Gas Gas, any good?

[2_SL0]

Looking at the attached bike in trade me, what do people think?
What are they like for quality? Parts?

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dirt-bikes/auction-186068234.htm

[tommorth]

imo nice bike but I dont really know much

price is close to a new one but those ohlins must be worth a bit parts should be pretty easy to get

[Rupe]

Looking at the attached bike in trade me, what do people think?
What are they like for quality? Parts?

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dirt-bikes/auction-186068234.htm

I've looked at that one on trademe sevral times, but it's out of my budget.

I haven't really found a problem with parts apart from when I'm trying to cut costs. Most dealers over here stock all the parts but aren't the cheapest, and spectrum can now get them. I've used Dirt Action Services and a fella called linton for most of my parts, he has every little bit, he's cheap, and his knowledge is top notch, he even keeps a file so he knows my jetting etc. I'd speak to him beore you make any decisions 033890080, a real helpful guy.

Quality is good for the engine etc, but the plastics can be a bit shit. The power dilevery will be smooth and not like a mx bike so depends what you want.

As for the suspension I personally know a guy with a 250 with ohlins front and back and he said it's the best handling bike he's owned, and he's had the orange ones.

Check thumper talk for a less bias opinion.

[kezzafish]

imo nice bike but I dont really know much

price is close to a new one but those ohlins must be worth a bit parts should be pretty easy to get

they come standard with ohlins, which as everyone knows are the greatest bike suspension experts in the world. they are the shit. i want one hard. not the most awesomely powered beasts but unbeatable with the right rider in the enduro stuff. so it depends what riding you wanna do

[dammad1]

I have read alot of good reviews on them, but every time I have sat on one they just don't give me a real feel of quality.

I think you will find 7k is no where near the price of a new one.

[noobi]

i think new ones are similar prices to the equivalant KTM
iv seen new 07' 250s advertised in kiwiriders for similar money
piston kits are probably similar to jap bikes just get wiseco genuine, mine wasnt outrageous, 125 mind you

and my 07' 125 one is most awesome:woohoo:

[kezzafish]

they were selling brand new 300cc 07s a few months ago (to make way for new stock)for $7800 and 250s for about $7250. i can't click that trade me link cos my computer at work blocks trade me. what model are we looking at here? what hours? what price?

[dammad1]

they were selling brand new 300cc 07s a few months ago (to make way for new stock)for $7800 and 250s for about $7250. i can't click that trade me link cos my computer at work blocks trade me. what model are we looking at here? what hours? what price?

Then that was a super deal, should of bought 2!

[2_SL0]

they were selling brand new 300cc 07s a few months ago (to make way for new stock)for $7800 and 250s for about $7250. i can't click that trade me link cos my computer at work blocks trade me. what model are we looking at here? what hours? what price?

Gas-Gas Enduro 2007
Asking price: $7,000 Or Near Offer

This is a factory bike imported from Spain for the Taupo 6-day event, running extra features including Ohlins front and rear shocks, factory exhaust, digital enduro readout with multiple terrain test settings, rain or sunshine switch by throttle which drops 5 horsepower off motor in the wet.

[noobi]

the ohlins suspension is extra, that model is like the race version similar to the KTM sixdays models
standard they have sachs in the rear and marzocchi shiver forks:rockon:

[kezzafish]

some models also come with WP suspension but if the bike in the trade me ad has ohlins then i'll bet it came with the bike as standard

[Rupe]

Gas-Gas Enduro 2007
Asking price: $7,000 Or Near Offer

This is a factory bike imported from Spain for the Taupo 6-day event, running extra features including Ohlins front and rear shocks, factory exhaust, digital enduro readout with multiple terrain test settings, rain or sunshine switch by throttle which drops 5 horsepower off motor in the wet.


It's the "racing edition" I think, they are doing a 6 day one for 09, but I guess this one was just brought in for the 6day event.

they drop in price from new quite a bit as people worry about parts etc for them, but not a problem now. It's been on trademe for a while, give him a grind you might get a bargin.

[kezzafish]

It's the "racing edition" I think, they are doing a 6 day one for 09, but I guess this one was just brought in for the 6day event.

they drop in price from new quite a bit as people worry about parts etc for them, but not a problem now. It's been on trademe for a while, give him a grind you might get a bargin.

what size is it (200,250,300?)

[Rupe]

what size is it (200,250,300?)

the one he's looking at is a 250

[takitimu]

I know that bike :), I saw it Sunday on the way back from Taupo actually, I'll vouch for the trader, he's a good bloke & yeah it's pretty trick, the forks alone look awesome.
Just got a txt, 70 hours on the clock.

[secondfield]

i want one hard. not the most awesomely powered beasts but unbeatable with the right rider in the enduro stuff.

Thats why the nz enduro champs was won on an rmz450 eh? oh, and paul whibley in the GNCC on his rmz450 .... oh and ole knighter on his ktm450 ...

Unbeatable? not a gas gas to be seen for miles ... smelly little premix :scooter:

Try a TM300 tha'd be more your style .. italian production bike with factory spec's .. or a good ole kato 300 exc if your in for a two poker...


i want one hard

That sounds a bit sus bro' :laugh:

I wanna get you and dave into club mx ... just to be well rounded dirt bike fiends ...:woohoo:

A big bugger like you might be a bit dissapointed with the gas gas.

[kezzafish]

Thats why the nz enduro champs was won on an rmz450 eh? oh, and paul whibley in the GNCC on his rmz450 .... oh and ole knighter on his ktm450 ...

Unbeatable? not a gas gas to be seen for miles ... smelly little premix :scooter:

Try a TM300 tha'd be more your style .. italian production bike with factory spec's .. or a good ole kato 300 exc if your in for a two poker...



That sounds a bit sus bro' :laugh:

I wanna get you and dave into club mx ... just to be well rounded dirt bike fiends ...:woohoo:

A big bugger like you might be a bit dissapointed with the gas gas.

you can hardly compare two bikes in a race series when one of them doesn't enter it? if you can then i'd say: look at the World Enduro Championship, Gas gas pissing all over RMZs and KXFs for that matter. The TM300 and the KTM300 are very similar bikes to the Gasgas they'd all be great. I'm just saying that i'm a bit tired of muscleing my 450 1/4turn throttle weapon through the link track. and backflips while i'm trying to get up a hill are fun for a little while but at the end of the day... i wanna get to the top of the motherfucking hill. but in saying that... i fukken love whoopin you bitches asses through the karapoti gorge. gimme a gasgas and we'll dual at the MX track........bitch, then lay down and felate on my toe
Oh and as for GNCC... that's just a massive, narrow, MX track. And my bike'd be fine for that. it's the more hardcore tech shit that i wanna go faster in. Anyway, to the point, i'm hateing seeing these aucklanders with all the good rides and series so i'm taking my machette up karapoti on sunday and i'm gonna cut us an old track clear and stage an illegal cross country race. You in for some muscle work?

[kezzafish]

ok, got home and checked the bike on trade me. It looks good. and someone in a previous post vouches for the seller so buy it and gimme a ride. The only thing i'd say is it's a little on the pricey side considering how cheap brand new ones are so whittle him down to 6500 and it's a great buy

[Danger]

Be careful holding up the Ohlins on the Gas Gas to the aftermarket Ohlins available for any other bike. As in anything there are different price points to fill and different performance levels.
The Gas Gas are delivered with a price point Ohlins and are valved incredibly soft, not that suited to the Kiwi environment that often double dutys them for some off road riding and club MX.
What I'm saying is if you want a Gas Gas, buy a Gas Gas. Don't buy one because it has Ohlins suspension. If you want Ohlins suspension, be prepared to pay for it on the bike of your choice.
Having said that, I would prefer the price point Ohlins over the Marzocchis that most of these bikes come with.

[Rupe]

The Gas Gas are delivered with a price point Ohlins and are valved incredibly soft, not that suited to the Kiwi environment that often double dutys them for some off road riding and club MX..
lol, you don't know anyone who could sort them out do you????


Hey Secondfeild, you every watched WEC, last man standing, etc, can't say I've seen many susuki's or kwaka's do any damage there.

It's not a mx bike, it's an enduro bike.

[Danger]

lol, you don't know anyone who could sort them out do you????
It's not a mx bike, it's an enduro bike.

You miss the point, most Kiwi's double duty their bikes here and don't just ride enduro's. Hence the popular use of MX bikes for trail riding and MX riding in one.

For working on the Ohlins you could try Robert Taylor at Crown Kiwi Technical or perhaps Linton in Christchurch for the Marzocchis. I've worked on friends Gas Gas's before because they are friends bikes, but have turned away customers who have come to me with them in recent times due to the hassle in stocking parts for a bike that I see few off, the price of the parts and the hassle, down time and cost of having fork tubes re annodised and machining bushing lands (marzocchis). So no, I prefer you not to bring your Gas Gas to me although I can really help those with WP forks, but there are not many with them. Your comment was cynical and defensive to jump to Gas Gas's defense but I wasn't looking for work, just trying to offer some helpful advice.

[noobi]

so Danger your saying you wont work on Marzocchis because there hard to get parts for?

[Danger]

so Danger your saying you wont work on Marzocchis because there hard to get parts for?

Just saying its not worth me stocking them. I got a set of OEM seals for a friends set of Marzocchis, they cost me about $96.00, not looking to make profit on a friends set but it makes it hard to pass on the costs to a customer and make any kind of profit. Add on other costs to sort the forks out and its not much fun for me or the customer.
I did try to get a replacement piston for another set which a butcher had ruined by drilling out and breaking the piston. It wasn't available and I was unable to replace it.

[Rupe]

You miss the point, most Kiwi's double duty their bikes here and don't just ride enduro's. Hence the popular use of MX bikes for trail riding and MX riding in one.


sweet as, I did point out it was an enduro bike not an mx bike. It was just a bit of tongue and cheak, if you don't want the work at the moment don't do it, theres plenty of well qualified people that will. And yeah I'd choose Linton due to his knowledge, service, and very resonable prices.

Anyway this isn't really helping out 2slo so I'll shut up.

[kezzafish]

Anyway this isn't really helping out 2slo so I'll shut up.

i recon it's helpful, good to know about stuff like part availabilty and different opinions on bike suitability. I'd say the gas gas is a sweet buy especially because it has the ohlins suspension because you'll have no problems finding parts for ohlins suspension. they're one of the biggest suspension companys in the world. like i said before, buy it and gimme a hoon

[2_SL0]

Its all good. But I haven't purchased the Gas Gas, BUT I have made a purchase, Danger I think your be pleased in my choice.

[noobi]

Its all good. But I haven't purchased the Gas Gas, BUT I have made a purchase, Danger I think your be pleased in my choice.

Orange? two stroke? 200 or 250?

[kezzafish]

orange 300? wooohoooo

[2_SL0]

Orange 2 stroke, 200, I'm to much of a girl for the 300.

[tommorth]

congrats on the new bike

[secondfield]

Yep' the ole mx vs enduro bike for riding rears it head again. I dare to venture that its easier to modify a mx bike for enduro type terrain than ride an enduro bike effectively in mx.

Mx bikes by their nature are built light and for speed. A major drawback for some is the gearbox. But in tight enduro conditions are you really changing gear that often? if you gear your bike suitably (front and rear sprocket) to match the style of riding your doing then your halfway there.

You can tone down the delivery of an mx bike (flywheel weight - 4 stroke / reed valves two stroke) quite easily. Not to mention the dual ignition curves that are being offered on things like the new kato's and the gas gas we are looking at.

I still maintain a 48 tooth sprocket on the back of a 450 is a good compromise to keep the front end down on the steep hills, along with some smooth clutch action and familiarity with the bikes tolerances. You can torque those engines when needed without excessive clutch use or just use the huge bottom end to tractor through / over / under obstacles / ruts whilst staying just above idle. If your not supremely fit and have to stop every now and then they are far more forgiving than a two stroke. Untouchable on the open sections.

Kez is a bit of a technical rider though and he'd probably enjoy the added weight reduction/ flikability of the gas gas. But definately ride before you buy in this case. It'd take a bit of getting used to after a 450 ie little or no engine braking, keeping it on the pipe all the time (specially the 200's 250's), and getting roosted with Karipoti greywacke by us as we fly past you on the 450's bettween brakes.

Remember sunday kez? those kato 2 smokers struggling to get up the 'a' section of the totara trailride, those guy's were reasonably seasoned riders too. Competition types. My dirty ole 450' got up there with little fuss. Possibly a fluke though :sweatdrop... had to drop the tyre pressure a bit for that one..

But that gas gas is a nice bike! probably take 6g for it... 70 hours on it. he's looked after it.

[Reckless]

Tried what you say with my CR250, fly wheel weight, gearing, tuning etc and never got it quite like the 200exc is straight out of the box. Never could achieve the low down torque the 200 has! But in saying that I'm not what you'd call a seasoned rider either!
You might be quite correct when applying that scenerio to 4 strokes though never owned one so I don't know.
Also your point about the hill climb. There's no doubt in my mind the power delivery of a 4 stroke does make them very good climbers!! But with 3 bikes to run for me and the kids I simply can't afford it! I can strip a 2 smoker down blind folded but them expensive titanium valves scare me!

Congrats on the bike 2-slo we'll be the Kato 200 forum soon!!! Bloody jealous tho I'd love a later model!!!

[Wellyman]

My Gasser has never put a foot wrong. only the rider makes the fuck ups!
I love my gasser, and am not looking forward to having to sell it in the near future.
WM

[kezzafish]

My Gasser has never put a foot wrong. only the rider makes the fuck ups!
I love my gasser, and am not looking forward to having to sell it in the near future.
WM

how much ya want? is it road registerable? i'm thinking of getting rid of the motard (oh it hurts) so i can keep my SXF and have a 2smoke enduro plugger

[Wellyman]

Not selling it quite yet. yes it is road reg if you put it back on.
WM

[kezzafish]

your not the man i parked next to at totara park on Sunday are ya? with the ohlins susp? i'm the lanky ginger on the big ginger 4 stroke

[Danger]

By the way, I had a customer in this week with a very low hour (about 21 hours I think it was) '07 KTM250 EXC this week. He had an accident and is off the bike for about 8 months. He wanted about $7000.00 for his bike and was putting it on Trade Me but if anyone wants his number or better yet lets me know their number I'll try and hook you up.

[kezzafish]

By the way, I had a customer in this week with a very low hour (about 21 hours I think it was) '07 KTM250 EXC this week. He had an accident and is off the bike for about 8 months. He wanted about $7000.00 for his bike and was putting it on Trade Me but if anyone wants his number or better yet lets me know their number I'll try and hook you up.

very interested my friend, I need to sell my SM first tho (i'm gonna stick it up in the motard section now!) and as long as he has the road kit. Do ya recon he'll take 6 cash?
i can't PM you? call me 027 220 6030

[Danger]

No you can't PM me, but I will pass your number onto the man tomorrow. I doubt he would take $6000.00 cash as the bike is already very good value at $7000.00 and I'm sure he would want to try Trade Me first but thats for you to negotiate with the seller. $7000.00 cash would probably purchase the bike. But I have only met the guy briefly so who knows?

[Danger]

Orange 2 stroke, 200, I'm to much of a girl for the 300.

Good stuff! I'm sure you wont regret it if you set it up right. And hey, its the girls that need the electric start that get the 300's!:girlfight:

[Ktmboy]

Good stuff! I'm sure you wont regret it if you set it up right. And hey, its the girls that need the electric start that get the 300's!:girlfight:

oooh you're a suggestive biarch Danger... I see ya little digs all over the place...:angry2:

Have to put my 10c in(don't have 2cents anymore).
The 300 I find is actually easier and faster to ride than the 200. Prolly due to the extra HP that hauls my arse around. You should get one Danger. But then maybe not as the 300 is 385mm ground clearance and the 200 is 390mm clearance. That extra 5mm could mean more sore tutsies:argh:
Don't see many 450's getting past me on hill climbs though.;)

[B0000M]

they were selling brand new 300cc 07s a few months ago (to make way for new stock)for $7800 and 250s for about $7250. i can't click that trade me link cos my computer at work blocks trade me. what model are we looking at here? what hours? what price?

try ktunnel.com

lets you go to whatever sites you want through ktunel. no more pesky work blocking things!

[B0000M]

Tried what you say with my CR250, fly wheel weight, gearing, tuning etc and never got it quite like the 200exc is straight out of the box. Never could achieve the low down torque the 200 has! But in saying that I'm not what you'd call a seasoned rider either!
You might be quite correct when applying that scenerio to 4 strokes though never owned one so I don't know.
Also your point about the hill climb. There's no doubt in my mind the power delivery of a 4 stroke does make them very good climbers!! But with 3 bikes to run for me and the kids I simply can't afford it! I can strip a 2 smoker down blind folded but them expensive titanium valves scare me!

Congrats on the bike 2-slo we'll be the Kato 200 forum soon!!! Bloody jealous tho I'd love a later model!!!


just as a matter of interest, and i can't remember - what exause system did your cr250 have?

[Reckless]

just as a matter of interest, and i can't remember - what exause system did your cr250 have?

Pro circut Platinum Pipe and yes would prolly have been better with a Fatty and yes Pipe is everything on a 2smoker but I didn't want to spend another 5 hundy on an 01 bike.
Your probably much better suited to the CR B000M your quite a bit faster than me and can handle the power delivery better. But for me I got so frustrated with being tentative on the throttle all the time. Still the CR was a bloody good bike.

[B0000M]

Pro circut Platinum Pipe and yes would prolly have been better with a Fatty and yes Pipe is everything on a 2smoker but I didn't want to spend another 5 hundy on an 01 bike.
Your probably much better suited to the CR B000M your quite a bit faster than me and can handle the power delivery better. But for me I got so frustrated with being tentative on the throttle all the time. Still the CR was a bloody good bike.

yea, im not bagging your choice of bike by any means. i think for your riding style and genre what you have is probably better - at the end of the day the bike you can ride most comfortably and fastest at the same time is the best bike forr you.

for the record though, allthough i never rode an 01 to compare, ive ridden -05s / 06s (no changes between these models) with both the pro circuit and the fatty, and allthough the procircuit offers gains up high, it seriously lacks in the bottom end.

[Danger]

very interested my friend, I need to sell my SM first tho (i'm gonna stick it up in the motard section now!) and as long as he has the road kit. Do ya recon he'll take 6 cash?
i can't PM you? call me 027 220 6030

Expect a call.

[Dent]

I see you've decided on an orange bike, but anyway on the subject of the gasgas....

I have one of the sellout EC300 07 Gassers.
Most of the 07's in NZ got the Ohlins rear shock (a few didn't).

Dirt Action in Chch really do know the GasGas well. Both co-owners have owned several of them.

I purchased mine for trail riding, and recreational riding, which it seems quite suitable for.

The 07's biggest fault is the plank they jokingly call a seat.
Dirt Action can sort that out for you at a reasonable price. Ive just had mine done, and its a huge improvement.

There was an index of reviews for various models here (not working right this minute):
http://www.gasgasrider.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1959

[cheese]

yea, im not bagging your choice of bike by any means. i think for your riding style and genre what you have is probably better - at the end of the day the bike you can ride most comfortably and fastest at the same time is the best bike forr you.

for the record though, allthough i never rode an 01 to compare, ive ridden -05s / 06s (no changes between these models) with both the pro circuit and the fatty, and allthough the procircuit offers gains up high, it seriously lacks in the bottom end.

I found that the 01s were much more snappy than our bikes. nothing down low at all. My bike is like a 4 stroke in comparison!

[chop]

Thats why the nz enduro champs was won on an rmz450 eh? oh, and paul whibley in the GNCC on his rmz450 .... oh and ole knighter on his ktm450 ...

Unbeatable? not a gas gas to be seen for miles ... smelly little premix :scooter:

Try a TM300 tha'd be more your style .. italian production bike with factory spec's .. or a good ole kato 300 exc if your in for a two poker...



That sounds a bit sus bro' :laugh:

I wanna get you and dave into club mx ... just to be well rounded dirt bike fiends ...:woohoo:

A big bugger like you might be a bit dissapointed with the gas gas.



Cam is not human and could probably win on a mountain bike.. Gas gas have some good and bad points but the parts are readly avail and Triumph nz offer good back up.. Theyre like any bike its up to the riders preferance

[Reckless]

Haven't ridden an 04 but when I was looking at buying a CR every report and review I read on them said the last mechanical power valve model IE the 01 was better than the first of the electronic actuated power valves. They made this much better in later years but that's why I went for the 01 over the 02 and 03. Don't get me wrong my 01 tractured very well from down low but it was and always will be an MX based bike compared to the exc's.

Secondly I'm not criticising the CR, its a damn good bike, it was just a bit wrong for my type of riding and ability, which doesn't mean that applies to anyone else!
The move to the 125 size frame, 200cc grunt and exc style bike has been a good one for me. I just can't wait to afford to let Danger at the suspension but I just bought a bike for my youngest son instead!

[kezzafish]

Expect a call.
Awesome, cheers. i had a chat to him and i'm super keen on the bike. Just gotta decide what i'm gonna do with my current situation. Do i sell the Tard? if so how do i get to work? do i sell the 450? if i do am i gonna be dissapointed with the 250 when it comes to race time with the boys? do i sell both and fix my van so i can use it to get to work? same drama as previous. you see my dilemma?

Haven't ridden an 04 but when I was looking at buying a CR every report and review I read on them said the last mechanical power valve model IE the 01 was better than the first of the electronic actuated power valves. They made this much better in later years but that's why I went for the 01 over the 02 and 03. Don't get me wrong my 01 tractured very well from down low but it was and always will be an MX based bike compared to the exc's.

Secondly I'm not criticising the CR, its a damn good bike, it was just a bit wrong for my type of riding and ability, which doesn't mean that applies to anyone else!
The move to the 125 size frame, 200cc grunt and exc style bike has been a good one for me. I just can't wait to afford to let Danger at the suspension but I just bought a bike for my youngest son instead!

Am i gonna be dissapointed with the 250 at race time after selling my 450 super stomper?

[Danger]

You miss the point, most Kiwi's double duty their bikes here and don't just ride enduro's. Hence the popular use of MX bikes for trail riding and MX riding in one.

For working on the Ohlins you could try Robert Taylor at Crown Kiwi Technical or perhaps Linton in Christchurch for the Marzocchis. I've worked on friends Gas Gas's before because they are friends bikes, but have turned away customers who have come to me with them in recent times due to the hassle in stocking parts for a bike that I see few off, the price of the parts and the hassle, down time and cost of having fork tubes re annodised and machining bushing lands (marzocchis). So no, I prefer you not to bring your Gas Gas to me although I can really help those with WP forks, but there are not many with them. Your comment was cynical and defensive to jump to Gas Gas's defense but I wasn't looking for work, just trying to offer some helpful advice.

Can you tell me why I deserved the bad gas for the above post and you telling me I need to pull my head in Rupert? You seem to get upset anytime I offer my advice on Gas Gas threads. Whats your problem? Call me on 832 0153 and get it off your chest if your man enough instead of feeding me bad gas for no reason!

[xen]

Cool bike mate, congrats on the purchase

[kezzafish]

try ktunnel.com

lets you go to whatever sites you want through ktunel. no more pesky work blocking things!

cheer bro, i'll give it a go. i won't even ask how that works

[Rupe]

Can you tell me why I deserved the bad gas for the above post and you telling me I need to pull my head in Rupert? You seem to get upset anytime I offer my advice on Gas Gas threads. Whats your problem? Call me on 832 0153 and get it off your chest if your man enough instead of feeding me bad gas for no reason!

I'm sure I'll bump into you soon enough, I'll explain then.

[camchain]

Its all good. But I haven't purchased the Gas Gas, BUT I have made a purchase, Danger I think your be pleased in my choice.

Hey 2slo, Did you get that nice 07 in Kapiti? I rang him just after he sold it.
I ended up going even further south, just bought one in Ashburton. Bit of a (orange) roughy but price was good. Guy emailed me plenty of close-up photos but will find out how 'fishy' the deal was when BikeTranz brings it up to me!

Ha. Danger I knew I'd make a better one turn up by buying one. Saw that one on TradeMe this morning and immediately spotted your sticker on the forks. From clutch cover wear looks like a few hours on it but has steering damper, new plastics etc. etc. Looks like a good one.

[Danger]

That must be AJ's 200 you've seen. He was finishing of getting it ready this week. Yeah new plastics, GPR steering damper, I've done the forks and the shock, good bike if thats the one you've seen? Has done a few hours but he does top end every 50 hours and has just put a new one in I think.

[Wellyman]

I found that the 01s were much more snappy than our bikes. nothing down low at all. My bike is like a 4 stroke in comparison!

Must be how slow you are goin eh cheese :P
WM