Questions for our KB coppers

[Lias]

Given the multitude of police related/bashing threads lately, I thought it might be an idea to start a thread to actually ask our resident KB coppers some questions.

If anyone has any reasonable questions, throw up a post and hopefully our local law enforcement will respond. To my mind it will be an interesting insight into things. (well assuming they respond LOL)

It'd be cool if we could try and keep the thread to just actual questions/answers, rather than cop bashing and ranting about what happened to my mothers cousins aunties nephew etc :-)

I'll start off with a few questions I'm curious about.

As coppers, do you support the traffic-centric policies that are being forced on you?

Have you ever seen another cop do something, or act in a manner that cause you to think "geeze what an asshole, nor wonder the public doesnt like us"? If so did you do anything about it?

Do you obey the speedlimit yourselves while offduty and on your bikes *grin*

Cheers :-)

[jrandom]

Either you're trolling, or you're lazy.

All of the resident coppers have answered these questions quite a few times over already, with duly attendant fizzing and counterargument about the positions they should or should not be taking. I don't imagine they want to do it over again on a semi-monthly basis.

If you really are interested, use the search function. And then ask about anything that hasn't been discussed yet.

[XTC]

My question.....
Why if you're a copper and bike rider and on KB, why would you admit it/disclose it? wouldn't it be more fun not to?

[spudchucka]

My question.....
Why if you're a copper and bike rider and on KB, why would you admit it/disclose it? wouldn't it be more fun not to?
When I joined KB I had no intention of advertising the fact, however it only took a few of "those" threads before pretty anyone with half a brain knew what I did for a living.

After a while there was no point in pretending otherwise.

[Biff]

When I joined KB I had no intention of advertising the fact, however it only took a few of "those" threads before pretty anyone with half a brain knew what I did for a living.

Are you a fireman?

[jrandom]

Are you a fireman?

Yes.

And, just on the quiet, like, did you realise that Firefight is actually a cop?

[jrandom]

When I joined KB I had no intention of advertising the fact, however it only took a few of "those" threads before pretty anyone with half a brain knew what I did for a living.

I still remember when you came out of the closet. It was a momentous occasion.

I think you very shortly thereafter switched to that avatar picture of the patrol car with red and blues going... bit like the gay dude who finally admits it to everyone and then immediately starts wearing pink lycra everywhere.

[James Deuce]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/gallery/albums/userpics/10562/Cave%20troll%203.jpg

[ktulu]

and you work for that weta animations or something that did lord of the rings then jim2?

[Waylander]

Hey Jim2, exactly what does that pic have to do with the price of rice in china?

[ktulu]

check this out (http://www.efencing.co.nz) and see if you can work mine out

[Biff]

Yes.

And, just on the quiet, like, did you realise that Firefight is actually a cop?

Based upon Spud's calculations, I make it that between us we have a complete brain.

Woohohoo. I want a Harley !!

[jrandom]

Hey Jim2, exactly what does that pic have to do with the price of rice in china?

Duh! It's spudchucka, about to arrest a drug dealer with an expired WOF.

[Waylander]

check this out (http://www.efencing.co.nz/) and see if you can work mine out
Would you happen to be a fencer? On a side note, if I break out my foil and other gear would you be up for a bout sometime?

[James Deuce]

Hey Jim2, exactly what does that pic have to do with the price of rice in china?

It's a cave troll, and since the thread is a troll, I just thought LiasTZ might like to see some family pics. (PT alert; whooot, whooot; Don't be alarmed folks this is just a little bit of good natured banter; Warning Wil Robinson; Gentlemen, we have a problem on our hands; That's no small moon!; I was born ready; PT)

[spudchucka]

As coppers, do you support the traffic-centric policies that are being forced on you?I think the focus is too much on the traffic side but I don't have a problem the current level of traffic enforcement. I would like to see more resources put into general policing and leave the traffic as it is.

And I don't think it is "forced" on us. I write on average about one ticket every two days and they aren't for 61kph. No one is coming down on me because I aint a ticket writing machine.


Have you ever seen another cop do something, or act in a manner that cause you to think "geeze what an asshole, nor wonder the public doesnt like us"? If so did you do anything about it?I can only think of one incident I have witnessed where I thought the cop went too far. I was only one of about five to witness it. There was a complaint, I was questioned, the guy got some counciling and as far as I'm aware he is still doing the job.


Do you obey the speedlimit yourselves while offduty and on your bikes *grin*In my car I pretty much never exceed 110kph. I use cruise control a lot! On my bike I like to ride twisty roads that are fun without going crazy speed wise. I like acceleration and power a lot more than i like outright speed, thats why I ride a V2. Sure, the bikes been given the occassional reaming out in the middle of nowhere, just to see what it can do, I'm only human. :niceone:

[Lias]

No this wasnt intended as a troll.

I'm not unfamiliar with the search function, but trying to narrow down answers to specific questions without wating through dozens of multipage threads is a PITA.

I just thought it would be interesting to get spud and byker cop and any others I havnt spotted in one place to comment from their side of the fence.

[spudchucka]

Are you a fireman?
No, but I do have a hose!

[Waylander]

It's a cave troll, and since the thread is a troll, I just thought LiasTZ might like to see some family pics. (PT alert; whooot, whooot; Don't be alarmed folks this is just a little bit of good natured banter; Warning Wil Robinson; Gentlemen, we have a problem on our hands; That's no small moon!; I was born ready; PT)
Figured that out after a bit. Originally thought it was that beast thingie Luke Skywalker fought in Return of the Jedi..... Think this post should have been in the geek thread.:confused:

[spudchucka]

I still remember when you came out of the closet. It was a momentous occasion.

I think you very shortly thereafter switched to that avatar picture of the patrol car with red and blues going... bit like the gay dude who finally admits it to everyone and then immediately starts wearing pink lycra everywhere.
Yeah, well at that stage I was thinking, "fuck it, might as well have some fun".

[spudchucka]

Duh! It's spudchucka, about to arrest a drug dealer with an expired WOF.
I'm much uglier than that pretty boy!

[James Deuce]

No this wasnt intended as a troll.

I'm not unfamiliar with the search function, but trying to narrow down answers to specific questions without wating through dozens of multipage threads is a PITA.

I just thought it would be interesting to get spud and byker cop and any others I havnt spotted in one place to comment from their side of the fence.

I'm stunned. Even with the most sarcastic PT warning I could come up with HE STILL BIT.

The Earth is doomed, doomed I tells ya.

[spudchucka]

No this wasnt intended as a troll.

I'm not unfamiliar with the search function, but trying to narrow down answers to specific questions without wating through dozens of multipage threads is a PITA.

I just thought it would be interesting to get spud and byker cop and any others I havnt spotted in one place to comment from their side of the fence.
If you are serious then feel free to ask whatever you want. I'll answer what I can but don't be offended if its not the answer you were looking for.

[ktulu]

fuck this thread is all over the show.

ok, this has been bugging me since I was 6 years old.... Are "get out of jail free cards" real??? and where can I get some>?

[Lias]

Thanks for taking the time to answer and not flame me as a troll :-) (although I will admit that my main character in an online game I play IS a troll *grin*)


No one is coming down on me because I aint a ticket writing machine.
Comforting to know :-)


Sure, the bikes been given the occassional reaming out in the middle of nowhere, just to see what it can do, I'm only human.
And here's me thinking you were robocop :2guns:, seriously thou it is nice to know that at least one copper out there is human :-)

[Motu]

check this out (http://www.efencing.co.nz) and see if you can work mine out

So,um....I see you do a few Asian fences,y'know the big electic controled driveway gates I see going up in the Mt Roskill/Hilsborough area.

[Lias]

I'm stunned. Even with the most sarcastic PT warning I could come up with HE STILL BIT.

The Earth is doomed, doomed I tells ya.

Was more aimed at Jrandom actually :-) Its hard to take any post involving giant brown trolls AND bananas seriously :2thumbsup

[James Deuce]

Was more aimed at Jrandom actually :-) Its hard to take any post involving giant brown trolls AND bananas seriously :2thumbsup

Exactly. About time that was made public.

I'm going to buy a KTM one day, and then I'll have a fruit bowl.

[ktulu]

Yeah thats for sure motu, it amazes me why people want these huge fences that make their homes feel like a bloody prison, its crazy. And bloody expensive when you get in to the automation but the options are endless. This is a bit of shameless advertising for company really.

Cheers for answering those questions spud, got a family friend in the police who is doing traffic down in cambridge now and he sure had a story or two to tell but it was interesting finding out how things go on the other side of the law.

[jrandom]

Was more aimed at Jrandom actually :-)

Hey! I represent that.

And why does everyone capitalise the 'j' or the 'jr' part of my name? If I'd meant it to be spelled that way, I would have used the Shift key when I typed it in. It's 'jrandom'. In lowercase letters.

Or, if you're Yokai, 1101010 1110010 1100001 1101110 1100100 1101111 1101101.

[Biff]

If you are serious then feel free to ask whatever you want.

Yes I have a very important question - Why is it that only drug dealers and software companies refer to their clients as 'users' ?

[Lias]

You'd already answered the main ones I had, but seeing as your being a good sort, heres a few other random questions off the top of my head.

Is it illegal to yell abuse at people? Like if I lean out a cage window and shake my fist while voicefully discussing someones probable ancestry can I be arrested?

Do you think self defence should have more legal standing in NZ?

Do you think our firearms laws are screwed up when its danged hard to get your license legally if you've ever had any trouble with the law (even relatively minor), but criminals always seem to have firearms anyways?

[jrandom]

Is it illegal to yell abuse at people?

Only if nobody hears it due to a tree falling loudly in a forest nearby.


Do you think self defence should have more legal standing in NZ?

Yes. Also, we should be allowed to lynch niggers.


Do you think our firearms laws are screwed up when its danged hard to get your license legally if you've ever had any trouble with the law (even relatively minor), but criminals always seem to have firearms anyways?

No.

[Lias]

Or, if you're Yokai, 1101010 1110010 1100001 1101110 1100100 1101111 1101101

All i have to say to that is 01100111 01100101 01100101 01101011 00100001

[onearmedbandit]

Yes I have a very important question - Why is it that only drug dealers and software companies refer to their clients as 'users' ?

Now that is a good question.

[vifferman]

check this out (http://www.efencing.co.nz/) and see if you can work mine out
That wasn't a good idea to post that!
We're still waiting for a quote from you guys for a gate! :brick:
If it's not in the box tonight, you may have lost our business.... :angry2:

[jrandom]

All i have to say to that is 01100111 01100101 01100101 01101011 00100001

Knock it off, or I'll start using EBCDIC.

[ktulu]

Just send you a PM there vifferman. Can safely say it isnt me that is looking after it but I will chase it up and also see about a KB member discount.

[XTC]

Just send you a PM there vifferman. Can safely say it isnt me that is looking after it but I will chase it up and also see about a KB member discount.
Make his gate with the KB logo on it.........:)

[ktulu]

hahaha, it can be arraged, we could have it airbrushed with the KB logo if its timber or put some little bike figurines in to it if its metal, no worries at all :D

[bugjuice]

fuck this thread is all over the show.

ok, this has been bugging me since I was 6 years old.... Are "get out of jail free cards" real??? and where can I get some>?
if you ever get round to finding them, could you tell me where 'GO' is, so I can collect 200 bucks?

[Biff]

Now that is a good question.

Don't get me started on good questions. Oh, you already have. Ok then, here's a couple more for you:

1. If a mute swears, does his mother wash his hands with soap?
2. Why don't crematoriums give discounts for burn victims?

Questions like these keep me awake most evenings. HELP!

[Hitcher]

You want a question? Try this for size. Rep points for the correct answer (and yes, there is one).

If a millipede a pint,
And a centipede a quart,
What would a precipice?

[Biff]

You want a question? Try this for size. Rep points for the correct answer (and yes, there is one).

If a millipede a pint,
And a centipede a quart,
What would a precipice?

A torrent?

[bugjuice]

why do kamakazi pilots wear helmets?
why is it when you try to think of a really good question, one that's plagued you for ever, that you can't remember any?

[jrandom]

why do kamakazi pilots wear helmets?

I thought they just wore rising-sun teatowels around their heads.

[Biff]

You want a question? Try this for size. Rep points for the correct answer (and yes, there is one).

If a millipede a pint,
And a centipede a quart,
What would a precipice?

It's 23 I think. I'm just trying to work out 23 of what though!!

Typical - just as my calculator melts the Hitcher goes offline - TEASE!!

[BNZ]

check this out (http://www.efencing.co.nz) and see if you can work mine out

check this out (http://www.irideyourmumforajob.com) and see if you can work out mine

[Biff]

check this out (http://www.irideyourmumforajob.com) and see if you can work out mine

I think the links broken, it should be http://wwww.iamawanker.com

[avgas]

I think the links broken, it should be
Both wrong, its [URL=http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=181677#post181677]this one (]http://wwww.iamawanker.com[/URL)

[MrMelon]

No, but I do have a hose!
In different area codes?

[Hitcher]

A torrent?
The Force is strong in this one. Think about it again...

[Waylander]

Hey! I represent that.

And why does everyone capitalise the 'j' or the 'jr' part of my name? If I'd meant it to be spelled that way, I would have used the Shift key when I typed it in. It's 'jrandom'. In lowercase letters.

Ok jrANDOM, is that better?:shake:

[Waylander]

You want a question? Try this for size. Rep points for the correct answer (and yes, there is one).

If a millipede a pint,
And a centipede a quart,
What would a precipice?
Isn't a precipice a small ledge?

[Hitcher]

Isn't a precipice a small ledge?
More what lies beneath...

[XTC]

You want a question? Try this for size. Rep points for the correct answer (and yes, there is one).

If a millipede a pint,
And a centipede a quart,
What would a precipice?
Probably piss......

[Waylander]

More what lies beneath...
could be anything from water to air or some mixture in-bewteen I think but that would be a literal meaning of the word and I don't think that's where your going with this.

[spudchucka]

Cheers for answering those questions spud, got a family friend in the police who is doing traffic down in cambridge now and he sure had a story or two to tell but it was interesting finding out how things go on the other side of the law.We can all hang shit on traffic cops and granted some deserve it but spare a thought for them too because they sure as hell see some shit on the highways.

[spudchucka]

Yes I have a very important question - Why is it that only drug dealers and software companies refer to their clients as 'users' ?
When you find out let me know too.... :apint:

[Waylander]

Yes I have a very important question - Why is it that only drug dealers and software companies refer to their clients as 'users' ?
Maybe it's missing an "L" at the begining?

[spudchucka]

Is it illegal to yell abuse at people? Like if I lean out a cage window and shake my fist while voicefully discussing someones probable ancestry can I be arrested?Offensive language or disorderly behaviour would be appropriate offences. Both are under the Summary Offences Act 1981, sections 3 & 4. If you want to look up legislation go here: http://www.legislation.co.nz


Do you think self defence should have more legal standing in NZ? Self defence already has a strong legal standing under the Crimes Act 1961. Look up section 48 at the same web site. Problems arise through people not understanding how far they can take things before they become unreasonable.


Do you think our firearms laws are screwed up when its danged hard to get your license legally if you've ever had any trouble with the law (even relatively minor), but criminals always seem to have firearms anyways?Haven't ever given this much thought but I would say I am happy that there is very rigid vetting of firearm licence applicants. Hardcore crims will always have firearms, even if guns were totally banned they would still find a way to aquire of produce their own. Thats a situation I would like to avoid, if guns were outlawed then only outlaws would possess them, not a good idea.

[Waylander]

Hey spud any idea how far someone can go if they catch another person in the midst of damaging thier property or trying to steal something of thiers? Would that be in the same area you listed above or would it be somewhere else?

[spudchucka]

Hey spud any idea how far someone can go if they catch another person in the midst of damaging thier property or trying to steal something of thiers? Would that be in the same area you listed above or would it be somewhere else?
Defence of property is covered in sections 52, 53, 54, 55 & 56 of the Crimes Act. You will note that in prety much all of these sections the right to protect property is capped by the words, "does not strike or do bodily harm to the trespasser" or something similar.

Section 35 gives everbody the power to arrest peopel found committing certain crimes.

35.Arrest of persons found committing certain crimes—

Every one is justified in arresting without warrant—

(a)Any person whom he finds committing any offence against this Act that is punishable by death or for which the maximum punishment is not less than 3 years' imprisonment:

(b)Any person whom he finds by night committing any offence against this Act.

The power to use force to effect an arrest is covered in section 39. The key points are that the arrest must be justified and the force used reasonable in the circumstances. This is the area of law that is very subjective, (the element of reasonableness), and that which most civilians would get wrong in most cases.

It would be best just to call the police unless iminent threat to peoples well being existed.


39.Force used in executing process or in arrest—

Where any person is justified, or protected from criminal responsibility, in executing or assisting to execute any sentence, warrant, or process, or in making or assisting to make any arrest, that justification or protection shall extend and apply to the use by him of such force as may be necessary to overcome any force used in resisting such execution or arrest, unless the sentence, warrant, or process can be executed or the arrest made by reasonable means in a less violent manner:

Provided that, except in the case of a constable or a person called upon by a constable to assist him, this section shall not apply where the force used is intended or likely to cause death or grievous bodily harm.

Cf 1908 No 32 s 60

[Big Dave]

You want a question? Try this for size. Rep points for the correct answer (and yes, there is one).

If a millipede a pint,
And a centipede a quart,
What would a precipice?

A long drop.
bd

[Waylander]

Thanks mate. Still dont understand it but thats just me and government documents, never could understand them. Anyway thanks again, if I catch anyone trying to steal my bike I'll just knock them down and hold them till the police show up. If I can control my temper....

[spudchucka]

Thanks mate. Still dont understand it but thats just me and government documents, never could understand them. Anyway thanks again, if I catch anyone trying to steal my bike I'll just knock them down and hold them till the police show up. If I can control my temper....
If you can restrain him without killing or maiming him you should be ok.

[Waylander]

If you can restrain him without killing or maiming him you should be ok.
What about minor injuries such as black eyes, split lip and maybe a broken nose?

[Big Dave]

Why do fools fall in love?

or my favourite from the airport help counter in 'Flying High':
'should i fake my orgasms?'

bd

[Big Dave]

What about minor injuries maybe a broken nose?

I've had my nose broken 3 times - 1 football, 1 basketball and 1 lucky punch - none seemed minor at the time, and that pain paled when compared to the feeling of having the packing removed after surgery.
In fact exactly the type of thing you'd wish on someone stealing your bike.

bd

[Hitcher]

A long drop.
bd
The answer I was seeking was "quite a drop", but Big Dave is close enough. Rep given.

[Biff]

The answer I was seeking was "quite a drop", but Big Dave is close enough. Rep given.

Can we have another please Mr H? Pleeeeease can we, can we ?

[Waylander]

The answer I was seeking was "quite a drop", but Big Dave is close enough. Rep given.
Damn, was just about to say that:confused: no really I was... Ohwell got points for the "arse" I used in another post:done:

[Big Dave]

The answer I was seeking was "quite a drop", but Big Dave is close enough. Rep given.

Running around office, arms in air, mouthing opening theme to 'Match of the day - with Jimmy Hill'

do-do-do, do-do-do-do-do, do.

On a roll - the 'RATS' had 'a podium' at the Cock n bull quiz night last evening too - White Trash even put in a guest apperance.

chz
bd

[spudchucka]

What about minor injuries such as black eyes, split lip and maybe a broken nose?
Hypothetically were they necessary and reasonable in the circumstances or were they simply for your own personal satisfaction?

[Waylander]

Hypothetically were they necessary and reasonable in the circumstances or were they simply for your own personal satisfaction?
Little of column A, little of column B...
Felt good doin it and the guy turned and swung at me before I did anything other than yell. Keep in mind this was back in texas where it was definately legal.

[magnum]

how often are police radar meant to be checked/calibrated for efficientcy,and can i ask them for a copy when/if or after being pulled over?thanx :done:

[spudchucka]

Little of column A, little of column B...
Felt good doin it and the guy turned and sung at me before I did anything other than yell. Keep in mind this was back in texas where it was definately legal.
I think we could do with a little Texas mentality in this country but I'd draw the line at slugging somebody for singing to you. :confused:

[spudchucka]

how often are police radar meant to be checked/calibrated for efficientcy,and can i ask them for a copy when/if or after being pulled over?thanx :done:
The radar units have a sticker on them that shows the next calibration date. They get checked once a year, I think, not too sure.

They don't carry a copy of the calibration documentation in the cars but if you were to defend a ticket then you would get that as part of disclosure.

[Waylander]

I think we could do with a little Texas mentality in this country but I'd draw the line at slugging somebody for singing to you. :confused:
It has been fixed mate I hate it when I miss keys like that.
Also most of us Texas boys are calm and level headed but somethings do drive us to the edge and beyond if we get mad enough. I would rather not fight but if I catch someone doin something harmfull to my family, friends, and my bike....

[spudchucka]

It has been fixed mate I hate it when I miss keys like that.
Gives others the opportunity to take the piss though and ya can't ever let a chance go by.

[Da Bird]

how often are police radar meant to be checked/calibrated for efficientcy,and can i ask them for a copy when/if or after being pulled over?thanx :done:

Yes, they are calibrated once a year. They will have a sticker with the next calibration date on the unit that you can look at but the actual certificate is held elsewhere which, as Spud says, can be sent to you if you defend the ticket.

B.C

[idb]

Can you pull over more than one bike saying that you Hawked them all speeding?
It's always bugged me that I didn't say 'well which one of us did you get?' when he showed us the readout.
Of course that would have made it me but I would have taken the hit for my mate :niceone:

[marty]

they are actually speed checked at auckland airport. there is a ring road that runs parallel to the runway - 4km long, and it is set up with camera pads and calibrated equipment. quite often there is a red ss commodore doing 200k next to the fence, testing the gear. they are calibrated 12 monthly. they are checked for accuracy before each day of duty, with tuning forks calibrated to set speed. (i think 24 and 47k from memory - it's been a long time) the hawks were 80 and 45k, i know that much...

the lasers are checked (before duty) using a length measurement at a calibrated spot.

[marty]

Can you pull over more than one bike saying that you Hawked them all speeding?
It's always bugged me that I didn't say 'well which one of us did you get?' when he showed us the readout.
Of course that would have made it me but I would have taken the hit for my mate :niceone:

absolutley. the test is a visual one, which the cop has to say on oath that all were travelling at the same speed - that is, none of them were visibly faster or slower. i have written many tickets to 2 cars - one following the other closely. it's a simple matter of asking the front car how long the guy behind has been following (or up his ARSE) never to bikes though - the only pace it happens regularly enough is paeroa, and gangster rides, and then they have a sacrificial lamb out the back who will stop for you.

[idb]

absolutley. the test is a visual one, which the cop has to say on oath that all were travelling at the same speed - that is, none of them were visibly faster or slower. i have written many tickets to 2 cars - one following the other closely. it's a simple matter of asking the front car how long the guy behind has been following (or up his ARSE) never to bikes though - the only pace it happens regularly enough is paeroa, and gangster rides, and then they have a sacrificial lamb out the back who will stop for you.

So I assume that the 'never bikes' policy is your own?
And if the bike in front simply says that he has just passed the other one or (if he doesn't want the ticket) that the one behind has just caught up then it's no dice on getting them both?
Gotta get my story straight ya see :D

[Cleve]

Good news in latest changes with LTSA


Special vehicle lanes (bus lanes)

Only cyclists, motorcyclists and buses are
allowed to use bus lanes.


Finally we can ride in bus lanes. (Got a ticket a few months ago but after writing in to complain they let me off. I guess they knew the new rules were coming in. Whereas I actually thought the new rules WERE in place. Anyway now they are.

Cheers

[crashe]

Good news in latest changes with LTSA


Special vehicle lanes (bus lanes)

Only cyclists, motorcyclists and buses are
allowed to use bus lanes.


Finally we can ride in bus lanes. (Got a ticket a few months ago but after writing in to complain they let me off. I guess they knew the new rules were coming in. Whereas I actually thought the new rules WERE in place. Anyway now they are.

Cheers

I would like this to be confirmed by spud and the other police on here etc....that we can NOW use the Motorway bus lanes to ride our bikes on without getting a ticket. Cos in the past it was $150 fine. I would like some sort of verification that its true. Thanks in advance.

[idb]

I would like this to be confirmed by spud and the other police on here etc....that we can NOW use the Motorway bus lanes to ride our bikes on without getting a ticket. Cos in the past it was $150 fine. I would like some sort of verification that its true. Thanks in advance.
Whats a....m-o-t-o-r-w-a-y...?

[spudchucka]

they are checked for accuracy before each day of duty, with tuning forks calibrated to set speed. (i think 24 and 47k from memory - it's been a long time) the hawks were 80 and 45k, i know that much...
40.5 & 64.8 on the units we have. Don't know how they come up with those numbers??

[spudchucka]

Can you pull over more than one bike saying that you Hawked them all speeding?
It's always bugged me that I didn't say 'well which one of us did you get?' when he showed us the readout.
Of course that would have made it me but I would have taken the hit for my mate :niceone:
Like Marty said.

[spudchucka]

So I assume that the 'never bikes' policy is your own?
And if the bike in front simply says that he has just passed the other one or (if he doesn't want the ticket) that the one behind has just caught up then it's no dice on getting them both?
Gotta get my story straight ya see :D
Regardless of what you say the cop will go on what he saw. The judge will decide who is bullshitting.

[spudchucka]

I would like this to be confirmed by spud and the other police on here etc....that we can NOW use the Motorway bus lanes to ride our bikes on without getting a ticket. Cos in the past it was $150 fine. I would like some sort of verification that its true. Thanks in advance.
I couldn't care less if you ride in a bus lane.

So long as the bus doesn't squash you and then I have to clean up your guts off the road, then I'd be pretty pissed about it and post a ticket out to your estate.

But seriously, we don't have motorways or bus lanes where I live so I really have no idea about the legalities of it.

[Stevo]

i have written many tickets to 2 cars - one following the other closely. it's a simple matter of asking the front car how long the guy behind has been following (or up his ARSE) .

Ok this one has me in two minds. Why pull up the front car if the tailgater is obviously intimidating them?? Cos I HATE tailgaters unless they are bikes.

Other hand Pull the front one up cos they are (and/or have been) holding up the tailgater and frustrated them. Cos there are far too many inconsiderate drivers in this this country. Not such a big deal if speeding cos then they may not be holding up the back car unless they are braking at EVERY slight bend in the road and hoofing it on the straights.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm. Is this the discretion thing?

I guess the real question is, Do you in a circumstance like this observe both drivers before pulling them up, or book em both........... everytime?

[marty]

40.5 & 64.8 on the units we have. Don't know how they come up with those numbers??


that's right! it's been a while.....

[marty]

i can tell you what the best climb out speed of a cessna 152 is though :)

[Biff]

i can tell you what the best climb out speed of a cessna 152 is though :)

OOOOO - I learnt to fly in one of them!!! What a heap of shit it was too!!

Was it 55 Knots?

[Wolf]

I think we could do with a little Texas mentality in this country but I'd draw the line at slugging somebody for singing to you. :confused:

Depends what they were singing - if it were a Garth Brooks song or anything about wives leaving, dogs dying, driving trucks or mining disasters then a broken nose would be UNDER-reacting. (PT Alert)

What you do, if you see someone stealing your bike, is loudly say "hmmm, the last person who tampered with my bike was also a father-raping faggot"

And then the broken nose you dish out will honestly be self-defence, plain and simple...

[curious george]

Good news in latest changes with LTSA
Special vehicle lanes (bus lanes)
Only cyclists, motorcyclists and buses are
allowed to use bus lanes.Finally we can ride in bus lanes. (Got a ticket a few months ago but after writing in to complain they let me off. I guess they knew the new rules were coming in. Whereas I actually thought the new rules WERE in place. Anyway now they are.
Cheers

Can we be sure of this?
The problem is thus:
Bus lanes in the city are ARC controlled, the motorway are Transit NZ.
The council are OK about using them, ( a bylaw), but the motorway requires a change in legislation. Or something. :brick:
So if they have changed the motorway rules, is it posted somewhere, then I can laminate it, and stick on the the fuel tank...

[ManDownUnder]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/gallery/albums/userpics/10562/Cave%20troll%203.jpg

HEY - THere's that pole from up that guy's butt (see "Ouch that's gotta hurt").

So it wasn't an accident after all - but a bloody great monster!

[curious george]

Or, if you're Yokai, 1101010 1110010 1100001 1101110 1100100 1101111 1101101.
'Scuse me, but 01001001 00100111 01110110 01100101 00100000 01100111 01101111 01110100 00100000 01101110 01101111 00100000 01101001 01100100 01100101 01100001 00100000 01110111 01101000 01100001 01110100 00100000 01111001 01101111 01110101 00100000 01110011 01100001 01101001 01100100 00101110 00100000 01000011 01100001 01101110 00100000 01111001 01101111 01110101 00100000 01110000 01101100 01100101 01100001 01110011 01100101 00100000 01110100 01110010 01100001 01101110 01110011 01101100 01100001 01110100 01100101 00111111 00100000 01010100 01101000 01100001 01101110 01101011 01110011 00101110
Thankyouverymucha...

[ManDownUnder]

Can we be sure of this?
The problem is thus:
Bus lanes in the city are ARC controlled, the motorway are Transit NZ.
The council are OK about using them, ( a bylaw), but the motorway requires a change in legislation. Or something. :brick:
So if they have changed the motorway rules, is it posted somewhere, then I can laminate it, and stick on the the fuel tank...

I just rang the LTSA and the nice chappie on the end confirmed there are new road user rules coming into effect on the 27th (in 3 more days) whereby a M/C (and a cycle and a bus) can use bus lanes... nation wide!

I specifically asked if that meant only those covered by Transit, or those in cities also (i.e. Wellington... which previously had a no M/C in bus lanes rule). I was told it is ALL bus lanes.

YEE HA!!!!!!! :banana:

Awesome Awesome Awesome!
MDU

[ManDownUnder]

'Scuse me, but 01001001 00100111 01110110 01100101 00100000 01100111 01101111 01110100 00100000 01101110 01101111 00100000 01101001 01100100 01100101 01100001 00100000 01110111 01101000 01100001 01110100 00100000 01111001 01101111 01110101 00100000 01110011 01100001 01101001 01100100 00101110 00100000 01000011 01100001 01101110 00100000 01111001 01101111 01110101 00100000 01110000 01101100 01100101 01100001 01110011 01100101 00100000 01110100 01110010 01100001 01101110 01110011 01101100 01100001 01110100 01100101 00111111 00100000 01010100 01101000 01100001 01101110 01101011 01110011 00101110
Thankyouverymucha...

c'mon - something in hex.. or octal would be nice too please...

MDU

[crashe]

I just rang the LTSA and the nice chappie on the end confirmed there are new road user rules coming into effect on the 27th (in 3 more days) whereby a M/C (and a cycle and a bus) can use bus lanes... nation wide!

I specifically asked if that meant only those covered by Transit, or those in cities also (i.e. Wellington... which previously had a no M/C in bus lanes rule). I was told it is ALL bus lanes.

YEE HA!!!!!!! :banana:

Awesome Awesome Awesome!
MDU

Thats great, but I want to get it in writing first before I ride on the bus lanes on the motorway.... just in case some police officer decides to stop me and give me a ticket.... I want to have something on paper that I can carry on me at all times....
So who to ring to get this? Or will bike shops get copies of the new law as they did for when we were allowed to ride on city bus lanes?

[marty]

OOOOO - I learnt to fly in one of them!!! What a heap of shit it was too!!

Was it 55 Knots?

54 with 10 degrees. then 67 with no flap. then 80 for best ROC.

i'm flying a 172 now that does 2500 fpm at 70kts. it's awesome..

just got back from an IFR training flight to TGA and back. very bumpy and rainy it was.

[Wolf]

c'mon - something in hex.. or octal would be nice too please...

MDU

How about "I cast the Evil Eye on Thee"?

Sorry, even tho' I'm a pagan I don't get a lot of practice at hexes...

And in case you're worried, I retract any hexes inadvertently levelled in the spirit of a PT

[Biff]

54 with 10 degrees. then 67 with no flap. then 80 for best ROC.

i'm flying a 172 now that does 2500 fpm at 70kts. it's awesome..

just got back from an IFR training flight to TGA and back. very bumpy and rainy it was.

Cool - ain't it the greatest!! Have you done instruments only yet. Now that's a real brown trouser excercise. No visuals at all (you wear a funny hat that blocks out the outside world), save for your instrument panel.

40 degrees below 40 knots, no flaps? Is that right?

[Lias]

54 68 65 20 67 65 65 6B 20 69 73 20 73 74 72 6F 6E 67 20 69 6E 20 74 68 69 73 20 6F 6E 65 00

[Big Dave]

well, hexi speaking #000000 is my favourite colour and have been using a lot of #FF3300 lately too.
bd

[ZorsT]

well, someone i know (they arent that credible) tried telling me that it is perfectly legal to ride on the back of a ute, is this true??

I know that if a car doesn't have enough seatbelts for all of someones children, then it is legal for them (if they are over 8 - i think) to not wear seatbelts if all of them are used (5 children plus mother, in a station wagon with 5 seatbelts) but have never heard of this ute thigy

thankyou

[Jeremy]

To memory if anyone in the vehicle is not wearing a seatbelt this is legal but only if the car is traveling at less than 25km/h (Go check in the road code it's there somewhere).

[marty]

if you go to www.legislation.govt.nz and search the 'regulations' tab, you will find the answer to just about everything.

[marty]

To memory if anyone in the vehicle is not wearing a seatbelt this is legal but only if the car is traveling at less than 25km/h (Go check in the road code it's there somewhere).

so by that thinking, if you're pissed and not doing over 25km/h you're ok?

[Rod Steel]

Im not sure if this is a ltsa or a polica issue, but il post it anyway, Ive got on my desk 4 tyre valve caps that have a LED and light sensor in them and they light up when the wheels on a car/bike turn when its dark outside.
If you were pulled over while your bike had these on, would you be ticketed?
I assume this would be considered part of that law about car neons how your not allowed to let the light source be seen from outside the car?
Il post a pic later when its dark to illustrate what I mean.

Cheers

[onearmedbandit]

Not illegal from a safety point of view, but very illegal under the Mistreatment of Motorcycles Act, 1996. Subsection 24 relating to crimes against acceptable motorcycle fashion. Punishible by fine and/or imprisonment.



PT.

[StoneChucker]

Cool - ain't it the greatest!! Have you done instruments only yet. Now that's a real brown trouser excercise. No visuals at all (you wear a funny hat that blocks out the outside world), save for your instrument panel.

40 degrees below 40 knots, no flaps? Is that right?
Yes, it's quite unsettling at first! Ohhhh, now you've gone and got me all plane crazy again, and I can't do nought for a good few months! :brick:

[spudchucka]

Im not sure if this is a ltsa or a polica issue, but il post it anyway, Ive got on my desk 4 tyre valve caps that have a LED and light sensor in them and they light up when the wheels on a car/bike turn when its dark outside.
If you were pulled over while your bike had these on, would you be ticketed?
I assume this would be considered part of that law about car neons how your not allowed to let the light source be seen from outside the car?
Il post a pic later when its dark to illustrate what I mean.

Cheers
That would be something you have to check with LTSA. My only issue with them would be that they would get pinched in no time and then I'd have to do another hour of bloody paperwork to report the damn theft.

[spudchucka]

well, someone i know (they arent that credible) tried telling me that it is perfectly legal to ride on the back of a ute, is this true??

I know that if a car doesn't have enough seatbelts for all of someones children, then it is legal for them (if they are over 8 - i think) to not wear seatbelts if all of them are used (5 children plus mother, in a station wagon with 5 seatbelts) but have never heard of this ute thigy

thankyou
Absolutely not! If all the seatbelts are used and you are jamming more passengers in unrestrained then you are overloading and allowing people to ride in an unsafe position. You would get no mercy from me if I found you driving around with unrestrained kids.

[marty]

Yes, it's quite unsettling at first! Ohhhh, now you've gone and got me all plane crazy again, and I can't do nought for a good few months! :brick:

i'm not sure about the 40/40 thing. can't say i've done that. the 172 flap only goes to 30 degrees, 152 goes to 40 though. i had the 172 hovering overhead lake karapiro the other day - 20kt head wind, 1700rpm, full flap, right on the stall buzzer. called atc and they verified my speed on radar was ZERO knots! it was a hoot!

[Wolf]

Not illegal from a safety point of view, but very illegal under the Mistreatment of Motorcycles Act, 1996. Subsection 24 relating to crimes against acceptable motorcycle fashion. Punishible by fine and/or imprisonment.
PT.

Heinous crime against fashion they may be, but I reckon that if they served to make a bike more visible, they'd be a good idea. (says the dork who rides wearing black helmet and armour and doesn't even own a retroreflective vest :whistle:)

I read the old thread re neons and checked up LTSA's site - they've mentioned that under the new lighting regs, neons ("cosmetic lighting" in their terminology) will not be banned but will be regulated - light source not visible, angled downwards etc.

[Mongoose]

Heinous crime against fashion they may be, but I reckon that if they served to make a bike more visible, they'd be a good idea. (says the dork who rides wearing black helmet and armour and doesn't even own a retroreflective vest :whistle:)

I read the old thread re neons and checked up LTSA's site - they've mentioned that under the new lighting regs, neons ("cosmetic lighting" in their terminology) will not be banned but will be regulated - light source not visible, angled downwards etc.


I can multiple bins from bikers getting mesmerized watching their ginkley wheels going round and round :yeah: