Wow. Talk about rubbing salt into wounds

[mdnzz]

While it can be understandable from a business point of view, surely public relations go a long way??

Or maybe not these days.

http://tinyurl.com/9xl8ke

[vtec]

Not even for public relations would have thought that the company could man up and realise that the people who rented the car are now dead. What a bloody wanker.

Seems the car is more important, the final paragraph should read "Authorities may wait for the ice to melt before they retrieve [the car keys]".

[Storm]

Sign of the times, right there :(

[Trumpess]

OMG ... thats so wrong!
Thats such the wrong time to be so demanding!

I would tell the f**cker to get bent and Id pay the bill when it suited me given the circumstances!

Good on the copper for stepping in and giving him a reality check!

What a tosser, and heavens forbid these circumstances dont happen to him!
Youd know who would cry foul if it did.

[mdnzz]

Not even for public relations would have thought that the company could man up and realise that the people who rented the car are now dead. What a bloody wanker.".

Agree although they are touting the line that the guy with the keys was not a nominated driver, WTF who cares, he may have had the only jip up pockets and carried them coz of safety concerns.
Who knows, but yes it does suck bigtime

[disenfranchised]

They shouldn't have to pay at all...unless they countersigned the rental agreement as guarantors I doubt the business can legally charge them for anything.

The amount is ridiculous too....they didn't have to tow the car all the way to wellington. They could have found a student/backpacker, couriered them a set of keys and got them to drive it back...you see offers for that all the time (free car rental for returning it to base)

Or it should be covered by the companies insurance policy.
The company assumes a level of risk with every rental, and should be insured against that (or be willing to take the gamble any pay excess expenses themselves)...just because the car wasn't damaged in this circumstance, it shoudl still be covered.

[bull]

Seems harsh but business is business, but in saying that this surely is a case for the company insurance to cover the recovery costs.

[prettybillie]

Seems harsh but business is business, but in saying that this surely is a case for the company insurance to cover the recovery costs.

I agree that business is business and also that the company should have the insurance for these types of things. It is really bad taste though

[Ixion]

Isn't capitalism a wonderful thing?

What surprised me in that article were the comments from people slagging off the local copper for trying to sort it out. Sometimes seems the cops can't win, try to help people and y' get told to stick to dishing out tickets.

[MisterD]

Will I get flamed like this poor bloke trying to run a business, if I nominate the deceased for a Darwin award?

Why should this bloke have to suck up costs due to someone else's f-ing stupidity?

[Trumpess]

... but in saying that this surely is a case for the company insurance to cover the recovery costs.


Exactly .... that is if he is insured this this type of incident. One can only presume. Maybe his excess is too high? Who knows, but compassion goes a long way.

[Trumpess]

Will I get flamed like this poor bloke trying to run a business, if I nominate the deceased for a Darwin award?

Why should this bloke have to suck up costs due to someone else's f-ing stupidity?


I can understand both sides of the story, but his outburst has given him bad publicity

[Tank]

Will I get flamed like this poor bloke trying to run a business, if I nominate the deceased for a Darwin award?

Why should this bloke have to suck up costs due to someone else's f-ing stupidity?

You are right - he shouldn't have to suck up the funds.

However sometimes you have to look at the situation and make a call.

At this point being named on the front page of the NZ Herald, in a manner that makes them look money grabbing and uncaring isn't going to help their company long term. In fact such bad publicity could be the death knell for them.

They should have taken the hit (their fault or not) - it would have been the smarter thing to do.

Edit: The Herald makes it clear its the decision of the Directors of the company - not some front desk person who made this call.

[nodrog]

wow thats pretty cold alright

[klingon]

You are right - he shouldn't have to suck up the funds.

However sometimes you have to look at the situation and make a call.

At this point being named on the front page of the NZ Herald, in a manner that makes them look money grabbing and uncaring isn't going to help their company long term. In fact such bad publicity could be the death knell for them.

They should have taken the hit (their fault or not) - it would have been the smarter thing to do.

Edit: The Herald makes it clear its the decision of the Directors of the company - not some front desk person who made this call.

I totally agree. Whether they are legally correct in their decision makes little difference to the effect of public opinion. It would have been pretty easy to anticipate that this decision would generate negative publicity for the company which ultimately may cost them more than the cost of towing the car.

By the way, my understanding is that a third person - the cousin of the deceased - was the person who hired the car and the only approved driver. So it's unlikely insurance would cover this situation. But it does make me wonder why news reports are saying the parents are being billed.

[klingon]

By the way, if a visitor to NZ has an accident, and they are not insured, and they spend several weeks in intensive care at a public hospital at several thousand dollars a DAY, then they die, their family will be sent a bill for the full cost of their hospital care. (If they live, the accident victim will be billed personally.)

Similarly if an uninsured visitor to New Zealand is attacked in the street and beaten, leaving them with serious brain injuries that require several sessions of neurosurgery and weeks in intensive care, they (or their family) will be billed for their treatment whether the victim lives or dies.

It happens surprisingly often, and must be terribly distressing to the families of the deceased.

[Badjelly]

Why should this bloke have to suck up costs due to someone else's f-ing stupidity?

He doesn't have to, obviously, but reasons he could consider are:

Consideration for the family, who are not Darwin award candidates, as far as I know
Public relations

[EJK]

That's fucked up right there!

[Murray]

Its all Keys fault!!!!

[laserracer]

insurance company will probably try and get out of it by quoting that old ....it was an act of god..thing we are not paying

[Mully]

Similarly if an uninsured visitor to New Zealand is attacked in the street and beaten, leaving them with serious brain injuries that require several sessions of neurosurgery and weeks in intensive care, they (or their family) will be billed for their treatment whether the victim lives or dies.


I thought this would be covered by ACC, no?

And if not, why do people who need to be Search and Rescued off mountains not have to pay the costs?

[jrandom]

I see the director's surname is Chan.

This outcome is hardly surprising, given the Chinese predilection for considering human life to be of very little worth when set against cash.

[idb]

I wonder if the tow company waived their fee to the rental company?

[scracha]

If they're not from a country with reciprocal health care arrangements then as far as I'm concerned, their health insurance should be checked before they're allowed to board the plane.

That said, a medical company would have a hard time trying to recover costs from another country. If the deceased's assets were less than the amount creditors were owed then the spouse/kids wouldn't take on the inheritance and the remainder of the debt would be written off.


By the way, if a visitor to NZ has an accident, and they are not insured, and they spend several weeks in intensive care at a public hospital at several thousand dollars a DAY, then they die, their family will be sent a bill for the full cost of their hospital care. (If they live, the accident victim will be billed personally.)

It happens surprisingly often, and must be terribly distressing to the families of the deceased.

[jrandom]

By the way, if a visitor to NZ has an accident, and they are not insured, and they spend several weeks in intensive care at a public hospital at several thousand dollars a DAY, then they die, their family will be sent a bill for the full cost of their hospital care. (If they live, the accident victim will be billed personally.)

Similarly if an uninsured visitor to New Zealand is attacked in the street and beaten, leaving them with serious brain injuries that require several sessions of neurosurgery and weeks in intensive care, they (or their family) will be billed for their treatment whether the victim lives or dies.

It happens surprisingly often, and must be terribly distressing to the families of the deceased.

WTF?

That doesn't fit at all with my understanding of how ACC works.

Certainly if they fall ill and require treatment, yes, but not if they get injured or are attacked, etc. Are you quite sure of your facts there?

[Marmoot]

OMG ... thats so wrong!
Thats such the wrong time to be so demanding!

I would tell the f**cker to get bent and Id pay the bill when it suited me given the circumstances!

You are absolutely right. The public should tell the towing company and key replacement company (the car dealer? the car manufacturer?) not to charge the poor rental company.

I feel sorry for the rental company to be stuck in the middle like that.

[klingon]

WTF?

That doesn't fit at all with my understanding of how ACC works.

Certainly if they fall ill and require treatment, yes, but not if they get injured or are attacked, etc. Are you quite sure of your facts there?

Yep, quite sure.

ACC only applies to New Zealand residents, not overseas visitors. Overseas visitors have not waived their right to sue (as we have done by having ACC) so theoretically they could then sue any New Zealander who was the cause of their accident or injury. That opens a can of worms, doesn't it?!

We have reciprocal medical arrangements with Australia and the UK, so if this happens to one of their citizens in NZ they will not be charged. For everyone else its user (or family of user) pays.

EDIT:
Sorry about that - I just looked up the documentation and a motor vehicle accident is apparently covered by ACC. An assault, however, is not.

[MsKABC]

You are right - he shouldn't have to suck up the funds.

However sometimes you have to look at the situation and make a call.

At this point being named on the front page of the NZ Herald, in a manner that makes them look money grabbing and uncaring isn't going to help their company long term. In fact such bad publicity could be the death knell for them.

They should have taken the hit (their fault or not) - it would have been the smarter thing to do.

Edit: The Herald makes it clear its the decision of the Directors of the company - not some front desk person who made this call.

+ 1 ...nail...head

[Trumpess]

There is a time and place to be publically demanding and ask others to cough up the money that these boys owe. Frankly now is not the right time to do so. The bill aint going anywhere, and its not like the parents are going to skip Australia now are they. The police have all contact details if needed.

Yep sure there is a bill or bills to pay, but for gods sake, just let the parents bury their kids first?

I see now the Motelier is asking for his share seeing as the Rental Firm has done so.

On another note regarding insurance. Generally when a tourist travels to another country they tend to take out Travel Insurance. Wouldnt this cover the costs?

Its all such a terrible situation that could have been avoided, especially with the media.

[Marmoot]

I see the director's surname is Chan.

This outcome is hardly surprising, given the Chinese predilection for considering human life to be of very little worth when set against cash.

Yup. Selective human life values.

Just like Kiwis. We cried over 5 dead kiwis on a blown airplane but never at the thousands in Zimbabwe.

What do I care. The dead ones are Indians anyway. They are cheap, aren't they?

[Marmoot]

There is a time and place to be publically demanding and ask others to cough up the money

You are right. Now, the real question is whether the rental company asks money publicly through the papers, or whether someone else grieving to the papers about them, or whether the papers were looking for news (God forbid! They wouldn't, would they?)?

[Trumpess]

You are right. Now, the real question is whether the rental company asks money publicly through the papers, or whether someone else grieving to the papers about them, or whether the papers were looking for news (God forbid! They wouldn't, would they?)?



Can only speculate. Your 2nd choice tends to slap one in the face, and is likely probable. I dont think media would stoop that low would they?

[Marmoot]

Can only speculate. Your 2nd choice tends to slap one in the face, and is likely probable. I dont think media would stoop that low would they?

If I were the rental company, for that $1800 I would declare the family do not need to pay the towing/key cost. I reckon that could also go to the media, giving me nationwide exposure (and possibly Australian exposure too!) at the cost of only $1800. That is a very cheap exposure!

Would that make me lower than low though?

[Mully]

Yep, quite sure.

ACC only applies to New Zealand residents, not overseas visitors. Overseas visitors have not waived their right to sue (as we have done by having ACC) so theoretically they could then sue any New Zealander who was the cause of their accident or injury. That opens a can of worms, doesn't it?!

We have reciprocal medical arrangements with Australia and the UK, so if this happens to one of their citizens in NZ they will not be charged. For everyone else its user (or family of user) pays.

EDIT:
Sorry about that - I just looked up the documentation and a motor vehicle accident is apparently covered by ACC. An assault, however, is not.

Not quite:
http://www.acc.co.nz/claims/am-i-covered/index.htm

ACC offers 24-hour, seven-day-a-week, no-fault eligibility for comprehensive injury cover for everyone in New Zealand:

• no matter what you’re doing or where you are when you’re injured – driving, playing sport, at home, at work.
• no matter how the injury happened, even if you did something yourself to contribute to it.
• no matter what age you are or whether you’re working – you might be retired, a child, on a benefit or studying.


Visitors to New Zealand are also eligible for cover, as are New Zealanders who travel overseas on short trips.

What if I am a visitor to New Zealand?
If you need information about ACC in your own language we have interpreters for over 30 different languages, and Pacific and Asian advisors who can provide cultural support and help. See the Claims index for more information, or contact ACC Claims.

If you’re injured during your visit to New Zealand, ACC may be able to help with the cost of treatment and support you need while you’re here. However, it is important to be aware that you cannot sue for personal injury – ACC replaces that right.

ACC only covers treatment and rehabilitation costs while you are in New Zealand; it is not a replacement for travel insurance and does not cover illness, disrupted travel plans or emergency travel to get you back home. We recommend you arrange travel insurance before visiting New Zealand.

[klingon]

Not quite:
http://www.acc.co.nz/claims/am-i-covered/index.htm

ACC offers 24-hour, seven-day-a-week, no-fault eligibility for comprehensive injury cover for everyone in New Zealand:... etc

Oops! Thanks for clearing that up, Mully!

I used to work for Auckland Hospital (in the days when they were CHEs) and it was one of my jobs to send bills to the families of the unfortunate victims of mishaps in NZ. (Definitely one of the worst jobs I ever had.) We used to bill families of accident victims directly, but it looks things have changed, and that is not done any more. Thank goodness!

[fatmonkey]

I thought this would be covered by ACC, no?

And if not, why do people who need to be Search and Rescued off mountains not have to pay the costs?

or or or what about stupid motorcycle riders who crash, or rugby players?? most climbers i know are part of a SAR team, and quite often rescue car drivers (over cliffs etc). most mountain rescues involve the victom making a rather large donation to the team anyway, so i guess the south westland team should have some funding in the pipe line, they are after all the ones who risked their necks for a couple of stiffs, they get bugger all funding from the govt. so if climbers pay to get rescued, we pay to get scraped off roads, fair enough eh

[DougieNZ]

This is not a case of an "accident"

This was 2 idiots walking past several warning signs and paying the price for their stupidity.

I believe that the rental company is quite entitled to look for compensation.

The claim should be made on the deceased's estate though. I don't think the family should have to pay. If the deceased estate has no money, then bad luck for the rental company.

[Mully]

I used to work for Auckland Hospital (in the days when they were CHEs) and it was one of my jobs to send bills to the families of the unfortunate victims of mishaps in NZ.

So did my sister - her quip was that Auckland Healthcare was known as "A+" and A+CHE = ACHE.

My understanding now is that treatment for illness is charged for non-applicable persons. (we had to prove Miss Mully's mother was entitled)

[Mully]

or or or what about stupid motorcycle riders who crash, or rugby players?? most climbers i know are part of a SAR team, and quite often rescue car drivers (over cliffs etc). most mountain rescues involve the victom making a rather large donation to the team anyway, so i guess the south westland team should have some funding in the pipe line, they are after all the ones who risked their necks for a couple of stiffs, they get bugger all funding from the govt. so if climbers pay to get rescued, we pay to get scraped off roads, fair enough eh

*sigh*

We pay ACC levies as part of the annual licencing fee. And on petrol. What's your point? Tourists tend to not pay ACC levies (excluding any petrol they may buy, which wouldn't get close to the cost to rescuing a couple of tourists off Mt Cook).

[klingon]

So did my sister - her quip was that Auckland Healthcare was known as "A+" and A+CHE = ACHE.


And of course the morgue was called "Stiff CHEs"

:Offtopic: :doh:

[fatmonkey]

*sigh*

We pay ACC levies as part of the annual licencing fee. And on petrol. What's your point? Tourists tend to not pay ACC levies (excluding any petrol they may buy, which wouldn't get close to the cost to rescuing a couple of tourists off Mt Cook).

do climbers not pay acc levies on their motorcycles/ cars/vans, and do they not put petrol in them. remeber the quote was for climbers, not overseas climbers climbing in nz. that is my point, but if you reckon climbers don't then i might have to ask for some money back from the govt. buy the way guided overseas climbers pay acc levies, its part of the guides fee. it fucks me off when dip shits start calling for climbers to pay for there own rescue. :2guns:

[Mully]

do climbers not pay acc levies on their motorcycles/ cars/vans, and do they not put petrol in them. remeber the quote was for climbers, not overseas climbers climbing in nz. that is my point, but if you reckon climbers don't then i might have to ask for some money back from the govt. buy the way guided overseas climbers pay acc levies, its part of the guides fee. it fucks me off when dip shits start calling for climbers to pay for there own rescue. :2guns:

Jesus H Christ.

My Point is that overseas climbers should pay if they need to be rescued. We were, at the time, discussing whether overseas visitors were covered by ACC and my point was if they are not (covered by ACC) then why do they not have to pay to be rescued from mountains (or lakes, seas, etc for that matter)?

And I would suggest that guided climbers (who you claim pay ACC levies) do not have to be rescued as often as unguided climbers.

The ones that pay ACC levies should be fine - those who don't should have to pay the costs of their rescue is my point.

If you find a post by me where I have said "NZ Citizens should have to pay to be rescued" in any form, I will buy you a beer.

Oh, and if you are going to call people dip shits, you might want to sprinkle some capitals around your posts - and question marks where you are asking a question.

[fatmonkey]

Jesus H Christ.

My Point is that overseas climbers should pay if they need to be rescued. We were, at the time, discussing whether overseas visitors were covered by ACC and my point was if they are not (covered by ACC) then why do they not have to pay to be rescued from mountains (or lakes, seas, etc for that matter)?

And I would suggest that guided climbers (who you claim pay ACC levies) do not have to be rescued as often as unguided climbers.

The ones that pay ACC levies should be fine - those who don't should have to pay the costs of their rescue is my point.

If you find a post by me where I have said "NZ Citizens should have to pay to be rescued" in any form, I will buy you a beer.

Oh, and if you are going to call people dip shits, you might want to sprinkle some capitals around your posts - and question marks where you are asking a question.

you said "And if not, why do people who need to be Search and Rescued off mountains not have to pay the costs?"
so either the only people who need to be rescued off mountains are not nz citizens or climbers are not considered nz citizens?? although i do agree with you, overseas travellers should have to pay for rescue, medical etc. maybe if you are a little more clearer in your posts. oh do you need question marks etc to understand my posts?. heres a couple to make up??????? hope thats enough to cover it, if there are a few left over, you can have them for later. SMA (capitals, cos i forgot)

[Mully]

you said "And if not, why do people who need to be Search and Rescued off mountains not have to pay the costs?"
so either the only people who need to be rescued off mountains are not nz citizens or climbers are not considered nz citizens?? although i do agree with you, overseas travellers should have to pay for rescue, medical etc. maybe if you are a little more clearer in your posts. oh do you need question marks etc to understand my posts?. heres a couple to make up??????? hope thats enough to cover it, if there are a few left over, you can have them for later. SMA (capitals, cos i forgot)

OK then. One more time to clarify.

I was replying to post number 16 in this thread, by Klingon, which said that visitors were not covered by ACC if they got beaten up. I showed this by quoting said post in post 21 in this thread. Continuing this line of thought (the clue was "And if not", the "And" implies there was something before it) I asked if they didn't get ACC, why are S&R costs not billed to them. No-one else seems to have been confused as to who the "them" that I referred to was.

Be that as it may, given one of the country's main earners is tourism, it seems unlikely that compulsory travel insurance (probably by means of a levy) will be put onto people. Which, we seem to agree, sucks.

Oh, and it's not that I need question marks or capitals to understand your posts, it's just that calling people dipshits when it appears you type with your feet comes across a bit hypocritical. Especially when it seems you were the only person to mis-understand who I was talking about.

[Dave Lobster]

What's the name of the rental company?

If I'm ever in Chch, I'll definitely be renting a car from him.

[Creeping Death]

wow thats pretty cold alright


Probably them dead guys last words...:whistle:

[mdnzz]

that the family will not have to fork out money for the key or salvage as other businesses have waived their fees.

http://tinyurl.com/7tk5qh

So regardless of who went to the media, or what the rental company has demanded the companies involved in the actual recovery are not billing either parties it would seem.

:2thumbsup:

[Headbanger]

Not only should they pay their damn bill, They should be charged for recovery of the bodies, and I hope no one else is put in harms way due to the actions of members of this family.

[rphenix]

they want funds they should get it out of the dead's estate and not the parents. I hope the parents ignore the good Samaritan offer to pay for the bill and tell the car company to f** off.

[reofix]

All you critics want the rental car company to pay $2000 of someone elses bill.... i suggest you forward your cheques for $2000 to the victims at your earliest convienience

[fatmonkey]

might also be the only climber reading this?? also having frost bitten fingers makes typing a bit hard, but i am soo sorry. brain still a bit frozen may be as well. i tend to get a bit pissed when people bring climbers into shit that has nothing to do with them, just as i get pissed off with anit motorcycle groups, sorry for jumping in and defending the crew

[Creeping Death]

might also be the only climber reading this?? also having frost bitten fingers makes typing a bit hard, but i am soo sorry. brain still a bit frozen may be as well. i tend to get a bit pissed when people bring climbers into shit that has nothing to do with them, just as i get pissed off with anit motorcycle groups, sorry for jumping in and defending the crew

:confused::wacko:

[Lias]

I'm glad those two morons are dead. They ignored the repeated warning signs and died, I'd call them Darwin Award candidates, and their death makes the gene pool that little bit better.
I also have fuckall sympathy for any tourist that doesn’t have travel insurance. Personally I hope that the government sends the family a very large bill for the services of the emergency services etc that attended. Travelling without insurance is yet more proof that these two were morons. We shouldn’t let people off the bloody plane unless they provide proof of comprehensive travel insurance, it really pisses me off that my taxpayer dollars were spent trying to recover these morons.
Everyone also needs to get off the rental companies back; they had already waived _their_ charges (late fees etc) and were simply passing on what they were charged by other companies for the towing of the car and the new keys. Why in the hell should any small business owner cop 2grand worth of bills because 2 of his customers have single digit IQ’s?

My 2 cents

[MisterD]

It's academic now, people from all over the country have been offering money to the family to pay the bills...

New Zealand - rewarding stupidity since 1840. :niceone:

[Tank]

I'm glad those two morons are dead.

I think that statement says more about you than them.

Yes - they were stupid. But to actually say you are glad they died is very sad.

[Lias]

I think that statement says more about you than them.

Yes - they were stupid. But to actually say you are glad they died is very sad.

It's not them personally, I'm glad everytime Darwin's theory of evolution is proved. Seriously, everytime someone does something terminally stupid it is undeniable improving the genepool of the human race.

[mdnzz]

I'm glad those two morons are dead. They ignored the repeated warning signs and died, I'd call them Darwin Award candidates, and their death makes the gene pool that little bit better.
I also have fuckall sympathy for any tourist that doesn’t have travel insurance. Personally I hope that the government sends the family a very large bill for the services of the emergency services etc that attended. Travelling without insurance is yet more proof that these two were morons. We shouldn’t let people off the bloody plane unless they provide proof of comprehensive travel insurance, it really pisses me off that my taxpayer dollars were spent trying to recover these morons.
Everyone also needs to get off the rental companies back; they had already waived _their_ charges (late fees etc) and were simply passing on what they were charged by other companies for the towing of the car and the new keys. Why in the hell should any small business owner cop 2grand worth of bills because 2 of his customers have single digit IQ’s?

My 2 cents


Very sad to think you are happy because some clown made a mistake and paid for it with their life. And to say you didn't mean it personally?? WTF your first line seemed directly personal towards them
Makes you wonder how many times you've made a stupid mistake but luckily nothing that bad happened to you.
Yes they should pay for the recovery of the bodies as others are put at risk doing so.
Travel insurance might not have done Fark all to help them either if they only had the basic cover as most people take out.

[Lias]

Travel insurance might not have done Fark all to help them either if they only had the basic cover as most people take out.

Like I said.. we should require all tourists to have comprehensive (not basic) travel insurance before they are allowed to leave the airport..

[Tank]

It's not them personally, I'm glad everytime Darwin's theory of evolution is proved. Seriously, everytime someone does something terminally stupid it is undeniable improving the genepool of the human race.

Just because someone does something stupid - doesn't mean that they aren't fantastic people who contribute to society and do a lot of good.

I feel your idea of 'Improving' the gene-pool is somewhat flawed.

I'm probably a lot smarter than you - would that mean its better for society as a whole that you die first?

[mdnzz]

Like I said.. we should require all tourists to have comprehensive (not basic) travel insurance before they are allowed to leave the airport..

I agree they should have comprehensive as you never know what would happen while you travel, unfortunately for most people they look at the cost and think that outweighs the risk.

[Lias]

I feel your idea of 'Improving' the gene-pool is somewhat flawed.

It's not my theory, a pommie bloke by the name of Charles Robert Darwin came up with it a few years ago.

See also:

A Darwin Award is a tongue-in-cheek "honor" named after evolutionary theorist Charles Darwin. Awards have been given for people who "do a service to Humanity by removing themselves from the Gene pool", i.e., lose the ability to reproduce either by death or sterilization in a stupid fashion. According to Wendy Northcutt, author of the Darwin Award books: "The Awards honor people who ensure the long-term survival of the human race by removing themselves from the gene pool in a sublimely idiotic fashion."

[Mully]

FWIW, has anybody considered that rubbing salt into the wounds may have melted the ice, and allowed the keys to be recovered?

Just a thought.

[mdnzz]

FWIW, has anybody considered that rubbing salt into the wounds may have melted the ice, and allowed the keys to be recovered?

Just a thought.

:niceone:
:first:

[Naki Rat]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4819740a11.html

"Akshay did not have any personal items on him." Does that mean still no keys :shutup:

[Lucy]

While it can be understandable from a business point of view, surely public relations go a long way??

Or maybe not these days.

http://tinyurl.com/9xl8ke

Victim support helped them with the costs of a replacement rental car. How come THAT rental car company charged them? Why wasn't it free? As much as the first company dropped the pr ball big time, so did the second by not giving it for free, their resulting publicity would have been worth heaps, but they also charged.

[scumdog]

I wonder if the tow company waived their fee to the rental company?

And I wonder if they got a refund from the airline company for the unused pair of seat in the plane...

and I wonder.....

[scumdog]

I agree they should have comprehensive as you never know what would happen while you travel, unfortunately for most people they look at the cost and think that outweighs the risk.

Like drink-drivers decide to drive??

"Nah, it'll never happen to me..."

[mdnzz]

Like drink-drivers decide to drive??

"Nah, it'll never happen to me..."

Yep that used to be called typicult kiwi attitude though, now it seems worldwide too.

[Grahameeboy]

And I wonder if they got a refund from the airline company for the unused pair of seat in the plane...

and I wonder.....

Unlikely...if domestic then they have have taken the one click insurance.

Bottom line is these guys..like a drunk driver....walked past the line of safety so I have some sympathy with the hire guys although they should have backed off once they got on the front page...having said that we all have short memory's.

and stop wondering SD...

[Badjelly]

I feel your idea of 'Improving' the gene-pool is somewhat flawed.


It's not my theory, a pommie bloke by the name of Charles Robert Darwin came up with it a few years ago.

Darwin's Theory of Natural Selection is a wee bit more subtle than your "Ha ha, he did something stupid, he deserved to die" rubbish.

For a start, natural selection isn't fair in any way, shape or form. It's an incredibly extravagant, wasteful process. All it means is that, in the long run, certain genotypes (sets of genes) will tend to cause an organism to survive and reproduce better than others and these genotypes will tend to predominate in a population. Note "in the long run" and "tend". The vast majority of organisms die because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Then there's the obvious irony of crowing about the Darwin Award on a biker site.

[Lias]

Darwin's Theory of Natural Selection is a wee bit more subtle than your "Ha ha, he did something stupid, he deserved to die" rubbish.

For a start, natural selection isn't fair in any way, shape or form. It's an incredibly extravagant, wasteful process. All it means is that, in the long run, certain genotypes (sets of genes) will tend to cause an organism to survive and reproduce better than others and these genotypes will tend to predominate in a population. Note "in the long run" and "tend". The vast majority of organisms die because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Then there's the obvious irony of crowing about the Darwin Award on a biker site.

You are taking KB, and the interwebs entirely too seriously I feel. You need more lulz in your life I feel.

[Badjelly]

You are taking KB, and the interwebs entirely too seriously I feel. You need more lulz in your life I feel.

lulz?:confused:

[Lias]

http://n3t.net/humor/motivation/evolution.jpg
http://n3t.net/humor/motivation/medication.jpg
http://n3t.net/humor/motivation/high_horse.jpg

[Lias]

lulz?:confused:

http://tinyurl.com/2c9np

[Tank]

You are taking KB, and the interwebs entirely too seriously I feel. You need more lulz in your life I feel.


lulz?:confused:


http://tinyurl.com/2c9np

I didnt know lulz either, and after your advise I googled it.

This is what came up in urbandictionary.com: (defination 21)

Though common misspelling of the world lolz. Lulz also mean that you like the cock and that you have a birth defect that makes you testicle sack or more commonly known as ball sack connected directly to your butt hole , there for making you a faggot. The current Definition #1 for lulz is very incorrect and has been marcoed to the top of the list. believe what ever you want.
Example is a aim conversation.
User1: Yo wat up
User1: Have you seen my binders by any chance? I think I lost them.
User2: Lulz sux 4 u
User1: You just basically called your self a fag.
User1: And your ball sack is probably connect right to ur ass.
User2: I meant lolz, i kno how homosexual lulz is.

Couldn't you just post a 'coming out thread'? It would have saved all the googling.

Peace out ...

[Fatjim]

Lulz, I mean Lias, sux 4 u.

[Lias]

I didnt know lulz either, and after your advise I googled it.

This is what came up in urbandictionary.com: (defination 21)

Though common misspelling of the world lolz. Lulz also mean that you like the cock and that you have a birth defect that makes you testicle sack or more commonly known as ball sack connected directly to your butt hole , there for making you a faggot. The current Definition #1 for lulz is very incorrect and has been marcoed to the top of the list. believe what ever you want.
Example is a aim conversation.
User1: Yo wat up
User1: Have you seen my binders by any chance? I think I lost them.
User2: Lulz sux 4 u
User1: You just basically called your self a fag.
User1: And your ball sack is probably connect right to ur ass.
User2: I meant lolz, i kno how homosexual lulz is.

Couldn't you just post a 'coming out thread'? It would have saved all the googling.

Peace out ...

Definition 21 lol, if I didnt know better i'd say you posted that for the lulz.