New bike time (almost) [Archive]

.chris

20th January 2009, 22:00

I am almost ready to move on from the 250 to something a bit more powerful.

Options I have in my sights so far

BMW G650 xChallenge
http://www.encyclomoto.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/bmw_g650x_challenge_01.jpg
KTM 690 Enduro
http://www.ktm.com.au/media/images/690_Enduro_08.jpg
Husqvarna TE610
http://www.trekquest.org.au/media/te_610_01.jpg

I want a bike I can whip around town on (in a once/twice a week commute mode) but can also take it out in the forest/trails for a decent trail ride.
And micro adventure riding (1-2 days, not taking much gear), so it needs to be able to handle a the distance at open road speeds.

The 250 is pretty close to what I need, if only it had about 2x the power it would be about spot on.

Which would you recommend and why?
Also any other bikes I should be considering?

Swampdonkey

20th January 2009, 22:04

You have done your homework well...flip a coin ,they are all excellent choices.

junkmanjoe

20th January 2009, 22:56

i looked at the bmw, my mate has one the same.
very high and seat like a brick. his has been altered for comfort, much better.
i also considered the 07 klr650, value for your dollar, and i also ask the chaps on here for advice on bikes as well.
my self, i have settled for a 07 dr650.
ive owned a few road bikes cbr600 and others, the dr650 is nice and smooth on the road, easy to throw around town, and handled the last ride we did with no trouble, 240kms gravel seal and dirt, no vibrations, like a ktm i rode.
i feel i have a lot of bike for my money and for half the price as the ones your looking at.
i moved from a 91 xr600r, and im happy with my new bike.
at the end of the day, riders choice.
its a good jump from a 250 up to 650+ dont forget to hang on.......................
take them riding, all of them.

enjoy

Dent

21st January 2009, 06:23

The problem is there is no perfect bike for what you want.
Many have tried and failed.
I suggest you consider a cheaper (used) trail bike, with no rego, and a good shingle road and tarmac adv bike. A low km DR650 or KLR or even a Triumph scrambler :)

Ive got a gasgas 300 (2 stroke) enduro bike, great on the trails, ok in shingle but vibrates a lot if you try to cruise over 80km/hr, pretty bad on road for any longer distance, as the steering angle is setup for fast turns on the trail.

Padmei

21st January 2009, 06:32

Well its obvious from your choices yo have some dollars to spend so go for any of the 3. Pampa had a prob with his gearshaft breaking due to an off so I would maybe be hesitant with one till the teething troubles are ironed out. In saying that they prob have been.

Looking at your choices, as a KLR owner I would recommend that you stay away from them, as you seem to want off road over on road & in that area the KLR may disappoint. (I haven't found it's limits yet though:Punk:)

MXNUT

21st January 2009, 07:14

Options I have in my sights so far

BMW G650 xChallenge
http://www.encyclomoto.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/bmw_g650x_challenge_01.jpg
KTM 690 Enduro
http://www.motochrome.com/img/newbike/690ED/690ed3.jpg
Husqvarna TE610
http://www.trekquest.org.au/media/te_610_01.jpg

Of the 3 bikes you have listed the Husky is the only bike really suited to a trail ride.

As has been already said here though there is no such thing as the prefect adventure bike as they are different things to different people,and having a cheaper trail bike and an adventure bike as well is probably the best option for covering all bases.

For the cost of 1 those Euro bikes you could buy two good condition used jappa`s :blank:

zeRax

21st January 2009, 07:16

drz400e man! wahooo !

spend some extra on a windscreen if your really going to use it to commute,maybe a seat, but the hard stock one will probably grow on you, i dont think ill bother changing my seat, if anything ill cut it down cause im a short fuck.
i commute on mine alot, 25kms each way and its all good for that, more distance than 120km odd and i would gear it a bit taller,

enough power to pop some wheelies and rip the ground up,
parts not a bloody problem

all depends how much street you want, those bikes are spensive in comparison!

oh, and far more crashable too i imagine !

cooneyr

21st January 2009, 07:27

The bikes you mention are all a fair bit heavier than the 250 and take quite a bit more strength/energy to throw around. I went from a DR250 to a DR650 and now onto a XTZ750 but when I had the chance to go for a spin on a TTR250 a few months back I was left thinking man I'd love to have a 250-400 as a trail/play bike as well as the XTZ.

If you have to have only one bike I'd be tempted to investigate the Husky as I understand it is closest to a big trail bike but only marginally so over the other two. If you can have two bikes I'd look at a DR/KLR for the commuter/light adventuring and a 400ish (DR400 or WR450 or 450EXC depending on your riding style and tastes) for a dirt/trail bike.

Also think about things such as fuel range and availablilty of aftermarket parts such as larger fuel tanks, other spares, servicing etc. You may find the KTM is much better in this respect. Not that keen on BMW cause of cost, cost of spares and the issues that Pampa has had with the gear slector shaft breaking.

If all of them are too big you may be better to get a WR450/450EXC/525 or 530 EXC and just learn to do your own oil changes and other maintenance.

Cheers R

Doh - just refreshed the page and see others have posted the same thing.

CRM

21st January 2009, 08:15

XR650? You could get some good low mileage ones for $6-7k. There seem to still be new ones overseas but not sure if they're available in NZ. Cheaper than the Europeans and lower maintenance. Lighter and better set up for trails than DR or KLR. Ideal for commuting or shorter adventure rides.

.chris

21st January 2009, 08:21

Thanks for the replies guys.

KLR650 had a look at these, as I have been happy with my kawa. But waaaaay too large and heavy, at about 190kg (compare that to the bmw 140kg) that is a pretty big difference.

DRZ400, I thought these only come in the motard version with 17inch wheels. But yep add that one to my option list. I am not sure I can get past the fact it looks like it's 10 years old, but will add this to the going to test ride list.

I did consider the mutliple bike option, keeping the KLX and having a more road orientated bike but I don't really have room for two bikes, and would struggle to justify the 2x rego/insurance etc.
I really can't be bothered having to do the trail bike on the trailer thing. And it would get expensive after buying a trailer + rego and whatnot and also the cost of one of these to ride on the road.
http://www.aprilia.com/assets/184/dorsoduro-750-nero-aprilia_cropped_406x375.jpg.

I have ridden the BMW at the sandpit (sand based trails north of auckland) and it felt pretty big and high, but still ridable, felt perfect out on the shingle road.

I am also considering a slightly older KTM 640 Adventure
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n100/mrburns71/640%20Adventure%20Build/4.jpg
After watching all the Dakar footage I have come to like the look of these. There are a couple of ex rentals on trademe which might be worthly of a look/ride.

There was a ktm 525 on trademe a while back with the larger tank and more comfortable seat, but after reading the ADV threads about using these for dualsport I am not sure going for a trail bike is the best option they seem to be pretty maintenence intensive and the bike is not set up to carry any luggage due to the light subframe, same thing applies to the wr450 and most other trail bike options.

I will give the 690, 610, 640 and drz400 a test ride before I decide.

clint640

21st January 2009, 08:32

For the cost of 1 those Euro bikes you could buy two good condition used jappa`s :blank:

Actually for the price of the KTM 690 you could buy a brand new DR650, and a near new trailbike... I strongly suspect they will drop in price soon though, the G-650 BMW has just dropped from $17K to $13K...

They're all big bikes for a lot of trail rides, but on paper the TE610 is the most dirt worthy of the 3. I've ridden a 690 offroad & it felt really good too though, the upcoming 690R with a bit more suspension travel might also be worth a look if any make it to NZ. The 690 has a big power advantage over the other 2 which you may like.

Cheers
Clint

clint640

21st January 2009, 08:40

I will give the 690, 610, 640 and drz400 a test ride before I decide.

Keep an eye out for the 640 Enduro too, they're more trail ridable than the 640 Adv. Another one to look for is the KTM 625 SXC, there aren't many around but they are the most dirt worthy of the previous generation KTM LC4 bikes.

Cheers
Clint

Dent

21st January 2009, 09:00

I find trailering is really the way to go if you want to ride hard off road. Usually its a group activity, so you would be going with 2 or 3 people in the car, bikes on the back.
From what you've said it sounds like you ride solo, so probably wont be pushing your luck on the dirt. In this case you may find the bigger bikes mentioned are ok for you and your intended level of riding.

Paladin

21st January 2009, 11:16

C.h.r.i.s. thx for posting this thread - had been contemplating starting one like this myself recently as I too have begun to consider what is going to be the next bike for me after this 250cc license restriction annoyance is outta the way!

I know the KLR650 is on the heavy side but apart from that it's a hell of a lot of bike for the money if you buy brand new has been my conclusion. If you are not going on lots of tight trails/single tracks it would do all you want. It's got a big fuel tank & comfy seat which will be a godsend after the KLX! Under $10k brand new!!!!! Mad!

That said I like you have been eyeing up the KTM possibilities due to it's offroad prowess, and the BMW 650 Dakar for its additional comfort on-road. If you want to go "all-rounder" but with less weight and keep price down I guess you have to have a look at the DR650 - it may not look at sexy as a Dakar but has an ongoing great reputation.

I reckon try to ride all of the ones you want to consider and that'll probably tell you what you want to know. That's my plan any how.

Damn tricky decision I know! Good luck with it!

.chris

21st January 2009, 12:40

I know the KLR650 is on the heavy side but apart from that it's a hell of a lot of bike for the money if you buy brand new has been my conclusion. If you are not going on lots of tight trails/single tracks it would do all you want. It's got a big fuel tank & comfy seat which will be a godsend after the KLX! Under $10k brand new!!!!! Mad!

That said I like you have been eyeing up the KTM possibilities due to it's offroad prowess, and the BMW 650 Dakar for its additional comfort on-road. If you want to go "all-rounder" but with less weight and keep price down I guess you have to have a look at the DR650 - it may not look at sexy as a Dakar but has an ongoing great reputation.

I reckon try to ride all of the ones you want to consider and that'll probably tell you what you want to know. That's my plan any how.

Damn tricky decision I know! Good luck with it!

If it was budget limited the KLX/DR650 would be a good option, but since I can afford the extra $, I can get something a bit lighter and more powerful.

But you are right on 2 counts, the fact its a tricky decision, and the fact there is no better way of telling than taking them for a ride.

I had a good ride on the BMW, and it seemed to suit me well enough and at 13k new (would consider a low km 2nd hand option for the right price) they are a pretty good bike.
The KTM looks better than the BMW and has a little more power, but at $4000 more its an expensive option.
The TE610 I am not sure the price of these, anyone know?
The DRZ400E, cheap as chips but ugly and old looking.

cooneyr

21st January 2009, 17:51

.....The TE610 I am not sure the price of these, anyone know?....

I asked about the TE prices in early 08 and I think I was told an 07 i.e. previous model was around $11k. I stand to be corrected on this though.

Cheers R

bart

21st January 2009, 18:40

TE610 = $11490

Not bad. That's a lot of bike for the money.

.chris

21st January 2009, 20:28

TE610 = $11490

Not bad. That's a lot of bike for the money.

Yes it sure is, and my local dealer are Husky dealers.
That puts the 610 as a very good option at that price.

Woodman

21st January 2009, 20:46

Of those three I would go for the Husky no question. It just looks so cool and purposeful. Fantastic.
How big is the tank though? a couple of models ago they were only 9 litres which is damn near useless.
I,d still take it though.

NordieBoy

21st January 2009, 20:54

Woodman

21st January 2009, 21:19

IMS do a 19L tank for it.

oooooooo Bloody global economic crisis!!!!!!:argh:

pampa

21st January 2009, 22:27

Hi c.h.r.i.s, my two $0.2 for what is worth

I have the Xch, is good bike has a couple of faults but at current price it can be good buy.

I don't agree with seat perception it was hard when newer but is it gets better with use, clearly is not a cruiser but is not intended to be.

The balance of the bike is very good and the seat is very tall though that depends on you.

Its reasonable powerfull (wheeling on first and second is as easy as twist throtle no clutch and no need of sudden release either, third is also reasonable easy and I'm a newbie) and has a very good fuel consumption, so though the fuel tank is small (9l) u can do about (200+k depends on riding).

Engine is reliable based on F650GS/GSDakar with 3more HP with long interval service 10000K. Brakes are good quality and very effective.

As a Beemer it may be expensive to repair but there are generally alternatives to parts, people provide good info in adv r1der. Servicing on dealer is definitively expensive. Aftermarket is getting better with more options for bits and pieces.

Dealer support in Wgtn and BM NZ didn't help out with the problems I had with the bike so I wouldn't really count on them and don't recommend them.

I has a some things to attend that are serious failures but can be sorted without too much money, look at http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=335086 for details.

My list:
gear lever too strong and can/may/will snap shaft
Rims are very soft
Some people find air shock difficult to get used to

Finally, I'm not very experienced on DS ( started around mid 07) and never ridden either of the options you presented surely they're good buy as well. The kTm is $ more money and if u buy a second hand one even more and then it also has some things to address.

Hope it helps,
Pampa

NordieBoy

22nd January 2009, 07:07

How about a 1994 KLX650 with upside down forks and big tank...
Reserve is $2000

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=197541247

.chris

22nd January 2009, 08:20

pampa, thanks for your opinion.
I felt pretty confident on the BMW when I gave it a ride, just felt like the right bike, the only problem I found was the bike height it felt a little bit too high (and that was with the low seat option), but with the air shock on the X, you can easily set the bike to sag a bit more to keep it manageable.
seat heights:

g650 - 930 mm (low seat: 910 mm)
TE 610 - 930 mm
690 - 910 mm

I notice this guy has his adventure setup 525exc back on trademe
clickey clickey (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dual-purpose/auction-199028749.htm), it looks like a pretty good bike, but the 610 only being $2000 more makes it seem less of a deal.

Maybe in this harsh financial climate I can get all 3 dealers to bring the bikes somewhere and give them all a ride at the same time, both off and on road. Then we can have a reverse auction to see who wants the sale the most :hug:

.chris

22nd January 2009, 08:32

How about a 1994 KLX650 with upside down forks and big tank...
Reserve is $2000

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=197541247

Hi Nordie, thanks for the option.
Nice bike, I am actually considering buying a 2nd bike to keep down at my parents place in south canterbury so I can do some riding while on holiday, and that would be about the right kind of bike.

NordieBoy

22nd January 2009, 11:28

Hi Nordie, thanks for the option.
Nice bike, I am actually considering buying a 2nd bike to keep down at my parents place in south canterbury so I can do some riding while on holiday, and that would be about the right kind of bike.

It does seem to be a very Canterbury suited type of bike.

.chris

22nd January 2009, 14:59

It does seem to be a very Canterbury suited type of bike.

Yep, turn up down there with a BMW and you are likely to be escorted off the island.

TE610 UPDATE
After talking to my local dealer (:Police: not that guy, the husky dealer) and it appears they do not have any 610's in NZ. Got the guy at the bike shop to investigate further, but its not looking likely. :oi-grr:

DRZ650/DRZ400
After having a look a couple I don't think I can , about 10kg heavier than the other 650's and power not listed anywhere. If I wanted a bike that looks old I would get this one r80 on trademe (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dual-purpose/auction-198478031.htm)

So this leaves the BMW and the KTM.
The BMW is cheaper, has longer maintenance periods and has a 3 year warranty

The KTM looks nicer, likely to be cheaper to service/fix.

Guess I need to take the KTM for a ride see if its worth that extra $4000.

Paladin

22nd January 2009, 15:19

Yep, turn up down there with a BMW and you are likely to be escorted off the island.

TE610 UPDATE
After talking to my local dealer (:Police: not that guy, the husky dealer) and it appears they do not have any 610's in NZ. Got the guy at the bike shop to investigate further, but its not looking likely. :oi-grr:

DRZ650/DRZ400
After having a look a couple I don't think I can , about 10kg heavier than the other 650's and power not listed anywhere. If I wanted a bike that looks old I would get this one r80 on trademe (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dual-purpose/auction-198478031.htm)

So this leaves the BMW and the KTM.
The BMW is cheaper, has longer maintenance periods and has a 3 year warranty

The KTM looks nicer, likely to be cheaper to service/fix.

Guess I need to take the KTM for a ride see if its worth that extra $4000.

Not sure where you're looking for weights but the BMW 650X Challenge & the Suzuki 650SE are only 3Kg difference in dry weight, its not 10kg on dry weights for sure:
http://www.bmwmotorrad.co.nz/scripts/main.asp?PageID=26977

http://www.suzuki.co.nz/Motorcycle/Dual+Sport/DR650SE/

and the KTM690Enduro in at 5.5Kg lighter than the Beemer:
http://www.ktm.co.nz/bike.php?bike=110

Hope that helps mate. The Suzuki is certainly down in the lighter range and waaay lighter than the KLR!!!

On the heavier side of things the BMW650Dakar is almost same weight, 2.2kg difference, as a KLR:
http://www.kawasaki.co.nz/kawasaki_custom.cfm?modelcode=KL650E9FA&do=specs

thommo77

22nd January 2009, 15:31

Is the new TE310 road legal, or able to be modded to comply? More power than a 250, lighter than a 450.......
If it is, that's what Id like next :Punk:

thommo77

22nd January 2009, 15:36

http://www.topspeed.com/motorcycles/motorcycle-news/husqvarna-unveils-2009-tc-450-and-te-310-models-ar57318.html

warewolf

22nd January 2009, 16:43

.chris

22nd January 2009, 16:44

Not sure where you're looking for weights but the BMW 650X Challenge & the Suzuki 650SE are only 3Kg difference in dry weight, its not 10kg on dry weights for sure:
http://www.bmwmotorrad.co.nz/scripts/main.asp?PageID=26977

http://www.suzuki.co.nz/Motorcycle/Dual+Sport/DR650SE/

and the KTM690Enduro in at 5.5Kg lighter than the Beemer:
http://www.ktm.co.nz/bike.php?bike=110

Hope that helps mate. The Suzuki is certainly down in the lighter range and waaay lighter than the KLR!!!

On the heavier side of things the BMW650Dakar is almost same weight, 2.2kg difference, as a KLR:
http://www.kawasaki.co.nz/kawasaki_custom.cfm?modelcode=KL650E9FA&do=specs

I think it was wet weights, which DR650 with full load of fuel was almost 10kg heavier than the BMW, but I might be mistaken.

The KLR is way too big, as with the 650dakar, I would be more inclined to step back to a 530exc/450exc/TE510/TE450/TE310 than up to a larger bike.

But if I am going for a trial bike to use as a dualsporter. What about one of these?
http://www.apriliausa.com/upload/modelli/offroad/p00523_0112.jpg
12l tank, 77° V twin four stroke, and as sexy as sunshine. 450/550cc options

Transalper

22nd January 2009, 17:21

...
DRZ650/DRZ400
After having a look a couple I don't think I can , about 10kg heavier than the other 650's and power not listed anywhere.....The specs for the DR650 including power/torque are listed here (http://www.suzukicycles.org/DR-series/DR650.shtml) up to 2004.
Quote...
DR 650 SE 2004
Overall Length: 2 255 mm (88.8 in)
Overall Width: 865 mm (34.1 in)
Adjustable seat height - seat height can be lowered 40 mm (1.6 in) with suspension modifications performed by a dealer.
Dry weight: 147 kg (324 lbs)
Engine type: Air and oil-cooled 644 cc SOHC 1-cylinder, 4 valves. 43 hp (32 kW)/ 6.400 rpm, 54 Nm/ 4.600 rpm.

To me the DR650 is no trail bike but it is a decent adventurer on which I enjoy long haul adventures and up to 1000km day sealed road runs (seat mod, windscreen and 19 litre tank added).
The Husqvarna looks like a nice road going trail bike. Turns my eye.
Tank range is a big thing to me when thinking about dual sporting, one thing that would need attention with most the options here.
Best of luck with your choice.

Paladin

22nd January 2009, 18:22

Righto... KTM never quote dry weights as mistakenly presumed, but rather ready-to-race with 1L in the fuel tank. So if you do the maths, it looks like this:

Bike, Fuel(L), Dry, Half-dry, Wet
BMW: 9.5, 144, 150, 156
Suze: 12, 147, 153, 161
KTM: 12, 132.5, 138.5, 146.5
(Numbers quoted, calculated or inferred, fuel 1L = 0.735kg.)

So the KTM is 11kg lighter than the BMW... something like that anyway.

Cheers for some extra clarification Colin!

So a used KTM 640 Adventure LC4 ticks damn near all the boxes for me: Lightish, 25L fuel tank, plenty of power, plenty of suspension travel, based on pedigree of Rally model etc etc, with maybe only the big negative being the price tag.

So three questions for Warewolf or other owners:
1. How bad is the infamous KTM vibration on a 640 Adventure?
2. What's the seat comfort level like for long road rides?
3. Are there any known issues with any particualar years of this model one should look out for if buying second hand?

Padmei

22nd January 2009, 18:36

1. Vibration is enough to loosen your bowels:(

thommo77

22nd January 2009, 19:54

Dave - check this one out. Damn tidy and has been well looked after by the look of it. $7K looks pretty decent too?
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dual-purpose/auction-198051634.htm

Padmei

22nd January 2009, 19:57

warewolf

22nd January 2009, 20:45

So a used KTM 640 Adventure LC4 ticks damn near all the boxes for me: Lightish, 25L fuel tank, plenty of power, plenty of suspension travel, based on pedigree of Rally model etc etc, with maybe only the big negative being the price tag.

So three questions for Warewolf or other owners:
1. How bad is the infamous KTM vibration on a 640 Adventure?
2. What's the seat comfort level like for long road rides?
3. Are there any known issues with any particualar years of this model one should look out for if buying second hand?As to price, you get what you pay for. Mine is basically standard. Heated grips is about it. Lights, tank, fairing, bash plate, hand guards, rear rack, hi-po engine, wide steel footpegs, comfort seat, alloy fat bars, decent suspension, decent brakes all standard. Plus it was designed to all work together.

1. Vibration is completely and utterly subjective. I don't mind the 640 at all. Some people can't stand it. Inline jap 4s are buzzy and horrible to me. "Smooth" bmw boxers are lumpy, rattly and horrible to me. Some examples are worse than others. I've heard reports of blurry vision and chattering teeth, sounds extreme but none I've ridden are anyhing at all like that. I did ride a 400MXC that was just like that at 110km/h in top, smoothed out again by 130 though. There are various things you can do to reduce the vibes if it bothers you just a little, being jetted correctly is one of them. Mine's not been touched, and I can't even be bothered reinstalling the rubber footpeg tops for long road rides anymore.

2. Seat is fine. I've done 3x Rusty Nuts Grand Challenges (1000km in 24 hours) of which the first I used a sheepy, the latter two nada. I've ridden between AKL & NSN several times. I get there pretty knacked because I've taken every possible gravel road that vagely gets me in my intended direction. OK, so I did take some "long cuts", my bad. :lol:

3. About the only issue of concern is that pre-2003 the output shaft bearing behind the clutch was a ball bearing. That was prone to failure, so a warranty upgrade to a roller bearing was offered, retrofittable to all years. 2003-on it was standard. Costs around $100 if you install it yourself. Also 2003-on have the high-flow head. Lots more info on the bike in the advrider.com KTM LC4 (640) Index Thread (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86958).

The bike does not like motorways, that's when you'll notice it is a thumper. You'll be bored shitless (that bowel thing again! :lol:), and the vibes will get to you because you'll be sitting still and not concentrating on much else. Stick to the back roads if at all possible. Sure it would be nice to have a really comfortable bike for the occasional motorway sections, but then you'd have to put up with it being a pig on all the gnarly fun stuff.

As is, fully optioned up, it is basically the same weight as an unimproved DR650. Less if you remove the second front disc & calliper. Plus it makes 25% more power. With all the Euro 2 emissions gear on them standard they are tamer than you might expect, but some basic tuning mods will really wake them up apparently.

Also consider an LC4 Enduro with 18L tank and comfort seat. Damn near the same bike - main difference being the fairing & lights - for less money, and many more of them around. Slightly lower seat than the tall Adventure, too.

Paladin

23rd January 2009, 08:18

1. Vibration is enough to loosen your bowels:(

You wouldn't be biased as a KLR owner would you?! :whistle:

Dave - check this one out. Damn tidy and has been well looked after by the look of it. $7K looks pretty decent too?
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dual-purpose/auction-198051634.htm

Yeah looks like an interesting option as per Colin's comment too, but as I am in no hurry will keep an eye out for an Adventure model too as it is not an imminent purchase! Thx for pointing it out mate!

As to price, you get what you pay for. Mine is basically standard. Heated grips is about it. Lights, tank, fairing, bash plate, hand guards, rear rack, hi-po engine, wide steel footpegs, comfort seat, alloy fat bars, decent suspension, decent brakes all standard. Plus it was designed to all work together.

1. Vibration is completely and utterly subjective. I don't mind the 640 at all. Some people can't stand it. Inline jap 4s are buzzy and horrible to me. "Smooth" bmw boxers are lumpy, rattly and horrible to me. Some examples are worse than others. I've heard reports of blurry vision and chattering teeth, sounds extreme but none I've ridden are anyhing at all like that. I did ride a 400MXC that was just like that at 110km/h in top, smoothed out again by 130 though. There are various things you can do to reduce the vibes if it bothers you just a little, being jetted correctly is one of them. Mine's not been touched, and I can't even be bothered reinstalling the rubber footpeg tops for long road rides anymore.

2. Seat is fine. I've done 3x Rusty Nuts Grand Challenges (1000km in 24 hours) of which the first I used a sheepy, the latter two nada. I've ridden between AKL & NSN several times. I get there pretty knacked because I've taken every possible gravel road that vagely gets me in my intended direction. OK, so I did take some "long cuts", my bad. :lol:

3. About the only issue of concern is that pre-2003 the output shaft bearing behind the clutch was a ball bearing. That was prone to failure, so a warranty upgrade to a roller bearing was offered, retrofittable to all years. 2003-on it was standard. Costs around $100 if you install it yourself. Also 2003-on have the high-flow head. Lots more info on the bike in the advrider.com KTM LC4 (640) Index Thread (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86958).

The bike does not like motorways, that's when you'll notice it is a thumper. You'll be bored shitless (that bowel thing again! :lol:), and the vibes will get to you because you'll be sitting still and not concentrating on much else. Stick to the back roads if at all possible. Sure it would be nice to have a really comfortable bike for the occasional motorway sections, but then you'd have to put up with it being a pig on all the gnarly fun stuff.

As is, fully optioned up, it is basically the same weight as an unimproved DR650. Less if you remove the second front disc & calliper. Plus it makes 25% more power. With all the Euro 2 emissions gear on them standard they are tamer than you might expect, but some basic tuning mods will really wake them up apparently.

Also consider an LC4 Enduro with 18L tank and comfort seat. Damn near the same bike - main difference being the fairing & lights - for less money, and many more of them around. Slightly lower seat than the tall Adventure, too.

Thanks Colin, really appreciate the detailed reply!

clint640

23rd January 2009, 08:52

But if I am going for a trial bike to use as a dualsporter. What about one of these?

12l tank, 77° V twin four stroke, and as sexy as sunshine. 450/550cc options

The Aprilia RXV's are sex on wheels indeed (have you heard one :drool: :2thumbsup ), but they're a race bike & come with a maintenance schedule to match. How many km/year have you been doing on the KLX? Any more than about 3000 km/yr the RXV probably ain't the tool for you.

I've put near 20 000 km on my 640 in the last 12 months, doing that on an RXV would probably involve about $4K worth of oil changes & top end rebuilds.

I think you may have misread warewolf's weight numbers, 132.5 kg 1/2 dry is the new 690 Enduro not the 640 Adv, the 640 Adv is about 160kg 1/2 dry & the 640 Enduro is 149kg.

If you want to do trail rides the 640 Enduro is a better tool than the Adventure. The Adventures are a cool rig but it's not that often you need a 500km range in NZ & you might wait a while for a good one to come up as they are pretty rare.

Cheers
Clint

pampa

23rd January 2009, 16:21

.chris

9th February 2009, 09:39

It appears the TE610 is out of the running since there are none being imported. And seemingly no-one wants to sell me one bad enough to get one bought in (but after import costs / NZ$ current low its probably going to price itself out of contention anyway).

The 690 Enduro is almost $4000 more than the XChallenge.

So looks like the XC is the top of the list, will go see my local dealer in the next few days.

:2thumbsup Thanks everyone for your advise and suggestions.

And one want to buy a KLX250s? :whistle:

clint640

9th February 2009, 10:17

.chris

9th February 2009, 11:25

Good luck mate! I'd also check out any dealers that have got 08 690's sitting around & make them a low offer, you might get one for not much more than an X-Ch. It's always worth asking the question & I reckon it's only a matter of time before KTM bring the pricing down closer to the beemer anyway.

Another thing to remember is to make a list of any accessories & go-fast bits you might want on the new bike & see what you can get a discount on, or thrown in, when you're doing the deal, you'll never get them cheaper.

Cheers
Clint

There does not appear to be too many of the 690's around, but I shall take a stab at a price reduction at my local KTM dealer as they have one
, but will be surprised if they can reduce the price that much, even on the 08 ex demo. But worth a shot.

You are right about getting the accessories at bike purchase time, have to see what I need/want.

.chris

19th February 2009, 22:14

after a couple of weeks of thinking, and a bit of research on the internet/talking to dealers, I am starting to lean more towards the 690.
It is more expensive, but I am starting to see where that money is.

And I do love the idea of the EFI, a simple way to tune the torque to whatever feels just right.

Keihin EFI with EPT(Electronic Power Throttle) and Map select switch
􀃆“Soft”–reduced homologated peak performance for better driveability (Pos. 1)
􀃆“Advanced”–homologated performance with extremely direct responsiveness (Pos. 2)
􀃆“Standard”–homologated performance with balanced responsiveness (Pos. 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or 9)
􀃆“Poor fuel quality”–homologated performance is reduced in accordance with the fuel quality (Pos. 0)

Also the slipper clutch on paper sounds like a good idea, and something I would like.

I do love the instrument panel on the 690, the mix of analog tacho and digital speedo/computer etc looks just right to me.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_5uuWQIXm6h0/R6vbSt72OEI/AAAAAAAAAcE/dO7UbnaBzsw/s320/690smc_speedo.jpg

And of course there is the 690's recent performance in the Dakar, it shows a pretty good level of reliability for the LC4 engine.

Any 690 enduro riders want to chime in? Feed me some of the orange kool-aide?

Paladin

19th February 2009, 23:02

after a couple of weeks of thinking, and a bit of research on the internet/talking to dealers, I am starting to lean more towards the 690.
It is more expensive, but I am starting to see where that money is.

And I do love the idea of the EFI, a simple way to tune the torque to whatever feels just right.

Also the slipper clutch on paper sounds like a good idea, and something I would like.

I do love the instrument panel on the 690, the mix of analog tacho and digital speedo/computer etc looks just right to me.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_5uuWQIXm6h0/R6vbSt72OEI/AAAAAAAAAcE/dO7UbnaBzsw/s320/690smc_speedo.jpg

And of course there is the 690's recent performance in the Dakar, it shows a pretty good level of reliability for the LC4 engine.

Any 690 enduro riders want to chime in? Feed me some of the orange kool-aide?

Ooh that instrument panel does look kinda sexy! If only I could afford a nice new 690 Enduro....... :crybaby:

You tease chris!!!!!!!

warewolf

19th February 2009, 23:04

And of course there is the 690's recent performance in the Dakar, it shows a pretty good level of reliability for the LC4 engine.High-level race bikes are not really a good indicator of much, as they are so often factory specials mostly unrelated to the actual stuff consumers can buy - sometimes only the name is the same. Having said that, KTM stuff is probably closer to consumer items than other marques.

The LC4 engine has a long history of reliability, it has been around for over 15 years with only one significant change in the last 10 years: the 2003 high-flow head. It is not a hi-po race engine like the RFS bikes in the SX and EXC models. To whit, 5000km oil change intervals versus 1500km. The 690 is a leap forward from the 640, almost everything is better and no signs reliability has been compromised. In fact a key update was easier serviceability; a local mechanic came back from the training course raving about it.

warewolf

19th February 2009, 23:09

Ooh that instrument panel does look kinda sexy!it's funny, my take on the instruments while riding it is two fold:

It's just data, I can read it. Sexy never came into it. Too busy enjoying the dynamics of the ride.
According to the tach, there were always more revs available, no matter how hard I revved it, and it was delivering plenty more horses than my 640!! :woohoo:

Paladin

19th February 2009, 23:15

warewolf

19th February 2009, 23:17

:zzzz: :zzzz: :zzzz: :zzzz: :zzzz: :zzzz: :zzzz: :zzzz: :zzzz: :zzzz:

Paladin

19th February 2009, 23:21

:zzzz: :zzzz: :zzzz: :zzzz: :zzzz: :zzzz: :zzzz: :zzzz: :zzzz:

:bleh:

I'm just gonna go drool over the 690E webpage!!!!!!!!!

Paladin

19th February 2009, 23:32

OK been on THAT site, am now in love with the 690 Enduro R .......... sex on 2 wheels!!!!!!!!!

God that bike looks GREAT!!!!

http://www.ktm.com/690-Enduro-R.100707.0.html

:2thumbsup

Now where's my Lotto ticket for Saturday nite?????????????

NordieBoy

20th February 2009, 06:46

And of course there is the 690's recent performance in the Dakar, it shows a pretty good level of reliability for the LC4 engine.

Also on the Dakar guys like Jonah Street were racing the "standard" 650cc KTM690's and Coma/Depres/etc were racing the 690cc factory ones...

Only KTM could get away with AMD style numbering. Calling a 625cc bike a 640, a 650cc a 690 and a 690cc bike a 690.
At least the 660 was actually 654cc.

Hmmm... The 690 is less cc's than the old 660?

.chris

20th February 2009, 08:00

it's funny, my take on the instruments while riding it is two fold:

It's just data, I can read it. Sexy never came into it. Too busy enjoying the dynamics of the ride.
According to the tach, there were always more revs available, no matter how hard I revved it, and it was delivering plenty more horses than my 640!! :woohoo:

The like of the panel is purely aesthetic, as I said I just like the look of it. Functionality/extra information provided while riding are like you say,probably going to be ignored while riding.

Another thing I consider important is the rear shock with its adjustable rebound and high/low speed compression, I have the same settings on my mountain bike shocks and I know the level of adjustment these can provide.

I guess the reason I am deliberating so much about this particular bike purchase, is that I imagine this bike will be a purchase I keep for a really long time, it is a pretty big commitment to spend this sort of money on a toy, so I really want to make sure I get the one that is best. So please excuse my constant blabbering and flip/flopping.

warewolf

20th February 2009, 10:27

Another thing I consider important is the rear shock with its adjustable rebound and high/low speed compression, I have the same settings on my mountain bike shocks and I know the level of adjustment these can provide.Dunno bout these ones, but the suspension guru in AKL that I used considered high & low speed compression adjustment a 'tick box feature'; something people look for but is actually ineffective or unnecessary. He reckoned virtually all OEM ones were rubbish, just a sales gimmick. That was a couple of years ago, things might have improved since then.

.chris

20th February 2009, 22:44

Dunno bout these ones, but the suspension guru in AKL that I used considered high & low speed compression adjustment a 'tick box feature'; something people look for but is actually ineffective or unnecessary. He reckoned virtually all OEM ones were rubbish, just a sales gimmick. That was a couple of years ago, things might have improved since then.

From my experience with the mountain bike shocks, it can make a huge difference. Example would be having the front shock set so you can easily ride up a curb without feeling to much, but yet keep the front from diving too much under braking, without the high/low speed compression you would be forced to be set at your air pressure/coil spring weight settings no with not much room to move. So either good for hitting that curb, or set firmer to reduce brake dive.

It may not have such a large affect on the motorbike, but I will certainly give it a try as I do enjoy tinkering with stuff that has nice convenient switches/dials (mostly cause I can't usually break things using these)

.chris

9th March 2009, 16:40

I test rode the 690 enduro, that is one very quick machine. The power was pretty hard core, as soon as you hit 5000rpm it felt like I had to make an effort to keep the front wheel down. But maybe that is just cause I am coming off a 250cc.
I tired it with the soft setting for the torque and that seemed better, but still pretty brutal, brutally fun if I bought it and got used to it.

Couple of things I did not like.

Handle bar vibration was a bit annoying, had sore hands after about 1hr. Maybe I was just hanging on too tight. Possibly just a consequence of a 650cc thumper and unavoidable
The turning circle on the 690 was pretty bad, almost dropped it trying to turn around on a single lane shingle road, but I was just not ready for it to hit the bumpers so soon. Guess its just the way it is with that sort of bike ,but could be tough in the tight stuff.

I am going to give the BMW a ride on the road sometime this week, then its time for the crunch. Decision time

I want to see some predictions of what you think I am going to buy, if you guess right, you get to touch it. :sherlock:

Some action shots to wet ones lips.

NordieBoy

9th March 2009, 17:13

I am going to give the BMW a ride on the road sometime this week, then its time for the crunch. Decision time

I want to see some predictions of what you think I am going to buy, if you guess right, you get to touch it. :sherlock:

Some action shots to wet ones lips.

I like the BMW shot.
The KTM one is far too staged.
Openface, no googles, no gloves, clean boots, no mud on underside of numberplate.

Woodman

9th March 2009, 20:31

Couple of things I did not like.

The turning circle on the 690 was pretty bad, almost dropped it trying to turn around on a single lane shingle road, but I was just not ready for it to hit the bumpers so soon. Guess its just the way it is with that sort of bike ,but could be tough in the tight stuff.

Practice half donuts

.chris

9th March 2009, 20:35

Practice half donuts

Yeah that is pretty much the solution, it was just the surpise factor that caught me out. Really was not ready for it.

Paladin

9th March 2009, 20:56

So chris are you just considering the 690 Enduro or are you contemplating trying to get a new 690 Enduro R brought in for you?

pampa

9th March 2009, 21:04

There is a Kt 690 on Tme ex-demo that's cheaper than new ($15500) but almost new ... (still new BM would be cheaper and they're good bike with few things to address but still good)

cheers,
Pampa

.chris

9th March 2009, 21:09

So chris are you just considering the 690 Enduro or are you contemplating trying to get a new 690 Enduro R brought in for you?

Just looking at a 690 enduro, the R would be nice I guess but I am not that interested in paying RRP and ordering one in, let along having to wait.

There is a Kt 690 on Tme ex-demo that's cheaper than new ($15500) but almost new ... (still new BM would be cheaper and they're good bike with few things to address but still good)
I think that is the one I rode over the weekend.

What things would you put on the definite sort out list for the XChallenge?
On my list would be, the folding gear lever (to avoid your problem), some barkbusters/hand guards and the rear rack (just the small BMW one).

pampa

9th March 2009, 21:44

The main issue for me is clearly the gear lever,
My bike had when I bought it
1. Leo vince pipe (nice to have but expensive)
2. foam air filter (desired better power especially with the pipe),
3. barkbusters acerbis (nice to have)
4. rear bmw rack (nice to have)

I added
1. TT bar risers (a must for me cause I like standing) besides is relatively cheap US$20
2. TT large bashplate ... still doesn't cover clutch cover ... tried to buy the hepco but they didn't have in stock and long wait as well
3. TT rear disc fin (also cheap and has quite a few hits already so I guess was worth it :rolleyes:),
4. Michelin Baja knobbly tyres (I like knobblies feel more confortable off road and can do very scary things on tar :baby:)

I don't like to add anything that would make the bike heavier. Still can load it 25kg on the little rack using a dry bag and that was enough for me to camp an carry tools and spares (which I mainly didnt use )

Now my whish list is extensive of parts biikes that are not really required, and certainly not required for my skill level but I like 'em anyway :D, In no particular order
* http://www.emigracing.com/BMWX.htm
* excel rims
* TT faring

The air shock works well for me, of course I'm a n00b rider, same as front. The seat is fine have done over 700K on a day and the seat wasn't an issue the wind may be but any enduro like bike suffers from that.

Fuel efficiency is good around 220K with 9L, I added an extra can of fuel when I went to south Island to get over 300K (3.5L extra connected to main tank).

Cheers,
Pampa

Just looking at a 690 enduro, the R would be nice I guess but I am not that interested in paying RRP and ordering one in, let along having to wait.

I think that is the one I rode over the weekend.

What things would you put on the definite sort out list for the XChallenge?
On my list would be, the folding gear lever (to avoid your problem), some barkbusters/hand guards and the rear rack (just the small BMW one).

.chris

10th March 2009, 12:40

Paladin

10th March 2009, 16:26

c.h.r.i.s I'm joining you in the 650 ranks!

My '09 KLX250S now for sale on TradeMe:

clicky HERE (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dual-purpose/auction-207208182.htm)

Eddieb

10th March 2009, 16:30

c.h.r.i.s I'm joining you in the 650 ranks!

My '09 KLX250S now for sale on TradeMe:

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dual-purpose/auction-207208182.htm

So where are the pics of the new one?

Paladin

10th March 2009, 16:32

So where are the pics of the new one?

Might be this one:

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dual-purpose/auction-206720712.htm

Going to see it tomorrow, roadtrip to Hastings! :yes:

Eddieb

10th March 2009, 16:44

Might be this one:

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dual-purpose/auction-206720712.htm

Going to see it tomorrow, roadtrip to Hastings! :yes:
Nice

This one would be good but a significant price difference. 2 years old and only $100 below the new price. http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dual-purpose/auction-206437159.htm

Paladin

10th March 2009, 16:57

Nice

This one would be good but a significant price difference. 2 years old and only $100 below the new price. http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dual-purpose/auction-206437159.htm

Yeah he's done pretty much most of the things you'd want but it's out of my price range at the moment!

pampa

10th March 2009, 16:58

Good one then

Might be this one:

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dual-purpose/auction-206720712.htm

Going to see it tomorrow, roadtrip to Hastings! :yes:

Paladin

10th March 2009, 17:05

Good one then

It looks the ticket, find out when I ride it tomorrow!

pampa

10th March 2009, 18:39

Good luck and let me know when we can trash it on Odlins road or maybe karapoti.

Sorry for hijack C.h.r.i.s

It looks the ticket, find out when I ride it tomorrow!

Paladin

10th March 2009, 19:14

Will do haha! I might need to get used to my DR650 BEFORE I head to Odlins or Karapoti!
Don't think c.h.r.i.s will mind the mini-hijack as his KLX is SOLD(lucky bugger!) Anyway i started a new thread on sale of my KLX out of courtesy to c.h.r.i.s.
(so stop posting on here, heehee. :devil2: !)

Good luck and let me know when we can trash it on Odlins road or maybe karapoti.

Sorry for hijack C.h.r.i.s

.chris

10th March 2009, 19:41

No worries, a KLX for sale and guy buying a DR650 are pretty much on-topic anyway, both could be considered good options :bleh:

Paladin

10th March 2009, 19:45

No worries, a KLX for sale and guy buying a DR650 are pretty much on-topic anyway, both could be considered good options :bleh:

Cheers chris - any news on your bike hunt then?

.chris

10th March 2009, 20:40

Cheers chris - any news on your bike hunt then?

Just waiting to hear back from the BMW guys about taking a demo bike out.
Then it's decision time.

Paladin

10th March 2009, 20:53

Just waiting to hear back from the BMW guys about taking a demo bike out.
Then it's decision time.

Ooh it's inching closer mate! Knowing how you liked the KLX you might well like that X Challenge! Won't vibrate as much as the KTM did I would guess!

.chris

10th March 2009, 21:02

Ooh it's inching closer mate! Knowing how you liked the KLX you might well like that X Challenge! Won't vibrate as much as the KTM did I would guess!

Yeah very close, I do not want another weekend with no bike, it sucked that I missed the westpac ride, would have loved that one.

Paladin

10th March 2009, 21:15

Yeah very close, I do not want another weekend with no bike, it sucked that I missed the westpac ride, would have loved that one.

Know what you mean, am dreading the KLX getting sold and not having the next bike pronto! We are SO addicted LOL!
At least at the mo I'm not doin anything too challenging while the injured hand heals!

dino3310

13th March 2009, 12:53

Just waiting to hear back from the BMW guys about taking a demo bike out.
Then it's decision time.

so whats the verdict

.chris

13th March 2009, 14:03

so whats the verdict

Funny you should ask that, I have just (when I say just, I mean I got back about 10mins ago from the shop) purchased a 2008 KTM690 enduro.
Parked outside right now.

3L4NS1R

13th March 2009, 14:13

:eek: so wherebouts are ya? I ... umm.... have an errand to run to that part of aucks.

.chris

13th March 2009, 14:20

:eek: so wherebouts are ya? I ... umm.... have an errand to run to that part of aucks.

Devonport, was thinking of cranking out for a quickie ride somewhere, keen to meet up? Maybe takapuna/albany do that loop around riverhead forest?

Cheers
c

3L4NS1R

13th March 2009, 14:38

Haha, would love to, alas I'm flying to Welly in about 3 hours time! What you doing Monday night?

Paladin

13th March 2009, 15:44

Funny you should ask that, I have just (when I say just, I mean I got back about 10mins ago from the shop) purchased a 2008 KTM690 enduro.
Parked outside right now.

CONGRATS! Bet it will be tons of fun for ya! :niceone:

Will look forward to seeing you on it one day - are you doing the King Country Ride?

PHOTOS PLEASE!!!!!!!

.chris

13th March 2009, 15:52

CONGRATS! Bet it will be tons of fun for ya! :niceone:

Will look forward to seeing you on it one day - are you doing the King Country Ride?

PHOTOS PLEASE!!!!!!!

Yep doing the King Country ride. Very much looking forward to that one.
Will get some photos next time I am out riding.

Paladin

13th March 2009, 15:59

Yep doing the King Country ride. Very much looking forward to that one.
Will get some photos next time I am out riding.

Cool I'll get to see it in the flesh then! And meet you finally too!

Am hoping I will NOT be on the KLX for that ride - it's gonna be a long weekend! :msn-wink:

.chris

13th March 2009, 16:09

Cool I'll get to see it in the flesh then! And meet you finally too!

Am hoping I will NOT be on the KLX for that ride - it's gonna be a long weekend! :msn-wink:

Yeah, I could not handle a trip like that on the KLX (mostly because of the seat), but we must be soft cause 3L4NS1R set the benchmark for the KLX around these parts I reckon.

3L4NS1R, yeah could be keen for a monday evening ride, shout out on monday.

Paladin

13th March 2009, 16:18

,........but we must be soft cause 3L4NS1R set the benchmark for the KLX around these parts I reckon.

What, for using the KLX to pick up German backpacker wenches? :msn-wink:

.chris

13th March 2009, 16:25

What, for using the KLX to pick up German backpacker wenches? :msn-wink:

Not directly, but that being the benchmark that all other benchmarks are measured against, yes.

Paladin

13th March 2009, 16:31

Not directly, but that being the benchmark that all other benchmarks are measured against, yes.

And when he wasn't busy with the backpacker wenches I guess he did do one awesome trek on the KLX!!!!! Still don't know how Sam did it on the KLX's seat (the bike riding not the backpacker wench!) - awesome stuff indeed! :clap:

.chris

14th March 2009, 13:09

Sorry no decent photos today, only went out for a quick ride and the weather sucks :cry:

But here is a couple from yesterday.

Paladin

14th March 2009, 13:25

Sorry no decent photos today, only went out for a quick ride and the weather sucks :cry:

But here is a couple from yesterday.

Oh you're such a tease!!!:msn-wink:

.chris

14th March 2009, 13:49

I am a little concerned with the tires on this thing, just wondeirng how they are going to handle it offroad (and the sand)

I plan to hit up the sand-pit next weekend to see how she goes in the sand but to not hold high hopes for the tires.
http://www.ascycles.com/images/products/tires/0316-0006_metzeler_enduro3tires.jpg

Thinking maybe going for some Michelin Baja rear and something a bit tigher (maybe the T63 front)

http://cycletreads.retail.sprint3.com/package/webservice/kernel_images_ActualRender.asp?strImageCode=21.997

Michelin T63
http://www.linexyamaha.co.za/products/Image1912.jpg

There are also some Continental TKC 80 on trademe for a reasonable price.

CrazyFrog

14th March 2009, 14:11

.chris

14th March 2009, 14:26

Oh you're such a tease!!!:msn-wink:

Here you go then, please excuse the quality, I arrived and realised I had left the memory card for the camera in the computer so I had to take the pic's on the cellphone.
But please enjoy the lovely view of auckland city and Rangitoto Island

.chris

14th March 2009, 14:38

Those Metzeler enduro stock tyres are great on seal, okay on gravel, forget about them in the soft sand or mud, go for the Michelin's or TKC80's. Keep the stockers for commuting or road trips outta town.
Mmmmmm, 690 Enduro ya lucky bugger, I've got my sights set on one as my next bike, maybe 2010, if the 690 Adventure isn't released. Look forward to hearing your opinions of the new toy.....:2thumbsup

Thanks for the opinion, I found out they are not very good on wet grass while taking those photos, what fun that was. I hate to imagine what they are going to be like in the sand, could be fun all the power and nowhere to put it.

From what I understand the 690 Adventure will be pretty high on KTM's list. They seem a popular option (eg people turning the enduro into an adventure).

The 08 is a great bike so far, but I already have an error light on the dash, something wrong with the fuel injection waiting on a reply from KTM on that one, bike is rideable but its not running as smooth as you would expect. The usual teething problems on the new tech. Guess they will have that well sorted by the 2010 models, of course assuming they do not change them completely.

Paladin

14th March 2009, 18:25

Here you go then, please excuse the quality, I arrived and realised I had left the memory card for the camera in the computer so I had to take the pic's on the cellphone.
But please enjoy the lovely view of auckland city and Rangitoto Island

That's a VERY nice lookin bike mate! :love:

Thanks for posting the pics!

Are you sure you wanna go up the sandpit on those tyres? :no:

JATZ

14th March 2009, 19:22

Here you go then, please excuse the quality, I arrived and realised I had left the memory card for the camera in the computer so I had to take the pic's on the cellphone.
But please enjoy the lovely view of auckland city and Rangitoto Island

Looks like north head ? can ya ride through the tunnels.

My old stomping ground as a kid

.chris

14th March 2009, 19:51

Looks like north head ? can ya ride through the tunnels.

My old stomping ground as a kid

Yeah it was north head. Nah you can't ride close enough to the tunnels without some off-piste styles, but you can ride the mountain bikes through (and I have done many times).

Are you sure you wanna go up the sandpit on those tyres?

Sure why not, I enjoy a challenge. :laugh:

warewolf

14th March 2009, 22:08

purchased a 2008 KTM690 enduro.Nice one! :clap:

Paladin

14th March 2009, 22:14

Sure why not, I enjoy a challenge. :laugh:

You're as bad as me! Bought the KLX on a Tuesday, took it on an organised trail ride on the Saturday after lots of rain having never been offroad before! The poor little KLX had "character" after that! :crybaby:

3L4NS1R

15th March 2009, 10:17

What, for using the KLX to pick up German backpacker wenches? :msn-wink:

Pray tell, if a bike cannot pick up a German Female of Excellent Quality, why have a bike in the first place?

Redefines Adv Riding.

Paladin

15th March 2009, 11:22

Pray tell, if a bike cannot pick up a German Female of Excellent Quality, why have a bike in the first place?

Redefines Adv Riding.

A damn fine point Sam! You did us all proud! :2thumbsup

.chris

15th March 2009, 17:18

Paladin

15th March 2009, 18:21

Clocked up a few kms this weekend, so its all ready for its 1000km service on thursday.
Really getting the feel for the bike now and it feels good! Love the EFI EPT settings, I am running it in standard mode at the moment, soft felt just a bit too soft. And the advanced setting is pretty hard-out but I could see how it would work if you were racing. Its great having the options that is forsure.

I need to get it off road for a decent spell, thinking of hitting the sand-pit this weekend coming.

EFI EPT settings! Now you're just rubbing it in aren't you!!!! :laugh:

REALLY glad you're falling in love with the bike! :niceone:

Had a blast on the KLX out on our "gentle pootle" in the AKatarawa Forest today on the Pram Track(my first time in there!). I will actually miss the little bugger when it sells. It really does like it when I get my nana arse up off the seat and ride up on the pegs - much more control of the front end!

Lookin forward to your report on your first offroad jaunt on the new beast!

pampa

15th March 2009, 19:55

Hi congrats for the new bike. (I'm running the michelin combo u mentioned a few posts ago T63 front, Baja rear and they're pretty good for a n00b like me anyway)

cheers,
Pampa

.chris

15th March 2009, 20:27

Hi congrats for the new bike. (I'm running the michelin combo u mentioned a few posts ago T63 front, Baja rear and they're pretty good for a n00b like me anyway)

cheers,
Pampa

Cheers, I am very happy with my choice, glad I could actually come to a decision rather than flipping a coin. But either way, I think either bike I would be happy as a clam with.

Glad to hear you have that tire combo, just visually looked pretty good to me, I feel I am going to need something better than the Sahara 3's for the sand-pit/at the beach, and also for doing this Central Plateau ride next month.

pampa

15th March 2009, 20:32

I hve them for peace of mind, most cases are not really required. Clearly sand, and when wet muddy offroad is one time u may need them but in the other hand when is wet onroad the ones u have r likely better.

In the end I prefer the peace of mind offroad. For what I know and read TKC are the most road oriented knobbly and those michelin are bit more offroad ... (got reasonable duration so far) ... hopefully u'll get to try many ... that's what I'm doing ...

Cheers,
Pampa

Cheers, I am very happy with my choice, glad I could actually come to a decision rather than flipping a coin. But either way, I think either bike I would be happy as a clam with.

Glad to hear you have that tire combo, just visually looked pretty good to me, I feel I am going to need something better than the Sahara 3's for the sand-pit/at the beach, and also for doing this Central Plateau ride next month.

.chris

17th March 2009, 15:46

I hve them for peace of mind, most cases are not really required. Clearly sand, and when wet muddy offroad is one time u may need them but in the other hand when is wet onroad the ones u have r likely better.

In the end I prefer the peace of mind offroad. For what I know and read TKC are the most road oriented knobbly and those michelin are bit more offroad ... (got reasonable duration so far) ... hopefully u'll get to try many ... that's what I'm doing ...

Cheers,
Pampa

After having a ride on the beach last night I am quite impressed with the Sahara 3's, so far they pass the road/gravel/sand test which is going to be very high percentage of my rides. Just need to test the mud/clay

I am very impressed with how the bike handles the rough stuff so far, gave it a good hammering along a 4x4 track with a few whoop-de-doops, tail flailing all over the lane and it just begged to go faster, I get a feeling I am going to love this bike more and more the more I get used to it.

Paladin

17th March 2009, 15:52

......... I get a feeling I am going to love this bike more and more the more I get used to it.

That's gotta be a good feeling - exactly what you'd be hoping for!!! Well done mate!

NordieBoy

17th March 2009, 16:18

I get a feeling I am going to love this bike more and more the more I get used to it.

Oh yeah :Punk:

The first lap of the laidback trailride on the DR was an arse clencher.
The 2nd and 3rd laps were at higher and higher speed/confidance/fun levels :D

.chris

17th March 2009, 16:31

Oh yeah :Punk:

The first lap of the laidback trailride on the DR was an arse clencher.
The 2nd and 3rd laps were at higher and higher speed/confidance/fun levels :D

Yep everytime out I am feeling more and more confident.
I really do need to get some more onroad riding under my belt, I am pretty confident offroad but when it comes to this 100kph stuff I struggle a bit. But I guess most of that is just experience.

I want to get plenty of time in the saddle before this 42 traverse ride in April as I don't want to be that guy with the nice bike at the start who falls off 400 times and destroys it, ATGNI (all the gear and no idea) guy. :shit:

Paladin

17th March 2009, 16:47

Yeah you wouldn't wanna be the guy who leaves his new shiny 690E standing on soft sand with nothing solid under the kickstand! :whistle:

That WAS classic mate! :niceone:

Fair play to ya for posting the vid tho!

Garry.W

17th March 2009, 17:00

I don't want to be that guy with the nice bike at the start who falls off 400 times and destroys it, ATGNI (all the gear and no idea) guy. :shit:

We've all been there, don't sweat it. I used to guage the success (or otherwise) of a ride on how many indicators I came home with intact :eek5:

Good choice in bike, look forward to see you in action on the 42nd Traverse.

I'd be keen to have a spin on a 690 Enduro, want a ride on the HP2?

.chris

17th March 2009, 17:20

We've all been there, don't sweat it. I used to guage the success (or otherwise) of a ride on how many indicators I came home with intact :eek5:

Good choice in bike, look forward to see you in action on the 42nd Traverse.

I'd be keen to have a spin on a 690 Enduro, want a ride on the HP2?

Here I am saying about my lack of confidence and you offer to let me on your HP2, you sir are either crazy or just really want to take the enduro for a spin.

KLX 19hp
690 64hp
HP2 105hp
Seems like a natural progression to me.

Garry.W

18th March 2009, 06:41

you sir are either crazy or just really want to take the enduro for a spin

Maybe abit of both :innocent: Offer is there.

OV Lander

18th March 2009, 21:10

You might want to consider the coast and availability of parts. Small items for my BM cost a fortune and are never in stock (but perhaps that is just Motorad???) - e.g. over $70 for some folded paper (air filter - no after markets were available in the country!), $50 for a sump plug, $65 for an oil pressure sensor...etc...

Have just invested in a big luxury Cruiser to coax my wife out on the road. Discounted the BMW1200LT for the above reasons, instead went for a Goldwing GL1800 and now can't keep my wife at home!

...Mind you, slinging 600kg of two up Goldwing around on a lightly graveled corner provides a new definition for Adventure Riding!

.chris

19th March 2009, 09:58

pampa

19th March 2009, 13:34

Plus Garry's HP2 has aftermarket pipe so may it does more thatn 105 :Police:

Here I am saying about my lack of confidence and you offer to let me on your HP2, you sir are either crazy or just really want to take the enduro for a spin.

KLX 19hp
690 64hp
HP2 105hp
Seems like a natural progression to me.

Paladin

20th March 2009, 16:53

It's official - the little green machine has gone and been replaced by the Black Beast complete with Cycleworks exhaust! :ride:

:woohoo:

.chris

20th March 2009, 16:57

It's official - the little green machine has gone and been replaced by the Black Beast complete with Cycleworks exhaust! :ride:

:woohoo:

Congrats!
Don't you dare deny us the pictures

marks

20th March 2009, 17:05

must be the day for it - the 08 klr sold today - it was a bit sad seeing it ride off....:bye:

NordieBoy

20th March 2009, 17:08

It's official - the little green machine has gone and been replaced by the Black Beast complete with Cycleworks exhaust! :ride:

:woohoo:

You got it!
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=122971&d=1237233420

Paladin

20th March 2009, 17:08

Congrats!
Don't you dare deny us the pictures

Cheers Chris! It felt goooood on the motorway! :yes:

Am sure there will be pics a plenty on the ride tomorrow, probably of me dropping it, so am expecting payback joke from you mate!

Teaser pic on the DR650 thread!

Paladin

20th March 2009, 17:08

must be the day for it - the 08 klr sold today - it was a bit sad seeing it ride off....:bye:

CONGRATS Mark!!!!! Great news mate! :woohoo:

Paladin

20th March 2009, 17:09

You got it!
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=122971&d=1237233420

Damn Fran, now you've spoilt the surprise for everyone tomorrow! ;)

blackballs

20th March 2009, 17:16

Have a great ride<_<

NordieBoy

20th March 2009, 18:03

Damn Fran, now you've spoilt the surprise for everyone tomorrow! ;)

Front'll be fine but you may want to put a better rear on.

Paladin

20th March 2009, 18:13

Front'll be fine but you may want to put a better rear on.

We talkin about my Trailwings?

I've just gotta survive tomorrow on the Trailwings! :crazy:

NordieBoy

20th March 2009, 18:44

We talkin about my Trailwings?

I've just gotta survive tomorrow on the Trailwings! :crazy:

TW42's are much maligned.
If you don't go giving it handfuls they do well - even mostly bald...

http://www.photostorage.nelson.geek.nz/sports/motorsport/mybikes/Trips/20080705%20Maungatapu%20snow%20hunting/slides/20080705-105348-000010.jpg

Paladin

20th March 2009, 19:03

Geez Fran, is that as bald as it looks on the back there? In snow!!!! Well done that man! :gob:

TW42's are much maligned.
If you don't go giving it handfuls they do well - even mostly bald...

http://www.photostorage.nelson.geek.nz/sports/motorsport/mybikes/Trips/20080705%20Maungatapu%20snow%20hunting/slides/20080705-105348-000010.jpg

NordieBoy

21st March 2009, 16:58

Geez Fran, is that as bald as it looks on the back there? In snow!!!! Well done that man! :gob:

Yeah. It's pretty shot. Only another couple of thou in it at that stage :D
http://www.photostorage.nelson.geek.nz/sports/motorsport/mybikes/Trips/20080706%20Maungatapu%20Capers/slides/20080706-134714-000062.jpg

Paladin

21st March 2009, 17:11

Yeah. It's pretty shot. Only another couple of thou in it at that stage :D
http://www.photostorage.nelson.geek.nz/sports/motorsport/mybikes/Trips/20080706%20Maungatapu%20Capers/slides/20080706-134714-000062.jpg

Geez you'd be riding on paper thickness by then! :sweatdrop

NordieBoy

21st March 2009, 18:09

Geez you'd be riding on paper thickness by then! :sweatdrop

Yeah but it makes it more compliant over the rocks when it's thin :D

Paladin

21st March 2009, 18:37

Yeah but it makes it more compliant over the rocks when it's thin :D

If you get it really thin maybe you could fill it with helium instead of air and have balloon tyres and just float over those rocks! :2thumbsup

Woodman

21st March 2009, 18:54

TW42's are much maligned.
If you don't go giving it handfuls they do well - even mostly bald...

NO No No Tw42,s are not good, even with tread in my experience.

Paladin

21st March 2009, 19:01

NO No No Tw42,s are not good, even with tread in my experience.

Well I got them up the big sand/shingle climb today without getting bogged down so can't be all bad Woodman! BUT not knowing how they'd perform I was a total nana with them on the gravel roads just in case! :rolleyes:

NordieBoy

21st March 2009, 19:43

Well I got them up the big sand/shingle climb today without getting bogged down so can't be all bad Woodman! BUT not knowing how they'd perform I was a total nana with them on the gravel roads just in case! :rolleyes:

Seal - fine.
Gravel - fine.

Anything wet and slippery - Oh shit...

When they let go it's all of a sudden and not gentle.

Paladin

21st March 2009, 20:25

.....

When they let go it's all of a sudden and not gentle.

Oh shit they have to go SOON then I don't need that kinda shit!!! Did feel couple of little slippies on front end today on hard cornering on the tarmac! :(

junkmanjoe

21st March 2009, 21:24

na it was just what was in your underpants, getting used to all that new power.

hay how come i got two DRs in my shed tonight, and you live in welly.....:whistle:

Paladin

21st March 2009, 21:38

na it was just what was in your underpants, getting used to all that new power.

hay how come i got two DRs in my shed tonight, and you live in welly.....:whistle:

Cos u got an early birthday prezzie!!! ;)

(and leave my underpants out of it!)

.chris

13th April 2009, 19:59

One month on the 690, and I am loving it. A quick personal review

Powarrrr; The power seems good now that I am used to it, I feel like I can use it rather than being afraid of it. At first it was a bit daunting, I guess that is part of going from 19hp to 64hp.

Comfort; I rate it quite highly, on the KLX after about 20mins I would need to stand to relieve the pain in my ass, the 690 its about an hour before that happens, and even then I can slide back a bit on the seat and it feels comfortable again.
You have to deal with a bit of vibration through the bars, but as long as you learn not to death grip the bars its not so bad (first ride I was holding on super tight, and got quite tingley fingers after about 15mins)

Fuel; Getting about 230km per tank before the reserve comes on, which should give me another 40+km, but I am yet to push that one. That is riding with the standard EPT setting, I imagine running on the soft setting (which feels like it cuts back the power quite a bit in the lower rev range) could get even further. Not to mention just plain going easy on the throttle.

EPT; This thing is like having 3 bikes at your disposal, The standard setting feels pretty good without having to watch your speed too much, the soft setting makes it feel like in the lower rev range it is all very tame, you need to push it into the 6500+ range before you get to feel the power, but it all appears to be there, the advanced setting I imagine would be great if you were racing, but on the road it has you moving pretty quick which I find a pain when in traffic and again you really have to watch your speed cause the bike just wants to go-go-go. I am finding myself starting to lean towards running with this setting as I get more confident.
The EPT has a 12 setting switch, but only 4 of the settings are currently active, which leads me to wonder about getting some custom EPT maps loaded. I know you can get another map loaded by KTM which is designed if you install a custom exhaust system (aprovic etc)

I had some minor problems with the bike in the first couple of weeks, but AMPS where champions and gave me a 690 Duke (same engine, different bike to the enduro) to ride while they worked on mine,and since I got it back it has been running like a dream.

So far zero buyers remorse, nothing but smiles for miles.

A pic for your viewing pleasure
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/picture.php?albumid=1804&pictureid=22252

warewolf

15th April 2009, 22:54

Glad it just keeps getting better! Thanks for the update.

Paladin

16th April 2009, 00:07

Your bike still looks awesome Chris - SO glad you are lovin it and no buyers remorse! I feel totally the same about my '09 DR! YES, even after the huge accident!

Way to go mate!

:2thumbsup

junkmanjoe

16th April 2009, 19:53

hi sweet ride.
how you like the front tire, and whats on the back mate.

warewolf

16th April 2009, 21:43

I expect the rear will be the same as the front, being the OEM tyres. Can't see for sure. Metzeler Enduro 3 Saharas.

.chris

16th April 2009, 22:33

I expect the rear will be the same as the front, being the OEM tyres. Can't see for sure. Metzeler Enduro 3 Saharas.

Confirmed, tires are still stock due to cutting the mustard so far.
KCR/42 traverse could be the true test tho.

I have used them in the sand/gravel a bit and they seem pretty good. They do feel great on the tarmac, not much noise and track pretty well. I have been getting more and more confident with these tires/the bike on the road, you may be able to tell from the wear pattern getting close to the outside of the tire that I still have some way to go.

I am yet to try and let the pressure out for sand/dirt riding yet. So I can't really comment on low pressure performance.