Kiwi Biker's son abducted

[Finn]

You may have seen the item on 3 news on Thursday night. This is a very good friend of mine (also a biker) who is going through hell trying to get his NZ born son back to NZ.

In short, all of NZ's agencies involved have so far let him down in fact, they've worked against him. Mike McRoberts from TV3 has been a great help and is also putting a piece together on 60 Minutes due to air shortly.

Please take a look at this website which has just been put up. More functionality to follow...

www.bringdylanhome.co.nz

Also, one of many news articles...

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10538223

Any support you can offer is appreciated (even if just written)

[Mully]

Saw this the other night. Felt sorry for the guy.

Also saw *shudder* Helen saying that (s)he was going to raise it with the Turkish PM directly.

Must be serious when a Feminazi stands up for a father.

[skidMark]

Saw this the other night. Felt sorry for the guy.

Also saw *shudder* Helen saying that (s)he was going to raise it with the Turkish PM directly.

Must be serious when a Feminazi stands up for a father.


yeah its called in the middle of an election campaign.

[sunhuntin]

shit, thats not good. the poor guy and the poor bloody kid! heres hoping they track the little mite down and bring him home, though it might tricky if the mothers been awarded custody.

[Ixion]

Bad Mans !

Not sure what a bunch of bikers can do.

But if there's a Turkish embassy or such like in Auckland I'd be a starter for a ride in demo. Make a bit of fuss, bureaucrats hate being in the limelight.

[Finn]

Heres hoping they track the little mite down and bring him home, though it might tricky if the mothers been awarded custody.

The Central Authority in NZ have accepted the Turk’s second rejection, without question or request for a review, despite the fact that the custody order used as the reason for denial is not allowed under the Hague Convention on Child Abduction’s Article 18.

[outlawtorn]

My heart goes out to him and his son, shit like this should never happen man...:no:

[Mully]

But if there's a Turkish embassy or such like in Auckland I'd be a starter for a ride in demo. Make a bit of fuss, bureaucrats hate being in the limelight.

Count me in.


The Central Authority in NZ have accepted the Turk’s second rejection, without question or request for a review, despite the fact that the custody order used as the reason for denial is not allowed under the Hague Convention on Child Abduction’s Article 18.

Are Turkey a signatory to the Hague Convention? This would indicate not.

I saw that Winston didn't want to use up goodwill asking about it when he went there. Fucker. Where does he think his baubles come from?

[Finn]

Yes, Turkey are a signatory to the Hague Convention and they also recognise NZ's membership. However, Turkey doesn't "fully comply" with the Convention.

[Fatjim]

I think we start burning Turkish peoples houses until they cough him up.

[James Deuce]

Yeah, let's do it! I hate kebabs anyway.

[Finn]

I think we start burning Turkish peoples houses until they cough him up.

Actually, the Turkish government have done more for my mate than the NZ Government... so far. Hopefully this will change now that our PM is going to contact the Turkish PM.

[Hitcher]

I hate kebabs anyway.

Particularly those ones with turkey in.

The only effective solution here is to hire some professionals to go and "abduct" this child back to New Zealand. Seriously.

[Fatjim]

Actually, the Turkish government have done more for my mate than the NZ Government... so far. Hopefully this will change now that our PM (sorry, even now I can't say her name) is going to contact the Turkish PM.

Well lets start burning labour voters houses until the Turkish government coughs up.

[MSTRS]

Cover their country with McCafes...Then slip in and grab the kid while they are all suffering caffeine withdrawal.

[Fatjim]

Look John, If you're not going to say something constructive .......

[Finn]

Cover their country with McCafes...Then slip in and grab the kid while they are all suffering caffeine withdrawal.

Ever tried Turkish coffee?

[Mully]

Well lets start burning labour voters houses until the Turkish government coughs up.

Lets start burning labour voters until the Turkish government coughs up.

And then burn some more.

[Finn]

Lets try and keep this serious. If Helen Clark manages to get this boy home where he belongs then I promise I'll wear an "I love Helen" Tshirt on a KB ride.

If she pulls this off at least I could say she has done one good thing in 9 years.

[MSTRS]

Ever tried Turkish coffee?

Pure caffeine, mixed with river silt.
Tastes like shit.
Kicks like a mule.
McCafe coffee shares the taste, but not the rest...

[Finn]

But if there's a Turkish embassy or such like in Auckland I'd be a starter for a ride in demo. Make a bit of fuss, bureaucrats hate being in the limelight.

Actually I just spoke with Bruce and he thinks a group ride in support of bringing dylan home would be fantastic. We'd get a TV crew organised as well as a BBQ afterwards.

What do you think guys?

[James Deuce]

Sounds like a plan.

[Ixion]

Time and place .

[RantyDave]

The only effective solution here is to hire some professionals to go and "abduct" this child back to New Zealand. Seriously.
While this seems like the simplest, most expedient and quite probably cheapest solution it does fall down with practicality. Like, just where the fuck is he? How do you get the little mite out of the country once Turkish border guards are alerted to a missing child? What do you do once he gets back here and the Turkish government starts asking ours to kick the door down and get the kid back - bearing in mind that as far as they're concerned we're all settled and the kid is now legally 'with' his mother. Or something.

Re-reading it I'm not sure I fully get whose side the mother is on, either. "But after he left, the family threatened to cut Nil off completely if she left." - so, tell her family to get fucked and wing off back to enzed to live happily ever after.

I would hire a PR firm; ensure Winston gets roasted for being such a useless cocksucker; and make it clear that a similar fate awaits whoever is next in power if they don't sort it out.

Dave

[Ixion]

Barstool embassy is in Wellington

Embassy of the Republic of Turkey, Wellington

Street Address: Level 8, 15-17 Murphy Street, Thorndon, Wellington 6011

Consulate general in Auckland

Consulate-General of the Republic of Turkey - Auckland

Street Address: No. 9 Marama Street, Torbay, Auckland 0630

[Finn]

Time and place .

Might be difficult for Steven Hawkins to come along unless we change his gearing. Sorry, you said place. Good point.

We could start at Swashbucklers in Westhaven and end there as well. Lots of space for bikes and there's a great outdoor area for BBQ and drinks.

As for when, the sooner the better! What's everybody doing this Sat?

[Tank]

Actually I just spoke with Bruce and he thinks a group ride in support of bringing dylan home would be fantastic. We'd get a TV crew organised as well as a BBQ afterwards.

What do you think guys?

Any protest outside the embasy is a good idea - Count me in.

[RantyDave]

Here, vote this up

http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/7843n/new_zealanders_son_abducted_in_turkey_nz/

Dave

[SPman]

Yes, Turkey are a signatory to the Hague Convention and they also recognise NZ's membership. However, Turkey doesn't "fully comply" with the Convention.
Nor does NZ - except when it's convenient!

[Finn]

Here, vote this up

http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/7843n/new_zealanders_son_abducted_in_turkey_nz/

Dave

Thanks. How does that site work?

[Finn]

Nor does NZ - except when it's convenient!

Yes. A Turkish lawyer said that if he was an Australian or American boy, he would be back by now.

[devnull]

Time and place .

+1

I'll be a starter for that - though I think I'll pass on wearing a Helen shirt

Sadly, it sounds like he'd be better off paying someone to remove the mother - permanently

[RantyDave]

Thanks. How does that site work?
Ahhh, the up and down arrows vote for "cool" or "shit". I think you need to be a member to vote, but it almost certainly just creates you an account if you need on.

If you go to the homepage http://reddit.com/ then you get the stories that are currently voted highest with some kinda retiring over time algorithm that I don't really understand. Recently it's been infested with pro-Obama messages so, in all likelihood, the story in question has to compete with a paid lobbying firm to make it to the front page. But hey, it's worth a shot.

Dave

[Finn]

It just hit the Turkish papers...

http://www.sabah.com.tr/haber,24107E9C524A4B199E3467D9F3BE6581.html

It's a huge story.

[Scouse]

Im in for a ride Finn let me know time and place

[Swoop]

How do you get the little mite out of the country once Turkish border guards are alerted to a missing child?
Seriously, Turkish airports are not to be fucked with.
The amount of security and armed guards in Turkey should not be taken lightly. Having traveled and spent time there.......
X-ray machines to get INTO the airport, even if you are just seeing somebody off!

Turkey has been dealing with terrorism for years and knows how to protect its borders...

Count me in for a protest ride.

Excellent that the Turkish media have picked up on the story!!!

[RantyDave]

Seriously, Turkish airports are not to be fucked with.

Midnight Express - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077928/

I used to work for a company that had a Turkish technical director. Useless fuck he was, but I digress - we used to tell him that we knew what Turkey was like because of Midnight Express. He hated it, said that Turkey was a modern country now so clearly we stopped. Heh. Right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dXylT4F0SY - don't fuck with the Turkish police. They make ours look like donut munching speed cameras. Oh, hang on...

Dave

[Forest]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dXylT4F0SY - don't fuck with the Turkish police. They make ours look like donut munching speed cameras. Oh, hang on...

Dave

Your post made me think of the Turkish prison scene in Lawrence of Arabia.

http://www.guba.com/watch/3000133139

[Rollestonchick]

good luck guys, i would ride in the protest if i was in the north island

[bull]

Contact John Key and see what he can do to help.

[DMNTD]

Contact John Key and see what he can do to help.

+1 on that...the guy is on a losing mission so anything like this would help his cause.

[bull]

+1 on that...the guy is on a losing mission so anything like this would help his cause.

Probally his repsonse would be along the lines of pointing out how crap labour are and that he would do it better if he was in power etc, same ole shit, never actually do it once hes in tho.

[Number One]

This breaks my heart - poor guy as a parent I can only just begin to imagine how tough this is on him and I really hope something can be done SOON to reunite them again.

[Finn]

This breaks my heart - poor guy as a parent I can only just begin to imagine how tough this is on him and I really hope something can be done SOON to reunite them again.

You're on the money. I've witnessed a video Skype session where little Dylan is reaching out for his father and doesn't understand why he can't hold him.

Gut wrenching stuff.

[Number One]

You're on the money. I've witnessed a video Skype session where little Dylan is reaching out for his father and doesn't understand why he can't hold him.

Gut wrenching stuff.
I just feel sick thinking about it and the powerlessness he must be feeling...oh dear I've welled up.

If a protest ride to the embassy is on the cards in Wellington I'll be there for sure!!!

[Finn]

Okay, we're going to organise an Auckland ride in support for Dylan's return next Sat. I think Swashbucklers is a good place to meet first then return for drinks and food.

Suggestions on a route would be appreciated.

[Hitcher]

Suggestions on a route would be appreciated.

Something that goes past John Campbell would be a good idea...

[Sparrowhawk]

Okay, we're going to organise an Auckland ride in support for Dylan's return next Sat. I think Swashbucklers is a good place to meet first then return for drinks and food.

Suggestions on a route would be appreciated.

I'm in. WHere & when?

[Finn]

I'm in. WHere & when?

Ride organised...

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1779088#post1779088

[Scouse]

Register Here http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&ea=attend&e=1745

[Madness]

It just hit the Turkish papers...

Pity they used the cgi portrait of aunty. If they saw the real thing the Turks might have backed down already.

[Finn]

Date change for event... It's now Sunday 9th Nov at 11:00am

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1779088#post1779088

[Finn]

UPDATE!!!

A letter from Bruce...

Dear Friends

The 60 Minutes programme on the battle to bring my beautiful wee boy home from Turkey - "Bring Dylan Home" - will be on TV3, 7.30 pm this coming Monday night - November 24.

This show will reveal some very exciting news about Turkey's response to the direct appeal from the New Zealand Prime Minister to Turkey's Prime Minister.

Your can express your view directly to the PM's office through Dylan's website ...

wwww.bringdylanhome.co.nz

In the first couple of weeks more than 5000 people from around the world have visited Dylan's sad little site.

More than 1000 have watched him do the haka.

Your can also join the Facebook "Bring Dylan Home" campaign. There are 180 registered members of this group.

http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/group.php?gid=31228474479&ref=mf

To everyone - IT'S WORKING

Even if you feel your efforts may not make a difference - I can assure you, it makes a HUGE difference.

When I talk to news folk, politicians, diplomats - ALL have been to the site. It shows we care. It shows that good people from all over the world will not tolerate such evil actions, that a child must not be abducted and used as a weapon.

Please check out the attached poster. Please forward to as many friends as you can. If you can, please print it and stick up everywhere.


Bruce Laybourn
(Dylan's Daddy)

[sinfull]

Good luck and best wishes from a sinfull one !

[Blossom]

All the best wishes for Bruce and little Dylan. Hopefully this latest media coverage will help get him home.

[portokiwi]

:hug: Good Luck Bruce and little Dylan. God bless.
I realy hope you get him back.
No one deserves this.:hug:

[Brooke]

Have you held you ride? If not can you please PM me and let me know. We have a great bunch of people down here (waikato) that I am sure would participate in this cause. Please let me know. If you have held your ride, please let me know how you got on....

[Finn]

The ride has been put off for now. There's a lot of work going on behind the scenes where Bruce's attention is needed. I'll keep you informed.

Bruce appreciates all your support.

[Maffoo]

online fundraiser to pay a kidnap squad?

[Finn]

Bump...

60 Minutes. Tonight, TV3, 7:30.

[fliplid]

Just caught the last few mins of it... hopefully I'll be able to see the rest online!

[Gremlin]

I thought it was well done.

Lets hope some damn action comes out of it

[SARGE]

Particularly those ones with turkey in.

The only effective solution here is to hire some professionals to go and "abduct" this child back to New Zealand. Seriously.

i **Know** a guy....

[Brett]

Bump...

60 Minutes. Tonight, TV3, 7:30.

Watched it. Was very impressed with Bruces attitude with regard to doing his best to get Dylan back the proper way, rather than going down *other* avenues, no doubt available to get him back to NZ. The beaurecratic BS is utterly mind boggling. However, hope this are now on a faster track, and he is home soon.

[devnull]

I missed it & TV3 don't have it available on their site... :-(

Did anybody make a copy or have a link so we can see this?

[Finn]

Watched it. Was very impressed with Bruces attitude with regard to doing his best to get Dylan back the proper way, rather than going down *other* avenues, no doubt available to get him back to NZ. The beaurecratic BS is utterly mind boggling. However, hope this are now on a faster track, and he is home soon.

A few of us met up at Bruce's house last night to watch and offer support. In fact, while my house is being renovated, I've been living with Bruce for several months during this ordeal and have seen what he's going through. Mike McRoberts and 60 minutes did an excellent job - well done guys.

Bruce remains strong and above all, determined. He WILL get his son back and when he does, there's going to be one hell of a celebration.

[Blossom]

I was working so missed the program, but our thoughts and prayers remain with Bruce and Dylan. Keep us posted.

[Tank]

A few of us met up at Bruce's house last night to watch and offer support. In fact, while my house is being renovated, I've been living with Bruce for several months during this ordeal and have seen what he's going through. Mike McRoberts and 60 minutes did an excellent job - well done guys.

Bruce remains strong and above all, determined. He WILL get his son back and when he does, there's going to be one hell of a celebration.

I watched it and immediately recognized Bruce as the guy who was with you when we bumped into you guys down Mission bay on a Latte run (I mean Beers and Bourbon for breakfast).

What a tragic story and we can only wish the best for him - it sounds like positive steps were happening at the end of the story - please do keep us informed.

He must be one hell of a fighter - what a terrible ordeal for him to go thru. Here is hoping that faith, strength, courage, and decency win the day. It sounds like he has all in spades.

[Finn]

Just caught the last few mins of it... hopefully I'll be able to see the rest online!


I missed it & TV3 don't have it available on their site... :-(

Did anybody make a copy or have a link so we can see this?


I was working so missed the program, but our thoughts and prayers remain with Bruce and Dylan. Keep us posted.

Here you go. Worth watching...

http://www.3news.co.nz/tabid/88/Default.aspx?showid=12852

[Lissa]

I watched it what a gorgeous little boy. I know it must be hard for Bruce, going about it the 'proper' way may take time and be extremely hard emotionally as well as frustrating and exhausting but in the end I am certain it will have a happy ending and he will be reunited with his son. All the best!

[Blossom]

Here you go. Worth watching...

http://www.3news.co.nz/tabid/88/Default.aspx?showid=12852

Thanks Finn,
Just watched it and I can only imagine how hard this whole thing has been on Bruce. What character and integrity he has shown to use his resources and just take little Dylan back.
Good luck, I hope he gets the good news he is waiting for very soon.

[portokiwi]

Just finished watching the vid. Thats sad, the only thing he can do is wait and hope.... Will the turkish govt follow it up.
It would be a battle as its her first son and the first son is very importent in the muslem country like many will try and hold on to him as for mill service.

[Maha]

I watched it and, viewed from both sides. She seems ok, but affraid of losing her son. I understanding that. He seems ok too, notibly upset at how things in his life have panned out. I understand that. Couldn't help but ask the question (when the show finished) why, when she wanted to go back home with their son, did he not offer to bring her family out here? That could have been done for 1/10th of what has been spent so far. Now I am not judging any party with this comment but also felt that, when she agreed to return to NZ and didn't, is it possible that the thought entered her head that, once she got here, she would never return to Turkey with their son?

A terrible situation and I hope that it all turns out for betterment of the young boy involved.

[fliplid]

ta for the link- will watch asap!

[phred]

I watched it and I have total sympathy for the guy.
The mothers behaviour reminds me that the country changes but the shit stays the same.
His big mistake was coming home on his own and believing she would follow.
Next time DO NOT LET HIS SON OUT OF HIS SIGHT until back in NZ.

[Finn]

Update

Bruce flew to Turkey beginning of the month and has been reunited with his son. While this was court ordered access, the last time he tried, Dylan was immediately uplifted and hidden away somewhere.

Prior to Bruce leaving, the PM Office contacted him to say that they had written to the Turkish Court and that they were taking special interest in the case.

Court Case 17th February

The Public Prosecutor will open the case for the return of Dylan to New Zealand in Istanbul on behalf of the Republic of Turkey on February 17.

Dylan's father, Bruce, will travel to Istanbul late in January for his Turkish Family Court ordered access to his baby son for February. The court granted access to Dylan for the months of February and August while the case is being heard.

Last August, Dylan's mother took him out of the city to an unknown destinations in defiance of the
Turkish court order giving access to Bruce. To date, there has been no news
of legal repercussions for this blatant contempt of court.

Dylan’s father, Bruce Laybourn, declared his “eternal gratitude” to all who had made the case reopening possible – in particular the former New Zealand Prime Minister, Helen Clark, and the Turkish Prime Minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

The Director General of Turkey’s Ministry of Justice, Judge Ahmet Firat, announced on November 18, 2008, that his Ministry had forwarded documents in order to file a law suit in support of the request for the return of Dylan Rennick Laybourn to his nation of birth, New Zealand.

Find out more at www.bringdylanhome.co.nz

[The Baron]

Thank you Finn for this update. A lot of us are fathers.

[Finn]

Here's a very recent picture. Little Dylan is not so little anymore!

[Finn]

Yet another delay! The official who was to conduct the case on behalf of the Republic of Turkey – the Public Prosecutor – didn't show. You can't imagine how frustrating this is for Bruce.

PLEASE contact John Key's office through the "Your Appeal for Action" section on www.bringdylanhome.co.nz urging him and his office to take action.

There are more details on this latest delay on the website.

Thanks

[Finn]

Please help by signing the petition...

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/bringdylanhome

[Tank]

Please help by signing the petition...

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/bringdylanhome

Signed - I have also composed a email with the detail and the link and forwarded it to my entire company.

[Finn]

Signed - I have also composed a email with the detail and the link and forwarded it to my entire company.

Tanks Tank.

[Tank]

Tanks Tank.

Its not much - But come'on everybody.

It dosnt take long. KB is a large forum - if everyone can take the time to ACTIVLY let people know about it and get the word out the story will get bigger and bigger and the pressure will mount on those who can make a difference.

If everyone does something - we can get the message out to 1000's of people - if they all get the word out its tens of thousands.

This is something to get passionate about.

Don't just forward a email - Write something personal. Talk to friends and family. If you have contacts that can help - contact Finn or Bruce via the website and see how you can use them.

[Hemex]

Please help by signing the petition...

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/bringdylanhome

Done... I've forwarded to loads of people too... Hopefully it goes way beyond the number required!

[GurlRacer]

I've also signed and forwarded it on... :)

[coffeejunkie]

Being a parent myself i can only imagine what this must be doing to bruce, I have signed and passed on to, Good luck were all behind you

[A_Mans_Ruin]

Signed and passed on, standing behind ya 100%, may kharma work with you and your guardian angel stand strong!!!

[Nasty]

Signed and dealt with.

[Finn]

Yet another delay...

Thousands of friends and family will be shattered to learn that the judge today rejected the case for Dylan"s return to New Zealand.

After a short hearing, the judge ruled against the applications for Dylan"s return, lodged under the Hague Convention on Child Abduction.

It is expected that the written reasons for this decision will take two weeks to become available.

Dylan"s father, Bruce Laybourn, announced that plans were already underway for a vigorous appeal campaign. He said he expects the New Zealand Central Authority of the Hague Convention to lead the way with an appeal to its counterpart authority in Turkey.

"What is the point of important international laws against such an abhorrent crime as child abduction if they can be cast aside on a technicality?" he asked.

“ We had been informed that Turkey had invoked Article 36 of the Hague Convention. This, in essence, allows technicalities to be set aside that may stand in the way of justice being achieved. If ever there was a tragic case that fits this situation, it is Dylan’s abduction.

"The Hague Convention sets a time frame of six weeks for the return of a child yet Dylan has now been in Turkey for nearly two years. This is an absolute scandal and a huge comfort to anyone planning to abduct a child."

The case was to be conducted by the Republic of Turkey against Dylan’s mother for keeping him in Turkey beyond the 3-week holiday taken in 2007 – an action that constitutes abduction.

At the February 17 hearing the Public Prosecutor was not present and the judge required more information about the rules of the Hague Convention.

Turkish lawyer, Nedim Yuca, attending on behalf of Bruce Laybourn as a "particpant lawyer" had stated that as both parents and son are New Zealand citizens, there should be a ruling that Dylan be returned to his homeland. If there were issues between the parents the correct place for these to be resolved was in New Zealand.

[MSTRS]

Smacks of corruption in 'high places'.

[Finn]

Smacks of corruption in 'high places'.

Could be, especially when the Turkish judicial system is slow and in need of money. However, The Hague Convention by virtue shouldn't be affected by Turkeys corrupt judges, lawyers, politicians, police etc etc. You're either a member or not. There's no middle ground.

So if you're into child abduction, Turkeys the place.

No wonder Europe doesn't want them to be part of the EU.

[Finn]

Update

I spoke with Bruce last night. He arrived in Turkey last Friday to spend a month with his abducted son as arranged by the Turkish court. He traveled all that way and his ex has taken his son away for a month. The worst part is there is nothing he can do about it.

Nice one Turkey.

Updates on www.bringdylanhome.co.nz

[Fudmucker]

Turkey is desperately trying to get EU membership.
Perhaps Bruce's campaign could benefit from a push to make leaders of all the EU countries aware of Dylan's kidnapping...and Turkey's lack co-operation?

Tell Oprah Winfrey?
Publicity for the cause?

Thoughts and prayers with Bruce...justice will come!

[MisterD]

Should just give the SAS some hostage-rescue practice on the way to Afganistan...

[Hitcher]

Should just give the SAS some hostage-rescue practice on the way to Afganistan...

As discussed earlier in this thread, that would only work if the SAS could return directly to NZ from Turkey without stopping off.

[James Deuce]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2721623/Kiwi-dad-denied-access-to-son-in-Turkey

[p.dath]

That really pisses me off. If there is one thing I have learnt - it's that you can't rely on Government agencies to help you out.

[Finn]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2721623/Kiwi-dad-denied-access-to-son-in-Turkey

Thanks Jim, didn't see that. It's going to be in the Herald too.

[Finn]

Yip, it's in the Herald too...

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10588750

Good to finally see some action from Foreign Affairs.

[The Pastor]

So why did she take him?

[Finn]

So why did she take him?

You'll have to ask her that question.

[ynot slow]

Bloody shame Turkey has no juresdiction with the Hague convention,otherwise back in NZ to fight for custody,hopefully he can get the case heard here,and a bloody good case he'll have.

Best of luck,thanks for keeping updates,can only imagine his feelings.

[Genestho]

Thanks for the updates Finn, have been keeping up with this story!

Feel for the guy, I read a letter last week, addressed to his wee son.

Very sad for him.:no:
I'd like to say to him, to never give up, but I get the feeling that somehow, that's not an option.

[fliplid]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10674324

Things starting to move along at last?

[Lunchbox]

Oh this is excellent news, hopefully the goverment will help with the docoments!

[Grubber]

This is good news.
Hate to say it but this is the price one can pay for being wed to foreigners.
Very sad but true.