all the facts yet but I suspect a heavily armed presence would have been more likely to tip the bad guys off... who knows how many times this has been done previously - safely.

True. Low key, low risk... normally....

Sprung, but how? Paranoid on "P" is a possibility... but who knows. Have to wait and see.

One arse biscuit locked up for murder, another for "assault."

1 good guy dead. Rest in Peace brother....

Another good guy wounded... heal well, mate....

The media to make a circus out of this? :bash::argh:

[CookMySock]

geez that reminds me of the cop who ran out in front of some crim in a car.. apparrently in his job description it says he has to run in front of cars to put the spikes down.. :blink:

Steve

[Patrick]

Would be interesting to see what the cops on here think on the whole carrying guns issue.

:Offtopic: just a little... but since you ask...

Personally, I am not so keen on being armed all the time.

Unlike overseas, where they will draw and shoot if you try to have a go, the bleeding hearts here will moan about NZ Police doing things like that... they think we are all superman and can not be beaten by anyone.... look at the tazer moaners.

There is ALWAYS someone better than you out there.... someone willing to have a go, beat you in a wrestle and get a hold of your gun... you work out the ending.

But only here in NZ, would drawing a weapon on someone wanting to have a go, would be frowned upon by the vocal tree hugging civil libertarian minority....... in their rose coloured glasses, damn my civil liberty (or life) for upholding the law of the land, trying to make it safe for them and theirs...:angry2:

[Patrick]

geez that reminds me of the cop who ran out in front of some crim in a car.. apparrently in his job description it says he has to run in front of cars to put the spikes down.. :blink:

Steve

Yeah... like that is what happened...:tugger:

[Big Dave]

:Offtopic: just a little... but since you ask...

Personally, I am not so keen on being armed all the time.

Unlike overseas, where they will draw and shoot if you try to have a go, the bleeding hearts here will moan about NZ Police doing things like that... they think we are all superman and can not be beaten by anyone.... look at the tazer moaners.

There is ALWAYS someone better than you out there.... someone willing to have a go, beat you in a wrestle and get a hold of your gun... you work out the ending.

But only here in NZ, would drawing a weapon on someone wanting to have a go, would be frowned upon by the vocal tree hugging civil libertarian minority....... in their rose coloured glasses, damn my civil liberty (or life) for upholding the law of the land, trying to make it safe for them and theirs...:angry2:


In Aus it's a whole lot simpler than that.
Cops have a really big gun, handcuffs and a baton on their batbelt. They are all firearms trained.
If you f*ck with them - they will use any or all of them - it's understood.

[scumdog]

In Aus it's a whole lot simpler than that.
Cops have a really big gun, handcuffs and a baton on their batbelt. They are all firearms trained.
If you f*ck with them - they will use any or all of them - it's understood.

Likewise the States - most times crims use the term 'sir' a lot when speaking to cops.

And any playing-up and a whole truck-load of whip-arse is unleashed.

BTW: It was cops shot/beaten but I bet the cretins would have dealt to any other person the same in the same circumstances.

Would suck if you happen to be out on the turps and staggered by mistake up that drive-way eh??

[Maha]

Would that have saved this life?
Please do explain how.

Dont need school C to work that out.
Shoot first, Dirty Harry Styles.
P is for Punk!!!!

[Swoop]

I say give the cops fucken tanks if that's what it takes
Now that would be very subtle when turning up to do a covert surveilance or "bug" plant...

[devnull]

Shit there's some wankers around...

My thought and sympathies to the family and colleagues :(

Personally, it wouldn't bother me at all if cops were given the option to carry a sidearm AND choose the caliber.

Want a 9mm? fine. Desert Eagle? That's OK too...

[Number One]

RIP and condolences to the officers family, friends and all those who attended. Very sad and just NOT right at all...know some really good buggers in the force and it is scary to think about how the level of violence is so high out there.

Respect to all of you sworn officers that have to deal with the scum that exists in our society.

[CookMySock]

Yeah... like that is what happened...:tugger:No its not, but would YOU walk into the front yard of a known P lab at 2am without someone covering your back with a sizeable weapon? No, I don't think so - its an equally fucking stupid thing to do. "Review their procedures" I think so. :crazy:

Steve

[alanzs]

Someone died trying to protect us. They have my ultimate respect. Condolences to the family...

[Patrick]

No its not, but would YOU walk into the front yard of a known P lab at 2am without someone covering your back with a sizeable weapon? No, I don't think so - its an equally fucking stupid thing to do. "Review their procedures" I think so. :crazy:

Steve

They do this sort of thing day and night in, day and night out... without problems. Until now... A Review? For Sure.

Dumb arse comments about a cop walking out in the middle of the road to stop a vehicle? See the first three words of this paragraph....

[cs363]

Firstly, condolences to the surving police officers involved and families and associates.
While many of us on KB don't always see eye to eye with the boys & girls in blue I think the majority of us on KB are appalled at the harsh actions dealt out by these P freak drug dealers. As others have pointed out, I don't think it would have made much difference whether these wankers knew the guys they shot/beat up were police or not - it's a sad statement on our society all round.

I don't have an issue with many drugs as by and large (and excepting the criminal element that gets involved) they are usually a victimless crime and don't cause nearly as much 'damage' to society as legal drugs such as alcohol and cigarettes. The bloke with a couple of wacky weed plants at the bottom of his garden is a long, long way from the likes of the perpetrators of todays crime. Most of us have come into contact with various drugs and/or their users over the years but I've never seen anything that causes so many problems for society as P, this stuff is damned evil.

I can't believe some of the thoughtless, tasteless and downright stupid statements from some on here, especially when you consider a lot of the facts are not yet known. FFS have the decency to let the families and friends grieve their loss and wait for the full facts before making your ignorant and groundless statements regarding this sad incident.

[scumdog]

No its not, but would YOU walk into the front yard of a known P lab at 2am without someone covering your back with a sizeable weapon? No, I don't think so - its an equally fucking stupid thing to do. "Review their procedures" I think so. :crazy:

Steve

Nice troll.

Or are you another Monday morning quarter-back that knows jack-shit about what went on?

Put it international eh??

[CookMySock]

Nice troll. Or are you another Monday morning quarter-back that knows jack-shit about what went on?Thats rich coming from you who just writes the fucking ticket out. Thats what the detective said on the news. They guys are at WORK doing a JOB. When you DO your JOB you follow the fucken PROCEDURE or you DIE. Thats it. What the fuck was their support crew doing a WHOLE BLOCK away ? It goes without saying they should have been covered from across the street. Sharpen up or die.

I don't feel for them. I feel for their families they left behind though. Perhaps those on the job will start thinking about their own safety and their families instead of being so invincible. This bravado bullshit must end.

Steve

[Number One]

disrespect disrespect disrespect
OMG Steve?! WTF???

cs363 said it best I think....especially in that final paragraph. COme on dude

[CookMySock]

OMG Steve?! WTF???Yeah maybe. I'm not being mean about it. If it was your hubby dead coz hez not following the rulebook you would be mad. Really mad. They should think of their family, thats what I'm sayin.

It's not another martyred cop on a mission from god saving the children. It's someones family with no dad coz he knows better than the rulebook. He DOESN'T know better than the rulebook - He's DEAD because he was too smart for his own good. NOT smart - Dead - the permanent sort - the kind you don't get to argue about afterwards. Families need their dads, so cops sharpen up.

Steve

[Tank]

This bravado bullshit must end.


That coming from the biggest internet "tough guy" in New Zealand - fucken idiot.

(Like all of us) You know nothing about what has happened and your post is incredibly disrespectful to the officers who have been killed / hurt.

One day day you may need guys like this who are willing to put themselves on the line - so how about winding back the disrespect until you know some facts about it.

[Number One]

If it was your hubby dead coz hez not following the rulebook you would be mad. Really mad. They should think of their family, thats what I'm sayin.


You are right I would be mad...I would also be totally distraught AND I KNOW that you wouldn't be posting that kind of comment on any thread that might've been created about his passing - whatever the circumstance.

[jimbo600]

Yeah maybe. I'm not being mean about it. If it was your hubby dead coz hez not following the rulebook you would be mad. Really mad. They should think of their family, thats what I'm sayin.

It's not another martyred cop on a mission from god saving the children. It's someones family with no dad coz he knows better than the rulebook. He DOESN'T know better than the rulebook - He's DEAD because he was too smart for his own good. NOT smart - Dead - the permanent sort - the kind you don't get to argue about afterwards. Families need their dads, so cops sharpen up.

Steve

DB you're a wannabe twat who has no idea.

Cops on here, I wish you guys could have time to mourn, but no doubt you'll be out there getting on with the job as usual.

ordinary folk doing heros work indeed.

[SixPackBack]

Yeah I have bagged the coppers before and probably will again, but no one deserves death in the work place. I unashamedly admit to feeling my stomach sink when hearing the news today. Shit like this makes us all feel less safe.
RIP copper.

[SixPackBack]

Yeah maybe. I'm not being mean about it. If it was your hubby dead coz hez not following the rulebook you would be mad. Really mad. They should think of their family, thats what I'm sayin.

It's not another martyred cop on a mission from god saving the children. It's someones family with no dad coz he knows better than the rulebook. He DOESN'T know better than the rulebook - He's DEAD because he was too smart for his own good. NOT smart - Dead - the permanent sort - the kind you don't get to argue about afterwards. Families need their dads, so cops sharpen up.

Steve

How the fuck do your posts on this thread contribute anything usefull, a man died-submit your condolences, show a little respect and move on.

[Indoo]

Yeah maybe. I'm not being mean about it. If it was your hubby dead coz hez not following the rulebook you would be mad. Really mad. They should think of their family, thats what I'm sayin.

It's not another martyred cop on a mission from god saving the children. It's someones family with no dad coz he knows better than the rulebook. He DOESN'T know better than the rulebook - He's DEAD because he was too smart for his own good. NOT smart - Dead - the permanent sort - the kind you don't get to argue about afterwards. Families need their dads, so cops sharpen up.

Steve

Lets get this straight, you know absolutely nothing about the rules or procedures in place for these operations, so why on earth are you making out like you do?

Your just an ignorant little man talking ill of someone who did more in his life and contributed more to society than you ever will.

[Brett]

Stop wasting your time blaming the cops and their procedures. Sure they need to be reviewed, any underciver work with gangs and drugs should be backed up with reasonable fire power IMO, however please do remember the COPS WERE THE GOOD GUYS. It is the dumb fuck drug dealers and little south auckland hood rats who we need to make a stand against. It is time everyone stopped lying about whinging about them, and we actually do something about it. NZ is our land your home. Do what the history makers did and fight for it. Be that political or whatever. Sounds vigilante? It is. I am tired of their shit.
I have now been in Malta for 2 weeks staying with other people from all over europe. NZ is not the safe haven it once was, I base this statement onconversations comparing NZ standards to those of the other main cities in Germany, France etc.
If we want to regain and retain our once safe and prized peacefulness we need to do something about it now.
First off, I beleive ARM ALL POLICEMAN. I would be a helluva lot less sad over 2 dead criminal fuckin dealers than over a dead society protector.

[skidMark]

Yea just heard the news not good another reasion why the police should be armed


Nope police armed = more people armed = even more officers die.

[Patrick]

Thats rich coming from you who just writes the fucking ticket out. Thats what the detective said on the news. They guys are at WORK doing a JOB. When you DO your JOB you follow the fucken PROCEDURE or you DIE. Thats it. What the fuck was their support crew doing a WHOLE BLOCK away ? It goes without saying they should have been covered from across the street. Sharpen up or die.

I don't feel for them. I feel for their families they left behind though. Perhaps those on the job will start thinking about their own safety and their families instead of being so invincible. This bravado bullshit must end.

Steve


Yeah maybe. I'm not being mean about it. If it was your hubby dead coz hez not following the rulebook you would be mad. Really mad. They should think of their family, thats what I'm sayin.

It's not another martyred cop on a mission from god saving the children. It's someones family with no dad coz he knows better than the rulebook. He DOESN'T know better than the rulebook - He's DEAD because he was too smart for his own good. NOT smart - Dead - the permanent sort - the kind you don't get to argue about afterwards. Families need their dads, so cops sharpen up.

Steve

Here are some facts for you, Commissioner Useless Bastard....

"Tickets" have nothing to do with this... go play with yourself...

Procedures were followed. Plant the device in the quiet of night under the cover of darkness and go. Piece of piss, done hundreds of times before, without problem...

What is the point of doing a covert operation, with armed staff everywhere? Kinda makes it a little pointless. Since you won't understand, it was covert - heaps of cops around would give it away, don't you think?

The backup being a block away was probably too close... these arseholes have scouts looking out for cop cars in the hood and these scouts will phone their local dealer / supplier to give them a heads up - maybe what happened because the backup was only a block away and a little too close to the source, and they were able to react so quickly.......

"It goes without saying" they should have had a ninja covering from across the street? Set off the dog / sensor light and alert them to this too??? Good one...

What was "bravado" about planting a tracking device (in the small hours of the night?) It is something done many many times before.

Thinking of our own safety? Always...

Glenn MCKIBBIN, Murray STRETCH and Duncan TAYLOR just to name a few... were always thinking of their safety too, but hey, what could go wrong with stopping a speeding car, attending a burglary or trying to stop a stalker 16 year old????

So you don't feel for them - good on ya for showing your true human nature....

He wasn't a dad - he was single.

You really don't know shit from clay.......

[imdying]

What the fuck was their support crew doing a WHOLE BLOCK away? It goes without saying they should have been covered from across the street.Given the covert nature, I don't think that would be practical.

It's not fair to send what are essentially soldiers in a war out to what is the front line, without a weapon. I don't blame the police for that... they don't make policy, and I don't blame those officers for just putting up with the way it is and quietly going about their dangerous work unarmed.

I do however blame NZers for openly recognising that are police are in fact in a war with this type of criminal, but still not supporting arming 'our side'. I know it's a slippery slope, but given that they had a crew with guns round the corner, surely we're far enough down it already that those at the sharp end might as well be able to defend themselves?

If anything good could possibly come out of this, I hope that it includes the policy makers being a little more realistic about the need for the police to be able to fight on an even footing.

[alanzs]

Shame on the people who are bagging on this cop who DIED trying to protect everyone. The details don't matter, at all. He chose to be a police officer to protect and to serve all of us. That he died, is a loss to us all. I think it would be fair to say that NOBODY on here, except other law enforcement officers and the like, willing put their lives on the line every day, to help others.

When someone is breaking into your house, raping or killing you or your son, wife, husband, daughter, mother, father, call someone else. No respect!
Shame, shame, shame on you.:finger:

[Marknz]

Yeah maybe. I'm not being mean about it. If it was your hubby dead coz hez not following the rulebook you would be mad. Really mad. They should think of their family, thats what I'm sayin.

It's not another martyred cop on a mission from god saving the children. It's someones family with no dad coz he knows better than the rulebook. He DOESN'T know better than the rulebook - He's DEAD because he was too smart for his own good. NOT smart - Dead - the permanent sort - the kind you don't get to argue about afterwards. Families need their dads, so cops sharpen up.

Steve

Out of line you twat... go and give yourself a good uppercut from me.

[Brett]

Off topic... LMAO Crazy Steve. You crack me up man:laugh: Out of interest, how come you disagree?