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Rainbow Wizard
5th February 2005, 11:53
Ever locked the keys in the car?

If you have remote activated locking and lock your keys in the car just call someone on your cell phone who has another set.
Hold your cell phone about a foot from your car door and have the other person hold the remote near their phone and press the unlock button and
your car will unlock.

Saves someone from having to drive your keys to you. You could be hundreds
of miles away and if you can reach someone who has the other remote for your car you can unlock the doors.

Editor's Note: It works fine! We tried and it unlocked our car over a cell phone! Neat tip.

Original source unknown

Jantar
5th February 2005, 11:57
Or a brick through the side window can be just as quick. :whistle:

Rainbow Wizard
5th February 2005, 12:17
Or a brick through the side window can be just as quick. :whistle:

Careful Jantar, people here may think such actions are typical of your approach. Reminds me of that joke how the pscho was treated for violent behaviour and the thereapists promised a wonderful bonus if the psycho learned the lesson. After they were hit by flying bricks as they walked away the psycho said "you won't forget now will ya".

Riff Raff
5th February 2005, 12:54
Hold your cell phone about a foot from your car door and have the other person hold the remote near their phone and press the unlock button and your car will unlock.
Damn I was bored enough at work to consider trying this. Rang home to tell my flatmate where my spare remote was, but the bugger is out. HOW RUDE!!!

Waylander
5th February 2005, 12:57
Have to get my mom to try this next time she is in town. She'll be callin Tauranga fo the other set, I wonder if it will work that far away.....

Blakamin
5th February 2005, 13:43
What a load of shite... how can it work???

the locks on my van are uhf and ya cant transmit over the phone!!!! FFS

IF *note: big if* it does work... can someone explain how????

Waylander
5th February 2005, 13:46
What a load of shite... how can it work???

the locks on my van are uhf and ya cant transmit over the phone!!!! FFS

IF *note: big if* it does work... can someone explain how????
Have'nt the slightest clue, but I don't plan on actually locking my moms keys in her car just locking the car and having her friend in tauranga press the button. we'll see how it works when she gets here tuesday or wensday.

Riff Raff
5th February 2005, 13:46
What a load of shite... how can it work???
the locks on my van are uhf and ya cant transmit over the phone!!!! FFS
IF *note: big if* it does work... can someone explain how????
Remember on Top Gear they did the thing with remote not working cos too far away, and then putting against head and it unlocked. I've tried that one and it works. Maybe your brain waves unscramble signals sent over the phone? Can anyone else please try it cos I need to know if it works!

Blakamin
5th February 2005, 14:02
Remember on Top Gear they did the thing with remote not working cos too far away, and then putting against head and it unlocked. I've tried that one and it works. Maybe your brain waves unscramble signals sent over the phone? Can anyone else please try it cos I need to know if it works!
brain electricity might act as antenna... phone wouldnt tho coz it broadcasts on its own frequency... my vodafone phone used to make the radar detector go nuts at times (mainly in the Hutt) till some fucker stole it... (gunna find the thievin c*nt oneday and feed him my speeding ticket!!!)

Skunk
5th February 2005, 14:09
What a load of shite... how can it work???

the locks on my van are uhf and ya cant transmit over the phone!!!! FFS

IF it does work... can someone explain how????I can only guess the microphone and speaker can pickup and transmit that freq.

I'll go test. (Walks away to talk to wife. Wanders around testing. He's coming back...)

Nope. It's a fail. Don't work with my Dynatron (top of the line model but same basic system as at the bottom of the range) and Nokia cellphone.

marty
5th February 2005, 14:14
worked at 1/2km with my new Mazda6 factory remote

Blakamin
5th February 2005, 14:21
I can only guess the microphone and speaker can pickup and transmit that freq.


If phones could do that, they'd be unlocking cars all over the show!!! FCC says phones can only transmit certain frequency...

Rainbow Wizard
6th February 2005, 13:46
If phones could do that, they'd be unlocking cars all over the show!!! FCC says phones can only transmit certain frequency...

Like softdrink bottles on your lawn stops dogs shitting on them!

Blakamin
6th February 2005, 14:20
Like softdrink bottles on your lawn stops dogs shitting on them!
:2thumbsup :2thumbsup
just tie the neighbors cat somewhere... then the dogs just run passed!

StoneChucker
6th February 2005, 14:34
:2thumbsup :2thumbsup
just tie the neighbors cat somewhere... then the dogs just run passed!
OR... cat gets the shit severly kicked out of it by said dogs :ar15:
hehe

Hitcher
6th February 2005, 17:29
Has anyone asked Snopes about this yet? Sounds decidedly dodgy to me. Particularly the "given" that you know somebody with exactly the same locks as yours...

Skunk
6th February 2005, 17:50
Has anyone asked Snopes about this yet? Sounds decidedly dodgy to me. Particularly the "given" that you know somebody with exactly the same locks as yours...Yep, False. Read it here. (http://www.snopes.com/autos/techno/keyless.asp)
Quote:" Relaying remote entry system signals via telephone might work if the signals were sound-based, but they're not. An RKE system transmits an encrypted data stream to a receiver inside the automobile via an RF (radio frequency) signal, a signal that can't be effectively relayed via cell phone. (In any event, RKE systems and cell phones typically operate on completely different frequencies; the former in the 300 MHz range and the latter in the 800 MHz range.)

We don't know whether whoever created this message was deliberately joking or earnestly mistaken, but the vision of stranded motorists vainly holding cell phones up to their cars in the hopes of unlocking them is an amusing one. One might as well suggest that a spare piano key could be used to gain entry to a locked automobile.

(More than a few people have inadvertently fooled themselves into believing the cell phone method of unlocking car doors actually works because they tried it and achieved the desired results — not realizing their cars were still within range of their keyless remote devices, and the signals that unlocked the doors were transmitted the usual way [i.e., through the air], not via cellular phone connections.) "

Biff
7th February 2005, 10:33
wotuttercrap!!!!!! unless youve got a really nasty, cheap DTMF (dual tone multiple frquency) alarm.

Biff
7th February 2005, 10:41
Remember on Top Gear they did the thing with remote not working cos too far away, and then putting against head and it unlocked. I've tried that one and it works. Maybe your brain waves unscramble signals sent over the phone? Can anyone else please try it cos I need to know if it works!

The cavity, your mouth acts as a passive amplifier in that the remote controls radio waves amplitude is slightly increased, in addition (thank Farraday for this) directional amplification is achieved thanks by the bones in your head (a bit like a directional antenna). So in other words you should try and face your car when you do this as youll get a more directional beam. If you turn away of to the sied, it may still work thanks to the RF "lobe", bu the main bean is pretty much straight in front of you.

The actual power increase (dBm or mV) is very small, but it can help just enough when your batteries on your remote are beginning to fail.

Blakamin
7th February 2005, 10:54
The cavity, your mouth acts as a passive amplifier in that the remote controls radio waves amplitude is slightly increased, in addition (thank Farraday for this) directional amplification is achieved thanks by the bones in your head (a bit like a directional antenna). So in other words you should try and face your car when you do this as youll get a more directional beam. If you turn away of to the sied, it may still work thanks to the RF "lobe", bu the main bean is pretty much straight in front of you.

The actual power increase (dBm or mV) is very small, but it can help just enough when your batteries on your remote are beginning to fail.
which is a tek-nickle way of saying what I said (almost).... fuck, maybe I'm not completely stupid after all!!!!

Biff
7th February 2005, 11:07
which is a tek-nickle way of saying what I said (almost).... fuck, maybe I'm not completely stupid after all!!!!

Yep, although I admit to not reading you post before I posted as I just though,"wot a load of bollox", upon reading the orignal thread. So yes, you're 99% right, apart from the brain electricity stuff.

I need to be careful when I start talking technical and spouting off cos the last time I did that I got into a lot of trouble as somebody thought I was being condescending and took a fence.

I wasn't - Im just more intelligent than everyone else here. :doctor:

Lou Girardin
7th February 2005, 15:23
It sounds like this works with non-rolling code remotes only. Pretty scarce these days.

F5 Dave
7th February 2005, 16:38
That’s not wot he said at all, rolling code is irrelevant (although highly desirable). The point is the cellphone isn’t retransmitting the signal in any way, all it would be passing is any audio noise (none anyway) through the speaker, which ain’t going to do jack.

More amusing is some early nasty alarms used infrared. Some guy at my old work bought an import with it.

Some clown bought a learning TV remote & gained access. Kept changing subtle things, moving the seat position, next day turn the radio way up, leaving chocolate wrappers. Had him flummoxed for days.

marty
7th February 2005, 17:00
maybe i've just got a REALLY strong remote.....

Blakamin
7th February 2005, 17:45
Some clown bought a learning TV remote & gained access. Kept changing subtle things, moving the seat position, next day turn the radio way up, leaving chocolate wrappers. Had him flummoxed for days.
:2thumbsup what a cool idea!!!


hey BIff, you aint smarter... just I cant be fucked :niceone:

Put my fence back where it was before my dog gets out!!!!

jase
7th February 2005, 18:23
Tried it, Didn't work.....was worth a try. :banana:

Skunk
7th February 2005, 18:45
Im just more intelligent than everyone else here.I'll bet you're modest, charming, handsome, rich, independent, and caring too. :yeah:

Waylander
7th February 2005, 18:48
I'll bet you're modest, charming, handsome, rich, independent, and caring too. :yeah:
I think he said that in a poem somewhere.....:kick:

soundbeltfarm
7th February 2005, 19:43
just tried it and it didnt work.
wouldve looked like a crim to people going past as i walked around the car holding the phone right up to it.

Skunk
7th February 2005, 20:12
Oh for crying out loud. Stop trying this people! Read the posts! :wari:
You're starting to look as stupid as I act.

Yep, It don't work... Read it here. (http://www.snopes.com/autos/techno/keyless.asp)

Quote:" Relaying remote entry system signals via telephone might work if the signals were sound-based, but they're not. An RKE system transmits an encrypted data stream to a receiver inside the automobile via an RF (radio frequency) signal, a signal that can't be effectively relayed via cell phone. (In any event, RKE systems and cell phones typically operate on completely different frequencies; the former in the 300 MHz range and the latter in the 800 MHz range.)"

Biff
7th February 2005, 22:09
I'll bet you're modest, charming, handsome, rich, independent, and caring too. :yeah:

We must have met for you to know me so well. Did you have a ginger curly perm?
:cool:

Biff
7th February 2005, 22:39
That’s not wot he said at all, rolling code is irrelevant (although highly desirable).

The point is the cellphone isn’t retransmitting the signal in any way, all it would be passing is any audio noise (none anyway) through the speaker, which ain’t going to do jack.
:yeah:


More amusing is some early nasty alarms used infrared. Some guy at my old work bought an import with it.

Some clown bought a learning TV remote & gained access. Kept changing subtle things, moving the seat position, next day turn the radio way up, leaving chocolate wrappers. Had him flummoxed for days.

Here's a geeky story for ya - I used to work for a very well known manufacturer of electronic widgets. I worked at a place that manufactured & developed their TV's, and as such had access to the companies Infra Red Code Book (IRCB). This is the infra red codes/language that this company employed to programme it's TV's, by infra red, during production. I.E press this button on the remote the channel changes, volume up.down for those buttons etc.

It also contained the codes for nastier things like - erase the TV's operating software, wiping the non volatile (permanent) memory chips.

Around this time I had a Casio wrist watch that could be programmed with infra red codes, it would "learn" codes. So I took a TV programming remote, squirted it at my Casio wristwatch which then stored the entire IRCB. This was useful as a lot of my job entailed fiddling with developmental TV's etc, so I often used my watch as a remote for the TV's.

Some time later I got ripped off by a certain major UK electrical store. Basically I bought something, it broke within a couple of weeks, they wouldn’t exchange it - or such like. So in a long drawn out period of retaliation I visited some of their major branches (but not the one I bought the faulty gear from) regularly, over a period of months, possibly even years. Every time I visited one of their stores I'd go straight to the TV section and discreetly fuck up every single TV (and a fair few other helectronical widgets that accepted an infra red command), in the shop. The only way they could fix these things was to send it back to said manufacturer for a "re-boot". Childish - yes. Geeky - hell yes
:2thumbsup

I could sell the film rights to this story - Revenge of the Geek?

Blakamin
8th February 2005, 00:43
:yeah:


. Childish - yes. Geeky - hell yes
:2thumbsup


Fuckin 'bout time the fuckers copped it?? HELL yes!!!!