Keep the Rimutaka Summit Cafe alive - sign the petition!

[Str8 Jacket]

I was up at the summit today and the cafe has re-opened, however the new owners are apparently fighting the council to stop them from demolishing both the cafe and toilets so they have a petition for people to sign to help them out.
The new people seem very friendly and want to make a go of it so if you're passing by or stopping up there, call in and sign the petition!!

[imne1]

interesting, I might even make a special trip there just to do that.
... any excuse for a ride will do.

[I'm motarded]

cheers for the info

thats a must do....

[Number One]

Far out - I'd sign the petition in support just to keep the toilets open - let alone the cafe! Seems a trip to the top is in order...hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Pedrostt500]

Dont get me wrong I like the Taka cafe, but to keep it going it needs to be somthing more than a weekend biker stop, its got to have someting more than what it has had in the past, it needs someting for the Tourists, the food needs to be well above average, as with the coffee, I can get average every where, I dont need to go out of my way for it.
yep its a great place to stop on the Bike, how many bikers actualy buy some thing there?, what is there that a car full of people will stop for 2pm on a wednesday afternoon, when the rain is falling down side ways?.
What I am trying to say is you need a good reason for the Public to stop there, and then you need somthing special for them to go back again and again, it needs to become a destination of its own right, not a transient quick stop over.
On a good day the view is awsome, there must be some good history about the place, with old photos.

[Number One]

Dont get me wrong I like the Taka cafe, but to keep it going it needs to be somthing more than a weekend biker stop, its got to have someting more than what it has had in the past, it needs someting for the Tourists, the food needs to be well above average, as with the coffee, I can get average every where, I dont need to go out of my way for it.
yep its a great place to stop on the Bike, how many bikers actualy buy some thing there?, what is there that a car full of people will stop for 2pm on a wednesday afternoon, when the rain is falling down side ways?.
What I am trying to say is you need a good reason for the Public to stop there, and then you need somthing special for them to go back again and again, it needs to become a destination of its own right, not a transient quick stop over.
On a good day the view is awsome, there must be some good history about the place, with old photos.
I find toilets are a good enough reason to stop there even without average or otherwise coffee :yes: Sucks that they weren't open.

[Quasi]

See the 1/4mile sprints in Featherston and make a stop on the top of the hill to sign the petition. Sunday 09 Murphys Line Featherston.

[Madness]

If they're back relying on the WW2 generator up there they're screwed. The other issue that has plagued the place for years goes by the name of Harry.

I wish anyone that tries to make a go up there all the best of luck. Whoever they are they'll need it.

[popelli]

maybe if more people spent money there a petition would not be necessary

[Hitcher]

I was up at the summit today and the cafe has re-opened, however the new owners are apparently fighting the council to stop them from demolishing both the cafe and toilets so they have a petition for people to sign to help them out.
The new people seem very friendly and want to make a go of it so if you're passing by or stopping up there, call in and sign the petition!!

The Greater Wellington Regional Council has decided to demolish the Summit cafe and toilets. This matter has been running since 2005 with the license holder having been unsuccessful/unable to provide a business plan that could demonstrate that that venture would stand any chance of success. The number of operators in the Summit Cafe over that time is grim testimony to that. The facilities up there should be demolished by Christmas. The petition is pointless.

[Number One]

The petition is pointless.
oh well - guess I won't bother riding the hill to sign it ;)

[Trudes]

But but but.... my riding scares the shit out of me and I need a toilet stop by the time I get to the top, bring back the loos, "Am I ever going to see the loo again? Bring back, bring back the loo":banana:

[jafar]

The Greater Wellington Regional Council has decided to demolish the Summit cafe and toilets. This matter has been running since 2005 with the license holder having been unsuccessful/unable to provide a business plan that could demonstrate that that venture would stand any chance of success. The number of operators in the Summit Cafe over that time is grim testimony to that. The facilities up there should be demolished by Christmas. The petition is pointless.

Sounds like an enterprising local could set up s pie cart there & clean up :clap:

[James Deuce]

Sounds like an enterprising local could set up s pie cart there & clean up :clap:
One can stick one's pie cart up one's bum.

A Fuel Coffee cart with attendant portaloo would be a goer though.

[jafar]

One can stick one's pie cart up one's bum.

A Fuel Coffee cart with attendant portaloo would be a goer though.

Or a fuel tanker with coffee to go & a topless attendant for the portaloo :wari:

Will be a sad day when they demolish the old cafe though, it has been there for ever.
The dunny was never open so no loss there

[James Deuce]

I like your idea but the topless part of the equation needs to be implemented with care. A topless Fatjim doesn't bear thinking about.

[jafar]

A topless Fatjim doesn't bear thinking about.

& I had enjoyed dinner tonight too:sick:

[jrandom]

Y'know, the one time I rode through there, it seemed like a pretty silly place to put a cafe.

There's not even much of a view to stop and look at. One hill looks much like the next hey.

[Storm]

One can stick one's pie cart up one's bum.

A Fuel Coffee cart with attendant portaloo would be a goer though.

So pies for the fat buggers, and coffee for all you overstressed IT cubicle dwellers, and you'd be minting it!!

With a flash dunny for the ladies and you'll be a local institution in no time

[gammaguy]

its a shame theyre demolishing it.when i lived in Welly back in the eighties it was a must do for us on a saturday or sunday,a blast up the 'Takas and a feed at the top.The best people ever were Wally and Averil(wonder where they are now??)they used to always have a roaring fire going in winter and the food was "down home style"and good value.(no espresso coffee tho,it was filter:cool:)

over the years i have travelled over there countless times even tho i now live in the mainland i still go over there at least ten times a year and i have seen the slow decline of the place.I think it has been given lots of chances to be successful but the geography,power issues and lots of other factors seem to have conspired against it.

It will be a shame to see it go,it wont feel right to go "round the corner"at the top instead of stopping for a coffee.

maybe i will pop over there soon for a last look at the place.:(sniff.

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[duckonin]

The cafe at the top top of the takas many years back did a good trade it almost took a car an hour from Upper hutt to the top and most were ready for a stop, the days when a fast car could do 45 miles an hour and needed a tune up before taking off from Lower Hutt, and a fast bike 100mph..Come the Tauherenikau race days you could never stop at the top unless u were lucky, as the area was full of cars and people

[Trudes]

Well i know some older folks who can't go more than about an hour without a cuppa tea and a piddle, think of the old folks!!

[my-bonaventure]

Even when the kids were young it was a mandatory stop at the top of the Hill for the Cafe and the toilets :Punk:

[crazefox]

fuck the toilets just piss ya pants. I do every time i get on a bike so why cant you guys???????:headbang::headbang:

[MIXONE]

Well i know some older folks who can't go more than about an hour without a cuppa tea and a piddle, think of the old folks!!

Thank god someone is thinking of me.:niceone:

[Bren]

Thank god someone is thinking of me.:niceone:

my sentiments too.....

[calmone]

The cafe at the top top of the takas many years back did a good trade it almost took a car an hour from Upper hutt to the top and most were ready for a stop, the days when a fast car could do 45 miles an hour and needed a tune up before taking off from Lower Hutt, and a fast bike 100mph..Come the Tauherenikau race days you could never stop at the top unless u were lucky, as the area was full of cars and people

I agree.
I can remember in the 50s as a kid the carpark full of overheating cars, the toilets smelly and always full, and the very limited food choice in the cafe. The last time I stopped there a few years ago apart from the overheating cars nothing had changed.

[Trudes]

You forgot all the ciggie butts and the occasional pool of spew!

[Number One]

Well i know some older folks who can't go more than about an hour without a cuppa tea and a piddle, think of the old folks!!

I'm not really old but I have had a baby...and pelvic floor muscle exercises don't work complete miracles!



You forgot all the ciggie butts and the occasional pool of spew!

Oh yes not to mention the seemingly freshly used condoms :puke:

[jafar]

fuck the toilets just piss ya pants. I do every time i get on a bike so why cant you guys???????:headbang::headbang:

Change your brake fluid & get shaun to do your suspension & that little problem should go away :niceone:



Depends is your friend :bleh:

[Kendog]

This story is going to be on One news tonight.

[Trudes]

Didn't see any bikes there, but the honorable mention of LB counting toilet goers was cool!

[Fatt Max]

Just seen that on the 6 o'clock news. Its a real shame how short sighted some coucils can be.
They reckon no-one stopped but that bike club lady noted something like 669 cars in one weekend.
I'm in Auckland but of there is an on line petition then I'm in.
These things really do get right up my hooter, f*****g councils!

[James Deuce]

Just seen that on the 6 o'clock news. Its a real shame how short sighted some coucils can be.
They reckon no-one stopped but that bike club lady noted something like 669 cars in one weekend.
I'm in Auckland but of there is an on line petition then I'm in.
These things really do get right up my hooter, f*****g councils!

Short sighted? It costs the GWRC in excess of $20k a year to keep that thing open. There's no water and no power to the site, and the place runs at a loss. Why should my rates pay for someone else's failed business? We prop up enough useless stuff as it is. I've spent about $4.50 there in the last 15 years. The thing most likely to give you food poisoning in NZ is a cold pie. That place specialises in them

They put a windmill in to provide electricity and it was re-possessed. They were asked to clean the toilets and refused. They've been asked to provide a business plan that demonstrates they can start making money and at least pay something toward site upkeep but can't. The GWRC isn't a charity for quaint and unpleasant country cafes. The car park will still be there, so people will have somewhere to throw up and make babies, same as always.

[Katman]

Short sighted? It costs the GWRC in excess of $20k a year to keep that thing open. There's no water and no power to the site, and the place runs at a loss. Why should my rates pay for someone else's failed business? We prop up enough useless stuff as it is. I've spent about $4.50 there in the last 15 years. The thing most likely to give you food poisoning in NZ is a cold pie. That place specialises in them

They put a windmill in to provide electricity and it was re-possessed. They were asked to clean the toilets and refused. They've been asked to provide a business plan that demonstrates they can start making money and at least pay something toward site upkeep but can't. The GWRC isn't a charity for quaint and unpleasant country cafes. The car park will still be there, so people will have somewhere to throw up and make babies, same as always.

I saw the article on the news and thought "how sad".

Thanks for returning me to reality Jim.

[Fatt Max]

Short sighted? It costs the GWRC in excess of $20k a year to keep that thing open. There's no water and no power to the site, and the place runs at a loss. Why should my rates pay for someone else's failed business? We prop up enough useless stuff as it is. I've spent about $4.50 there in the last 15 years. The thing most likely to give you food poisoning in NZ is a cold pie. That place specialises in them

They put a windmill in to provide electricity and it was re-possessed. They were asked to clean the toilets and refused. They've been asked to provide a business plan that demonstrates they can start making money and at least pay something toward site upkeep but can't. The GWRC isn't a charity for quaint and unpleasant country cafes. The car park will still be there, so people will have somewhere to throw up and make babies, same as always.

Fair comment, you can see I'm not a local and dont know the history etc etc.

Once again a possible victim of sensational journalism, well done TVNZ. But let's face it, some councils can make the blood boil.

Do poeple throw up while they are making babies or afterwards...?

[James Deuce]

Do poeple throw up while they are making babies or afterwards...?

You've not seen Upper Hutt chickies, have you?

[Paul in NZ]

I saw the article on the news and thought "how sad".

Thanks for returning me to reality Jim.

Yup - he is a regular ray of sunshine....

On the other hand - where else would you find a cafe with a telescope that does not work... Its ART man....

[Ocean1]

Short sighted? It costs the GWRC in excess of $20k a year to keep that thing open. There's no water and no power to the site, and the place runs at a loss. Why should my rates pay for someone else's failed business? We prop up enough useless stuff as it is. I've spent about $4.50 there in the last 15 years. The thing most likely to give you food poisoning in NZ is a cold pie. That place specialises in them.

Why single out that enterprise? most other public service enterprises return not a penny.


Oh, and custard squares FTW.

[James Deuce]

They do. They pay rates.

Custard Square with a dead fly in the middle FTW.

[Ocean1]

True that. OK, ban all unprofitable public institutions forthwith.

And there's ought wrong with fly cemetaries.

[James Deuce]

True that. OK, ban all unprofitable public institutions forthwith.

And there's ought wrong with fly cemetaries.

Gahh! It's like trying to have a dialogue with Suet Pudding.

[Ocean1]

Gahh! It's like trying to have a dialogue with Suet Pudding.

Hey! I didn't start the menu crtiique!

Take it as a general rant about value returned for my rates bill eh?

[jafar]

True that. OK, ban all unprofitable public institutions forthwith..

Starting with the gubbermint & working our way down to ??


And there's ought wrong with fly cemetaries.



:love: fly cemetaries, do they still ave em down there ?:Offtopic:

[Ocean1]

Starting with the gubbermint & working our way down to ??

We need gubbermint. To maintain public toilets.


:love: fly cemetaries, do they still ave em down there ?:Offtopic:

Now that you mention it I haven't seen one for years. Nice though, wiv flakey pastry and almond icing. :drool:

[jafar]

We need gubbermint. To maintain public toilets.

Nup thats council that do that.




Now that you mention it I haven't seen one for years. Nice though, wiv flakey pastry and almond icing. :drool:

Me either, they were always a favourite. :innocent:mmmm flakey pastry:love:
They used o have them made with a shortening pastry or a biscuity pastry & icing sugar sprinkled on the top , they were the :shit:
Mabey they ran low on flies :confused:

[Ocean1]

Nup thats council that do that.

Nit pickin'.

What I was trying to articulate *via a mild haze of duty free black label* is that I'm fookin' sick of people taking my money without asking, to supply services I didn't want.

And then the bastards don't supply the services they said they would anyway.


Me either, they were always a favourite. :innocent:mmmm flakey pastry:love:
They used o have them made with a shortening pastry or a biscuity pastry & icing sugar sprinkled on the top , they were the :shit:
Mabey they ran low on flies :confused:

Te flies all emigrated to English motorway cafes. Fooked if I know why, they can't survive on much there. Sausage rolls consisting of damp cardboard tubes filled with floor sweepings from the local bakery, a single lump of gristle and pink food colouring. S'true, you could squish 'em with yer fork and pink watery fat would ooze out. Utterly inedible.

Not to mention the cheese sandwitches. Made in bulk the week before and carefully dried until the corners rolled up, the cheese a closely specified blend that managed to both sweat grease and nonetheless crumble to dust. Artlessly presented on a grubby tissue, they exploded into tiny crumbs on contact with the teeth.

[gammaguy]

which is why,when people are deciding where to go out for dinner,NO -ONE says"lets eat english tonight":sick::sick:

[jafar]

Nit pickin'.

What I was trying to articulate *via a mild haze of duty free black label* is that I'm fookin' sick of people taking my money without asking, to supply services I didn't want.

And then the bastards don't supply the services they said they would anyway..

I agree with you. Legalised theft :2guns:


Te flies all emigrated to English motorway cafes. Fooked if I know why, they can't survive on much there. Sausage rolls consisting of damp cardboard tubes filled with floor sweepings from the local bakery, a single lump of gristle and pink food colouring. S'true, you could squish 'em with yer fork and pink watery fat would ooze out. Utterly inedible.

Not to mention the cheese sandwitches. Made in bulk the week before and carefully dried until the corners rolled up, the cheese a closely specified blend that managed to both sweat grease and nonetheless crumble to dust. Artlessly presented on a grubby tissue, they exploded into tiny crumbs on contact with the teeth.

Can't vote with your feet on that one aye, <_<


which is why,when people are deciding where to go out for dinner,NO -ONE says"lets eat english tonight":sick::sick:

Sure they do..... Curry anyone :sick:

[Hitcher]

Don't forget that the cafe license-holder has had since 2005 to demonstrate the viability of this business. I think that three years is plenty long enough.

And one wonders seriously about the mental health of anybody who wants to live at the summit of the Rimutakas so as to lose money hand over fist and to clean up the misdirected poos and wees of the travelling public.

[gammaguy]

.....and being a "biker"isnt enough either,i remember a few years back when the owner was definitely a bike guy,but the food and coffee was still terrible.

perhaps someone needs to investigate wether starbucks would like to open a franchise there?:laugh:

[James Deuce]

.....and being a "biker"isnt enough either,i remember a few years back when the owner was definitely a bike guy,but the food and coffee was still terrible.

perhaps someone needs to investigate wether starbucks would like to open a franchise there?:laugh:
Why? They don't make coffee and they have horrible food.

[gammaguy]

Why? They don't make coffee and they have horrible food.

my point exactly.but they do have toilets and electricity.:woohoo:

[James Deuce]

my point exactly.but they do have toilets and electricity.:woohoo:

Not up there they won't.

[gammaguy]

ive got it!!

a wellington motorcycles/mc cafe combo:dodge:

[Hitcher]

perhaps someone needs to investigate wether starbucks would like to open a franchise there?

If it was possible to run a commercially viable business atop the Rimutakas, this whole sad and sorry saga would not be an issue. Selling three cans of coke and half a dozen hot pies to bikers on a Sunday is not a recipe for financial success.

[davebullet]

I'd prefer the whole lot be demolished so that you can enjoy a pristine view with as little human construction to get in the way. It is an eyesore that should just be replaced with native plants / bush.

That also means removing the toilet too. I mean, it is only 1/2 an hour between Rimutex and Featherston for most - not long to "hang on" for. (or 1 hour for me! ;)

[coffeejunkie]

I've lived in the wellington area my whole life and no matter who has the summit cafe it's always been the same, Bad coffee and food, LOL, The thing is tho the people over the years have always been freindly enough, The boys that had it last were cool. Fireplace, Mags, Tv, Playstation, Drums and even better they were bike friendly people, I personally don't think it matters who hs it as long as there's something to wet your whistle and somewhere to pee, The amount of bikes alone that stop there over the summer is reason enough to keep it open so come on people sign the petition, If not for yourself but for the others who do stop, :stupid:

[scorpious]

Far out - I'd sign the petition in support just to keep the toilets open - let alone the cafe!

ahhhh.......its great being a male!! :innocent:

[Insanity_rules]

ahhhh.......its great being a male!! :innocent:

I concur, the world can be your bathroom! Sad to see the cafe go though. It was always a good place to stop if the weather closed in on the ride home.

[Number One]

ahhhh.......its great being a male!! :innocent:
Skite!

I have heard though that the ladies can go for the shee wee and also enjoy the standing go anywhere experience

[Pussy]

Skite!

I have heard though that the ladies can go for the shee wee and also enjoy the standing go anywhere experience

Pix please! :rolleyes:

[Number One]

Pix please! :rolleyes:
:crazy: :puke: ummm NO definitely not

[sweetp]

I had known for a while that the council was considering this but then read in the paper that they had decided to knock the buildings down. So sent a snarky email away and got this in reply:

The future of the toilets and the tearooms has been an issue of much debate for the Council. Both the tearooms and the toilets rely on each other for utilities on the site (power and water), and to make both operations independent of each other is a very expensive exercise.
Recent history of the tearooms’ operation has shown that an operation of this kind up there is problematic and not economically viable, and a proposal to continue operating the tearooms by the current licensee will not, in the Council’s view, solve those inherent problems. Without the tearoom’s operation we would have a major problem with vandalism of the toilets, hence the decision to close it.
Therefore, the decision to decommission the site was one that was made out of necessity. I acknowledge that there may well be people that would like to retain a toilet or tearooms facility up there and who would use it. However, it would be a very time consuming and costly exercise to do so and it is this Council’s view that those costs do not outweigh the benefits of decommissioning the site.
Yours sincerely ,
Murray Waititi
Manager, Parks
Greater Wellington Regional Council

[The Baron]

Thanks for that sweetp. The fact is that the area will be used as a toilet with or without the building. Is that what they want.

[BALZYBUELL]

oh man thats shit that its going to be knocked down,not much to say really.fuk'rs

[sweetp]

Yeah, and what really sucks as the cafe has new leaseholders and they have invested $50K into upgrading. The council gave them the standard 3 min to have their say at the meeting before deciding to knock it all down.

[Str8 Jacket]

Yeah, and what really sucks as the cafe has new leaseholders and they have invested $50K into upgrading. The council gave them the standard 3 min to have their say at the meeting before deciding to knock it all down.

Bugger. They'll be regretting that, unfortunately though, if they knew that it was very likely going to be demolished and invested that money before the final decision was made then it was the risk they chose to take. Feel for them though.
Rimutex may have to get another loo..... :whistle:

[NZsarge]

Well I don't care what kind of logic or spin you put on it as to wether it should be there or not, I think it was quite a handy facility to have there and more than once i've had lunch there during a ride down to the region, I think it's a shame it's going and i'll miss it even though I don't get down there all that much.

[James Deuce]

Yeah, and what really sucks as the cafe has new leaseholders and they have invested $50K into upgrading. The council gave them the standard 3 min to have their say at the meeting before deciding to knock it all down.


They've had 3 years to come up with a business plan, not 3 minutes.

[Headbanger]

Waste of 50k,Should have spent 30 of it on a holiday and invested the rest in a flash harry coffee cart.

At the very least it might have improved the coffee.

As far as the toilets are concerned, any section of road is a toilet.

And the girls should be in a kitchen,which is only a short walk to a toilet.


Its the balance of nature.

[Thunder 8]

I had known for a while that the council was considering this but then read in the paper that they had decided to knock the buildings down. So sent a snarky email away and got this in reply:

The future of the toilets and the tearooms has been an issue of much debate for the Council. Both the tearooms and the toilets rely on each other for utilities on the site (power and water), and to make both operations independent of each other is a very expensive exercise.
Recent history of the tearooms’ operation has shown that an operation of this kind up there is problematic and not economically viable, and a proposal to continue operating the tearooms by the current licensee will not, in the Council’s view, solve those inherent problems. Without the tearoom’s operation we would have a major problem with vandalism of the toilets, hence the decision to close it.
Therefore, the decision to decommission the site was one that was made out of necessity. I acknowledge that there may well be people that would like to retain a toilet or tearooms facility up there and who would use it. However, it would be a very time consuming and costly exercise to do so and it is this Council’s view that those costs do not outweigh the benefits of decommissioning the site.
Yours sincerely ,
Murray Waititi
Manager, Parks
Greater Wellington Regional Council

:devil2:Sorry couldnt help myself.

The future of the toilets and the tearooms has been an issue of no interest for the Council. Both the tearooms and the toilets rely on each other for utilities on the site (power and water), and to make both operations independent of each other would be so easy its ridiculous.
Recent history of the tearooms’ operation has shown that an operation of this kind up there is a great idea and if the council got off its ass and got power up there , and a proposal to continue operating the tearooms by the current licensee it will solve those non existent problems. Without the tearoom’s operation we would have a major problem with vandalism of the toilets, hence it should be left there..
Therefore, the decision to decommission the site was one that was made with no thought or care and although there are many people that would like to retain a toilet or tearooms facility up there and who would use it, they can go to hell.It would cost bugger all in the scheme of things to keep this landmark site going but it is this Council’s view that dam the small people and full steam (roller)ahead "down she comes".:shit:
Yours INsincerely ,
Murray Waititi
Manager, Parks
Greater Wellington Regional Council

[Jiminy]

ive got it!!

a wellington motorcycles/mc cafe combo:dodge:


If it was possible to run a commercially viable business atop the Rimutakas, this whole sad and sorry saga would not be an issue.

Now here is a great idea. Add a bit of red and white paintings inside those corners, a few wind or solar powered cameras along the road, a couple of sceens in the cafe with full replay and a video editing facility, a coin-operated chronometer at the bottom of the hill on each side, sell the best videos at the top, and voila!

You might get in trouble with the :Police:, though!

I wonder why no one thought of this business case... :whistle:

[smoky]

I'd prefer the whole lot be demolished so that you can enjoy a pristine view with as little human construction to get in the way. It is an eyesore that should just be replaced with native plants / bush.

That also means removing the toilet too. I mean, it is only 1/2 an hour between Rimutex and Featherston for most - not long to "hang on" for. (or 1 hour for me! ;)

Even without the cafe - Where's the pristine view???? Just because you're up high don't mean the view is worth it - honestly don't tell me you lot down there are so surrounded by scrub and eroded hills that you now think that's a pristine view?
Fantastic road – I agree
Pristine View – hardly
Good café – far from it

[Hitcher]

Yeah, and what really sucks as the cafe has new leaseholders and they have invested $50K into upgrading. The council gave them the standard 3 min to have their say at the meeting before deciding to knock it all down.

Utter and errant nonsense. There is a difference between the license holder and the "operator". They're not the same people. The license holder is the person who benefits both from an operating fee provided by the Council and from rents paid to him by the operators. This has been a reasonably significant sum. The license holder needs to be held accountable for misleading a string of operators into investing in a fundamentally flawed business. The operator's target for any recompense should be the license holder, not the Regional Council. Council has been accommodating on this matter for over three years. They are, after all, accountable for sensible spending of ratepayer funds.

[davebullet]

Even without the cafe - Where's the pristine view???? Just because you're up high don't mean the view is worth it - honestly don't tell me you lot down there are so surrounded by scrub and eroded hills that you now think that's a pristine view?
Fantastic road – I agree
Pristine View – hardly
Good café – far from it

pristine: adjective
1. having its original purity; uncorrupted or unsullied.
2. of or pertaining to the earliest period or state; primitive.

Pristine doesn't equal what I think it should look like, nor what you think it should look like. Exactly what I meant. If that is ugly, NZ native (or English introduced gorse) - so be it.

David.

[smoky]

pristine: adjective
1. having its original purity; uncorrupted or unsullied.
2. of or pertaining to the earliest period or state; primitive.

Pristine doesn't equal what I think it should look like, nor what you think it should look like. Exactly what I meant. If that is ugly, NZ native (or English introduced gorse) - so be it.


So what's your point???
Of course it's not pristine, it doesn't even meet your own 'dictonary' interpretation of prestine!! So what's your point?

[davebullet]

So what's your point???
Of course it's not pristine, it doesn't even meet your own 'dictonary' interpretation of prestine!! So what's your point?

Remove the cafe and toilet and restore that part of the hill back to its natural state. Just a bike park, preferably with lots of narrow gapped posts so only bikes can manoeuvre and park there (no cars).