Filtering, legal - not legal?

[roy.nz]

Okay here i go ....
I ride to work and back everyday which is beautiful i must say, but i have one concern which bugs me.
Filtering is it allowed or do coppers turn a blind eye to you if they see you arn't going at warp factor 9 between traffic.
I pass a cop at least 3 times a week and just carry on ridding like i was and on two occasions i've had the cop give me some space.
So i'd just like to know. Any coppers out there wanna give me there take on the subject?????
:scooter:

[fireball]

if the cop is having a good day.... legal
cop having a bad day.... illegal

the law is yes and no on filtering/lane splitting.

[Gubb]

A quick tour of the "search" function will give you more than enough information.

This has been discussed ad nauseam.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=21150&highlight=lane+splitting

[PirateJafa]

It's in a fuzzy section. The cops have half a dozen things they could ptoentially spring most people for.

As a rule, don't be a tool and you'll be fine. I happily split past cops and have never been given a second glance.

Keep the speed differential down to something reasonable.

[roy.nz]

Sweet thanks for that, helps a bit :rockon: and ROCK hard.

[hospitalfood]

It's in a fuzzy section. The cops have half a dozen things they could ptoentially spring most people for.

As a rule, don't be a tool and you'll be fine. I happily split past cops and have never been given a second glance.

Keep the speed differential down to something reasonable.

yep,i agree, but remember to indicate, leaving the right on the whole time is better than not using the indicators.

[musicman]

I ride on the footpath past cops and around the police station and they don't give me a second look. Helps that there's an Auckland City Council logo on the bike though, haha.

[stify]

yep,i agree, but remember to indicate, leaving the right on the whole time is better than not using the indicators.

I don't think they give a rats arse really, me flatie(traffic cop) has said as long as ya aint flying through traffic at warp factor 9 u be ok, have tested this with car patrols on te mway daily...no tickets....yet, havn't had the chance to test it with bike cops thou

[CookMySock]

The roadcode plainly says you can pass on the right and share the lane provided there is room and that it is safe. You must do a normal passing manoevre - just using less space than a car. The roadcode also says you may pass a car on the left provided he is turning right.

Steve

[nodrog]

worry about it if you get pulled over

[scracha]

Who gives a fuck. If the traffic is busy enough to warrant filtering then the cop aint gonna be able to stop you.

[MarkH]

The roadcode plainly says you can pass on the right and share the lane provided there is room and that it is safe. You must do a normal passing manoevre - just using less space than a car. The roadcode also says you may pass a car on the left provided he is turning right.

Steve

Unfortunately there are lots of cars on the Auckland motorways that drive to the right of the right lane, leaving a nice gap of the left lane, which I often use to pass them. I go with the biggest gap and hope the police don't bother me about it - I know it's illegal, but that doesn't mean they will stop me for it.

[madbikeboy]

Filtering is really bad. We should sit in the nice orderly queues with all those nice people in cars.

Tui.

I tend to give the fuzz a polite wave. I did that this morning and got a really nice smile back from a cute brunette chick cop - was tempted to pop a small wheelstand so I had an excuse to say hi. :love:

[Swoop]

I did that this morning and got a really nice smile back from a cute brunette chick cop - was tempted to pop a small wheelstand so I had an excuse to say hi. :love:
I'm sure you would get her name by doing that. She would probably even write it down on a piece of paper for you.:whistle:

[roy.nz]

I don't think they give a rats arse really, me flatie(traffic cop) has said as long as ya aint flying through traffic at warp factor 9 u be ok, have tested this with car patrols on te mway daily...no tickets....yet, havn't had the chance to test it with bike cops thou

Hey stify i tested it with a bike cop the other day thats why i was kinda in 2 minds bout the whole thing.:Punk:

[Marmoot]

Can any auckland filters provide an enlightenment on how you use the turn signals while filtering. I've seen this all the time but still couldn't work out the rationale.

[nodrog]

Can any auckland filters provide an enlightenment on how you use the turn signals while filtering. I've seen this all the time but still couldn't work out the rationale.

cover all your options and ride with the hazard lights on.

[Swoop]

Can any auckland filters provide an enlightenment on how you use the turn signals while filtering. I've seen this all the time but still couldn't work out the rationale.
You are overtaking a vehicle, so therefore you will be using your right hand indicators...
If you are using your left, that means you are under-taking and therefore being naughty.

[prvoke]

I use what ever lane has more room in it to split, not a fan of riding down the bumpy lane markers but it happens from time to time. Im with the thinkn that if the speed differential isnt rediculous then cops have better things to do like pulling over modified cars to get some revenue.

[Mully]

Can any auckland filters provide an enlightenment on how you use the turn signals while filtering. I've seen this all the time but still couldn't work out the rationale.

I tend to filter with the right indicator going. My theory is that a flashing orange light may have slightly more chance of gaining a cager's attention tham just the headlight. Plus you are "technically" overtaking.

Can we have another waving thread now, please?

[MarkH]

I tend to filter with the right indicator going. My theory is that a flashing orange light may have slightly more chance of gaining a cager's attention tham just the headlight.

I prefer the cagers to not realise I am there until I have already gone past, if they could just ignore me and carry on as they are I can get by without a problem.

[klingon]

I tend to filter with the right indicator going. My theory is that a flashing orange light may have slightly more chance of gaining a cager's attention tham just the headlight. Plus you are "technically" overtaking.

Can we have another waving thread now, please?

While indicating right, you should be waving at the police with your left hand. Leaves your right hand free to work the throttle & brake. Personally I prefer nodding. :yes:

[vifferman]

Unfortunately there are lots of cars on the Auckland motorways that drive to the right of the right lane, leaving a nice gap of the left lane, which I often use to pass them.
Yeah, that's freakin' annoying, although understandable: drivers can more easily line their vehicle up with the lane marker closest to them.

[PuppetMaster]

Ive been ticketed for lane splitting. Like someone mentioned, when the rapist, I mean policeman, needs to fill his/her quota then you may get a ticket, otherwise you wont.
If it is illegal, is that going to stop you filtering ?

[GSXR Trace]

cover all your options and ride with the hazard lights on.

ditto - but some bikes don't have hazards... most people tend to leave one side going the whole time... I use to change it depending on which side of line I was travelling, or which side of me a car looked liked like they were wanting to swerve into me!

[Mully]

I prefer the cagers to not realise I am there until I have already gone past, if they could just ignore me and carry on as they are I can get by without a problem.

Double-eged sword, that one. If they don't see you at all (SMIDSY), then they may decide that they want to be in a different lane as you approach unseen.

I find most cagers aren't too bad at making room (or at least not moving into my way) if they know I'm there. It's like everything, the stupid minority who are consumed with jealousy at having to sit in traffic ruin it for everyone.

And don't get me started on bus drivers.

[prvoke]

when i had my 250 hardly anyone would move over. Followed gf's old man on his harley and it was like mosses parting the sea. They couldnt move fast enough. Have to say since i got a bigger and louder bike they do seem to move more often. apart from the odd a$$hole that moves over delibratley im sure

[madbikeboy]

Can we have another waving thread now, please?

:nono::headbang::bye::bye::bye::bye::bye::bye:

[pzkpfw]

Ive been ticketed for lane splitting. Like someone mentioned, when the rapist, I mean policeman, needs to fill his/her quota then you may get a ticket, otherwise you wont.
If it is illegal, is that going to stop you filtering ?

What was the specific charge?

[roy.nz]

Dont worry we wont get you started on bus drivers we all know how shit they are, the other day one cut me off on onewa rd so i got in front of him and slowed right down to like 10kph, sorry to all the cagers, the bus driver didnt like it :2guns::2guns::2guns::2guns: MF

[CookMySock]

I prefer the cagers to not realise I am there until I have already gone past, if they could just ignore me and carry on as they are I can get by without a problem.You wanna be pretty careful doing that, but I think you will get clobbered one day.


when i had my 250 hardly anyone would move over. Followed gf's old man on his harley and it was like mosses parting the sea. They couldnt move fast enough. Have to say since i got a bigger and louder bike they do seem to move more often. apart from the odd a$$hole that moves over delibratley im sureOh yeah. I couldn't believe it when I first saw it - just squeeze the loud handle and woah big gaps appear!

Steve

[stify]

You be pretty Oh yeah. I just squeeze the loud handle and woah big gaps appear
Steve

dude.......:shit:

[wbks]

bahahahahahahaha

[mattian]

The roadcode also says you may pass a car on the left provided he is turning right.

Steve

Or, you can pass stationary traffic on the left?? is that correct?? I do that frequently if there is not enough room to split on the right. I'm always careful to merge back into the queue once it starts moving again. I think thats acceptable :innocent:

[jetboy]

And don't get me started on bus drivers.

I reckon. I had one aim at me from the other side of the road today...he was passing a car that was reverse-parallel parking and didn't see me.

[Babelfish]

ditto - but some bikes don't have hazards...

You would quickly alternate left to right on your indicators so that it kind of looks like hazards...<_<

Given that so far only one person has mentioned they've been nailed by the fuzz while filtering, I reackon its more the nutjobs in the cars you need to watch for...or the other nutjobs on bikes not giving a fuck about differential and barrelling across 3 lanes right in front of you. :stupid:

I have been told off by a complete fuckwit cop who'd gone all limp wristed about filtering (he was on his way to a car vs filtering bike about 2 km ahead). Got on his loud speaker and did his best DJ bit "this is radio donut, comin in yer ears! You watch your ridin or I'll be pulling you over and showin you how important I am....and in weather..."

I alway watch my differential, although twice fell off the couch so lost sight of it. ::blink:

[p.dath]

The roadcode plainly says you can pass on the right and share the lane provided there is room and that it is safe. You must do a normal passing manoevre - just using less space than a car. The roadcode also says you may pass a car on the left provided he is turning right.

Steve

It also says something about needing to have 100m of visibility throughout the entire overtaking manoeuvre. If you driving down the motorway you can sometimes lane splits for many km's before merging back in. There is no way you could meet the visibility requirements.

[mossy1200]

You would quickly alternate left to right on your indicators so that it kind of looks like hazards...<_<

Given that so far only one person has mentioned they've been nailed by the fuzz while filtering, I reackon its more the nutjobs in the cars you need to watch for...or the other nutjobs on bikes not giving a fuck about differential and barrelling across 3 lanes right in front of you. :stupid:

I have been told off by a complete fuckwit cop who'd gone all limp wristed about filtering (he was on his way to a car vs filtering bike about 2 km ahead). Got on his loud speaker and did his best DJ bit "this is radio donut, comin in yer ears! You watch your ridin or I'll be pulling you over and showin you how important I am....and in weather..."

I alway watch my differential, although twice fell off the couch so lost sight of it. ::blink:

Pull on the choke and use double hand signals.

[Babelfish]

Pull on the choke and use double hand signals.

...I do prefer both hands during a choke pulling exercise :drool:

[Indiana_Jones]

Everything's legal till you get caught bro.

-Indy

[wysper]

Can we have another waving thread now, please?

Allright... is it ok to wave to lane splitters? and what if they don't wave back?




It also says something about needing to have 100m of visibility throughout the entire overtaking manoeuvre. If you driving down the motorway you can sometimes lane splits for many km's before merging back in. There is no way you could meet the visibility requirements.

I reckon you could see 100mtrs down the road while you are splitting, sure it may be packed with vehicles.....

[p.dath]

Allright... is it ok to wave to lane splitters? and what if they don't wave back?





I reckon you could see 100mtrs down the road while you are splitting, sure it may be packed with vehicles.....

But you have to have the visibility throughout the entire overtaking procedure, which includes pulling back into the lane.

But hey, I say we just keep on doing it.

[Insanity_rules]

You wanna be pretty careful doing that, but I think you will get clobbered one day.

Oh yeah. I couldn't believe it when I first saw it - just squeeze the loud handle and woah big gaps appear!

Steve

Ditto there, my first ride to work on this particular ducati was spectacular. Mind you I have loud competitions with my mates harley.

[wysper]

But you have to have the visibility throughout the entire overtaking procedure, which includes pulling back into the lane.

But hey, I say we just keep on doing it.

I also think there is something about clear road too.....:devil2:

[MarkH]

But you have to have the visibility throughout the entire overtaking procedure, which includes pulling back into the lane.

But hey, I say we just keep on doing it.

Well, I don't intend to stop doing it - buggered if I ride instead of drive and sit in traffic anyway.

[Waxxa]

Legal...but there are certain 'rules' to follow.

[p.dath]

I think we have to agree that riding in the grey area of the law is more satisfying than riding in such a way so that you can avoid all the grey areas.

And from a legal perspective, I hope we never have so many laws and regulations that there is no more grey left. By that point all the fun in life will have been sucked out, and riding will be an exercise in compliance.

[neilwgtn]

It has to be illegal cause its fun!!

yesterday was a good one - trains broke in wellington again so there was lots of traffic leaving town at 4:30.
I was filtering between lanes 1-2 and another bike was filtering between lanes 2-3

Im sure i beat him!!
traffic was at a stand still.....

though you have to be an idiot to do it when traffic is moving freely and cars can cross lanes.. fine when the traffic is stopped and nobody can swap lanes..

[marioc]

On my peak commute home in Welly I shoot right down the shoulder on the far left.
This is illegal yes?,to me it seems safer as there is a crapload of room .

[klingon]

On my peak commute home in Welly I shoot right down the shoulder on the far left.
This is illegal yes?,to me it seems safer as there is a crapload of room .

Safer, yes. Legal, no.
This is not a grey area - it's a definite blue. :Police:
Riding on the "emergency stopping shoulder" is not allowed.

(I didn't say you shouldn't do it though...)

[klingon]

I'm afraid I have become a bit naughty in my recent attempts to test police policy. Whenever I see a police car during my commute I attempt to filter/split past it just to see what will happen. :shifty:

So far I have been very disappointed in the result as the police haven't a) pulled me over or b) addressed me through their loudspeaker or c) done a U-turn in front of me. :no:

Must try harder.

[p.dath]

... c) done a U-turn in front of me. :no:

Must try harder.

You can test how well the paint is baked onto the outside of their car panels.

[scracha]

Why don't these useless fookers in BRONZ campaign to make filtering legal?

[MaxCannon]

My experience during my daily filtering

Red and White patrol cars don't seem to care. Perhaps they don't have quotas to fill.

Bike cops ignore me - twice I've been waved through when I've come up behind them (both times on Fridays before long weekends when traffic was at a standstill)
I have seen them pull over other bikes / scooters. The last one seemed to deserve it as he was riding very quick.

Undercover cars (who do they think they are fooling with those wheels and the lights on the parcel tray) don't look twice.

Yellow and white highway patrol cars take a great deal of interest in what I'm doing.
I've seen one just about cause an accident changing lanes to get a closer look (no lights, no indicator).
I see one on a regular basis who tracks me like a hawk. Tend to stop filtering until he can't see me.

Still - I've never been stopped. So long as you keep your speed reasonable and your riding smooth it seems unlikely you will draw too much attention.