How do we ban gangs?

**Winston001** · 17th February 2009, 12:13

Reading Vifferman's posts on the farmer being acquitted of manslaughter thread, made me wonder what ideas there are to ban or at least control criminal gangs.

Any thoughts?

**Dean** · 17th February 2009, 12:18

You cant ban gangs but you can reduce there numbers by banning pacthes of gangs, Foreinstance banning the mongrel mob and black power pacth would be a big start.
Also to combat the youth gangs you can ban any one who puts up gang signs, and change the curfew for teenagers 18 and under, at night time in the city/towns so they cant run around getting into mischeif at 12 at midnight

**Headbanger** · 17th February 2009, 12:25

Twice daily raids on any premises where they maybe.Bash as required.

They will soon get sick of it.

Start brainwashing the community to stand against them.

**Winston001** · 17th February 2009, 12:29

Originally Posted by Headbanger

Twice daily raids on any premises where they maybe. Bash as required.

They will soon get sick of it.

Start brainwashing the community to stand against them.

Of course Wanganui has a head start on this argument eh!

**davereid** · 17th February 2009, 12:31

You don't need to control gangs, all you need to do is control crime.

Three-strikes legislation will be a step in the right direction - most gang members would long since be enjoying a 25 year rest.

The side effect of reducing the breeding rate of the criminal world will also help.

**Hitcher** · 17th February 2009, 12:32

Before we get too excited by the prospect of banning gangs, what exactly is a "gang" so we know what it is we're banning?

**MSTRS:Me** · 17th February 2009, 12:37

Originally Posted by davereid

The side effect of reducing the breeding rate of the criminal world will also help.

Not so sure about that. Do you think the partners out there are fussy about who they bonk/let bonk?
If any act of aggression (including intimidation + wearing gang patches) carried the risk of a shooting...and 'we' could all carry...

**Ixion** · 17th February 2009, 12:38

You can't ban gangs. or you end up banning Ulysses or the RSA.

But you can enforce the existing laws. Which the police are strangely reluctant to use where gangs are concerned.

And a government that was SERIOUS about crime could do a lot more

A very good start would be to reintroduce the old concept of "notorious felon". Basically this enables a judge to say "You are one bad troublemaking cunt. Henceforth you are classed as a notorious felon"

Those so classed are automatically prohibited from consorting. And the police need no search warrant to search a property or vehicle belonging to a notorious felon, or one used or habituated by one. Or to intercept their phone calls or mail, or search their bank accounts. Nor may a NF be a director of a company. And a raft of other restrictions.

And a condition of every bail and parole is that the person may not consort with any notorious felon.

That would very quickly cut them down to size. There are no civil liberty issues in this (and if I say so you may believe it). A person is only declared a NF when they been found guilty of repeated serious crimes. So they have no right to expect the same liberty as an honest man.

**EatOrBeEaten** · 17th February 2009, 12:39

Work to remedy the social problems that result in disenfrachised young people thinking that a gang is the only way they can stay safe and be a part of something. Treating the symptoms is not a cure.

Of course, if I knew how to do that I'd be a damn sight richer than I am now....