AMCC Presidents Report Feb 09

[MadDuck]

Ok I have nothing to lose by raising this as I dont race but do hold a membership to AMCC. I got my AMCC newsletter this week and once again I am disappointed at the attack of the president on "sites" on the internet about the so called experts after the fact.

It is 2009 and the internet means that people are able to express their opinions in an open forum. That includes racers, their support crews and spectators. Is it bad? Maybe? But a lot of the volunteers in the form of marshalls also frequent these websites.

These sites also provide funding support, spectator support and free advertising. I will put my neck out and say I thought this report was pretty poor taste.

[Biggles08]

Ok I have nothing to lose by raising this as I dont race but do hold a membership to AMCC. I got my AMCC newsletter this week and once again I am disappointed at the attack of the president on "sites" on the internet about the so called experts after the fact.

It is 2009 and the internet means that people are able to express their opinions in an open forum. That includes racers, their support crews and spectators. Is it bad? Maybe? But a lot of the volunteers in the form of marshalls also frequent these websites.

These sites also provide funding support, spectator support and free advertising. I will put my neck out and say I thought this report was pretty poor taste.

I'm surprised the AMCC has even heard of the internet...I mean that's pretty modern of them!!!:whistle:

[jrandom]

What did it actually say?

[Gremlin]

hmpf.... seems you're more important than the regular marshalls... I haven't got my newsletter yet.

So umm... whatcha talking aboot?

Biggles: Yep, they have heard of the internets!! They read all the nasty things unknown randoms say about them, and have their feelings hurt. :laugh:

[SixPackBack]

The quality of their news letter speaks volumes about the level of professionalism and engagement AMCC displays. It might have been appropriate in 1979, but seriously a 16 year old could whip something up more interesting.

[White trash]

Good point raised here MadDuck. I did mean to post this issue myself, but I'll speak to Mr Costello personally regarding it first as I don't think he understands fully what these "evil" websites are actually about.

After having a wee chat I plan to respond to his report with a letter to the editor of the AMCC News Letter as I can't help but think his comments are mostly made in response to the fuss I made over a year ago.

As for being "the next best thing who bows out when they find they don't have enough talent", it's interesting the names of who's support I had.

Lawrence, Williams, Lees, Martin..... the list goes on.

[White trash]

What did it actually say?
I'll give you a brief overview.

The past organiser of Wanganui Cemetary Circuit stepped asside because of bullshit printed on Websites regarding how the event was run by no talent loosers with nothing better to do than bitch on the internet. These websites are evil and making it very difficult for clubs to run events.

[jrandom]

I'll give you a brief overview.

The past organiser of Wanganui Cemetary Circuit stepped asside because of bullshit printed on Websites regarding how the event was run by no talent loosers with nothing better to do than bitch on the internet.

Way hey hey!

Forget the bitter out-of-touch twat who wrote it, that's a big win for you and the other racers. Good on you for speaking out at the time on these forums. Just goes to show that the pen is occasionally mightier than the sword.

A tale of race organisers who cocked up falling on their swords after racers used the internet to publish their disapproval. Best news I've heard all week, and I'm sure the readers of that newsletter will be able to read between the lines and see the same thing.

Couldn't have started my Sunday morning off on a better note.

:apint:

[Kickaha]

Can someone post the newsetter up?

[Billy]

I'll give you a brief overview.

The past organiser of Wanganui Cemetary Circuit stepped asside because of bullshit printed on Websites regarding how the event was run by no talent loosers with nothing better to do than bitch on the internet. These websites are evil and making it very difficult for clubs to run events.

And wasnt it soooo much better without them.Well done

[scracha]

Ok I have nothing to lose by raising this as I dont race but do hold a membership to AMCC. I got my AMCC newsletter this week and once again I am disappointed at the attack of the president on "sites" on the internet about the so called experts after the fact.


I have to agree. I thought having a "presidents report" with el presidente basically just ranting was pretty pathetic to say the least. Were it not for "sites" on the internet then I'm sure the complete fuckup at Wanganui would have all been hushed up and swept under the carpet like in the good old days.

Why does he think guys who are/were fast on motorcycles are somehow experts at running motorcycle events/clubs/organisations? It's akin to watching world class soccer players failing miserably when they start managing a team.

[Biggles08]

Its funny really....the fact that the 'presidents report' was actually a 'slip in' added in later....must have been away on holiday somewhere and couldn't email it in to the printer (due to lack of internet ;-)) on time so probably wrote it on a serviette at a cafe somewhere and posted it in snail mail....then they typed it out on a typewriter and photocopied it just in time to slip it in! :buggerd:

[Robert Taylor]

Ok I have nothing to lose by raising this as I dont race but do hold a membership to AMCC. I got my AMCC newsletter this week and once again I am disappointed at the attack of the president on "sites" on the internet about the so called experts after the fact.

It is 2009 and the internet means that people are able to express their opinions in an open forum. That includes racers, their support crews and spectators. Is it bad? Maybe? But a lot of the volunteers in the form of marshalls also frequent these websites.

These sites also provide funding support, spectator support and free advertising. I will put my neck out and say I thought this report was pretty poor taste.

I have not seen the report ( and nor am I really interested ) but Chris Costello has as much right to express his opinions as anyone else by whatever form of media. My 2 cents worth is that forums can effectively act as kangaroo courts where you are tried, found guilty and executed. Very often without the poor sod having any knowledge of the act.
To demonstrate just what a sad country we have become in recent years I wrote a letter to my local newspaper midway through last year expressing my distaste at the then Government and supporting National party policy. Some less than enlightened soul very emotively wrote in suggesting that comments such as mine should be muzzled,the editor put him in his place and reminded him that we live in a democracy.
Forums such as this very often bring out the very worst emotional nonsense in people, fact.

[jrandom]

Chris Costello has as much right to express his opinions as anyone else by whatever form of media

Thereby giving us all the opportunity to form an impression of him as a pompous, whining old twat.

Ain't it funny how those who are hung in the court of public opinion generally provide their own rope?


Forums such as this very often bring out the very worst emotional nonsense in people, fact.

And yet in this case, forums such as this allowed racers who would otherwise have been voiceless to speak out publicly about grossly unfair and unprofessional treatment by race organisers.

And their voices were heard, and those organisers fucked off. Top result!

If the organisers had had any real excuse for what they did, they had just as much opportunity to defend themselves in public as anyone did to criticise them. But they didn't do that, did they?

[Robert Taylor]

Thereby giving us all the opportunity to form an impression of him as a pompous, whining old twat.

Ain't it funny how those who are hung in the court of public opinion generally provide their own rope?



And yet in this case, forums such as this allowed racers who would otherwise have been voiceless to speak out publicly about grossly unfair and unprofessional treatment by race organisers.

And their voices were heard, and those organisers fucked off. Top result!

If the organisers had had any real excuse for what they did, they had just as much opportunity to defend themselves in public as anyone did to criticise them. But they didn't do that, did they?

Well then, you have more than adequately reinforced the points I made that forums bring out the very worst in people. Its amazing that anyone is prepared to stick their hand up and organise anything given the foul mouthed emotive demeanour of so many.

[Kickaha]

Thereby giving us all the opportunity to form an impression of him as a pompous, whining old twat.

Ain't it funny how those who are hung in the court of public opinion generally provide their own rope?



And yet in this case, forums such as this allowed racers who would otherwise have been voiceless to speak out publicly about grossly unfair and unprofessional treatment by race organisers.

And their voices were heard, and those organisers fucked off. Top result!

If the organisers had had any real excuse for what they did, they had just as much opportunity to defend themselves in public as anyone did to criticise them. But they didn't do that, did they?

And if it happens enough times we'll be lucky to have anyone left who'll even attempt to run these meetings, because as we all know any internet knob can do it better

It wasn't a problem with the organisers, it was a MNZ offical who said one thing and then did another

[MarkW]

Interesting.

The original post refers to one sentence - part of a five sentence paragraph and the content of Chris Costello's report that relates to Wanganui (both this and last years events) runs to two paragraphs or half of the total report.

The sentence used in the post has, in my opinion, been quoted on this forum completely out of context.

I am also a volunteer in the motorcycle world, and have been for many many years at a level far higher than most people get to.

I have looked at a number of different websites over the years and I tend to agree with Chris that on many websites the speculation, innuendo and general bashing that goes on does little to progress motorcycling in general and motorcycle sport in particular.

I supply voluntary services to some of the members who frequent this site. In less than 9 months I have received, via this website, on line criticism from members who haven't even had the courtesy or courage to talk to me directly, face to face or via any electronic means prior to their posting. Instead posters hide behind a web name and say whatever they like whenever they like.

As a volunteer I have one major advantage over all of the posters who like to give anyone/everyone a hard time without first having giving the recipient of the hard time a chance to discuss or redress the situation.

I don't have to be a volunteer at all. So if I stop volunteering will the poster step in and do a better job? Unfortunately, in the vast majority of cases. NO.

Having attended a larger number of AMCC Annual General Meetings than most people the paucity of volunteers willing to offer their services to serve on the Club Committee is standard.

So, to the poster who advises that the AMCC newsletter is out of the 70's, I look forward to you offering your services, free, to collate, print and mail 11 newsletters a year to the 350 odd recipients in a style that will bring the AMCC newsletter into the year 2009. The Club happily pays the printing and postage costs.

Criticism to be useful, needs to be CONstructive. The vast majority of criticism on websites and generally is DEstructive. It's no good telling someone that what they are doing is wrong if you haven't first come up with a better way to do it. In my opinion, it's even worse doing it anonymously.

Mark Waters
Life Member - Auckland Motorcycle Club Inc
Instructor - NASS
Retired FIM graded Steward, FIM graded Clerk of the Course and MNZ Safety Commissioner plus just about every position possible below these.

[SixPackBack]

"Its amazing that anyone is prepared to stick their hand up and organise anything given the amount of money that can be made from a properly run and promoted event."

From a casual observation point [and sarcasm duly noted] motorcycle sport in N.Z seems to be run by an organisational capability and characters last seen in the 70's. Getting rid of 'enthusiasts' and employing professional management focused on taking the sport forward is well over due. Big ups to those that do help out presently, but a change of guard is well over due.

[Squiggles]

If the organisers had had any real excuse for what they did, they had just as much opportunity to defend themselves in public as anyone did to criticise them. But they didn't do that, did they?

If by defending themselves publicly you mean posting on a forum, nobody wins from that... People can come along, bitch, whine, misquote or make purely false accusations... then fuck back off into cyberspace if it doesnt go their way.

Just as you claim street races to be profitable (ignoring the fact you said "stand to profit" as any venture is potentially profitable). This could easily blow out on the interweb with people wanting more prize money, better this and that, or claiming the event is mismanaged. All based on one mans belief, rather than fact.

[jrandom]

If by defending themselves publicly you mean posting on a forum, nobody wins from that...

I dunno. I'd say the motorbike racers won pretty good that way after Wanganui 2007.


People can come along, bitch, whine, misquote or make purely false accusations... then fuck back off into cyberspace if it doesnt go their way.

Dunno about you, but I'm not anonymous on here. Neither is White Trash, who started the original complaint thread, or MadDuck, who started this one... get the picture?

We're simply speaking in public, and anyone who doesn't stand behind what they say or can't justify it will get quickly laughed off stage.


Just as you claim street races to be profitable (ignoring the fact you said "stand to profit" as any venture is potentially profitable). This could easily blow out on the interweb with people wanting more prize money, better this and that, or claiming the event is mismanaged.

Um. I'm sorry, you're saying that publicly acknowledging the fact that race meetings attracting tens of thousands of paying spectators can be profitable might... what, make competitors want more prize money, or embolden people to complain about issues they experience at the event?

Perish the thought.

[The Stranger]

I have not seen the report ( and nor am I really interested ) but Chris Costello has as much right to express his opinions as anyone else by whatever form of media. My 2 cents worth is that forums can effectively act as kangaroo courts where you are tried, found guilty and executed. Very often without the poor sod having any knowledge of the act.
...
Forums such as this very often bring out the very worst emotional nonsense in people, fact.

Ok. But like it or not they are here and here to stay (in one form or another) so the old guard needs to learn to live and work with it. Ruing or disparaging Internet forums isn't going to "fix" them.
Transparency may help.

[scracha]

So, to the poster who advises that the AMCC newsletter is out of the 70's, I look forward to you offering your services, free, to collate, print and mail 11 newsletters a year to the 350 odd recipients in a style that will bring the AMCC newsletter into the year 2009. The Club happily pays the printing and postage costs.


Public forum rants aside, here's something constructive. Have a couple of little tick boxes on the membership form to opt in to having emails and/or printed newsletters. Hell, charge an extra ten bucks membership for those that still want printed newsletters. I'm sure most would be happy to read it on a webbysite or have it emailed. I'm sure the poor sod(s) who spend a day printing off and folding newsletters would like this idea too.

[FROSTY]

I don't have to be a volunteer at all. So if I stop volunteering will the poster step in and do a better job? Unfortunately, in the vast majority of cases. NO.
Criticism to be useful, needs to be CONstructive. The vast majority of criticism on websites and generally is DEstructive. It's no good telling someone that what they are doing is wrong if you haven't first come up with a better way to do it. In my opinion, it's even worse doing it anonymously..

Mark
You know me as does Chris so no hiding behind Internet nicknames here.
You make a BLOODY FANTASTIC point Ie Unless you are prepared to step up and offer your BETTER services then why have a go at the guys who do.Without the guys running the place there would be no meeting to bitch about.
However you might want to concider it could be time to so to speak put ya neck on the "chopping block"
I'm clearly several hundred events behind you guys n gals as far as numbers oif events organised but I always ask for feedback from the people who attended the ones I do organise
Yea you get some stupid comments but on the whole the result has been constant improvement. Incidently some of the constructive feedback has been from Mr Costello himself.
Also Re Newsletter-A suggestion. On this very forum theres a shit load of VERY computer literate people, I bet the AMCC webpage could be so revitalised and updated that the ol paper letter would be a thing of the past.
All Im saying is ya might be throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
There are people who probably would and indeed HAVE assited with events run by the various clubs as a DIRECT result of this website.

[FROSTY]

Dunno about you, but I'm not anonymous on here. Neither is White Trash, who started the original complaint thread, or MadDuck, who started this one... get the picture?
He does have a valid point though dude.
Me I'm Frosty In real life as well as on forums. Not having a go at You but you could walk up to Mr Waterer and have and indepth conversation with him -he would have no clue you were J random. Er if ya get what Im sayin.No actual link to real life.
A thought might be AMCC having their own Forum -r4eal names only for feedback.

[GIXser]

The quality of their news letter speaks volumes about the level of professionalism and engagement AMCC displays. It might have been appropriate in 1979, but seriously a 16 year old could whip something up more interesting.


exactly dude....

[Robert Taylor]

Why alter what someone else is saying and imply that he said it ... that is extremely deceitful ... and also underhanded ... something which you may be good at ... but that is I think to others on the site ... dishonest ...

But then again ... it is you .. so should we expect anything different.

IT IS NOT WHAT HE SAID >>> SO WHY ALTER IT!

Thanks for the support, its a very very low thing to deliberately misquote. What else gets deliberately falsified or twisted to satisfy a perverse ego?
Thank god we largely have many good people of stable character running motorcycle events, it cant be easy and its certainly not a license to print money. I salute the efforts of the many unpaid people around the country who devote their free time to do so.

[White trash]

Interesting.

The original post refers to one sentence - part of a five sentence paragraph and the content of Chris Costello's report that relates to Wanganui (both this and last years events) runs to two paragraphs or half of the total report.

The sentence used in the post has, in my opinion, been quoted on this forum completely out of context.

I am also a volunteer in the motorcycle world, and have been for many many years at a level far higher than most people get to.

I have looked at a number of different websites over the years and I tend to agree with Chris that on many websites the speculation, innuendo and general bashing that goes on does little to progress motorcycling in general and motorcycle sport in particular.

I supply voluntary services to some of the members who frequent this site. In less than 9 months I have received, via this website, on line criticism from members who haven't even had the courtesy or courage to talk to me directly, face to face or via any electronic means prior to their posting. Instead posters hide behind a web name and say whatever they like whenever they like.

As a volunteer I have one major advantage over all of the posters who like to give anyone/everyone a hard time without first having giving the recipient of the hard time a chance to discuss or redress the situation.

I don't have to be a volunteer at all. So if I stop volunteering will the poster step in and do a better job? Unfortunately, in the vast majority of cases. NO.

Having attended a larger number of AMCC Annual General Meetings than most people the paucity of volunteers willing to offer their services to serve on the Club Committee is standard.

So, to the poster who advises that the AMCC newsletter is out of the 70's, I look forward to you offering your services, free, to collate, print and mail 11 newsletters a year to the 350 odd recipients in a style that will bring the AMCC newsletter into the year 2009. The Club happily pays the printing and postage costs.

Criticism to be useful, needs to be CONstructive. The vast majority of criticism on websites and generally is DEstructive. It's no good telling someone that what they are doing is wrong if you haven't first come up with a better way to do it. In my opinion, it's even worse doing it anonymously.

Mark Waters
Life Member - Auckland Motorcycle Club Inc
Instructor - NASS
Retired FIM graded Steward, FIM graded Clerk of the Course and MNZ Safety Commissioner plus just about every position possible below these.

Ahaa, exactly who's input I'd like to hear. Someone involved in both sides of the spectrum. Thank you Mark.

Chris knows me, and my partner Sue. He turned up here on a scooter to offer his congratulations when our son was born. He's made no bones as to his dislike of forums, especialy this one. I on the other hend venemously defend them. Let's have some facts, shall we?

Firstly. Nothing is "printed" on KB. To sugest so implies this is a publication with (of some description) an editor being ultimately responsible for what's "printed". KB is a forum. A forum is a medium through which each and every participant can voice their opinion. And herein lies the difference.

Kiwibiker represents the LARGEST cross section of different motorcyclists opinions in New Zealand. It is one of the largest online motorcycle forums in the world, the majority of its contributors being kiwi. Surely it makes very simple sense, as a commitee member of a motorcycle club, to see what public opinion is, rather than rubish an entire website and claim its contributors are all "riders with no talent who are experts after the fact and contribute nothing back to the sport other than bitch online on how they could do better"?

In relation to the shit stirred up over Cemetary '07, I stand by my opinion and still feel hard done by. Am I happy the organiser bowed out and feels shit? Hell no. The man obviously put his heart into the event and did more than I could hope to accomplish. However, someone needs to be accountable for a SERIOUS balls up in organization on that day and as the main man, if he couldn't even be bothered to respond to concerns, who is? Stepping down is one thing, to blame stepping down on "crap printed on various websites" which you had as much oportunity to respond to as twelve thousand other contributors, is a cop out. Sorry.

They all have my name, email address, phone number and home address. As do MNZ. I'm STILL (13 months later) awaiting a response from my formal enquiries sent to Wnaganui Cemetary Circuit 2007 and Motorcycling New Zealand.

(Sorry Paul P. "Got your email. Don't call us, well call you" is NOT a response)

Jimmy Mair.
(Ex) Superbike No.20

ps. Mark. You could possibly point out that a good number of volunteers at AMCC events are directly recruited from this very website. I'll name names with peoples permission if proof is required

[White trash]

Thanks for the support, its a very very low thing to deliberately misquote. What else gets deliberately falsified or twisted to satisfy a perverse ego?
Thank god we largely have many good people of stable character running motorcycle events, it cant be easy and its certainly not a license to print money. I salute the efforts of the many unpaid people around the country who devote their free time to do so.
So do I Robert. Especially the folk that run the huge events that are street events.

However, you know what happened that very day. Let's hold no one accountable, let's name no names.

Was it right?

Was it wrong?

[White trash]

Sorry. Just one more very major point.

I support AMCC and VMCC one hundred fucken percent. There is, without a doubt in my mind, no way the issues (and they aren't even the issue any more) encountered on that day would have occured had either of those comittees been in the drivers seat. They are both stand up clubs who are amongst the most active in New Zealand and offer the best returns for their members each and every year. My hats off to them.

[SixPackBack]

So, to the poster who advises that the AMCC newsletter is out of the 70's, I look forward to you offering your services, free, to collate, print and mail 11 newsletters a year to the 350 odd recipients in a style that will bring the AMCC newsletter into the year 2009. The Club happily pays the printing and postage costs.

Drop the amateur mind set. Gather what money you have to hire a kick arse promotional manager.

Motorcycle racing organisation needs to move away from 'bring a plate'

Andrew.

[White trash]

Drop the amateur mind set. Gather what money you have to hire a kick arse promotional manager.

Motorcycle racing organisation needs to move away from 'bring a plate'

Andrew.
C'mon Mark.

That's from one of your fellow volunteers.

Take it on board, print it out, show it to the comimtee. The people are speaking.

[malcy25]

Public forum rants aside, here's something constructive. Have a couple of little tick boxes on the membership form to opt in to having emails and/or printed newsletters. Hell, charge an extra ten bucks membership for those that still want printed newsletters. I'm sure most would be happy to read it on a webbysite or have it emailed. I'm sure the poor sod(s) who spend a day printing off and folding newsletters would like this idea too.

I believe the newsletter has been provided online for the last few years for those that want it.


Ok. But like it or not they are here and here to stay (in one form or another) so the old guard needs to learn to live and work with it. Ruing or disparaging Internet forums isn't going to "fix" them.
Transparency may help.

They may well be here to stay, but I'd not be surprised if most organisations "officially" ignore most forums that relate to them, given the un or misinformed posts that follow the original and the general "me too" beat up that follows. Many times which is then accepted as gospel... it's all just chinese whispers many times and I've seen some utter shit spouted here and elsewhere.

The "old guard" is quite often only there because the "new guard" won't step up to the plate.

My logical view is, if you have a problem with an organisation, tell them, by all means tell everyone else if you care, but tell the people that need to know directly. But just posting on a forum is like shouting at you partner 1/2 a mile away and then bitching when they don't here you.


Its funny really....the fact that the 'presidents report' was actually a 'slip in' added in later....must have been away on holiday somewhere and couldn't email it in to the printer (due to lack of internet ;-)) on time so probably wrote it on a serviette at a cafe somewhere and posted it in snail mail....then they typed it out on a typewriter and photocopied it just in time to slip it in! :buggerd: And your point is? Seems like that's he's not allowed a holiday, family time or allowed to work for a living...so he can do this upaid work so the riders can get their jollies. Are you his teacher or Mother? He got it in. Who cares.


Drop the amateur mind set. Gather what money you have to hire a kick arse promotional manager.

Motorcycle racing organisation needs to move away from 'bring a plate'

Andrew.

Couldn't agree more. BUT, what many people probably are not aware is that I believe this was tried not that long ago and the promotor backed out because (as I understand it) they couldn't get a return out of it. Their costs need to come from somewhere and there are few if any clubs who have the resources (even the bigger ones like AMCC etc) that have the resources to fund them (and that money has to come from "somewhere". And for all you people who say, they should be self funding, refer sentence one of this paragraph....Though if the membership fees were lifted to $300 a year that might change, as would the membership elsewhere and give riders something else to bitch about!

[Biggles08]

And your point is? Seems like that's he's not allowed a holiday, family time or allowed to work for a living...so he can do this upaid work so the riders can get their jollies. Are you his teacher or Mother? He got it in. Who cares.

Really???? you got all that from my post??? wow...

I'm sure most people who read it understood the irony intended in the fact that it was so...umm... to quote a previous observation...70's!

If I was his teacher I would send him to the back of the class because he doesn't listen....I have attended a club night recently and talked to Chris regarding my thoughts on how to 'improve for the better' a recent race day I attended...I was confronted with a bombardment of pathetic excuses of why they couldn't be done (I suggested transponders become mandatory)!

When I explained that it was done at PMCC that way and worked brilliantly I was further bombarded with why the AMCC was a far better club than PMCC.

Interesting really wouldn't you say malcy25???:yes:

[malcy25]

Sorry. Just one more very major point.

I support AMCC and VMCC one hundred fucken percent. There is, without a doubt in my mind, no way the issues (and they aren't even the issue any more) encountered on that day would have occured had either of those comittees been in the drivers seat. They are both stand up clubs who are amongst the most active in New Zealand and offer the best returns for their members each and every year. My hats off to them.

Trashie

I'm sure the AMCC and VMCC committees will appreciate the support and confidence vote. I'm sure much of what they do goes unnoticed by many and even bagged by some. Onya mate for standing up and penning (keyboarding!?) it.

PS, I'm not on either committee!!

[malcy25]

Really???? you got all that from my post??? wow...

I'm sure most people who read it understood the irony intended in the fact that it was so...umm... to quote a previous observation...70's!

If I was his teacher I would send him to the back of the class because he doesn't listen....I have attended a club night recently and talked to Chris regarding my thoughts on how to 'improve for the better' a recent race day I attended...I was confronted with a bombardment of pathetic excuses of why they couldn't be done (I suggested transponders become mandatory)!

When I explained that it was done at PMCC that way and worked brilliantly I was further bombarded with why the AMCC was a far better club than PMCC.

Interesting really wouldn't you say malcy25???:yes:

Biggles:
1) Yes, I got that, it wasn't hard.
2) I've ridden and raced all over the country and even other countries and I can say that when I attend an AMCC run event, because of the people behind the scenes, I don't have concerns over safety like I've had at many other events. You may scoff (and in deed most likely will), but I have seen them at work when the shit has hit the fan due to accidents that were "random bad shit" and they are sharper than you would ever know.
3) Who cares what decade you view it coming from, I'm sure the english laguage was invented even back then (and new doesn't always mean better). Remember, He stands and up and "Does" and not just "talk" like the majority.

nah, actually I can't be bothered writing any more because it's not actually worth the energy expenditure, little as it may be. :yawn:

[Biggles08]

Biggles:
1) Yes, I got that, it wasn't hard.
2) I've ridden and raced all over the country and even other countries and I can say that when I attend an AMCC run event, because of the people behind the scenes, I don't have concerns over safety like I've had at many other events. You may scoff (and in deed most likely will), but I have seen them at work when the shit has hit the fan due to accidents that were "random bad shit" and they are sharper than you would ever know.
3) Who cares what decade you view it coming from, I'm sure the english laguage was invented even back then (and new doesn't always mean better). Remember, He stands and up and "Does" and not just "talk" like the majority.

nah, actually I can't be bothered writing any more because it's not actually worth the energy expenditure, little as it may be. :yawn:

Wow...dude...I push your button huh?? Back down off your high horse and try and see the picture I'm painting. I never got personal in my post merely pointed out my opinion of actual events I have encountered PERSONALLY.

You sound like you are one of the 'old boys mentality' and need to defend what isn't actually being attacked! Nothing stays still my small minded friend....times change and so should methods. I have made what I consider a relevant point DIRECTLY to the AMCC president and was left feeling less than satisfied with the response I received FOR MY EFFORT! Yes that's right MY EFFORT!

Sure there are loads of people giving up their time to run events for us punters and don't misunderstand me, I'm grateful for that fact BUT...I have suggestions as to how that time could be more effective, relevant and successful and I'm laughed out of the room???? (figuratively speaking of course). That attitude sux! I am in fact in the greater scheme of things the customer (as all members of AMCC are)....I also get a choice as to where I spend my hard earned cash...if the service sux, I'll end up going elsewhere! Remember the old addage, on average one disatisfied customers will tell 11 other people about their bad experiences....at least I tried to inform them about it first huh?! :wacko:

[The Stranger]

They may well be here to stay, but I'd not be surprised if most organisations "officially" ignore most forums that relate to them, given the un or misinformed posts that follow the original and the general "me too" beat up that follows. Many times which is then accepted as gospel... it's all just chinese whispers many times and I've seen some utter shit spouted here and elsewhere.

The "old guard" is quite often only there because the "new guard" won't step up to the plate.

My logical view is, if you have a problem with an organisation, tell them, by all means tell everyone else if you care, but tell the people that need to know directly. But just posting on a forum is like shouting at you partner 1/2 a mile away and then bitching when they don't here you.


Your ideals are not in question, yet here we are. The prez is pissed and someone spat the dummy and retired. We have already seen the effect of an organisation choosing to ignore a forum that relates to them.
How do you feel that went for them?

[SixPackBack]

Couldn't agree more. BUT, what many people probably are not aware is that I believe this was tried not that long ago and the promotor backed out because (as I understand it) they couldn't get a return out of it. Their costs need to come from somewhere and there are few if any clubs who have the resources (even the bigger ones like AMCC etc) that have the resources to fund them (and that money has to come from "somewhere". And for all you people who say, they should be self funding, refer sentence one of this paragraph....Though if the membership fees were lifted to $300 a year that might change, as would the membership elsewhere and give riders something else to bitch about!

One individual was hired-failed, and it was put in the too hard basket. Handed back no doubt to the old cronnies who ran it before?.......FAIL!......all sounds very convenient, it also sounds like very little effort was put into revamping the archaic motorcycle racing scene.

The riders bitch as does the viewing public because as is repeated infinitum drastic change is needed. When constructive criticism is given claims of 'bagging and whinging' are leveled, or as one racer pointed out being figuratively laughed out of the room!?

Road and track racing in NZ could be so much better, but I fear that until some of the major players within AMCC either retire or die we will be stuck in 'post classics'

[scracha]

I believe the newsletter has been provided online for the last few years for those that want it.


My point was to save time and money by having the newsletter as an "opt in".

[Cajun]

My point was to save time and money by having the newsletter as an "opt in".

just a note on this, they Tauranga Ulysses club has there news letter done via email, think its somewhere around 150 members in tauranga branch, of that 100 receive this in email format only. And ulysses as you know are 40+ there are many members in there 60's & 70 who get it via email.

[MarkW]

Thank you to those who have made constructive suggestions as to how AMCC can improve the delivery of the newsletter and get their website improved. I will ensure that the suggestions are passed on to the AMCC Executive (I'm not on the Executive, having served my time) for them to implement.

Mark Waters

[The Stranger]

Thank you to those who have made constructive suggestions as to how AMCC can improve the delivery of the newsletter and get their website improved. I will ensure that the suggestions are passed on to the AMCC Executive (I'm not on the Executive, having served my time) for them to implement.

Mark Waters

I'm not a racer, nor an AMCC member.
I am however involved as a volunteer with BRONZ. We (BRONZ) comes in for a fair amount of criticism in Internet forums also.
You do what you can. You do it the best you can (given time and financial constraints etc). You can do no more than that, and in that regard I rest easy.

But one thing you do get is an honest opinion. It may not be what you wanted to hear, but it is what people are thinking. That really is gold. Few people are brutally honest in real life, no one tells you your arse is fat in that. They will on the Internet.

[FROSTY]

So much is done out of goodwill in our sport and others but you still get knocked for it.
Robert I agree with you. It is though a double edged sword.
I apreciate that pukekohe track is a total logistical nightmare to run a race meeting at but as noted above some suggestions made over the years have been waved aside.
That in itself you think "hey its their sandpit they set the rules" and quite rightly so.
What unwanted side effect it has definitely had is to discourage people from stepping up to the plate and offer to help run meetings or the club itself. That increases pressure on the poor sods who are running it.
Yes perhaps the people making the suggestion should HTFU but isn't that your very point . Why bother offering to help if your opinion /suggestion doesn't seem to matter ?

[Deano]

Did MNZ actually investigate what happened at Wanganui, cause I understand that a complaint was made to them, being the overriding body ?

If so, what were the findings ? As paying members I reckon complaints of this nature and the investigation/conclusion from MNZ should be public knowledge shouldn't it ?

I may be wrong but wasn't it alleged that rules were changed mid way through a meeting without any notification to racers or the racers rep - resulting in qualifying positions being changed - pretty serious stuff I would have thought ?

[Deano]

That in itself you think "hey its their sandpit they set the rules" and quite rightly so.


When you pay to play in that sandpit, then I think you have the right to expect that the conditions of agreement (Ie a legally binding contract) will be upheld, and not changed half way through at someones whim or discretion.

Unless it stated that could be the case in the aforementioned agreement ?

[Deano]

Re - use of internet for stating claims/complaints etc.

Isn't this better than word of mouth gossip and chinese whispers ?

At least the claim is written for all to see and can be countered by the relevant party. Not so when it is verbal only.

[FROSTY]

When you pay to play in that sandpit, then I think you have the right to expect that the conditions of agreement (Ie a legally binding contract) will be upheld, and not changed half way through at someones whim or discretion.

Unless it stated that could be the case in the aforementioned agreement ?
Sorry mate maybee it was me off topic but Im refering to any meeting held at pukie not to the 07 wangas meeting.

[FROSTY]

This being anonymous thing I can see it has disadvantages if ones comments/suggestions are to be taken seriously.
My earlier comment about asking for and recieving feedback from KBers when I run an event . This is true and the feedback is Bloody brilliant.
I though have the HUGE advantage over AMCC senior management of knowing most if not all of the participants in real life and mostly by their online names.
Mr Costello and his fellow AMCC management don't have that advantage.
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Of course there is a flip side to this and perhaps one they have not concidered.
If John James Bloggs walks up to Mr Costello to offer CONSTRUCTIVE criticism/suggestions there is a real fear of being rediculed, of being given somewhat of a hard time indeed of being labled a trouble maker.with all the fallout from that
By presenting that same suggestion online as JBB for example there isn't the same fear so perhaps as a result a person is more ready to offer these suggestions which may benifit the club in the long term.
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Dare I suggest that perhaps again we have the classic double edged sword.
Yes indeed AMCC has a VERY experienced committee who know exactly what needs to be done to run a meeting.
But that very experience can be a disadvantage when it comes to improvements. Someone seeing the situation through new eyes might see something where an experienced person may not notice an issue any more

[Clivoris]

One of the issues that I find difficult with helping to organise race meetings is dealing with the number of "ideas" that people have about how to do things better. The number of people that actually front up and provide the effort required to make their ideas happen are few and far between. Then they can sit back and moan about how crap everything is. Another version of this is those who turn up once or twice expecting to revolutionise things without taking time to learn why things happen the way they do currently. When they aren't put in charge on the second day, we're shit and they're gone. Like most things in life, we have evolved over time with good reason for how things are. It helps when people take time to learn some of the history, and get some experience to put things in perspective. This also gets "difficult" people willing to take risks and can help evolution continue. We don't have huge financial resources and mistakes need to be avoided. At VMCC we are lucky to have a President who has been with the club for a while and he saves us making a heap of mistakes. He is also willing to make changes as required.
This forum has also provided a large number of the current active committee members and volunteers for VMCC, so no complaints there from me. They are the bloody backbone of the committee and volunteers now. I don't think we would have the Actrix Winter Series without them.

[FROSTY]

One of the issues that I find difficult with helping to organise race meetings is dealing with the number of "ideas" that people have about how to do things better. The number of people that actually front up and provide the effort required to make their ideas happen are few and far between. Then they can sit back and moan about how crap everything is. Another version of this is those who turn up once or twice expecting to revolutionise things without taking time to learn why things happen the way they do currently. When they aren't put in charge on the second day, we're shit and they're gone. Like most things in life, we have evolved over time with good reason for how things are. It helps when people take time to learn some of the history, and get some experience to put things in perspective. This also gets "difficult" people willing to take risks and can help evolution continue. We don't have huge financial resources and mistakes need to be avoided. At VMCC we are lucky to have a President who has been with the club for a while and he saves us making a heap of mistakes. He is also willing to make changes as required.
This forum has also provided a large number of the current active committee members and volunteers for VMCC, so no complaints there from me. They are the bloody backbone of the committee and volunteers now. I don't think we would have the Actrix Winter Series without them.
So would it be fair to summerise- Guys front up or shut up---and a fair few KBers have done just that?

[Clivoris]

So would it be fair to summerise- Guys front up or shut up---and a fair few KBers have done just that?

No and yes. I think a fairer summary is, continue to put ideas up but be prepared to accept that those of us involved are pretty maxed-out just doing what we are currently. Don't be suprised when suggestions for new jobs to do, just slide off those already doing the work. Ideas are good though because when we get a breather, it may be possible to put them in place. And things could always be better. Sometimes new ideas will take time to be taken up by "the old guard", but if we want it bad enough it might mean working away at them from a collaborative position rather than throwing fruit from the sidelines. I'm realistic enough to know that this isn't always possible though, and a shit-deal is a shit-deal, but slagging people off is guaranteed to put them in a non-cooperative frame. Work smart and hard.

KBers have fronted up in the past and continue to do so.

[Clivoris]

The only suggestion I have is that the club nights be held in the Newlands pub - What do you say AJ - Clive :)


I suspect that something like this would be quite popular wharfy. Get down there and ask them what they would think about holding our committee meeting there 3rd tuesday every month. 6.30 committee meeting then 7.30 for the social side. It would work even better if they have a space where we could play DVD's. The social side of things has atrophied lately.
Thanks for the support.

[race slave]

I have not seen the report ( and nor am I really interested ) but Chris Costello has as much right to express his opinions as anyone else by whatever form of media. My 2 cents worth is that forums can effectively act as kangaroo courts where you are tried, found guilty and executed. Very often without the poor sod having any knowledge of the act.
To demonstrate just what a sad country we have become in recent years I wrote a letter to my local newspaper midway through last year expressing my distaste at the then Government and supporting National party policy. Some less than enlightened soul very emotively wrote in suggesting that comments such as mine should be muzzled,the editor put him in his place and reminded him that we live in a democracy.
Forums such as this very often bring out the very worst emotional nonsense in people, fact.
As usual r taylor has his own overopinionated version on everything, as for your version of the TNL editor putting anyboby in their place that only proved that he is as big a redneck as yourself, if you took the time to read your own drivel you may realise you do not have even the faintest clue to the meaning of democracy.

[White trash]

OK.

Just had a good legthy discussion with the esteemed Mr Costello regarding the (original) issue raised in this thread.

Am Tony has already theorised, Chris had absolutely no idea what went down over a year ago, mearly that the sport has lost another "hands on" man when it comes to the organizing of these extremely time consuming events. We are, as racers and race fans, very lucky there were others in this instance willing to step up to the plate and they certainly excelled thankfully.

He also confirmed that as far as the people having a winge on here about AMCC or more importantly his methods as club president, we are largely annonoymous. Who the hell's going to listen to someone wih no name? I'm inclined to aggree with these sentiments. An option for us that can "do better" is to stand for commitee positions. At least when Chris publishes his very public (and sometimes unpopular)opinions, it has his name at the bottom of the report.

Clives above post regarding people with the best intentions were very much echoed.

That got me thinking a bit about how much I offer my favorite sport also, having taken so much advantage of the good will offered by others over the past couple of years. So I volunteered and my skills will be utilized at the Pukekohe round of the nationals in three or four weeks. This is in adidition to crewing for LG Motorsport at Manfeild, Paeroa and Puke.

[FROSTY]

No and yes. I think a fairer summary is, continue to put ideas up but be prepared to accept that those of us involved are pretty maxed-out just doing what we are currently.
Again mate Im running with an idea here mate -
Rather than harry some poor sod on race day -
( For the record this is the very WORST time to talk to anyone in power in any motorace organisation.)
Why not put it in wrighting ?
Hang on why not type it on on a computer and send it to the club website??

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[Clivoris]

Again mate Im running with an idea here mate -
Rather than harry some poor sod on race day -
( For the record this is the very WORST time to talk to anyone in power in any motorace organisation.)
Why not put it in wrighting ?
Hang on why not type it on on a computer and send it to the club website??

__________________________________________________ ______
Good idea.
Letters to the editor of the oily rag will be published and discussed. The contact details for this and committee members are on the website. And very often, things that get discussed on here filter back to the committee as well.

[Robert Taylor]

As usual r taylor has his own overopinionated version on everything, as for your version of the TNL editor putting anyboby in their place that only proved that he is as big a redneck as yourself, if you took the time to read your own drivel you may realise you do not have even the faintest clue to the meaning of democracy.

That may be your opinion but at least Im not sniping and hiding behind the mask of a forum name. The TNL editor correctly intimated that everyone is allowed a voice so I fail to see how the term redneck can apply. Am I also a redneck because I voiced support for the AMCC president who may have been unfairly maligned? Or because I objected to a prolific forum whores low standards of conduct?
Everyone is allowed a voice re how race meetings are conducted but without recourse to very bad standards, misquoting etc. Now please let me return to earning an honest days living.

[race slave]

That may be your opinion but at least Im not sniping and hiding behind the mask of a forum name. The TNL editor correctly intimated that everyone is allowed a voice so I fail to see how the term redneck can apply. Am I also a redneck because I voiced support for the AMCC president who may have been unfairly maligned? Or because I objected to a prolific forum whores low standards of conduct?
Everyone is allowed a voice re how race meetings are conducted but without recourse to very bad standards, misquoting etc. Now please let me return to earning an honest days living.
How heroic, no medal though

[Storeman]

How heroic, no medal though

His hero Rob Muldoon may have given him one during "THINK BIG" ;)

[The Stranger]

That may be your opinion but at least Im not sniping and hiding behind the mask of a forum name.

For gods sake get over yourself.
There are numerous sound reasons for a degree of anonymity.
I challenge you to find one comment or post of mine in which I have lied or told a mistruth.
I have had people on, wound people up and used sarcasm from time to time - that is not lies.

History survives on the Internet long long after you may want it to. I have put far more truth on here than I would have been prepared to if my name was available to all on the Internet - IRD, potential and future employers, Police, the media and anyone else who would seek to use that truth against me.

You have no idea what shape or form the government will take in the future and when or where information will be used by a dictator (or what ever) against you. It's not paranoia - but prudent avoidance.

A huge amount of my medical history is available on the Internet. Google is a powerful tool. I don't want future employment prejudiced because I made it easy for the employer to join the dots.

When young we all did some stupid shit. We all grow up. In your previous world old man these things usually got buried. Thanks to the Internet what you say or do will be recorded for a very loooong time.

You may notice I don't advertise the bikes I own either.
At least 2 people on here have had insurance claims denied due to posts on here, irrespective of the truth of the situation.
Anonymity may help should I find myself in a similar situation. Again prudent avoidance - it's happened twice that I know of.

Now sure you may disagree with most or all of that, but in short stiff shit. That is the way it is, get used to it and move on, because it isn't changing just for you.

[Robert Taylor]

His hero Rob Muldoon may have given him one during "THINK BIG" ;)

Sorry to take you guys away from reading ''the life and times of Chairman Mao'' And maybe you eagerly await H Duynhovens forthcoming autobiography ''All political careers end in failure'' ( Actually a decent guy but he is one of them )
Notably, a number who have posted on this thread have recognised that those who are involved in organising meetings certainly dont have it easy. For heavens sake we have only 4 million people and only a tiny percentage road race motorcycles. It is very difficult to have all the trappings of the western world and have the full infrastructure to support it. As if running a meeting is not enough of a burden in itself they then have to often run the gauntlet of kangaroo courts on forums. That is not to say there is an excuse for blatant incompetence.
Hampton Downs will be a case in point. It has so many corners and elevation changes that it will require LOTs of corner marshals. Where will they all come from and how will the cost be shared? I hear all the time grizzling about entry fees.

[Robert Taylor]

For gods sake get over yourself.
There are numerous sound reasons for a degree of anonymity.
I challenge you to find one comment or post of mine in which I have lied or told a mistruth.
I have had people on, wound people up and used sarcasm from time to time - that is not lies.

History survives on the Internet long long after you may want it to. I have put far more truth on here than I would have been prepared to if my name was available to all on the Internet - IRD, potential and future employers, Police, the media and anyone else who would seek to use that truth against me.

You have no idea what shape or form the government will take in the future and when or where information will be used by a dictator (or what ever) against you. It's not paranoia - but prudent avoidance.

A huge amount of my medical history is available on the Internet. Google is a powerful tool. I don't want future employment prejudiced because I made it easy for the employer to join the dots.

When young we all did some stupid shit. We all grow up. In your previous world old man these things usually got buried. Thanks to the Internet what you say or do will be recorded for a very loooong time.

You may notice I don't advertise the bikes I own either.
At least 2 people on here have had insurance claims denied due to posts on here, irrespective of the truth of the situation.
Anonymity may help should I find myself in a similar situation. Again prudent avoidance - it's happened twice that I know of.

Now sure you may disagree with most or all of that, but in short stiff shit. That is the way it is, get used to it and move on, because it isn't changing just for you.

What I object to is not the ''level'' of what you have intimated so much. Its the downright nasty stuff that happens where you think if the guy has the courage of his convictions he should own up directly to who he is.
When someone phones me and doesnt say who it is ( or there is no etiquette of greeting ) then yes, I also find that rude. Maybe thats old fashioned but we do seem to be less well mannered than several decades ago.
That has been evident in several post on this thread.

[MadDuck]

Hampton Downs will be a case in point. It has so many corners and elevation changes that it will require LOTs of corner marshals. Where will they all come from and how will the cost be shared? I hear all the time grizzling about entry fees.

Perhaps the organisers could approach an "evil" website full of motorcycle enthusiasts for volunteers.

As for the anonymity issue raised... I dont hide who I am.

[Robert Taylor]

Perhaps the organisers could approach an "evil" website full of motorcycle enthusiasts for volunteers.

As for the anonymity issue raised... I dont hide who I am.

There is an ''evil'' element if you like, but they give the many good people who frequent this forum a bad name. And I think most will have interpreted my comments about anonymity as nothing more ''sinister'' or deriding than what I clarified in my immediate last post. The Stranger also made fair points.

So whats the solution for adequate marshal numbers at a circuit like Hampton Downs?

[MadDuck]

So whats the solution for adequate marshal numbers at a circuit like Hampton Downs?

To be honest I really dont know the answer to that because it will be a circuit (like you say) requiring large numbers of marshalls.

Is it best the organisers start asking for ideas and volunteers sooner rather than later before we suddenly get to "there is racing next week need volunteers" ?

[The Stranger]

There is an ''evil'' element if you like, but they give the many good people who frequent this forum a bad name. And I think most will have interpreted my comments about anonymity as nothing more ''sinister'' or deriding than what I clarified in my immediate last post.

Which of course brings us nicely back to the root of the issue.

Perception.

All I heard (repeatedly may I add) was "I am the way, the truth and the light because I occupy the moral high ground and there is no room for any of you anonymous people up here" personally I dispute this position, hence my reply. Your perception of your position as set out above was somewhat different obviously.

We get these misunderstandings with the written word.

It is your perception of (we'll say perhaps) jrandom's style of writing that you have chosen (as it is a choice) to be offended by. You could of course consider an alternate perception, choose not to be offended and instead consider the comments objectively. Evil is an emotive reaction and not objective.

In short. Lighten up dude.

[SixPackBack]

To be honest I really dont know the answer to that because it will be a circuit (like you say) requiring large numbers of marshalls.

Is it best the organisers start asking for ideas and volunteers sooner rather than later before we suddenly get to "there is racing next week need volunteers" ?

There never seems to be enough! I receive begging E-mails constantly close to two years after performing Marshalling duties, mostly these are last minute panic attempts to cover constant short falls........very few of us can afford the time and money required to Marshall.

You have to question the safety aspect of continually being low on volunteers and suffering high turn over!?....and question if perhaps another method of attracting and keeping semi-professional Marshall's needs to be instigated?...clearly limping from event to event in a constant state of crisis defies logic, yet we continue with 'bring a plate' mindset and 'fingers crossed'. Why is a broken system allowed to continue infinitum?

[FROSTY]

Something perhaps to concider robert is the very feedback Clivorus has given above.
I know for FACT that last time I raced at Pukie - (12 months ago) a fair number of marshalls were enlisted DIRECTLY via this very website.

[cowpoos]

A foolish man may be known by six things:

Anger without cause, speech without profit, change without progress, inquiry without object, putting trust in a stranger, and mistaking foes for friends.

[Shaun]

RT Asked

So whats the solution for adequate marshal numbers at a circuit like Hampton Downs?


PD crews! Tax payer goverment funded people:banana:

They can earn there bloody lunch for the tax payers, there is a prison very near buy the track, and prison is a place where WE are supposed to be helping people grow up and get a better life, perhaps the fun and challenge of being involved in motor sport might help change a few?

[Gremlin]

To be honest I really dont know the answer to that because it will be a circuit (like you say) requiring large numbers of marshalls.

Is it best the organisers start asking for ideas and volunteers sooner rather than later before we suddenly get to "there is racing next week need volunteers" ?
There has been quite a number of newer marshals come through recently, which are being placed with the more experienced ones, showing them the ropes, getting them used to radios etc. Yep, Hampton Downs will need more marshals, but I believe the track rental costs are high, so it won't be used for every club meet, and perhaps only the nationals next year... not sure.

Most of the AMCC meet dates were laid out prior to the commencement of the season via marshal email. Only Paeroa and March Nationals were not confirmed initially, so technically, there was a fair bit of advance notice given. When I got the email, I chucked the dates into my calendar.

There never seems to be enough! I receive begging E-mails constantly close to two years after performing Marshalling duties, mostly these are last minute panic attempts to cover constant short falls........very few of us can afford the time and money required to Marshall.
Well, to a degree, you can never have enough marshals. There is a bare minimum needed to safely cover the track (number varies depending on event), but if you have more, you can simply place more on each point. By the way, if you don't want the marshal emails, just ask Angela to remove you from the list?

I know for FACT that last time I raced at Pukie - (12 months ago) a fair number of marshalls were enlisted DIRECTLY via this very website.
I'm one :wavey:

[GSVR]

So whats the solution for adequate marshal numbers at a circuit like Hampton Downs?

Well for years racing was timed by employing people with stopwatchs and counting laps then transponders came along. I would put it to you that eventually we shall see automated mashalling systems that could work by detecting anomalies on and about the track that could be brought to the attention of the race controllers (plural) or just attended to by a Robomarshal.

Im surprised race tracks don't already have a centrally controlled light system for full course red situations rather radio handsets and flags.

Could be like traffic lights on each corner Red flashing, Orange flashing, and Green for all OK.

[Billy]

Well for years racing was timed by employing people with stopwatchs and counting laps then transponders came along. I would put it to you that eventually we shall see automated mashalling systems that could work by detecting anomalies on and about the track that could be brought to the attention of the race controllers (plural) or just attended to by a Robomarshal.

Im surprised race tracks don't already have a centrally controlled light system for full course red situations rather radio handsets and flags.

Could be like traffic lights on each corner Red flashing, Orange flashing, and Green for all OK.

Manfeild already has a light system in place but the Motorcycle clubs choose not to use it,Not sure how advanced it is but I know it has Orange/Red lights atleast

[Shaun]

Now there is an idea fresh outta the box!




Now all it neads is an OFFICUAL type person to start looking into it!!! Poke prod nudge nudge

I am sure the Ambo at the front door will get there attention

[Tony.OK]

Now all it neads is an OFFICUAL type person to start looking into it!!! Poke prod nudge nudge

I am sure the Ambo at the front door will get there attention

Sure as hell will stop alot of accidents at the track.............who wants to have their helmet and boots stolen while laying in pain:whistle:

[SixPackBack]

Costello is complaining again about websites and "people hiding behind names"

I quote from the March AMCC "Presidents report":

"I think that I hit a raw nerve with my last report about websites and the people that hide behind names. According to some people, the reason my report was late is that I was on holiday, I wish.,due to being sort staffed at work I was at work more than at home. But that's how it goes working for a Government department.

It has been pointed out to me that I should never argue with idiots as they will drag you down to their level and the win by experience. But it was good to touch base by phone with some of the people that make comments on web sites and chat about various things"

*Costello* Time to stop slagging the same members who belong to AMCC and help out at with marshalling etc. Avoiding 'arguments', dealing with 'idiots', and folk hiding behind online names is a piss poor excuse for not answering criticisms.

[cowpoos]

Costello is complaining again about websites and "people hiding behind names"

I quote from the March AMCC "Presidents report":

"I think that I hit a raw nerve with my last report about websites and the people that hide behind names. According to some people, the reason my report was late is that I was on holiday, I wish.,due to being sort staffed at work I was at work more than at home. But that's how it goes working for a Government department.

It has been pointed out to me that I should never argue with idiots as they will drag you down to their level and the win by experience. But it was good to touch base by phone with some of the people that make comments on web sites and chat about various things"

*Costello* Time to stop slagging the same members who belong to AMCC and help out at with marshalling etc. Avoiding 'arguments', dealing with 'idiots', and folk hiding behind online names is a piss poor excuse for not answering criticisms.
Whats his phone number?

[SixPackBack]

Whats his phone number?

Check your reputation.

[cowpoos]

Check your reputation.
well post his email then...I'm sure plenty of people that have comented on these isusse's has no problem with not hiding behind a online persona.

[SixPackBack]

well post his email then...I'm sure plenty of people that have comented on these isusse's has no problem with not hiding behind a online persona.

executive@amcc.org.nz

csl.costello@gmail.com .......both of these addresses and Costello's home/mobile number appear on the newsletter.

[doc]

I am disappointed at the attack of the president on "sites" on the internet about the so called experts after the fact.

Ferk I'd have to agree with both you and the pressy here. You don't argue with the rabble/crowd . Sort of lowers the tone of the level of leadership. He should have remained silent about the internet attacks. He has reduced his standing to something similiar to Monty Python.
I presume that he represents a democracy (Hey it's not KB'r) . Those that posted about the pressies comments can vote him out. The internet has destroyed the "put up or shutup" or "Standup to be counted" Era.
Maybe he should join KB'r and join in . :rolleyes: