Bronz's articles in KiwiRider [Archive]

Coyote

22nd January 2009, 12:45

Has anyone else noticed the sound like raving loonies that are dreaming? They're forever going on about the 'sheeple' and how pubic transport should be replaced by everyone being on motorbikes. I don't want everyone else being on motorbikes! We've got enough dicks making our ACC levies go up and giving bikers a bad rep. It seems to me like Bronz have turned into the whining minority that will declare at the slightest provocation "you're only saying that 'cause I'm a biker!".

They are doing a service and I don't think we shouldn't be supporting them. But I reckon they need to cool their jets and stop with the conspiracy theory ramblings.

Your thoughts?

Str8 Jacket

22nd January 2009, 12:47

Your thoughts?

I think you should be prepared for what you have just started!...... :yes:

Coyote

22nd January 2009, 12:52

I think you should be prepared for what you have just started!...... :yes:
I've given this a fair bit of thought before I decided to post on here. Plus my Dad agrees, I've been discussing with him.

Big Dave

22nd January 2009, 13:06

PeteJ

22nd January 2009, 13:23

FWIW, Dave, this column is one that I now ignore. It's boring, repetitive, and non-constructive.

Once you start giving pet derogatory names to the majority of the populace, you've lost your cause.

klingon

22nd January 2009, 13:41

Squiggles

22nd January 2009, 13:51

It might be a case of getting a realistic solution, finding the middle ground. If bronz went in there asking for what they realistically could get, they'd probably find themselves getting only part of that...

James Deuce

22nd January 2009, 13:52

I'm waiting for Coyote's head to explode when he realises who lesdotmason is. :whistle:

Nasty

22nd January 2009, 13:55

I'm waiting for Coyote's head to explode when he realises who lesdotmason is. :whistle:

Don't leave us in suspence ... tell me!!!! :bleh:

Big Dave

22nd January 2009, 14:05

klingon

22nd January 2009, 14:39

We missed you last night.

OH NO!! Why am I always the last to know? :doh:

Will put it in my diary for next month.

MSTRS

22nd January 2009, 14:45

I'm waiting for Coyote's head to explode when he realises who lesdotmason is. :whistle:

http://www.anatomorphex.com/picts/shatter/FX013_EXPLODING_HEAD.jpg

Coyote

22nd January 2009, 15:09

I'm sure the writer of the article (and all members of BRONZ) would welcome your constructive suggestions! As far as I know BRONZ has not yet had its first meeting of 2009 - I would expect that to be in February. Perhaps you might like to send an email laying out your concerns?

You could try the Auckland president: les.mason@gmail.com
Or the secretary/treasurer: bronzauckland@hotmail.com
I might just do that.

I'm waiting for Coyote's head to explode when he realises who lesdotmason is. :whistle:
I don't think I have much of a brain to do my skull any damage. :laugh:

I assumed prominent Bronz members would be active members of KB, I just wasn't aware who they were.

SPman

22nd January 2009, 15:13

I'm waiting for Coyote's head to explode when he realises who lesdotmason is. :whistle:
:shifty:.......:laugh:......:soon:

MSTRS

22nd January 2009, 15:33

:shifty:.......:laugh:......:soon:

http://www.funnyjunksite.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/funny_cat_pictures_092.jpg

rainman

22nd January 2009, 15:50

OH NO!! Why am I always the last to know? :doh:

So you didn't get Peggy's email then? :)

I didn't get there either - had a work requirement at the last minute... Sorry all.

Big Dave

22nd January 2009, 15:56

So you didn't get Peggy's email then? :)

I didn't get there either - had a work requirement at the last minute... Sorry all.

It was the best attended I've been to. My bleating must be paying off :-)

Katman

22nd January 2009, 16:02

Politics is based on discussion and well intentioned criticism/help is welcome.

So I assume my "tits on a nun" comment wasn't constructive then?

:whistle:

Tank

22nd January 2009, 16:40

So I assume my "tits on a nun" comment wasn't constructive then?

:whistle:

Nun tits aint all bad (not all good either btw)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3121/2757676141_a137eef7c9_o.jpg

MSTRS

22nd January 2009, 16:52

Nun tits aint all bad (not all good either btw)

Or nuns looking at....

scracha

22nd January 2009, 18:12

Has anyone else noticed the sound like raving loonies that are dreaming?

Your thoughts?

Agreed. Dunno who they think they represent
A few choice policies from their webbysite.
>Vehicle Inspection Authorities, rather than vehicle repairers, would give a better and more uniform service
Eh? WTF? Better service? I should coco.

>There is no proven benefit from compulsory driver/rider training, and the instigation of such policies, pending evidence to the contrary, needs to be revisited;
WTF? Are they fuckin serious? There's shitloads of evidence that compulsory driver training is beneficial.

>A provisional type license to allow motorcyclists to attend training schools is seen as a necessity;
Really? Requiring training schools to provide motorcycles for students to train on would be more sensible.

>There needs to be an equity in the testing procedure with no unreasonable inhibiting factors placed in the way of motorcyclists;
Nope. They're harder to control and far more likely to spit off and injure/kill rider.

Big Dave

22nd January 2009, 18:48

Thank you for bringing a possible correction that may be required to our attention.
Your kind words are an inspiration to all the volunteers.

Swoop

22nd January 2009, 18:53

I assumed prominent Bronz members would be active members of KB, I just wasn't aware who they were.
Oh, this is going to get interesting...

Big Dave

22nd January 2009, 18:56

Oh, this is going to get interesting...

Why is that? Nobody is on any power trips here.
If someone has a better plan they are welcome to implement it.
Actually If someone has ANY plan I'd like to hear it.

Swoop

22nd January 2009, 18:58

Why is that? Nobody is on any power trips here.
If someone has a better plan they are welcome to implement it.
Actually If someone has ANY plan I'd like to hear it.
Just referring to the "discovery" of KB identities...

How is that advert for the Motomail "weekend deals" coming along???

Big Dave

22nd January 2009, 19:00

Just referring to the "discovery" of KB identities...

How is that advert for the Motomail "weekend deals" coming along???

Gotcha.
Vice President. I built the basic current site and another KBer is about to launch V2 which is a significant upgrade.
Otherwise I go to the meetings and comment on stuff I am qualified to - media and PR.

That is my bit - I listen and vote on other matters. Others are more active in policy - Stranger and others do the RRRS. More people and more skills always welcome.

Ad Done - in Saturday's Harold.

Basically same as on the web site.

Swoop

22nd January 2009, 19:02

Gotcha.

Done - in Saturday's Harold.

Basically same as on the web site.
I feel a "disturbance in the force" emanating from my wallet...
Like the actress said to the Bishop "It might take a bit of a pounding".

Big Dave

22nd January 2009, 19:07

I feel a "disturbance in the force" emanating from my wallet...
Like the actress said to the Bishop "It might take a bit of a pounding".

Yes - I have needs as well.

I added a bit to my post too.

Swoop

22nd January 2009, 19:11

Yes - I have needs as well.
Just thinking about this. I may have to cage it to the sale.
Or is it acceptable to ride naked?
I'm thinking 2 x helmets and one jacket...

Perhaps pants.
Yes.
Pants are a definate possibility as well.

at the moment...

there might be more.

Thank goodness I have bungys.:shifty:

Big Dave

22nd January 2009, 19:14

Chris will courier, post or deliver (or dispose of) your old gear home for you for that size sale.

popelli

22nd January 2009, 19:19

I think BRONZ lost the plot over 25 years ago when they announced that they supported helmet laws and would not do anything to challenge them

Then Lee Hurley accepted a well paid job working for the department of transport or what ever it was called then and all momentum towards change and fighting unnecessary leglislation seemed to so astray

Katman

22nd January 2009, 19:20

Actually If someone has ANY plan I'd like to hear it.

Well, how about BRONZ accepting the fact that Motorcycling is experiencing something of a crisis at the moment - and - not having BRONZ 'spokespeople' claiming that members of the public who vocally condemn motorcyclist's behaviour are doing so, not because they actually believe what they're saying, but rather, because they're just loonies.

Swoop

22nd January 2009, 19:28

Chris will courier, post or deliver (or dispose of) your old gear home for you for that size sale.
Now that is service!

A rainsuit....:scratch:

AD345

22nd January 2009, 19:45

Well, how about BRONZ accepting the fact that Motorcycling is experiencing something of a crisis at the moment - .

Crisis??

There's a crisis in/for/about/around motorcycling???

Pfft

Maybe you need to spend a couple of weeks away from this place - get some perspective.

Go for a motorcycle ride maybe

Katman

22nd January 2009, 19:55

Crisis??

There's a crisis in/for/about/around motorcycling???

Pfft

Maybe you need to spend a couple of weeks away from this place - get some perspective.

Go for a motorcycle ride maybe

Maybe you need to pull your head out of the fucking sand.

dipshit

22nd January 2009, 20:02

I think BRONZ lost the plot over 25 years ago when they announced that they supported helmet laws and would not do anything to challenge them

Oh yes, when BRONZ gave up on their "right to decide" campaign of opposing compulsory helmet use.

Asking a bunch of motorcyclists what laws they would like to see in place would be like asking a 5-year-old what they want to have for their dinner.

AD345

22nd January 2009, 20:12

Maybe you need to pull your head out of the fucking sand.

or yours out of your arse

There is no crisis chicken little

wishing doesn't make it so

Katman

22nd January 2009, 20:17

There is no crisis chicken little

So the announcment that the government are proposing an initiative targeting motorcyclists, in much the same way they targeted boyracers, isn't a crisis?

AD345

22nd January 2009, 20:27

So the announcment that the government are proposing an initiative targeting motorcyclists, in much the same way they targeted boyracers, isn't a crisis?

Nope

I can see how you might think so - especially being so close to this.

I applaud your passion and determination to make the differences you feel are necessary - I've just been here before, many times

Over the last few decades I've been involved to various degrees in responses to govt. initiatives/probes/inquiries/even full blown "clamp downs" on the following:

4wding

offroad racing

jetskis

microlights

blah, blah blah

they all seemed incredibly important and urgent at the time and many people felt their freedom to exercise their particular choice of hobby was in dire jeopardy.

I daresay you and most others here missed all of them and you could go out tomorrow and happily participate in any one of the above in blissful ignorance.

Its not a crisis - it hardly ever is.

Katman

22nd January 2009, 20:30

Its not a crisis - it hardly ever is.

Except we now live in a time when governments will happily make decisions regardless of what the majority (or minority - in the case of motorcyclists) want.

jrandom

22nd January 2009, 20:31

Has anyone actually told poor Coyote who les.mason@gmail.com is, yet?

:laugh:

Storm

22nd January 2009, 20:33

No. Go on, you do it:D

Big Dave

22nd January 2009, 20:33

Has anyone actually told poor Coyote who les.mason@gmail.com is, yet?

:laugh:

good point - can you rep it or are you still a cad?

Nice quote!

fliplid

22nd January 2009, 20:35

Nah... more fun leaving the ignorance. Had an e-mail from les.mason@gmail.com recently though :yes:

AD345

22nd January 2009, 20:36

Except we now live in a time when governments will happily make decisions regardless of what the majority (or minority - in the case of motorcyclists) want.

Thats not a new thing

trust me - if 4wding could survive 9 years of Jeanette Fitzsimons all cosy with Labour then motorcycling has no crisis at the moment.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not saying that people shouldn't be proactive and lead by example with reasonable behaviour on the roads - I just think its an overstatement to compare the silly season coverage of a few idiots equals a concerted attack on, or crisis for, motorcycling.

Katman

22nd January 2009, 20:44

trust me - if 4wding could survive 9 years of Jeanette Fitzsimons all cosy with Labour then motorcycling has no crisis at the moment.

FFS man, don't give me 4wding as an example.

That's something done almost entirely outside of the general public's view.

AD345

22nd January 2009, 20:56

FFS man, don't quote me 4wding.

That's something done almost entirely outside of the general public's view.

thatssright

Just as well theres no green lobby, or Walking Access Bill, or Department of Conservation, or Friends of Kaimanawa Horses, or people backing over kids in driveways or Remuera tractors clogging up school entrances, or 4wds tipping over and wiping out busloads of tourists....or....

otherwise 4wding would be in crisis!!!

whew

Motorcycling's got it WAAYYY tougher.

perspective mate - get some, seriously, or you're gonna burn out.

Donor

22nd January 2009, 20:59

The hippies will never directly target 4wds.

I mean, how else would they get their crops out of the bush in a timely fashion?

AD345

22nd January 2009, 21:00

The hippies will never directly target 4wds.

I mean, how else would they get their crops out of the bush in a timely fashion?

Thats why God invented the VW microbus

Katman

22nd January 2009, 21:01

perspective mate - get some, seriously, or you're gonna burn out.

Burn out? Seriously?

Have you only just noticed my user name?

:msn-wink:

AD345

22nd January 2009, 21:03

Burn out? Seriously?

Have you only just noticed my user name?

:msn-wink:

Just don't pop the tyre 'cos its a long frigging walk

Katman

22nd January 2009, 21:05

Just don't pop the tyre 'cos its a long frigging walk

The Energizer Bunny is a lazy fuck.

:msn-wink:

The Stranger

22nd January 2009, 21:20

WTF? Are they fuckin serious? There's shitloads of evidence that compulsory driver training is beneficial.

Really?
Are you serious?
It would be most helpful if you could point some out.

gunnyrob

22nd January 2009, 21:31

So, who was responsible for telling the powers that be that tolling motorbikes on the new Puhoi extension was a waste of time then?

(noting that bikes are free)

Swoop

22nd January 2009, 21:33

FFS man, don't give me 4wding as an example.

That's something done almost entirely outside of the general public's view.
Rubbish.
Remuera and Ponsonby are well known for their off-road adventures. Why else would anyone buy a 4 wheel drive vehicle?

Squiggles

22nd January 2009, 21:50

If compulsory driver training is anything like the shit the AA pumps out at the moment, then its going to make absolutely no difference.

Squiggles

22nd January 2009, 21:56

Nah... more fun leaving the ignorance. Had an e-mail from les.mason@gmail.com recently though :yes:

Im pretty sure he was at this meeting i went to the other week, trying to get council to give us more stuff for free :scooter:

Katman

22nd January 2009, 21:59

Im pretty sure he was at this meeting i went to the other week, trying to get council to give us more stuff for free :scooter:

Trouble is, asking for everything and giving nothing in return usually leads to failure.

(Interesting, Ix..........(oooops did I just say that:shutup:) computer seems broke tonight).

Squiggles

22nd January 2009, 22:04

Trouble is, asking for everything and giving nothing in return usually leads to failure.

(Interesting, Ix..........(oooops did I just say that:shutup:) computer seems broke tonight).

The compromise was looking pretty good actually :rockon:

Katman

22nd January 2009, 22:05

The compromise was looking pretty good actually :rockon:

That sounds promising.

I wish I'd been there to witness it.

Jeaves

22nd January 2009, 23:14

If compulsory driver training is anything like the shit the AA pumps out at the moment, then its going to make absolutely no difference.

+1

To sum up the Defensive Driving course:

Four lots of two hour sessions - Dont drink , dont speed, turn your wiper blades on when it rains...rinse and repeat.

skidMark

23rd January 2009, 00:22

I've given this a fair bit of thought before I decided to post on here. Plus my Dad agrees, I've been discussing with him.

I fink it's fair groundz 2 post cuz daddy finks so two!

James Deuce

23rd January 2009, 07:09

I fink it's fair groundz 2 post cuz daddy finks so two!

Some people have a respectful relationship with their parents that extends into mentoring and friendship.

I have more respect for people who manage to transition from a parent/child relationship into a meaningful adult one than I do for people with a pat putdown. You won't give a crap because the universe revolves around you, and Coyote's parental relationship syntagm doesn't fit with your "skidmark as ruler of the known and unknown universes" paradigm, does it?

Coyote

23rd January 2009, 09:08

I really did not expect 'he who shall not be named' was the Bronz dude. Go figure. I'd like to hear his opinion on the matter.

I fink it's fair groundz 2 post cuz daddy finks so two!
He's a smart dude. If he agrees then my opinion must have some merit. Fair enough?

I must meet you in person. I bet you're actually very shy and polite.

scracha

25th January 2009, 16:36

Really?
Are you serious?
It would be most helpful if you could point some out.

Compulsory basic training in the UK dramatically reduced motorcycle accidents when it was introduced....and it wasn't because it reduced the numbers of roders either. Hard to believe an organisation representing motorcyclists is against compulsory driver training...especially with the standard of fuckin idiots out there on 4 wheels.

The Stranger

25th January 2009, 22:50

Compulsory basic training in the UK dramatically reduced motorcycle accidents when it was introduced....and it wasn't because it reduced the numbers of roders either. Hard to believe an organisation representing motorcyclists is against compulsory driver training...especially with the standard of fuckin idiots out there on 4 wheels.

BRONZ is not against driver or rider training, you may have heard of RRRS, we believe in it, we're out there doing it - not just moaning about it on the Internet from an armchair.
Again, I challenge you to provide me proof, not heresay or anecdotal evidence, that driver training helps reduce accidents and/or mortality.
The govt aren't going to listen to what you think may have happened in the UK. A link to the published study would be a start.

Lucy

25th January 2009, 23:06

The articles are penned by an elected officer, ghost written by a professional and the page is provided free of charge by the publisher.

Politics is based on discussion and well intentioned criticism/help is welcome.

I don't understand what you mean. I thought 'penned' meant 'written by', so what does the Ghost writer do?

Lucy

25th January 2009, 23:08

BRONZ is not against driver or rider training, you may have heard of RRRS, we believe in it, we're out there doing it - not just moaning about it on the Internet from an armchair.
Again, I challenge you to provide me proof, not heresay or anecdotal evidence, that driver training helps reduce accidents and/or mortality.
The govt aren't going to listen to what you think may have happened in the UK. A link to the published study would be a start.

Good point. I know at least two Kb riders who binned not long after attending RRRS.

:Oops:

Katman

26th January 2009, 16:38

Having just had the opportunity today to read the last two BRONZ articles in KiwiRider I have to say that the constant references to "cagers" and "sheeple" smacks of total condescension - much the same way that letters to 'the powers that be' have been sent from Wire Rope Barrier opponents.

Until such times as we can talk to people that make the decisions that affect our lifestyle in a manner that is respectful and mature we'll continue to be seen as unworthy of serious consideration.

cooneyr

26th January 2009, 17:14

.....Until such times as we can talk to people that make the decisions that affect our lifestyle in a manner that is respectful and mature we'll continue to be seen as unworthy of serious consideration.

Amen to that. The approach is almost as important at the content.

Cheers R

Big Dave

26th January 2009, 18:14

I don't understand what you mean. I thought 'penned' meant 'written by', so what does the Ghost writer do?

Composes raw data in house style. (It's not me btw.)

oldrider

26th January 2009, 22:19

I really did not expect 'he who shall not be named' was the Bronz dude. Go figure. I'd like to hear his opinion on the matter.

He's a smart dude. If he agrees then my opinion must have some merit. Fair enough?

I must meet you in person. I bet you're actually very shy and polite.

It's a free world, you spoke your opinion, the writer you criticise will reflect on what you have said and take it into account.

At least you read the article and thought about what it meant to you and discussed it with your dad.

I wonder if you would have posted as you did, if you actually knew who the author was, or would you have simply joined the sheeple. :shifty: Cheers, John.

PS: Apparrantly with Skidmark, "what you see/read is what you get"! I can live with that too. :yes:

Coyote

27th January 2009, 09:10

It's a free world, you spoke your opinion, the writer you criticise will reflect on what you have said and take it into account.

At least you read the article and thought about what it meant to you and discussed it with your dad.

I wonder if you would have posted as you did, if you actually knew who the author was, or would you have simply joined the sheeple. :shifty: Cheers, John.

PS: Apparrantly with Skidmark, "what you see/read is what you get"! I can live with that too. :yes:
If I had known who it was, I would've spoke my opinion in a more playful and joking manner, and to him personally rather than making a thread about it.

In say that, now I know him, I haven't spoken to him directly yet. Basically cause I'm lazy and have other priorities. I don't spend much time on KB nowadays.

The Stranger

31st January 2009, 09:07

Having just had the opportunity today to read the last two BRONZ articles in KiwiRider I have to say that the constant references to "cagers" and "sheeple" smacks of total condescension

Just took the opportunity to read the BRONZ column in the Jan KR myself this morning and must say, in typical katman fashion you are over reacting.

Cagers and sheeple. How many of these people that he refers to read KR?

Now sure he missed a few opportunities, like pointing out that busses have a higher weight per passenger (even fully loaded) than a car and thus create even more pollution per person.
He also missed the point that busses create congestion where none exists. For those of you who don't live in Auckland - busses don't stop in bus stops during peak times, they stop in the lane adjacent to the bus stop to allow passengers on. Each stop creates a compression wave in the traffic and ensures that the next 100 or more motorists have to slow or stop at about that point. Often 2 busses will play leap frog stopping at alternate stops. This means the back bus is always pulling out into the right lane to go passed the stopped one in front. Again, this causes a compression wave, but crippling traffic flow in both lanes.

But despite missing a few points, it wasn't a bad read and sent a message - even though it was preaching to the converted.

It was a far better column than some old guy painfully (for the reader) trying to fill a page with waffle just to say "you need to be able to trust your tyres". This column will do far more damage to our image if read by the sheeple or cagers as it will confirm the image that you try so hard to defend - that we are all brain dead morons.