dom post, pigs, a conspiracy?

[mikey]

note : this is not necesarily (sp?) a wind up :2thumbsup

in the last few days there have been front page articles in the dom post going on about police negligence in relation to 111 calls, with revenue gathering taking precedence.


WHICH IS FUCKING SHOCKING YA LAZY FUCKERS!!!!!!!

but for last few months i have only seen one positive article about police, wihch were some new recruits all smiling an so on.... just they wait until they have been to a few accidents is say, then they wont be smiling but.......


WHAT HAVE THE COPPERS DONE TO FUCK OFF DOM POST?

was it another pack rape? the editors/owners daughter or something?

who does own it? anyone.....

or did they give the (editor/owner or someone close to them) a ticket for speeding at 11ks over the limit? when there were perfectly good things for policemen to be doing like attending 111 call outs????


or is there a deeper conspiracy?

anyone/......//...//..//../....


back in a sec, need to get beers



[edit] everyone see that shiny green box up there, the light has finally tunred green! most annoying i think, got knocked off bad ass list... damm knight rider or should i say the alter ego of a certain person who works at ,.......

[Deano]

Don't rely on the media too much there Mikey.

One example I didn't like was when that light plane crashed recently. It was a fatal crash and obviously upsetting for families and friends of the deceased, yet the media show footage of two cops standing about smiling and laughing.

What are they trying to do ? I doubt very much that the cops were laughing about the fatalities, but the image the media portrayed suggested they were.

And on another note - you have a big mouth mate !!

[scumdog]

Don't worry, it's a nation-wide thing - neg. reps. for police from all media (and the WINJA/Aaron/mikey etc seem to back them up at times) :spudwhat:

Not trying to claw your way back out of the abyss are you mikey? or has common sense and logic taken place? - anyway it's the best posting from you yet! :2thumbsup

[Skunk]

The media will only (inaccurately) report the worst of any organisation.
When was the last time you saw a front article about CYPS (is that right?) doing something right? Cos they do - a lot.

But it doesn't sell papers eh?

Sensationalise it.
Paint it black.
Print it.
Sell it.

BTW Dom Post is owned by Fairfax (offshore) I believe.

[Coyote]

You hate the media? You have to watch Outfoxed. Bloody brilliant doco :niceone: Don't know where you get it from :spudwhat:

[Marmoot]

heh.....I was beginning to wonder about this today.
It's been 3 days since the issue surfaced on teletext, but I haven't seen any topics talked about this until today.

Lou has been a bit lazy lately? Declining work performance? Or he picked up a new hobby?

:sunny:

[Blakamin]

Dom Post is owned by the same guy that owns Fox.. Rupert Murdoch... an aussie in london/america that really couldnt give a fuck about NZ (or Aussie anymore)... it the editor that is the culprit....

[WINJA]

note : this is not necesarily (sp?) a wind up :2thumbsup

in the last few days there have been front page articles in the dom post going on about police negligence in relation to 111 calls, with revenue gathering taking precedence.


WHICH IS FUCKING SHOCKING YA LAZY FUCKERS!!!!!!!

but for last few months i have only seen one positive article about police, wihch were some new recruits all smiling an so on.... just they wait until they have been to a few accidents is say, then they wont be smiling but.......


WHAT HAVE THE COPPERS DONE TO FUCK OFF DOM POST?

was it another pack rape? the editors/owners daughter or something?

who does own it? anyone.....

or did they give the (editor/owner or someone close to them) a ticket for speeding at 11ks over the limit? when there were perfectly good things for policemen to be doing like attending 111 call outs????


or is there a deeper conspiracy?

anyone/......//...//..//../....


back in a sec, need to get beers



[edit] everyone see that shiny green box up there, the light has finally tunred green! most annoying i think, got knocked off bad ass list... damm knight rider or should i say the alter ego of a certain person who works at ,.......
SOUNDS LIKE A QUALITY PAPER , THEY PROBABLY DECIDED TO PRINT THE TRUTH

[dhunt]

Media only publicise bad News cause good news doesn't make good news. This isn't just truth for :Police: related matters but in general.

[onearmedbandit]

Okay okay, but is there any truth in what they, and other papers are printing? The Press reported a case where a 2yr old had been abducted and an officer radioed for back-up but was informed the only 3 units available were on traffic duties and not listening to their radios. Sure they were traffic units but surely a case of child abduction is more important than traffic fines? The arguement was that as the traffic units are funded by LTSA they have to focus on traffic matters only.

[Jackrat]

The management are making the front line look bad an the two faced,one eyed media are milking it for all their worth.
Seeing as how their not worth much they'd probably go away if we all just ignored them.Their so full of shit you couldn't wipe your arse with their rag without making things worse.
IMHO :yeah:

[Blakamin]

SOUNDS LIKE A QUALITY PAPER , THEY PROBABLY DECIDED TO PRINT THE TRUTH
and you sound up to form... wanna give it a rest?

[Blakamin]

Okay okay, but is there any truth in what they, and other papers are printing? The Press reported a case where a 2yr old had been abducted and an officer radioed for back-up but was informed the only 3 units available were on traffic duties and not listening to their radios. Sure they were traffic units but surely a case of child abduction is more important than traffic fines? The arguement was that as the traffic units are funded by LTSA they have to focus on traffic matters only.
I agree totally with ya there OAB... if we are gunna have HP, why dont we go back to havin MoT????
shouldn't all Police be just Police??


my thoughts any way... I mean, if someone is HP and can't take prints or answer a burg call... whats the point!

[jimbo600]

I can remember when some dude in Chch lost a family member. He then went nutty in Chch brandishing a firearm. AOS were called in and had no option but to brass him up. It was probably a successful suicide attempt by the deceased. The Chch press' headline was "Police shoot grieving father." The old cops are damned if they do and damned if they don't. George Hawkins is the twat responsible for the 111 debacle.

Saw a good headline the other day too. "Tsunami washes up UFO"

No bullshit.

[Blakamin]

I can remember when some dude in Chch lost a family member. He then went nutty in Chch brandishing a firearm. AOS were called in and had no option but to brass him up. It was probably a successful suicide attempt by the deceased. The Chch press' headline was "Police shoot grieving father." The old cops are damned if they do and damned if they don't. George Hawkins is the twat responsible for the 111 debacle.

Saw a good headline the other day too. "Tsunami washes up UFO"

No bullshit.
"suicide by police" is so close to being an actual cause of death, it's not funny...

[Skunk]

Reporters can't get a story straight. Let me tell ya a story...
Riding to Greymouth for the street races one Friday one of us crashed near the Pancake Rocks. Broke his collarbone.
The newspaper report: A racer crashed on Saturday during the racing breaking his collarbone.

Close.

[WINJA]

and you sound up to form... wanna give it a rest?
MY OPINION YOUR A SHIT MODERATOR

[Blakamin]

MY OPINION YOUR A SHIT MODERATOR
I dont really give a fuck what you think... I'm gettin sick of asking people to stop the name calling...
sin bin from here on in... for any name calling shit

[Skunk]

sin bin from here on in... for any name calling shit :banana: :apint:

[mikey]

Not trying to claw your way back out of the abyss are you mikey? or has common sense and logic taken place? - anyway it's the best posting from you yet! :2thumbsup

no no no nothing of the sort, all though people have started giving me good rep points....i prefer red ones though, they are a scarcity, look at how hard you would have to work to beat hitcher, an all you have to do to get top bad ass is spout off some cop chases an says you wills scrap any cunt ewtc etc

the whole 111 call / HP cars sitting few ks down road but busy revenue collecting / or send a taxi thing, is getting a bit old, you would think they would come up with something new. isnt that what news is, to sensationalise something new? not play the same shit over an over,

[edit]

an after thought. its all the same shit anyway
the same america democaracising* the world whether countries want it or not
a few burglaries rapes homicides an suicides
same war going on in the holy lands over some guy who got nailed to a cross.... an i story book that is worlds biggest seller an causer of many wars"

*mikeyism for spreading of democracy spelt wrong

a cartoon in the paper about this / lame chit chat on tv in between stories

an then some weather which invariably chages

an then the """SPPOOORTTTT"" (could you tell i got excited about that) which takes most of the nation away from their dull routines as they root an cheer for their ""TEAM"" where people try an get a ball of some sort over a line, goal hoop or so on


ahhh get me a beer :apint: this shit is depressing

thanks helen for paying for my beer :2thumbsup

[jimbo600]

no no no nothing of the sort, all though people have started giving me good rep points....i prefer red ones though, they are a scarcity, look at how hard you would have to work to beat hitcher, an all you have to do to get top bad ass is spout off some cop chases an says you wills scrap any cunt ewtc etc

the whole 111 call / HP cars sitting few ks down road but busy revenue collecting / or send a taxi thing, is getting a bit old, you would think they would come up with something new. isnt that what news is, to sensationalise something new? not play the same shit over an over,

[edit]

an after thought. its all the same shit anyway
the same america democaracising* the world whether countries want it or not
a few burglaries rapes homicides an suicides
same war going on in the holy lands over some guy who got nailed to a cross.... an i story book that is worlds biggest seller an causer of many wars"

*mikeyism for spreading of democracy spelt wrong

a cartoon in the paper about this / lame chit chat on tv in between stories

an then some weather which invariably chages

an then the """SPPOOORTTTT"" (could you tell i got excited about that) which takes most of the nation away from their dull routines as they root an cheer for their ""TEAM"" where people try an get a ball of some sort over a line, goal hoop or so on


ahhh get me a beer :apint: this shit is depressing

thanks helen for paying for my beer :2thumbsup

Steady on mate. Soon you'll be the most reputable member. Or a moderator even.

Got that screen on yer bike yet?

[Skunk]

no no no nothing of the sort, all though people have started giving me good rep points....
<snip>
thanks helen for paying for my beer :2thumbsupGeezes mikey! Settle down. Ya starting to make sense. :lol:

Hey - is that you at "Area 51" in Fitzpatrick... and have ya sorted ya fuel tap?

[spudchucka]

note : this is not necesarily (sp?) a wind up :2thumbsup

in the last few days there have been front page articles in the dom post going on about police negligence in relation to 111 calls, with revenue gathering taking precedence.


WHICH IS FUCKING SHOCKING YA LAZY FUCKERS!!!!!!!

but for last few months i have only seen one positive article about police, wihch were some new recruits all smiling an so on.... just they wait until they have been to a few accidents is say, then they wont be smiling but.......
This says more about the newspaper industry than it does about the police.

[spudchucka]

or did they give the (editor/owner or someone close to them) a ticket for speeding at 11ks over the limit? when there were perfectly good things for policemen to be doing like attending 111 call outs????


or is there a deeper conspiracy?

anyone/......//...//..//../....
For your information.

http://www.nzpa.org.nz/


SLOWER RESPONSE TIMES FOR PRIORITY ONE CALLS SHOWS CLEAR NEED FOR MORE FRONTLINE POLICE AND FOCUS ON ADEQUATE RESOURCES

“The slower response times for Priority One calls shows a clear need for more frontline police and a focus on adequate resources for that area,” Association Vice-President, Richard Middleton said today

Mr Middleton was responding to the statement from the Minister of Police yesterday that Police response times are slower than target times set.

“We know our frontline Police do their difficult community job well with the resources that they have. However most, if not all, additional funding in recent years has been tagged to specific areas and frontline police numbers have been ignored with staff continuously robbed for other initiatives,” said Mr Middleton.

Mr Middleton said, “In Australia they have 1 Police officer to every 461 Australians. In the UK & Wales the ratio is about 1 to every 406 people and in the USA their ratio is about 1 to every 432 people. Here in NZ, we have one of the lowest numbers of Sworn Police to Population in the English-speaking world, with 1 officer to every 543 New Zealanders.*

“NZ would require another 1300 police officers, just to come up to Australia’s ratio.”

“The Government needs to invest some of that budget surplus in increasing general frontline Police numbers and improving their resources,” said Mr Middleton. “If they do this, then the Police will be better able to respond to all calls, not just those that are Priority One and the NZ public will feel safer.”

[spudchucka]

Okay okay, but is there any truth in what they, and other papers are printing? The Press reported a case where a 2yr old had been abducted and an officer radioed for back-up but was informed the only 3 units available were on traffic duties and not listening to their radios. Sure they were traffic units but surely a case of child abduction is more important than traffic fines? The arguement was that as the traffic units are funded by LTSA they have to focus on traffic matters only.
In my experience when a child goes missing absolutely every unit in the area gets involved. I can't speak for other districts though.

[spudchucka]

I agree totally with ya there OAB... if we are gunna have HP, why dont we go back to havin MoT????
shouldn't all Police be just Police??


my thoughts any way... I mean, if someone is HP and can't take prints or answer a burg call... whats the point!
As long as the police are policing the roads there will be designated traffic units. These cops should on the whole stick to their core functions but need to be available for urgent jobs outside of the traffic area. They shouldn't be getting tied up in taking historic burglary and theft complaints because there is no issue regarding safety that requires urgent attendance. If attendance times for burglaries etc are to be addressed it is a matter of needing more resources on the GDB side.

Some traffic bosses are refusing to let their troops attend non traffic jobs and reaming them out if they do attend. Thats the problem that needs to be looked at and more General Duties staff too please.

[spudchucka]

"suicide by police" is so close to being an actual cause of death, it's not funny...
It is a very real phenomenom.

[mikey]

Steady on mate. Soon you'll be the most reputable member. Or a moderator even.

Got that screen on yer bike yet?

most reputable.... i want my spot back at number one bad ass, but since i met some people they hesitant to bad rep me....

havnt got screen back on but hada close call, got bug in my eye an missed seeing a policemen riding back from the mill with a swappa create balanced on tank an in between my arms, took off up stop bank an around petone an was home all hot but luckily still had all beer to cool down, drink, do stupid stuff, play my guitar really loud with distortion going right down the street! and entertain myself posting on here...


better go buy some ados i think, that bug almost cost me a thousand dollars..... an a swappa create!

[Deano]

While not media sensationalism this time, Ron Marks (National MP) was on breakfast this morning saying that he had some leaked memo's from cop bosses to traffic patrol telling them not to attend any incident's that are not emergencies.

Mmmmm.

[spudchucka]

While not media sensationalism this time, Ron Marks (National MP) was on breakfast this morning saying that he had some leaked memo's from cop bosses to traffic patrol telling them not to attend any incident's that are not emergencies.

Mmmmm.
And good on him for actually looking into the matter and having some proof before going to the media.

[Sniper]

SOUNDS LIKE A QUALITY PAPER , THEY PROBABLY DECIDED TO PRINT THE TRUTH


For God's sake, could you shut up and offer a worthwhile opinion.

Sounds like the Dom are focusing on the bad points without really looking for the good points. Sounds like standard newspaper tactics :shake:

[Deano]

And good on him for actually looking into the matter and having some proof before going to the media.

As opposed to George Hawkins who comes across on TV as a complete moron.

[NC]

What a cock junkie

[marty]

the issue that marks raises is a good one, which has long been a bug bear of the gdb fraternity. the situation is, STU units provide a fixed hour contract to the TLA's (Territorial Local Authority), such as Hamilton City Council, Waipa District Council etc. this provides school education (KOS), intersection control, urban patrolling, parking enforcment, seat belt enforcement etc. the TLA's have some highway component, but only a small amount (maybe 25% for speed enforcment, but that will include all roads in the area, not just the highway), and another small amount (maybe 5%) for crash attendance (no money in attending crashes!). Highway patrol/CVIU receives funding from Transit to patrol the highways ONLY. transit doesn't care about feeders and side roads. ACC also contribute to the HP budget, primarily for trauma reduction. like the STU budget there is a small amount of crash and emergency attendance included in the HP budget, but most of it is for enforcment and proactive patrolling, not reactive crash attendance. if HP and STU attend all crashes and criminal jobs that came their way, they will blow their crash and non productive hours in a month, and be so far behind in their other deliveries that they just won't be able to make them up. that leaves the poor old GDB cops, who are not so strictly budgetised, to attend all crashes, deal with the deaths etc. there is no room in the HP and STU budget to deal with serious injuries and deaths, as it is not chargeable as a job code to their core business. the budget issue may sound like a *cop* out, but it is your (the public) tax dollars that are being spent by Transit/TLA/ACC etc, you have demanded that these 'services' are provided, and if HP/STU dealt with all the crashes, they would never be seen, nor would they meet their contractual obligations. (i know some would want that anyway....)

so yeah - ron marks is right, but there is a bigger picture. what he is saying is nothing new. it's been happening since the merger

[marty]

and yeah hawkins is a moron. you should see his collection of matchbox police cars....

[Midnight 82]

I dont really give a fuck what you think... I'm gettin sick of asking people to stop the name calling...
sin bin from here on in... for any name calling shit

:done: :banana: :2thumbsup Yep best thing that has been said so far Blakamin :banana: :banana:

[spudchucka]

As opposed to George Hawkins who comes across on TV as a complete moron.
Agreed, poor old George isn't the greatest but in his defence I believe his drooly looking face is the result of a stroke.

[spudchucka]

the budget issue may sound like a *cop* out, but it is your (the public) tax dollars that are being spent by Transit/TLA/ACC etc, you have demanded that these 'services' are provided, and if HP/STU dealt with all the crashes, they would never be seen, nor would they meet their contractual obligations. (i know some would want that anyway....)

so yeah - ron marks is right, but there is a bigger picture. what he is saying is nothing new. it's been happening since the merger
This brings me back to a point I was trying to make earlier, (might have been in another thread), about the police being able to operate totaly impartialy, without any direct input from outside influences such as Govt, Govt Agencies, lobby groups, the public etc.

This is an example of how outside influences can control policing outcomes and agendas through the holy dollar.

[Big Dave]

about the police being able to operate totaly impartialy, without any direct input from outside influences such as Govt, Govt Agencies.

Slightly skewed context, but the police are the 'instruments' of such agencies.
You enforce the laws created by a majority elected government and must be more than influenced by said govt. Not perfect, but that's democracy innit? The idea of a autonomous police force hints at fascism.

Unless of course you all decide to have 'fine free fridays for bikers' and start issuing 'get out of jail free' cards? I'd vote for that.

[Lou Girardin]

Police Commanders of the past (1970's and earlier) would have had a succinct reply to any politician suggesting that they 'contract' services to any other Govt department. But then they were real men, usually rising to their positions on their merits as cops, not on the basis of the degrees they've earned or pollies butts they've kissed.

[spudchucka]

Slightly skewed context, but the police are the 'instruments' of such agencies.
You enforce the laws created by a majority elected government and must be more than influenced by said govt. Not perfect, but that's democracy innit? The idea of a autonomous police force hints at fascism.

Unless of course you all decide to have 'fine free fridays for bikers' and start issuing 'get out of jail free' cards? I'd vote for that.
Sorry Dave but you are wrong. The police do not serve the Govt, they serve the people. They are however answerable to the Govt. There is a big difference.

[spudchucka]

Police Commanders of the past (1970's and earlier) would have had a succinct reply to any politician suggesting that they 'contract' services to any other Govt department. But then they were real men, usually rising to their positions on their merits as cops, not on the basis of the degrees they've earned or pollies butts they've kissed.
Then in 1991 there was a huge influx of former traffic cops and the arse kissing and brown nosing began as these snakes started slithering their way up the promotional ladder.

[scumdog]

Police Commanders of the past (1970's and earlier) would have had a succinct reply to any politician suggesting that they 'contract' services to any other Govt department. But then they were real men, usually rising to their positions on their merits as cops, not on the basis of the degrees they've earned or pollies butts they've kissed.

Ah! but in this modern enlightened age the "other Govt departments" will say "you will deliver XXXX or we wil cut your funding by XXXX and you will very likely lose XXXX staff since you won't be able to justify their presence"
And even your mythical real men buckle when it comes to this type of tactic.

Things have changed a whole lot Lou since I first went in in 1971, believe me.

[Big Dave]

Sorry Dave but you are wrong. The police do not serve the Govt, they serve the people. They are however answerable to the Govt. There is a big difference.

"you are wrong." - bugger, bloody coppers - hardly anybody, except the 'Warrior Missus' has the whatsits to tell me that!

But Ahaha! The government *is* the people! :wari:

Immigrant question: Do you have to make an oath? To whom?

bd

[Clockwork]

This brings me back to a point I was trying to make earlier, (might have been in another thread), about the police being able to operate totaly impartialy, without any direct input from outside influences such as Govt, Govt Agencies, lobby groups, the public etc.

This is an example of how outside influences can control policing outcomes and agendas through the holy dollar.

We might be getting somewhere here, Spud. This controling of the Police through budgets, how the hell did we ever get here!!! These people pulling the (purse) strings (LTSA/LTNZ ACC) are bearucrats!! :ar15: :ar15: . Nobody ever voted for these buggers but they'll go on pushing their bandwagon no matter who wins an election. :brick: :brick:

[mikey]

hijack my thread you BASTARDS. go back to hondas police public image thread to wank on about wanting police to control the country spud

[Skunk]

hijack my thread you BASTARDS. go back to hondas police public image thread to wank on about wanting police to control the country spudWant more green rep mikey? :lol:

[marty]

hmm, one can't control where the thread leads mikey - there's a $ on it turning it into a beer thread

[mikey]

fair enough, DaM hell i am stuck half way in between was on 50 green ones, willl be an effort to get bad repped all the way back to badd ass.....

with the help of some happy devil pills i think i am becoming nice but hey anyone who want s to throw bad rep around (probably coppers, god dam poewr trippers!!!!!!!) hahaha throw some at me

[onearmedbandit]

Its 10.30pm, hot hot hot, I've one beer left in the fridge, don't want it to be lonely so I'd better knock it back. [walks off to fridge]

[spudchucka]

"you are wrong." - bugger, bloody coppers - hardly anybody, except the 'Warrior Missus' has the whatsits to tell me that!

But Ahaha! The government *is* the people! :wari:

Immigrant question: Do you have to make an oath? To whom?

bd
The Govt represents the people.

The oath is found in section 37 of the police act. Apparently I serve the Queen.


``I, A.B., do swear that I will well and truly serve our Sovereign Lady the Queen in the Police, without favour or affection, malice or ill-will, until I am legally discharged; that I will see and cause Her Majesty's peace to be kept and preserved; that I will prevent to the best of my power all offences against the peace; and that while I continue to hold the said office I will to the best of my skill and knowledge discharge all the duties thereof faithfully according to law. So help me God.''

[Big Dave]

Apparently I serve the Queen.

And very nice she is too, so I'm told.
bd

[Lou Girardin]

Then in 1991 there was a huge influx of former traffic cops and the arse kissing and brown nosing began as these snakes started slithering their way up the promotional ladder.

Are you seriously suggesting that ex-MOT cops, totally new to the Police, have beaten existing cops for promotion? Jeez, I wouldn't admit to that publicly.
How many of these 'snakes' are in positions of Inspector or higher?

[Skyryder]

Some traffic bosses are refusing to let their troops attend non traffic jobs and reaming them out if they do attend. Thats the problem that needs to be looked at and more General Duties staff too please.

Disgraceefull. Now who should 'look' at this? The media??



Skyryder

[Skyryder]

This brings me back to a point I was trying to make earlier, (might have been in another thread), about the police being able to operate totaly impartialy, without any direct input from outside influences such as Govt, Govt Agencies, lobby groups, the public etc.

This is an example of how outside influences can control policing outcomes and agendas through the holy dollar.

Correct me if I am wrong but I thought this was the point Alan Wilkinson was trying to make.
Skyryder

[spudchucka]

Are you seriously suggesting that ex-MOT cops, totally new to the Police, have beaten existing cops for promotion? Jeez, I wouldn't admit to that publicly.
How many of these 'snakes' are in positions of Inspector or higher?
More than I'm happy with.

[spudchucka]

Correct me if I am wrong but I thought this was the point Alan Wilkinson was trying to make.
Skyryder
Can't recall him trying to make that point. If he was he wasn't very good at it.

Mostly he seems to want to prove that he can drive faster than anyone else and is safe at it. And then there is a bunch of general anti police stuff that he simply just doesn't have a solid understanding of.