BRAND NEW Leathers

[wildcat_lgf]

I am looking at importing some m/c leathers from Pakistan (where Teknic is made) from Sialkot City - who produce worldclass sports/leather clothing...Anyway

In order to keep shipping costs down I thought there might be others who would be interested in getting some leathers or cordura for that matter...

All clothing is made to international standards and can be fitted with either CE or non-CE armour at a minimal additional cost.

The photo shows some of their gear, they also do road boots.

Clothing can be done in any colour combination and standard sizing is used or you can order a tailer-made size by sending your size requirements.

Jackets will be approx NZD$180 +shipping depending on exchange rate
2-piece suit and 1-piece suit approx NZD$250 +shipping
Gloves approx NZD$60 +shipping
Jackets and suits can come with CE or non-CE armour. Non-CE armour only in the back, jackets can also have removable lining. Knee sliders are also available I believe

This is not a business so I don't need to make my millions of the skin of other bikers...this is a personal import for personal use and depending on interest will see if it is viable to get some direct (minimum orders and all).

A deposit will be required to secure your order. Order will take 3-4 weeks to arrive.

I don't know what else to put but if I've missed something just ask and I'll let you know. I am expecting a catalogue in the next few days so will keep you updated with any new info.

:niceone:

[Blakamin]

interested when you get some info!

[Waylander]

Interested when I get some money.
For a jacket and seperate pants with armor and removable lining. want to look at prices for that and colour schemes.

[Mr Lips]

Hey Man,

Looking good, would like to see some more info before we all start making a commitment to this sort of thang, But def. put me down as a probable customer.
The biggest problem that i can think of is going to be the order numbers. As a rule outfits like the one you just described dont usually deal with an order of a dozen items. My old man used to be in manufacturing and it was just to much effort.
But see what you can do man, and keep me posted.

Mr Lips

[Joni]

Keep us informed...
Im interested too!
:niceone:

[Antallica]

Shit I'll be dead keen on some gear mate :D

A dark one piece for me & some pants for the lady would go down well.

[walk'n]

I might be keen as well if you are after numbers.... keen to see some further info.

[blownae92]

Count me in as well would like a good set of leathers.

[wildcat_lgf]

Thanks Guys, I am getting a few more details, but it is taking a little time as our day is their night, etc and they are having a few religious festivals at present...?

Glad to hear there are others keen, this should reduce shipping costs...they ship through DHL.



I understand you'll want as many details as possible before committing...thats fair enough, I'd would too :) What sort of details are you after? Colour schemes? Removable liners? Until the catalogue arrives I'm in contact with them via email so can ask them via that.

I'll keep you updated...Cheers

[Yokai]

Thanks Guys, I am getting a few more details, but it is taking a little time as our day is their night, etc and they are having a few religious festivals at present...?

Dude - you got pics of some of the range - do they have a catalogue (pref on-line) etc?

[Dodgyiti]

Price on the pants would be good too.
Also if there is a catalogue online or that you can attach to a post- cool :niceone:

[wildcat_lgf]

Duh...oops I forgot the most important part :confused: there is a website with some of the products, they don't have their boots listed but hopefully the catalogue has some photos of them.

To answer the question on shipping and minimum orders, I and some work contacts in Pakistan have convinced them to send out an order to NZ, a reasonable number of items will ensure they are happy and keep our shipping costs down.

Website. http://www.belpak.com.pk

If the catalogue is decent (here's hoping) I will scan it and post the relevant parts etc either here or elsewhere. Will see when it arrives.

PS, have just found a photo of the boots...they do others as well but this is the only photo I can find at the mo...

- High quality Racing & Touring boots
- Geniune leather construction
- Protective features for bikers
- Water-proof or non-water proof optional
- Blah blah blah

[TonyB]

Bloody good idea! Definitely interested in a jacket with armour and removeable liner + pants with armour. Pants and jacket must zip together, otherwise they are useless for track days. Do the various jackets and pants on the site all zip together? I see they have two piece suits, but I'm not keen on the 'power ranger' look LOL Would be OK with subdued colours to suit my preference for a low profile.

[Nutter34]

I'll be interested in a two-piece suit, with CE armour, depending on final cost..... But, if it is $250, as stated above, it'd be rude not to get one.....

[dveus]

Put another one down as interested, Am after a 1 piece set of leathers.

[TonyB]

Hey wildcat, is the duty included in those prices?
I rang the minister of finance (wife) to discuss it, and she said 'don't forget the duty'. She works for a company that makes garments offshore for Ezibuy, Glassons, Max, Halenstiens, Kathmandu, Swandri etc etc so she knows her stuff. She looked it up and the duty is as follows:

If it comes in as a jacket and pant - duty is 14%
If it comes in as an `all in one' - is duty free

Cheers
TonyB

[Blakamin]

If it comes in as a jacket and pant - duty is 14%
If it comes in as an `all in one' - is duty free

Cheers
TonyB
cool.. 1 piece it is for me then!!!!

[GixerBoy]

Hi are the made to fit suits $250 or is there an extra cost, great price though pretty keen :niceone:

[Hooks]

I'll be interested in a two-piece suit, with CE armour, depending on final cost..... But, if it is $250, as stated above, it'd be rude not to get one.....

My thoughts exactly !! I'm in if that's the price ...

[wildcat_lgf]

He he he, just realised there was a second page of questions :cool:

The made to measure suits would be the same price I'm sure, when I asked them about it last week they didn't indicate any price difference.

Hey Tony, I rang DHL (who the parcel would be coming through) and they said gst is payable if the package is valued over $NZD400. I'm not sure about the duty...is it payable even if it is a private import for personal use and not as a commercial venture?

I will ring a customs agent and let you know...

Oh this is going to be a logistical nightmare : :confused: I should have known everyone would be keen for some bargain leathers.

I'm thinking probably by the end of the week, I'd like to have a few things finalised in terms of numbers of people and details from Bel answering any questions. Then we can organise sizes and get a total cost incl shipping (and duty if applicable) and then hopefully bobs your uncle. :2thumbsup

[bugjuice]

I'm keen, for sure. Probably a 1 piece (that black/grey looks well nice) for moi.. with amour and sliders.

How are you going about the sizes etc? How does that work? I'm 5"11 and ~68kgs

[TonyB]

He he he, just realised there was a second page of questions :cool:

The made to measure suits would be the same price I'm sure, when I asked them about it last week they didn't indicate any price difference.

Hey Tony, I rang DHL (who the parcel would be coming through) and they said gst is payable if the package is valued over $NZD400. I'm not sure about the duty...is it payable even if it is a private import for personal use and not as a commercial venture?

I will ring a customs agent and let you know...

Oh this is going to be a logistical nightmare : :confused: I should have known everyone would be keen for some bargain leathers.

I'm thinking probably by the end of the week, I'd like to have a few things finalised in terms of numbers of people and details from Bel answering any questions. Then we can organise sizes and get a total cost incl shipping (and duty if applicable) and then hopefully bobs your uncle. :2thumbsup
Well, it will all be fine then, cause bob IS my uncle.
I'm pretty sure duty is payable no matter what the end use. When I import stuff for work I generally use a customs agent. One company I deal with uses Fed Ex, and they (Fed Ex) do all the customs stuff for me so the customs clearance is included in the shipping quote. Not sure if DHL work that way.

[wildcat_lgf]

Well, it will all be fine then, cause bob IS my uncle.
I'm pretty sure duty is payable no matter what the end use. When I import stuff for work I generally use a customs agent. One company I deal with uses Fed Ex, and they (Fed Ex) do all the customs stuff for me so the customs clearance is included in the shipping quote. Not sure if DHL work that way.


Yep your right...Duty and gst is payable seeing as the goods are for more than 1 person. Duty 14% and gst 12.5%...on $250, gst and duty comes out about $65. If everyone is still keen, I'm sure we work something that suits everyone.

I'll keep you up to date. Thanks Tony for clarifying the finer points :niceone:

[wildcat_lgf]

I'm keen, for sure. Probably a 1 piece (that black/grey looks well nice) for moi.. with amour and sliders.

How are you going about the sizes etc? How does that work? I'm 5"11 and ~68kgs

Sizes are standard British or Euro sizing (like teknic do...ie I'm a 40/50 jacket) or alternatively if you have a favourite jacket you like the size of, you can measure the waist, length of arm, etc (I'll find out exactly what measurements they want) and they will make it to that sizing.

Once we know know what everyone wants and if there are still people keen then we can iron out the finer details of exactly what size everyone wants. Cheers

[walk'n]

If you are sending an email to them, can you please ask if they do a female version.

Thanks :)

[bugjuice]

Sizes are standard British or Euro sizing (like teknic do...ie I'm a 40/50 jacket) or alternatively if you have a favourite jacket you like the size of, you can measure the waist, length of arm, etc (I'll find out exactly what measurements they want) and they will make it to that sizing.

Once we know know what everyone wants and if there are still people keen then we can iron out the finer details of exactly what size everyone wants. Cheers
I'm happy for an 'off-the-rack' suit, if it's a lot less hassle (which I'm assuming it will be), then get it nip/tucked in the right places. Just thinking of where the sliders will sit when I'm wearing the suit etc.. I think I'm average, but then again, define average...???? I might try some suits on at the weekend if that's not too late, and find a good size, then get the specs off that. Suits can cost a fair whack ay? This should be a bargain if it goes to plan.. I'm hoping.. Then you'll get lots of :apint:

[SuperDave]

I am really keen on a one piece suit. Keep us posted please. Thanks

[soundbeltfarm]

keen on a one piece here to.

[avgas]

maybe keen on some boots (prob road/race), as my old man is beggin for his back. Keep us posted.
Cheers boss

[cowpoos]

duty on leathers [clothing] 32% incl gst

I got some leathers from the sates recently...

[cowpoos]

http://www.customs.govt.nz/importers/Private+Importers/Customs+Charges.htm

[Motoracer]

I am keen for a 2 pc set for road/stunt riding.

[TonyB]

Ahhh fuck it, someones got to do it, might as well be me.
Wildcat, don't take this the wrong way, but you're new here. As far as I know, none of members on this board have met you. This cheap leathers thing seems too good to be true, and I personally am not keen on parting with my hard earned cash until someone who is well known here has had the chance to meet you, or you can provide me with a verifiable name address and phone number

Please don't be offended by this, but this does remind me of some of the stuff that happens on ebay/ trademe etc. IE: incredibly good deal, deposit only required...

Look, I'm sure you're just a good bloke thats stumbled across an awesome deal that nobody has ever thought to look for, and you want to help out your fellow bikers. But there's a lot of arseholes out there, and you can't be to careful.

Sorry dude, I hate doing stuff like this but I think it had to be done.

[sAsLEX]

duty on leathers [clothing] 32% incl gst

I got some leathers from the sates recently...

umm not sure that leather fall into clothing if they have CE armour in them as they are then safety equipment. they therefore dont get the 32% tax, unless they are just harley look good leathers or something.

I know K14 got his spidi's from ebay and had no trouble with taxes etc

If it is only 300ish for the 1 piece I would be keen, cant have too many toys!


and meeting up with some of the Auckland crew to calm the nervous would be good, I know I haven't been stung dealing over the net yet (touches wood, crosses fingers ...) , but that would give people more confidence in handing over the dosh

[TonyB]

Ahhh fuck it, someones got to do it, might as well be me.
bla bla bla
Sorry dude, I hate doing stuff like this but I think it had to be done.
PS
I wouldn’t expect anyone to trust me either- not even the guy’s that have met me.

If it’s all above board, you’ll be taking on a hell of a challenge. Imagine if the leathers arrive and they’re crap, or they arrive and they’re good, but a couple go missing in the post…
Depending on the results of the above post, there might be some things I can do to help you out if you need it. My wife is looking into it so I won’t say anything till I know for sure.

One thing I did find out, the freight cost for DHL should include the customs clearance and duties etc as it would with FedEx. The duties I posted were the result of a phone call made to a specialist customs broker, so they should be on the money. Hey Cowpoos, I know a guy from Canty with that nickname- you don’t own a lowered Merc do you?

[gav]

OK, listen up, tread carefully dude, I've been there and done that. I worked for an importer and a few years ago looked at doing this, different company though. Do not trust anyone. What I did was got some samples sent first, you may have to pay, ask for two or three samples. The Pakistani company I looked at claimed to make the leathers for Fieldsheer, they sent me a couple of Fieldsheer suits that looked pretty good, they then sent me another couple with colour design I wanted, as they claimed they couldnt supply Fieldsheer branded leathers, fair enough. I'd had a name sorted too, Pro Speed Imports. Told them I wanted EXACTLY the same suit as the Fieldsheer sample but rebadged Pro Speed. The next set that turned up looked NOTHING like the quality of the Fieldsheer, almost looked like they had never made a leather suit before in their life. Seriously! They were shite! Also stumbled onto the company in China that allegedly made leathers for Nankai, I had importers catalouge that listed a company that made leathers and had a photo of some trick Nankai gear. I wrote to them and they sent me photos of racks with Nankai, Dainese, Alpinestar etc Shit I'm onto something here, but I think what was happening was they were getting good stuff, trying to copy but had nothing like the quality and didnt appear to know the first thing about motorcycle racing. They also started talking container loads or minimum 500 pieces etc ummm not for this kid, I thought at the time if I could move 20 pices I would be doing bloody well.
Again, tread carefully, you can be ripped big time!!
If it was that easy everyone would be doing it :confused:

[gav]

The duty I paid for one piece suits at the time was zero, but a 2 piece will incur duty, something to do with protecting local businesses, as I recall.
I even talked to Nankai in Japan regarding picking up distribution rights for NZ. At the time they were retrenching and were only concentrating on the Japanese domestic market and werent interested in exporting to NZ.
Also made contact with Fieldsheer in the States, he was pretty cool and sent me all their latest catalogues etc, think I've still got them somewhere.They didnt really know much about NZ market, I sent him some info but really we're talking a very small market. Also spoke with Don Stafford from Stafford m/cs in Australia, he is the Oz distributor but again the pricing and market wasnt really there.
Fieldsheer still do some pretty cool stuff!
I ended up selling the Fieldsheer stuff locally so someone somewhere got a pretty good deal.
http://fieldsheer.com/05/

[wildcat_lgf]

Sorry, been out all night...

Hey TonyB...yep I absolutely agree with you about wanting to meet and calm the nerves...I certainly wouldn't part with my money without some sort of solid explanations etc. I think if any of us go through with this then we would need a serious sit down and plan it out...

To be honest there has been a much greater response than I first thought, and if it all went through we could be talking serious money...looking easily around $5000 total costs with 20+ people...I rang a customs broker as well (Doug, at Merz & Assoc) and he looked up the duty which is 14% (you were right on the money).

I thought perhaps there might be 5 or so people who might be willing to get a few items, but then talk is cheap and anyone can say they want a cheap deal with no effort involved...

I appreciate you questioning how valid this is...granted I'm new to the bike scene and we haven't met. Anyway I wouldn't expect people to part with any money without a concensus (sp?) they were happy with, and without the support of a few you 'not-so-new' KB's. To be honest, I'm pretty worried about the huge logistical nightmare it could be with 20+ people ordering items and colours.

I've had a quote from them (feel free to email them - I waiting for a response from Fri last week) but the high shipping costs for 1 item almost doubled the cost of the items (EUR100) but an additional suit was only another EUR30.

Thanks Gav for the advice, samples would be beneficial for sure, although from what your saying...it still doesn't guarantee the quality...they were supposedly at Intermot in München though?

This has certainly snow-balled and perhaps the best way is for me to bring in a set for myself as originally planned, see the actual products, and see how we go from there...remember this was planned for "expressions of interests" I'm still waiting for the catalogue myself.

I shall keep you up to date, no harm intended if anyone feels that way...TonyB and Gav I'll send you guys a PM tomorrow at a decent hour :cool:

[TonyB]

I have edited this post to take out some of the finer points in an effort to protect us all and ensure that we all get our leathers at cost, direct from the manufacturer. I realised last night that there was enough advice and information in these posts to enable an unscrupulous reader (wether they be an individual or an existing company) to set themselves up as the sole NZ distributor. If a company or individual were to do this before we all have the chance to purchase our leathers at cost, the chance for purchasing cheap leathers will be gone. Yes I am completely paranoid!

OK, my TradeNZ contact just called me. This is not going to be as hard or as risky as we thought. His advice is: DO NOT PAY FOR THE GOODS UNTIL YOUR ARE SATISFIED THEY ARE OF ‘MERCHANDISABLE QUALITY’.
The idea is to set it up with a reputable bank so that you have a contract with the supplier stating that they will not recieve payment until the goods have either, been inspected here by you, inspected here by an independant company, or inspected in Pakistan by an independant company. His advice is go fro broke and try to get the inpsection done here by you.

If you can pull this off, I am definitely going to be in. I would recommend that if they agree to let you do the inspection that you don’t do it all by yourself. If there are a reasonable number of well known KB’ers in Auckland involved you should be sweet. If you need any help, please let me know. I will PM you my contact details. I will be on holiday next week but should be contactable. Hopefully having it done this way will allay a lot of peoples fears.

As the bank will be involved, we can all maybe transfer the funds directly to an account that the bank controls, that way you don’t have to worry about dealing with the money and we all have more piece of mind. I’m sure the bank can suggest a way of handling this. Good luck- fuck I hope this all comes together! :banana:

[Blakamin]

Good luck- fuck I hope this all comes together! :banana:
me tooo!!!!!

[Paul in NZ]

Most scams require the scammed one to think they are getting the old too good to be true deal.

However, I've seen some un freaking believable stuff coming out of these places at silly prices.

I'd suggest the old sample and bank approach as well. Tell the guy you are the representitive of a club with 1,500 members.... (we could get KB leathers) and you need a sample.

I'd buy a couple of sets...

Paul N

[TonyB]

I'd suggest the old sample and bank approach as well. Tell the guy you are the representitive of a club with 1,500 members.... (we could get KB leathers) and you need a sample.
Paul N
Just be aware that setting up the contract with te bank and supplier costs around $150, so the suggestion of setting it up only applies to a bulk order.

[bugjuice]

surely if so many of us are going to be in on this, then the bank fees and SGF fees can be absorbed by us in the purchase of the leather (obviously with final numbers, an agreed figure can then be drawn up), so what ever import fees etc there are, it's not going to be a worry for you , Wildcat, and we still get a bargain (if that's what this works out to be). Plus, if you pull it off, I'm sure you'll get the odd beer thrown your way too!

[TonyB]

surely if so many of us are going to be in on this, then the bank fees and SGF fees can be absorbed by us in the purchase of the leather (obviously with final numbers, an agreed figure can then be drawn up), so what ever import fees etc there are, it's not going to be a worry for you , Wildcat, and we still get a bargain
Yeh, that was the idea. I'm good at typing lots of words and still failing to make myself clear :confused:

[vifferman]

Yeh, that was the idea. I'm good at typing lots of words and still failing to make myself clear :confused:
Is that so?

Would you like to come and do my job, then? :spudwhat:

[wildcat_lgf]

I've just had a 1/2 hour meeting with some helpful people at the bank.

The bank said they need the responsibility to stop with 1 person...they were concern that if 25 people put money into a comunal account, and then a couple decided they want out...agreements have already been made, the banks reputation is ruined blah blah blah.

We would ensure that payment was dependant upon inspection of the goods. Transactions would be done through an international branch of a reputable bank. It would be written into the clause that payment would not be made to the leather manufacturer if the inspection was not favourable. Inspection would be undertaken by a large international company on our behalf, but in Pakistan prior to shipment of goods.

Therefore, those who put money up, and the quality is bad, lose only a proportion of the fee for inspection services and bank fees.

They are unlikely to ship goods without payment...I haven't even asked them about inspections and payment options yet? So we may have hit a brick wall :brick: but then again, we might just be making a little progress (slowly does it)

Phew...what a mission

I have just edited this post and taken out some of the finer details, the last thing we want is a shop or company etc. to get in ahead of us and then we all lose out on a good deal.

To make things clear, I am not making a business venture out of this, purely hoping to get a few cheaper leathers for me and those who are keen.

[Blakamin]

Phew...what a mission
But just to let you know, everyone here will appreciate it to the max when we have our leathers... you wont have to buy a beer for ages!!!!!

:niceone: :niceone: :niceone:

[TonyB]

Bloody hell, you don't muck around do you! :niceone:
Looks like TradeNZ might be a bit out of touch on this matter, though that surprises me. Do you mind if I copy your post and send it off to them? I'd be interested to see their feedback. The impression they gave is that you can stipulate the terms in the contract... If the goods can be inspected in Pakistan then at least both sides are saved a lot of hassle if they're not up to standard.
As for the charges mounting up, I know I'd rather pay a bit more and have some peace of mind. They'll still be very cheap by our standards.

[Paul in NZ]

Plus, if you pull it off, I'm sure you'll get the odd beer thrown your way too!

Actually - I think the worry is that it all turns to custard and beers are still thrown his way - unopened ones from 30 m... :angry2:

One solution...

We all chip in for one set for an individual who agrees to buy them if they are acceptable and we don't collectively face much of a loss if they are not.

Say, $300 for leathers. 10 people risk $30?

Paul N

[bugjuice]

Actually - I think the worry is that it all turns to custard and beers are still thrown his way - unopened ones from 30 m... :angry2:
lmao


One solution...

We all chip in for one set for an individual who agrees to buy them if they are acceptable and we don't collectively face much of a loss if they are not.

Say, $300 for leathers. 10 people risk $30?

Paul N
I think they could pull the trick mentioned earlier with something like that tho - buy/send something decent as a 'sample' then send crap to follow.
But that example was for custom stuff wasn't it, not for off the rack stuff as this appears to be. We're just buying direct from the factory, aren't we..?? Or have I missed something?
I think a single garment might not prove what the 'batch' order would come over like..

Only one thing for it - Wilcat, you're going to have to go over there and make them yourself. We'll pay you a couple of hundred bucks each, and a few beers, then we know we're getting good quality..

[wildcat_lgf]

lmao

Only one thing for it - Wilcat, you're going to have to go over there and make them yourself. We'll pay you a couple of hundred bucks each, and a few beers, then we know we're getting good quality..

:done: Sweet! I'm not half bad at skinning a cow or two and I'm sure I work out which way the sewing machine goes :2thumbsup no guarantees I could stitch together anything that resembeld something other than a square though!

Yeah no worries Tony if you want to ask TradeNZ about what I've written...if they insist they are right it still might be difficult to get Pakistan to agree to it? Whereas if they are legit they can't really refuse a SGS inspection can they?

[Timber020]

Dont know if this has been brought up, but what about paypal?

[wildcat_lgf]

Hey Timber020, I don't know much (or anything) about Paypal, someone else might have a better idea, however they might start getting shirty if we try and adjust all their proceedures?

Ok it's late so this is going to be quick...just got a reply from Belpak - I haven't gone through it yet...why? Because its late...I'm just cutting and pasting some other details that came through on the email...

I'll fire off a quick email to them, try and push my luck see if I can get some references or contact details from people outside Pakistan they supply to (Bank managers suggested it - who thought they would be helpful :cool: )

Email details:

Colors & Sizes:

The products can be ordered in Black , Red, Blue, Yellow, Kawasaki Green ,
Grey , Silver and White combination. For the sizes, our normal pricing
structure covers the sizes from XS to 2XL. Any additional sizes required
are charged additional 10% of the normal pricing structure.

Removable Lining:

Removable lining is already available in our cordura jackets. However,
additional lining in leather jackets can be added

For leather suits, only Fixed Mesh lining is popular, though, removable
liner in the jackets part of the suits can be added as well.

Women Clothing:
Currently, all our designs are based on Men's fittings. However, women
fittings can be made and requested as well for any styles.

Armours:

CE armours for jackets additional cost (minimal) ( Shoulders & Elbows )
CE armours for suits additional cost (minimal) ( Shoulders, Elbows, Knees )

Non-CE armours for jackets additional cost (minimal) ( Shoulders & Elbows )
Non-CE armours for suits additional cost (minimal) ( Shoulders, Elbows & Knees )

Back protector = Standard ( non-CE )
Thigh protector = Standard ( non- CE )

Removable Knee Sliders:

FOB price = Euro 2-00 per pair

Currently all prices are Euro but they said they could arrange US dollars later on if its more convienient and once we are ordering large volumes regularly.

Alrighty I'm off for some much needed beauty sleep.

[wildcat_lgf]

Ok this is where we currently stand...we are waiting for some references from others who have delt with the company.

We are still waiting to hear if they will agree to our terms of payment and inspections etc...

Until we get both an agreement for inspections etc, and some +ve references we wait...I know your all itching to get a good cheap set of leathers, but there is no point risking alot of money without doing all the research first!

I'll keep you all updated, feel free to PM me if you like, but be assured you'll all be the first to know...

Cheers

[Reno]

How did you guys go with the leathers

[placidfemme]

Sorry bit of a dumb question... what is CE armour? I know what armour is, and thats always a good idea but does the "CE" mean?

[wildcat_lgf]

Sorry bit of a dumb question... what is CE armour? I know what armour is, and thats always a good idea but does the "CE" mean?

CE armour is protective armour (effectively hard plastic armour) that meets the Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) standards as set out by the European Commission EN13595. Basically it means it has been tested to withstand impact and provide adequate protection and hence can be classed as PPE. The standards are set I believe in Europe.

[placidfemme]

CE armour is protective armour (effectively hard plastic armour) that meets the Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) standards as set out by the European Commission EN13595. Basically it means it has been tested to withstand impact and provide adequate protection and hence can be classed as PPE. The standards are set I believe in Europe.

Awesome, thank you. Wouldn't that be a given then? Why wouldn't you buy gear that is made to protect you? :ride:

I'll find out my size and my partners size for the jackets :grouphug:

[Paul in NZ]

Awesome, thank you. Wouldn't that be a given then? Why wouldn't you buy gear that is made to protect you? :ride:

I'll find out my size and my partners size for the jackets :grouphug:

The CE standard is not universally accepted but it seems to be the default here. As for sizes, you might wanna wait until we all get what we thought we the right thing and see how that worked out.

If you can hook up with someone near you that has got something from this shipment you can check the quality of the actual product vs the picture as well.

Cheers

[placidfemme]

Oh ok. I'll wait a while then :) thanks