Why isn't crime an election issue?

[paturoa]

There are heaps of bikes being stolen.

I did a search on the word "stolen" after reading Rossi Gals post and got 1891 hits. Now assuming that KBers are good at spelun....

I got burgled last month and did a quick poll around the office EVERY person I asked had been a victim of crime in the last 5 years. Mostly theft, breaking stuff and vandals. There was no violent crime. In the 80s I had a bike stolen, I've had cars broken into and things like letter boxes smashed.

So is crime now so prevalent that we are just accepting it?

I'm thinking about who I'm voting for.

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[portokiwi]

:doh: Simple. The govt cant fix it. If they cant fix it.... Go around it.
Remember we are sopose to be a tree hugging green loving country.
We have factories pooring waste into our rivers. local govts dont want to know as 9 times out of 10 the owners are on the commity.
The usal story here in Gods Zone.... If you can hide it. Dont worry.
Our laws are to relaxed. goes more in favor of the accused then the victum.
Our life story,

[tri boy]

we have accepted it as part of our lives.
Shame on us.

[Flip]

Because the economy might be going to hell in a hand basket. People are worried if they will have a job next week.

[dino3310]

act are keen on this 3 strikes and your out system, how that will work with the smaller crimes like theft and shit i dont know.

[slimjim]

nope they are all full of shit...one way or another...and as there are two many chefs in the kitchen ...nothing is gona change....fuck they kill woman now...so why worry about stolen item's...user pay's

[James Deuce]

act are keen on this 3 strikes and your out system, how that will work with the smaller crimes like theft and shit i dont know.
Three strikes and you're out. It isn't rocket science. You get fair warning too.

[MSTRS]

act are keen on this 3 strikes and your out system, how that will work with the smaller crimes like theft and shit i dont know.

How can you not understand that? Any criminal offence counts as one. Get caught shoplifting 3 times and you are off to pokey. For a long time. Simple.
And if you think theft is 'small', tell that to those on here etc who have had their bikes taken.
Sure, it's relatively harmless compared to murder, but remember that most of the 'big' crimes are committed by those that started out with a bit of harmless tagging, shoplifting, taking stereos from cars...that sort of thing.

[dino3310]

How can you not understand that? Any criminal offence counts as one. Get caught shoplifting 3 times and you are off to pokey. For a long time. Simple.
And if you think theft is 'small', tell that to those on here etc who have had their bikes taken.
Sure, it's relatively harmless compared to murder, but remember that most of the 'big' crimes are committed by those that started out with a bit of harmless tagging, shoplifting, taking stereos from cars...that sort of thing.

firstly i've only heard about it so i wasn't sure what it was about or how serious the crime had to be- but ive just read the artical in the rag . hopefully its not just another bullshit election promise. what age do the strikes start, do they carry over from youth?

`secondly i'm one of those on here who have had there bike stolen-house burgled so i do know what its like, but i'm not going to treat the common thief like a murderer i'll beat the shit out of him with a bat but i wont put him in the same class as a murderer.

[Marmoot]

So is crime now so prevalent that we are just accepting it?

I remember hearing about National's policy regarding early-intervention, harsher penalties, life means life, and so on.

On the other extremes, there is a Legalise Canabis party that plans to reduce crime by legalising a portion of it, thereby making what counts as crimes a bit less. I reckon they have some loose screws in their heads.

Meanwhile, on the current front, there was a dairy shop near my home that just got burgled late last week and the owner got stabbed. Lucky she didn't die.

[James Deuce]

Crime isn't more prevalent. If someone stole your bike when I was a kid and you didn't organise a gang of mates to go and get it back then you didn't deserve it in the first place and the old man gave you the bash for wimping out.

You sure as hell didn't whine to the cops about it, because they'd give you the bash for wasting their time. The focus on crime has shifted to include the formerly socially acceptable crimes of violence against children, old people, and retailers. Oh, and chicks wearing practically nothing.

I sure as hell hope we don't end up a little Britain with one CCTV camera for every rubbish bin. Be careful what you ask for.

[MSTRS]

... hopefully its not just another bullshit election promise....

Be careful what you ask for.

Finding a 'system' that works is not easy. Mayor Guiliano's Broken Windows policies seemed to work well, in that serious crime dropped off quite dramatically after it was implemented. I don't know what the downside was though...there was bound to be one.

[Usarka]

Finding a 'system' that works is not easy. Mayor Guiliano's Broken Windows policies seemed to work well, in that serious crime dropped off quite dramatically after it was implemented. I don't know what the downside was though...there was bound to be one.

The book Freakanomics uses statistics to argue that the drop in new yorks crime rate during Gulliani's term was actually due to the police hiring binge his predecessor implemented as part of his electioneering campaign......

More cops on the street = more bad guys arrested and more care taken during arrests = more likely conviction.

Worth a read....

[R6_kid]

I really honestly think that the SAS/army needs to be brought to arms and to use the gang 'strongholds' as training. They are effectively terrorising us, yet the government isn't willing to take a REAL stand against it.

I'd like to see how hard the Killer Beez etc think they are when 20+ SAS dudes show up at thier door.

[NOMIS]

On the other extremes, there is a Legalise Canabis party that plans to reduce crime by legalising a portion of it, thereby making what counts as crimes a bit less. I reckon they have some loose screws in their heads.
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Further more on this..

Now for some stupid reason ( sorry pot smokers ) this has become a socially accepted drug why?? Now Alcohol and Tobacco are already legal why make another harmful substance legal to?
I started trying cigarettes at around 6-7 years old stealing them from my aunties and uncles.. now would you want a 6-7 year old kid trying weed?

yes damn straight they have a bloody screw loose I think its absolutly stupid,

For medical reasons perhaps but I think it has to be proven a bit more that it is working for the person involved.

Maybe KB should start a political party ;-) - now that would never work .

[sunhuntin]

do those in prison get to vote? if so, then thats why crime isnt a politcal agenda... a large number of their voters are in jail.

[Slyer]

There needs to more cops, harsher penalties and much more follow ups.
They also need to get rid of some of the ridiculous laws that are just a waste of police time. Need to be more lenient on speeding and just as hard on drunk driving.

I would like to see every theft investigated as much as possible, don't let the thieves think they can get away with it easy. I wouldn't mind if we have to take money away from other areas to pay for this, like welfare for example.

[sunhuntin]

crime fighting needs to start younger as well. ive just read about 3 10 year olds who set upon their teacher who is in her first year of teaching. the school is in a shit area, and the kids appear to have shit parents who are training them to follow their footsteaps. and when i was st high school i heard about one girl who threw rubbish bins etc at one teacher [but she came from a decent family... i met her mother and shes just lovely.]

[dino3310]

i'd like to see capital punishment bought back for the real sick fucks

[Slyer]

Yeah me too.

[Murray]

I'd like to see a law that if someone is on your property illegally or doing something illegal you can do what you like with them!!!

[vtec]

Because rich people don't care about what they view as petty crime. They can afford exhorbitant insurance, or to replace cars and jewellery. They people in power are out of touch. They aren't generally the target of crime. Not many mercedes get stolen for many reasons. The middle class is again shafted.

If you're a burglar you target middle class houses. If you're a car thief you target middle class cars. Don't ask me why. If I was a burglar, or a car thief I'd be going after the rich, as they can afford to lose stuff. Still you don't become a thief or burglar by taking the moral high ground.

For some reason bank robbery's take precedence over personal or private robberies, even though the damage done to people is far worse in the private ones. Why do the banks get rights that normal people don't. Hell, why are they getting bailed out at the moment, they should be made bankrupt like everyone else would have been. The government action should merely have been to guarantee depositors. Not buy toxic "assets" off morally bereft corporations.

[Slyer]

Well you should be allowed to beat the crap out of them if they refuse to leave or don't leave quick enough. ;)
But no killing or permanent damage eh.

[KingJackaL]

do those in prison get to vote? if so, then thats why crime isnt a politcal agenda... a large number of their voters are in jail.

And you think taking the vote AWAY from people in jail would make our country a better place? :nono: You might as well start taking away the vote from anyone you don't feel 'deserves' a vote anymore - handicapped, those with an opposite political affiliation, et al.

Crime IS an election issue, it's just not the most important thing out there (hint: economy is right now). And would you saps stop wahing about how crime is getting worse and 'when you were a boy'? Educate yourself, here's a good starting point:

http://www.police.govt.nz/service/statistics/2008/fiscal/index.html

[Usarka]

Crime IS an election issue, it's just not the most important thing out there (hint: economy is right now). And would you saps stop wahing about how crime is getting worse and 'when you were a boy'? Educate yourself, here's a good starting point:

http://www.police.govt.nz/service/statistics/2008/fiscal/index.html

Interesting link..... here's the violent crime graph from it.....Waaaah...

(and don't try the "there's more being reported" line, there is no objective evidence to back that up)

[James Deuce]

Well you should be allowed to beat the crap out of them if they refuse to leave or don't leave quick enough. ;)
But no killing or permanent damage eh.

Because it's a crime.

That attitude is the one underlying the reason why violent crime in NZ will never go away.

[MIXONE]

It wouldn't matter a fuck if crime was an election issue.Last time labour promised harsher sentencing and more cops on the beat,
If you believe anything a politician tells you,especially in election year,then you deserve the gumint you vote for.

[Usarka]

And comments from governments like "we hired 2000 extra police last term" is usually slightly misleading when you net out the number who left the force. :nono:

[paturoa]

I'm thinking John has it right here ..

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=78158

It doesn't matter a rats arse to the "media" that we are having our bikes stolen and are victims of other crimes.....

Does anyone know any political "journalists" that are bikers?

Perhaps we should go borrow their bike?

[kezzafish]

basically, you can't stop dickhead, fuckwit, cunts from being exactly that. they just don't care. Add years to their sentence? you and me pay for their food and it doesn't deter them because the retards don't think they're gonna get caught (they probably won't). I'm fucked if i wanna pay any more tax for more cops and if we cut the benefit we'll force even more of these hillbillies into taking shit just to feed their inbred children who will come and take some more of our shit. There is not a place on earth where there's no cunts. You gotta protect yourself to an extent. Big dogs and machetes

[shafty]

Firstly - Paturoa, my sympathies. Good Karma will come your way.

I ran a security company for a number of years, and spoke with prolly thousands of burglary victims. Sad stuff. Like the wankers ringing up the victim to ask how to use their VCR, and laughing on the phone - and much worse - you can imagine.

With DVD players, Laptops, flat screen TVs coming down in price - means a stolen one is worth much less, - and a major driver is the drug habit - a 1000 a week habit doesn't just mean one TV.............got the picture.

I reckon, give the cops SS Commodores, make it desireable to join, make pistols standard issue, and fund it out of the $4 million we spend A DAY, yes people, A DAY -- on the DPB

[Salival]

Further more on this..

Now for some stupid reason ( sorry pot smokers ) this has become a socially accepted drug why?? Now Alcohol and Tobacco are already legal why make another harmful substance legal to?
I started trying cigarettes at around 6-7 years old stealing them from my aunties and uncles.. now would you want a 6-7 year old kid trying weed?

yes damn straight they have a bloody screw loose I think its absolutly stupid,

For medical reasons perhaps but I think it has to be proven a bit more that it is working for the person involved.

Maybe KB should start a political party ;-) - now that would never work .

It's become a socially accepted drug because there's nothing wrong with it.

The fact of the matter is that cannabis being illegal does more harm than good.

- How many police hours are wasted on cannabis investigation, when they could be investigating "real" crime?
- How many court cases are there in relation to possessing small amounts of cannabis? How much money does that cost the tax payers?
- How many lives are ruined with a criminal conviction that results only from propaganda released in the 50s and 60s by cotton corporations to prevent the cultivation of hemp?
- How many scientific studies done in the past five years have found cannabis to be even remotely as harmful as some people believe?

Weed has been smoked by millions of people for thousands of years. It's not going away any time soon.

I take your point that re: making another harmful substance legal, but how is keeping it illegal having any actual benefit? People still use it, and they're not going to stop. Keeping it illegal means that it must be sourced from criminals who may also be selling actual harmful drugs. Far less people would be exposed to the possibility of using amphetamines if they never had to deal with the people who sold them.

And I don't mean to hassle your folks or your upbringing, but why did they leave things like that just lying around? You surely can't say that everyone would just leave a joint lying around for their kid to find. Perhaps your caregivers should've been more careful with their drugs.