Assumptions

[Maha]

Assumptions are made by those that think they know, but really only have a small piece of evidence to go on while they paint the whole picture as it really happened

Why people continue to voice their opinoins on what the hell happened and why, yesterday in the South Island is beyond me to be honest

I digress...

While heading home North yesterday, traffic was back up to the Satellite Staion south of Warkworth. I didnt really care, I was on the bike, time to jump into the oncoming lane (where possible) and make my way north in a safe manner, in the oncoming lane as it was not that busy heading South. All the time keeping a keen eye on whats coming so I can jump to the left when I need too. I was never (at any stage) that far into the south bound lane at any on time, no need to be. I saw this red van coming and pulled back close to the North bound traffic (very slow moving cars) maybe I was just on the white lines? but this van actually came closer to me than I care for, and made the point of horn blasting at me....he could have move slightly to his left if he felt he was on a collision track with me. This is where the 'Assumption' comes in....I would imagine that, the other road users assumed that I was the twat in this case, when in actual fact, I was indeed being a safe road user.

[AD345]

Assumtions are made by those that think they know, but really only have a small piece of evidence to go on while they paint the whole picture as it really happened

Why people continue to voice their opinoins on what the hell happened and why, yesterday in the South Island is beyond me to be honest

I digress...

While heading home North yesterday, traffic was back up to the Satellite Staion south of Warkworth. I didnt really care, I was on the bike, time to jump into the oncoming lane (where possible) and make my way north in a safe manner, in the oncoming lane as it was not that busy heading South. All the time keeping a keen eye on whats coming so I can jump to the left when I need too. I was never (at any stage) that far into the south bound lane at any on time, no need to be. I saw this red van coming and pulled back close to the North bound traffic (very slow moving cars) maybe I was just on the white lines? but this van actually came closer to me than I care for, and made the point of horn blasting at me....he could have move slightly to his left if he felt he was on a collision track with me. This is where the 'Assumtion' comes in....I would imagine that, the other road users assumed that I was the twat in this case, when in actual fact, I was indeed being a safe road user.

I assume you meant to put a "p" in all those assumptions...



Oh I crack myself up

[portokiwi]

:hug: At least you got home safely mate:2thumbsup

[ducatilover]

its just evil cage dwelling jealousy :girlfight: atleast the wanker didnt hit you

[blossomsowner]

i know what you mean about this safe overtaking stuff.


most vehicles will see you and actually move over a bit and make your life easier..........theres just the odd dickhead trying to teach us riders a lesson we don't need to be taught.

I was overtaking a long queue the other day including a 4wd with big tandem trailer. (note the traffic really jammed, very slow, in 50kmh area) when trailer guy speeds up to repass me and pulls towards me cutting me off as he did so.

i had no choice but to back right off and pull out of his way.........couldn't speed up as he was jamming me into other vehicles................

anyway as long as we are wise all will be well.........sure beats being stuck in a traffic jam

[BMWST?]

Keep totally to he left of the centre line if there is oncomimg traffic...thats what i think is the requirement and intent of the law.You are placing your life in thir hands.....people expect you to stay on YOUR side of the raod

[kiwifruit]

Motorcycles are dangerous, and should be banned.

[ducatilover]

Motorcycles are dangerous, and should be banned.

:spanking::spanking::spanking::nono:

[RC1]

he was probabaly a motorcyclist pissed off he wasnt riding

[carver]

assumptions are what kiwibiker is about.
one of my know it all work colleagues does it alot

[Maha]

Keep totally to he left of the centre line if there is oncomimg traffic...thats what i think is the requirement and intent of the law.You are placing your life in thir hands.....people expect you to stay on YOUR side of the raod

Not a possibility when you are overtaking....which essentially is what I was doing at the time. But may have been looked upon differently by the slow moving car drivers, I dont care about that so much....its the 'Assumption' that is made after the fact, that I am pointing out.

[Maha]

I assume you meant to put a "p" in all those assumptions...



Oh I crack myself up


Yes thank you for pointing that out and saving my arse from ridicule....:shutup:

[martybabe]

Doing things right and safely is good but even then, on our best behaviour, trying to make safe progress, the buggers will still hunt you down and mess you up.

Coming to the end of a small town yesterday in a fifty zone, doing fifty,in the middle of my lane. The 100k sign is looming large about 300 metres away, when I noticed a white car swerving from side to side behind me. I interpret this as an impatient bastard trying to find a way around me cause in his/her opinion I should be doing 100k by now despite kids trying to cross and joining traffic ahead.

I guess this, woman, as it happens, was very important because taking 5 seconds off her journey was worth risking her, mine, and a few pedestrians lives as she whisked past about six inches off my right hand side, crossing the centre line into oncoming traffic and on collision course with the kids, two of which ran for cover.

Come the 100 zone and she's smug as, cause she's managed to get her rusty pile of crap up to about 65 now and about 1 nanosecond later the naughty gentleman biker, father of seven and lover to thousands, glides on by on a whiff of throttle.

So there we have it, a pointless stupid and dangerous episode that achieved absolutely bugger all apart from simultaneously scaring the bejesus out of about ten people. Lord give me strength.:nono:

[Gubb]

Yes thank you for pointing that out and saving my arse from redicule....:shutup:

Fuck redicule, it's the ridicule i'm worried about!

[Maha]

Fuck redicule, it's the ridicule i'm worried about!

So I am a dropout uneducated non Shcool C reaching egg, but im a loveable dropout uneducated non Shcool C reaching egg

[BMWST?]

....its the 'Assumption' that is made after the fact, that I am pointing out.


ahaaa i missed that nuance.....sorry my bad

[Maha]

Doing things right and safely is good but even then, on our best behaviour, trying to make safe progress, the buggers will still hunt you down and mess you up.

Coming to the end of a small town yesterday in a fifty zone, doing fifty,in the middle of my lane. The 100k sign is looming large about 300 metres away, when I noticed a white car swerving from side to side behind me. I interpret this as an impatient bastard trying to find a way around me cause in his/her opinion I should be doing 100k by now despite kids trying to cross and joining traffic ahead.

I guess this, woman, as it happens, was very important because taking 5 seconds of her journey was worth risking her, mine, and a few pedestrians lives as she whisked past about six inches off my right hand side, crossing the centre line into oncoming traffic and on collision course with the kids, two of which ran for cover.

Come the 100 zone and she's smug as, cause she's managed to get her rusty pile of crap up to about 65 now and about 1 nanosecond later the naughty gentleman biker, father of seven and lover to thousands, glides on by on a whiff of throttle.

So there we have it, a pointless stupid and dangerous episode that achieved absolutely bugger all apart from simultaneously scaring the bejesus out of about ten people. Lord give me strength.:nono:


Oh how the worm did turn on that occassion Marty!
Yes I certainly love it when that kinda thing happens.
No assuming in this instance, just a gratified biker, with a wee smirk on his face at some stage?

[martybabe]

Oh how the worm did turn on that occasion Marty!
Yes I certainly love it when that kinda thing happens.
No assuming in this instance, just a gratified biker, with a wee smirk on his face at some stage?

Well only that because I was doing fifty in sight of a 100k sign she must have assumed that I was going to continue to hold her up on a 1400cc bike 10 seconds later when we hit the 100k zone.

More in line with your story, I can't help wondering if my little scenario had gone horribly wrong with several people injured, would people automatically assume that simply because a bike was involved in the carnage, that I was obviously at fault, to some degree.

Perhaps that has more to do with paranoia from reading all these biker down threads where (some) people will assume that you are always, somehow, responsible for the circumstances you find yourself in.

[Maha]

More in line with your story, I can't help wondering if my little scenario had gone horribly wrong with several people injured, would people automatically assume that simply because a bike was involved in the carnage, that I was obviously at fault, to some degree.

Perhaps that has more to do with paranoia from reading all these biker down threads where (some) people will assume that you are always, somehow, responsible for the circumstances you find yourself in.


Yes indeed, biker down threads become so opinionated very quickley, (I dont post in them) keeps the Mods on their toes thats for sure.

If I had of been hit/clipped by 'vanman' yesterday, eye witness reports would have pointed at me for doing something 'wrong'...in their eyes, thats my opinion anyway.

[gijoe1313]

All I can say is the pithy catch-all KB phrase :

"Burn them."

It is t3h wayz of de uber-l33t!

[smoky]

Not a possibility when you are overtaking....which essentially is what I was doing at the time. But may have been looked upon differently by the slow moving car drivers, I dont care about that so much....its the 'Assumption' that is made after the fact, that I am pointing out.

You presumed they were making that assumption, or assume they presumed that, but they may not of assumed what you presume they assumed.
They may of simply presumed the other guy was a dick, or assumed it anyway, and you assumed they presumed the opposite, I assume?
:niceone:

[Mully Clown]

If I had of been hit/clipped by 'vanman' yesterday, eye witness reports would have pointed at me for doing something 'wrong'...in their eyes, thats my opinion anyway.

Riding on the white line with oncoming traffic less than 100m away? It probably is classed as in the wrong.

[Maha]

You presumed they were making that assumption, or assume they presumed that, but they may not of assumed what you presume they assumed.
They may of simply presumed the other guy was a dick, or assumed it anyway, and you assumed they presumed the opposite, I assume?
:niceone:

Assumably you have cracked the code of the way I see it...we all can make an assumption that the other person is wrong....mmmm not always right.


Riding on the white line with oncoming traffic less than 100m away? It probably is classed as in the wrong.

When you put it like that yes!
But I was there and saw it unfold, as did a few others probably, and who said anything about 100mts??....or riding on the white lines?..I mentioned it yes but, sooner or later, when passing other vehicals, you will at some stage ride on the white lines, I was not riding along the white lines, I am not that good. Once again, an assumption has been made and that is how easy it is done.
I could have said something like....''riding his arse''...or....''riding on the edge'' none of which are true, it is litterally speaking!

[far queue]

So I am a dropout uneducated non Shcool C reaching egg, but im a loveable dropout uneducated non Shcool C reaching eggI assume you mean School?


I could have said something like....''riding his arse''...or....''riding on the edge'' none of which are true, it is litterally speaking!I assume you meant literally in which case I don't want to know about you riding someones arse :buggerd: However if you actually meant figuratively speaking then that's OK :done:

[FJRider]

I still fail to see how, after admitting to riding on the wrong side of the road (no matter how far), and riding on the white lines, then, having the cheek to lambast the van driver for "blasting his horn at you" (thats what warning devices are for). Then, you try to tell us you were riding safely...

[Kickaha]

Riding on the white line with oncoming traffic less than 100m away? It probably is classed as in the wrong.

Saw a classic example of that on the way home from Wangas, group of bikes go by, last rider on a RGV250 can't wait a few seconds for clear road and passes into oncoming traffic

[The Pastor]

apparently a few years after you go bald your distance judgment ability starts to fade. A side effect of getting old I'm afraid.

[FJRider]

apparently a few years after you go bald your distance judgment ability starts to fade. A side effect of getting old I'm afraid.

Being one-eyed doesn't help either...:rolleyes:

[scumdog]

apparently a few years after you go bald your distance judgment ability starts to fade. A side effect of getting old I'm afraid.

Same thing seems to happen to males who lack the ability to grow facial hair...a side effect of being young/dumb/full of cum.

[AllanB]

Unless they have ridden a remotely newish bike, car drivers have absolutely no idea at all how quick a motorcycle can move. Thus a passing maneuver that you consider safe often looks like utter madness to the oncoming vehicle.

Having said that while driving my car I have witnesses plenty of acts of utter madness by motorcyclists passing on blind corners, too little gap etc etc.

I myself have been guilty of a few 'questionable' passing maneuvers over the years. :bash:

I recall a incident years ago, up Nelson way, when I was on a open road corner at speed and found on the exit a car going much slower. And a truck on the opposite side of the road. I ended up in the grass edging - still travelling at some speed, fishtailing like mad with a rooster tail of grass and dust flying up from the rear tyre.
I remember to this day (as it appeared in slow motion too me) the expressions on the faces of the cars occupants as this crazy motorcycle passed them on the inside, on the grass.;)
I entered the road ahead of them and disappeared, pants somewhat squishier than a few seconds earlier.
I was lucky, as were the car occupants, who just as easily could have had me implanted in their boot.

I assume they thought I was an idiot, and they were correct. :Oops:

[pixc]

ahh a 'slow motion' incident..and a squishie moment as well. A lesson learnt no-doubt. I myself have had a couple of 'brown strides' moments. You learn very quickly to trust no-one and behave on the road

[blairh]

If I had of been hit/clipped by 'vanman' yesterday, eye witness reports would have pointed at me for doing something 'wrong'...in their eyes, thats my opinion anyway.

In my opinion, as a biker and a car driver, you would have been doing something wrong. A car coming in the opposite direction should never have to alter their course at all because of someone overtaking. If they were on their side of the white line, you should have been in far enough to the left to be safely out of their way.

If you can't get far enough to the left and 'assume' that the car driver will move for you, then he was probably right to toot at you.

As we tragically saw yesterday, it's just not worth the risk...

[Little Miss Trouble]

I had a similar sort of incident where car drivers were getting shitty at me for passing in bumper to bumper holiday traffic. Double yellows but I was wholy within my lane with most drivers pulling left to let me past. I still got at least 1 beep to every 30-40 cars passed though

[NighthawkNZ]

I assume you meant to put a "p" in all those assumptions...



Oh I crack myself up

P... Crack... all bad especially while riding :whistle::wacko:

[Grahameeboy]

I still fail to see how, after admitting to riding on the wrong side of the road (no matter how far), and riding on the white lines, then, having the cheek to lambast the van driver for "blasting his horn at you" (thats what warning devices are for). Then, you try to tell us you were riding safely...

He was not lambasting the van driver...he was riding safely...he had pulled over as far as he could....don't pick on my mate Marky...it is not his fault he is bald...

[Grahameeboy]

In my opinion, as a biker and a car driver, you would have been doing something wrong. A car coming in the opposite direction should never have to alter their course at all because of someone overtaking. If they were on their side of the white line, you should have been in far enough to the left to be safely out of their way.

If you can't get far enough to the left and 'assume' that the car driver will move for you, then he was probably right to toot at you.

As we tragically saw yesterday, it's just not worth the risk...

In this case though Mark did not cause the van driver to alter his direction to avoid him as the van driver altered his direction towards Mark..so he was initially out of the van driver's way...a wee bit of road rage on part of said van driver...

[Maha]

In my opinion, as a biker and a car driver, you would have been doing something wrong. A car coming in the opposite direction should never have to alter their course at all because of someone overtaking. If they were on their side of the white line, you should have been in far enough to the left to be safely out of their way.

If you can't get far enough to the left and 'assume' that the car driver will move for you, then he was probably right to toot at you.

As we tragically saw yesterday, it's just not worth the risk...

Thank you for your opinion........
The van did not have to alter his course, I had moved to my left before it reached me. It was then that he felt it necessary to move towards me and make an issue out of it...perhaps he thought I was in the wrong, or maybe his missus had just told him moments prior that he is a slack root, dont know...I am not bothered by it at all...but the thread title says it all really.
Assumption! you read about a situation, get a mental picture in your and comment on it, whether your comment is right or wrong, you beleive it and nothing will change that.

[Grahameeboy]

thank you for your opinion........
The van did not have to alter his course, i had moved to my left before it reached me. It was then that he felt it necessary to move towards me and make an issue out of it...perhaps he thought i was in the wrong, or maybe his missus had just told moments prior that hes a slack root, dont know...i am not bothered by it at all...but the thread title says it all really.
Assumption! You read about a situation, get a mental picture in your and comment on it, whether your comment is right or wrong, you beleive it and nothing will change that.

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[Ixion]

Get a gun and shoot the fuck.

[Grahameeboy]

Get a gun and shoot the fuck.

Don't see that in the BRONZ mission statement....

[Maha]

I still fail to see how, after admitting to riding on the wrong side of the road (no matter how far), and riding on the white lines, then, having the cheek to lambast the van driver for "blasting his horn at you" (thats what warning devices are for). Then, you try to tell us you were riding safely...

Did you not read the first post carefully?
Ask anybody who knows me how dangerous I am....
This thread is a perfect example of how the written (or in this case, typed) word gets missread....well done you. :wari:


Being one-eyed doesn't help either...:rolleyes:

And you know this of me how??......:laugh:
If I were in the wrong do you really think that I would post about it?
Its not a case of right or wrong, its a matter of fact.

[Skyryder]

Assumption is the art of knowing all things when there is no evidence to the contrary.

Skyryder

[Grahameeboy]

Assumption is the art of knowing all things when there is no evidence to the contrary.

Skyryder

And what evidence to you base that one....

[BM-GS]

As someone else once said: "Anytime you have to rely on another road user to see you, and for them to give a f*ck, in order for you to survive, you're already dead."

There's a good line in the Pomgolia Road Code that says something to the effect that you should never get yourself in a position where another road user has to alter course or speed in order to avoid an accident.

These work for me...

[Ixion]

Don't see that in the BRONZ mission statement....

It doesn't say it anywhere because it says it everywhere.

[Grahameeboy]

It doesn't say it anywhere because it says it everywhere.

Damn small print......

[Maha]

In this case though Mark did not cause the van driver to alter his direction to avoid him as the van driver altered his direction towards Mark..so he was initially out of the van driver's way...a wee bit of road rage on part of said van driver...


Thats the way I saw it Grahame, and I wasn't looking at it from a 'bikers' point of view (we do nothing wrong, right?) it was a regular day to day passing manoeuvre where someone took exception to what I was doing, My point in starting this thread was proven by FJ Rider.

[Grahameeboy]

Thats the way I saw it Grahame, and I wasn't looking at it from a 'bikers' point of view (we do nothing wrong, right?) it was a regular day to day passing manoeuvre where someone took exception to what I was doing, My point in starting this thread was proven by FJ Rider.

Our total ages are 92 so we are just too wise for some eh.....:eek5:

[NighthawkNZ]

And what evidence to you base that one....

its an Assumption

[Mystic13]

Assumptions are made by those that think they know, but really only have a small piece of evidence to go on while they paint the whole picture as it really happened

Why people continue to voice their opinoins on what the hell happened and why, yesterday in the South Island is beyond me to be honest

I digress...

While heading home North yesterday, traffic was back up to the Satellite Staion south of Warkworth. I didnt really care, I was on the bike, time to jump into the oncoming lane (where possible) and make my way north in a safe manner, in the oncoming lane as it was not that busy heading South. All the time keeping a keen eye on whats coming so I can jump to the left when I need too. I was never (at any stage) that far into the south bound lane at any on time, no need to be. I saw this red van coming and pulled back close to the North bound traffic (very slow moving cars) maybe I was just on the white lines? but this van actually came closer to me than I care for, and made the point of horn blasting at me....he could have move slightly to his left if he felt he was on a collision track with me. This is where the 'Assumption' comes in....I would imagine that, the other road users assumed that I was the twat in this case, when in actual fact, I was indeed being a safe road user.

Okay, is it me or does the first paragraph complain about people making assumptions. And then in the second paragraph you make an assumption about what the other person was thinking and assume they acted in a certain way etc.

I mean if you're going to assume you could also assume that he was in a bit of a day dream on a pretty much deserted road tootling North when "Shit... there's a bike on my side of the road... WTF, I wasn't expecting that" maybe said bike moves over but he is fixated on this bike (still being a little freaked out to see oncoming traffic in his lane) so he fixates on the bike and toots his horn to say "Dude you really freaked me out - you know I'm not really expecting someone to be riding toward me... can you please not do that!". And of course he doesn't know about object fixation as we do and doesn't realise the van is actually turning toward you because that's where he's looking.

Look I agree with you about people assuming things then commenting on their assumptions and it seems to me you did the same. I have no idea what happened out there.

I do know that bike riders experience things a little differently. The cage dwellers can get a little glazed over. I know i can when in the car.

When you buy a specific car you usually find suddenly you see them everywhere. Sunconsciously you become aware of them.

In defence of car drivers
- they are largely unconsciously aware of bikes unless they ride bikes.
- they do not appreciate the speed at which we accelerate and we just seem to come from nowhere. We have blistering acceleration.
- there distance judgement and vehicle movement calculation isn't set for bikes going quickly.


Bike riders assume
- that car drivers should be aware of the above.
- often seem to assume when passing a car late before a corner that they can do it if they have sufficient time to complete the pass even if a car comes around the corner. From many riders I've spoken to not many factor in "what if it's a bike that comes around the corner". I can tell you now if it's a bike going quickly that room you thought you had will be much shorter. Just out of curiosity how many here factor in "what if it's a bike going quickly coming around the corner?"
- that we have a right to perform at the speeds and level of acceleration we do even though other road users may not be able to process that.

Have you ever had the bike that comes out of nowhere and shoots past very close to you. This is what many car drivers experience. I wonder if it would be useful to start realising the dangers we impose on other road users because of the shear performance of our machines.

Them's me thoughts.

[Mom]

Look I agree with you about people assuming things then commenting on their assumptions and it seems to me you did the same. I have no idea what happened out there.

Them's me thoughts.

Good thoughts, and even better assumptions :yes:

In summer ALL the traffic is heading north, yesterday there were something like 10km queues of traffic attempting to get through Warkworth. They were travelling at maybe 10 kph if they were lucky. Today was not much better FWIW.

You have assumed Maha was riding south towards oncoming traffic causing an oncoming driver to get target fixated and swerve towards him. Knowing him rather well I would venture to suggest it went something like this...

Big huge endless stream of almost stationary traffic creeping north towards home. Long straight parts of the road he would have (when no immediate oncoming vehicles heading south, of which there are few at this time of the year, were there) slowly crawled past the parked cars heading north, when something was in view heading south he would have slipped back into the parked queue. I am not assuming that this van driver did in fact get pissed off and deliberately head towards Maha with his horn blaring, I know this because Maha has said it happened. I am picking this bloke has been called back to work, when he thought he was on holiday and is pissed off generally.

EDIT: actually I am not picking that is what happened, I am assuming :yes:

[madandy]

Had this van driver hit you and witnesses stated to police the van in fact swerved towards you I doubt anyone would care much which side of the white line you were on - the collision would have to be classed as manslaughter at best, attempted, or sucessful murder at worst.

100m of clear road ahead once you've finished the manouvre and returend to your lane the law may state but that gives no one the right to endanger ones life needlessly.

[Mystic13]

Good thoughts, and even better assumptions :yes:

In summer ALL the traffic is heading north, yesterday there were something like 10km queues of traffic attempting to get through Warkworth. They were travelling at maybe 10 kph if they were lucky. Today was not much better FWIW.

You have assumed Maha was riding south towards oncoming traffic causing an oncoming driver to get target fixated and swerve towards him. Knowing him rather well I would venture to suggest it went something like this...


Well spotted... damn that assumption was wrong and .....

"In summer ALL the traffic is heading north"

really? ALL the traffic?. I was down south and there was plenty there. I even saw it on the news showing the Kopu Bridge.

I think it may be safe to assume that this thread shouldn't be posted in for fear of having your assumptions aired in public...:laugh:

I assume this thread has served it's purpose.

P.S. And you assumed I thought all the traffic was heading to Aucks. I could have thought all traffic was heading out of Aucks and just didn't write what I meant to say. Assumptions are a wonderful thing. Let's go with the general gist of my post shall we.....lol

[BMWST?]

....or riding on the white lines?..I mentioned it yes but, sooner or later, when passing other vehicals, you will at some stage ride on the white lines, I was not riding along the white lines, I am not that good. Once again, an assumption has been made and that is how easy it is done.



I saw this red van coming and pulled back close to the North bound traffic (very slow moving cars) maybe I was just on the white lines?

You said that you were on or even over the white line(in the south bound lane.Close to the North bound traffic....to me that means you havent merged with them you are riding alongside...it was not an assumption .

[98tls]

Interesting Mom,any ideas how we can keep them heading north in winter?28 deg down here and had to pass an annoying number of cars over the pig-route today as myself and a few mates went over on bikes.

[98tls]

You said that you were on or even over the white line(in the south bound lane.Close to the North bound traffic....to me that means you havent merged with them you are riding alongside...it was not an assumption .
Yea but your assuming Maha knows what he posts means.:msn-wink:

[Maha]

Okay, is it me or does the first paragraph complain about people making assumptions. And then in the second paragraph you make an assumption about what the other person was thinking and assume they acted in a certain way etc.



First sentence?....I was stating not complaining...
Second sentnce?....yes, you are absolutely right...

But...and here's the thing....this happened to Me, I was there and I tell it how I saw it (how many times do I have to say that?)...what vanman did was stoopid (in my opinion) nothing happened to me or him, he went on his merry way as did I. He did move towards me, no doubt about it, I am not complaining about it...just sharing an incident, and I am interested in the comments so far. This thread was started to see how many actually got a clear picture of what happened...because its proven so many times in these sort of threads, that its not the case.

Thank you for your input.

[Maha]

Yea but your assuming Maha knows what he posts means.:msn-wink:

Bling sent.....:lol:

[NighthawkNZ]

But...and here's the thing....this happened to Me, I was there and I tell it how I saw it (how many times do I have to say that


Vanman saw it differently

[Maha]

Vanman saw it differently

Yes he did....the little horror....:cool:

[FJRider]

Did you assume we would all agree with your point of veiw... and assumptions...???

[Tone165]

Shame that red van man did not assume that you would follow him home and cut his childrens throats while he watched.

Thats what you should have done....now that knob thinks he did a public service keeping bikes to the same limitations as cars.

Too late now...but next time...I expect you to do the right thing...for all of our sakes!

I could be his next victim!!!!!!!

[Hitcher]

Hands up everybody who's still alive!

[Hitcher]

Hands up everybody who's still alive!

Omigosh, that tickles...

[98tls]

Shame that red van man did not assume that you would follow him home and cut his childrens throats while he watched.

Thats what you should have done... So these demons you see,want to talk about it?:wacko::msn-wink:

[scumdog]

Shame that red van man did not assume that you would follow him home and cut his childrens throats while he watched.

Thats what you should have done....now that knob thinks he did a public service keeping bikes to the same limitations as cars.

Too late now...but next time...I expect you to do the right thing...for all of our sakes!

I could be his next victim!!!!!!!

???????????????????????:blink:

[wbks]

now that knob thinks he did a public service keeping bikes to the same limitations as cars.

Why do car drivers think that? My bro (obviously not a rider) said the same sort of thing about lane splitting saying if you want to be a vehicle, behave like the others. Well sh1*, microlite's don't fly down on the airport runways just to land because they're aircraft as well:Oi:

[FJRider]

So these demons you see,want to talk about it?:wacko::msn-wink:

So you assume he see's demons....??? interesting... your assumptions are based on...??? :blink:

[98tls]

So you assume he see's demons....??? interesting... your assumptions are based on...??? :blink: Made the mistake of staying in Alexandra once.:nono:

[Mom]

P.S. And you assumed I thought all the traffic was heading to Aucks. I could have thought all traffic was heading out of Aucks and just didn't write what I meant to say. Assumptions are a wonderful thing. Let's go with the general gist of my post shall we.....lol


You assume I live in Auckland...:sunny:

As a dweller of the norf, I can assure you that all traffic leaves Auckland at this time of the year, I wont assume most head norf, because I know some do in fact head South :yes:

What was the general gist of your psot again, I assumed you were dissing Maha for overtaking where he should not have :bleh:

[Mom]

Hands up everybody who's still alive!

I am alive :wari:

You ticklish Hitcher? Wish I had known that when I met you :innocent:

[DEATH_INC.]

Why do car drivers think that? My bro (obviously not a rider) said the same sort of thing about lane splitting saying if you want to be a vehicle, behave like the others.
Lanesplitting can be done in a car too, there's even the correct technique in the road code. Overtaking is still legal too, despite what a lot think....

Now a short story to add to this thread...
I was heading south yesterday in my uav past wellsford/warkworth when I saw a chopper thingee (one of those new zookies I think) behind, moved over for him but he sat behind so I carried on watching him.....anyhoo he starts following a bit closer like he's gettin ready to pass, so I move over on all the straights so he can cruise through ( cause of all the stopped traffic northbound), but he still hangs back, then as I get to the end of a straight approaching a blind right hander and move back out the f****n retard passes me on the other side of the road....and theres no farkin way he could see round the corner and he didn't complete the manouver till at least halfway round the bend!:angry:
Not all bikers have a brain it seems.....cue katman :p

[98tls]

You assume I live in Auckland...:sunny:

As a dweller of the norf, I can assure you that all traffic leaves Auckland at this time of the year, I wont assume most head norf, because I know some do in fact head South :yes:

What was the general gist of your psot again, I assumed you were dissing Maha for overtaking where he should not have :bleh: Whats this Auckland thing you speak of?

[Mom]

and theres no farkin way he could see round the corner and he didn't complete the manouver till at least halfway round the bend!:angry:
Not all bikers have a brain it seems.....cue katman :p

Welcome to our summer, that is why we leave :yes:

Nearly got run over on the pedestrian crossing in town today by a SOAP looking left at the shops barreling down the main street. Far canal! He had the hide to laugh at me when I told him to slow down. Actually wish he had hit a car or something so I could have...
1. Laughed like hell at him
2. Come forward as a witness able to state I saw him looking over his left shoulder at the time, and confidently state he was not using due care and attention.

Dont invoke Katman eh? Stupid, dumb fuck behaviour is not only the domain of us dirty, rotten bikers.

Happy Christmas too!

[FJRider]

Whats this Auckland thing you speak of?

Its that big car park just north of Pokeno... can't miss it...

[FJRider]

Made the mistake of staying in Alexandra once.:nono:

Stayed/worked out of Oamaru for a while... I was paid to be there...:rockon:

[scumdog]

Its that big car park just north of Pokeno... can't miss it...

Some mistake it for a highway...

[FJRider]

The best view of Auckland you could ever hope to get is in your rear vision mirror...

[Mom]

???????????????????????:blink:

I cant say what I assume the meaning of this post to be, I fear I may be infracted for the assumption...:blip:

[blossomsowner]

Its that big car park just north of Pokeno... can't miss it...

if you've got any brains you will make sure you miss it..........one big traffic jam with crap beaches and too many people

[NighthawkNZ]

You assume I live in Auckland...:sunny:

Actually I assume you live in Warkworth but thats only because of your profile :dodge:

[Pixie]

Thank you for your opinion........
The van did not have to alter his course, I had moved to my left before it reached me. It was then that he felt it necessary to move towards me and make an issue out of it...perhaps he thought I was in the wrong, or maybe his missus had just told him moments prior that he is a slack root, dont know...I am not bothered by it at all...but the thread title says it all really.
Assumption! you read about a situation, get a mental picture in your and comment on it, whether your comment is right or wrong, you beleive it and nothing will change that.

I had a blocker do the same to me as I passed him today.
Often they are in big 4x4s,as this one was,which is an indication that they feel immasculated by life.
I see what their intentions are way before they begin their move .You see it as they spot you in their wing mirror.
The courteous drivers who moved left for me and were following the ball less one ,no doubt were thinking what a wanker he was.
Best of all, I just gently choose my path to avoid him and do not even acknowledge his existence.

That really burns them up.

[madbikeboy]

I had a similar sort of incident where car drivers were getting shitty at me for passing in bumper to bumper holiday traffic. Double yellows but I was wholy within my lane with most drivers pulling left to let me past. I still got at least 1 beep to every 30-40 cars passed though

Well, your SV has such a nice ass...

[Pixie]

Why do car drivers think that? My bro (obviously not a rider) said the same sort of thing about lane splitting saying if you want to be a vehicle, behave like the others. Well sh1*, microlite's don't fly down on the airport runways just to land because they're aircraft as well:Oi:

It's an English thing. In all countries where there is a population of predominantly English origin,you must never jump the queue,you have to wait you're turn.

[Swoop]

It's an English thing. In all countries where there is a population of predominantly English origin,you must never jump the queue,you have to wait you're turn.
Apart from New Zealand...
Kiwis should be sent to pre-Glasnost Russia for a crash course in "how to queue - 101".:2thumbsup

[FJRider]

I cant say what I assume the meaning of this post to be, I fear I may be infracted for the assumption...:blip:

Be brave... have a guess. I can assume what he means... but I presume I would be wrong... and remain silent...

[Pixie]

Apart from New Zealand...
Kiwis should be sent to pre-Glasnost Russia for a crash course in "how to queue - 101".:2thumbsup

NZ is as bad as anywhere else.

Why else do these wankers get bent out shape just because a motorcyclist has the opportunity to pass them?

[PirateJafa]

I still fail to see how, after admitting to riding on the wrong side of the road (no matter how far), and riding on the white lines, then, having the cheek to lambast the van driver for "blasting his horn at you" (thats what warning devices are for). Then, you try to tell us you were riding safely...

You've really hit the nail on the head here. :niceone:


Thank you for your opinion........
The van did not have to alter his course, I had moved to my left before it reached me. It was then that he felt it necessary to move towards me and make an issue out of it...perhaps he thought I was in the wrong, or maybe his missus had just told him moments prior that he is a slack root, dont know...I am not bothered by it at all...but the thread title says it all really.
Assumption! you read about a situation, get a mental picture in your and comment on it, whether your comment is right or wrong, you beleive it and nothing will change that.

How do you know the van didn't "have" to alter his course? There could have been a myriad of reasons why he wished to move to the inside edge of HIS lane. There could have been a pothole on the outside edge, a kid running after a ball towards the road, gravel, anything which you might not have been looking for as they wouldn't've affected your little overtaking maneuver in the centre of the road. Of course though, you jump straight to assuming that the van driver was out for blood, rather than thinking "Oh wait a second, if I had just waited a few seconds more and then overtaken the other vehicle further down the road, I wouldn't've looked like a impatient squid to the car drivers, would've had a greater chance of surviving to '09, and everyone including Mr. MurderVanDriver would have been lacking a reason to log onto the internet and start silly bitching.


Had this van driver hit you and witnesses stated to police the van in fact swerved towards you I doubt anyone would care much which side of the white line you were on - the collision would have to be classed as manslaughter at best, attempted, or sucessful murder at worst.

Bollocks. See above - there could be all sorts of reasons.

At the end of the day it it's their lane, not yours - if everyone showed a bit more courtesy to other road users... well we'd be in Europe, not NZ.

[Maha]

NZ is as bad as anywhere else.

Why else do these wankers get bent out shape just because a motorcyclist has the opportunity to pass them?


Billy Connelly once said about NZ drivers.....'' if you get passed, dont take it personally''.

[Maha]

How do you know the van didn't "have" to alter his course? There could have been a myriad of reasons why he wished to move to the inside edge of HIS lane. There could have been a pothole on the outside edge, a kid running after a ball towards the road, gravel, anything which you might not have been looking for as they wouldn't've affected your little overtaking maneuver in the centre of the road. Of course though, you jump straight to assuming that the van driver was out for blood, rather than thinking "Oh wait a second, if I had just waited a few seconds more and then overtaken the other vehicle further down the road, I wouldn't've looked like a impatient squid to the car drivers, would've had a greater chance of surviving to '09, and everyone including Mr. MurderVanDriver would have been lacking a reason to log onto the internet and start silly bitching.



Bollocks. See above - there could be all sorts of reasons.

At the end of the day it it's their lane, not yours - if everyone showed a bit more courtesy to other road users... well we'd be in Europe, not NZ.

You also have it all wrong....can some people not read???

There could have been a myriad of reasons why he wished to move to the inside edge of HIS lane.

There was no reason for vanman to move anywhere, if he had kept his line then all is fine.
I love it when a plan comes together....the whole reason for this thread..:laugh:
People type in what the dont see...:niceone:

[Hitcher]

Billy Connelly once said about NZ drivers.....'' if you get passed, dont take it personally''.

The twat in the MX6 on the Rimutakas this afternoon would be advised to take heed of Billy's sage counsel.

[martybabe]

The twat in the MX6 on the Rimutakas this afternoon would be advised to take heed of Billy's sage counsel.

You didn't provoke a little RRR (Rimutaka Road Rage) by making swift, safe and legal progress, did you?. Naughty biker :no:

[PirateJafa]

Sigh. There are none as blind as those who wish not to see.

[FJRider]

Sigh. There are none as blind as those who wish not to see.

An assumption...

[far queue]

I was heading south yesterday in my uavYou’ve got a UAV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unmanned_aerial_vehicle)? Way cool man :cool: has it got missiles and stuff too? Huh? Huh? :drool: Hey hang on, how could you be IN the thing – the U being for UNMANNED and all? Oh well, carry on …

past wellsford/warkworth when I saw a chopper thingeeUmmm … Helicopter perhaps?
(one of those new zookies I think) behind, moved over for him but he sat behind so I carried on watching himI haven’t heard of that make of helicopter. Are they Chinese? You should have blown the bugger out of the sky with one of your missles :2guns: Oops, sorry to keep interrupting, carry on …
.....anyhoo he starts following a bit closer like he's gettin ready to pass, so I move over on all the straights so he can cruise through ( cause of all the stopped traffic northbound),Must have been busy in the skies up your way today, couldn’t it just fly over or under you?
but he still hangs back, then as I get to the end of a straight approaching a blind right handerOh I get it, it must have been really cloudy and you’re only qualified for Visual Flight Rules. Sorry, do go on
and move back out the f****n retard passes me on the other side of the roadRoad? Now you’ve lost me! :confused:
....and theres no farkin way he could see round the corner and he didn't complete the manouver till at least halfway round the bend!:angry:What was the manoeuvre? Barrel roll perhaps? Damn tricky in a helicopter that one :sweatdrop:
Not all bikers have a brain it seems.....cue katman :p There’s some pretty dodgy pilots out there it would seem too.:doh: You meant SUV didn’t you! Still I guess you assumed I’d know what you were on about, sorry didn’t have the foggiest old chap.

[PirateJafa]

An assumption...

Exactly. It's pretty hard to avoid making them on the internet - if we were unable to make assumptions to the best of our judgement, most of the threads on this site would consist solely of the opening post.

If we actually go back to his opening post where he says "I would imagine that, the other road users assumed that I was the twat in this case, when in actual fact, I was indeed being a safe road user.", we see that he believes that it was a safe thing to do - and therefore assuming that the "other road users" were wrong in their assessments of the manuevre. Even though he was there, he's still only working off his own side of the story - he's assuming that there wasn't a legimate reason that the van wanted to move away from lefthand side of their own lane.

And judging by what he's posted in the social group as well, I must assume that either my other post was correct or he's just trolling. Neither of which would overly surprise me (maybe I'm just too much of a cynic).

[jrandom]

blah blah blah

I have this mental image of you bouncing up and down in your seat in front of the computer. Like a chipmunk.

[far queue]

I have this mental image of you bouncing up and down in your seat in front of the computer. Like a chipmunk.Why would you make that assumption? There's no chipmunks here, I've run out of duct tape!

[jrandom]

Why would you make that assumption? There's no chipmunks here, I've run out of duct tape!

Oh, how we chortled.

Shut up now hey.

[FJRider]

Exactly. It's pretty hard to avoid making them on the internet - if we were unable to make assumptions to the best of our judgement, most of the threads on this site would consist solely of the opening post.

If we actually go back to his opening post where he says "I would imagine that, the other road users assumed that I was the twat in this case, when in actual fact, I was indeed being a safe road user.", we see that he believes that it was a safe thing to do - and therefore assuming that the "other road users" were wrong in their assessments of the manuevre. Even though he was there, he's still only working off his own side of the story - he's assuming that there wasn't a legimate reason that the van wanted to move away from lefthand side of their own lane.

And judging by what he's posted in the social group as well, I must assume that either my other post was correct or he's just trolling. Neither of which would overly surprise me (maybe I'm just too much of a cynic).


Why do most believe their assumption is (possibly) wrong... ???

Lack of good judgement is not ilegal....dammit... such is life...:stupid:

[far queue]

Oh, how we chortled.

Shut up now hey.LOL, that's just like your signature. I can feel the love ... and the disrespect :lol:

[PirateJafa]

I have this mental image of you bouncing up and down in your seat in front of the computer. Like a chipmunk.

I was thinking he's a little obsessed with Death_Inc, but hey, it's not my place to judge. :lol:

[Maha]

And judging by what he's posted in the social group as well, I must assume that either my other post was correct or he's just trolling. Neither of which would overly surprise me (maybe I'm just too much of a cynic).

Say bye bye to Mr PirateJafa.....:girlfight:
Its a wonder you didnt copy and paste what I said....:2thumbsup

[PirateJafa]

I suffer not tolls lightly. Unless it's me doing it, in which case fe-fi-fo-fum!

[Macontour]

Well said Mystic13. Wise words indeed.

I mean if you're going to assume you could also assume that he was in a bit of a day dream on a pretty much deserted road tootling North when "Shit... there's a bike on my side of the road... WTF, I wasn't expecting that" maybe said bike moves over but he is fixated on this bike (still being a little freaked out to see oncoming traffic in his lane) so he fixates on the bike and toots his horn to say "Dude you really freaked me out - you know I'm not really expecting someone to be riding toward me... can you please not do that!". And of course he doesn't know about object fixation as we do and doesn't realise the van is actually turning toward you because that's where he's looking.


I do know that bike riders experience things a little differently. The cage dwellers can get a little glazed over. I know i can when in the car.

In defence of car drivers
- they are largely unconsciously aware of bikes unless they ride bikes.
- they do not appreciate the speed at which we accelerate and we just seem to come from nowhere. We have blistering acceleration.
- there distance judgement and vehicle movement calculation isn't set for bikes going quickly.


Bike riders assume
- that car drivers should be aware of the above.
- often seem to assume when passing a car late before a corner that they can do it if they have sufficient time to complete the pass even if a car comes around the corner. From many riders I've spoken to not many factor in "what if it's a bike that comes around the corner". I can tell you now if it's a bike going quickly that room you thought you had will be much shorter. Just out of curiosity how many here factor in "what if it's a bike going quickly coming around the corner?"
- that we have a right to perform at the speeds and level of acceleration we do even though other road users may not be able to process that.

Have you ever had the bike that comes out of nowhere and shoots past very close to you. This is what many car drivers experience. I wonder if it would be useful to start realising the dangers we impose on other road users because of the shear performance of our machines.

Them's me thoughts.[/QUOTE]

[Swoop]

Billy Connelly once said about NZ drivers.....'' if you get passed, dont take it personally''.
I believe he also said "merge like a zip!? You lot merge like fucking VELCRO!!!"

I suffer not tolls lightly.
Yeah! Having to stop and get the wallet out, is a right pain...

[Maha]

Yeah! Having to stop and get the wallet out, is a right pain...

I assume he ment 'trolls' who knows?....maybe he will use an alternative route when the tunnels open...
:2thumbsup

[Swoop]

maybe he will use an alternative route when the tunnels open...
I cannot see where the fuss is. There is already a far better alternative route north... I might even have to travel along it today.
"Here ginga, ginga, ginga. I have some nice bait for you!"

[AD345]

I assume he ment 'trolls' who knows?....maybe he will use an alternative route when the tunnels open...
:2thumbsup

I see that the tunnels are going to be toll-free for motorcycles.

Noiiiice!

[mashman]

As said earlier, doesn't matter what you are going to try to do, carting, parachuting, pot holing, surprising your wife by doing the ironing and burning her favourite skirt... We have the assumption that it's all pretty doable because other human beings do it so easily... and that's how first impressions and stupid accidents occur...

The only way to get that experience is to actually do it (which not many will and not for much longer than 5 minutes)... Make riding a bike compulsory for 6 months before getting a car licence... They either learn how to enjoy riding a bike and/or they change their first impression of what a bike is capable of and how visible they really are on the road... just my .2

I've now been taught how to set the iron

[Mystic13]

It's good to see we're not prepared to let solid facts get in the way of a good assumption...

[far queue]

As said earlier, doesn't matter what you are going to try to do, carting, parachuting, pot holing, surprising your wife by doing the ironing and burning her favourite skirt... We have the assumption that it's all pretty doable because other human beings do it so easily... and that's how first impressions and stupid accidents occur...

The only way to get that experience is to actually do it (which not many will and not for much longer than 5 minutes)...We start with an empty bag of experience and a full bag of luck, the trick is to fill the empty bag with experience before you empty the bag of luck.

[mashman]

We start with an empty bag of experience and a full bag of luck, the trick is to fill the empty bag with experience before you empty the bag of luck.

Nice :Punk:... but you're assuming that everyone knows this!!!

obviously you're not a fatalist...

[Little Miss Trouble]

Well, your SV has such a nice ass...

Since we've never met I will assume that you are ACTUALLY talking about my bike :innocent:

but this is KB so you never know...

[madbikeboy]

Since we've never met I will assume that you are ACTUALLY talking about my bike :innocent:

but this is KB so you never know...

I think the SV's have got a lovely curvy ass end.

[Grahameeboy]

I believe he also said "merge like a zip!? You lot merge like fucking VELCRO!!!"

Yeah! Having to stop and get the wallet out, is a right pain...

Strange thing is that the teeth on a zip are close together so I think the merge like a zip is dangerous because there is no following distance rule applied...

[Maha]

Strange thing is that the teeth on a zip are close together so I think the merge like a zip is dangerous because there is no following distance rule applied...

Unless you are the pully thing at the front right? :confused:

[Grahameeboy]

Unless you are the pully thing at the front right? :confused:

Can't you use button's dude.....

[Maha]

Can't you use button's dude.....

Thats why your flys are always open?? :2thumbsup

[Little Miss Trouble]

I think the SV's have got a lovely curvy ass end.

The K2 and earlier are even curvy-er but yes I do enjoy admiring the SV from every angle:love:

[Maha]

Standing in line at the local Four Square earlier, Anne 'crutched' away towards the car while I payed for the supplies. Bloke behind me said '' your good lady on crutchers with an injury and you own a Motorbike, was it a Motorbike accident''?

I was wearing a Triumph T-Shirt....I do not know this dude but the assumtion was made anyway. Thank god I wasn't wearing my Holden T-Shirt, he might have thought Anne fell out the door.

[kwaka_crasher]

Standing in line at the local Four Square earlier, Anne 'crutched' away towards the car while I payed for the supplies. Bloke behind me said '' your good lady on crutchers with an injury and you own a Motorbike, was it a Motorbike accident''?

I was wearing a Triumph T-Shirt....I do not know this dude but the assumtion was made anyway. Thank god I wasn't wearing my Holden T-Shirt, he might have thought Anne fell out the door.

Should have just said "She had an accident using my big deck"...

[taff1954]

Standing in line at the local Four Square earlier, Anne 'crutched' away towards the car while I payed for the supplies. Bloke behind me said '' your good lady on crutchers with an injury and you own a Motorbike, was it a Motorbike accident''?.

I can really relate to that one. I have a pronounced limp due to being born with a club foot - I'm forever being asked 'how long ago did you come off the bike?'

[LBD]

Saw a tall guy who must have had enough of the tall guy/basketball player assumption...he had a tee shirt on....Yes I am tall...No I do not play basketball...

[Mikkel]

Standing in line at the local Four Square earlier, Anne 'crutched' away towards the car while I payed for the supplies. Bloke behind me said '' your good lady on crutchers with an injury and you own a Motorbike, was it a Motorbike accident''?

I was wearing a Triumph T-Shirt....I do not know this dude but the assumtion was made anyway. Thank god I wasn't wearing my Holden T-Shirt, he might have thought Anne fell out the door.

With a Holden T-shirt he would have assumed she fell down the stairs as per normal say...

[Trudes]

Yes, a lot of assuming folk about. I suppose it's better they ask though instead of going on assuming they know everything.

[crazyhorse]

Yes, a lot of assuming folk about. I suppose it's better they ask though instead of going on assuming they know everything.

Egzackery! :done:

[LBD]

However..."Assumptions lead to the mother of all stuffups" and

When you assume...you can make an ASS of U and ME

[Cr1MiNaL]

Tell me about it! Ass-umptions. Nuf said Mark.

[paddy]

It's the New Zealand way: "I can't do that so why should a motorcyclist be able too."

To which my answer would be: you can - buy a motorcycle and put up with the negatives along with the positives you get.

Anyway....

[Pixie]

I still fail to see how, after admitting to riding on the wrong side of the road (no matter how far), and riding on the white lines, then, having the cheek to lambast the van driver for "blasting his horn at you" (thats what warning devices are for). Then, you try to tell us you were riding safely...

Fuck off.We know what is being discussed here.The one driver in a hundred that thinks it is funny to do something dangerous to "scare" another driver HE thinks is doing something wrong.
A Holier than Thou cunt with a small dick complex.

PS. 90% of Vanmen lock their door and begin shitting little green apples,when you approach them about their driving.

[crazyhorse]

Fuck off.We know what is being discussed here.The one driver in a hundred that thinks it is funny to do something dangerous to "scare" another driver HE thinks is doing something wrong.
A Holier than Thou cunt with a small dick complex.

PS. 90% of Vanmen lock their door and begin shitting little green apples,when you approach them about their driving.

What a load of crock!:girlfight:

[Pixie]

I was wearing a Triumph T-Shirt....I do not know this dude but the assumtion was made anyway. Thank god I wasn't wearing my Holden T-Shirt, he might have thought Anne fell out the door.

More likely thought you'd beaten her:lol:

[scumdog]

Standing in line at the local Four Square earlier, Anne 'crutched' away towards the car while I payed for the supplies. Bloke behind me said '' your good lady on crutchers with an injury and you own a Motorbike, was it a Motorbike accident''?

I was wearing a Triumph T-Shirt....I do not know this dude but the assumtion was made anyway. Thank god I wasn't wearing my Holden T-Shirt, he might have thought Anne fell out the door.

Are you going to re-open this 'assumptions' thread every 12 months??

Or is that just an assumption on my part?:whistle:

(Assume - makes an ass out of u an me) ;)

[Cr1MiNaL]

Are you going to re-open this 'assumptions' thread every 12 months??

Or is that just an assumption on my part?:whistle:

(Assume - makes an ass out of u an me) ;)

Ur not an ass. Ur a pig. :2thumbsup

[Maha]

More likely thought you'd beaten her:lol:

Im the beaten one.....:girlfight:


Are you going to re-open this 'assumptions' thread every 12 months??

Or is that just an assumption on my part?:whistle:

(Assume - makes an ass out of u an me) ;)


Na see, if I had started a new thread, it would have got merged with this one.
But check in this time next year anyway, it may be assumtion III, assuming that someone assumes something.

[scumdog]

Ur not an ass. Ur a pig. :2thumbsup

But his assumption could MAKE me an ass::laugh:

Now if it could get only get me some ass....:whistle:

[ManDownUnder]

Now if it could get only get me some ass....:whistle:

LadyBoi Poontang K' Rd ... jiggy jiggy

[FJRider]

:girlfight:
Fuck off.We know what is being discussed here.The one driver in a hundred that thinks it is funny to do something dangerous to "scare" another driver HE thinks is doing something wrong.
A Holier than Thou cunt with a small dick complex.



You quote a year old post ... and make the wrong assumptions ... again...