Is this kosher or not?

[cowboyz]

A group go to an auction and there is two lots of the same gear there that several of you are interested in.

So the bidding starts and Miss A bids on them even though Miss A already has the gear. Miss B says that Miss A can have the first lot and Miss B will take the upcoming lot.

So Miss A wins the first lot of the auction with no bids against her.

Mr C and Mr D come along and express interest in the said gear. Discussed and agreed gear would be sold on.

Lot 2 comes up and Miss B thinks she is going to bid on it but Miss A bids on it. Thinking the lot will be spread amoungst those who want it at a shared cost Miss B, Mr C and Mr D dont bid and for a second time Miss A wins the auction with no bids againsts her.

So Miss A ends up with 2 lots of product which she pays about 20% retail for.

Miss B, Mr C and Mr D are expecting a good deal on product but Miss A offers the product at 90% retail.

Is this bad karma or is it just another auction?

[Boob Johnson]

my head hurts :confused:

[cowboyz]

i should have typed slower cause I know you no read good

[Maha]

Good on Miss A, and if Mr C and Mr D and Miss B want any piece of the action (I think its only Miss B at this point eh? :confused:) then surely Miss B didnt want the items bad enoungh. If the items were bought at 20% retail, Miss B could be deemed a tight arse for letting it go!

Its Kosher, as Del Boy use to say ''He (or in this case she) who dears wins''
If I were Miss B (which is clearly not possible) I would be a little pissed sure but thats the way Auctions go.

[rat biker 08]

U bid u win u can sell the gear . But miss A should keep her deal with miss B :shifty: It is the right thing to do:niceone:

[cowboyz]

Good on Miss A, and if Mr C and Mr D and Miss B want any piece of the action (I think its only Miss B at this point eh? :confused:) then surely Miss B didnt want the items bad enoungh. If the items were bought at 20% retail, Miss B could be deemed a tight arse for letting it go!

Its Kosher, as Del Boy use to say ''He (or in this case she) who dears wins''
If I were Miss B (which is clearly not possible) I would be a little pissed sure but thats the way Auctions go.

everyone out for themselves huh?

[Maha]

U bid u win u can sell the gear . But miss A should keep her deal with miss B :shifty: It is the right thing to do:niceone:

Miss B made the deal, not Miss A.

Miss B says that Miss A can have the first lot and Miss B will take the upcoming lot.

Question to be answered is..Did Miss A agree to what Miss B said??

[Madness]

If Miss A is friends with Miss B and Miss B is freinds with Mr C and Mr D, then it's bad karma. If Miss A is friends with Miss B, but neither know Mr C or Mr D from a bar of soap, then I say good shit, Miss A.

[raftn]

Perhaps Mrs A is shagging mr d or is that Mrs B and Mr C going for it, and watt the hell happened to Ms E, i heard she is a bitch any way! ............i am so confused i am going to have a lie down!

[Trumpess]

But miss A should keep her deal with miss B :shifty: It is the right thing to do:niceone:


Yup a deal is a deal.
But greed steps in here thinking she can make more $'s easily.
Her choice.
But I wouldnt buy it and I would tell her so.
Hope she gets stuck with it cause she aint going to sell it for 90% retail.
Its already second hand.

[Maha]

If Miss A is friends with Miss B and Miss B is freinds with Mr C and Mr D, then it's bad karma. If Miss A is friends with Miss B, but neither know Mr C or Mr D from a bar of soap, then I say good shit, Miss A.

Yes indeed Madness
If theres any friendships involved here, things could get/be a bit touchy.

[Ixion]

..
If I were Miss B (which is clearly not possible) I would be a little pissed sure but thats the way Auctions go.

Why not ?

And I got confused about who is shagging who. Could you please clarify that, which is after all the interesting bit, and stop dribbling on about auctions.

Oh, and pics of Misses A and B are essential.

[Swoop]

Put me down for a "that sucks".
Especially if they all know each other.

[Maha]

Put me down for a "that sucks".
Especially if they all know each other.

Chances are that A,B,C and D are known to each other :girlfight:

[Fatjim]

There is no honour among thieves, and they all sound like thieves.

[Monamie]

Thats an easy one. Miss A should have honoured the agreement with Miss B.:yes:

I am just pleased Mr E and Miss F were away that day.:sweatdrop

[rat biker 08]

Like i sead before it sucks if miss A and missB know each other .:weep: If not then she will get wots coming to her.:bash:

[Boob Johnson]

Assume nothing, expect the worst & all is well :shifty:

[Storm]

If all these people know each other in more than passing:

theres going to be some REAL bad feeling and probably some bad words.

If not, thats business, and thus by defintions, every dog for itself

[Gubb]

Colnel Mustard, in the Kitchen, with the Candlestick.

[rottiguy]

is anyone gonna post a pic of an A ? no Mr A though only keen on a missis's A

If A and B made an agreement then it should be honored, but at an auction if you want, you bid, if you don't, you don't. hard to know exactly what was said between 2 letters of the alphabet unless someone else heard the conversation, and can verify. people will always tell others a story positively slanted toward themselves, that is human nature. If it's too expensive don't buy, not rocket science aye.
Basically I couldn't give a rats A if a son of a B decided to take up CD, what someone decides to do in their own bedroom should be their own business

[duckonin]

Trust I repeat..Trust no one when it comes to a deal, some how most turn sow. Then id comes to you said I said, at the end of the day an auction is just that mrs A won at the fall of the hammer, and what ever she said to Mrs B just blows with the wind..:yes:

[kevfromcoro]

A..B..C..D...
Fuck ......you lost me...

[Madness]

Trust I repeat..Trust no one when it comes to a deal, some how most turn sow. Then id comes to you said I said, at the end of the day an auction is just that mrs A won at the fall of the hammer, and what ever she said to Mrs B just blows with the wind..:yes:

Jesus, I thought this thread was confusing before!

[ynot slow]

Buyer beware,she is lumbered with the gear because she has shat on her mates?

If they (others)wanted it and was at a price they could afford bid themselves,obviously not anticipating their friend would crap on them.

[Forest]

What you're describing is called a bid syndicate. These aren't uncommon in auctions with bulk lots.

Unfortunately it sounds like the members of this syndicate didn't bother to talk to each other before the auction.

B, C, and D should chalk it up to experience. But I think they'd be justified in taking A off their Christmas card lists.

[325rocket]

Thats an easy one. Miss A should have honoured the agreement with Miss B.:yes:


too fuckin rite!!!

[sinfull]

20% Damb ! If A was making a deal with B, then C and D became involved with A or was that B C came to see with D ? Could be, that D and C weren't to fussed if B dealt with A. But hey, whose to say, what they'd have to pay, for what A bid on that day ! Has B made it known, that her C and D, wanted made public their plight, on this here site !
Enough of this shite !

[McJim]

So persons A,B,C & D conspired to defraud the holders of the auction? Damn their eyes! Burn the bastards.

It's people like that that stop me from holding auctions! :rofl:

Seriously - it sounds like 4 people were trying to be tight fisted smartarses and got burnt by the greed from within!

[Mom]

B, C, and D should chalk it up to experience. But I think they'd be justified in taking A off their Christmas card lists.

I have been taken off a few Christmas card lists for less than that in my time...

Sorry situation indeed. Lucky this is just the internet though, without pics it never happened and all that...:confused:

[cowboyz]

So persons A,B,C & D conspired to defraud the holders of the auction? Damn their eyes! Burn the bastards.

It's people like that that stop me from holding auctions! :rofl:

Seriously - it sounds like 4 people were trying to be tight fisted smartarses and got burnt by the greed from within!

so the impromtu bid syndicate (for lack of a better phrase) is fraud?

I dont see any problem with a group of people buying a lot and making good deal for all. Of course, there is nothing stopping another group bidding against group A. Thats the way bidding goes, but if a group who all want similar items all bid and 1 person ends up with 10 items paying alot more than they otherwise would and then making it uneconomic for others to buy second hand items - it just doesnt make sense.

If the auction allowed bidders to take pick on how much of the lot they wanted and bidding is per piece then everyone can bid away and take away what they want.

[Forest]

so the impromtu bid syndicate (for lack of a better phrase) is fraud?

No. A bid syndicate is legal, but you run the risk of pissing off the auctioneer if you run the syndicate blatantly.

[awayatc]

Feel sorry for Mr "X", who only got 20 % retail......
because of greedy alfabet twurps.....

[ynot slow]

Depends on what the auctioneer decides to do,i.e parcel of goods or individual.I would think if it is a winding up auction(company closing)then it would be best for items sold indevidually.The recievers have the say how they feel money is best raised in the end.In the case of multiple items for grabs,you need to work with several people or have an outlet organised prior to bidding,as you don't want to bid on say 4 pair of pants and have only 1 fit you,(costing slightly less than normal)and worry about flicking the others if possible to recoup costs.Then again you take the risk bid on items you want 1 of,flick the rest on trade me and hope.

[sels1]

So persons A,B,C & D conspired to defraud the holders of the auction? Damn their eyes! Burn the bastards.

It's people like that that stop me from holding auctions! :rofl:

Seriously - it sounds like 4 people were trying to be tight fisted smartarses and got burnt by the greed from within!

I tend to agree...there is a specific process in an auction and if you stuff around with it things like this can happen. A lesson for all involved perhaps

[McJim]

No. A bid syndicate is legal, but you run the risk of pissing off the auctioneer if you run the syndicate blatantly.

Legal or not it's whether it's ethical to do this. I have observed an awful lot of practices since moving to New Zealand that smack of real tight fistedness that would (and do!) make a Scotsman blush.

This is yet another example of trying to get more from your buck than it's actually worth.

Always remember that if you get a real bargain it's generally going to be at someone elses expense - therefore karma will short change you at some point in the future.

[cowboyz]

Ever try to negociate a discount at a shop? Wonder if you thought about who is losing out because you are not paying full price.

I always barter - even when buying fish and chips I will try to get more for less. Sometimes (not often) it works and you get a bit ofa bonus.
getting away from the original question and would hate for anyone to smack me for being off topic.

[yod]

good boy

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to cowboyz again.

[Forest]

Legal or not it's whether it's ethical to do this. I have observed an awful lot of practices since moving to New Zealand that smack of real tight fistedness that would (and do!) make a Scotsman blush.


I travelled extensively in Scotland and never found the tight-fistedness I'd been warned to expect (except in Glasgow - but that's only because a tight fist makes a better punch).

New Zealanders on the other hand are some of the stingiest people on earth.

[scumdog]

everyone out for themselves huh?

Yup.

And if the tight-wads who never bid complain they only have themselves to blame.

[cowboyz]

So the general consenus is that it is more acceptable to go back on your word with a friend than lower the bids at an auction?

[awayatc]

Would be more selective picking my friends....

[Monie]

I travelled extensively in Scotland and never found the tight-fistedness I'd been warned to expect (except in Glasgow - but that's only because a tight fist makes a better punch).

New Zealanders on the other hand are some of the stingiest people on earth.
if your every in our neck of the woods we will show you we are not all stingie people.. more than welcome at our place...

[Forest]

if your every in our neck of the woods we will show you we are not all stingie people.. more than welcome at our place...

Ah. I should have explained.

Kiwis are often the most generous people on earth. There's just a hard-core minority that doesn't like spending any money.

[Monie]

Ah. I should have explained.

Kiwis are often the most generous people on earth. There's just a hard-core minority that doesn't like spending any money.
thank you ... :}

[swedencamilla]

How much is friendship worth? Doesn't sound like it is worth a lot for Miss A. They obviously should have communicated clearly prior to the auction and then kept their deals. A deal is a deal only when all relevant parties have agreed to it. Unclear if this happened in this case. If they could not reach a clear deal, then obviously each person should bid for themselves and not winge about it afterwards.

[Brutus]

Perhaps they can all ask the Govt to bail them out.
Capitalism has a price. the greatest capitalist country is now one of the great socialist empires. you gotta love seppos.
Oh shit politics...
you want it? get it! were they all there to make $$?!