Stung by quota-filling bitch on my noob plate

[Lurch]

Obviously the guy doing 130 in front of me was far too much effort for the plain clothes cop that pulled me over for doing 103 fucking km/h whilst displaying my L plate.

It seriously makes me think about taking it off if it's just gonna make me a target for evening traffic quota filling. :angry2:

She quoted me some some statistics to make me feel guilty and I nodded my head whilst knowing that none of them were relevant to me being 30 and on a 150cc wearing high vis and full gear.

Thanks officer... drive safe now.

Rant over.

[Swampdonkey]

One of those days aye...they give me the shits to.

[Hitcher]

Rant over.

At more than 30kmh over your "limit", you're lucky she didn't make you walk home.

[Matt_TG]

33 km/h over your learner's limit aye? Slow down speed demon. Pay your fine. Wlecome to KB.

[BiK3RChiK]

Feel for ya mate! That's gotta suck! Stupid law that one!:2guns:

[Lurch]

I wouldn't mind the 70 limit so much if it was actually possible to travel between Wellington and Hutt valley without being basically forced into travelling at 100. Unless I was on the cycle path theres no way I would go 70 or less except under but peak traffic conditions, it would be suicide.

[98tls]

Feel for ya mate though will add its not the coppers that make the laws they just get paid to enforce them and sometimes we make there job farkin easy.:pinch:

[de_wood_elf]

That's total crap. Even at 103km/h you are the slowest vehicle on the road and you get tail gated up the arse. It safer the stay with the flow of traffic than have everyone pissed off and packed up behind you.

[jtzzr]

R g`s go that fast eh...Cool , Bummer about the Revenue Gathering Slapper of John Keys.

Well you live and you learn.

[mstriumph]

hey
knowing the telling off was righteous
and knowing you were out of line
does NOT mean you aren't entitled to a little rant about it when others seem to get away with murder, people

- i know it makes ME decidely scratchy when i can get pulled over for a minor infringement in this town whilst a whole posse of outlaw bikers can not only flagrantly flout the helmet laws but can ALSO get a respectful police escort while they are riding 20 long and 3 deep along the highway doing it -

people can be forgiven for thinking that some policepersons go after the softer targets :confused:

commiserations, Lurch.

[Sketchy_Racer]

33 km/h over your learner's limit aye? Slow down speed demon. Pay your fine. Wlecome to KB.

Wrong, he wasn't breaking any speed restrictions. Only a license restriction.


At more than 30kmh over your "limit", you're lucky she didn't make you walk home.

As above. Traveling at over 70kph on a learner license is not breaking the speed limit, don't ever let a cop do you for that, all they can do you for a breaching a condition of your license which is 25 demerits and $400.


Obviously the guy doing 130 in front of me was far too much effort for the plain clothes cop that pulled me over for doing 103 fucking km/h whilst displaying my L plate.

It seriously makes me think about taking it off if it's just gonna make me a target for evening traffic quota filling. :angry2:

She quoted me some some statistics to make me feel guilty and I nodded my head whilst knowing that none of them were relevant to me being 30 and on a 150cc wearing high vis and full gear.

Thanks officer... drive safe now.

Rant over.

Gutted to hear mate, if i were you, I would ditch it. They're just attention seeking targets for cops and dick head road users.

[98tls]

hey
knowing the telling off was righteous
and knowing you were out of line
does NOT mean you aren't entitled to a little rant about it when others seem to get away with murder, people

- i know it makes ME decidely scratchy when i can get pulled over for a minor infringement in this town whilst a whole posse of outlaw bikers can not only flagrantly flout the helmet laws but can ALSO get a respectful police escort while they are riding 20 long and 3 deep along the highway doing it -

people can be forgiven for thinking that some policepersons go after the softer targets :confused:

commiserations, Lurch. Absolutly but theres no point in gettin all hot n bothered this early in his motorcycling lifetime,hes got so much more of it to come.;)

[Sketchy_Racer]

R g`s go that fast eh...Cool , Bummer about the Revenue Gathering Slapper of John Keys.

Well you live and you learn.

Are you fucking joking me? on just last week people were going on about "The Revenue Gathering Slapper of Helen Clark"

I doubt John would have even had a chance to look at that problem, in case you havn't noticed, there's more serious issues in out country that need dealing to first!

[Lurch]

BTW. First ever demerit points in 15 years of driving and first time ever pulled over on the road too. Can I hear a congrats!

[TexasDog]

feel for ya m8. i ride a hyobag 250 60kms a day to work and back on state highway 1 and i dont display my L plate because id be targeted by the :Police: and when your doing 105 staying with traffic flow in rush hour its much safer than doing 70 pissing cagers off. and the :Police: dont seem to worry you at 105 if they dont realise your on your learners.

my 10cents any ways

[CM2005]

yeah I'm worried about riding my GPZ500 850km's home on my L licence.. not going to have an L plate on, and the bike will be 250 stickered, so hopefully i dont get OWNED by the police.

[Lurch]

yeah I'm worried about riding my GPZ500 850km's home on my L licence.. not going to have an L plate on, and the bike will be 250 stickered, so hopefully i dont get OWNED by the police.

Unfortunately if they do pull you over they will see from the registration details on the computer that it's a 500 :Police:

[getafix]

I got my bike license 39 years ago whe there was no such thoing as graduated licenses, mind you I only had a 125 bsa bantam when i got my license top speed 35 mph (<60kmh)

[jtzzr]

[QUOTE=Sketchy_Racer;1816633]Are you fucking joking me?

Yes...Yes I am .

[Duke girl]

Such a bloody stupid and dangerous law learner riders only allowed to do 70k's. What speed are learner drivers allowed to do?. It just makes other road users get irrate with learner motorcyclists travelling at that speed. Isnt it about time they changed it to 100 k's then everyone who uses our roads will be happy.

[Hitcher]

This is the first occasion I have heard of The Fuzz busting an L-plater for travelling at or near the legal open road limit, and that troubles me.

[jrandom]

Obviously the guy doing 130 in front of me was far too much effort for the plain clothes cop that pulled me over for doing 103 fucking km/h whilst displaying my L plate.

Did you get the $400 and 25 demerit points, then, or just a telling off?

[Lurch]

Did you get the $400 and 25 demerit points, then, or just a telling off?

Yep I got a 400 buck fine and 25 demerit points. :angry: I wonder if I should apply for payment assistance to drip feed it to them for the next 10 years.

[jrandom]

Yep I got a 400 buck fine and 25 demerit points. :angry: I wonder if I should apply for payment assistance to drip feed it to them for the next 10 years.

What *I* think you should do is write a letter pointing out that:

(a) you were not breaking any other road rules, and would have been less safe if you'd been sticking to this one, and

(b) this regulation is currently being looked at with a view to scrapping it. I'm sure you can find some hard supporting evidence to show that it's been discredited, maybe even some commentary from high-ups in the Police or LTNZ about it?

I reckon you'd have a high probability of getting the ticket waived. Worth a try!

:yes:

[Mom]

This is the first occasion I have heard of The Fuzz busting an L-plater for travelling at or near the legal open road limit, and that troubles me.

Me too! I get the feeling there may be a teeny bit more to this story somehow.

Sucks to be busted doing 103 (assuming here you were in a 100kph zone) really. You were however outside your L-plate restrictions so it is what is known as a fair cop. More information about the whys, and what happeneds would be good.

Welcome to KB too Lurch. Might pay to slow down a bit for the next little while :yes:

[Sparrowhawk]

This is the first occasion I have heard of The Fuzz busting an L-plater for travelling at or near the legal open road limit, and that troubles me.

Yeah, me too. I just did my whole learners with the L plate on, doing the posted limit, after advice from both KB'rs, AND COPS! That's right, I asked a couple of cops I know. One didn't even remember the 70k rule!

A mate of mine got done for doing 96k in an 80k area. On his learners, with no L plate, at 10:40pm, and he just got done for 16kph over the limit.

From what I've heard, if you're not being a dickhead, and sticking to the posted limit, they'll leave you alone. If you're being a dickhead (going over the posted limit, weaving through traffic dangerously etc.) they'll do you for that AND being outside your license rules.

They're looking at changing that law anyway. They know it's dangerous to be doing 30k or more LESS than the rest of the traffic!

Anyone else heard of them doing learners for doing over 70?

[gammaguy]

Obviously the guy doing 130 in front of me was far too much effort for the plain clothes cop that pulled me over for doing 103 fucking km/h whilst displaying my L plate.

It seriously makes me think about taking it off if it's just gonna make me a target for evening traffic quota filling. :angry2:

She quoted me some some statistics to make me feel guilty and I nodded my head whilst knowing that none of them were relevant to me being 30 and on a 150cc wearing high vis and full gear.

Thanks officer... drive safe now.

Rant over.

the beauty of motorcycling is that your number plate is behind you.this is relevant because if your "L"plate "fell off:rolleyes:you would not be expected to know about it til you got where you are going..maybe.

funnily enough,if your "L"plate "fell off",you would probably not get pulled over by a upholder of the law to tell you about it in the first place:done:

[Lurch]

Me too! I get the feeling there may be a teeny bit more to this story somehow.

Sucks to be busted doing 103 (assuming here you were in a 100kph zone) really. You were however outside your L-plate restrictions so it is what is known as a fair cop. More information about the whys, and what happeneds would be good.

Welcome to KB too Lurch. Might pay to slow down a bit for the next little while :yes:

I was in the right hand lane going North on SH2 just past the Haywards hill lights in 6pm traffic doing 90-110 the whole time, had just shifted to the left lane past the typical merging chaos at that intersection and then about 100 meters on saw a black car changing lanes behind and then the lights. Pretty sure there was nothing apart from a big L on my bike that would have caused her to look twice.

I'm pretty sure I was on my best behaviour throughout the ride and I'm really a bit of a nanna. I rarely even lane split on my way from Upper Hutt to Welly for work.

[Matt_TG]

Wrong, he wasn't breaking any speed restrictions. Only a license restriction.


Yeah, that's why I said "over your learner's limit".

My reply was meant to be tongue in cheek, it's a bit rough on you if you ask me, you're obviously not a "boy racer", you were the proverbial last deer being chased by the tiger :weep:

[Patrick]

What *I* think you should do is write a letter pointing out that:

(a) you were not breaking any other road rules, and would have been less safe if you'd been sticking to this one, and

(b) this regulation is currently being looked at with a view to scrapping it. I'm sure you can find some hard supporting evidence to show that it's been discredited, maybe even some commentary from high-ups in the Police or LTNZ about it?

I reckon you'd have a high probability of getting the ticket waived. Worth a try!

:yes:

This is worth a crack. Point out the blatantly obvious dangers. There are plenty of threads about this sort of thing in here. That 70kmph rule gives me the shits.....


Me too! I get the feeling there may be a teeny bit more to this story somehow.

Sucks to be busted doing 103 (assuming here you were in a 100kph zone) really. You were however outside your L-plate restrictions so it is what is known as a fair cop. More information about the whys, and what happeneds would be good.

Welcome to KB too Lurch. Might pay to slow down a bit for the next little while :yes:

Heh... I assumed he was in a 100 zone as well... Good point!!!


From what I've heard, if you're not being a dickhead, and sticking to the posted limit, they'll leave you alone. If you're being a dickhead (going over the posted limit, weaving through traffic dangerously etc.) they'll do you for that AND being outside your license rules.

They're looking at changing that law anyway. They know it's dangerous to be doing 30k or more LESS than the rest of the traffic!

Anyone else heard of them doing learners for doing over 70?

Good calls. This is how I see it. Only time I know of learners "getting the learn" is when they have been dickheads attracting attention to themselves.

In this case, maybe you just struck a newbie who was "advised" by her supervisor to write this one out on ya....

I would write in. 400 great reasons to give it a go. If ya don't ask, ya don't get....

Edit - was typing while you answered as above Lurch... Feel free to PM if ya wish

[Mom]

I was in the right hand lane just past the Haywards hill lights doing 90-110 the whole time had just shifted to the left lane past the typical merging chaos at that intersection and then about 100 meters on saw a black car changing lanes behind and then the lights. Pretty sure there was nothing apart from a big L on my bike that would have caused her to look twice.

I'm pretty sure I was on my best behaviour throughout the ride and I'm really a bit of a nanna. I rarely even lane split on my way from Upper Hutt to Welly for work.

Now that is a worry. Read jrandoms advice. PM him, he is VERY good at assisting with letters to authorities.

Seems you got a hormonally challenged female cop, on a really bad day, just after she woke to find the goldfish (her baby) she has had for 10 years had died, the morning after her boyfriend rooted her best mate and her boss had warned her not to come back to station without one fucking unreasonable ticket in her book or else!

Shit it was a chick cop eh? Imagine a bloke with those problems, he would have thrown more than a book at you :yes:

[Mom]

This is how I see it. Only time I know of learners "getting the learn" is when they have been dickheads attracting attention to themselves.

In this case, maybe you just struck a newbie who was "advised" by her supervisor to write this one out on ya....

I would write in. 400 great reasons to give it a go. If ya don't ask, ya don't get....

Edit - was typing while you answered as above Lurch... Feel free to PM if ya wish

But, but, but, you are a copper! You are the enemy ;)

[Patrick]

Keep ya friends close, but keep ya enemies closer...? (Or some saying like that...)

[Ixion]

I got my bike license 39 years ago whe there was no such thoing as graduated licenses, mind you I only had a 125 bsa bantam when i got my license top speed 35 mph (<60kmh)
Ha. Noob. *MY* 125cc Bantam did 61mph. Timed.

[DarkLord]

Agreed.....stupid law. When I was on my L's I wore L plates twice....once on my first big ride (it blew off) and the next time was when I did my restricted test.

I passed plenty of cops when I was on my L's and had them behind me and everything, I just rode safely and carefully, within the speed limits and I never got pulled up.

However, if you do get pulled up and are on your L's with no plates, it is a hefty fine (even worse if you get pulled up for speeding!) so only do it if that is a risk you are willing to take.

[Tank]

For what it is worth (too late I know),

If you ride on the open road a lot you can get exemption to bypass the remaining "L" and restricted and go directly to your full.

LTNZ offered it to me (I didnt ask) when I went to my other exemption - their reasoning is that they think 70km in a 100km area is dangerous and they dont want you doing it.

Search my post for a full write up.

[davereid]

This one has to be worth a letter to police !

I mean, the LTSA won't let you on the motorway on a Moped as you can't keep up with the flow of traffic.

Here they are giving you a ticket 'cos you could keep up !

Good luck

[racefactory]

People worry about the constabulary and L plates far too much .

What you need to do is simply attach the L plate to the bit that holds your wof certificate, then when you want to go on highway you simply fold the plate behind the gap at the rear of the number plate. That way you still have L plate and it can be activated in a second if need be. Of course ont op of that, if you still need it you can say 'ah fudge i forgot to fold it down from when my brother last used the bike'.

[slimjim]

time to allow L plate to fall off...

[HungusMaximist]

Man, you guys need to think out the box a bit!

When I got my learners in OZ, I had my L plate for a month or two but the fucken thing kept flying off. So, what I decide was ditch the whole L plate and keep a spare one in my rear pack and If I ever did get pulled over or licence check just pull out the "Oh shit officer, it's been the 4th time that thing has flown off or so I always keep a spare in my pack".

Trust me, it will work but don't blame me if it doesn't!

[portokiwi]

Feel you mate. :eek5: lots of good advice has been given. Its up to you now.

[Mystic13]

personally i'd write in. If that fails I'd go to court on it. Firstly there is no limit on car learners. Secondly it is dangerous to other road users when you have one vehilce travelling slowly. Thirdly it's dangerous to yourself when you run the possibility of having someone behind you becoming very upset and potentially taking you off your bike. I see a judge being far more forgiving and the dangers of comply8ing with the law on this specific road far outway the law.

Having said that I assume you were in the 100k speed zone. If you were passing other vehicles then that may not help your case.

Riding from the Hutt you have little choice but to use the motorway. Apply for an exemption.

My understanding is the NZTA (they merged and renamed the LTSA a few weeks back) can only support the law as it stands and would expect to see you ride at 70kmph. If you did that I'd ride in the right hand wheel track.

Now a sign on the back of your bike with big enough wording that read
"Sorry"
"Licence Restriction"
"can only do 70kmph"
"in 100kmph zone".

Instead of complaining about the law someone needs to organise a lobby of the right people to get this changed asap. Especially as they are considering a law change to the learners bike sizes.

Most riders I know ignored it. Try going on a ride into the country side and staying at 70kmph.

[Lurch]

Thanks to everyone for their input, a letter will definitely be going out soon.

[FruitLooPs]

Thats some epic bad luck, I got pulled up by the fuzz once only.

On my way into town to work nightshift at midnight. My RG's baffling is all but gone by now so its loud as hell, was just getting off the lights near christs college and a dog unit drove past did a u-turn ad nabbed me.

I explained myself, and that the bike is small so it makes a lot of noise to get anywhere - I had no L plate on he noted I was outside my hours and wanted a reason, said it was for work literally 500m up the road from where I was pulled up. Told me to be on my way and get restricted asap. No worries :sweatdrop

[Brooke]

I guess you just gotta weight up the pro's and con's. I don't "wear" my L plate on my bike coz firstly I think they are stupid and secondly I don't want to get run over by a truck who's pissed at me for going slow (wouldn't exactly want to get passed by him either!) So I have my plate under my seat (I still don't really know why) and I travel and 100km/ph and know that if I get pulled for a licence check I just have to accept the consequences. They'd give me the same fine anyway for breaking the rules of my licence.

I feel safer anyway, 70km/ph is just a death warrant on a bike

[CB ARGH]

I know exactly how you feel. I got pinged for 100km/h too. And the truth remains, you DID exceed the speed limit by 30km/h, and as the saying goes, if you do the crime, you pay the fine.

The day before my big roadtrip ever was when I got the ticket, and that wasn't going to slow me down. Auckland to Rotorua, 79.9km/h, scariest two days of my life. Still alive, after many changes of underwear.

I've got just under a month until I can get my restricted, and on that day, that L plate will be TOAST! (L plate burning ceremony and drinks!:Punk:)

[Mikkel]

I know exactly how you feel. I got pinged for 100km/h too. And the truth remains, you DID exceed the speed limit by 30km/h, and as the saying goes, if you do the crime, you pay the fine.

You just didn't bother reading what had been written earlier in the thread or...?



As for all the advice about claiming that the L-plate fell off. If you can't make an L-plate stick to your bike in a manner so that it doesn't fall off, I don't think you would rate high on the kiwi-ingenuity scale!
Honestly, if I was a cop and someone tried to pull that kind of bullshit I'd throw the book at them as well.

[MSTRS]

...you DID exceed the speed limit by 30km/h...
Nope. He broke a licence condition.

.
Honestly, if I was a cop and someone tried to pull that kind of bullshit I'd throw the book at them as well.

Well, we'd best be happy you're not a cop, eh? :Pokey:

[Mikkel]

Well, we'd best be happy you're not a cop, eh? :Pokey:

No matter how happy you might be about it, I'm happier... :yes:

One of the reasons I generally respect the cops is simply that they are doing a job I'd never want to do.