White Ford Focus CCP792 in Wgtn

[Str8 Jacket]

The c*nt driving this (work) car is in for a real surprise.... He was tailgating me for awhile, with nowhere to go. He then decided to pass me on the right in the same lane I was in. When I changed lanes he then started swerving from the right lane into the left lane trying to hit me. When I slowed down he slowed down so I had no choice but to drop down a couple of gears and get the f*ck away from him. I am a bit to shocked right now but I am going to report him to the Police tomorrow and I WILL be following the matter up. Beer will heal all worries for tonight...

[peasea]

The c*nt driving this (work) car is in for a real surprise.... He was tailgating me for awhile, with nowhere to go. He then decided to pass me on the right in the same lane I was in. When I changed lanes he then started swerving from the right lane into the left lane trying to hit me. When I slowed down he slowed down so I had no choice but to drop down a couple of gears and get the f*ck away from him. I am a bit to shocked right now but I am going to report him to the Police tomorrow and I WILL be following the matter up. Beer will heal all worries for tonight...

Don't wait for tomorrow, ring them now.

[nico]

you didt follow him?????? show him what carbon knuckles feel like why?
my faith in that reporting system is nill so i vote the above .:argh:

what a dick must be cus he driving a escort

[MSTRS]

And you know it was a work car, how? Signwriting? Complaint to employer too....

[klingon]

Don't wait for tomorrow, ring them now.

Yes. Do it now. While all the details are fresh in your mind.

[peasea]

And you know it was a work car, how? Signwriting? Complaint to employer too....

Absolutely. I had some young twat go hooning past me (I was in a car) one afternoon and then cut in front of some woman with her kids in the car. I took a note of the company and the rego, rang the workplace and they were keen to reprimand him.

[Str8 Jacket]

And you know it was a work car, how? Signwriting? Complaint to employer too....

Cause as he was swerving at me I noticed the decals and some company name. didnt get the name but would recognise the logo if I saw it again. I was more interested in getting the numberplate of the vehicle though and when I got home I looked it up on carjam, details are current. Guy looked like a "worker". Older balding white guy...

Im not reporting it now as I am feeling really crook with the flu/stomach thing and as it is now I am shaking so much I couldnt ride for awhile....

[Katman]

I'm not excusing his actions in the slightest but, you have to wonder whether he's lost wing mirrors in the past through no fault of his own.

[325rocket]

you have to wonder whether he's lost wing mirrors in the past through no fault of his own.

dont be a knob jockey

there is no excuse for that crap and the roads in wellington today were covered in diesel.

glad your ok

[Ms Piggy]

Hey Hels - glad you're still in 1 piece! I can only imagine how terribly shook up you're feeling right now. Take care and when you're feeling better tomorrow make sure you call the cops on his arrogant arse!

[Katman]

dont be a knob jockey

there is no excuse for that crap and the roads in wellington today were covered in diesel.

glad your ok

Did you miss the bit where I said I wasn't excusing his actions in the slightest?

Maybe those motorcyclists who habitually push their luck aiming for gaps in the traffic that were never on, or those who, because they're in a bad mood, smack off a wing mirror simply because they think they've been hard done by, should stop and consider the environment that they're contributing towards for the rest of us motorcyclists.

[kave]

I'm not excusing his actions in the slightest but, you have to wonder whether he's lost wing mirrors in the past through no fault of his own.
I've had car drivers almost kill me, but I haven't turned into a psychopath out to smash all car drivers. Yes motorcyclists have to take responsibility for their own actions, but attempting to excuse his actions (the "I'm not attempting to excuse his actions but.." rings about as true as the immortal line "I'm not a racist but...") by trying to imply that there is a collective responsibility on the part of motorcyclists is disingenious at best. It sounds to me that by defining your internet persona by dint of constant calls for motorcyclists to accept responsibility for their own safety (something that we all agree with, at least to some extent) you have grown increasingly extreme and have finally arrived at a point where you are defending the indefensible. I have heard that you are a reasonable person in real life, why is it that you insist on your internet persona becoming a caricature which most find impossible to take seriously?

[mattian]

Couldnt have said it better.

[Mom]

Cause as he was swerving at me I noticed the decals and some company name. didnt get the name but would recognise the logo if I saw it again. I was more interested in getting the numberplate of the vehicle though and when I got home I looked it up on carjam, details are current. Guy looked like a "worker". Older balding white guy...

Im not reporting it now as I am feeling really crook with the flu/stomach thing and as it is now I am shaking so much I couldnt ride for awhile....

Fair call Str8, but how about you do me a favour eh? Sit down and write out exactly what happend, what he looked like, the description of the company logo the lot. Then go and have yourself a nice hot bath and relax. Glad you were able to get out of this lunatics way mate. Do report it tomorrow, first thing!


I'm not excusing his actions in the slightest but, you have to wonder whether he's lost wing mirrors in the past through no fault of his own.


Big of you not to excuse his actions I am sure, but totally unnecessary addition to your post. Hope the hell you never meet a dick head like this driver when you are commuting in traffic mate. What a stupid friggen thing to say!

[Str8 Jacket]

Hey guy's, I actually agree with katman.... There are a number of bikers that give the rest of us bad names. Maybe he was having a bad day, not that I am excusing the lunatic driver!

[Katman]

and have finally arrived at a point where you are defending the indefensible.

Not at all.

All I'm suggesting is that too many motorcyclists don't give a flying fuck how their actions may impact upon the poor motorcyclist that comes along behind them.

Collective responsibility? Fuckin' oath - it would be wonderful if we stopped for a minute to consider the welfare of each other.

[kave]

All I'm suggesting is that too many motorcyclists don't give a flying fuck how their actions may impact upon the poor motorcyclist that comes along behind them.

Collective responsibility? Fuckin' oath.
When I have the misfortune to be driving a car do I have the reponsibility of behaving in an impeccable manner so car drivers are not poorly thought of or is there a collective responsibility purely because motorcyclists are a minority? If I was of Maori descent would I have a collective responsibility to behave in an appropriate manner so as not to bring my race into disrepute? If I was of the Islamic faith or if my sexual orientation was not heterosexual would I have to constantly behave as an ambassador of which ever minority I belong to?

I know that certain people will see any member of any minority as representative of the whole, but we should not use that as an excuse to expect a higher standard of behaviour for members of that minority. The pressure to behave is excessive and unfair, and the tyranny of expectations could easily wear thin relatively quickly. Instead of placing strictures on members of minorities, we should instead be encouraging a treatment of people equally. I know that there will always be people that judge unfairly, but I personally would rather fight predjudice than bow to it.

[Katman]

When I have the misfortune to be driving a car do I have the reponsibility of behaving in an impeccable manner so car drivers are not poorly thought of or is there a collective responsibility purely because motorcyclists are a minority?

So if you had the opportunity to (a) act in a manner that satisfied your own sense of fullfilment at the expense of others safety or (b) consider how an act of your own selfishness may affect the welfare of others, which would you choose?

[kave]

So if you had the opportunity to (a) act in a manner that satisfied your own sense of fullfilment at the expense of others safety or (b) consider how an act of your own selfishness may affect the welfare of others, which would you choose?
I would choose (b), but if another rider/driver chose (a) I hope I wouldn't be judged by their actions.

[Deano]

Don't twist it Katman. You've dug a hole.

It's like suggesting that women have a right to hate all men cause some are rapists.

[Katman]

but if another rider/driver chose (a) I hope I wouldn't be judged by their actions.

Do you live in Utopia?

[Katman]

It's like suggesting that women have a right to hate all men cause some are rapists.

No it's not, it's like suggesting a woman who has been raped has the right to hate all men.

Clearly wrong - but sadly, very often the case.

I have never said it's the right of car drivers to judge us all on the actions of an individual but rather that, sadly, it all too often happens.

[kave]

Do you live in Utopia?
No, and I know some would judge me on how others have behaved. It's important to remember though, that someone attacking motorcyclists because they have had a bad run-in with a motorcyclist in the past is the same as someone beating the living shit out of Maoris because once they got mugged by someone with brown skin. Hating all Maoris because you once got mugged by someone who was Maori is not an excuse, it should not even be considered an extenuating circumstance. We should definitely not adjust our behaviour purely to pander to peoples prejudices.

[Katman]

No, and I know some would judge me on how others have behaved. It's important to remember though, that someone attacking motorcyclists because they have had a bad run-in with a motorcyclist in the past is the same as someone beating the living shit out of Maoris because once they got mugged by someone with brown skin. Hating all Maoris because you once got mugged by someone who was Maori is not an excuse, it should not even be considered an extenuating circumstance. We should definitely not adjust our behaviour purely to pander to peoples prejudices.

Open your fucking eyes.

I'm not saying it's right to judge others by someone else's actions.

I'm merely suggesting that by considering how our actions may impact upon other motorcyclists, that same impact may be able to be lessened.

[98tls]

I'm not excusing his actions in the slightest but, you have to wonder whether he's lost wing mirrors in the past through no fault of his own. Can see your point to a degree,on my way home through town the other day in the ute i see a heap of bikes approaching in the rear vision mirror,these fuckers were passing on the right,left etc in a single lane as for some reason unknown to me they just had to be right behind there mate and fuck any car that got between them:angry:i can imagine most in cars were thinking wtf but being a motorcyclist and not to bothered really when the first 2 came up behind me i moved over to the left to let em go round me,simple i would have thought but oh no not simple enough for these cunts,the guy on the left broke left and tried to pass me on the inside while his mate went passed on the right:bye:bad move as he hadnt reckoned on the parked cars on the side of the road which resulted in the big lock up for him:Punk:when he finally caught up with me i was turning into my street so as i did gave him the :finger: as i turned to combat the waving fist which i knew was coming,Knob.If i wasnt a bike rider and saw that shit on a regular basis as some car drivers probably do then i can understand there lack of respect for us and i guess to a point can understand some of them dis-liking us big time.

[Katman]

If i wasnt a bike rider and saw that shit on a regular basis as some car drivers probably do then i can understand there lack of respect for us and i guess to a point can understand some of them dis-liking us big time.

And if you'd lost your wing mirror in the process of the situation you've just described would I be right in imagining you'd be even more pissed off?

[mattian]

"fuck me, I'm all out of enemies"
having said that! ..... got to give you proper respect Str8 Jacket for not loosing your rag in the moment and doing something to turn a bad situation even worse. You did the right thing by keeping cool enough to get the particulars of this gutter trash. Please keep us posted as to what happens.

[kave]

Open your fucking eyes.

I'm merely suggesting that by considering how our actions may impact upon other motorcyclists, that same impact may be able to be lessened.
And I'm merely replying that in the same way that I have no desire to be treated as an ambassador for blue eyed men or for people who enjoy whisky, nor do I wish to be treated as an ambassador for motorcyclists. I have had people abuse me because I have lane split to the front of a queue, should I discontinue lane-splitting because the annoyance it causes an ill-educated few may come back to haunt another motorcyclist? I have been abused for (perfectly legally) using bus lanes, should I ignore the advantages of riding a motorcycle, and instead behave as if I was in a car so as not to annoy people? You may choose to do so if you wish, but I certainly wont.

When I ride my safety, the safety of those around me, and my enjoyment is all I worry about (in that order, unless I have a pillion, and then they come first). I am not concerned in the slightest as to how my riding will affect someones perception of motorcyclists, because if I pander to that sort of mindset I feel that I am legitimising it. You may ride in a bland manner so as to upset the fewest number of people possible, you may even live your life as inoffensively as possible, and that is up to you. I prefer to maximise the fun I can get out of life, and if that upsets a few people then so be it.

[dipshit]

Clearly wrong - but sadly, very often the case.

Just show them this classic as an example of people (even the perfect little angels in KB) judging a smaller minority group based on the actions of a few of its number...

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=953967


:whistle:

[Katman]

nor do I wish to be treated as an ambassador for motorcyclists.

So if you were seen as all that was inconsiderate about motorcycling, you'd be happy with that?

[98tls]

And if you'd lost your wing mirror in the process of the situation you've just described would I be right in imagining you'd be even more pissed off? Absolutely but even more pissed off if i had to endanger my/my familys lives taking evasive action to ensure some knob on a bike didnt achieve an ending that his actions deserved.Glad the starter of the thread came out ok and agree he should without doubt go see the coppers about said incident.

[Weta]

(the "I'm not attempting to excuse his actions but.." rings about as true as the immortal line "I'm not a racist but...") by trying to imply that there is a collective responsibility on the part of motorcyclists is disingenious at best. It sounds to me that by defining your internet persona by dint of constant calls for motorcyclists to accept responsibility for their own safety (something that we all agree with, at least to some extent) you have grown increasingly extreme and have finally arrived at a point where you are defending the indefensible.

Well said that man

[FJRider]

He should have made the call about 1&1/2 seconds after it happened...

[98tls]

(the "I'm not attempting to excuse his actions but.." rings about as true as the immortal line "I'm not a racist but...") by trying to imply that there is a collective responsibility on the part of motorcyclists is disingenious at best. It sounds to me that by defining your internet persona by dint of constant calls for motorcyclists to accept responsibility for their own safety (something that we all agree with, at least to some extent) you have grown increasingly extreme and have finally arrived at a point where you are defending the indefensible.

Well said that man Fair call but if so then theres no point in having threads whinging about bad car drivers then i guess as they as a group take no collective responsibility for there actions.

[Trudes]

A bit off topic and probably being a bit picky but....

STR8 JACKET IS A WOMAN!!!
Please stop calling her a him!:rolleyes:

[Str8 Jacket]

Actually Trudes, im a laaadiiiieeeeeeeee! :done:

[98tls]

A bit off topic and probably being a bit picky but....

STR8 JACKET IS A WOMAN!!!
Please stop calling her a him!:rolleyes: Worthless without pics of the bits.:bleh:

[Trudes]

Actually Trudes, im a laaadiiiieeeeeeeee! :done:

true.... Laaaaaaaadie!!

[kave]

So if you were seen as all that was inconsiderate about motorcycling, you'd be happy with that?
No, what I have been saying repeatedly (is it that difficult to understand?) is I do not want to be treated as an ambassador for motorcyclists, if I ride in a way which people feel is inconsiderate, then I may not be happy about them perceiving me as an inconsiderate rider, but if my riding in a safe manner encourages that perception then so be it. If they saw me as "all that was inconsiderate about motorcycling" as opposed to seeing me as "an inconsiderate person on a motorbike" then I really wouldn't give a stuff about what such small minded individuals believed.

I hope that answers your question.

[Str8 Jacket]

Anyway, back to the topic at hand. If you see the mentioned car, the as katman rightfully suggests - kick his mirror off...


PT!!

[kave]

Fair call but if so then theres no point in having threads whinging about bad car drivers then i guess as they as a group take no collective responsibility for there actions.
True, complain about individuals. I definitely encounter more friendly car drivers than dangerous ones, but if you were to read Kiwibiker you would think they were all out there trying to kill us (behave like it is true, but don't believe it).

[Katman]

I prefer to maximise the fun I can get out of life, and if that upsets a few people then so be it.

'Cos life's all about you, right?

[roadracingoldfart]

Well that was a fun read !!!:girlfight::buggerd:

Hope ya get the result you want Hells and stop riding in rush hour ......



Go to work when i do and live a little easier. :lol::whistle:

[AD345]

'Cos life's all about you, right?


Can you not accept that someone may have a different viewpoint than yours?

Just because you believe in something passionately does not make that belief a universal truth.

Kave has made a cogent airing of his viewpoint and it differs from yours - that doesn't make it wrong - and it would appear that you are unlikely to change his mind.

Let it go

[98tls]

True, complain about individuals. I definitely encounter more friendly car drivers than dangerous ones, but if you were to read Kiwibiker you would think they were all out there trying to kill us (behave like it is true, but don't believe it).
Yep,read enough Kiwibiker and you could almost swear that to not wave is illegal,Harley riders are all wankers,anyone that rides a Ducati is a naturally talented rider and every Ducati sounds awsome (even though you cant hear many above the hideous clutch),its not possible for a bloke with talent onboard last years model to outride a knob on the latest with none.Many other such wonderments but dont have the time.

[dipshit]

I do not want to be treated as an ambassador for motorcyclists

No one has to be an ambassador. People however need to realise that actions have consequences.

If a rider has a hissy-fit on the way to work one morning and kicks in the door of a car because it did something to upset him...

...that car driver may now hate fucking wanking motorcyclists to the point that he would not give a flying fuck if he runs one over the next time.

Pretty simple really.

[Hiflyer]

Can you not accept that someone may have a ifferent viewpoint than yours?

look i belive Katman is right, :argue: blah blah blah people can discredit me or whatever but i dont really care, i thought a forum was all about discussion, dont join if you dont want to discuss, people turn discussions into arguments or self concious rants cos theyre afraid that someone else thinks different from them, big deal, it's kiwibiker, live and learn, thats what i'm doing.

if you dont like it, log off.

(that is a variation of "if it's to loud your too old") for you narrow minded people :argue::Oi:

[Number One]

the roads in wellington today were covered
in diesel.

Far out were they what!!! All the way through Newlands and down the gorge perfect line down the centre of both lanes :angry:


glad your ok

Seconded! Report his arse hun :2guns:

[Hiflyer]

...that car driver may now hate fucking wanking motorcyclists to the point that he would not give a flying fuck if he runs one over the next time.

Pretty simple really.

are you serious? you think that someones not going to care if someone gets run over??? :shit:

[dipshit]

are you serious? you think that someones not going to care if someone gets run over??? :shit:


Sure, why not..??

[Hiflyer]

Sure, why not..??

so people shouldnt care if you or me get run over?

geez man, do you drive a car? I certainly hope you dont pull out infront of me hahaha

[Mom]

Actually Trudes, im a laaadiiiieeeeeeeee! :done:

Thats not what I have heard mate. I heard you are a bitch of the highest order :yes:

[Ms Piggy]

im a laaadiiiieeeeeeeee! :done:
She's a lady. Whoa, whoa, whoa. She's a lady. (C'mon sing it now!)

[mattian]

The c*nt driving this (work) car is in for a real surprise.... He was tailgating me for awhile, with nowhere to go. He then decided to pass me on the right in the same lane I was in. When I changed lanes he then started swerving from the right lane into the left lane trying to hit me. When I slowed down he slowed down so I had no choice but to drop down a couple of gears and get the f*ck away from him. I am a bit to shocked right now but I am going to report him to the Police tomorrow and I WILL be following the matter up. Beer will heal all worries for tonight...

Hey Str8 Jacket. Any news?? did you report this plonker to the authorities? or, perhaps we could organise a possie to teach him some manners :cool:.....hehe (sorry Katman sir :oi-grr: ) only joking.

[Insanity_rules]

Actually Trudes, im a laaadiiiieeeeeeeee! :done:

And yet you hit like a line backer! Hee Hee Hee:whistle:

Now seriously that car... on the Hutt Motorway by any chance? I had a complete brain surgeon in a white focus (didn't get plate) with a company name on the doors move over on me this morning as I was politely filtering down the traffic on my way to work.

I was literally right beside him when he (I believe deliberately) swerved at me. No indication or smooth manouvre like a lane change or nothing and whoops didn't see you. This was a lot more sinister.

Did you report him?

[Badjelly]

...It sounds to me that by defining your internet persona by dint of constant calls for motorcyclists to accept responsibility for their own safety (something that we all agree with, at least to some extent) you have grown increasingly extreme and have finally arrived at a point where you are defending the indefensible...

Hmm, I reckon Katman's mellowed recently. I miss the old days when piling on Katman was the most popular sport on KB. He used to know just how to get under people's skins, just how to stir things up when they looked like they were going cold. He's lost his touch recently. Sometimes he almost sounds moderate. The decline started when he (reportedly) met some other KB members in meatspace. Bring back the old Katman I say!

[Katman]

Bring back the old Katman I say!

Don't tempt me.

:msn-wink:

[scumdog]

I can see where katman is coming from.

As per another thread: 'We are our own worst enemy'.

Only a lot of the 'we' don't even consider what backlash their reactions will have on other riders.

[Patrick]

It's like suggesting that women have a right to hate all men cause some are rapists.


...I have never said it's the right of car drivers to judge us all on the actions of an individual but rather that, sadly, it all too often happens.


... It's important to remember though, that someone attacking motorcyclists because they have had a bad run-in with a motorcyclist in the past is the same as someone beating the living shit out of Maoris because once they got mugged by someone with brown skin. Hating all Maoris because you once got mugged by someone who was Maori is not an excuse, it should not even be considered an extenuating circumstance. We should definitely not adjust our behaviour purely to pander to peoples prejudices.

And don't forget to add the KB classic... "I got a ticket once, I hate ALL cops."

Katman says it quite well above.... it happens.