You add how much to recommended corner speeds?

[Rainbow Wizard]

Checking system!
Checked it again, it's bullshit. There aint no poll option on my display so how about one of you other fellers put it together OK?

How much do you add to the recommended cornering speeds?
Do you add by percentage or a sliding or fixed amount?
How much does that change if it's wet or if the traffic's heavy?
Do you vary that by much if you're two-up?
Is there a regional variation to the recommended speeds?

So here's the format mr/mrs volunteer!

1) Percentage
2) Fixed
3) Less than 50%
4) More than 50%
5) Regional variation exists
6) There really is no regional variation

[Storm]

depends on how high it is. If its 15km/h, I'll slow RIGHT down, but usually 20k +(depending on weather, how cocky I feel etc) :sunny:

[Motu]

Um...I ignore the signs and ride my own ride.

[**R1**]

never worked it out but im guessing .........LOTS
like 70%???? maybe

[Krusti]

In the car I have allways just changed it to MPH. On the bike untill I go, "Oh Shit" then take a little off. Oh thats right, too late then. Never mind.

[TonyB]

Usually take 65's at around 100. But then I do the same in even a crappy car. I never speed so don't know about any of the faster ones. *cough*
I reckon there is a regional variation.
RainbowWizard- try clicking on the thread tools, the option for adding a poll should be there. Might have to edit your post to do it.

[**R1**]

just sat and worked it out its over 100%, ya can safly take a 65 at 140kph
but a 35 would be more like 70k?? cant say i watch the speedo much, but then its only there to count k's

[TonyB]

just sat and worked it out its over 100%, ya can safly take a 65 at 140kph
but a 35 would be more like 70k?? cant say i watch the speedo much, but then its only there to count k's
You might be able to do it, I would promptly freak out and end up in the bushes :confused:

[Sensei]

Use vanishing point when riding . So until foot starts hitting the road I just ride at my own speed / Take signs as an lean angle LOL :yeah: :niceone:
SENSEI

[DarkNinja]

just sat and worked it out its over 100%, ya can safly take a 65 at 140kph
but a 35 would be more like 70k?? cant say i watch the speedo much, but then its only there to count k's
I dont think it would be an even percentage or a staight graph (if we are to graph it) it would be one of those curvy fellas
pretty much interpreting that there isnt a huge change in the way that you can take a 15, 25, 35 km/h corners (ussually more angle, gravity thingey, less room for error) but up nearer the 65, 75, 85, and (dare i say it) 95 km/h corners there is much more leeway for speed (less angle, only more gravity if you put more speed into it etc etc)
i cant remember the way the graph would go round but think about it.
damn that school thing does come in use...
DN

[TonyB]

I use a sliding scale i suppose.
So when you start sliding you know you were going to fast?
I think I ride my best when I just ignore the speedo, but the law of the land make me keep a close eye on it, which leads to me looking at it too often.

[Hitcher]

Depends on the corner. If I can see through it and know it's nicely cambered and clean, then it's going to be at least nominal speed plus 20%. Some of the corners between Arthurs and Porters Pass are rated as 65kmh corners but can be taken at double that in the dry. Conversely there's a 15kmh rated corner on the descent off the Whangamomona saddle (on the Whanga side) where 15kmh is a generous estimate and a dirty great wall of papa awaits for those who overcook it.

If I can't see through a corner and my powers of prognostication are a bit ragged, then I'll enter at the nominal speed and determine my exit speed once I've got a clear sighter out of the completed turn.

To be sure to be sure...

[Zapf]

Recommended speed x 2 and minus 20k when I want it easy.... or just double when going hard... but if its like a 45k or lesser speed corner I slow right down...

[**R1**]

I dont think it would be an even percentage or a staight graph (if we are to graph it) it would be one of those curvy fellas
pretty much interpreting that there isnt a huge change in the way that you can take a 15, 25, 35 km/h corners (ussually more angle, gravity thingey, less room for error) but up nearer the 65, 75, 85, and (dare i say it) 95 km/h corners there is much more leeway for speed (less angle, only more gravity if you put more speed into it etc etc)
i cant remember the way the graph would go round but think about it.
damn that school thing does come in use...
DN
yeah i know the one sumfin to do with standard deveation(SP) and its a bell shape?? and you need to work out the mean and sum other stuff....me not to bright so i have no idea :spudwhat: , there is a 85k corner i do most weekends i have taken that at 220kph im pretty sure i could add 30 more k on top of that, but you are right about the slower ones i wouldnt want to take a 25 at much more than 70

[sAsLEX]

I use a sliding scale i suppose.

Depends on the speed advised but I normaly double the advisory speed,
e.g. 55kmh take it at 100-110kmh.
15kph.. easily taken at 30k's if not a wee bit more.
The lower speed advisory i.e >35 I usually double it and add 10
Anything like 45k's and above i just double.
But when it gets to corners that say 95k's sometimes not quite double.. maybe take at 160 or something like that.

That very clear??

shouldn't that be <35??

[bugjuice]

I pretty much ride like Zapf.. I know on a little above average ride (so a little more than just cruising), I take a wild guess that double should be fun and hopefully see the other side.. Else if it's a softer cruise or I can't be arsed to get my arse off the bike, then somewhere around half on top of the recommended. But the speedo is the last thing I'm looking at when going into a corner!

I was told that these recommendations are aimed more for large vehicles. Most cars can take the corner faster than the suggested speed, I think it's more for trucks who do need to slow. Bikes are at the other end of the scale, so works out. Just bear in mind the speed zone you're riding in!

[onearmedbandit]

I was attacking some corners (on a closed road of course) at well over 100% recently with no problems, other than if the road wasn't closed I may have lost that little plastic card that you keep in your wallet, you know the one that has your photo on it. But on slower corners (ie 25-35) I may only double it. In the wet its a slightly different story, I have difficulty trusting a small patch of rubber acting with lateral force on a wet sometimes oily surface.

[**R1**]

I pretty much ride like Zapf.. I know on a little above average ride (so a little more than just cruising), I take a wild guess that double should be fun and hopefully see the other side.. Else if it's a softer cruise or I can't be arsed to get my arse off the bike, then somewhere around half on top of the recommended. But the speedo is the last thing I'm looking at when going into a corner!

I was told that these recommendations are aimed more for large vehicles. Most cars can take the corner faster than the suggested speed, I think it's more for trucks who do need to slow. Bikes are at the other end of the scale, so works out. Just bear in mind the speed zone you're riding in!
They are worked out by what is comfortable(SP) for a passenger in a car(mate used to do it for a job.

[dhunt]

It really depends on the road a lot in my oppion and if you think the boys in blue are around. Many of the road signs can be easily taken at much higher speeds than the sign says but ocassionly you can get caught out where the sign is actually right :doh: or even worse still too fast. :brick:

[Waylander]

Go at what I feel comfortable with and also depends on how far I can lean over before the pegs (or the heel of my boot) scrape on the road.
By the way anybody know where I can get some titanium plates to put on the heel of my boots?

[RiderInBlack]

Depends on the mood and the road condition. If I'm in a good mood and the road is dry and clean I swap the sign's KPH for MPH (eg. 60KPM becomes 60MPH). If I am in a challanging myself mood, I see how much better than that I can do without feeling too uncomfortable. If I'm chaseing another bike, I use the signs as an indication as to how many gears I should change down to keep the power on so that I can power out of the corner better. But most days I just cruise arould the corners doing my own thing (usually below the MPH swap) and just use the signs as an indication of how hard the corner might be.:whocares:

[Two Smoker]

I dont look at my speedo... as Motu said, i ride my own ride.....

But i generally double it and sometimes triple it.... I use the signs as a gauge of what kind of corner is coming up....

15,25,35 = Hairpin

45,55,65 = Sweeper (decreasing or increasing radius judged whilst riding)

75kmh + = Kink usually taken at balls out...

[campbellluke]

95 km recommended bends ( yes some do exist ) , I take at 100!!

But im a wuss though. I guess I usually add on 30 kmph, except the likes of road that I arn't confident or familiar with. Hairpins. Shit riding conditions.

Often I will be taking a 65 kmph bend, just a little under 100.

[Gixxer 4 ever]

I can not see my Speedo so seldom use it. :confused: I ride a gixxer and the bead around the blade blocks the Speedo from view. I use the posted speed to tell me what kind of corner it is. As long as I go into the corner with revs over 7k you can do anything you like in the corner. If it gets to tight you back the gas off or even brake. If it opens up faster than you planned you can wind the gas on for a blast across the apex. Watch the vanishing point with good revs and you will love the ride. In the wet I take care. Often a slid in the wet can equal pain but with a gentle back off the throttle and no brakes it will come back but in the wet I play no games. it is safer.

[jrandom]

I use the signs as a gauge of what kind of corner is coming up....

15,25,35 = Hairpin

45,55,65 = Sweeper (decreasing or increasing radius judged whilst riding)

75kmh + = Kink usually taken at balls out...

That's actually quite a good guide. I like it.

Now, me, I usually do the MPH conversion thing unless I know the road, then I double it. Sub-35 corners that I can't see around, though, I usually assume have huge ruts or something that are going to kill me. You can't trust really slow corners on most state highways unless you know the road.

[Skunk]

Same formula for every corner...

As fast as I can, and still be able to stop in the clear road I can see, up to double the marked limit. :spudwhat:

This explains why I'm so slow on the windy stuff. :confused:

[Skyryder]

I have noticed that the slower the recommended speed the closer I am likely to stick to it. 25 to 35 kph I am usually on the button or perhaps a little faster. These corners can be a little tight if you go much faster than the rec. speed and it is always safer to stick in case of the unexpected. From 50 kph i usually increase incrementaly depending on road and traffic. But in truth do not look to close at speedometre when approaching corners. As long as I know the gear the engine revs tell me most what I need to know.

Skyryder

[avgas]

Go really fast, that way if u miss the first corner - youll land on the second :killingme

[justsomeguy]

I guess a lot of this comes down to a riders ability......

I usually am pretty much around 10-20kms max over lower speed corners.... but try not to slow down for anything marked over 65Kmph from the open road limit.

People like TS and MR on the other hand just go round turns at whatever speed they want cos it appears that the laws of physics don't apply to them. Not to mention Frosty riding with only one working hand and having a pillion...........

[Krusti]

If I was a really good rider I would probably just add a 1 in front of them. But I'm not so I dont.

[pyrocam]

Use vanishing point when riding . So until foot starts hitting the road I just ride at my own speed / Take signs as an lean angle LOL :yeah: :niceone:
SENSEI
HAHA thats awesome. mind if I use that in a sig?

[TwoSeven]

I'm in the swap it for Mph brigade as well.

There are a couple round here you have to watch for. 55kph usually means its a corkscrew corner and 25kph usually means its a hairpin.

[NC]

15kms @ 15kms

all others usally twice the speed they recomend on a nice day.

[ManDownUnder]

You go round faster and faster and faster till you crash... then slow down a bit!

A bit like doing up cylinder head bolt - up till they break then back 1/3 of a turn!

ok seriously... I do it by intuition most of the time. Weather, visibility, road surface, traffic all come into it and formula being followed would likely just get me killed... I have a preference for watching the road (not the speedo) as I go round a corner.

I guess I must be old fashioned that way
MDU

[Wolf]

Depends on the corner.

Most 55Km/h corners I take at 70-80 if the road is dry and in good condition (not rutted or gravel-strewn) The 45km/h at the Narrows Bridge I enter at 60 and leave at 70 (accelerate out of corners) under ideal conditions. Unmarked (theoretically 100km/h) corner on Ringer Road at 80km/h - think it should be labelled 50km/h because it's bloody dangerous. Anything 75km/h and above I usually take at 100km/h unless the road or traffic conditions suggest otherwise.

I'm not big on scraping my pegs and going hard out around corners - I ride to relax and I generally get all the brown-trouser moments I need owing to the bone-headed tactics of other road users without having to give myself any.

If I don't know the road I work by the look of the land and the road and decide whether to take it at the posted speed or no more than 20km/h higher.

I think the posted speed is supposed to be the "maximum safe speed when wet" so you can generally take them a lot faster when dry.

In the wet I tend to stick to the posted speed.

[magnum]

normally double,more if i know the corner :niceone:

[scroter]

same here, think of a number and double it. im sure its possible to do 190 round a 95 but ive never tryed it and i aint gonna either

[slob]

I can not see my Speedo so seldom use it.

Same here (got a '96 GSX-R750T). I reckon it's a safety feature so you concentrate on the road instead! :niceone:

[Rainbow Wizard]

I usually do the MPH conversion thing unless I know the road, then I double it.

Man that's a 70k corner at 2 times 112k!!! 70 into 224 goes 3.2 times but at that speed I reckon you'd only do it once!

[Rainbow Wizard]

I'm so slow on the windy stuff. :confused:
Skunk by name but not by nature?

[Gixxer 4 ever]

Same here (got a '96 GSX-R750T). I reckon it's a safety feature so you concentrate on the road instead! :niceone:So Suzuki is looking after us. :cool: See I knew there was a reason. :wari: So you are over 5 foot tall as well Still one hell of a nice bike. In fact the saying goes " once you have ridden one you are spoilt for all others" Could well be true. I only look at the Gixxers when window shopping

[Skunk]

Skunk by name but not by nature?Yeah, Skunk - stink rider :lol:
"I don't ride like stink, my riding just stinks."

[Rainbow Wizard]

Recommended speed x 2 and minus 20k when I want it easy.... or just double when going hard... but if its like a 45k or lesser speed corner I slow right down...

and


I generally double it and sometimes triple it.... I use the signs as a gauge of what kind of corner is coming up....

15,25,35 = Hairpin

45,55,65 = Sweeper (decreasing or increasing radius judged whilst riding)

75kmh + = Kink usually taken at balls out...

Then what works for me plus most others, where if your speedo reads mph then take 'em easy at the mph instead of the kph. That's around 60% as a minimum for all except the hairpins maybe.

Clearly adding on 75% (or half plus half of that half) is not really pushing it except for maybe the novices or if it's wet. And adepts can get by at double or even more. And then there's the issue of how far round the corner you can see along with how much room you need to stop at that speed, and that includes how many metres lost whilst you stand that baby up?

But what we gotta remember is: faster means less room for errors, and some of them could be someone or something else's (like that duck for instance, or a possum, or some cager, or a pothole). I reckon once you start getting close to adding 100% you could be considered a menace on the road. Fine on the track mate, but out there it just scares the hell outa me at times.

[onearmedbandit]

Same here (got a '96 GSX-R750T). I reckon it's a safety feature so you concentrate on the road instead! :niceone:

Mine (97) must have an aftermarket blade (looks std.) as I'm either looking through the blade to clearly see the entire instrumement assembly, or if I'm tucked down looking straight at 'em (well obviously looking at the road, you know what I mean). I'm only like 172cm tall (not often I can use that word in any sentence involving myself!) so the screen must be different.

[Two Smoker]

But what we gotta remember is: faster means less room for errors, and some of them could be someone or something else's (like that duck for instance, or a possum, or some cager, or a pothole). I reckon once you start getting close to adding 100% you could be considered a menace on the road. Fine on the track mate, but out there it just scares the hell outa me at times.

Yep, but some corners if i am tripiling may only be at 70-80% of my riding ability or at a push 90%... riding at 100% or even 90% is just asking for trouble...

MR and i generally ride together at 80% going hard through the twisties... But we know what we can do from riding on the track, hence our 80% may look like 110% to others...

[betti]

simple, learn the road, you'll soon know how fast you can take each corner. :done:

[Biff]

Depends on the corner. There's a corner at the end of my lane here posted as a 50. I'll defy anyone to get around it, and stay in their own lane going anywhere over 60 (I squeeze a 52 ish). I've ridden corners marked 25K faster than this one.

I vote vanishing point, or hookers

[Wolf]

I vote vanishing point, or hookers
OK, I concede defeat, here.

I do not know either term. Thought I'd best look a bit of a dick asking for clarification rather than look a total dick pretending I know what you're talking about.

[**R1**]

Depends on the corner. There's a corner at the end of my lane here posted as a 50. I'll defy anyone to get around it, and stay in their own lane going anywhere over 60 (I squeeze a 52 ish). I've ridden corners marked 25K faster than this one.

I vote vanishing point, or hookers

I'll have a go.....wouldnt be fair to do it on the R1 tho ....you better give me your bike to try:devil2:

[Biff]

OK, I concede defeat, here.

I do not know either term. Thought I'd best look a bit of a dick asking for clarification rather than look a total dick pretending I know what you're talking about.

A wise man once said, "Better look stupid for a minute and ask the question, than not as the question and look stupid for a lifetime".

Vanishing point, an attempt to describe it:
When you look at the road ahead and you see the point at which the edges of the road are coming together (or the road appears to have ended as you can no longer see any road ahead), you're going too fast slow down to take a corner. Slow down. If the edges of the road appear to be opening up (moving further apart) you are not at the optimum speed to take a corner. This doesn't mean you're going too slow though, enter common sense mode here. Chasing the vanishing point is where you're adjusting your speed to ensure the road ahead is neither opening up nor closing. This is what the pro's do.

I claim no responsibility for any damage/injuries caused by attempting this.

Anybody else want to try and explain this better?


I'll have a go.....wouldnt be fair to do it on the R1 tho ....you better give me your bike to try:devil2:

As faster a rider as you are than me mate, you'd have far more chance of pulling this corner off at speed on your pocket rocket than my big Bird. But since you were too scared to take a ride on my Bird when I borrowed your R1 recently, I'd say you were too scared of the power of my beast. :yeah:

[jrandom]

A wise man once said, "Better look stupid for a minute and ask the question, or not as the question and look stupid for a lifetime".

Then again, there are those who look stupid for a minute, and then just carry on that way...

[gsxr750]

Back to the road signs. I drive a truck and use them (if i don't know the road) as pointers only (like the numbered corners in rally games) and add about 20-40% depending on the load. On the bike I dobble it as a base when entering the corner, and then slow or speed depending on the conditions I'm meet with. once i know the corner I usully go quite a bit faster depending on if theres any thing that worrys me. ie if somone could pull out or if theres likly to be a 4*4 iin the area (always on the worng side in corners)
Nick

[scroter]

Yep, but some corners if i am tripiling may only be at 70-80% of my riding ability or at a push 90%... riding at 100% or even 90% is just asking for trouble...

MR and i generally ride together at 80% going hard through the twisties... But we know what we can do from riding on the track, hence our 80% may look like 110% to others...

im with two smoker on this one. everybodys limits are in different places. the trick is to not push them and dont try keeping up with someone if you cant. Also i dont have a problem with anyone trying things out on the road as long as you leave room for error, like seeing all the way round the corner , nothing coming the other way.

[Wolf]

Then again, there are those who look stupid for a minute, and then just carry on that way...
I highly resemble that :p

[zooter]

Hmmm, the road code tells us we should always be able to stop safely in the visible clear road ahead. Failing to adhere to this one is what causes "accidents". That cow in the middle of the road should theoretically be perfectly safe from motorists. Most of us are just plain lucky there aren't more cows on the loose.

[mikey]

what a bunch of hard core macho ass holes... have you guys got death wishes...................


ahahhahahaha

[Wolf]

what a bunch of hard core macho ass holes... have you guys got death wishes...................
Not half as much as you have, Mikey :ar15:

:lol: :lol:

[wari]

I RIde byda vibe man ... :doobey:

I'mda vibe ride man ... :spudguita

GOtta chune inmah head ... :spudbooge

SAys yizall shoulda fledd .. :spudguita

OR taken lotsa medd ... :doobey:

:spudguita

I'mda vibe ride man ... :doobey:

I Ride byda vibe man ... :spudguita

..... :wari: