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Sully60

24th February 2009, 19:58

ManDownUnder

24th February 2009, 20:08

meh - Carver'd give him the learn... :tugger:

gatch

24th February 2009, 20:09

If you mean while its on the deck ?

That would be the system that helps it reach take off speed in a short distance (can't remember what its called), but it is operated by steam..

Sully60

24th February 2009, 20:13

If you mean while its on the deck ?

That would be the system that helps it reach take off speed in a short distance (can't remember what its called), but it is operated by steam..

Yeah I know about the steam catapault but if you check the rear there seems to be some vapour being ejected at high pressure at short intervals even after it's left the deck. I doubt they plumb any of the cat. steam into the aircraft.

ajturbo

24th February 2009, 20:25

talking about a steam powered jet plane eh?

awayatc

24th February 2009, 20:30

probably just unburned fuel?....
Just guessing.....
20 knots is fast in my world

Gubb

24th February 2009, 20:45

Yeah I know about the steam catapault but if you check the rear there seems to be some vapour being ejected at high pressure at short intervals even after it's left the deck. I doubt they plumb any of the cat. steam into the aircraft.

That's just the NOS system. Haven't you seen The Fast and the Furious?

Sully60

24th February 2009, 21:08

That's just the NOS system. Haven't you seen The Fast and the Furious?

True bro! I thought they were just purging the pnuematic vtec system:msn-wink:

Skunk

24th February 2009, 21:19

This is what you need to go FAST Mach 6.7 fast.

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R6_kid

24th February 2009, 21:52

Speed - NZ style :eek5:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kByY0KnM9xk

gatch

24th February 2009, 21:58

Could be water vapor ?

Number One

24th February 2009, 22:00

no eye deer but it's a cool series of clips!!!

Maha

24th February 2009, 22:04

Yip, those Skyhawks were real cool once.

R6_kid

24th February 2009, 22:07

They still are, if they werent so expensive to run and maintain they'd still be flying. I think the RNZAF pilots were the only ones in the world to do aerobatics while hooked up on the refuelling drogue - something pretty special when you think about it.

SARGE

24th February 2009, 22:07

if you mean while its on the deck ?

That would be the system that helps it reach take off speed in a short distance (can't remember what its called), but it is operated by steam..

my niece is a crew chief on the FA18 Super Hornets in the Gulf right now..

little prissy thing she was as a kid...

Brett

24th February 2009, 22:10

Check out the third ship in the second clip:gob:
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Can anybody tell me what seems to be venting from the tail of the Vigilante on take off?

There is Sweet F&CK All cooler than military jets.

Grizzo

25th February 2009, 06:46

vroom, VROOM:niceone:

Swoop

25th February 2009, 11:24

OP.
The saying "Speed is life" pops up in the beginning of that video.

Where does it originate? Bling for first correct answer.

nudemetalz

25th February 2009, 11:24

Alrighties...for you aviation-philes,...a bling for correctly answering what type of aircraft takes off on the catapult at the beginning of Sully's movie...

Clue - The manufacturer begins with R.....

MSTRS

25th February 2009, 11:33

Well that rules out Hyosung...

Swoop

25th February 2009, 11:34

nudemetalz

25th February 2009, 11:37

Should have said "except for Swoop".... ;)
Bling sent :)
and I meant designation starts with R, not manufacturer...oops

MisterD

25th February 2009, 11:49

OP.
The saying "Speed is life" pops up in that video.

Where does it originate? Bling for first correct answer.

I'd guess it probably comes from some famous fighter ace?

Dave Lobster

25th February 2009, 11:57

I'd guess it probably comes from some famous fighter ace?

Struggling to think of one more famous than the Red Baron :)

nudemetalz

25th February 2009, 11:58

OP.
The saying "Speed is life" pops up in that video.

Where does it originate? Bling for first correct answer.

I think it came from either Korea or Vietnam jet fighters-pilots.
I do believe it is not attributed to a particular person famous for saying, much like "Check 6" - looking behind constantly.

MisterD

25th February 2009, 12:54

Struggling to think of one more famous than the Red Baron :)

Ha ha, no I was actually struggling to remember John "forty second" Boyd (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Boyd_(military_strategist))

Swoop

25th February 2009, 13:12

I'd guess it probably comes from some famous fighter ace?
Sorry, but "no".
Think more about "organizations" rather than individuals.

I do believe it is not attributed to a particular person famous for saying, much like "Check 6" - looking behind constantly.
Getting warmer.

peasea

25th February 2009, 13:16

OP.
The saying "Speed is life" pops up in the beginning of that video.

Where does it originate? Bling for first correct answer.

A meth dealer?

nudemetalz

25th February 2009, 13:17

Sorry, but "no".
Think more about "organizations" rather than individuals.

Getting warmer.

Well if you're doing that then I would suggest US Navy Fighter Weapons School - aka Top Gun.

Swoop

25th February 2009, 13:20

Well if you're doing that then I would suggest US Navy Fighter Weapons School - aka Top Gun.

Sorry. Nope.

Just to keep people guessing, it is not a US saying.

Dave Lobster

25th February 2009, 13:33

I think he's an american.. so probably not this fella.

nudemetalz

25th February 2009, 14:02

Okay....me thinks it's probably German as they were the people whole really invented fighter tactics, ie Immelman turn and also the Flying Circus was extremley effective.

gatch

25th February 2009, 16:04

my niece is a crew chief on the FA18 Super Hornets in the Gulf right now..

little prissy thing she was as a kid...

That's badass, I joined the RNZAF straight out of college, no one told me the sky hawks weren't flying anymore until I had signed affirmation..

:doh:

SARGE

25th February 2009, 16:35

that's badass, i joined the rnzaf straight out of college, no one told me the sky hawks weren't flying anymore until i had signed affirmation..

:doh:

yea.. I signed up as an apache driver...

Eyes wouldnt pass the physical...i ended up doing this for years...

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Sully60

25th February 2009, 16:43

yea.. I signed up as an apache driver...

Eyes wouldnt pass the physical...i ended up doing this for years...

PIC-Horn blowing

And you still didn't get to drive an Apache:rolleyes:

SARGE

25th February 2009, 16:44

and you still didn't get to drive an apache:rolleyes:

you'll keep mate ...

SPman

25th February 2009, 16:52

yea.. I signed up as an apache driver...

Eyes wouldnt pass the physical...

Yeah..they get a bit one eyed about things like that.......

SARGE

25th February 2009, 17:01

Yeah..they get a bit one eyed about things like that.......

i was born with 2 ya know ....:doh:

i just got this from my sis in te States....from my Neice in the Gulf

I just got awarded a letter of commendation form the CO of 122 by my CO and XO here at 14, on the boat... I have never gotten a REAL award before... I was fighting a smile then I was freaked out because of what it said... I didn't realize how much I had been a part of in 122...
To quote CDR (that means Commander) G. N. Harris

COMMANDING OFFICER STRIKER FIGHTER SQUADRON ONE TWO TWO
TAKES PLEASURE IN COMMENDING
AVIATION STRUCTURAL MECHANIC THIRD CLASS
LYNDA FLEENOR
UNITED STATES NAVY
for services set forth in the following
citation:

For outstanding performance as Plane Captain and Airframes Technician at Strike Fighter Squadron 122 from November 2006 to October 2008. Petty Officer Fleenor performed her duties in an exemplary and highly professional manner while earning command wide respect. As a Plane Captain, her effectiveness as and instructor resulted in a 25 percent increase in qualified plane captains enabling the command to meet critical training requirements. She was integral in the production efforts of the airframes work center, expertly assisting in the completion of 1,243 discrepancies and decreasing work center backlog by 41 percent. Her efforts for the command have proven invaluable in maintaining full mission capable aircraft and allowing the squadron to qualify 103 fleet replacement aircrew who now fight on the front lines of the global war on terrorism. Petty Officer Flexor's professionalism and devotion to duty reflected credit upon herself, contributed significantly to the mission of Strike Fighter Squadron 122, and were in keeping with the highest traditions on the United States Naval Service.
Signed
G. N. HARRIS
Commander, United States Navy

Just so you know, aircrew usually means pilot... Discrepancies are Maintenance actions needing to be done on the aircraft... and that reason they repeat Strike Fighter Squadron 122 is because that says what our mission is and what type of jet we fly, generally.

Anyways, it's chow time.

Love you
Lynda

Swoop

25th February 2009, 19:06

The interesting thing is when women are in the cockpit, dogfighting is a different ballgame. Male Vs female thinking, changes the fight completely.

Okay....me thinks it's probably German as they were the people whole really invented fighter tactics, ie Immelman turn and also the Flying Circus was extremley effective.
Clue #2. Although not American, they occasionally play with them.

nudemetalz

25th February 2009, 19:32

You trying to say it's a pommy thing there, Swoop?

Actually reminds me of the old saying the WW1 pilots in the Royal Flying Corp used to say was "beware of the hun in the sun".

Winston001

25th February 2009, 19:32

Clue #2. Although not American, they occasionally play with them.

Motto of the LuftWaffe.

Swoop

25th February 2009, 19:53

You trying to say it's a pommy thing there, Swoop?

Actually reminds me of the old saying the WW1 pilots in the Royal Flying Corp used to say was "beware of the hun in the sun".
No, not a pommy thing either.
So many good "one line" sayings from the world of aviation! Most of them learnt the hard way.

Motto of the LuftWaffe.
Unfortunately not.

Speed is life! Think fast jet community.

Pussy

25th February 2009, 19:59

Speed is life! Think fast jet community.

The SR71 community?

nudemetalz

25th February 2009, 20:00

Speed is life! Think fast jet community.
Fast jet non-american community can really only be - Poms, Lufties, Frenchies and Ruskies.

Thinking now of Mig-15, 17, 19 & 21 pilots because I would think it would be a saying from that sort of vintage.

Swoop

25th February 2009, 20:07

The SR71 community?

Refer clue #2, post #39.

nudemetalz

25th February 2009, 20:15

Oh and Russians had/have a lot of women fighter pilots.

Swoop

25th February 2009, 20:22

Oh and Russians had/have a lot of women fighter pilots.
Sorry, that was just my comment to Sarge's post. Please ignore - it is not a clue.

Sully60

25th February 2009, 21:08

Can we answer my question before Swoop's please?
Sheesh, fricken aerial thread Hi jackers:rolleyes:

Skunk

25th February 2009, 21:16

"Speed is life, altitude is life insurance. No one has ever collided with the sky."

Sorry Sully - what was the question? :killingme

It looks like steam vapour but I don't know how or why it would vent. Maybe it's a CO2 coolant?

gatch

25th February 2009, 21:23

yea.. I signed up as an apache driver...

Bugger dude, what makes me laugh there is you probably applied to fly badass gunships before I was born ? (1986), and in 03 I sign on the line to fix choppers that have already been in service for nearly half a century, how embarrassing..

nudemetalz

25th February 2009, 21:33

Sorry Sully - what was the question? :killingme

It looks like steam vapour but I don't know how or why it would vent. Maybe it's a CO2 coolant?

Quote from another Youtube entry which is entirely believable...
"Next, that white vapor in the video seen streaming from the aircraft is venting fuel from the retractable fuel dump probe."

BALZYBUELL

25th February 2009, 22:01

when my buell 1125r grows up it wants to be just like that:lol:

SARGE

25th February 2009, 22:55

Bugger dude, what makes me laugh there is you probably applied to fly badass gunships before I was born ? (1986), and in 03 I sign on the line to fix choppers that have already been in service for nearly half a century, how embarrassing..

he he yea.. few years bro:doh:

Sully60

26th February 2009, 06:55

"Next, that white vapor in the video seen streaming from the aircraft is venting fuel from the retractable fuel dump probe."
What onto the deck on take off!?! I would like to think it's not fuel. I don't think the deck crew would appreciate Jet A1 sprayed all over their place of work.

nudemetalz

26th February 2009, 09:13

I love the smell of Kerosine in the morning !!! :clap:

more_fasterer

26th February 2009, 13:04

OP.
The saying "Speed is life" pops up in the beginning of that video.

Where does it originate? Bling for first correct answer.

RAF Gloster Meteor pilots from the tail end of WWII?

Skunk

26th February 2009, 13:26

Every source I've got says 'Anon'. It seems to have just come about without anyone knowing where from. The full quote is: "Speed is life, altitude is life insurance. No one has ever collided with the sky."

Oh, my all time fave aircraft - well, the death of one of the two built.
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nudemetalz

26th February 2009, 13:53

I agree with Skunk on both accounts.
The XB-70 Valkyrie was a truly awesome machine and I don't thnk a particular person or organisation can be attributed to inventing the saying of "Speed is life".

Evilgenius

26th February 2009, 14:03

Swoop

26th February 2009, 14:42

Can we answer my question... please?
OK. The schematic that I have, shows that half way up the tailfin there is the RWR (Rear Warning Receiver) unit. It hasn't been placed at the top of the fin as there is a major hinge-fold system that folds the top half of the tailfin!
On the underside of the RWR there is the fuel vent pipe!!!
Taaa daaahhhh!! An answer!

Nerd info: RA-5C Vigi. Length:23.35m Span:16.17m Height: 5.91m. Max speed: MACH 2.1.

I don't thnk a particular person or organisation can be attributed to inventing the saying of "Speed is life".
Last clue: It came about because of Soviet made, ground-launched anti aircraft missiles...

Sully60

26th February 2009, 14:55

OK. The schematic that I have, shows that half way up the tailfin there is the RWR (Rear Warning Receiver) unit. It hasn't been placed at the top of the fin as there is a major hinge-fold system that folds the top half of the tailfin!
On the underside of the RWR there is the fuel vent pipe!!!
Taaa daaahhhh!! An answer!

Ok I can accept that, it seems highly illogical captain to vent fuel at take off and whilst still on deck:scratch:

Last clue: It came about because of Soviet made, ground-launched anti aircraft missiles...

Well it has to be the Israelis then, they'd have the most experience outside of the US at dealing with Soviet SAM's, A-4s with extended tailpipes (the story of one landing with an unexploded SA-7 in the tail pipe is impressive) and the most developed 'Wild Weasel' F-4s, there can be no other!

nudemetalz

26th February 2009, 15:01

On the underside of the RWR there is the fuel vent pipe!!!
Taaa daaahhhh!! An answer!

Last clue: It came about because of Soviet made, ground-launched anti aircraft missiles...

errr...that's what I said about fuel vent also. Maybe the RA-5 was over takeoff weight.

i.e. SAM2's. Got to be RAF or USAF (or CIA) if it was to do with Cold War or Israeli's like Sully said.

more_fasterer

26th February 2009, 15:02

RAF Lightning pilots?

Swoop

26th February 2009, 15:15

Well it has to be the Israelis then
Correct!! Bling on the way.
Israeli fighter pilots coined the phrase and the Americans liked it as well. After the trouble the Syrian's caused and the Bekkaa Valley affairs, all quite sensible really.

The F-14 proved the worth of ample speed, when operating over the Eastern end of the Med. and conflicts therewith. Missiles launched at a speeding Tomkitty could not catch up!:first: