Open Trackday

[FROSTY]

Folks Im looking to run an OPEN trackday at TAUPO track on 31st of March 2009
THIS IS FOR SERIOUS TRACKDAY ADDICTS.

The deal is as follows.
NUMBERS RESTRICTED TO 30 PEOPLE

You pay $150 for the day
For your money you get unlimited track time starting at 9.30am finishing at 4.30 ish
Ambulance WILL be in attendance.
There will be NO scrutineering
There will be no or possibly very limited marshalls. (im hoping to get someone on the track entry gate)
There WILL be a short riders briefing

Guys n gals this is how its goes. It it 100% up to us ALL to work together.
YOU need to ensure your machine is up to scratch because YOU are responsible for 29 other lives.
You all know whats expected of you from other track days.
Its up to YOU to ride in a reasonable manner.
I don't wanna see hero's out there.
You see a bin you come in and report it RIGHT AWAY
No ifs no buts no maybees.
Noone back on track till bin is sorted.
Be it we help idiot jandlee push/trailer/van his bike home to the pits or be it we need ambo.
Mind you by restricting to experienced trackdayers then reduced risk of bins
The concept here is that EVERY person out there accepts responsibility for everyone else. We all work as a team to get up to 7 hours of track time.



To be clear because this is an OPEN trackday timing equipment is able to be used AND YOU ARE UNLIKELY TO HAVE INSURANCE COVER.
Ok Theres a thread in meetings and events--this IS happening

[MSTRS]

(Re)Start of something lost?
Open slather and no flaggies? How you gunna know about that bin waaay over the back?

[Dooly]

Might be keen on Taupo.

[piston broke]

seeing as i,m not an experienced track dayer,
if you are doing puke i'll put my hand up as a marshal if wanted

[jrandom]

Open slather and no flaggies? How you gunna know about that bin waaay over the back?

Someone can usually be expected to come in and mention it!

I've been to a private trackday run like this, and it worked very well.

But it cannot work unless all attendees are level-headed and experienced track riders who understand that it's not the time or place to take full on race pace risks. Frosty's ideas on numbers seem about right.

[FROSTY]

(Re)Start of something lost?
Open slather and no flaggies? How you gunna know about that bin waaay over the back?
Thats EXACTLY why its restricted to experienced trackdayers.
Im just floating an idea here mate. Im NOT in the near future going back to the stress of a full on track day.
Maybee people ARE prepared to pay the extra dollars for marshalls and RT's. Im just thinking for those who just wanna ride with no restrictions on the time on track this might be a great format

[MSTRS]

Im NOT in the near future going back to the stress of a full on track day.
:crybaby:


Thats EXACTLY why its restricted to experienced trackdayers.
Im just floating an idea here mate.
Maybee people ARE prepared to pay the extra dollars for marshalls and RT's. Im just thinking for those who just wanna ride with no restrictions on the time on track this might be a great formatIf what you are suggesting has been done before, and worked, that's great. I can see the attraction for skilled track junkies. Do you use the circulating riders to report a bin?

[FROSTY]

I've been to a private trackday run like this, and it worked very well.
But it cannot work unless all attendees are level-headed and experienced track riders who understand that it's not the time or place to take full on race pace risks.
Mate with such small numbers it could be a case of if 4 or 5 race guys wanna have a "go" then hey go for it. -Talk to the other track dayers and give em a full lap head start.
Or maybee not --again get say 40 people keen -go for the format the majority wants to go for. the ten that arent keen dont come along
But yea Im thinking of the guys in the med/fast or fast group that know what theyre doing. The last thing I want is to even NEED to tell people about overtaking rules and looking back.

[jrandom]

Mate with such small numbers it could be a case of if 4 or 5 race guys wanna have a "go" then hey go for it.

Fair call, if it's the right 4 or 5 guys. Riding at 'race pace' can be safer than just noodling around, anyhow. At least everyone's doing the same thing.


Talk to the other track dayers and give em a full lap head start.

:crazy:

If some guys wanted to have a race, I'd rather let them have the track to themselves for the ten minutes it'd take.

[GSXR Trace]

Never done a track day, but depending on what day it is (im totally free fridays) im happy to help out iwth flags etc if someone wants to give me some pre-instructions

[FROSTY]

:crybaby:

If what you are suggesting has been done before, and worked, that's great. I can see the attraction for skilled track junkies. Do you use the circulating riders to report a bin?
EXACTLY mate--
You see a bin you come in and report it RIGHT AWAY
No iffs no buts no maybees.
Noone back on track till bin is sorted.
Be it we help idiot jandlee push/trailer/van his bike home to the pits or be it we need ambo.
Mind you by restricting to experienced trackdayers then reduced risk of bins
The concept here is that EVERY person out there accepts responsibility for everyone else. We all work as a team to get up to 7 hours of track time

[R6_kid]

I'm sure it'd get support frosty. It's just a matter of riders showing self restraint - it's an oppurtunity to go out and have fun within your limits, not pushing it balls to the wall with the hope of impressing everyone. As long as people keep their heads on their shoulders then it would turn out as a good event.

[Tony.OK]

What about Manfeild Frosty? Too far for most to travel? The hirage price is even lower still ( I think ).
Must be alot of Lower/Central Nth Is people that'd be keen.

[FROSTY]

What about Manfeild Frosty? Too far for most to travel? The hirage price is even lower still ( I think ).
Must be alot of Lower/Central Nth Is people that'd be keen.
Honest truth mate- ME MYSELF AND I is here in Auckland.
For ME to travel to manfeild is too hard.
Selfish I know
BUT hey why NOT a group get together and hire manfeild ??

[Tony.OK]

Honest truth mate- ME MYSELF AND I is here in Auckland.
For ME to travel to manfeild is too hard.
Selfish I know
BUT hey why NOT a group get together and hire manfeild ??

Fair enuff mate................I'm just waiting for PowerBall so I can build my own track in HB so I don't have to travel:niceone:

[jrandom]

so I don't have to travel...

No whinging!

Taupo's almost as close to you as Puke is to us, and you can get to Manfeild quicker than we can get to Taupo.

[Mental Trousers]

So roughly when are you thinking of doing this FROSTY?

[CookMySock]

If its at Taupo I can volunteer to help out. If its on the weekend, my whole family is likely to be keen on helping also. We are involved with pocket bike racing, so we have SOME idea about what is happening. None of us have any trackday experience other than that.

We have a pair of UHF handheld radios if thats any use.

My mate has a coffee trailer/cart that I MIGHT be able to borrow if its not booked. One of the kids here might operate it if theres enough interest.

Happy to assist, and maybe even keep my mouth shut.. :bleh:

HTH,
Steve

[Tony.OK]

No whinging!



Hey its what I do best..............:2thumbsup

[jrandom]

If its at Taupo I can volunteer to help out. If its on the weekend, my whole family is likely to be keen on helping also.

On a number of occasions several folk at hot summer trackdays have commented how awesome it'd be to have certain products and services available at the track.

I'm not allowed to specify what those are around you, though, because I'll get hammed with an 'abusive' infraction.

:lol:

But, since we both know what I'm talking about, do you think you could put your shame about your profession aside for a day and turn up fully equipped? It'd be seriously awesome.

[Quasievil]

Frosty me ole mate, in a word son, grow some BALLS, fuck the 30 riders do a full on KB one like you used to, with good backing from everyone here it will be a winner, you will get marshalls, you will get KBrs and SBrs and all soughts coming along, sell it as a fun social event with some trimmings, make it big and get what we used to have going again.

GO BIG OR GO HOME

Oh it has to be at Taupo, Puke is crap to watch and its restrictive with the track crossing etc.

For me mate I will be right behind it and happy to help even with a bit of coin and prizes dude, I will do everything I can do:yes:

[CookMySock]

On a number of occasions several folk at hot summer trackdays have commented how awesome it'd be to have certain products and services available at the track.

I'm not allowed to specify what those are around you, though, because I'll get hammed with an 'abusive' infraction.

:lol:

But, since we both know what I'm talking about, do you think you could put your shame about your profession aside for a day and turn up fully equipped? It'd be seriously awesome.Hehe, well firstly Taupo is out of my franchise area, then it is likely too small an event to be profitable to sit a $60,000 work vehicle at all day when all everyone wants to do is cane their bike, and lastly the operators are on commission (I just own and maintain the vans - I don't drive them) so they will go where the money is.

I am not ashamed about my profession. Actually I am very angry about it, since you mention it. Try 30,000 hours of your ass in the drivers seat over 20 years of abuse and see how you like it.

So I would say you are SOL there, unless you can persuade the local operator to drop in for half an hour in the heat of the day. Give them a call 08004whippy

But Coffee and maybe a BBQ I could arrange. The 14+3/4 y/o kid is saving hard for a bike, so your support will be helping her out heaps.


Steve

[Rodney007]

count me in frosty

[sharky]

I'd be a starter depending on the day.

[Kflasher]

I’ll be in…Taupo, all depending on the selected day of course.

[Tank]

I am not ashamed about my profession. Actually I am very angry about it, since you mention it. Try 30,000 hours of your ass in the drivers seat over 20 years of abuse and see how you like it.


Your ass has been abused for 30,000 hours over 20 years?

Fuck - I'd be angry as well.

[FROSTY]

Quasi me ol mate you are missing the point tis not about balls. Heck I know if I wanted to I could (and will) pick up the trackdays where I left off. BUT I see on here the serious trackday junkies want more tracktime.Noone is currently catering for these people.
AND if Im being totally honest here -I WANT FUCKEN TRACKTIME MYSELF. and thats something I just dont get when Im running a full on KB trackday. -The few laps i do get Im not enjoying cos Im so worried about some tard with a bald tyre or a loose swingarm etc.
The KB trackdays --mate you have hit yon nail on the head next one Im thinking of making it a bit of a social thing.Trackday on SATURDAY then a bit of a knees up somewhere sat night

[DEATH_INC.]

Lemme know a date WELL in advance and I'll see. Keen as but $$$$ you know....
I've done a couple of these in the past and they work well.

[FROSTY]

Lemme know a date WELL in advance and I'll see. Keen as but $$$$ you know....
I've done a couple of these in the past and they work well.
so ewr this fridays a bit too short notice then mate??

[Quasievil]

. BUT I see on here the serious trackday junkies want more tracktime.Noone is currently catering for these people.


Arrrhhhh

Motott
Redline
Kiwitrackdays

mate its catered for, your angle is KB trackday, stick with that and do another one of old with some extras!

[ajturbo]

Frosty me ole mate, in a word son, grow some BALLS, fuck the 30 riders do a full on KB one like you used to, with good backing from everyone here it will be a winner, you will get marshalls, you will get KBrs and SBrs and all soughts coming along, sell it as a fun social event with some trimmings, make it big and get what we used to have going again.

GO BIG OR GO HOME

Oh it has to be at Taupo, Puke is crap to watch and its restrictive with the track crossing etc.

For me mate I will be right behind it and happy to help even with a bit of coin and prizes dude, I will do everything I can do:yes:
i am also willing to help out......flag morning/ride afternoon or vice versa..

[MadDuck]

your angle is KB trackday, stick with that and do another one of old with some extras!

The angle of Frostys trackdays were really a great chance for KBers to get together and have some fun at the track. Hell I would never have imagined going on a track without those days.

Its a shame you have given up on the concept Frosty but I also understand why. It is a lot of work.

[puddy]

I'd be keen as, depending on the day.

[Mort]

I'd like to comment here but before I do I want to say the hatchet is buried Frosty. You said your bit , I said mine., and it's over. For what its worth, from my side, lets say more was said than should have been and I am sorry for that.

Anyway, I think you've hit on a dammed good idea here. Open pit lane days for experts are one thing and if you can get the numbers it's bound to work.

But what about a track day format for intermediate and experts. 2 groups.

These are the points which come to mind :

Both these groups crave more track time - this will give it.
Often both these groups are over subscribed even on 4 group days
Mixing intermediates with experts and racers on an open pit lane may not be a good idea (for the intermediates anyway)
These "committed" track day riders may be willing to pay a bit more for more track time so the financial sums may add up to a profitable or break even day.
It's not about excluding beginners, it's more about accommodating the needs of more experienced riders.
There's room in the market for this even if its only 3 or 4 days per year.


For this format I think the flag marshalls are essential... but I don't know how much it costs. I think it could be made to work financially. Do the sums.

I'd be willing to do admin/website/booking work but I'd want to ride too.

[The Stranger]

I'd be into that.

[sinfull]

so ewr this fridays a bit too short notice then mate??

Friday ? Shit, ok i'm on my way !!!

I'm keen ! Any format works for me ! But if as Mort has sugested ya do a two group thing, i attended a Motomart day at manfield which worked out to be 15 min on and 15 off which works ! Just enough time to come in tweek a few adjustments, skull some water and wipe off a bit of sweat, then back out there !
3RD of april would be an awsome date bwahahahaha, you would find me camped at the old pits all weekend !
Big ups to ya for getting back into it ! Far from enough track days in my book !

[FROSTY]

Quazi Mate please read this bit --I me myself -ol frosty wants to actually be out there. That does not happen and in all concience CAN not happen if its a "propper" kb track day. I spend all day dealing with endless minor or major issues. I just don't have the energy

I wanna ramp it down to being a bunch of mates who know one another out for a ride. We all look out for one another.

Don;'t get me wrong once I feel comfortable that I can spend a bit of time focussing on it the KB trackdays will be back

[Squiggles]

Discount it a few bucks if people can bring someone to be a marshall?

[FROSTY]

Discount it a few bucks if people can bring someone to be a marshall?
Sorry mate I diddnt explain it ya I guess. 30 people sighn up. I will show exact costings for the event and split the costings 30 ways. so if it costs $6510 then everybody pays $217.
Keeps costs down to the bare minimum

[White trash]

Great idea Frosty.

Rodders used to exactly the same thing at Taupo every few months and it worked mint. No marshals required if everyone knows what they're up to.

Interestingly, it's not often the fast or experianced guys crashing their brains out at a track day anyway.

[glice]

Just saw this and am keen.
How much experiance are we talking about?

[kiwifruit]

I'm happy to help out however, if you need (taupo)

[sinfull]

Sorry mate I diddnt explain it ya I guess. 30 people sighn up. I will show exact costings for the event and split the costings 30 ways. so if it costs $6510 then everybody pays $217.
Keeps costs down to the bare minimum
Phooooaaaar You could start a circuit thing happening here ! With practise days and prize giving ! No wait we already have the nationals !!
But a circuit thing would be kinda cool with the same riders attending each time !!!

[FROSTY]

OK folks this is a GO.

For the serious track day junkees
STRICTLY RESTRICTED TO 30 RIDERS.
To be honest if you have never done a track day this is NOT for you
Not being mean here but the structured days are a better bet for a novice.

[FROSTY]

That said if this takes off Im going to have a go at running a
Cherry popper track day for novices
Again restricted to 30 attendees but broken into 2 sessions
Same sorta format but Ill invite a couple of experienced guys/gals along to help run it and show lines n stuff.
It will be aimed at two groups of people 1) those nervous about getting in the way/being run over at a full on day
2) those that are keen but feel intimidated by diving into a full on day

This WILL involve rider training

[sinfull]

My names on the list !!! To be sure to be sure !
Think if i remember rightly, the last stop watch put on me at taupo was a 1.44
With 4 T/days from now till the 31/3 it will be interesting to see what a few practice days and a couple of dyno's will do to them times !

Who else is in ?
You gonna send through some payment details Frosty ?

[FROSTY]

ohh Im sorry sinfull--didnt I tell ya that its NO triumphs allowed. :innocent:

basicly mate from NOW till I sort out an account for it with ASB anyone that says DEFINITE they will be there gets first dibbs. itll be taken on the basis of date of posting

[MidnightMike]

PM sent FROSTY...

[FROSTY]

Alll good mike

[FROSTY]

I'm happy to help out however, if you need (taupo)
That would be great dude.
My emphasis on this one is to low key as much as possible

[kiwifruit]

cool, just let me know what i can do

[DVS 69]

I want sinfull's job :laugh: Shit man im gunna have to do alot of catching up to you in the not too distant future, i just cant get the time :oi-grr: I'll have fun trying ta keep up tho ah mate :clap:

[FROSTY]

ok you lot who's keen on this one ??

[glice]

ok you lot who's keen on this one ??

I'm keen if I can get the time off work.
But is 3 trackdays enough experiance, or would I be best to wait for the cherry poper track day?

[FROSTY]

basicly ya need to hold line and not ride like a prat

[FROSTY]

Just saw this and am keen.
How much experiance are we talking about?
Its really about having yer head screwed on . sticking to your lines and not red misting --definitely trackday newbees wouldnt be best on this one

[sinfull]

I want sinfull's job :laugh: Shit man im gunna have to do alot of catching up to you in the not too distant future, i just cant get the time :oi-grr: I'll have fun trying ta keep up tho ah mate :clap:

Bwahahaha Who you trying to kid here Dallas, keeping up or talking down lol !
My job here is done, i'm off camping ! Lil place just outside of turn 10s boundary fence ! See ya at the track !
Put ya name down here and book in ya leave !!!!!!!

[FROSTY]

im gonna start a new thread in events

[glice]

Its really about having yer head screwed on . sticking to your lines and not red misting --definitely trackday newbees wouldnt be best on this one

Sweet. I rekon I'm up for that.

[Cleve]

Is the plan still Tuesday 31st March Tony?

[FROSTY]

Is the plan still Tuesday 31st March Tony?
well Ivbe put money were mouth is cleve so yup 31st of march tis --you comin??

[Mort]

PM sent .. me & a mate. Let me know Frosty

[FROSTY]

guys n gals for this to go ahead i do need hands up from people who want to attend.

[FROSTY]

Right...will suss out work commitments and get back at ya ASAP :niceone:
dmented--you just do that dude

[FROSTY]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=93548

[dpex]

My names on the list !!! To be sure to be sure !
Think if i remember rightly, the last stop watch put on me at taupo was a 1.44
With 4 T/days from now till the 31/3 it will be interesting to see what a few practice days and a couple of dyno's will do to them times !

Who else is in ?
You gonna send through some payment details Frosty ?

TeeHee. Today I read about some 16 year old girl, from the North Shore, who did it is 1:33 on a 125. You wanna set up a race with her, Hairy Sir?

[MadDuck]

Today I read about some 16 year old girl, from the North Shore, who did it is 1:33 on a 125. You wanna set up a race with her, Hairy Sir?

From Orewa actually and she wont be racng for at least a couple of weeks.

[dpex]

I want sinfull's job :laugh: Shit man im gunna have to do alot of catching up to you in the not too distant future, i just cant get the time :oi-grr: I'll have fun trying ta keep up tho ah mate :clap:

Stop worrying mate. All you need to do is keep your mit off your brake lever and, of course, provide the hairy Sir (Sinfull) with a bottle of Rescue Remedy. :--)) He's hell-on-wheels when chasing the old dudes on their electric scooters.

[dpex]

ohh Im sorry sinfull--didnt I tell ya that its NO triumphs allowed. :innocent:

basicly mate from NOW till I sort out an account for it with ASB anyone that says DEFINITE they will be there gets first dibbs. itll be taken on the basis of date of posting


Geez, Frosty. That's a bit unfair. Folk who ride Triumphs are people too, ya know...well, sort've people. And if Sinfull wishes to turn up on his triple, looking like an electric fart out of a dinasaur's rectum, then far be it from you to ban him. Where the fuck else are we going to get such great entertainment?

[MadDuck]

Where the fuck else are we going to get such great entertainment?

Mostly from reading your bullshit posts. Most entertainment we can have :clap:

[dpex]

ok you lot who's keen on this one ??

I'm in. There's a reckoning to be reckoned. And with me all new Metzlers, Hair Sir, your arse is grass.:--))

[dpex]

From Orewa actually and she wont be racng for at least a couple of weeks.

My memory is fucked. What's her name, Mad? I gather she is heading for the super-bike world circuit. I think that's just toooooo cool. Not cos she's a girl, but she's a biker and a kid. No fucking virtual world for her. Real life. real kid. Great story. I'd like to meet her and shake her hand as an old flogg saluting a comer.

[dpex]

Mostly from reading your bullshit posts. Most entertainment we can have :clap:


Aw Geez. What can I say? :--))

[dpex]

From Orewa actually and she wont be racng for at least a couple of weeks.


As I said, my memory is fucked. Did she do that time on track one, or two?

[MadDuck]

As I said, my memory is fucked. Did she do that time on track one, or two?

Perhaps lay off the booze or pot. Avalon is (was) in hospital after a nasty off at Pukekohe.

[dpex]

basicly ya need to hold line and not ride like a prat

Oiy! I like riding like a pratt. I've got the munted crash-bungs to prove it.

[MadDuck]

Oiy! I like riding like a pratt. I've got the munted crash-bungs to prove it.

Yep that is the best advertisement for track days you can get.

[dpex]

Perhaps lay off the booze or pot. Avalon is (was) in hospital after a nasty off at Pukekohe.

Why not just asnwer the Q, you aging cynic.

[MadDuck]

you aging cynic.

Why thank you at least you didnt all me a bitch. Now let me see you have at least 15 years on me and crashed way more bikes then me, cant read the racing pages (lost ya specs no doubt), and think you know all there is to know about track days and racing.

I salute you....can you wheelie?

[sinfull]

TeeHee. Today I read about some 16 year old girl, from the North Shore, who did it is 1:33 on a 125. You wanna set up a race with her, Hairy Sir?
Yes i watched Avalon at manfield Mate, was one of the many standing and aplauding her as she came back into the pits ! The hell rider with the hell winning instinct, be an honour to race her ! But i dont have a 125 and i'm sure she won't be coming to round 3 on the 5th and entering clubmans just to give me the learn !




Stop worrying mate. All you need to do is keep your mit off your brake lever and, of course, provide the hairy Sir (Sinfull) with a bottle of Rescue Remedy. :--)) He's hell-on-wheels when chasing the old dudes on their electric scooters.
He dosent bloody use the brakes now


Geez, Frosty. That's a bit unfair. Folk who ride Triumphs are people too, ya know...well, sort've people. And if Sinfull wishes to turn up on his triple, looking like an electric fart out of a dinasaur's rectum, then far be it from you to ban him. Where the fuck else are we going to get such great entertainment?
I have a plan !
There's racing at manfield on the 21st, casual entry all classes ! I'll be racing that day, you should come watch me ! I'll be the scruffy hairy fella in black leathers !


I'm in. There's a reckoning to be reckoned. And with me all new Metzlers, Hair Sir, your arse is grass.:--))
Can't wait to see what the racetecs do for ya times (bout bloody time too)


Perhaps lay off the booze or pot. Avalon is (was) in hospital after a nasty off at Pukekohe.
Bloody shame that ! Not the sort of thing ya wanna see, Hope it has no lingering ill effects !

Hope like hell Avalon gets back on the bike with no ill effects as well, seeing her bouncing after the racing at manfield, during the interview was real enthusiasm !

[FROSTY]

back to the point of the thread

[FROSTY]

Oiy! I like riding like a pratt. I've got the munted crash-bungs to prove it.
one does need a trackday/crash % of less than 4 to one not to qualify as dangerous

[MadDuck]

one does need a trackday/crash % of a4 to one not to qualify as dangerous

Can you do that in English so the general KB public can understand. Because I sure dont.

[Hiflyer]

Can you do that in English so the general KB public can understand. Because I sure dont.

i think its if youve crashed more than one time per 4 trackdays then dont come. eg:if youve had 16 trackdays and crashed 6 times thats a no go

[FROSTY]

Can you do that in English so the general KB public can understand. Because I sure dont.
Basicly I'd like to avoid crashes on the day