First ticket today...

[monkeymsea]

hey all just thought I would spin a yarn about my first ticket on my zxr..

Its all started when...

Cruising down state highway one on the way to work (work in manurewa live in tuakau) keeping with the traffic doing about 110..

So i come on the the ramarama straight and notice "champagne" coloured car behind me getting pretty close.. then i notice the red blues.. I indicate and pull over and proceed to take off my helmet and gloves and get my license ready.

" Do you know why I pulled you over?"
"Um.. No sir I'm not sure why?"
"What speed can you do on your current license?"
"Um 70 sir?"
"Exactly.. You make it pretty obvious with your "L" plate there"
"um ok....?"
"I got you at 112, whats your reason for speeding?"
" I was going with the flow of traffic sir"
"They can go 100 but you CANNOT!!"
"..."
"Did you know your rego is expired?"
"O is it? It must have just ran out"
"it ran out on the 16th" (the 22nd today)

After asking more questions, where I live/work etc. Goes back into his under cover car and made me wait for an eternity. I stand there sheepishly waving at other bikers as they go on their merry way.

Officer comes out of his car...

"here is you list of offences
1. breech of learners licence
2. Not having a registered bike
3. Failing to stop (wtf??)"
"um... ok sorry?"
"Im going to do you for the rego and the breech of license, your lucky I'm not going to do your for speeding or I would have taken your license"
"...."
"your also lucky that im not going to fine your for the failing to stop"
hands over ticket and decides to give me some advice

"when you were riding you were "weaving" all over the place on the right hand side of the lane"
"its windy sir hard to keep the bike in a straight line"
"when your riding you need to be in the centre of the lane or as far left as your can"
now im thinking what the shit? that's not right but nodded head.
" Im just trying to stop you guys getting knocked off bikes, your speed limit is 70 not 100 its there for a reason"
walks back to his car.

Look at the ticket in my hand.
Breaching license by 42 kph $400
Not having licensed vehicle $200

Demerit points 50

I put the ticket in my bag and started to suit up. jump on my bike and headed off. 70 k all the way. I had trucks passing me, cars with trailers everything, it was embarrassing. If anything going 70 on the motorway is more dangerous then anything.

Cop drives past me with a smug look on his face. after that a FZR pulled next to me and single that we should have a play. i shook my head and he sped off. And in this time a BMW cage pulled out in front of the cop but the cop didn't care and proceeded to pull the biker over instead.

So that's my story.. Now I know I was breaking the law so I don't need this to turn into one of those threads lol. Just funny 112kph in a 100kph = $600 fine. lol

[boomer]

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[racefactory]

They are some real fucking bastards aren't they?

I say get the fuckers off our roads and stop busting us harmless motorists out purely to enjoy our ride, stop nit picking/revenue gathering from our just expired wof/rego and get the fuckers into south auckland and stop the gangs.

Sorry to hear that mate.

[monkeymsea]

They are some real fucking bastards aren't they?

I say get the fuckers off our roads and stop busting us motorists out purely to enjoy our ride and nit pick/revenue gather from our just expired wof/rego etc and get the fuckers into south auckland and stop the gangs.

Sorry to hear that mate.

Yea, I'm gutted as. I mean its not like I was doing 160 down there, which can be pretty easy :P. 112 on the motorway cruising with traffic.. Its abit unfair but at least he got some of his quota lol

[MIXONE]

I glad you had the correct "yessir,nosir,three bags fullsir" attitude as arguing gets you no where.Sometimes it's hard with the bile rising in the back of your throat though.

[Ixion]

Where do the 50 demerits come from? As far as I am aware (I'm open to correction here, I can't remember), expired rego is not a demerit offence. And driving outside licence conditions is a flat rate 25. The speed you were outsid ethe 70 by is irrelevant, the 70kph is not a speed limit it is a licence condition. 42kph speeding is a 50 dermit point one, but it is not relevant here. He could have done you for breach of licenc conditions, expired rego, and 12kph speeding. But even then it would only be 25 demerits, because only the most serious offence on a singlke occasion counts for demerits.

If they try to dink you for 50 , object. Loudly.

[de_wood_elf]

What the hell, so they are expecting all L plate riders to ride slower than the traffic or ride at 70kph. Expect a hell of a lot more 'accidents' and road rage (all perfectly avoidable if they pulled finger and actually thought about their stupid law).
I thought keeping up with the traffic was safer than riding slow, especially on a bike when cars like sniffing your arse?

Stupid stupid stupid.

[monkeymsea]

I glad you had the correct "yessir,nosir,three bags fullsir" attitude as arguing gets you no where.Sometimes it's hard with the bile rising in the back of your throat though.

Yea especially when he tries to tell me that my road position is wrong.

But thats the way the cookie crumbles I guess. I feel almost picked on because i was doing no harm but yea lol

[monkeymsea]

Ill scan the ticket and show you all. its confusing to me. Like its my first one lol Ill scan it tonight

[slimjim]

shit happen's....

[mattian]

Bugger...... next time just take off the "L" plate when you want to hit the open road. Your riding with the flow of traffic IS the safest way to ride.

[monkeymsea]

Bugger...... next time just take off the "L" plate when you want to hit the open road. Your riding with the flow of traffic IS the safest way to ride.

Yea taking off the L pates could have got me another fine lol. as for the open road i was comuting to work lol :p

[Rob Taylor]

That is the best advice,TAKE OFF THE "L" Plate. If you get pulled over they wil most likely not even realise.... Go on into the garage and ditch it NOW..:2guns:

[sharky]

Yep, definately take the L plate off. I reckon the cops give you more grief when you are a learner, best not to point it out to them. I was ticketed/pulled over 5 times while on my learners. Only once since on my full (5 years) you may chalk that up to experience?

PS. Wont be your last ticket : )

[monkeymsea]

Just added to picture of the ticket.. anyone finds anything wrong with it tell me lol?

[racefactory]

Ignore these guys telling you to take it off, do not fucking take that L plate off... if you go through random inspection/pulled over again that's 400 bucks just like that. I've seen a fair few stories about this lark and the bastards do check it- if it's a young fucker trying to make a name for himself in the ranks he'll do you for anything mate.

Instead use some initiative and do something like fold the L plate behind your number plate, that way if you do ever get stopped you can flip it down quickly as he's getting out of his car, or alternatively you can bullshit about how your brother used the bike and you forgot to fold it back down again etc etc etc. Even a young fuck could likely show some sympathy for such a story? Worth a try incase you can't get the plate down quick anyhow.

[monkeymsea]

Ignore these guys telling you to take it off, do not fucking take that L plate off... if you go through random inspection/pulled over again that's 400 bucks just like that. I've seen a fair few stories about this lark and the bastards do check it- if it's a young fucker trying to make a name for himself in the ranks he'll do you for anything mate.

Instead use some initiative and do something like fold the L plate behind your number plate, that way if you do ever get stopped you can flip it down quickly as he's getting out of his car, or alternatively you can bullshit about how your brother used the bike and you forgot to fold it back down again etc etc etc. Even a young fuck could likely show some sympathy for such a story? Worth a try incase you can't get the plate down quick anyhow.

It doesnt matter now really one more ticket and im gone for 3 months.. probably get one tommorow doing the coro loop lols

Now I dont ride fast i ride at around 100k. Im still learning and what not. but 70 k on the motorway is a bloody joke.

[cameltoe]

take the fucken L plate off, ive never had mine on. Ive been riding for 3 months, been pulled over 5 times and never been done for it, I tell the coppas im a learner and either theyr dumb/retarded or good fucken cops coz i have never been done for not having L plate. I got a $400 fine other day for carrying passenger. I was doing 110kph:shutup: in 50 but she didnt get me done for speed, thank fuck for that. got 35 demerits

[Ixion]

Ill scan the ticket and show you all. its confusing to me. Like its my first one lol Ill scan it tonight

Silly plod. OK , he's made a mistake. Quite a significant one . Not just the usual "He spelled my name wrong" stuff.

He's recorded the speed limit as 70kph. With you doing 112. Which is where he gets his 50 demerits from.

But, he is quite wrong. The speed limit does not change for a learner. It remains at 100kph (I'm assuming here that it was indeed a 100kph area since you mention keeping up with traffic and him saying 'they can do 100').

The 70kph is a condition of your licence. Not a speed limit. And the demerits for it are only 25.

Now that's a significant error. Possibly enough to get the ticket quashed in total. I'm not familiar enough with the procedure to advise what you need to do, but someone here will know. You either write in right away and contest it, or wait until it's too late for them to change it. Then write and say "But the speed limit at location - blah- is 100kph not 70. "

First thing I'd do though is get 3 montsh rego on the bike ASAP. Tonight if you can (LTSA website, you can do it on line). Grovel, sincerely regret unintentional oversight, been under stress, pregnant, pet hamster dies etc etc. Rectified immediatly the office pointed it out to me.

At worst , you can only lose 25 demerits. Not 50. IANAL, but.

[Madness]

I was doing 110kph in 50 carrying a passenger but she didnt get me done for speed, thank fuck for that. got 35 demerits

There's just no justice in the world.

[monkeymsea]

S

First thing I'd do though is get 3 montsh rego on the bike ASAP. Tonight if you can (LTSA website, you can do it on line). Grovel, sincerely regret unintentional oversight, been under stress, pregnant, pet hamster dies etc etc. Rectified immediatly the office pointed it out to me.

At worst , you can only lose 25 demerits. Not 50. IANAL, but.


I was going to get rego on my lunch break today anyway lol.. I slapped 3 months on it about 10.30 this morning..

What do I do write a letter or go in to the police station or ...?

[Ixion]

What do I do write a letter or go in to the police station or ...?

Not quite sure. Never had to do it myself. But one of the more clued up members will advise in a while. Basically you just write in and say that you accept the rego thing , but rectified it immediately, and can you please be let off. As for the speeding, you want to point out that the officer made a mistake, and thought the speed limit was 70kph, but the limit at the place where this happened is actually 100.

That doesn't really get you off, firstly because you were still breaking your licence condition which is what the charge is, and secondly he's got you down as 112 which is speeding anyway. But, an error like that , looks bad and often they will drop the ticket rather than have egg on their face. But, there's a trick about WHEN you write this, and I'm not sure what it is.

[captain_andrey]

Listen to Ixion, this is BS ticket and will never stand. I was stopped once doing 124 on my L, had a long talk to the cop and he explained to me everything. (I was kinda scared he can take my license). Speeding offenses are independent of your license conditions. He could book you for 12 over and not following license conditions. Only the points from the largest offense will apply (25 for license conditions).
Dispute the ticket, you will very likely get off.
Oh and the cop took my ticket down as 119km/h and ignored the L plate. :Police:

[wbks]

Sounds like you got a right asshole who doesn't know shit about riding a bike. You do the corromandel loop? Must be lots of cops around there given its reputation haha.

[CookMySock]

"I got you at 112, whats your reason for speeding?"

[...]

"when you were riding you were "weaving" all over the place on the right hand side of the lane"These are the reasons he stopped you. I know it blows, but if you want to do 100k you need to be totally squeaky clean in all other respects, then they look at you and think "nah hes alright" and they leave ya alone. But L platers doing well over 100k and weaving about, or any other even slightly suspect activity will definitely set his alarm bells off.

Yeah it stinks though. Glad you are still laughing about it.

Steve

[tommygun]

I know it blows getting a ticket even if its been "jacked up" a bit but at least you still get to ride. My first formal arrangement with the revenue dept was a court date for dangerous driving. Six months suspenion and associated costs etc. It was a hard way to learn a life lesson about muffti cops and over zealous wrist twisting down a suburban street.

[monkeymsea]

Its a tough one. You got to laugh at this time I mean if i was serious about it i wouldnt jump back on my bike because I would be to paranoid lol.

as for the coro loop, I have never been before tommorow was ment to be my first time. but im not so sure now lol.

If you take into account the 50 demerit points im up to 85.. One ticket and im walking

[wbks]

Just go anyway :) I might be going on my zxr250a...Might look a bit ghetto with a busted windshield:pinch: Shall I call the cops in advance for your weaving all over the road, speed limit exceeding, lane hogging antics?!

[racefactory]

Its a tough one. You got to laugh at this time I mean if i was serious about it i wouldnt jump back on my bike because I would be to paranoid lol.

as for the coro loop, I have never been before tommorow was ment to be my first time. but im not so sure now lol.

If you take into account the 50 demerit points im up to 85.. One ticket and im walking

Go for it, there aint no police down there, well as far as I have seen...

[racefactory]

take the fucken L plate off, ive never had mine on. Ive been riding for 3 months, been pulled over 5 times and never been done for it, I tell the coppas im a learner and either theyr dumb/retarded or good fucken cops coz i have never been done for not having L plate. I got a $400 fine other day for carrying passenger. I was doing 110kph:shutup: in 50 but she didnt get me done for speed, thank fuck for that. got 35 demerits

Where the fucking hell do you live? Try north shore, they are all shit bags here...

But seriously don't take the L plate off, just jimmy it to fold in and out behind your number plate. If you really insist on taking it off at least carry it with you at all times... well if 400 bucks means anything to you, there's some shit you can say if you at least have it on you.

[FJRider]

Just remember... 110 km's/hr, when you were supposed to be restricted to 70, means you were 40 km/hr over the allowable limit...for you. That could have had you walking home. Automatic 24 hour loss of license, 'till the court case, then probably another six months loss...
I say don't pay the fines, take it to court and let the judge decide your fate...

[Ixion]

Eh? 40 kph over a POSTED SPEED LIMIT is 28 day licence suspension. (50kph over a lawful temporary speed limit - not all of them are lawful) . But a licence condition is not a posted speed limit. Doesn't apply. Totally separate bit of legislation.

[FJRider]

Eh? 40 kph over a POSTED SPEED LIMIT is 28 day licence suspension. (50kph over a lawful temporary speed limit - not all of them are lawful) . But a licence condition is not a posted speed limit. Doesn't apply. Totally separate bit of legislation.

I have been known to be wrong... let the judge decide what is correct..... is he brave enough ...???

[monkeymsea]

Just go anyway :) I might be going on my zxr250a...Might look a bit ghetto with a busted windshield:pinch: Shall I call the cops in advance for your weaving all over the road, speed limit exceeding, lane hogging antics?!

The guys i was ment to ride with bailed lol. maybe next weekend..

Dont worry I already told to cops to pull over any zxrs on the coro loop this weekend.. And it wasnt weaving lol It was getting blown around by the wind lol
:p

I dont know if i should take it to court.. Maybe is should pay it.. Letting the system chew me up and spit me out.. lol

[HungusMaximist]

Look, take the L plate off but keep it with you at all times, chuck in the rear seat if it opens.

If you get the shits from the cops on your missing L plate, just give them the ''oh shit officer, it's been the 4th time my L plate has blown off so I always carry a spare one my pack'', then go ahead and pull out your L plate.

Yes I've done it and it's worked, just be genuine, with proper reasoning most cops are sweet.

[CookMySock]

or else YANK the thing off and put it in the boot, and give him the "it just fell off riiiight over there!! so I put it in my boot.. I'll remount it tonight!"

Steve

[bigfoot]

Now that youre a biker...... your "interactions" with the police will go up 10 fold......with mostly noone but ourselves to blame.... had never been pulled over in 5 years of driving a cage, pulled over 3 times in my first 8 months of biking. I got pulled over doing 117km/hr just out of wellington .... (rode in all the way from auckland by myself one day) without the L plates on. The copper didnt raise a fuss about the L plate, but said I was 47 clicks over the limit = loss of license. I says "I know you think its dangerous to be riding 30kmph over the limit, but dont you think its just as dangerous riding 30kmph slower than it ? ". He was all like "well the law is there for a reason" and I told him that it was under review at the moment, sir, good sir, ....... in the end he charged me with riding 17kmph over the limit.

Most cops are reasonable (unless theyre ginger and patrol SH17 in a nissan primera) .... just be respectful and logical with them !

[Ms Piggy]

Ouch, that's an expensive telling off!



"when your riding you need to be in the centre of the lane or as far left as your can"
now im thinking what the shit? that's not right but nodded head.

Ummm, I just checked what the LTSA say about keeping left and the cop is actually right. I've copied & pasted it.
"Keeping left

In New Zealand, vehicles drive on the left-hand side of the road.

It is essential to keep left, because if you don't you are likely to cause a head-on crash. This is one of the worst types of crash you can have, as it almost always results in death or severe injury.
What is a road?

The legal definition of a road is very broad. It includes not only streets and highways, but also any place the public has access to – including bridges, beaches, riverbeds, car parks, reserve lands, wharves and road shoulders.

Because of this, you should apply road rules at all times when you're driving, even when you aren't on a public road.
Keeping left on a laned road

Most roads in New Zealand have lanes marked on them with a white line or raised studs.

When driving on a laned road, it is important to drive your vehicle within your lane.

Where there are two or more lanes on your side of the centre line:

* keep in the left-hand lane as much as you can
* don't use the lane closest to the centre line if you will hold up other vehicles.

The lane closest to the centre line should only be used when:

* you want to pass another vehicle
* you want to turn right
* the left-hand lane is full with other traffic or is blocked."

http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/roadcode/about-driving/keeping-left.html

[roy.nz]

Yea, I'm gutted as. I mean its not like I was doing 160 down there, which can be pretty easy :P. 112 on the motorway cruising with traffic.. Its abit unfair but at least he got some of his quota lol

Dont worry i've also been part off the quota like that. Lost my licence and payed $3500 to the quota system.
At least they;l have a wicked christmas party. :beer:

[icekiwi]

Seem to recall some chuckling Monkey when I lost my licence earlier in the year....Good on ya mate your on the Demerit point plan to Walking...
Take a couple of HTFU pills,put ya hand in ya wallet an pay your bill...

Hehee I can say that he's my stepson....And yep Its good to see he's following my fine example...

[Mikkel]

Contest it - that ticket is about as solid as a snowball in hell. I really hope you haven't paid it yet! As has been said before, if they make a significant mistake on the ticket it is likely to be waived. I would just send the police a letter with a copy of the ticket in it and say you will contest the ticket based upon the fact that it is incorrect and draw their attention to the "speed limit = 70 km/h" bit. I wouldn't make any admissions at all.

The only breach of the traffic code you are guilty of are:
-Breach of license condition - $400 25 demerits
-Exceeding the speed limit by 12 km/h - $80 (IIRC) 20 demerits
-Rego expired - dunno

The first bit is under review and most reasonable cops would mention it to you but not fine you for it. Not to mention that sticking to the 70 is both stupid and dangerous.
Exceeding the speed limit by 12 km/h, yes you can get a ticket for that.
Rego expired... recently, most reasonable cops would point it out and tell you to get it sorted ASAP. Was your WOF still current?

Sounds to me like you had the misfortune of running into a real bastard of a cop. I dunno if there's any means of complaint about an individual cop, but you shouldn't just let him get away with this bullshit.

Best of luck with it.

[monkeymsea]

Ouch, that's an expensive telling off!


Ummm, I just checked what the LTSA say about keeping left and the cop is actually right. I've copied & pasted it.
"Keeping left

In New Zealand, vehicles drive on the left-hand side of the road.

It is essential to keep left, because if you don't you are likely to cause a head-on crash. This is one of the worst types of crash you can have, as it almost always results in death or severe injury.
What is a road?

The legal definition of a road is very broad. It includes not only streets and highways, but also any place the public has access to – including bridges, beaches, riverbeds, car parks, reserve lands, wharves and road shoulders.

Because of this, you should apply road rules at all times when you're driving, even when you aren't on a public road.
Keeping left on a laned road

Most roads in New Zealand have lanes marked on them with a white line or raised studs.

When driving on a laned road, it is important to drive your vehicle within your lane.

Where there are two or more lanes on your side of the centre line:

* keep in the left-hand lane as much as you can
* don't use the lane closest to the centre line if you will hold up other vehicles.

The lane closest to the centre line should only be used when:

* you want to pass another vehicle
* you want to turn right
* the left-hand lane is full with other traffic or is blocked."

http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/roadcode/about-driving/keeping-left.html


OK that maybe the case in a cage..

I have to motorcyclists road code in my hand.. bear with me while I write it out..

Position
You can use your position on the road to make sure others see you, by riding in the position taken up by the RIGHT-HAND WHEELS of the vehicle in front of you.

Need me to continue?

When riding in this position at the correct following distance, you will be seen in the rear view mirror of the vehicle in front, and therefore ,more likely to be noticed. This right wheel track position also allows you to see to be seen by oncoming vehicles, and for you to see them.

As well as helping you to be seen, riding in this lane position allows you to avoid oil slicks that form in the center of lanes.

So the copper was just talking out his arse excuse the language

[Zoolander]

What the hell, so they are expecting all L plate riders to ride slower than the traffic or ride at 70kph. Expect a hell of a lot more 'accidents' and road rage (all perfectly avoidable if they pulled finger and actually thought about their stupid law).
I thought keeping up with the traffic was safer than riding slow, especially on a bike when cars like sniffing your arse?

Stupid stupid stupid.

Yea but you're missing the point, the 70kmh law is not there to make you ride slower than the flow of motorway traffic, it's to keep learners off the motorway altogether.

Maybe its a stupid law but when I was helping out with BHS courses and the like I definately saw more than a few riders who should have stuck to 50k zones for a good few months.

[Mikkel]

Yea but you're missing the point, the 70kmh law is not there to make you ride slower than the flow of motorway traffic, it's to keep learners off the motorway altogether.

Maybe its a stupid law but when I was helping out with BHS courses and the like I definately saw more than a few riders who should have stuck to 50k zones for a good few months.

That may be the case, however, if you can not build a level of skill and confidence on a motorcycle that will allow you to travel at the open road speed limit in a competent manner in much less than 6 months you would do well to stay away from motorcycling altogether.

[Ixion]

HAd the intention of the legislators been to prevent learners riding on motorways, they could have done so explicitly . "You may not ride on a motorway" : Or, "You may not ride on a road with a 100kph speed limit".

[Maki]

"when you were riding you were "weaving" all over the place on the right hand side of the lane"
"its windy sir hard to keep the bike in a straight line"
"when your riding you need to be in the centre of the lane or as far left as your can"
now im thinking what the shit? that's not right but nodded head.
" Im just trying to stop you guys getting knocked off bikes, your speed limit is 70 not 100 its there for a reason"
walks back to his car.




Thanks for your yarn. The cop obviously does not know his arse from his elbow. You have grounds to complain about his ignorance, the higher up you do it, the better... Transport minister maybe....

You are supposed to ride in the right side of the lane. It is the safest way because it is easier for drivers to see you and it is easier for you to see them. Hiding on the left side of the lane is not good for your health...

Police offiers who distribute wrong and dangerous disinformation should be taken off the street and re-educated before they are allowed to continue harrasing people...

[scracha]

Keeping left on a laned road

http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/roadcode/about-driving/keeping-left.html

Yeah, stay in the left lane of the road. it doesn't say anywhere stay to the left of the lane.

I hope John Key does something about getting the large amount of nazi's in the NZ police force out on their arse....they're just giving the good cops a bad rep. Doing someone for a rego that'd expired a week ago is just ridiculous.

Write a letter in begging mercy for the expired rego (wot with all the other fines and all) and accept the 25 points and 12kmph above limit thingie. If you get no joy then I'd speak to a lawyer before appealing it.

[discotex]

Step 1 - Take down the photo and if you really want to put it back up blur out the rest of the identifying stuff like rego and officer number.

Step 2 - DO NOT PAY THE TICKET - Might not even be processed because of the errors - speed limit, demerits, speeding offence noted when you weren't "speeding" etc.

Step 3 - If a reminder notice ever turns up you should contest it based on the glaring errors. Re-read Ixion and Mikkel's posts if you need more info.

And don't sweat the demerits. That whole section is wrong. You might get 25 for breach of license condition tho.

Watch out L platers. The :Police: in Auckland seem to be making up their quotas (is it done annually?) on this rule lately. Have heard of many learners being pulled for over 70km/h in the last 2 months. Lovely xmas presents huh. $800 if you're missing the L plate too.

[Ms Piggy]

OK that maybe the case in a cage..

I have to motorcyclists road code in my hand.. bear with me while I write it out..

Position
You can use your position on the road to make sure others see you, by riding in the position taken up by the RIGHT-HAND WHEELS of the vehicle in front of you.

Need me to continue?

When riding in this position at the correct following distance, you will be seen in the rear view mirror of the vehicle in front, and therefore ,more likely to be noticed. This right wheel track position also allows you to see to be seen by oncoming vehicles, and for you to see them.

As well as helping you to be seen, riding in this lane position allows you to avoid oil slicks that form in the center of lanes.

So the copper was just talking out his arse excuse the language
Ah okay, thanks for that. I stand corrected.

I was pretty sure there was a question in the written test about keeping left (which is what got me thinking about it when I read your post) and that info was all I could find on the LTSA website.

[monkeymsea]

Ah okay, thanks for that. I stand corrected.

I was pretty sure there was a question in the written test about keeping left (which is what got me thinking about it when I read your post) and that info was all I could find on the LTSA website.

No problems mate :p

I read the motorcyclist road code religiously before my learners lols