Why I hate "look how fast I ride" videos.

[Katman]

These serve no purpose other than to encourage new motorcycle riders to think "Fuck, I bet I could do that road just as fast".

I can hear the answers already.........

"I'm trying to showcase New Zealands natural beauty" - bullshit, you'd go slower.

"You're never going to stop new riders from being idiots" - maybe, but we sure as fuck don't need to encourage them.

[NOMIS]

These serve no purpose other than to encourage new motorcycle riders to think "Fuck, I bet I could do that road just as fast".

I can hear the answers already.........

"I'm trying to showcase New Zealands natural beauty" - bullshit, you'd go slower.

"You're never going to stop new rider from being idiots" - maybe, but we sure as fuck don't need to encourage them.

why not?? there entertaining? sorry but i enjoy them as long as there not rediculously stupid. its like the roman mob and the arena. you woulda been a jew/ christian throwen to the lions

[PrincessBandit]

A fitting post to reassure us that you've not gone soft and senile in your old age brother.

[Katman]

why not?? there entertaining? sorry but i enjoy them as long as there not rediculously stupid. its like the roman mob and the arena. you woulda been a jew/ christian throwen to the lions

Spoken like a true idiot.

[wbks]

I'm new here but already I've read so many of these type of posts from you. Do you really expect people who ride illegally to read them and after a while say: "oh shit i was so stupid I'll never do it again". Or are these posts of yours just venting? Serious question so don't think I'm taking the piss...

[slimjim]

bloody heck...hoping it was a write up on how your birthday went...:hug:

gota agree on the road thing...wish they would show they need more on a track....however way to much u-tube shit...so as one does ..so one belives in doing it better....pity...

[R6_kid]

I'm new here but already I've read so many of these type of posts from you. Do you really expect people who ride illegally to read them and after a while say: "oh shit i was so stupid I'll never do it again". Or are these posts of yours just venting? Serious question so don't think I'm taking the piss...

I think his opinion is that, although he wont stop everyone from doing it, he might stop a couple which is better than doing nothing. You never know, maybe there are loads of people on here who want to say the same thing but don't have the balls, or maybe they just don't care. Not everyone on here was blessed with more than two brain cells.

[discotex]

What about:

a) Trackday vids

b) Onboard without speedo

?

[madbikeboy]

I'm new here but already I've read so many of these type of posts from you. Do you really expect people who ride illegally to read them and after a while say: "oh shit i was so stupid I'll never do it again". Or are these posts of yours just venting? Serious question so don't think I'm taking the piss...

Okay, so KatMan is the centre of some debate within this community. I like him, he keeps us real, and when he lobs a grenade over the parapet, it gets noticed (although sometimes the message gets lost amidst the noise). We are much better off with him. His antithesis is a complete fuckstick (I've decided he's not worthy of an actual name), and you'll soon pick who he is, poor grammar and language are the clue here (along with small dick and boyfriend). Ying and moron.

However, Katman has a character flaw. If only we could get a modern USD and swingarm on his Katana - wouldn't that be something.. :whistle:

[Katman]

What about:

a) Trackday vids

b) Onboard without speedo

?

a) = all good.

b) = depends - is it on a track?

[madbikeboy]

What about:

a) Trackday vids

b) Onboard without speedo

?

Seriously, I'm working on the trackday bike. All I need are a few bits, then a camera... I'm an ex-VT editor, and now there are all these nice tools to make really cool video's on your PC...

[NOMIS]

Spoken like a true idiot.

more like spoken like a boring old fart, takes very "brain dead" people who take that shit to heart and make it there aim to copy. Its entertaining and it is even the slow rides any videod ride as long as it good quality good to watch.

carvers because his remarks inbetween are funny. yes he do dumb shit like jumps at god know how fast. entertaining . but no way would i try it. and I bet waaaayyyy more people would agree with me than with you.

Or are we all going to be speaking like true idiots?

[Sketchy_Racer]

These serve no purpose other than to encourage new motorcycle riders to think "Fuck, I bet I could do that road just as fast".

I can hear the answers already.........

"I'm trying to showcase New Zealands natural beauty" - bullshit, you'd go slower.

"You're never going to stop new rider from being idiots" - maybe, but we sure as fuck don't need to encourage them.

Quick, wrap everyone in bubble wrap before they can get hurt! oh god quick!
:bash: moron.

[Kickaha]

If only we could get a modern USD and swingarm on his Katana - wouldn't that be something.. :whistle:

I can't really see why you'd want to fuck such a nice bike up by doing that

[Katman]

and I bet waaaayyyy more people would agree with me than with you.



Wanna start a poll?

:msn-wink:

[NOMIS]

serious Katman aint met you but you do vent alot about the "idiots" on here. its the internet man. chill

people always gunna say dumb things and post up there dangersoud ride vids. and it is because people will watch, dont even have to condone there acts but its still entertaining none the less

[NOMIS]

Wanna start a poll?

:msn-wink:

hahaha yeh actually make one should be interesting lol

[Big Dave]

I'm just over them anyway. Novelty wore off some time ago.

[discotex]

b) = depends - is it on a track?

No I meant open road for b. Might be over the limit. Might not.

Personally I have no issue with vids of fast riding and I don't think they incite stupid riding. People either ride crazy fast or they don't.

If anything it's the person with the camera you have to worry about not the viewer. More likely to be trying to show off if you have a camera on-board.

Either way I say :whocares:

[discotex]

Seriously, I'm working on the trackday bike. All I need are a few bits, then a camera... I'm an ex-VT editor, and now there are all these nice tools to make really cool video's on your PC...

Mmm nice. I love trackday vids. Although seeing Taupo over and over gets a little boring. Bring on Hampton Downs!

[yod]

which "look how fast i ride" video set this off Katman?

[Katman]

If anything it's the person with the camera you have to worry about not the viewer. More likely to be trying to show off if you have a camera on-board.



I totally disagree.The person doing the filming may well be a competent rider but there's no such guarantee for those watching that video.

[Katman]

which "look how fast i ride" video set this off Katman?

All of them.

[wbks]

Madbikeboy-I see who his "antithesis" is already. I'm not going to say my posts are great to read either but seeing certain people on here bleat on about how he is so stupid and irresponsible and every other negative word to describe him gets a little tiresom considering the fact that he so clearly just does not give a fuck and takes every chance to say so. Personally, I think the "oh look at how fast i ride" videos can be entertaining provided there is some skillful riding but at the same time the only videos bar a few with skillfull riding are usually IOM bike cam videos or other closed course street races.

[Katman]

Madbikeboy-I see who his "antithesis" is already. I'm not going to say my posts are great to read either but seeing certain people on here bleat on about how he is so stupid and irresponsible and every other negative word to describe him gets a little tiresom considering the fact that he so clearly just does not give a fuck and takes every chance to say so. Personally, I think the "oh look at how fast i ride" videos can be entertaining provided there is some skillful riding but at the same time the only videos bar a few with skillfull riding are usually IOM bike cam videos or other closed course street races.

Epic fail.

[wbks]

great argument. Nothing more epic fail than some old fart using modern computer speak like "epic fail". I don't even know 20 y/o's that still say that

[Katman]

great argument. Nothing more epic fail than some old fart using modern computer speak like "epic fail". I don't even know 20 y/o's that still say that

I'm sorry, I have no excuse for my age.

:msn-wink:

[Madness]

I like the vids with some police action in them. I think it's the pretty flashing light thing.

:corn:

[wbks]

I like ghost riders vids when he goes between those two trucks at like 260 and the one where he gets chased by the cop who smashes into an on coming car while trying to keep up with him. I think its cool and I want to grow up to be just like him...












...

[discotex]

I like the vids with some police action in them. I think it's the pretty flashing light thing.

:corn:

One of my favs.

http://www.livevideo.com/video/Gixxer750/2A3E95156C1D4A77B971734A24500290/tutorial-my-attempt-at-explai.aspx




and yes it's a p/t

[Headbanger]

I enjoy em, whether they be fast or slow, Watched a dead slow one the other day featuring a vintage bike, It was one of the best I have watched.



Earlier I watched a gun fight on Youtube, Now I have to go shoot some fuckers, Apparently that's how it all works.

[jrandom]

:sunny:

v9BofCzc80U
K85XuOJiqvQ

[Blackshear]

Totally waiting for that jrandom.

Good show.

[carver]

<embed id="VideoPlayback" src="http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=-7108856190342376209&hl=en&fs=true" style="width:400px;height:326px" allowFullScreen="true" allowScriptAccess="always" type="application/x-shockwave-flash"> </embed>

are you not entertained?

[PrincessBandit]

To Carver: entertained? only when you've got your kit off pretty boy..... you have sexy legs.

[carver]

To Carver: entertained? only when you've got your kit off pretty boy..... you have sexy legs.

ah, really?
you know where to find the vid!

[R6_kid]

I 'heart' carver

[Big Dave]

you have sexy legs.

If he was a chicken - and even then they are scrawny.

[jrandom]

If he was a chicken - and even then they are scrawny.

He got purdy lips, though.

[carver]

I 'heart' carver

haha...
well, we both ride GSXR1000's


mormon few
stunt crew

[Grahameeboy]

serious Katman aint met you but you do vent alot about the "idiots" on here. its the internet man. chill

people always gunna say dumb things and post up there dangersoud ride vids. and it is because people will watch, dont even have to condone there acts but its still entertaining none the less

I met Katman at the Election party...he is a top bloke who actually cares which is key...I get abuse for telling people they are illegally parked in a disabled parking back....like Katman I have a valid cause and most will not understand...

"It's only the internet"...mmmm...cyber gals are the internet...this is a website watched by impressionable people...plus the cops...we are suppose to represent motorcycling...not diminish it.

So Katman vents...maybe it is passion...you know that something humans seems to have lost.

Just seen Carver's vid's...yes he is good at wheelies, but standing on a car bonnet is just stupid and showing how to jump a bridge...yeah I once lifted by accident and it was a great feeling but to encourage others is not cool...

I agree that most people here will not be taken in by Carver's antics...but just a few is enough.

The Police watch the site...has anyone thought that perhaps we ask for trouble and notariety and that is why the Police watch SH16, Peak Road and the like.

Take the 'm" out of Mormon and what are you left with....

Yes I am an old git...maybe not as old as Katman:pinch:....

[blossomsowner]

[QUOTE=madbikeboy;1815217]Okay, so KatMan is the centre of some debate within this community. I like him, he keeps us real, and when he lobs a grenade over the parapet, it gets noticed (although sometimes the message gets lost amidst the noise). We are much better off with him. His antithesis is a complete fuckstick (I've decided he's not worthy of an actual name), and you'll soon pick who he is, poor grammar and language are the clue here (along with small dick and boyfriend). Ying and moron.




you are so damn right.............

[Grahameeboy]

To Carver: entertained? only when you've got your kit off pretty boy..... you have sexy legs.

Reckon it was photoshopped....could have worn some better undies though...

[Ixion]

..
Take the 'm" out of Mormon and what are you left with....
..

oron ?? WTF is an oron ??

[jrandom]

Take the 'm" out of Mormon and what are you left with...

'Ormon'?

:blink:

[Gubb]

Take the 'm" out of Mormon and what are you left with....

Oron?

:sunny:

[Gubb]

Haha.

Small minds lads. Small minds.

[carver]

you should see the full ones, its much better
you tube search mormon few!

the bridge is being hit at 160k
the cops have seen my vids and find them amusing and do not care.
i have sat next to long serving officers as they watched and laughed.
its the same one your seeing now!

[QUOTE=jrandom;1815385]'Ormon'?

:blink:

Omen i think

a omen that we own!

[sinfull]

Earlier I watched a gun fight on Youtube, Now I have to go shoot some fuckers, . Do em on the vinegar stroke, that'll blow their minds !


Now i know what i gonna be when i grow up !


If he was a chicken - and even then they are scrawny. A line from the devils rejects springs to mind here !

[Grahameeboy]

oron ?? WTF is an oron ??

I said "m" not "M"....

[Grahameeboy]

you should see the full ones, its much better
you tube search mormon few!

the bridge is being hit at 160k
the cops have seen my vids and find them amusing and do not care.
i have sat next to long serving officers as they watched and laughed.
its the same one your seeing now!



Omen i think

a omen that we own!

I agree you own the "Omen"...:soon:

The cops won't find it amusing when on duty...either way doesn't make what you do right either....

[carver]

I agree you own the "Omen"...:soon:

The cops won't find it amusing when on duty...either way doesn't make what you do right either....

i will find it amusing when they disappear in my mirrors!

but they wont be amused, no...

[Grahameeboy]

Oron?

:sunny:

Here you go...has "Ghost" in it so not far off....:2thumbsup

[Grahameeboy]

i will find it amusing when they disappear in my mirrors!

but they wont be amused, no...

Did you HEAR that nOObs

[NighthawkNZ]

why not?? there entertaining?

please they are boring same shit different book cover...

[carver]

please they are boring same shit different book cover...

if your trying to read the mormon few series, yeah, then i guess its boring.
watching them is much better

[jrandom]

Here you go...has "Ghost" in it so not far off....:2thumbsup

There is something seriously wrong with the musculature in that guy's right leg.

[Grahameeboy]

There is something seriously wrong with the musculature in that guy's right leg.

Yep he doesn't have to move around in the shower to get wet like Carver does:laugh:

[vifferman]

Why I hate "look how fast I ride" videos.These serve no purpose other than to encourage new motorcycle riders to think "Fuck, I bet I could do that road just as fast".
The videos are exciting, but sometimes for the same sorts of reasons that people are fascinated by car crashes, people getting hurt on "America's Home Voyeurism" and the like.
But they are really stupid, because they are generic "look how fast I ride, look how big my knob is, look how many risks I can take, see how hard I'm trying to prove how b-b-brave I am" videos, by cartoon cutout characters.
And yes, there are young riders who will wish to emulate their heroes.

But then again, maybe it's good: Gene-O-Kleen at work.

I dunno. Make up your own minds.
If you like them and want to emulate them, fair enough. If you are titillated by them, but are smart enough "to not do this at home", good for you.
It's a Win-Win scenario.

[cowboyz]

just to clarify.

Are you talking about the "look how fast I can ride/showoff" vids
or are you talking about general bike vids?

You recently commented on my latest video of the LSG on the backroads. It was at pace but we werent doing extreme speeds.

[Lilly2w]

Can we watch oron instead? the cover states that there will be hefting of his mighty sword.

[fstfzr]

I get your point Katman people may be influenced be these guys doing crazy speeds,wheelies etc but they cant be all be that easily influenced as Im sure they dont all rush out in their undies and dance on a moving car, now that takes balls:yes:

[Grahameeboy]

Can we watch oron instead? the cover states that there will be hefting of his mighty sword.

Down gal...wasn't carver in his undies enough for you

[fstfzr]

nothing between your ears but balls

[Grahameeboy]

I get your point Katman people may be influenced be these guys doing crazy speeds,wheelies etc but they cant be all be that easily influenced as Im sure they dont all rush out in their undies and dance on a moving car, now that takes balls:yes:

Pity there didn't appear to be any......

[NighthawkNZ]

Are you talking about the "look how fast I can ride/showoff" vids
or are you talking about general bike vids?

I think it is still about "look how fast I can ride" vids...

[NOMIS]

Wanna start a poll?

:msn-wink:


oron ?? WTF is an oron ??

lmao u beat me damit
only thing i found interesting in that post. and yes i know police watch they tried to pin stuff on me at courst because of my buddy Andrew lmao say hit to him for me any coppers reading, ( i do have high respect for the law, my bros a cop :-) ) but if you new the story it was pathetic

[Lilly2w]

Down gal...wasn't carver in his undies enough for you

Check out the girls "hot guys" thread, do you see anything resembling carver on there? (aside from the pictures he posted of himself)

[cowboyz]

I only ask cause my latest vid (I make a few from time to time) is 2 of us on backroads. Very little traffic. No speedos in video. No stunts. and dipshit and katman packed a mental sad about it. Just waiting for clarification on what he is actually complaining about before I make comment.

[The Pastor]

but trackdays are expensive and hard to get to you know and theres no traffic on them!

[Ragingrob]

So we'd better make fictional movies and books illegal too? Kids might think they're Superman and try to fly of a bridge!

[fstfzr]

but trackdays are expensive and hard to get to you know and theres no traffic on them!

whats more expensive trackdays or speeding tickets?

[Katman]

You recently commented on my latest video of the LSG on the backroads. It was at pace but we werent doing extreme speeds.

Believe me cowboyz, I'm well aware of what "extreme speed" is about. While you might not believe you achieved "extreme speed" in that video, I saw countless times when you left nothing in reserve for any unexpected occurances. In my opinion that makes for dumbarse riding.

[Grahameeboy]

Check out the girls "hot guys" thread, do you see anything resembling carver on there? (aside from the pictures he posted of himself)

Nothing resembles Carver as I see it...phew

[cowboyz]

whats more expensive trackdays or speeding tickets?

I realise your trying to make a point but ...


trackday. $100. 160km travelled... 62.5 cents/km

being pulled over. $120 fine. 10000km travelled. 1.2 cents/km

Of course costs are assumed and figures are subject to change

[PrincessBandit]

'Ormon'?

:blink:

Woah, that's starting to closely resemble "Osmond" Here Donny, here Donny!!
Ps he was actually pretty cute in his younger days (sorry Katman, shouldn't be such an embarrassing sister on your birthday. You wont disown me will you?).

[fstfzr]

I realise your trying to make a point but ...


trackday. $100. 160km travelled... 62.5 cents/km

being pulled over. $120 fine. 10000km travelled. 1.2 cents/km

Of course costs are assumed and figures are subject to change

Dont get me wrong m8 Ive had my share of speeding tickets (like to think Ive learned my lesson) but 62.5 cents a km flat out seems like a good deal to me

[cowboyz]

Believe me cowboyz, I'm well aware of what "extreme speed" is about. While you might not believe you achieved "extreme speed" in that video, I saw countless times when you left nothing in reserve for any unexpected occurances. In my opinion that makes for dumbarse riding.

The camera doesnt reflex what you see in real life. Another mate commented on the truck pass at the start of the video but in real life we both could see well ahead and knew nothing was coming. I say this as an example of how the camera perceives things that arent actually true.
At no time during the day, with the camera being on or off, did either myself or NZsarge put ourselves in a position that we couldnt have bailed out of.
Another comment on the crossing of the centre lines. Again, the camera cant see what we can see. we know how much time we need to get back on our side of the road and my whole riding style is based on ' do whatever you want but do it delibrately'. Plenty of viewers took the video for what it is. I cant remember if it was you or dipshit that recommended that we ride faster but we held a pace we were comfortable with.

[cowboyz]

Dont get me wrong m8 Ive had my share of speeding tickets (like to think Ive learned my lesson) but 62.5 cents a km flat out seems like a good deal to me

just being facious really.

I love trackdays and dont get to do enough of them but thats why I brought the 9 over a touring bike. Trackdays rock but riding 'at pace' (not terminal velocity) on backroads is fun too.

[fstfzr]

Agreed cowboyz have seen your vid and could hardly be put in the same categree as 200+ wheelstands and jumping bridges that to me is no margin for error

[Katman]

You're not alone though cowboyz.

What initially prompted me to start this thread was watching a video posted by marty in the "What road do you own" thread. (And I thought he was a cop :scratch:).

You, marty, beyond and many others are all part of Motorcycling's cancer.

[roy.nz]

The you tube videos are great for a good laugh at how stupid some people are, but yeah keep the outright how fast i can go vids for the track and maybe you'l get to hampton downs alive. Cant wait for that place and the WSB :soon::rockon:

[SARGE]

i just find the ignore button a useful tool...its much quieter now that the Moron Few, Skidmark, and Rent-a-kid Masterbator as well as a few other loudmouths are gone..

ahhh.. bliss

i do miss Winja though..

[NighthawkNZ]

i just find the ignore button a useful tool...

I must get round to adding few myself... as soon as I work out were it is... ;) <_<:confused:

[Katman]

i just find the ignore button a useful tool...its much quieter now that the Moron Few, Skidmark, and Rent-a-kid Masterbator as well as a few other loudmouths are gone..

ahhh.. bliss

i do miss Winja though..

Bullshit, nobody ever really uses the ignore button.

:msn-wink:

[roy.nz]

Dont worry cowboyz i got the same deal plus a suspended licence. After a beautiful weekend of track daying a cop went and spoiled it all. One question ....... how many cops use kiwibiker website for personal use ?????????

[SARGE]

my iggy list is measured in Gb..

my motto is

"never argue with an idiot.. they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience"

much easier than hunting the cunts down and cramming a foot up their ass..


i dont have the energy to deal with arrogant loudmouth douchbags..dont want to get to know the clowns who are jst gonna end up as street pizza anyway.. lost too many friends over the years to try and get to know the obvious Darwin nominees



*click*.. iggy..simple



One question ....... how many cops use kiwibiker website for personal use ?????????


quite a few..some dont advertise thier jobs.. .. some just lurk to up the quota

[stify]

You're not alone though cowboyz.

What initially prompted me to start this thread was watching a video posted by marty in the "What road do you own" thread. (And I thought he was a cop :scratch:).

You, marty, beyond and many others are all part of Motorcycling's cancer.

and you are part of this internet/site cancer...judge jury etc etc etc

can't see anything but troll like reactions to most if not all road based videos that get posted...funny thing really when you were not there to witness anything other than what the camera shows.....but now i'm so much wiser...thank you so very much, hope everyone learns never to emulate anything you see on video...ever...

[Big Dave]

YouTube: 15 megabytes of fame pain

Nick Abrahams

Last week Victorian forklift driver, Matthew Ward, was the latest victim of the YouTube generation's fascination with fame.

Ward was ordered to do 50 hours of community work for breaching occupational health and safety laws as a result of driving his forklift in an unsafe manner. His transgressions would have likely gone unnoticed were it not for Ward uploading his forklift stunts onto YouTube where they were found by his employer and a WorkSafe prosecutor.

While I refrain from giving legal advice in this column, I am prepared to go out on a limb and say "It is best not to videotape yourself when breaching the law and further (we lawyers like to say "and further") if you do happen to videotape yourself breaching the law it is not a good idea to upload said video to YouTube for the world and the authorities to see."

You might think this advice is unnecessary, of course no one would upload videos of themselves breaking the law. But they do - everywhere.

The uploaded crimes fall into two main categories:

Bullying/Violent crimes: This is where perpetrators upload videos of themselves committing violent crimes and, sadly, it appears that it is mostly teenagers who are involved. "Happy Slapping" was a phenomenon that gripped Britain about 18 months ago where kids would videotape themselves slapping or worse (in one case murder) a complete stranger and then upload the footage to the internet.

In Florida seven teenagers are to be tried as adults for kidnapping and beating a 16-year-old girl for the purpose of putting the attack on YouTube. The motive is claimed to be pay back for the victim "trash talking" the alleged perps online. In a similar incident, a group of kids, some as young as ten, were charged over the videotaped assault of a 16-year-old New Zealand schoolboy.

Sadly there is quite a long list of such matters, including an 11-year-old boy in Scotland who uploaded a video of himself brandishing a baseball bat and was charged with possessing a weapon in a public place, and a man who was fined £2,500 after he uploaded a video of himself choking and hitting his pet ferret.

Car/Bike (and now Forklift) Shenanigans: This is by far the most common area where people come unstuck. For example the Scots motor biker who was arrested after police viewed him hitting 170mph in his YouTube video and the four men in France who were charged after police viewed footage of them playing chicken with cars on a busy highway.

Online video consumption is growing with 73.7% of the US internet audience viewing videos online. This equates to an audience of 183 million people and is growing strongly. There is also a broad range of video content now available. These sites are not just about wacky groin injury-type home videos but are filled with loads of educational and product/technology video content. The audience and the content selection has led to a steep rise in video searches, especially for those under twenty-five. Google, with its purchase of YouTube, is very well placed to benefit from any move from text to video search.

Web 2.0 with blogging and social networking has as its foundation stone the individual's desire for self expression. Sometimes thinking about the legality of that self-expression takes a back-seat, leading to the seemingly cavalier behaviour of the video uploaders.

Self expression on the internet occurs largely without consequence. Many bloggers appear to have scant regard for defamation laws and, some show all the editorial restraint of a dinner party guest on their third bottle of red. However, they appear to flaunt these laws with impunity. Despite there being millions of blogs, there have only ever been 280 law suits against bloggers in the USA.

Video is just an extension of that self expression, however, video also makes for excellent evidence for the prosecution. It is awfully difficult to plead not guilty when you were the one who set up the mobile phone to video your forklift burnouts.

Certainly these videos have had unintended consequences, but are they really just the tip of the iceberg for this Titanic of self expression? Not only the videos and the blogs, but what of all the candid comments, photos and otherwise on the pages of MySpace, Facebook and myriad other sites - recording for future generations the excesses of one's youth. Will there come a time when you might wish the revelations of your 21st or your formal after-party had been a little more discrete? Who owns or has rights to use this material once you have uploaded it? How do you get it erased from a cached world?

The Australian Law Reform Commission just recently finished a two year review of Australia's privacy regulation. The concept behind privacy law is to protect an individual's "right to be let alone". However, perhaps it may be time to reconsider privacy laws given the YouTube generation's fascination with their 15 megs of fame.

Some final advice, be careful of friends bearing video-enabled mobile phones and always be kind to your ferret.

Nick Abrahams is a Partner and Sydney Office Chairman of law firm, Deacons

[Katman]

........

You'd think it would be fairly obvious wouldn't you Dave.

[wbks]

hunting the cunts down and cramming a foot up their ass..




arrogant loudmouth douchbags.................

[wbks]

I just thought that explained it fully but I'll spell it out. He talks about arrogant loud mouths and in the same post jokes about hunting people down and inserting the ol army boot to el spinchter... Nothing personal, Sarge but if anyone here has posts that would give the impression of them being an arrogant loud mouth, its you.

[Big Dave]

'Internet tough guy' would have been more entertaining. :-P

In real life Sarge sounds like the guy pictured in his avatar - after 10 years smoking Rothmans unfiltered and drinking Budweiser in a tough bar in the Philippines.

Direct - but you always know where you stand.

[Jiminy]

i just find the ignore button a useful tool...its much quieter now that the Moron Few, Skidmark, and Rent-a-kid Masterbator as well as a few other loudmouths are gone..

ahhh.. bliss

i do miss Winja though..

But but but... you're missing all the KB fun, now!


Earlier I watched a gun fight on Youtube, Now I have to go shoot some fuckers, Apparently that's how it all works.

Oh, shit, I've just watched Alien VS Predator...

[wbks]

"'Internet tough guy' would have been more entertaining. :-P

In real life Sarge sounds like the guy pictured in his avatar - after 10 years smoking Rothmans unfiltered and drinking Budweiser in a tough bar in the Philippines.

Direct - but you always know where you stand." If he tops that off with actually being American then I've got the image in my head :) fishin in my rayglass all tuesday niiiight

[Big Dave]

If he tops that off with actually being American


Oh yeah - The Real Hatfield AND McCoy.

[Horse]

No offense BD, but (1) Australia's hardly the place I look to for "how to deal with new stuff happening on the Internet", as their govt approach seems to usually be right out of the Victorian Era, or perhaps the 50s, and (2) when you quote a Sydney lawyer bemoaning the lack of "real world" consequences for nasty things said on the internet you really should pay more attention to the saliva oozing from the corner of his mouth. More internet lawsuits and the legal precedent to support them are the very currency of his wet dreams, regardless of the actual consequences for society if such a thing were to occur.

[vifferman]

i just find the ignore button a useful tool...its much quieter now that the Moron Few, Skidmark, and Rent-a-kid Masterbator as well as a few other loudmouths are gone...
To be fair, Sarge, SkidMark has been a lot better since he returned from Great Valley. He's a lot more sensible and blends in to the General Great Unwashed KwiwBiker Mass.
It's a bit sad in some ways...

[CB ARGH]

I don't mind the videos, if those people want to risk their lives on public roads where anything can go wrong (especially if you watch the hayabusa vids) then that's their problem.

Ya don't have to watch it.

Besides, I'll never have the balls to break 120. :clap:

[Bass]

Generally speaking, I agree with what Katman says - not always, but most of the time.
I always agree with what he is trying to achieve, i.e reduce the number of people who kill/maim themselves on a motorcycle (keep my ACC levies down) and his methods are the source of hours of amusing debate in these annals.

However, in this instance I am nervous.

In this case he is getting into the areas of censorship, civil liberties, big brother stuff.
We have just disposed of a government that I was pleased to see go for several reasons but mostly because (in my opinion) they spent too much time meddling in areas of my life where I believe that a goverment has no business being.
Now Katman seems to be heading for the same regions

I don't know where the line should be drawn and it probably varies from person to person, but this makes me nervous.

[Katman]

Now Katman seems to be heading for the same regions



Not at all.

I'm not asking the site administrators to remove any videos.

I'm simply questioning the maturity of anyone who feels the need to post a video showing how big their balls are. (That, and trying to make people realise the harm that it is doing to Motorcycling).

[Big Dave]

No offense BD,

None taken - just a newspaper cut and paste.

But we all know that the NZ govt never mimics what the Victorian govt does right?

[Bass]

Not at all.

I'm not asking the site administrators to remove any videos.




Good point!
Education, I can live with and even support.
Legislation is another matter

[The Pastor]

i just find the ignore button a useful tool...its much quieter now that the Moron Few, Skidmark, and Rent-a-kid Masterbator as well as a few other loudmouths are gone..

ahhh.. bliss

i do miss Winja though..
I havnt gone anywhere!

[zeocen]

I don't mind the videos, if those people want to risk their lives on public roads where anything can go wrong (especially if you watch the hayabusa vids) then that's their problem.

I'm on that road too mate, could easily become my problem too ;/

I think I win for the girliest and slowest bike videos, as Renegade Master eloquantly put it, "Video Diary, what are you a girl!?" ...I wish! :love: Some of the fast videos are nice to watch, if only for a self reflection "hehe, I wouldn't do that on my bike!". But as people have pointed out, blessed with two or more brain cells we all can clearly figure out what is stupid and what is sensible.

IMO a tad over reaction to warrant it's own thread but warrantable to mention never the less, because you *know* there is some kid out there who can't think for himself and is now thinking "Hmm, maybe I should slow down a bit and give myself some room to breathe in the corners!".

[Katman]

IMO a tad over reaction to warrant it's own thread

My weapon of choice will always be the sledgehammer over the feather duster.

[marty]

You're not alone though cowboyz.

What initially prompted me to start this thread was watching a video posted by marty in the "What road do you own" thread. (And I thought he was a cop :scratch:).

You, marty, beyond and many others are all part of Motorcycling's cancer.

you're making some pretty big assumptions there mate.

you need to get out of your sphere of concern, and into your sphere of influence a little more.

[Katman]

you're making some pretty big assumptions there mate.



Hey, if you're not a cop - no problem (other than it still being a "look how fast I can ride" video). I did only say I thought you were.

If you actually are a cop then I would suggest it was somewhat unwise (and highly hypocritical) of you to post that video.

[Katman]

In case people are wondering what I'm talking about.........


Scotsman Valley Rd :

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Did you notice those driveways you were blasting past marty? (Those driveways that could have hidden any number of hazards that you would have had no chance of avoiding).






Rather silly having your rego number on display like that too.

[wysper]

I'm just over them anyway. Novelty wore off some time ago.


should we do a poll on that? :shutup:


great argument. Nothing more epic fail than some old fart using modern computer speak like "epic fail". I don't even know 20 y/o's that still say that

Dammit.. I can't keep up... so epic fail is out now?


As for the vids, I don't watch them. Its not my thing. I guess the risk can be quite high if it is taken in an urban environment. For example, I am a father and know how fast my little ones can get away from me and be twenty meteres away in the blink of an eye. That could be on the road or even the verge out in the country. At the speed some of those guys are riding they wouldn't even see the little one let alone be able to do anything.

So I guess if you are going to do something like that, be aware of the risk you are to yourself and others.

[wbks]

should we do a poll on that? :shutup:



Dammit.. I can't keep up... so epic fail is out now?-purdy much ow


As for the vids, I don't watch them. Its not my thing. I guess the risk can be quite high if it is taken in an urban environment. For example, I am a father and know how fast my little ones can get away from me and be twenty meteres away in the blink of an eye. That could be on the road or even the verge out in the country. At the speed some of those guys are riding they wouldn't even see the little one let alone be able to do anything.

So I guess if you are going to do something like that, be aware of the risk you are to yourself and others.I can't imagine someone posting videos like beyond or other members wouldn't accept the risk but even though they do, katman isn't going to. Not criticizing that but I do wonder why he even bothers posting the same stuff to certain members over and over...

[portokiwi]

I dont have a problem with that video, The speed sign says 100kph We cant tell if the towm on was reduced down to 60-70kph. Watching the background and looking out the back of your vech there isnt anything to show he is speeding Watched out the back of those dam unimogs and landrovers enough when I was in the service.
He never overtook on yellow lines.... He did come back on one:2guns:
He did slow right down in the town.
I googled Earth on the Scotsman Valley Rd and it looks like a nice road to ride.
I honestly dont see what the problem is on this video.
He didnt even cut the corners.:no:

[Katman]

I honestly dont see what the problem is on this video.


I know what sort of speed a Hayabusa is likely to be doing when pulling those sort of revs.

And it wouldn't be too hard to work out the speed by counting the seconds between each power pole flashing by. If his speed is anywhere near 100kph I'll retract everything I've said about the video.

[wbks]

He wasn't wearing enough reflective vests, took it over 90 and god knows what else katman hates with a passion....
Anything that shows someone having fun.


pt btw

[Katman]

He wasn't wearing enough reflective vests, took it over 90 and god knows what else katman hates with a passion....
Anything that shows someone having fun.


pt btw

Shush now. The adults are talking.

[wbks]

Ok, sorry! :)

[cowboyz]

I don't mind the videos, if those people want to risk their lives on public roads where anything can go wrong (especially if you watch the hayabusa vids) then that's their problem.

Ya don't have to watch it.

Besides, I'll never have the balls to break 120. :clap:

I have a problem with people directly linking speed with danger. 100k/hr on the open road can be down right dangerous in the wrong conditions. Would you feel better if we just went out for weekend rides and did what we do and didnt record it. Sweep it under the carpet and it didnt happen?


you're making some pretty big assumptions there mate.

you need to get out of your sphere of concern, and into your sphere of influence a little more.

I didnt see anything wrong with that video either. Again, there is alot the camera doesnt see that the rider does. Did you see the looking both ways at the give way sign to be sure nothing was coming before pulling out. No. Because the video doesnt show that. The camera misses even more when it is facing backwards.

In case people are wondering what I'm talking about.........



Did you notice those driveways you were blasting past marty? (Those driveways that could have hidden any number of hazards that you would have had no chance of avoiding).

Same is to be said for the "hidden dangers" I am sure that if you saw a kid on the side of the road playing you would have slowed till passed. 'Hidden dangers' dont happen 10 feet in front of you. they happen 300m away and a 'safe' rider will make note of them long before they get to it and react accordingly.


FWIW, I have more respect for Katman than alot of peeps round here. At least he speaks up about what concerns him instead of resorting to personal attacks and adding stupid taglines in the dark.

Its just a shame hes wrong.

[Katman]

Can anyone tell me off hand the standard spacing between power poles in rural areas? (If there even is one).

[Mom]

Can anyone tell me off hand the standard spacing between power poles in rural areas? (If there even is one).

A chain? However much that is.

[Pussy]

A chain? However much that is.

22 yards, I think

[98tls]

One thing Katman does do is keep saftey (or the lack of it) at the forefront on a bike site which for my money is a worthy thing,if you agree with his opinions or not is somewhat irrelevant as the very act of reading his threads raises the issue in your head.As a bloke whos been riding many years and had a few offs in my time some my own fault entirely some with other influences i hadnt allowed for ive found that between not liking extreme pain and a genuine love of life its made me particular about where/when i have my fun.All in all i say good on him and if it makes someone think then as i said its worthy of doing.Oh and by my admisson of "other influences i hadnt allowed for" i am admitting that looking back i should have as in all these years later with a few miles under my hat i do.Will at the same time admit to the odd moment of craziness still.

[portokiwi]

Katman does do a good job with safety. He has his own terminology with his words:laugh:

[slofox]

I googled Earth on the Scotsman Valley Rd and it looks like a nice road to ride.

It's a great road to ride - I did it this morning myself and do it reasonably regularly.
Watching the vid, I have to say I did not think it looked that fast but such footage can be very deceiving. I wouldn't be prepared to make a call on that. Nice view of the arse end of a muffler though.......:blah:
The route through Scotsman Valley Rd is not that long. I haven't timed myself through it but it does not take a long time, even at the pootling speed I ride it.... Quite a lot of this footage was of the route leading into and out of the actual run itself.
Overall, I would have to say I have watched worse videos than that in terms of lunacy promotion. But in fairness to Katman, I believe he was making a valid point when he started this thread......myself, I can't be bothered watching these vids for more than about ten seconds - they get boring real quick...:sleep:..and they don't have any influence on my riding...but then I am old enough to know I am not indestructable....

[Bonez]

These serve no purpose other than to encourage new motorcycle riders to think "Fuck, I bet I could do that road just as fast".

I can hear the answers already.........

"I'm trying to showcase New Zealands natural beauty" - bullshit, you'd go slower.

"You're never going to stop new rider from being idiots" - maybe, but we sure as fuck don't need to encourage them.This coming from a guy whose admited hes sped in a safe manner when it suits.

Pffff!!

[Katman]

Well, I paced out some power poles on my way home at 70 metres apart.

The roadside marker pegs are 20 metres apart.

Anyone up for some calculations?

[wbks]

As long as you're sure that the distance between power poles is universal, country wide.

[Bonez]

As long as you're sure that the distance between power poles is universal, country wide.There's a guy that goes around the country who checks to make sure the distance is correct by pacing them out ;).

[98tls]

There's a guy that goes around the country who checks to make sure the distance is correct by pacing them out ;). Anywhere else in the world i would say no but...............:msn-wink:

[wbks]

Well if ya don't learn something new every day! :/

[marty]

100km/h is 27 metres per second i think.

funnily enough, did you know that you can legally follow someone at a speed above 70km/h, at a distance of 28 metres?.......

[ynot slow]

Some good points for and against,but I certainly do not need someone telling me riding around 45km bends at 90km is fine,or do I want to try and do it,if I happen to see it on youtube.

And yes I have sped in the car and not as often on the bike,if my wife is on speed kept to say 110km,any faster tap on ribs to slow down.We all have a brain,just some forget it when helmet goes on,and bike is started,that scares me.

[cowboyz]

There's a guy that goes around the country who checks to make sure the distance is correct by pacing them out ;).

always wondered what you do for a living.

[beyond]

You, marty, beyond and many others are all part of Motorcycling's cancer.

Aww mate, that's real rough :(

I've had cancer cut out but didn't think I was actually "cancer"
Maybe the surgeon should have just shot me in the head then?

[Bonez]

always wondered what you do for a living.No no I count and measure fence posts and poles...............

[cowboyz]

Aww mate, that's real rough :(

I've had cancer cut out but didn't think I was actually "cancer"
Maybe the surgeon should have just shot me in the head then?

you should be more concerned that you are lumbered in the same boat as me. ...

[Bonez]

you should be more concerned that you are lumbered in the same boat as me. ...That is a worry.

Whens the next vid? Hey put the camera on Gerble and we could do a slow vid just to balance things a bit. Might be a bit shacky though.................

[Mom]

You, marty, beyond and many others are all part of Motorcycling's cancer.

That is a disgusting thing to say.

Cancer has got nothing to do with riding a bike, it kills people in long, slow, painful, increments. At least on a bike you have a better than average chance of dying quickly.

Pull it in mate, that one bites close to the bone for me and no doubt many others on this site.

[cowboyz]

That is a worry.

Whens the next vid? Hey put the camera on Gerble and we could do a slow vid just to balance things a bit. Might be a bit shacky though.................

I would put it on the honda but a little afriad it might fall off - like everything else. Its not as rubust as a thermos (for instance)

[Bonez]

I would put it on the honda but a little afriad it might fall off - like everything else. Its not as rubust as a thermos (for instance)Good point. We could put on my helmet. No I fall off too don't I? Oh well, must be something we can do to help Katmans cause?

[Elysium]

I would put it on the honda but a little afriad it might fall off - like everything else. Its not as rubust as a thermos (for instance)
But the video will be nice and clear and you will actualy be able to take in the scenery :scooter:

[98tls]

What gets me is most of the vids are farkin boring and i cant see the point of bothering,my grandmother could ride whatever bike you chose to mention down roads with only the odd semblance of a corner at whatever speed you choose to name,boring shite.Why not make a vid on a decent bit of road,the rear view of a Busa or anything else on a might as well be straight road is :yawn:

[piston broke]

shite,i don't really know where to start.
katman it's good to have someone on here that points out the odd silly thing,i appreciate where you are comming from.
i watched your example(marty's vid).
lol when you say you know what sorta speed the bus is doin at those sorta rev's,you been there eh?
it's hard to tell the speed from the vid,but it seemed like a nicely controled ride.did it even get near redline?
sure it may have been a little fast,but the road had very little trafic on it,the ideal time to have a little blowout if thats what you need.
if others watch vid's and think they can do as well or better,then darwin will sort it.they certainly don't make me ride any faster than comfortable

[cowboyz]

because it wouldnt get past the katman scruiteeneering.

Get ready for the influx of slow scenic videos.

[beyond]

Oii! I can do slow scenic videos. Check mine out. Loverly scenery :)

[cowboyz]

Oii! I can do slow scenic videos. Check mine out. Loverly scenery :)

your right!

I particularly like the 5th tree on the right. It looks awesome.

[Katman]

Well, by my rough calculations I'd say there were a number of times the speed was in excess of 160kph.

[Bonez]

Well, by my rough calculations I'd say there were a number of times the speed was in excess of 160kph.Wow! That slow ah?

[cowboyz]

HOLY FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am shocked!!

[SARGE]

"'Internet tough guy' would have been more entertaining. :-P

In real life Sarge sounds like the guy pictured in his avatar - after 10 years smoking Rothmans unfiltered and drinking Budweiser in a tough bar in the Philippines.

Direct - but you always know where you stand." If he tops that off with actually being American then I've got the image in my head :) fishin in my rayglass all tuesday niiiight

ask around funboy..

yes i am a bloody yank.. USMC Combat Vet..big scary fucker and all around man of mystery

dont like me?.. dont care.. use your ignore button just like i do.. i sleep like a baby every night

[98tls]

To be honest it just makes the vid even more boring.:angry:and more "why bother".

[cowboyz]

ask around funboy..

yes i am a bloody yank.. USMC Combat Vet..big scary fucker and all around man of mystery

dont like me?.. dont care.. use your ignore button just like i do.. i sleep like a baby every night

What? Spend half the night screaming and wake up with shit in your pants?

[Bonez]

To be honest it just makes the vid even more boring.:angry:and more "why bother".Think of it as a learning tool. Shows people what not to do.

[98tls]

What? Spend half the night screaming and wake up with shit in your pants? Marines eat shit.............if it wakes em up.

[cowboyz]

To be honest it just makes the vid even more boring.:angry:and more "why bother".

well getting back to serious for a second to answer the "why bother"

I make videos of other riding because others like to see what they are doing on the bike. I have a heap of videos.. Alot I dont post.

Some from learner riders who can then look back and see what I am referring to when I talk about position on the road and watching out for hazards. Others I take video of a few months apart to see if they are riding more confidently or learning anything along the way.

It just so happens I posted a video of 2 of us 'playing' right about when Katman decided to complain about videos. Talk about bad timing!

[SARGE]

What? Spend half the night screaming and wake up with shit in your pants?

crawl in my head for a few hours Cowpoke.. you would too..

[Headbanger]

Well, by my rough calculations I'd say there were a number of times the speed was in excess of 160kph.

I don't think that even qualifies as speeding does it?

[98tls]

well getting back to serious for a second to answer the "why bother"

I make videos of other riding because others like to see what they are doing on the bike. I have a heap of videos.. Alot I dont post.

Some from learner riders who can then look back and see what I am referring to when I talk about position on the road and watching out for hazards. Others I take video of a few months apart to see if they are riding more confidently or learning anything along the way.

It just so happens I posted a video of 2 of us 'playing' right about when Katman decided to complain about videos. Talk about bad timing! Fair call,nice of you to take the time i guess,me im old and set in my ways,rarely ride with anyone but the few ive ridden with for years and if theres a learner about fuck em they can sort it out same way i did,didnt do me any harm.

[98tls]

I don't think that even qualifies as speeding does it?
Not on that road anyways,Katman has a point about driveways though.Only gets bad when the chances are turn to chances is,up to the individual i guess.

[PrincessBandit]

...
sure it may have been a little fast,but the road had very little trafic on it,the ideal time to have a little blowout if thats what you need...


As long as the little blowout is not of the tyre variety eh? :doh:

[Bonez]

Fair call,nice of you to take the time i guess,me im old and set in my ways,rarely ride with anyone but the few ive ridden with for years and if theres a learner about fuck em they can sort it out same way i did,didnt do me any harm.Some of us take a totally different attitude if we have a learner riding with us. There's this thing called karma you see............

Not unlike a grumpy ol sarge keeping an eye out for your underlings knowing they may need to pull you out of a bind at some stage in the future.

[wbks]

ask around funboy..

yes i am a bloody yank.. USMC Combat Vet..big scary fucker and all around man of mystery

dont like me?.. dont care.. use your ignore button just like i do.. i sleep like a baby every nightChillout mate, was just calling it as I saw it:love: I've got a lot of american family so your antics are no surprise to me<_<
haha Never said I don't like you, just found your post ironic

[98tls]

Some of us take a totally different attitude if we have a learner riding with us. There's this thing called karma you see............ Again fair call,i just choose not to do it,not saying i havent but.As for Karma i am old enough to have worked that out years ago.Like i say good on ya.

[piston broke]

bring on another red,lol
160k's is fek all in the scheme of things,i will happily ride at that'tho poor ol daisy don't do much better.
right place right time.
kat you work in a bike shop i think,are there many bikes that don't do more than 100k's.
if you're being as safe as poss,i.e little traffic,then what the hey.
shite most newish bikes stop on a dime anyway don't they.
peeps just need to know their limits,and be prepared for the unexpected!!!
RIDE YOUR OWN RIDE.

[Elysium]

Some of us take a totally different attitude if we have a learner riding with us. There's this thing called karma you see............

Correct. Everyone rides and learns differently. We were all learners at one point.

[Katman]

I don't think that even qualifies as speeding does it?

Dunno, shall we ask marty if you'd lose your license for it?

(And my calculation of 160 is a very conversative estimate).

[SARGE]

Chillout mate, was just calling it as I saw it:love: I've got a lot of american family so your antics are no surprise to me<_<
haha Never said I don't like you, just found your post ironic

fair enough..

ask any of the old seniour members about me mate.. im an old school grizzly bear and i call very few people friends. the ones i DO call friends know that i mean it

[Bonez]

Correct. Everyone rides and learns differently. We were all learners at one point.I'm still learning mate. It's nice to see others progress in confidence/ability over the years. Some of us oldies can learn a bit from noobs at times believe it or not.

[Headbanger]

Dunno, shall we ask Marty if you'd lose your license for it?

(And my calculation of 160 is a very conservative estimate).

Never heard of him.

[Mom]

fair enough..

ask any of the old seniour members about me mate.. im an old school grizzly bear and i call very few people friends. the ones i DO call friends know that i mean it

I heard tell you are a grumpy old bugger sarge :sunny:

nice to see you back posting a bit here and there too!

[Patrick]

Dont worry cowboyz i got the same deal plus a suspended licence. After a beautiful weekend of track daying a cop went and spoiled it all. One question ....... how many cops use kiwibiker website for personal use ?????????

Personal use? Me!!!

Work use? Maybe... Only so I could make sure I was on the other side of town when a ride is on and I am working.....


.... 'Hidden dangers' dont happen 10 feet in front of you. they happen 300m away and a 'safe' rider will make note of them long before they get to it and react accordingly.

Gotta take issue here on this one... It is why it is called a hidden danger - it can spring up 10 feet in front of ya.

I know of a Roadking getting surprised by a kid leaping out of a ditch, Both ended up in hospital but the kid was worse off...) a wild boar trotting out of the bush right in front of another biker, not to mention the odd hawk scoffing out on roadkill, camoflaged in the long grass.... just to name a few.....

[quickbuck]

Correct. Everyone rides and learns differently. We were all learners at one point.

Correction: We all still are......

Edit: As I see my mate Bonez said (posted this before finishing thread).

[98tls]

Personal use? Me!!!

Work use? Maybe... Only so I could make sure I was on the other side of town when a ride is on and I am working.....



Gotta take issue here on this one... It is why it is called a hidden danger - it can spring up 10 feet in front of ya.

I know of a Roadking getting surprised by a kid leaping out of a ditch, Both ended up in hospital but the kid was worse off...) a wild boar trotting out of the bush right in front of another biker, not to mention the odd hawk scoffing out on roadkill, camoflaged in the long grass.... just to name a few..... For no other reason that your post reminded me of a moment,having fun on a twisty backwater road in the distance saw a tractor,no problem i thought and went about preparing to go round it,my prep turned to shite when i saw that it was towing the widest set of discs ive ever seen in my life:blink:

[quickbuck]

I know of a Roadking getting surprised by a kid leaping out of a ditch, Both ended up in hospital but the kid was worse off...) a wild boar trotting out of the bush right in front of another biker, not to mention the odd hawk scoffing out on roadkill, camoflaged in the long grass.... just to name a few.....

I know of a GSX600 Katana rider that got stained underwear after a goat jumped out of a ditch 10 metres in front of him north of Tauramanui beside the waterfalls... Knew the road really well, but there was this one occasion that it could have all gone pear shaped......

Okay, I may have been there... and I was under the speed limit...
Lesson is, it could have been too fast for the hidden danger.

[Bonez]

Gotta take issue here on this one... It is why it is called a hidden danger - it can spring up 10 feet in front of ya.

I know of a Roadking getting surprised by a kid leaping out of a ditch, Both ended up in hospital but the kid was worse off...) a wild boar trotting out of the bush right in front of another biker, not to mention the odd hawk scoffing out on roadkill, camoflaged in the long grass.... just to name a few.....I'm with you on that.

They don't have to be hidden or you "speeding" either. Had a blind dog decide to run in front of me when I was at only travlling at about 10kph. Could easily have broken a bone or two, even been knocked out if I'd dropped the bike.

[cowboyz]

Gotta take issue here on this one... It is why it is called a hidden danger - it can spring up 10 feet in front of ya.

I know of a Roadking getting surprised by a kid leaping out of a ditch, Both ended up in hospital but the kid was worse off...) a wild boar trotting out of the bush right in front of another biker, not to mention the odd hawk scoffing out on roadkill, camoflaged in the long grass.... just to name a few.....

the point I was making was paying attention to what is happening around you.

I am constantly surprised at the ammount of 'i went into a corner and gravel just appeared'
There is always an exception to the rule but in alot of cases, paying attention to where your bike is going to be in the time it takes to stop will avoid the hidden part of the hidden danger.

[piston broke]

shit CAN happen at any speed.
a neck can be broken fallin off a chair.
we just have to be as careful as the conditions allow.
2 k's faster and the goat and blind dog wouldn't have even got to the road.
k seraa seraa(so)

[Katman]

A perfect example is the driveway being passed at 4'09''.

The road curves slightly to the left and goes up over a slight brow. Immediately before the driveway is a hedge and then a stand of trees. I refuse to believe that marty had a clear view of the driveway or that anyone coming out of the driveway would have a clear view of a very rapidly approaching motorcycle.

It's this sort of shit that kills motorcyclists.

[98tls]

Try riding an old Slapper like mine,could well be a surprise 1/2 way round any bend at any speed:wari:just the way i like it.:love:

[Bonez]

shit CAN happen at any speed.
a neck can be broken fallin off a chair.
we just have to be as careful as the conditions allow.
2 k's faster and the goat and blind dog wouldn't have even got to the road.
k seraa seraa(so)The dog was already on the road hence my reduced speed. I didn't know it was blind, no white cane you see. That was the hidden surprise.

[Headbanger]

For no other reason that your post reminded me of a moment,having fun on a twisty backwater road in the distance saw a tractor,no problem i thought and went about preparing to go round it,my prep turned to shite when i saw that it was towing the widest set of discs ive ever seen in my life:blink:

Done something similar, Out on a country road, having a barrel of fun, see a tractor a few hundred metres ahead, no worries, I hold my speed, get closer, notice he is towing a freaking ute,no worries, Nearly caught up with him, just as I wind her on to pass he pulls out onto the opposite side of the road and passes another bigger tractor, I had just wound the old cow up, the road has disappeared and I'm about to go under the back of a ute being towed by a damn tractor doing 15km/h.

So, Its back of tractor A with mean mowing attachment, Back of Tractor B towing ute, or Plan C, Off the brakes, hit the gas and power the HD though the roadside ditch and back onto the road in front of the tractors, The drivers of which are having a chat to each other as they block the entire road, As I spit the dummy swearing like fuck, giving them the finger and shaking my fist they both look a little bemused by the twit on the bike who suddenly appeared and give me a friendly wave...

That's the thing about country folk, Friendly to a fault.

[Patrick]

I'm with you on that.

They don't have to be hidden or you "speeding" either. Had a blind dog decide to run in front of me when I was at only travlling at about 10kph. Could easily have broken a bone or two, even been knocked out if I'd dropped the bike.

So thats what happened to ya on that Whangamomona ride last season Bonez? :sunny:


the point I was making was paying attention to what is happening around you.

I am constantly surprised at the ammount of 'i went into a corner and gravel just appeared'
There is always an exception to the rule but in alot of cases, paying attention to where your bike is going to be in the time it takes to stop will avoid the hidden part of the hidden danger.

And a good point too... the point I was making is - "There is always an exception to the rule..." You just never know when that exception will up and bite ya.

[98tls]

Done something similar, Out on a country road, having a barrel of fun, see a tractor a few hundred metres ahead, no worries, I hold my speed, get closer, notice he is towing a freaking ute,no worries, Nearly caught up with him, just as I wind her on to pass he pulls out onto the opposite side of the road and passes another bigger tractor, I had just wound the old cow up, the road has disappeared and I'm about to go under the back of a ute being towed by a damn tractor doing 15km/h.

So, Its back of tractor A with mean mowing attachment, Back of Tractor B towing ute, or Plan C, Off the brakes, hit the gas and power the HD though the roadside ditch and back onto the road in front of the tractors, The drivers of which are having a chat to each other as they block the entire road, As I spit the dummy swearing like fuck, giving them the finger and shaking my fist they both look a little bemused by the twit on the bike who suddenly appeared and give me a friendly wave...

That's the thing about country folk, Friendly to a fault. :banana:Nice,had me flinching as i read it,can imagine they said wtf as you went passed and carried on dicussing the price of nuts.

[Headbanger]

:banana:Nice,had me flinching as i read it,can imagine they said wtf as you went passed and carried on dicussing the price of nuts.

I'm convinced they never noticed a thing until I was riding in front of them yelling abuse.And they had no idea why I was upset or where I came from.

Sure as hell didn't look in his mirror before pulling a passing manoeuvre that would have blocked the road for a good 1km. Thought my eyes were playing tricks on me when one funky big arse tractor suddenly became two.

[Bonez]

So thats what happened to ya on that Whangamomona ride last season Bonez? :sunny: No. Still haven't figured that one out.

Nice day, nice road, then THUMP!!!

[98tls]

I'm convinced they never noticed a thing until I was riding in front of them yelling abuse.And they had no idea why I was upset or where I came from.

Be proud mate,come a summers evening sittin on the porch they probably sing a song titled "ahh saw the lord".

[quickbuck]

shit CAN happen at any speed.
a neck can be broken fallin off a chair.
we just have to be as careful as the conditions allow.
2 k's faster and the goat and blind dog wouldn't have even got to the road.
k seraa seraa(so)


Ummm, a couple of k faster and I would have cut the goat in half.. at best....

You are right though, it isn't about the speed really, it is about the timing....
I did have a dog run between my front wheel and my fairing on my CBR400 once.... We both lived.

Yeah, Key Seraa Seraa....

[marty]

A perfect example is the driveway being passed at 4'09''.

The road curves slightly to the left and goes up over a slight brow. Immediately before the driveway is a hedge and then a stand of trees. I refuse to believe that marty had a clear view of the driveway or that anyone coming out of the driveway would have a clear view of a very rapidly approaching motorcycle.

It's this sort of shit that kills motorcyclists.

luckily i don't have to prove or justify anything to you, however, at said driveway, as the road is green from being constantly wet and covered in pine needles, and there always being stones across the road at that point, and you can see the driveway from the approach to the crest, i'll take it at a speed appropriate to the information i have at the time.

i tell you what, if i crash, you can say 'i told you so'

BTW, Scotsman Valley is 7.5km long. i usually roll it in a casual 4-5 minutes.

[98tls]

luckily i don't have to prove or justify anything to you, however, at said driveway, as the road is green from being constantly wet and covered in pine needles, and there always being stones across the road at that point, and you can see the driveway from the approach to the crest, i'll take it at a speed appropriate to the information i have at the time.

i tell you what, if i crash, you can say 'i told you so' In the meantime how about one on a real tight twisty road marty,seems a great recording set-up you have,havent ridden up your way but there must be some twisty stuff,on a Busa it would provide some nice rear end action.

[piston broke]

A perfect example is the driveway being passed at 4'09''.

The road curves slightly to the left and goes up over a slight brow. Immediately before the driveway is a hedge and then a stand of trees. I refuse to believe that marty had a clear view of the driveway or that anyone coming out of the driveway would have a clear view of a very rapidly approaching motorcycle.

It's this sort of shit that kills motorcyclists.

and how many seconds of the day is that driveway used?
the faster a bike goes past it lessens the chance of someone coming out of it:innocent::yes:

[marty]

In the meantime how about one on a real tight twisty road marty,seems a great recording set-up you have,havent ridden up your way but there must be some twisty stuff,on a Busa it would provide some nice rear end action.

i just ride what i ride - if twisty stuff comes my way then so be it, otherwise i'm usually going somewhere. i don't make videos just to appease KB. the scotsmans valley one was taken on the way to flying at whitianga - there's a flying video i took on the same day somewhere too.

[BarBender]

These serve no purpose other than to encourage new motorcycle riders to think "Fuck, I bet I could do that road just as fast".
I can hear the answers already.........
"I'm trying to showcase New Zealands natural beauty" - bullshit, you'd go slower.
"You're never going to stop new rider from being idiots" - maybe, but we sure as fuck don't need to encourage them.

On the odd occassion I've given you the benefit of the doubt.
But this time, what I thought was a promising start has unfortunately gone nowhere...

Largely because you have this complete inability to keep your comments from being personal. And when the shit hits the fan, you run and hide and on the odd occassion will apologise in private or show yourself in public to be a nice guy.

I dont buy it. In this thread alone you doubt the maturity of those who post 'said' videos and then compare them to cancer while simultaneously describing the nature of those who watch them as credulous.

And now your talking about the distance between powerpoles???

You're not a sledgehammer.
You're the coward in the clocktower with the snipers rifle.

[98tls]

i just ride what i ride - if twisty stuff comes my way then so be it, otherwise i'm usually going somewhere. i don't make videos just to appease KB. the scotsmans valley one was taken on the way to flying at whitianga - there's a flying video i took on the same day somewhere too. Yea fair call,i came across a guy over on the coast awhile back on a Busa and we did the staircase from Fox and over the hill,bloody riot it was and on the other side when we stopped he couldnt get the silly grin off his face.:laugh:

[Swoop]

I get your point Katman people may be influenced be these guys doing crazy speeds,wheelies etc but they cant be all be that easily influenced as Im sure they dont all rush out in their undies and dance on a moving car, now that takes balls:yes:
I have yet to see an outbreak, on the open road, of two guys on a bike trying to snatch a sausage in the mouth...
Perhaps kataflam's prophesy has yet to come true?

You, marty, beyond and many others are all part of Motorcycling's cancer.
Ahh. Another gem that gives you the deserved reputation that you enjoy. Keep up the ,<STRIKE>good</STRIKE> work.

Gotta take issue here on this one... It is why it is called a hidden danger - it can spring up 10 feet in front of ya.

I know of a Roadking getting surprised by a kid leaping out of a ditch, a wild boar trotting out of the bush right in front of another biker, not to mention the odd hawk scoffing out on roadkill, camoflaged in the long grass.... just to name a few.....
Don't forget "trees"!
Not only a hazard to lightning, but also for bikers...:whistle:

[Katman]

I stand by the "cancer" comment.

Those riders who choose to flagrantly display an irresponsible attitude towards the safety of themselves and others are all part of the slow and insidious decay of the freedom of Motorcycling as we know it.

Which brings me back to the whole video thing.

They are nothing but a "look at the size of my cock" statement.

[Mom]

I hope you never have a loved one die a cancer death mate. Appalling similie.

[Katman]

I hope you never have a loved one die a cancer death mate. Appalling similie.

Been there already Mom.

[beyond]

Yea fair call,i came across a guy over on the coast awhile back on a Busa and we did the staircase from Fox and over the hill,bloody riot it was and on the other side when we stopped he couldnt get the silly grin off his face.:laugh:

That silly grin. Great when it happens. I think that's what it's all about mate :)

[Katman]

That silly grin.

Just don't go confusing it with that grimace of agony that I've already mentioned.

[beyond]

I stand by the "cancer" comment.

Those riders who choose to flagrantly display an irresponsible attitude towards the safety of themselves and others are all part of the slow and insidious decay of the freedom of Motorcycling as we know it.

Which brings me back to the whole video thing.

They are nothing but a "look at the size of my cock" statement.

Hiya peeps,

I've had a real shit week. I've worked my arse off and have now just finished a few wines to help me mellow out for the evening so if I say anything here contrary to character please take it with a grain of salt.

Some people ride real slow, others ride sort of "okay" others ride quick and their are those who ride real fast and there are those that ride like....well.... "bloody idiots"

I'm not a bloody idiot. Hell my bike won't pop a wheelie at 180kmh though sometimes I wish it would, The feeling of the front rising when you pump the gas is kind of addictive :)

95% of riders ride to their abilities and the conditions. The pure and simple message is non of us want to die riding our bikes and we all want to come home again after a ride.

We all have people that care a lot about us and the last thing they would want is to see us not come back froma ride. Safety is paramount. Those of us who can afford it wear the latest and best gear and all of us make sure our bikes are safe and up to the task.

Non of us can count on living another minute except by the grace of God. We all push the boundaries when we ride a bike. The human frame was never designed to do more than 20kmh cos that's how fast we can run for any length of time.

We can sit on a bus, a tractor, a plane, a jet ski, skis, hang glider, walk down stairs, cross the road, fall out of bed and our lives could be over in an instant.

If we think that every minute we could die we would never ride a bike of course but we would also never get out of bed.

Live for once mate!!!!!!!!!

No one knows how many minutes are alloted to us in life.... no one knows just how long we may or may not live. Everyone I know that rides loves riding and all of them never exceed their own perosnal limits whatever they may be. Some may seem to others to take foolhardy risks and do dum things when in their own minds they know exactly what they are doing and have every contingency covered.

One day that satellite might fall out of the sky and crush you where you stand. A block of ice may crush you while you sleep in your bed, the neighbours bull might charge through the ranch slider where you sleep and squash you snoring in your bed but hell, we gotta live and sometimes we need some stress relief.

We can't live our lives wrapped up in cotton wool. Shit, I never had a bike helmet when I was young and playgrounds never had rubber and we were allowed outside to play and I'm still here at nearly 52.

Love life. Get on with it. It's full of risks no matter what we do.
Newbies will be newbies and will do whatever they do and bloody well won't listen to someone who might know better.

Ok, I'm done. I'll get my coat on the way out.

[SARGE]

reason#346 why i dont video my rides...


http://www.carzi.com/2007/08/14/police-question-enzo-owner-about-video/

[Katman]

reason#346 why i dont video my rides...


I'm sure Marty is reassessing the sensibility of posting questionable videos.

[SARGE]

I'm sure Marty is reassessing the sensibility of posting questionable videos.

meh.... Darwinism..

[Elysium]

Show some love Katman, you hate too much.

[SixPackBack]

I stand by the "cancer" comment.

Those riders who choose to flagrantly display an irresponsible attitude towards the safety of themselves and others are all part of the slow and insidious decay of the freedom of Motorcycling as we know it.

Which brings me back to the whole video thing.

They are nothing but a "look at the size of my cock" statement.

Interesting analogy.

You have had more than your say on the subject of video riding yet continue to regurgitate the same tired story.

No question your grandstanding, trolling and constant derision is a pathetic attempt for attention-it is you katman who wishes the entire [mostly male] KB site look at the size of your E-cock.

And dude it looks pretty dam small.

[Katman]

Show some love Katman, you hate too much.

Fuck love. Too many motorcyclists seem hell bent on robbing me of everything I love about Motorcycling.

[Elysium]

Fuck love. Too many motorcyclists seem hell bent on robbing me of everything I love about Motorcycling.
You're starting to sound like Jeremy Clarkson.

[beyond]

Fuck love. Too many motorcyclists seem hell bent on robbing me of everything I love about Motorcycling.

Steve, I think you are taking things way to seriously.
Relax mate. People will always do what people do. You just can't change that fact.
Enjoy your motorcycling. Others can't detract from that. Chill mate and enjoy your rides and do like a duck. Let the worlds problems slide off your back or you will pop your boiler :)

[wbks]

What do you mean robbing you of what you love about motorcycling?

[Katman]

Bullshit Paul.

It's those who quite happily snub their noses at what should be considered responsible behaviour that are threatening the future of what we all here supposedly love.

It won't be long, at the current rate, before the government turn around and say "Fuck you lot, no motorcycle over 600ccs can be registered in NZ".

Don't think it could happen? Look at the anti smoking laws, the boy racer laws, the anti smacking laws. The government will do as they see fit.

[beyond]

Bullshit Paul.

It's those who quite happily snub their noses at what should be considered responsible behaviour that are threatening the future of what we all here supposedly love.

It won't be long, at the current rate, before the government turn around and say "Fuck you lot, no motorcycle over 600ccs can be registered in NZ".

Don't think it could happen? Look at the anti smoking laws, the boy racer laws, the anti smacking laws. The government will do as they see fit.


Not if we all stand up against the nanny state and social engineering and tell the wankers where to go. Democracy may be dead but if we all stood up and were counted then things could be changed. There are way too many pigs snorting at the public trough.

Responsible behaviour? As I said, some ride faster than others and always think they are responsible where others will look and think they are lunatics.

It's all relative and so is life.

[Katman]

Not if we all stand up against the nanny state and social engineering and tell the wankers where to go. Democracy may be dead but if we all stood up and were counted then things could be changed. Their are way too many pigs snorting at the public trough.



Are you for fucking real?

What percentage of NZ's public do you think motorcyclists make up?

We need a whole lot more support than just from motorcyclists before we have the slightest hope of being taken seriously by the government.

[beyond]

Are you for fucking real?

What percentage of NZ's public do you think motorcyclists make up?

We need a whole lot more support than just from motorcyclists before we have the slightest hope of being taken seriously by the government.

I'm not just talking bikers.
I know that if we want to change the status quo than everyone of us who is concerned about liberty and life needs to stand up and be counted. I'm not that naive. :)

[Katman]

I'm not just talking bikers.
I know that if we want to change the status quo than everyone of us who is concerned about liberty and life needs to stand up and be counted. I'm not that naive. :)

You're still joking right?

The general public think we're a bunch of fucking clowns who deserve everything we get.

Do you honestly think they give a fuck about motorcyclists "liberty and life"?

[beyond]

You're still joking right?

The general public think we're a bunch of fucking clowns who deserve everything we get.

Do you think they give a fuck about motorcyclists "liberty and life"?

Not what I said. I said not just bikers but all people in this country concerned about freedom. Except the typical Kiwi attitude is "she'll be right" so we haven't a hope in hell anyway.

[SARGE]

Are you for fucking real?

What percentage of NZ's public do you think motorcyclists make up?

.

easy enough to check .. either look at the number of class 6 licenses or number of registered m/c's

[Headbanger]

This thread sucks, anyone got some riding vids they can recommend?

[beyond]

This thread sucks, anyone got some riding vids they can recommend?


I'm working on some mate :)

[McJim]

Yup.

Here you go. http://www.youtube.com/user/NZMcJim

Unfotunately they are all "look how slow I ride" videos coz I am a safe rider riding a bike less than 600cc as prescribed by Katman's gubbermint and not one of these hooligans on an IL4 1100cc small penis compensator :Pokey: :rofl:

The scenery is really nice though.....

[Katman]

Not what I said. I said not just bikers but all people in this country concerned about freedom.

Ok, I'll spell it out because you seem a little slow on the uptake.

T.H.E. G.E.N.E.R.A.L. P.U.B.L.I.C. D.O.N'.T. G.I.V.E. A. F.U.C.K. A.B.O.U.T. M.O.T.O.R.C.Y.C.L.I.S.T.S. F.R.E.E.D.O.M.

Clear enough?

[cowboyz]

and not one of these hooligans on an IL4 1100cc small penis compensator :Pokey: :rofl:


so pleased I ride a IL4 900. Hate to think I was compensating for something............

[jrandom]

hooligans on an IL4 1100cc small penis compensator

<img src="http://i34.tinypic.com/24w81a9.jpg"/>

He'll be back.

[jrandom]

T.H.E. G.E.N.E.R.A.L. P.U.B.L.I.C. D.O.N'.T. G.I.V.E. A. F.U.C.K. A.B.O.U.T. M.O.T.O.R.C.Y.C.L.I.S.T.S. F.R.E.E.D.O.M.

Clear enough?

You missed an apostrophe.

[Katman]

He'll be back.

Ya reckon?

:msn-wink:

[cowboyz]

what does obdurance mean?

[Katman]

what does obdurance mean?

Can anyone spell Dictionary?

[roy.nz]

Are you for fucking real?

What percentage of NZ's public do you think motorcyclists make up?

We need a whole lot more support than just from motorcyclists before we have the slightest hope of being taken seriously by the government.

Yip all rego'd bikes on NZ roads only make up 8% so we need tons of other support to even be looked at :girlfight:

[stify]

Ok, I'll spell it out because you seem a little slow on the uptake.

T.H.E. G.E.N.E.R.A.L. P.U.B.L.I.C. D.O.N'.T. G.I.V.E. A. F.U.C.K. A.B.O.U.T. M.O.T.O.R.C.Y.C.L.I.S.T.S. F.R.E.E.D.O.M.

Clear enough?

who are these general public people?, am i one when i'm in the car?, or at the bar?, or in a plane or riding in a train?.....dead argument really

[roy.nz]

who are these general public people?, am i one when i'm in the car?, or at the bar?, or in a plane or riding in a train?.....dead argument really

The general public is the one's who have never riden or even sat on a bike and just seem to never see us.
Katman i think you've got it spot on.
One way to get the public to notice us is with ever car licence issued they need to either apply for a bike licence or be taken on a ride that has filtering as part of it then they'l notice us and there stupidity. :2guns: :done:

[stify]

The general public is the one's who have never riden or even sat on a bike and just seem to never see us.


so they're not the "general public" that make comments like "nice bike" when you pull up somewhere then.....

[Katman]

so they're not the "general public" that make comments like "nice bike" when you pull up somewhere then.....

No, they're probably gay.

[stify]

No, they're probably gay.

ok that covers that then, so any member of the "general public" that makes a coment about bikes in general is gay then...glad thats settled

[wbks]

Thats a bonus to watch if its a female complementing your bike

[roy.nz]

Stify stop being a stify and trying to be shitty bout the post you know what everyone is on about and i think you are just trying to have a stir and making yourself sound like an idiot. And yeah they can say nice bike when you pull up somewhere but do they say nice bike when they pull in front of you while doing 110 on the motorway and say sorry didn't see ya ??? :girlfight:

Anyone know where i can get a radar dector from besides the rip off's at radar direct?? :argh:

[puddy]

so they're not the "general public" that make comments like "nice bike" when you pull up somewhere then.....
Better that they say that, rather than "Small dick then?!":shit: (due to McJim's IL4 theory!)

[stify]

Stify stop being a stify i think you are just trying to have a stir and making yourself sound like an idiot.


oh dear oh dear, gee you're hurting my feelings now:motu:

[owner]

Katman, I think every fallen rider that is ever talkd about or thought of has more of an effect on us hoons then you ever will.
I dont mind if the public hates me either, they are welcome to.
Why dont you spend time talking about close calls that you experience not the ones you imagine .

For instance. I get into trouble when I relax and start thinking about things other than surviving this journey

I haven't driven a car in months. I drove one home yesterday and for the first time I actually thought I am safer on a bike then driving a car.

And yeah stify stop being a stify!:Pokey:

[roy.nz]

O im sorry stify :no:

Man dont talk bout close calls i have at least 3 a week trying to survive from constelation to green lane west. Maybe i should stop filtering? Na not me i cant sit in the traffic.
And to the guy on the DRZ 400 this morning thanks for the good ride. :clap:

[stify]

O im sorry stify :no:

Man dont talk bout close calls i have at least 3 a week trying to survive from constelation to green lane west. Maybe i should stop filtering? Na not me i cant sit in the traffic.
And to the guy on the DRZ 400 this morning thanks for the good ride. :clap:

gee with so many close calls.... maybe you should catch a bus with the general public then...:Pokey:

[stify]

And yeah stify stop being a stify!:Pokey:

just can't help myself sometimes..:blink:

[owner]

These serve no purpose other than to encourage new motorcycle riders to think "Fuck, I bet I could do that road just as fast".

I can hear the answers already.........

"I'm trying to showcase New Zealands natural beauty" - bullshit, you'd go slower.

"You're never going to stop new rider from being idiots" - maybe, but we sure as fuck don't need to encourage them.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Ide0NFj9arU

[cowboyz]

O im sorry stify :no:

Man dont talk bout close calls i have at least 3 a week trying to survive from constelation to green lane west.
that says alot more about your riding than the publics lack of interest in your safety.

Can anyone spell Dictionary?
its not in my dictionary. I did look it up.

[roy.nz]

I dont think my riding is bad at all when filtering if the traffic is moving at 50 i'l b going 60.Its also i just think i've got bad luck. And on a few of the times the driver of the car has made eye contact with me in there mirror, so i dont think its my riding. Feel free to come cruise with me and you'l see but make sure its a weekend bast and a monday morning ride through traffic to work.
But anyway peace out and enjoy the beautiful weathered friday :rockon:

[Mom]

its not in my dictionary. I did look it up.

Not your fault, someone cant spell is all...



Definition
obdurate Show phonetics
adjective

1 FORMAL DISAPPROVING extremely determined to act in a particular way and not to change despite argument or persuasion:
The President remains obdurate on the question of tax cuts.

2 FORMAL describes a person who refuses to change their mind, or someone or something that is difficult to deal with or change:
The union remains obdurate that any redundancies must be voluntary.
Several obdurate facts/differences remain, preventing a compromise solution.

[Swoop]

It won't be long, at the current rate, before the government turn around and say "Fuck you lot, no motorcycle over 600ccs can be registered in NZ".

Don't think it could happen? Look at the anti smoking laws, the boy racer laws, the anti smacking laws. The government will do as they see fit.
Guess what. They formed the laws because of small, vocal, reactionary people bleated long and hard about a topic...
The "cause" you are championing is possibly going to do more harm than good.

[Katman]

The "cause" you are championing is possibly going to do more harm than good.

How do you figure that out?

[nodrog]

i went for a ride lastnight, it was fun.

[BarBender]

How do you figure that out?

I think he maybe summising that the jaw bone of an ass may be as dangerous a weapon now as it was in Sampson's time.

[marty]

I'm sure Marty is reassessing the sensibility of posting questionable videos.

I'm sure you're actually a reasonable guy, but I don't make half the assumptions about you that you seem to make about me. I reassess things based on my own experiences, not because you think it would be a good idea.

[Katman]

I'm sure you're actually a reasonable guy, but I don't make half the assumptions about you that you seem to make about me. I reassess things based on my own experiences, not because you think it would be a good idea.

Alright marty, rather than me relying on my assumptions I'll ask you straight out.

Are you a cop?

[Swoop]

How do you figure that out?
Sheesh.
If you had to ask, you'll never get the reasoning.
Back to your hobbyhorse.