How do we ban gangs?

[Winston001]

Reading Vifferman's posts on the farmer being acquitted of manslaughter thread, made me wonder what ideas there are to ban or at least control criminal gangs.

Any thoughts?

[Dean]

You cant ban gangs but you can reduce there numbers by banning pacthes of gangs, Foreinstance banning the mongrel mob and black power pacth would be a big start.
Also to combat the youth gangs you can ban any one who puts up gang signs, and change the curfew for teenagers 18 and under, at night time in the city/towns so they cant run around getting into mischeif at 12 at midnight

[Headbanger]

Twice daily raids on any premises where they maybe.Bash as required.

They will soon get sick of it.

Start brainwashing the community to stand against them.

[Winston001]

Twice daily raids on any premises where they maybe. Bash as required.

They will soon get sick of it.

Start brainwashing the community to stand against them.

Of course Wanganui has a head start on this argument eh! :niceone:

[davereid]

You don't need to control gangs, all you need to do is control crime.

Three-strikes legislation will be a step in the right direction - most gang members would long since be enjoying a 25 year rest.

The side effect of reducing the breeding rate of the criminal world will also help.

[Hitcher]

Before we get too excited by the prospect of banning gangs, what exactly is a "gang" so we know what it is we're banning?

[MSTRS]

The side effect of reducing the breeding rate of the criminal world will also help.

Not so sure about that. Do you think the partners out there are fussy about who they bonk/let bonk?
If any act of aggression (including intimidation + wearing gang patches) carried the risk of a shooting...and 'we' could all carry...

[Ixion]

You can't ban gangs. or you end up banning Ulysses or the RSA.

But you can enforce the existing laws. Which the police are strangely reluctant to use where gangs are concerned.

And a government that was SERIOUS about crime could do a lot more

A very good start would be to reintroduce the old concept of "notorious felon". Basically this enables a judge to say "You are one bad troublemaking cunt. Henceforth you are classed as a notorious felon"

Those so classed are automatically prohibited from consorting. And the police need no search warrant to search a property or vehicle belonging to a notorious felon, or one used or habituated by one. Or to intercept their phone calls or mail, or search their bank accounts. Nor may a NF be a director of a company. And a raft of other restrictions.

And a condition of every bail and parole is that the person may not consort with any notorious felon.

That would very quickly cut them down to size. There are no civil liberty issues in this (and if I say so you may believe it). A person is only declared a NF when they been found guilty of repeated serious crimes. So they have no right to expect the same liberty as an honest man.

[EatOrBeEaten]

Work to remedy the social problems that result in disenfrachised young people thinking that a gang is the only way they can stay safe and be a part of something. Treating the symptoms is not a cure.

Of course, if I knew how to do that I'd be a damn sight richer than I am now....

[Hitcher]

"Notorious felon". I like the sound of that.

[Dooly]

Genocide...

[MisterD]

"Notorious felon". I like the sound of that.

That was Roderick, sorry Woderwick, the wobber and wapist wasn't it?

[Dean]

Genocide...

muaahaa muuaaaahhaha muuahahahahaha

[Hitcher]

That was Roderick, sorry Woderwick, the wobber and wapist wasn't it?

Actually it was Thilath the Athyrian Athathin...

[firefighter]

Shoot them in the face............

[MadDuck]

Shoot them in the face............

have you had a change of occupation? Whats wrong with burning down their "headquarters"?

[firefighter]

have you had a change of occupation? Whats wrong with burning down their "headquarters"?

No, I stick with shooting them in the face :woohoo:

They will just move, retaliate, and angry callous pricks like me will have to put out the fire, make our way through their booby trapped HQ's overhauling etc.
Just shoot them in the face. :Punk:

[enigma51]

With a rifle!!!!!!!!

[peasea]

"Notorious felon". I like the sound of that.

Me too, where do we sign up? "Peasea, not a riotous fella" oh no, hang on, I misread the line.

[cowpoos]

Reading Vifferman's posts on the farmer being acquitted of manslaughter thread, made me wonder what ideas there are to ban or at least control criminal gangs.

Any thoughts?

easy....round them all up...give them all guns and ammo...let them go for it...and shot the last one standing!!

[fatzx10r]

make it legal to shoot them.... i'll get rid of them :devil2: :ar15:

[peasea]

You can't ban gangs. or you end up banning Ulysses or the RSA.

But you can enforce the existing laws. Which the police are strangely reluctant to use where gangs are concerned.

And a government that was SERIOUS about crime could do a lot more

A very good start would be to reintroduce the old concept of "notorious felon". Basically this enables a judge to say "You are one bad troublemaking cunt. Henceforth you are classed as a notorious felon"

Those so classed are automatically prohibited from consorting. And the police need no search warrant to search a property or vehicle belonging to a notorious felon, or one used or habituated by one. Or to intercept their phone calls or mail, or search their bank accounts. Nor may a NF be a director of a company. And a raft of other restrictions.

And a condition of every bail and parole is that the person may not consort with any notorious felon.

That would very quickly cut them down to size. There are no civil liberty issues in this (and if I say so you may believe it). A person is only declared a NF when they been found guilty of repeated serious crimes. So they have no right to expect the same liberty as an honest man.

Politicians blather on and make up new laws, the cops might bin some gangsters but what really matters is what size balls the judge who sentences the dirtbags has. Even if they do get any time in jail they come out looking like heroes to their mates and make mockery of the whole thing anyway. Even on bail, (parole, whatever) like that Bailey Kurariki (sp?) wanker, they carry on as if nothing has happened. I don't know if he's a gang member and I really don't care; it's the mentality.

Are all motorcycle clubs gangs? (Ulysses was a good example, there are plenty.) How do you weed out the baddies? If a guy in a hot rod club gets busted with a p-lab in his garage are all hot rodders p-heads? Boy racers?

One of the big problems is that successive governments, police commissioners and judges (over decades) have let the 'gangs' grow to a point where it's going to be very difficult, time consuming and expensive to reduce thei numbers and without trying to sound too negative you will never fully eradicate them.

Watch 'Gangs of New York'...........

[firefighter]

Are all motorcycle clubs gangs? (Ulysses was a good example, there are plenty.) How do you weed out the baddies? If a guy in a hot rod club gets busted with a p-lab in his garage are all hot rodders p-heads? Boy racers?



Bullshit, your over thinking it. :blink:

We know who the fucken gangs are, this is the kind of thinking which did away with capital punishment. <_<

Shoot them in the face. :done:

[peasea]

Bullshit, your over thinking it. :blink:

We know who the fucken gangs are, this is the kind of thinking which did away with capital punishment. <_<

Shoot them in the face. :done:

I know, let's form a gang (armed to the teeth) and go out and shoot the gangs? Brill.

I do love the vigilante in you though, so kiwi.

Can I have their bikes?

[Mikkel]

Before we get too excited by the prospect of banning gangs, what exactly is a "gang" so we know what it is we're banning?

A gang is a collection of people with a common interest not shared by the majority of the population. Riding motorcycles and drinking beer to give a couple of examples...


I don't know of a place that has no gangs at all, not saying that there aren't any, so I wouldn't presume to know what to do. The places with the least amount of gang related violence are usually the places where one gang is dominant and most people just plays along (e.g. southern Italy) - but that's hardly a solution.

[firefighter]

I know, let's form a gang (armed to the teeth) and go out and shoot the gangs? Brill.

I do love the vigilante in you though, so kiwi.

Can I have their bikes?

Lol, I mean the cops can shoot them in the face, but whatever you would prefer.....lol. (or I might end up next-door off-loading there....)

Oh yeah and yes you can have their bikes, as long as you earn it and shoot them in the face. :apint:

[MSTRS]

Shoot them in the face. :done:

Whilst I can appreciate your reasoning (sound, too BTW) it would be a terrible crime to do that. Just think of all those beautiful examples of traditional (applied using the centuries-old traditional method) moko being destroyed...
:shifty:

[MSTRS]

Can I have their bikes?

Only if their owners don't want them back...

[peasea]

Lol, I mean the cops can shoot them in the face, but whatever you would prefer.....lol. (or I might end up next-door off-loading there....)

Oh yeah and yes you can have their bikes, as long as you earn it and shoot them in the face. :apint:

With a gun or my penis?

[peasea]

A gang is a collection of people with a common interest not shared by the majority of the population. Riding motorcycles and drinking beer to give a couple of examples...


I don't know of a place that has no gangs at all, not saying that there aren't any, so I wouldn't presume to know what to do. The places with the least amount of gang related violence are usually the places where one gang is dominant and most people just plays along (e.g. southern Italy) - but that's hardly a solution.


What about re-instating Hitler's solution?

[firefighter]

With a gun or my penis?

again, use your own discretion (sp) here, although I don't imagine you'd get away with the later.......

[Madness]

Work to remedy the social problems that result in disenfrachised young people thinking that a gang is the only way they can stay safe and be a part of something.

You haven't been here long have you?.

Here (http://www.stuff.co.nz/4850521a11.html) is the next big Gang in N.Z. Apparently they're bigger than Hells Angels overseas.

[Mikkel]

What about re-instating Hitler's solution?

Nah, the NZ infrastructure isn't quite up to that task at the moment.

:chase:

[ManDownUnder]

Ask what need they fill - then fill it before the gangs do. (phychobabble warning (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow's_hierarchy_of_needs))

Everyone has a need to belong somewhere. The most attractive option is usually taken (assuming people have any choices and or brains) and for those not fitting anywhere else... structured organisations fill that need. Gangs are one such organisation.

What was missing from the life of gang members that the gang now supplies? THAT is what we need to deliver on as a society. Once that's done, gangs become irrelevant

[Madness]

What was missing from the life of gang members that the gang now supplies? THAT is what we need to deliver on as a society. Once that's done, gangs become irrelevant

So you want to hand out free P at High Schools to prospective prospects?.

[peasea]

Ask what need they fill - then fill it before the gangs do. (phychobabble warning (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow's_hierarchy_of_needs))

Everyone has a need to belong somewhere. The most attractive option is usually taken (assuming people have any choices and or brains) and for those not fitting anywhere else... structured organisations fill that need. Gangs are one such organisation.

What was missing from the life of gang members that the gang now supplies? THAT is what we need to deliver on as a society. Once that's done, gangs become irrelevant

Brainpower?

[Mikkel]

So you want to hand out free P at High Schools to prospective prospects?.

No, but a drug policy founded upon reason instead of ignorance and punishment would go a long way to render organised crime "obsolete".

[vifferman]

have you had a change of occupation? Whats wrong with burning down their "headquarters"?
*snortle*
Years ago, one of the gang HQs in the industrial area of Rotorua was flattened when some naughty person stole a large loader from a few doors down and drove it through the HQ's fortifications. Oops, and all that....

Here's an idea. These gangs like fighting, and biffo, and all that.
We could round up gang members from opposing gangs, drop them somewhere remote (White Island would be ideal), supply 'em with weapons, and leave them to it. After a month or so, the winners go to the next round: fighting NZ's premier gang: the Army.

[ManDownUnder]

Brainpower?

To be valued, respected, and belong. My personal view is that the lack of these three things with our children is what breeds gangsters. They're not respected at home - so they go elsewhere where they CAN earn it. Or they go to prison - where they CAN earn it.

[peasea]

To be valued, respected, and belong. My personal view is that the lack of these three things with our children is what breed gangsters. They're not respected at jhome - so they go elsewhere where they CAN earn it. Or they go to prison - where they CAN earn it.


I was extracting the urine.

As it happens a bloke I know did his masters on the subject and I have a copy of his amazing 53,000-word thesis. He accessed a few of the 'heavier' gangs in NZ and obtained an insight that few 'outsiders' would be privy to. Some of it makes heavy/interesting reading but it was sadly rejected by TVNZ for making into a doco.

[ManDownUnder]

I was extracting the urine.

As it happens a bloke I know did his masters on the subject and I have a copy of his amazing 53,000-word thesis. He accessed a few of the 'heavier' gangs in NZ and obtained an insight that few 'outsiders' would be privy to. Some of it makes heavy/interesting reading but it was sadly rejected by TVNZ for making into a doco.

Sounds like we're on the same page - all good.

Sorry - tis a subject I personally take pretty seriously - maybe I bit a little hard... but I'm offering no retraction :)

[peasea]

Sounds like we're on the same page - all good.

Sorry - tis a subject I personally take pretty seriously - maybe I bit a little hard... but I'm offering no retraction :)


I wasn't aware you'd lost traction but fine by me.

Have some traction.....

[Slyer]

One more for the "notorious felon" idea.
3 strikes works too.
I like the idea of repeat offenders being worse and worse off the more times they offend, it should double.
If the sentence for armed robbery is 5 years the next sentence should be 10 years.

Still not sure where I stand on capital punishment, I think we need to come up with a form of exile. ;)

[davereid]

A very good start would be to reintroduce the old concept of "notorious felon". Basically this enables a judge to say "You are one bad troublemaking cunt. Henceforth you are classed as a notorious felon"

Those so classed are automatically prohibited from consorting. And the police need no search warrant to search a property or vehicle belonging to a notorious felon, or one used or habituated by one. Or to intercept their phone calls or mail, or search their bank accounts. Nor may a NF be a director of a company. And a raft of other restrictions.

And a condition of every bail and parole is that the person may not consort with any notorious felon.

That would very quickly cut them down to size. There are no civil liberty issues in this (and if I say so you may believe it). A person is only declared a NF when they been found guilty of repeated serious crimes. So they have no right to expect the same liberty as an honest man.

Ix, pretty clearly I am (rabidly ?) on the side of freedom and liberty. Yet here, I see no problem.

Our government seems intent on passing laws that reduce the freedom, privacy and liberty of all New Zealanders.

Yet we dont need that. All we need to do is properly address the 0.5% of us that are criminal.

I don't see any problem at all with the NF idea, indeed it has my full support.

[DELLORTO]

You haven't been here long have you?.

Here (http://www.stuff.co.nz/4850521a11.html) is the next big Gang in N.Z. Apparently they're bigger than Hells Angels overseas.

id just shoot them in the legs for saying their a gang.......:lol:

[slimjim]

*snortle*
Years ago, one of the gang HQs in the industrial area of Rotorua was flattened when some naughty person stole a large loader from a few doors down and drove it through the HQ's fortifications. Oops, and all that....

Here's an idea. These gangs like fighting, and biffo, and all that.
We could round up gang members from opposing gangs, drop them somewhere remote (White Island would be ideal), supply 'em with weapons, and leave them to it. After a month or so, the winners go to the next round: fighting NZ's premier gang: the Army.


fat loader driver was a copper anyhow..and the bro's rebuilt the club house..and the army haha fuck might as well put the armed defenders instead.. only pro is that the bro's will still be armed ,however at least there will be no van's to hide in to get shot..white island...fuck that aren't big enough ... send them all to the north island and all the softies go south... humm wonder how long before they invaled the south too...

[sinfull]

You cant ban gangs but you can reduce there numbers by banning pacthes of gangs, Foreinstance banning the mongrel mob and black power pacth would be a big start.
Also to combat the youth gangs you can ban any one who puts up gang signs, and change the curfew for teenagers 18 and under, at night time in the city/towns so they cant run around getting into mischeif at 12 at midnight Go to bed !!!


"You are one bad troublemaking cunt. Henceforth you are classed as a notorious felon"

. Now there's a thought


Bullshit, your over thinking it. :blink:

We know who the fucken gangs are, this is the kind of thinking which did away with capital punishment. <_<

Shoot them in the face. :done: You got a gun ?


I know, let's form a gang (armed to the teeth) and go out and shoot the gangs? Brill.

I do love the vigilante in you though, so kiwi.

Can I have their bikes? Do they all have bikes ?


With a gun or my penis? Ummmmm


No, but a drug policy founded upon reason instead of ignorance and punishment would go a long way to render organised crime "obsolete". You have 3 years grasshopper !


address the 0.5% of us that are criminal.

.25000 if the population is 5 mill mmmmmm how many in NZ jails ATM ? shouldn't we be safe from criminal behaviour ?

[Dave Lobster]

This is how you stop gangs:
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Nah, the NZ infrastructure isn't quite up to that task at the moment.

:chase:

The other problem at the moment is copyright.. That's a big bee in the bonnet of a few people.

The self fuelling ovens were copyrighted..

[Mikkel]

The other problem at the moment is copyright.. That's a big bee in the bonnet of a few people.

The self fuelling ovens were copyrighted..

Nah, I think that would be a patent surely. Although I suppose it could be argued whether mass-extermination is an industrial or an artistic concept.

However, I'm sure that the patent would have expired by now. If not, it would be fairly interesting to know what organisation owns it. :yes:

[Dave Lobster]

However, I'm sure that the patent would have expired by now. If not, it would be fairly interesting to know what organisation owns it. :yes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topf_and_Sons

Probably the fucking russians.

[Skyryder]

So if the Govt bans gangs do they become a gang ban(g)a??:buggerd:

Skyryder

[candor]

The way to ban them is to ban components from doing all the things that make some gangs suck.

I'd advocat placing all identified gang associated caregivers of babies leaving maternity wards on 10 year antisocial behaviour orders. These orders are used in the UK for crims and dictate required standards of behaviour, requirements to receive proper social service input, abandon addictions etc.
Perhaps the baby could be returnable and transferable to the long list of adoptive parents who must raid 3rd world orphanages, if there was a breach!

[Finn]

Reading Vifferman's posts on the farmer being acquitted of manslaughter thread, made me wonder what ideas there are to ban or at least control criminal gangs.

Any thoughts?

Shooting them is a good start.

[WolfCollared]

Bugger I misread the thread title, read it as Gang bangs!:shutup:

[crazefox]

Just leave them be:jerry:

[Dave Lobster]

Why don't we have Customs taint the P as it comes in, rather than confiscating it?

Then we can poison everyone that uses it. Problem solved.

[McJim]

I'm intrigued by the gang situation in New Zealand - while we have organised drug crime in Glasgow the organisations would never dare go public for fear of backlash from the general public. Any gangs that have tried to have a resurgence of "The Old Days" (In the fifties there were Cumbae and Tongs etc.) have found that complete strangers to them are quite prepared to hospitalise the gang members upon detection. The gang threats fall upon the deaf ears as follows.

Gang member "Arrgh! We'll get ye ya bassa!"
Jimmy public "That'll be a fine trick when you have fuck all idea who I am ya tosser, have a broken jaw"

At least the crims here make it easy by wearing badges! :rofl:

[idb]

......I think we need to come up with a form of exile. ;)
Excellent idea, put them on boats and send them to Australia!

[Forest]

If you want to get rid of gangs, take away their source of income.

[ManDownUnder]

Hold the gang responsible for the actions of it's members - just like my company would be responsible for the actions of any of it's officers.

If my company was selling drugs for income it'd have it's assets seized, be jumped on, closed down, imprisoned and taxed to death. So why are gangs different?

Just formalise their structure then enforce the law.

[Dave Lobster]

Let's all be serious here. There's no way any government is going to do ANYTHING to gangs while they're predominantly brown people.

You can't be seen to be upsetting the alleged natives.

White people have a habit of backing down immediately that a brown one screams racist. Whether it's racism or not, is irrelevent.

[ManDownUnder]

Covertly mix some contagious but curable STD spores/virus/whatever into the cocaine, P and anything else the gangs sell... then publicise it.

Have a few doses of the clap start showing up, make up some story about it being traced back to (insert known drug lord HQ here) via the particular strains found... and people will stay the hell away from that shit.

Those that don't care will come under pressure from their partners, and the social stigma of STDs will be passed onto the gangs making them outcasts.

[imdying]

The notorious felon idea is interesting, but remind me again why we shouldn't just hang people that we've identified as being a serious repitive enough problem as to warrant singling out like that?

[Winston001]

Right: first we have to decide what a gang is.

Simple is best. A gang is a loose association of people who share a common identity and engage in criminal acts.

Not perfect but the more words used, the less clear any definition becomes.


I think there are two issues to solve:

1. Controlling and eliminating organised gangs.

2. Removing the attraction of gangs for the next generation of wannabes - and filling the need that a gang currently answers.


As for control, its a tough one. The police have powers to enter premises, monitor bank accounts, tap phones etc but they have to get warrants first - which means evidence of criminal activity. These gang types might not be too bright as a rule, but they do have intelligent leaders who cover their tracks. A lot of the open criminal behaviour is carried out by prospects, not the important members.

Gang members also understand to keep staunch so getting confessions etc from them is harder than with the average crim.

The big problem for us as a society is do we hand powers to the police to attack gangs.....and just hope they won't use those powers on the rest of us?

[Max Preload]

You can't ban gangs. or you end up banning Ulysses or the RSA.

But you can enforce the existing laws. Which the police are strangely reluctant to use where gangs are concerned.

Just like they're reluctant to use existing laws against 'boi racers' ,like say unlawful assembly (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1961/0043/latest/DLM328559.html), and instead want ever greater powers which will affect the entire population.

[Winston001]

We used to have "non-association" laws which made it an offence to consort with known criminals. However those were removed because one of our democratic ideals is freedom of association. And so it should be.

Not a fan of the three strikes laws but maybe thats what we need. I like Ixion's idea of the notorious fellon. Such a label would include non-association. Cut these guys off from their mates and their influence will fade.

[Mikkel]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topf_and_Sons

Probably the fucking russians.

Hmmm, the company went to Eastern Germany. If China is anything to go by communism don't care too much about patents. As such the plans may be considered public domain. :scratch:

[Clockwork]

Ix, pretty clearly I am (rabidly ?) on the side of freedom and liberty. Yet here, I see no problem.

Our government seems intent on passing laws that reduce the freedom, privacy and liberty of all New Zealanders.

Yet we dont need that. All we need to do is properly address the 0.5% of us that are criminal.

I don't see any problem at all with the NF idea, indeed it has my full support.

+1

How about three strikes and your a Notorious Fellon?

[Winston001]

+1

How about three strikes and your a Notorious Fellon?

Yep why not. Its a good start.

[Boob Johnson]

Ask what need they fill - then fill it before the gangs do. (phychobabble warning (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow's_hierarchy_of_needs))

Everyone has a need to belong somewhere. The most attractive option is usually taken (assuming people have any choices and or brains) and for those not fitting anywhere else... structured organisations fill that need. Gangs are one such organisation.

What was missing from the life of gang members that the gang now supplies? THAT is what we need to deliver on as a society. Once that's done, gangs become irrelevant
Whats missing?


Love :love:


Most of the people that gravitate towards gangs have had shit upbringings, their parents for the most part are to blame.


The Mongrel Mob was formed in the 60's from a bunch that had had terrible upbringings, who were then fostered out & treated just as bad if not worse by their care givers (ill never get why people adopt & then treat the kid(s) just as bad if not worse :scratch:). They basically gave up on societies rules (hard to blame them) & went around running a muck, one particular judge said to them "you're just a bunch of mongrels" & the gang name was born.


Not enough love in this world, so many of worlds issues can be solved with a little understanding, empathy & of course love.


John Lennon was onto something :sunny:

[peasea]

Most of the people that gravitate towards gangs have had shit upbringings, their parents for the most part are to blame.

:


Correct, and they find a sense of 'belonging' that they didn't have at home. It's done and dusted before they get to school.

[Boob Johnson]

Correct, and they find a sense of 'belonging' that they didn't have at home. It's done and dusted before they get to school.
Goodness only knows what the solution is, there sure isn't a "silver bullet". But we obviously need more education for general parenting skills to rise, how that should be implemented is another question altogether :crazy:

[popelli]

+1

How about three strikes and your a Notorious Fellon?


How about three strikes and you are out of circulation permanently

This would save on expensive prisons and prevent reoffending

After a person has had 2 spells in club fed if they have not learnt from their mistakes then they probably won't

Also enviromentally friendly as it would help reduce the carbon footprint caused by building larger prisons and supplying services to them

[peasea]

Goodness only knows what the solution is, there sure isn't a "silver bullet". But we obviously need more education for general parenting skills to rise, how that should be implemented is another question altogether :crazy:

Generally speaking you're right about parenting skills but it's not always the case. I know of an individual who is in Parry for life. He was convicted of murder, supposedly shot someone 'execution style', I don't know for sure, I wasn't there. However, he had neat, hardworking parents. They were old school, great moral standing, no b/s people. This guy's siblings aren't in trouble with the law, don't think they ever have been. I'm not even sure if the convicted member of this family even had any priors.

I can honestly say that, in this case, perenting was not to blame. People make a choice, whether it's to pull a trigger OR join a gang.

[98tls]

One more for the "notorious felon" idea.
3 strikes works too.
I like the idea of repeat offenders being worse and worse off the more times they offend, it should double.
If the sentence for armed robbery is 5 years the next sentence should be 10 years.

Still not sure where I stand on capital punishment, I think we need to come up with a form of exile. ;) Judges cant even deal with disq drivers let alone armed robbers,in the ODT today some bloke with 31 driving whilst disq charges was given 300 hours community work for the latest one.:bash:

[peasea]

Judges cant even deal with disq drivers let alone armed robbers,in the ODT today some bloke with 31 driving whilst disq charges was given 300 hours community work for the latest one.:bash:


FFS! I, and many other KB'ers, harp on about softcock judges and I'm sure we represent a reasonable (?) slice of this nation's population. If the majority want something done, why isn't it?

[Dave Lobster]

FFS! I, and many other KB'ers, harp on about softcock judges and I'm sure we represent a reasonable (?) slice of this nation's population. If the majority want something done, why isn't it?

Because we have a thing called democracy. You don't get what you want. You want what you get. And, be happy for it. Afterall, democracy is a good thing. The propaganda box tells us so.

[Boob Johnson]

Generally speaking you're right about parenting skills but it's not always the case. I know of an individual who is in Parry for life. He was convicted of murder, supposedly shot someone 'execution style', I don't know for sure, I wasn't there. However, he had neat, hardworking parents. They were old school, great moral standing, no b/s people. This guy's siblings aren't in trouble with the law, don't think they ever have been. I'm not even sure if the convicted member of this family even had any priors.

I can honestly say that, in this case, perenting was not to blame. People make a choice, whether it's to pull a trigger OR join a gang.
Yep that's a tuff one alright, don't know of anyone like that myself, only ever seem to hear of bad eggs coming from bad eggs but guess it does happen. Surely it would have to represent a pretty small percentage of crims one would think.

[fire eyes]

hmm .. a good question .. what is it about gangs that make people want to join ... purpose? family unit? to be acknowleged and appreciated? respect? ego? safety? glamour? ... these are some of the core attributes as to why some people join ... controlling them? taking them out of operation? banning? unless you get to the core of it .. they'll only go underground .. why are gangs operational to begin with ... because they are allowed to be .. everyone doesn't want gangs .. but not a lot of people will actually do anything pro-active, there is no unification plight to change things ... there are more non-gang members than gang members in any country .. so why do they have power? .. somethings to think about

[davebullet]

When I first read the title, I thought you wanted to know how to organise a "gang ban" :laugh:

Back to your regular programming....