ATGATT Muppets that don't

[Bike-aholic]

Long version of events:

In particular for one young clever bastard who today was riding around Mission Bay on his brand new 2009 Suzuki GSX1000R (which i have to say looked bloody nice) wearing what every top notch rider should wear on a bright hot sunny day, shorts t-shirt, running shoes. Revving his way through the carpark in the "check me out how cool am i" fashion. I said to my partner "he's going to look pretty dumb if he arses off that thing". He left the carpark we carried on walking. Walking around to the next bay what's this we find, bits of fairing here and there. And there sitting on the other side of the road is said clever bastard wrapped up in a silver blanket, a bit further up the road is what's left of the bike. The whole front fork was snapped off and still attached to the front wheel which was further down the road, chassis snapped in front of the tank (which is now leaking fuel). The clever bastard was all torn up shoulders, hands/knuckles, knees/legs, ankles, elbows all skinned to shit and gone. Apparently according to eye witnesses he had pulled a wheel stand as he was passing someone, a car up ahead was turning right into a street and he ran straight into the side of it. I'd like to say i feel bad for him but really not much sympathy. It's hot, it's busy wtf was he thinking?
Sorry no ****ing pics of the bike either DAMN IT. But some nice parts from the tank back that will be coming up soon on trademe after insurance has written it off.

The amount of scooter boys and wild hog owners wearing the same sort of protective gear (bare skin) is just amazing, i can see why acc is pushing for a minimum protective clothing when riding anything with 2 wheels that is motorised.

Summary:

Mission Bay
Saw young twit no protective gear riding like a chode
Saw aftermath of crash of said chode
Pain
Higher premiums for bike owners.

[sinfull]

Over it !!!

[puddytat]

Funniest thing Ive read today....man what a :tugger:

[Insanity_rules]

Oh yeah that guy was a full mensa candidate. Bet he'll now be a gear bore. Not a nice way to learn a lesson.

[vifferman]

Bet he'll now be a gear bore. Not a nice way to learn a lesson.
More'n likely, that'll be it for him and bikes.

[ManDownUnder]

More'n likely, that'll be it for him and bikes.

Can't outwit Darwin I'm afraid...

[tigertim20]

oh well, (painfull) lesson learned for him then (hopefully!!)

[xwhatsit]

More'n likely, that'll be it for him and bikes.
Yes, and he'll run around telling everybody they're dangerous and you shouldn't get one.

[madbikeboy]

This is disturbing on so many levels.

I think you got it all wrong. Some context - Movenpick is in Mission Bay. You need a very fast steed to outrun the gravitational force that Movenpick applies.

Seriously, what a fucking tool. I bags the front wheel (if it's straight), I need a front for the track bike.

[Blossom]

I wonder what the actual emotional age is when the need to be cool is finally weaker than the realisation of your own mortality?
Obviously the bigger the bike, the harder that fight becomes but sheesh...

[Grizzo]

Hope he is alright....but man, what a doosh!

[James Deuce]

I wonder what the actual emotional age is when the need to be cool is finally weaker than the realisation of your own mortality?
Obviously the bigger the bike, the harder that fight becomes but sheesh...
25 is the age blokes start to get an inkling. It doesn't sink in until 42, usually when one of their mates dies in a stupid accident or of a heart attack from all the beer and fried chicken.

For women, the simple act of being around another woman going through pregnancy is usually enough.

[James Deuce]

Hope he is alright....but man, what a doosh!

That's "douche".

[davebullet]

25 is the age blokes start to get an inkling. It doesn't sink in until 42, usually when one of their mates dies in a stupid accident or of a heart attack from all the beer and fried chicken.

For women, the simple act of being around another woman going through pregnancy is usually enough.

How true, how true.

At least the GSXR rider above has his life left to learn from his mistake. Problem, is the immature will usually blame all other factors instead of themselves. The learning doesn't happen.

I think the legislation should extend to at least gloves and jacket, and that would include bicycles that travel close to the speed limit. People may laugh at me (like they probably did 50 years ago at the though of compulsory cycle helmets), but it is only time...

[Hiflyer]

[QUOTE=madbikeboy;1963982]I think you got it all wrong. Some context - Movenpick is in Mission Bay. You need a very fast steed to outrun the gravitational force that Movenpick applies.
QUOTE]

mhhmmm i hear what your saying. i can feel it pulling me from work, rigth now. ad thats in blimmin newmarket.

damn i want some.

but yea that guy really is a twat. i personally try to never leave the house without at least my whole upper body covered. i am a bit slack on pants and boots though :mellow:

[firefighter]

The amount of scooter boys and wild hog owners wearing the same sort of protective gear (bare skin) is just amazing, i can see why acc is pushing for a minimum protective clothing when riding anything with 2 wheels that is motorised.

With the amount of head injuries which could have been prevented by wearing a helmet, I can see why ACC is pushing to make them compulsary for car drivers.....:baby:

Ohhh, and with the amount of injuries due to sliding down a pole at firestations, I can see why OSH pushed for them to be removed and for people to rush down stairs.....because that's safer......:rolleyes:

Ohh, and with the amount of child abuse going on, I can see why smacking children is now illegal.....because the people who abuse kids will only do it if smacking them is'nt illegal....(i'm sure it's more a case of "they'll do it either way") has anything changed here?:mad:

My point, is that if I don't want to wear all my gear, I won't, sometimes, on a quiet pootle to the shop, as my bike is my only transport, I should be able to.....if i'm stupid enough to be riding like a dick when not protected properly, then that's my own fault......
Who the hell want's to fuck around with 15 layers of shit to go to the shop and back?
If i'm riding a little further, then i'll dress accordingly.....
You can't just wrap the world up in cotton wool, they've done enough of that already don't you think?

[Ixion]

Y'all don't think the wheelie might have had anything to do with it ?

[Blossom]

Y'all don't think the wheelie might have had anything to do with it ?

Definitely.. Doing wheelies in busy streets with no protective clothing on is a superbly bad idea.
Doing wheelies in busy streets with protective clothing on is just a bad idea.:devil2:

[MadDuck]

Y'all don't think the wheelie might have had anything to do with it ?

Isnt there some kind of saying that gets thrown around KB from time to time? Goes something like:

"Wheelies are neither big nor clever" :devil2:

Maybe this has to be slightly adapted for those who wheelie with inadequate gear for riding a motorcycle????

[varminter]

As soon as I get the hang of pulling away from the curb without falling off it's strip off, on with the pink leather posing pouch and off I go doing wheelies:soon:

[AD345]

How true, how true.

At least the GSXR rider above has his life left to learn from his mistake. Problem, is the immature will usually blame all other factors instead of themselves. The learning doesn't happen.

I think the legislation should extend to at least gloves and jacket, and that would include bicycles that travel close to the speed limit. People may laugh at me (like they probably did 50 years ago at the though of compulsory cycle helmets), but it is only time...

I'm not laughing at ya

I'm swearing at ya

Don't try to educate by legislating - passing a law doesn't teach anyone anything. It just punishes choice.

If you want to remove peoples choices - then be upfront about it: "I don't like the choice you made (even though it risked no-one other than yourself) so I am going to make that choice illegal".

I'll still swear at ya - but wif respect.

[Squiggles]

I think the legislation should extend to at least gloves and jacket, and that would include bicycles that travel close to the speed limit. People may laugh at me (like they probably did 50 years ago at the though of compulsory cycle helmets), but it is only time...

Only a matter of time if you support it..

Fuckit, why not make all bikes over 250cc illegal, since more people get hurt riding them. No wait, better still, get rid of road bikes! That way nobody'll get hurt because they chose to ride one! :bash::bash::bash:

[varminter]

I'm all for people learning the hard way, if that's how they want to do it, I just don't want to pay for it.

[Pegasus]

My point, is that if I don't want to wear all my gear, I won't, sometimes, on a quiet pootle to the shop, as my bike is my only transport, I should be able to.....if i'm stupid enough to be riding like a dick when not protected properly, then that's my own fault......
Who the hell want's to fuck around with 15 layers of shit to go to the shop and back?
If i'm riding a little further, then i'll dress accordingly.....
You can't just wrap the world up in cotton wool, they've done enough of that already don't you think?

All I can say to that after recently seeing the way my car didn't come back from a quick trip to the shop is: :no: Please put at least a couple of those layers on, if you are going to do the trip without a cage around you. I know it is a choice thing, but you can’t choose the other losers that are on the road at the same time as you.

[zzzbang]

making all this gear compulsory is just going further and further into a nanny state, id like my choice of whether i want to wear my gloves or not. even if i make a stupid decision, its my fault if my hands get scraped thanks. wearing a helmet whenever im on a motorbike is a given no matter what or where though.

by the way, making gloves/jacket compulsory for bicycles.. come on, the amount of impracticality isnt even funny. when hit by a car you either end up with broken bones (jacket doesnt prevent this), or you end up with road rash (jacket probably prevents this). the choice of risking road rash is a choice i would like to keep.

[firefighter]

All I can say to that after recently seeing the way my car didn't come back from a quick trip to the shop is: :no: Please put at least a couple of those layers on, if you are going to do the trip without a cage around you. I know it is a choice thing, but you can’t choose the other losers that are on the road at the same time as you.

All I can say is- that I deal with what happens when your car ends up in that state at least once a fortnight, I think i'm qualified enough to make a judgement call on a trip to the shop...... (I see dead people and everything....) :yeah:

I know you mean well, but to be honest, I think i'm a lot more aware of what happens to vehicles and people at accidents than the average kiwi.....:blink: :sherlock:

I'm sure my careful pootle up the road won't result in anything too devastating.....the point of this thread is lost really, I think what should've been illustrated is that if your going to do stupid shit on your bike, keep it on the track or at least right place right time, with proper gear on.....not in a busy traffic filled area without any gear on, the fact that this guy is a fuckwitt does'nt mean the rest of us should be lumped into the same boat....

[firefighter]

by the way, making gloves/jacket compulsory for bicycles.. come on, the amount of impracticality isnt even funny. when hit by a car you either end up with broken bones (jacket doesnt prevent this), or you end up with road rash (jacket probably prevents this). the choice of risking road rash is a choice i would like to keep.

Agreed, and how exactly would this encourage people to leave the cage at home and save fossil fuels/the environment?! :baby:

I get hot riding in my gear on my bike, imagine having to ride a bicycle in your gear.....:apint:

[klingon]

...there sitting on the other side of the road is said clever bastard wrapped up in a silver blanket... The clever bastard was all torn up shoulders, hands/knuckles, knees/legs, ankles, elbows all skinned to shit and gone...

Am I the only one who feels even a little bit sorry for this guy? I mean, yes he was being stupid... but... ouch! :pinch:

[FJRider]

Y'all don't think the wheelie might have had anything to do with it ?

Naaahhhh.... just unlucky....:whistle:

[FJRider]

Am I the only one who feels even a little bit sorry for this guy? I mean, yes he was being stupid... but... ouch! :pinch:

If you ever get a chance to discuss the merits of "always" wearing your gear, with one who does NOT... you also will in future, also lack sympathy too.... Life is about CHOICES... he made one. Weather or not he makes the SAME choice again... is the indicator or his stupidity...:beer:

[discotex]

Y'all don't think the wheelie might have had anything to do with it ?

Hang on a second.... Wasn't it the cage's fault?

Or maybe the police?

:wacko:

[MaxCannon]

Many moons ago when I was about 13 or 14 school ran a sex ed class.
One of the things they talked about was the effect of STD's.
Seeing pictures of genital warts scared the living shit out of me.
As did the description "pissing razors".
It certainly inspired me to use protection. Even if (on one occasion) it required a rather awkward emergency journey to the shops "back in a minute love - just got to put on some loose fitting pants first".

Why not as part of the motorcycle licensing process show some photos of road rash (not genital warts as I'm pretty sure you don't get those of bikes).
Hopefully the whole consequence of action seed of thought will be planted
and riders will be inspired to put on the necessary protection prior to mounting up.
Perhaps even on occasions when it would be more pleasant to feel the breeze.

[Bike-aholic]

My point, is that if I don't want to wear all my gear, I won't, sometimes, on a quiet pootle to the shop, as my bike is my only transport, I should be able to.....if i'm stupid enough to be riding like a dick when not protected properly, then that's my own fault......
Who the hell want's to fuck around with 15 layers of shit to go to the shop and back?
If i'm riding a little further, then i'll dress accordingly.....
You can't just wrap the world up in cotton wool, they've done enough of that already don't you think?

Hey i have no problem on what people wear on bikes, but stupid statements like
'if i'm stupid enough to be riding like a dick when not protected properly, then that's my own fault'
would be fine if you stuffed yourself up so bad then when you go to hospitial to get fixed then YOU pay for it, thats why our ACC is stuffed to many payouts on stupidity and our bike rego goes up.
How hard is it to put on some jeans, decent footwear, cordura jacket, helmet and gloves hmm 5 things now that is hard for some basic protection, and at least you made an attempt to minimise your injuries with some protection rather than jandles,shorts and a T shirt .

The guy that crashed his bike while i can empathise with him i dont not sympathise for him.

BTW the front wheel was bent to sh*t :yes:

[James Deuce]

Why not as part of the motorcycle licensing process show some photos of road rash (not genital warts as I'm pretty sure you don't get those of bikes).
Hopefully the whole consequence of action seed of thought will be planted
and riders will be inspired to put on the necessary protection prior to mounting up.
Perhaps even on occasions when it would be more pleasant to feel the breeze.

You're odd, but in a good way. STDs and their negative effects are rather easier to sell to teenage blokes. You may have noticed that it doesn't stop people contracting them though. Just the odd person like yourself.

The very people you are targeting are the least susceptible. All those ads do is make it hard for some poor bugger who has worked solidly for 40 years to raise a family to buy a nice fat cruiser to pootle about the countryside in his twilight years. Mabel won't let him because of all those mince ads you see. Meanwhile 16 year old Trenton has to spend 6 weeks in plastics having melted anorak nylon surgically removed from his friction charred flesh. His mates will STILL insist that it can't happen to them.

I wear what I want on a bike. What I wear is determined by research, comfort, and available funding, not ACC ads. I got hurt so badly whilst "ATGATTing" that I can tell you that I'm not as hung up about it as I was.

I'm starting to think that comfort and practicality are vastly more important than impact and penetration resistance. I can't remember whether I'm talking about STDs or bike gear now.

[Whynot]

I think you guys are all completely on the wrong track.

The problem is he was riding a gixxer.
Its a well known fact that anyone who gets on a gixxer turns into a squid almost instantaneously.

blame the bike, i say.
make the roads safer, BAN gixxers !!

:rockon:

[firefighter]

Hey i have no problem on what people wear on bikes, but stupid statements like
'if i'm stupid enough to be riding like a dick when not protected properly, then that's my own fault'
would be fine if you stuffed yourself up so bad then when you go to hospitial to get fixed then YOU pay for it, thats why our ACC is stuffed to many payouts on stupidity and our bike rego goes up.

Actually, my health and disability insurance would pay for it, and because I bother to pay for those, I am not entitled to recieve any ACC that iv'e paid for with my rego.....


How hard is it to put on some jeans, decent footwear, cordura jacket, helmet and gloves hmm 5 things now that is hard for some basic protection, and at least you made an attempt to minimise your injuries with some protection rather than jandles,shorts and a T shirt .


Oh because jeans offer great protection......:blink: Great the docs now got to pull melted denim out of the exposed flesh too......
I personally would'nt wear anything short of shoes, jandles is just stupid, and I always chuck on my gloves, BUT I may only wear a jumper/t-shirt to go 10 mins up the road, and I ride carefully.........nothing wrong with that, if it's hot and iv'e got shit to do, i'm not going to piss around with a jacket on a hot sunny day.

It's not hard, but it does make taking the bike out a chore rather than fun, I suppose there does need to be kill joy fun-police out there though....

[yachtie10]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bike-aholic View Post
Hey i have no problem on what people wear on bikes, but stupid statements like
'if i'm stupid enough to be riding like a dick when not protected properly, then that's my own fault'
would be fine if you stuffed yourself up so bad then when you go to hospitial to get fixed then YOU pay for it, thats why our ACC is stuffed to many payouts on stupidity and our bike rego goes up.

Actually, my health and disability insurance would pay for it, and because I bother to pay for those, I am not entitled to recieve any ACC that iv'e paid for with my rego.....

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bike-aholic View Post
How hard is it to put on some jeans, decent footwear, cordura jacket, helmet and gloves hmm 5 things now that is hard for some basic protection, and at least you made an attempt to minimise your injuries with some protection rather than jandles,shorts and a T shirt .

Oh because jeans offer great protection...... Great the docs now got to pull melted denim out of the exposed flesh too......
I personally would'nt wear anything short of shoes, jandles is just stupid, and I always chuck on my gloves, BUT I may only wear a jumper/t-shirt to go 10 mins up the road, and I ride carefully.........nothing wrong with that, if it's hot and iv'e got shit to do, i'm not going to piss around with a jacket on a hot sunny day.

It's not hard, but it does make taking the bike out a chore rather than fun, I suppose there does need to be kill joy fun-police out there though....


Not sure I agree with the insurance thing as most insurers only cover what ACC wont cover and it definitely dosn't deny you access to ACC

but I whole heartedly agree with the rest of the post. Just because ACC exists doesnt mean we loose all our freedoms.

The good thing about wearing sensible gears is it stops me from getting sunburnt badly (as I did recently riding a motorbike up Bokor mountain in Cambodia)

[zzzbang]

lol, funny how this thread ended up with a bike trip to cambodia. although it would be an interesting trip.

[DarkLord]

I wonder what the actual emotional age is when the need to be cool is finally weaker than the realisation of your own mortality?
Obviously the bigger the bike, the harder that fight becomes but sheesh...

Sometimes I wonder if there is one at all...

Seems to be a lesson that is all too frequently learned the hard way...

[Bladeslapper109]

If you ever get a chance to discuss the merits of "always" wearing your gear, with one who does NOT... you also will in future, also lack sympathy too.... Life is about CHOICES... he made one. Weather or not he makes the SAME choice again... is the indicator or his stupidity...:beer:

fck i love your aavatour,, cracks me up

[Bladeslapper109]

You're odd, but in a good way. STDs and their negative effects are rather easier to sell to teenage blokes. You may have noticed that it doesn't stop people contracting them though. Just the odd person like yourself.

The very people you are targeting are the least susceptible. All those ads do is make it hard for some poor bugger who has worked solidly for 40 years to raise a family to buy a nice fat cruiser to pootle about the countryside in his twilight years. Mabel won't let him because of all those mince ads you see. Meanwhile 16 year old Trenton has to spend 6 weeks in plastics having melted anorak nylon surgically removed from his friction charred flesh. Hir mates will STILL insist that it can't happen to them.

I wear what I want on a bike. What I wear is determined by research, comfort, and available funding, not ACC ads. I got hurt so badly whilst "ATGATTing" that I can tell you that I'm not as hung up about it as I was.

I'm starting to think that comfort and practicality are vastly more important than impact and penetration resistance. I can't remember whether I'm talking about STDs or bike gear now.

Hes not talking about ACC ads.
Maybe just some information brochers you recieve when going throught he license process.

Some gory photos can be effective to some which is better than nothing

[James Deuce]

Hes not talking about ACC ads.
Maybe just some information brochers you recieve when going throught he license process.

Some gory photos can be effective to some which is better than nothing
It doesn't matter which Government department produces them really, does it? ACC or MoT or the Ministry of Health, it's still a Government department wilfully wasting money you and I worked hard to make. No manufacturer, riding school, or bike shop is going to pay for them. They're slightly counter productive.

The only people gory photos of butchered motorcyclists affect are non-riding partners, kids, and your Mum. I bet you haven't stopped riding bikes because of gory photos. If a gory photo stops someone from riding a bike then that's a good thing, because they probably weren't up for riding one in the first place.

[Owl]

The only people gory photos of butchered motorcyclists affect are non-riding partners, kids, and your Mum. I bet you haven't stopped riding bikes because of gory photos. If a gory photo stops someone fro riding a bike then that's a good thing, because they probably weren't up for riding one in the first place.

Agreed! Gory pics on cigarette packets have done wonders.:doobey:

[tigertim20]

I think really the message is about not riding like a fuckwit, and paying every bit as much attention as possible to your riding, the conditions, and especialy paying as much attention as possible to what the other idiots on the road are doing, or might do.
Sure accidents do happen, but wearing gear is like putting an ambulance at the bottom of the cliff.
They should put a fence at the top of the cliff, eg RIDER TRAINING. make some of these courses COMULSORY, mabye add extra stages into the liscencing, and extra test or two. Maybe even random compulsory rides for liscenced riders, so they have to prove, upon request of instructors that they havent forgotten what they learned.
I drove like an angel to get my class 1 liscence, as soon as he was outta the car it was 1 hand on the wheel, and one on the shifter, driving like a fuckwit, just like I always had.

Point is, put a fence at the top of the cliff and yeah, sure, some will get through, but youve minimised the amount of accidents in the first place

[FROSTY]

Tim. Get ya point -see exactly where ya coming from.If Im reading this right what you are saying is the guy coulda been wearing a pair of togs,bare feet and an open face lid and no problem ie he wouldnt have been doin summat stupid.
I Happen to agree with ya for 95% of the time. The whole all the gear thing really is about that other 5% of the time where no matter how good you are and how carefully you ride you end up on ya ass.
Take Graehmeboys incident. Stopped at an intersection. tap from behind and he's on the road.

[jim.cox]

They should put a fence at the top of the cliff, eg RIDER TRAINING. make some of these courses COMULSORY, mabye add extra stages into the liscencing, and extra test or two.


Should be for ALL road users - not just bikers

[dipshit]

You will always have fuckwits and wankers on bikes unfortunately. Motorcycles seem to attract these people.

The fuckwits and wankers need to wear gear because at some time they are going to crash and cost us all money.

[fireliv]

Well I for one would be happy for minimum riding gear to be introuduced if the levies go down to reflect that. Or even making gloves compulsary would be a good start. Not a problem. Figure if people cant handle the gear because its too hot they need to harden up, walk or find another method of getting where they want to go.

[PrincessBandit]

I wonder how many people choose to ride without gear after they've had an accident of reasonable proportions. Seeing people like the dude on his hot sport bike coming up Alfriston rd the other day wearing helmet, singlet, shorts and gumboots (yes, that was all) had me shaking my head. I can't help but wonder if these people have never had an off before so are ignorant of the possible end results, or whether they're just so tough that any previous injuries they've sustained isn't enough to alter their ways.

This topic is of recent relevance to me as I've recently learnt the hard way the importance of protective gear. I know I will never ride without ATG now, (had it all on except for leather pants) no matter how hot or "inconvenient" it might seem.