Public perception.

[Ragingrob]

It's just experience.

To give you could expample of what we're up against, I was playing Tennis at the Hamilton Club in Tristram Street last night. A few little bastids were fanging up and down the Hamilton 400 pit area with a very obnoxious little pit bike. After an hour or so, I'd had enough and told them to piss off.

The talk in the bar later was :"...those fucking noisy motorcyclists.."
So essentially you and I get grouped with those spotty teenagers and their $250 Chinese mini bike...

Gotta be some pretty odd people in that bar to group together a guy riding down the road on a sunny day, with some teens thrashing a pit bike in a car park at night.

those - Indicating a specific few.

[Katman]

We've already covered that in previous posts. That aggressive person is going to act like that way in any situation in life. It's more about getting them off the road than getting bikers to "behave".



Do you agree that the behaviour of individual motorcyclists can impact on other motorcyclists and motorcycling as a whole?

[Ragingrob]

Do you agree that the behaviour of individual motorcyclists can impact on other motorcyclists and motorcycling as a whole?

I agree that it can when it comes to a few crazy egoistic road users. But not to the extent that you believe has an effect. That overall aggression toward motorcyclists resides in a small percentage of road users' mind, not the general public's.

[Katman]

That overall aggression toward motorcyclists resides in a small percentage of road users' mind, not the general public's.

That's small comfort for the innocent motorcyclist who is run off the road by one of those small percenters.

And remember, we're not just talking about what car drivers can do to us - we're also talking about what the people who make legislation can do to us.

[Lissa]

Do you agree that the behaviour of individual motorcyclists can impact on other motorcyclists and motorcycling as a whole?
Thats not what this thread is about. You asked the question, about public perception, this is why we cant have a conversation with you via threads. You change the topic to avoid answering the questions or our posts.

Do you agree that its absurd to think that people who see some dick on a bike then think that all motorcyclists are dicks? Because I do. Do you agree that some car driver who has a bad experience with a motorcyclist isnt going to take it out on the next person they see on a bike, they had a bad experience with a dick not the bike.

...Gonna have to change that to cocks soon just to spice my posts up...

FFS


That's small comfort for the innocent motorcyclist who is run off the road by one of those small percenters.Fuck what about the people killed by drunk drivers.... I say we ban all CARS, problem solved!!

Or lets ban all people who are dicks from owning a bike!

How about you give me some example of the people being run off the road by cagers who are intent on revenge on all motorcyclist's.

[Katman]

Thats not what this thread is about.



So fuckin' sue me.

[Lissa]

So fuckin' sue me.

What the hell is wrong with you? You are so fixed on what you think is right you cant even think about what others are saying when you ask for opinions. Whats the point in these threads, they are only about YOU and just YOU.

You obviously care about saving lives.. we all care, go out and do something constructive instead of being on KB baiting people and ignoring what they have to say. Wasted enough time.

[The Lone Rider]

Can we do a poll on public perception of "bikers" as opposed to motorcyclist?

To me.. there is a difference.

[dipshit]

Do you agree that its absurd to think that people who see some dick on a bike then think that all motorcyclists are dicks? Because I do. Do you agree that some car driver who has a bad experience with a motorcyclist isnt going to take it out on the next person they see on a bike, they had a bad experience with a dick not the bike.

If you are a smaller minority group then the actions of a few can create a public perception. This makes a perfect example....

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=953967

Can anyone else see the irony of this?

[Katman]

Well that thread makes for some very interesting reading.

:wait:

[mstriumph]

Hot headed? nahhhhh - i mean, we ALL think that - right? :laugh:

[dipshit]

Well that thread makes for some very interesting reading.


hmmm... yes... a bunch of bad-ass rebel motorcyclists quoting road rules and saying that if other road users can't follow them - then they have no sympathy for any accidents they may have. <_<

[Katman]

There are so many posts in that thread that I'd love to quote in here but I just don't know where to start.

:rofl:

[dipshit]

Oh no! Such things don't apply to them! Their shit doesn't stink.

[Number One]

There are so many posts in that thread that I'd love to quote in here but I just don't know where to start.

:rofl:


Oh no! Such things don't apply to them! Their shit doesn't stink.

You two should get a room - you sound like you might be meant for each other :shifty:

[James Deuce]

Thats not what this thread is about. You asked the question, about public perception, this is why we cant have a conversation with you via threads. You change the topic to avoid answering the questions or our posts.

Do you agree that its absurd to think that people who see some dick on a bike then think that all motorcyclists are dicks? Because I do. Do you agree that some car driver who has a bad experience with a motorcyclist isnt going to take it out on the next person they see on a bike, they had a bad experience with a dick not the bike.

...Gonna have to change that to cocks soon just to spice my posts up...

FFS

Fuck what about the people killed by drunk drivers.... I say we ban all CARS, problem solved!!

Or lets ban all people who are dicks from owning a bike!

How about you give me some example of the people being run off the road by cagers who are intent on revenge on all motorcyclist's.

I was once stopped in Greytown and beaten up by a car load of Black Power members because some guys on bikes had cut another one of their members up and the unsecured three year old daughter had hit the the dashboard from the back seat during the evasive moves to avoid the bikers behaving like cocks.

I was on my Rg250, so it would have been about 1989. They broke a rib and messed my face up before asking if I knew who the guys on the other bikes were.

Don't tell me it doesn't happen. You never know when you are going to meet a psycho in a car.

[Usarka]

You never know when you are going to meet a psycho in a car.

Rubbish. Judging by recent experiences I'm pretty sure I'll meet a psycho in a car on every ride. :yes: (having said that chances are high I'll also meet a psycho on a bike).


I've had normally sane rational people tell me they close gaps on bikes filtering at lights etc because they get angry that the bikes get to the front of the queue.

[James Deuce]

Rubbish. Judging by recent experiences I'm pretty sure I'll meet a psycho in a car on every ride. :yes: (having said that chances are high I'll also meet a psycho on a bike).


I've had normally sane rational people tell me they close gaps on bikes filtering at lights etc because they get angry that the bikes get to the front of the queue.


Well, OK, point taken. :)

[Katman]

How about you give me some example of the people being run off the road by cagers who are intent on revenge on all motorcyclist's.

Not quite the impact of Jims post but I had a car driver try and run me off the road on the way to the Paeroa street races earlier this year.

I guess he'd just gotten sick and tried of motorcyclists acting like cocks around him.

[Trudes]

Thats not what this thread is about. You asked the question, about public perception, this is why we cant have a conversation with you via threads. You change the topic to avoid answering the questions or our posts.

Do you agree that its absurd to think that people who see some dick on a bike then think that all motorcyclists are dicks? Because I do. Do you agree that some car driver who has a bad experience with a motorcyclist isnt going to take it out on the next person they see on a bike, they had a bad experience with a dick not the bike.

...Gonna have to change that to cocks soon just to spice my posts up...

FFS

Fuck what about the people killed by drunk drivers.... I say we ban all CARS, problem solved!!

Or lets ban all people who are dicks from owning a bike!

How about you give me some example of the people being run off the road by cagers who are intent on revenge on all motorcyclist's.

:rofl: I love this post of yours Lissa, well actually, I love the reason entered at the bottom for your editing your post! :lol: :lol: COCK!! :lol:

[buellbabe]

Gotta say I am surprised by the amount of negativity directed by 'us' motorcyclists towards other road users...

Not doing ourselves any favours springs to mind altho my original vote was "looks like fun but I might get wet" which was motivated by comments actually made to me.

My experience over many years of riding has been a keen interest and admiration, even envy displayed by fellow road users. Sure there are some a-holes out there who have a chip on their shoulder and wanna do GBH just cos a bike can get thru the traffic where they can't etc... but in general I reckon if you treat other road users with courtesy thats what you will get in return.

So I guess what I am saying is that its a very individual perception depending on what your OWN attitude is when you are on two wheels.

[Katman]

There are so many posts in that thread that I'd love to quote in here but I just don't know where to start.



This will do as a start.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=954435&postcount=60

And just to keep the stink of hypocrisy fresh in everyone's nostrils, this ones a goody.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=954559&postcount=69

But seriously, read through the entire thread. There's some fucking gems in there.

[Katman]

And I weeed a little when I read this one.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=956735&postcount=119

[Pedrostt500]

I think this poll is a load of old bollocks, most of the public are to worried about the goings on in their own lives, paying the rent ? mortgage, worring about their kids, what to have for tea tonight, etc.
This poll is abit like asking station wagon drivers what they think the drivers of minis think of station wagon drivers, my point is this poll is pointless.
If you want to gauge the feelings of the general public then poll the general public ,not other bikers.
Is this poll more about justifying wanting to be a hard assed out law biker, or a rebble with out a clue?.

[Katman]

I think this poll is a load of old bollocks, most of the public are to worried about the goings on in their own lives, paying the rent ? mortgage, worring about their kids, what to have for tea tonight, etc.
This poll is abit like asking station wagon drivers what they think the drivers of minis think of station wagon drivers, my point is this poll is pointless.
If you want to gauge the feelings of the general public then poll the general public ,not other bikers.
Is this poll more about justifying wanting to be a hard assed out law biker, or a rebble with out a clue?.

Whooooosh.

(That was the sound of the point flying straight over your head).

The point is to get motorcyclists to take a look at themselves and consider how their actions might dictate public perception.

[Mom]

And I weeed a little when I read this one.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=956735&postcount=119

I am struggling a little with this cross quoting thing happening. What the hell does a cyclist nearly taking a door off a car while undertaking have to do with

:Public perception.

How do you think the general public perceive motorcyclists?"

I can see the parrallel you are attempting to draw but please, how many bikers have you heard of being taken out by a car door while undertaking a stationary car, between it and the curb?

How many bikers would actually be friggen stupid enough to do that anyway?

If that made you we a little mate, I seriously suggest Depends.

[Katman]

I am struggling a little with this cross quoting thing happening.

Yes, I'm taking a bit of artistic license (being the thread starter and all).

I'm just enjoying bringing attention to the hypocrisy that is so often displayed on here.



How many bikers would actually be friggen stupid enough to do that anyway?


Now that is a scary question.

[MadDuck]

Fuck me, I prostrate myself before you.


(I'm a fucking mechanic, for fucks sake).

Miraculously changed to:


Learning to swear is part of a mechanics apprenticeship.

Wow ...that is what I call a post in metamorphosis......how does one do that :whistle:

[Mom]

Yes, I'm taking a bit of artistic license (being the thread starter and all).

I'm just enjoying bringing attention to the hypocrisy that is so often displayed on here.

Still struggling, find me a post of Wolf's that shows he is hypocrite for posting what he did that you have cross quoted into here and labelled him a hypocrite.

[Katman]

Miraculously changed to:



Wow ...that is what I call a post in metamorphosis......how does one do that :whistle:

It's called 'Edit when Sober'.

:msn-wink:

But I'm extra pleased to see you're keeping a close eye on things.

[Katman]

Still struggling

Struggle away.

[Usarka]

Not quite the impact of Jims post but I had a car driver try and run me off the road on the way to the Paeroa street races earlier this year.

I guess he'd just gotten sick and tried of motorcyclists acting like cocks around him.

No, that was me.........






(p/t)

[MadDuck]

It's called 'Edit when Sober'

So you have that on "hot key" on your keyboard for KB then :clap:

[Katman]

So you have that on "hot key" on your keyboard for KB then :clap:

Yes, but I can only ever find it the next day.

But hey, half a bottle of bourbon and I didn't tell anyone to suck my cock - I must be getting better.

:msn-wink:

[Ixion]

Even accepting the general concept you are trying to make, do you not think that the (small) proportion of the public that has any specific perception at all of motorcyclists, will have markedly different perceptions of the different types of motorcyclists?

Mabel, if she notices motorcycles at all, probably has a rather poor perception of the patched Harley rider. But her perception of the little Asian chick on the scooter is probably quite different (Cecil has his own perception of the Asian chick, too. If Mabel finds out about it he's in deep shit).

And another perception again (and again, different for the two of them) of the young lad on the GN250, the leather clad guy on the big sprotsbike, and the old buffer chugging along on his BSA B31.

All motorcyclists, but I venture to say that a member of the public percipient enough to think of them at all (other than as mobile street furniture) will perceive them quite differently.

The follies of the Harley rider do not necessarily redound upon the head of the scooter riding chick.

[MadDuck]

But hey, half a bottle of bourbon and I didn't tell anyone to suck my cock

Are you sure about that?

[Katman]

Mabel and Cedric

I'm not so much concerned about Mabel and Cedric as I am about Titch, the amped up WRX driver.

But then again, if Mabel and Cedric have the ear of an influential person in government I might start to sweat.

[Mom]

I'm just enjoying bringing attention to the hypocrisy that is so often displayed on here.

Struggle is my middle name sweets, and you dont get off the hook that easy either. You use a post of Wolfs to draw attention to the hypocrisy that you perceive, show me where Wolf has been a hypocrite. You cant just take a random post and say...well there that is proof, if the poster is not in fact being a hypocite.

So again, show me how this post shows hypocrisy by Wolf.


Now that is a scary question.

Dont be afraid, answer it.

[MadDuck]

The follies of the Harley rider do not necessarily redound upon the head of the scooter riding chick.


I'm not so much concerned about Mabel and Cedric as I am about Titch, the amped up WRX driver.

I guess there in lies the flaw of Mr Katmans well rounded discussion. Now I am sure I will be corrected but my understanding is that his idea is that "motorcyclists" in general are the problem regardless of brand or size.

I doubt Titch would give a second look at a scrooter.

[Katman]

Dont be afraid, answer it.

Ok, probably more than you or I would care to imagine.

[Mom]

my understanding is that his idea is that "motorcyclists" in general are the problem regardless of brand or size.


As is mine.

Dont be too harsh on Katman, when I met him he actually apologised to me for telling me to suck his cock ;)

[Katman]

I guess there in lies the flaw of Mr Katmans well rounded discussion. Now I am sure I will be corrected but my understanding is that his idea is that "motorcyclists" in general are the problem regardless of brand or size.

I doubt Titch would give a second look at a scrooter.

Are you serious? Titch will run any fucker off the road who touches his wing mirror.

[Katman]

Dont be too harsh on Katman, when I met him he actually apologised to me for telling me to suck his cock ;)

You, Number One and Boob should start a club.

[beyond]

Objectively here:
Most cagers do NOT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT MOTORCYCLISTS!!!
If they did, they would wait at giveway signs, stop signs, driveways, T intersections, keep to their side of the road and generally act like we actually exist.

Motorcylists are to motorists what an ant eater is to an ant. Chew you up and spit you out without a thought or shit you out 24 hours later..

Only cagers who ride motorcycles actually realise we exist when out riding and the rest don't give a dam. They know full well that if they choose, a simple flick of the steering wheel will end your life and they have nothing to worry about if contact should occur.

Some do not care at all and if they could run you off the road and get away with it they would and some do.

There are many motorists too, who respect us and move over when they see us coming up behind. Their kids hang over the back seat to get a better look and wave like hell and when we wave back the parents wave when we pass.
Many come up and talk when we are parked and look our bikes over and remark about them.

Perception? Hell I bet a lot of them are jealous they have a car full of sprogs, a missus that will smack them around the head if they go over a 100kmh and wish they were as free as us.

Enjoy your motorcycling, don't think so much, don't be so paranoid about our freedom being taken away because the day it is, democracy has ended and motorcycling will be the least of your worries. Make the most of your liberty while you can mate :)

[Mom]

You, Number One and Boob should start a club.

Not sure Boob and I will get along mate, I got my first decent infraction for calling him a cock.

[MadDuck]

Dont be too harsh on Katman, when I met him he actually apologised to me for telling me to suck his cock ;)

I am very pleased to hear that. It really is an unpleasant thing to be asked to suck the cock of a stranger off the interweb.

Very distasteful indeed

[Mom]

I am very pleased to hear that. It really is an unpleasant thing to be asked to suck the cock of a stranger off the interweb.

Very distasteful indeed

I once got sent a pic of an erect cock, with an earnest request for me to suck it? Friggen weirdo's abound really...LOL Got to love the internet really though :yes:

Disclaimer: Katman did not send me the pic!

Enough of the cock talk anyway, I am more keen on the hypocrisy angle here. Wonder how Wolf would feel knowing he is being called hypocrite?

[Katman]

Enough of the cock talk anyway, I am more keen on the hypocrisy angle here. Wonder how Wolf would feel knowing he is being called hypocrite?

Maybe we should ask him what he'd think about a car driver opening their door on a filtering motorcyclist.



Disclaimer: Katman did not send me the pic!



I'm pleased you added that. I was starting to wonder just how drunk I'd been on here.

[James Deuce]

Blah blah!
I already done said that Cletus!

[Ragingrob]

Are you serious? Titch will run any fucker off the road who touches his wing mirror.

And there's the reason he runs the scooter off the road. Not because years ago a Harley knocked his wing mirror off, but because the scooteress hit it herself.

[wbks]

thats the funnyest and most pathetic thing I've heard of in a while, mom!

[Number One]

I had a car driver try and run me off the road on the way to the Paeroa street races earlier this year.

I guess he'd just gotten sick and tried of motorcyclists acting like cocks around him.

Assumption!!! So because YOU 'guess' it MUST be true. AND anyway...was it really because of 'other motorcyclists' or was it because your riding was cockesk. AND if you are in fact that model biker you would lead everyone on here to believe maybe it was that he knew who you were and you had in fact just previously offered him your cock for the sucking?


Yes, I'm taking a bit of autistic license.

Yes - you do do that a lot don't you.


Wow ...that is what I call a post in metamorphosis......how does one do that :whistle:

What do you expect? Most of the time he doesn't have any cogent argument to put forward so he has to do these 'changelling posts' that way all the noobs that don't know what he is like (and take a while to catch on to his threads) will still be under the false impression that he isn't just a troll whose idea of adult debate is to grunt and swear at relevant questions or arguments. My take on the grunting and 'cock suck offerings' is that they do nothing to help his 'supposed argument or himself' seem in any way credible...I just see the trolls of a bored, lonely and drunk old man.


half a bottle of bourbon and I didn't tell anyone to suck my cock

Oh praise be to your gradual improvements..keep up the good work :msn-wink:


You, Number One and Boob should start a club.

Awww really - there are only three of us that you have offered your cock to? So we 3 are a select group then? WOW...you mean to say that you don't just go offering your cock to everyone on here willy nilly? NOW I really do feel like I've achieved something :rolleyes:...I propose we call this club the 'Katman offered us his cock but we wouldn't touch it with yours' club.

As I have said previously I have never completely disagreed with the sentiment of your message...just your delivery. NOW though I find the 'points' are becoming so pathetic and grasping that I find I can't even agree with your sentiments anymore - just too clouded out with your bullshit now. Other people in this thread, who clearly also agree with you are having far more impact through their postings than you ever will.

Maybe it's time for Katman V2, see if he can't revive the 'holy cause' of saving all the good bikers out there from the publics apparent perception and hense compulsion to run them down/beat them up etc etc because of the antics of all those horrible naughty bikers out there.

AND NO I don't have anything to add to the argument, because frankly there is no point as you'll no doubt start another thread exactly the same in a week or so where you will continue to cover the same old ground in the same sad and pathetic way. If it wasn't so amusing to watch you dig yourself into that hole further and further and to see you get your knickers in a twist (in that way that only you can do) I'd put you on ignore. But hell it's all a great laugh...cheers for the giggles :msn-wink: :msn-wink: :msn-wink:

Maybe you could take this all INTERNATIONAL!!!!

[Boob Johnson]

Not sure Boob and I will get along mate, I got my first decent infraction for calling him a cock.
lol Mom, we have had a few laughs since then :sunny:

And ive given you a few well deserved green reps

[carver]

Until he meets the Moron Few up the road...

i drive trucks too...

[Nagash]

i drive trucks too...

Oh Shit!

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[Insanity_rules]

My user name came from what my friends thought of my idea to go back to motorcycles. I think I don't care what other people think....

Insanity freakin rules!

[Ixion]

'tain't all bad publicity. here's (http://www.stuff.co.nz/4850521a11.html) a news item presenting us in a good light.

[dipshit]

'tain't all bad publicity. here's (http://www.stuff.co.nz/4850521a11.html) a news item presenting us in a good light.

Great, now they will think we are just a bunch of weirdos. :doh:

[McJim]

'tain't all bad publicity. here's (http://www.stuff.co.nz/4850521a11.html) a news item presenting us in a good light.

It's not that good news Les - it suggests that the only good bikers are those with imaginary friends, bible thumpers, god botherers etc.

There are a good many professional people riding bikes and rising them sensibly and a lot of the public appreciate that.

I for one have never had any negative responses from nn bikers other than "Ooooh I'm jealous - how long does it take to get a full licence?"

A minority of people have a problem but most people want to be us. I know I did for about thirty years before I finally pulled the finger out and sorted it.