KNOW WHAT PI##*S ME OFF?

[Eurodave]

Riding around Christchurch, getting stuck behind bloody big 4X4's & buses with me sucking in their clouds of dirty black diesel fumes, isnt there a law against excessive engine smoke coming from poorly tuned mobile chicanes??

[sels1]

Riding behind bloody big 4X4's & buses with me sucking their clouds of dirty black diesel fumes :angry2:

Agreed. Why dont they have emission tests as part of wofs? (or do they?)
I guess they blame the quality of the fuel.

But they are more satisfying to overtake.

[Motu]

You need to get out of that hell hole and shift to Auckland,then you might change your mind about dirty diesels in ChCh.

[Eurodave]

Ive been to Auckland ,once...never again!

[Storm]

Preach it brother.
And those car drivers who cant fu$%@ing drive

[Motu]

Agreed. Why dont they have emission tests as part of wofs? (or do they?)
I guess they blame the quality of the fuel.

But they are more satisfying to overtake.

People complain enough about the price of a WoF as it is - so when I have to buy an $8000 gas analyser and then a $5000 diesel smoke meter I wonder what they will have to say.If people complain loud enough then action is taken....and then they pay the price.

[Krusti]

Any one here want to adjust my fuel pump, need more deisel, nothin like overfueling the Safari!

When son had his RG150 we used to put a little oil in the tank as well (on Nicko's advice when we bought it) anyway if those bloody Mercs etc used to piss him off at the lights he would just give a nice long rev while sitting there. Funny as hell Merc covered in white smoke... hehehe trouble is he used to do it to his mum as well. Not the way to impress her at all.

God I love the smell of diesel smoke first thing in the morning......NOT

[T.I.E]

ive been riding around auckland for years, had so many near misses it ain't funny. by people who know the road coad but don't know how to drive. why are we giving them a licence when they know how to but can't seem to. driver education sucks they take vechiles for granted. i'm gonna start carrying a basball bat on my bike ready for stupid idiots and their windscreens.

[Sniper]

Yay for the smaller towns where you know the dickhead who tried to kill you. You can go to their house and blow their letter box up

[Aaron]

Riding around Christchurch, getting stuck behind bloody big 4X4's & buses with me sucking in their clouds of dirty black diesel fumes, isnt there a law against excessive engine smoke coming from poorly tuned mobile chicanes??
Tell me about it. Went for a nice ride up Evans Pass yesterday evening, down Sumner Road and into Lyttelton and back through the tunnel. Upon entering the tunnel I encountered a big ass Discovery or some such vehicle that was billowing clouds of toxic fumes, had to back right off least I became asphyxiated. :angry2:

Didn't want to get too carried away passing them upon exiting the tunnel as while I have done my 'Learners-Restricted' course the L plate stays on till I receive confirmation from Land Transport New Zealand :niceone:

I recall when in Auckland a few years ago you could call 0800 SMOKEY ? and dob in these sorts of vehicles, was that a trial? is it still in place? (nation wide?)

(haven't learnt to use the cell phone and clutch at the same time yet :confused: )

[Motu]

I recall when in Auckland a few years ago you could call 0800 SMOKEY ? and dob in these sorts of vehicles, was that a trial? is it still in place? (nation wide?)

(haven't learnt to use the cell phone and clutch at the same time yet :confused: )

Such a wonderful idea - yes it worked! And because it worked in 2006 all vehicles are now going to have an emmissions test....guess who's going to pay for it? - yes,YOU!

All because of a few smokey diesels,we talked about this on another thread...ALL diesels smoke,it's part of their design and you can't stop them doing it.Certainly a very few small Jap diesels smoke very bad,poor maintenance of course.It pisses me off that ALL vehicles will be lumbered with this test because of a few dirty ones...be carefull what you ask the Government for,they apply with a very big brush.

[Wolf]

Such a wonderful idea - yes it worked! And because it worked in 2006 all vehicles are now going to have an emmissions test....guess who's going to pay for it? - yes,YOU!

All because of a few smokey diesels,we talked about this on another thread...ALL diesels smoke,it's part of their design and you can't stop them doing it.Certainly a very few small Jap diesels smoke very bad,poor maintenance of course.It pisses me off that ALL vehicles will be lumbered with this test because of a few dirty ones...be carefull what you ask the Government for,they apply with a very big brush.
I recall when they first warned about this and said that (based on a random sample of vehicles they tested) if they'd applied it that day they'd have to ban over 50% of the vehicles on the road.

I gather that it means that in addition to taking a bigger hit in WOF fees to cover the cost of the testing gear, we'll all be having to get catalytic converters or such fitted to our vehicles (at our own expense, of course.)

I also noted a hue and cry from the importers saying "but that will drive the cost of the Jap Imports up" (mainly because they import cars that are fine except for the fact they were Red Stickered in Japan for failing emission tests.)

Maybe I should expedite my electric bike plans...

[**R1**]

I recall when they first warned about this and said that (based on a random sample of vehicles they tested) if they'd applied it that day they'd have to ban over 50% of the vehicles on the road.



...this bit sounds ok to me:niceone: ......then again i wunda if my R1 would pass?????:spudwhat:

[Lou Girardin]

Anything that gets diesels off the road gets my vote. Goddamn stinking, smokey, slow pieces of shit. Rant rant rant. In my day, blah blah blah etc.

[PSYCHO]

But they are more satisfying to overtake.

Sure are...on the back wheel.

[Aaron]

Such a wonderful idea - yes it worked! And because it worked in 2006 all vehicles are now going to have an emmissions test....guess who's going to pay for it? - yes,YOU!

Personally I'm in favor of the emmissions testing, so long as it's enforced.

Maybe... just maybe, the cost of regular services and keeping those eye sores running true will result in fewer numbers on the road. Unless you're an enthusiast most people wouldn't buy a vehicle that requires regular work, $$$, in order for it to maintain legal road status.

[Ixion]

How are they ever going to pass an emissions test ?

[Wolf]

How are they ever going to pass an emissions test ?
Wondered that myself.

I understand they're being banned in Europe. Piaggio has stopped making the Vespa 2-stroke scooters etc.

The new emission rules might mean a ban on 2-strokers.

Don't know for sure.

[c4.]

Waaaayyy back in 1970, to drive a vehicle over 1.5 tonne you needed a H.T. License. The average weight of most of those vx cruisers, and pajeros ( the vehicle, not the driver of the vehicle) is up to 3-4 tonne.
How can LTSA put such a huge amount of attention on bikers, then let very unexperienced drivers loose in vehicles of such magnitude???????

[Indiana_Jones]

Riding around Christchurch, getting stuck behind bloody big 4X4's & buses with me sucking in their clouds of dirty black diesel fumes, isnt there a law against excessive engine smoke coming from poorly tuned mobile chicanes??

lol I know what you mean, I hate being stuck behind some smokey piece of shit, Plus I almost got taken out by an asian in a Big horn :confused: that was scary lol

-Indy

[Motu]

Personally I'm in favor of the emmissions testing, so long as it's enforced.

Maybe... just maybe, the cost of regular services and keeping those eye sores running true will result in fewer numbers on the road. Unless you're an enthusiast most people wouldn't buy a vehicle that requires regular work, $$$, in order for it to maintain legal road status.

The emission testing will be done on vehicles registerd after 2006,gradualy they will be brought in for older vehicles....if the vehicle didn't have to comply with emisions when built,it won't have to comply with them after 2006.So what vehicles are they? ....diesels....and motorcycles for a start,get those diesels off the road and you penalise the bikes.I agree with the dirty diesels to a certain degree - as I mentioned all diesels will smoke (white when cold,black under load) but not too excessivly,when I worked for a major trucking fleet with our own diesel shop we replaced injectors every 6 mths and reconed the injector pump every 12,we are talking big kms here though.

[Blakamin]

why dont the exhausts just point up???? then they dont blow into face, into your windows and into your children....
why do buses (probably the worst culprits) and shitty rigid trucks point it directly at peoples window height??? why is this allowed?? If a car zorst pointed into another car they'd ban it....
I'd prefer my daughter not to have this crap aimed at her window everytime the mrs passes a bus...

[Ixion]

Waaaayyy back in 1970, to drive a vehicle over 1.5 tonne you needed a H.T. License. The average weight of most of those vx cruisers, and pajeros ( the vehicle, not the driver of the vehicle) is up to 3-4 tonne.
How can LTSA put such a huge amount of attention on bikers, then let very unexperienced drivers loose in vehicles of such magnitude???????

Easy. Cos there are very few SUV drivers killed. They just kill everybody else. :angry2: (Disclaimer : I myself drive a Pajero - the very old Dakar one. Sport it sure ain't , but I treat it with the gentleness that is required in a vehicle that can turn in 0 to 100 acceleration times in the sub 5's (5 hours that is !)

[Jackrat]

Waaaayyy back in 1970, to drive a vehicle over 1.5 tonne you needed a H.T. License. The average weight of most of those vx cruisers, and pajeros ( the vehicle, not the driver of the vehicle) is up to 3-4 tonne.
How can LTSA put such a huge amount of attention on bikers, then let very unexperienced drivers loose in vehicles of such magnitude???????

I don't know where you get your facts mate but mine was one of the early ones an wheighed just on one ton.
The newer models ain't that heavy.
3-4 tonne bugger off,my 17meter truck only wheighs 6 an it's a shit load bigger than ANY 4X4.
BTW you should see the black cloud I can make by ridding the engine brake an then giving the gas a kick as I pass a push bike.
Do it to bikers that tail gate me to.
Fucking exellent :killingme

[TonyB]

Haven't read the whole post, so maybe someones mentioned it: theres a TV program about women who manage peoples rental properties- there was this young woman who was driving around in the rain, windows all badly misted up "I can't see a fucken thing" PEELING AN ORANGE WITH BOTH HANDS WHILE SHE WAS DRIVING. Stupid, stupid stupid!!! The narator didn't seem to think it was out of the ordinary...

[Jackrat]

why dont the exhausts just point up???? then they dont blow into face, into your windows and into your children....
why do buses (probably the worst culprits) and shitty rigid trucks point it directly at peoples window height??? why is this allowed?? If a car zorst pointed into another car they'd ban it....
I'd prefer my daughter not to have this crap aimed at her window everytime the mrs passes a bus...

Got a real low car mate,my exhaust is on the right side an it's about 1 foot off the road.
But on a slightly different subject,but not by much.
Was coming down the southern just this afternoon when I spot an Fxr Suzuki about to try splitting between the truck I was beside an myself.
Well my trailer is way over size and has many signs on it to say as much,but young bikers being the blind fucks they are this guy was going to give it a go anyway.So saved his life I did,flicked on the engine brake an tapped the gas,
Fuck he just about disapaired in the huge black cloud I dumped right in his lap.
He probably thinks I'm a cunt.
Odd that :yeah:

[Blakamin]

Got a real low car mate,my exhaust is on the right side an it's about 1 foot off the road.

yeah.. the missus' mazda lantis is pretty low... actually lower than my cousins mr2...
that'd be a change coz the one on my work van is over a foot off the road... what about the trucks that have them exiting just behind the cab... at chassis level?

seeing as it is a truck, why doesn't the pipe run up??? wouldn't be hard to run behind the cab of 90% of trucks and up the back (on the inside) of buses.. they do it in other countries....
as for the other bit with the smoking-a-biker-on-purpose... anyone did that to me would end up with a broken truck... :yeah: :whocares:

[c4.]

I don't know where you get your facts mate but mine was one of the early ones an wheighed just on one ton.
The newer models ain't that heavy.
3-4 tonne bugger off,my 17meter truck only wheighs 6 an it's a shit load bigger than ANY 4X4.
BTW you should see the black cloud I can make by ridding the engine brake an then giving the gas a kick as I pass a push bike.
Do it to bikers that tail gate me to.
Fucking exellent :killingme
payload/ road user blow hard, you sound like quite the truckie a/hole I don't wanna be.

[Jackrat]

yeah.. the missus' mazda lantis is pretty low... actually lower than my cousins mr2...
that'd be a change coz the one on my work van is over a foot off the road... what about the trucks that have them exiting just behind the cab... at chassis level?

seeing as it is a truck, why doesn't the pipe run up??? wouldn't be hard to run behind the cab of 90% of trucks and up the back (on the inside) of buses.. they do it in other countries....
as for the other bit with the smoking-a-biker-on-purpose... anyone did that to me would end up with a broken truck... :yeah: :whocares:

Well I can understand your concerns on exhaust hight but I don't know the answer to that,you'd have to talk to LTSA or someone similar.
As to the comment about broken trucks,,,Would you rather see a broken biker.I know I wouldn't,he wasn't going to make it so I make no apoligies for that and I'll do it again in a flash.Car drivers ain't the only ones that don't see what's right in front of them,Next time he will just have to open his eyes.

[Jackrat]

payload/ road user blow hard, you sound like quite the truckie a/hole I don't wanna be.

Your new here so I'll go easy on ya' this time.
But I gott'a say,you sound like QUITE the type of sucker I like.
I do hope you stick around. :niceone:

[inlinefour]

Yes being stuck a diesel can be a pain in the arse. But I suspect that it would result in economic disaster to remove them from the road. Yea they some more than other forms transport and they run much better when in good condition and are well tuned. However the biggest joke I've found on the road is petrol cars/vans etc which have stuffed rings and smoke like a chimney. Last one was owned by a hippy I think. Had save the trees Albatross etc on the back. Apparently the twat did not care ebout the environment. Thw sad fact of the matter is that we need diesel vehicles on the road for many purposes, and that will not change. Perhaps all those who are complaining with avengance should consider riding a push bike instead. Otherwise the fact that yourselves are running a CO2 emitting machine makes you a slight hypocryte, does it not?

[Skunk]

As I understand it diesels are cleaner running than cars anyway; true?
I mean for the black smoke they produce... it's not as toxic as cars... :confused:

[inlinefour]

As I understand it diesels are cleaner running than cars anyway; true?
I mean for the black smoke they produce... it's not as toxic as cars... :confused:

If the motor is in good condition and well maintianed then it is not worse now that they mix of diesel on sale has changed. At least that is what I've been told...
:wari:

[Jackrat]

Yes being stuck a diesel can be a pain in the arse. But I suspect that it would result in economic disaster to remove them from the road. Yea they some more than other forms transport and they run much better when in good condition and are well tuned. However the biggest joke I've found on the road is petrol cars/vans etc which have stuffed rings and smoke like a chimney. Last one was owned by a hippy I think. Had save the trees Albatross etc on the back. Apparently the twat did not care ebout the environment. Thw sad fact of the matter is that we need diesel vehicles on the road for many purposes, and that will not change. Perhaps all those who are complaining with avengance should consider riding a push bike instead. Otherwise the fact that yourselves are running a CO2 emitting machine makes you a slight hypocryte, does it not?

Oh come on man, your talking common sence again.
You've been here long enough to know better.
Even push bikes are made of steel,alloy ect ect.
It's about feeling more rightous than tho' nothing to do with reality.
But carry on I like hippy storys :niceone:

[inlinefour]

Oh come on man, your talking common sence again.
You've been here long enough to know better.
Even push bikes are made of steel,alloy ect ect.
It's about feeling more rightous than tho' nothing to do with reality.
But carry on I like hippy storys :niceone:

Yea I've been here long enough, but I've also just been on a month long holiday and sanity has finally returned to my life.
I pulled beside the dude in the hippy van and asked how he planned on saving any animals when he was driving the discrace that he was?
I was told in no uncertian terms to "fuck you and fuck off"!
Times like this when I get the feeling that the dole should be axed...

[Jackrat]

Yea I've been here long enough, but I've also just been on a month long holiday and sanity has finally returned to my life.
I pulled beside the dude in the hippy van and asked how he planned on saving any animals when he was driving the discrace that he was?
I was told in no uncertian terms to "fuck you and fuck off"!
Times like this when I get the feeling that the dole should be axed...

Amen to that last bit,an welcome back. :niceone:

[Motu]

What pisses me off is how the public..and some posters on this thread,have been duped into the whole smokey vehicle deal and therefore pushed emission testing on the strength of the obvious smokey and smelly diesel - when in fact a petrol powered car running a tad rich,or a tad lean is pumping out wholesale hydrocarbons,carbon monoxide and nitros oxides without a sign of it from the exhaust pipe.Oh,you stupid suckers,talk about shoot yourself in the foot!

And you oh so righteous motorcycle riders,who are riding one of the most dirty vehicles on the road,your bikes are one of the worst offenders.A motorcycle is very inefficiant as far as emissions go - a combustion chamber designed for power,not clean burning,single carb per cyl giving low gas speed,a non heated inlet track not vapourising the fuel,a needle type main jet not fully atomising the fuel,an inefficiant ignition with very short burn time not fully combusting the fuel...and after this total emission fuck up,they don't even have a cat converter to clean up the mess.

And you complain about diesels - even a smokey diesel is putting out less crap into the atmoshere than your toy.

[inlinefour]

What pisses me off is how the public..and some posters on this thread,have been duped into the whole smokey vehicle deal and therefore pushed emission testing on the strength of the obvious smokey and smelly diesel - when in fact a petrol powered car running a tad rich,or a tad lean is pumping out wholesale hydrocarbons,carbon monoxide and nitros oxides without a sign of it from the exhaust pipe.Oh,you stupid suckers,talk about shoot yourself in the foot!

And you oh so righteous motorcycle riders,who are riding one of the most dirty vehicles on the road,your bikes are one of the worst offenders.A motorcycle is very inefficiant as far as emissions go - a combustion chamber designed for power,not clean burning,single carb per cyl giving low gas speed,a non heated inlet track not vapourising the fuel,a needle type main jet not fully atomising the fuel,an inefficiant ignition with very short burn time not fully combusting the fuel...and after this total emission fuck up,they don't even have a cat converter to clean up the mess.

And you complain about diesels - even a smokey diesel is putting out less crap into the atmoshere than your toy.

Could not have put it any better that that Motu, good on ya! :2thumbsup

[inlinefour]

Amen to that last bit,an welcome back. :niceone:

Got to wonder if the previous peeps doing the complaining actually read up on the topic, or just started without much thought...
I guess we all can do that (sometimes), but age, common sense and a good holiday helps...

[Blakamin]

I'm not complaining about what's in the smoke... I dont want my daughter breating it in.... I dont care what it is... there are particles in that smoke that end up in your lungs... I dont care if they are not as bad as cars, I still think lungs weren't invented to breathe diesel... so why can't it be vented upwards???
simple really...
and honda, the topic is "KNOW WHAT PI##*S ME OFF?" I read it... i'm tellin ya... and smokey cars with fucked rings burn oil... doesn't diesel come from oil??
motu, my bike may well be worse, but it doesn't spend the time on the road that trucks and buses do... (unfortunately) and my zorst doesn't aim in peoples windows

[Motu]

All very fine venting exhaust up - but the carbon particles are heavier than air and go down,why not point them down in the first place.Some of the Euro trucks are coming out with particle traps to catch and hold the carbon particles,a good step I would think,but a bit hard to retrofit.Kinda like retrofitting a cat converter on a bike,not an easy task if it's not designed to be there.I agree it's not nice to have shit blown in your face,and who knows what they will find in 20 yrs about diesel smoke,but at this present point in time it's the petrol engine that's doing the damage to our own and the planets health.The diesel is pretty efficiant,but you'll be happy to know that the modern diesel is even better,with common rail electronic computer controled fuel injectors,partical traps etc,the diesel engine has always been leaps and bounds ahead of the petrol engine.

[Blakamin]

All very fine venting exhaust up - but the carbon particles are heavier than air and go down,why not point them down in the first place.
At least they would be more dispersed...not just a cloud in yer face


The diesel is pretty efficiant,but you'll be happy to know that the modern diesel is even better,with common rail electronic computer controled fuel injectors,partical traps etc,the diesel engine has always been leaps and bounds ahead of the petrol engine.
glad to hear it... when is it gunna happen here tho... do we have to wait ten to fifteen years???
they weren't putting that shit on anything 3 years ago... still the same dinosaurs they've been making for 40 years... (well, kenworth anyway)

[Motu]

The Yanks and Euros are doing it,the Japs seem to be lagging behind in the development of diesels,kinda strange you'd think.I have never liked the small Jap diesels,like everything below 3.5 litres,they are short term motors no better designed than a petrol engine - and they are also the ones getting the finger pointed at them because they put out heaps of black smoke.Some of the later Big Horns are fly by wire,but I have never seen a common rail myself yet, I only work on everyday cars and light commercials of the public,not some up to date modern efficiant fleet.

[Blakamin]

cool...

I worked at kenworth in Aus a few years back and they use any engine the customer wants (outta their lst) and most were still using old "tried and true" engines then... spose if you are doin a million ks and 95% are out in the bush, you gotta be able to fix it yerself.... (KW melbourne is the only KW manufacturer in oceania/australasi/SE Asia... all the kiwi ones come from there)
maybe the japanese should get their shit together... aren't they meant to lead technology???

[inlinefour]

I'm not complaining about what's in the smoke... I dont want my daughter breating it in.... I dont care what it is... there are particles in that smoke that end up in your lungs... I dont care if they are not as bad as cars, I still think lungs weren't invented to breathe diesel... so why can't it be vented upwards???
simple really...
and honda, the topic is "KNOW WHAT PI##*S ME OFF?" I read it... i'm tellin ya... and smokey cars with fucked rings burn oil... doesn't diesel come from oil??
motu, my bike may well be worse, but it doesn't spend the time on the road that trucks and buses do... (unfortunately) and my zorst doesn't aim in peoples windows

The economy would be in a pickle of some people had their way and removed the diesel engine from the road, just think of the consequences of that! No haulage for a start. Yes all petrol chemicals, i.e. petrol and diesel are refined from oil. But to say the problem will be fixed by removing diesels, won't do it. Rather each engine that rus on the road should be checked at WOF time and if its in poor condition, then fail it. Would sort most I would like to think and get a few off the road that should not be there (including petrol engines). The only easy solution is not to go into places where you know that polution caused by vehicles is a problem. Heck there has been plenty of times when I had to close all wy windows in my Surf and put the air con on, as to aviod unpleasent fumes. But the point I'm trying to make is that only a fraction of that polution is coming from diesel engines. I might be lucky living in NP and not get into the predicaments that big city dwellers do, but I believe that a well maintianed diesel has got just as much right to be on the road as anyone here on their bike. :spudwave:

[inlinefour]

cool...

I worked at kenworth in Aus a few years back and they use any engine the customer wants (outta their lst) and most were still using old "tried and true" engines then... spose if you are doin a million ks and 95% are out in the bush, you gotta be able to fix it yerself.... (KW melbourne is the only KW manufacturer in oceania/australasi/SE Asia... all the kiwi ones come from there)
maybe the japanese should get their shit together... aren't they meant to lead technology???

It all boils down to the end user of a motor vehicle and how well they are going to maintian it. Puts some standards in place at WOF time and maybe some people would improve that standard? I hate being stuck behind a high preformance two stroke thats gving it shit. But not enough to say that they should not be there...

[Blakamin]

ffs, honda, you spout
but I believe that a well maintianed diesel has got just as much right to be on the road and
But not enough to say that they should not be there...

WHERE do I say I want them off the road????

I said I WANT THE EXHAUST TO POINT UP!!!!!

did you read any of what I was writing???? or you
just started without much thought...


and why quote me in the above post?? What you wrote has nothing to do with what I wrote.... (which was a reply (of sorts) to motu)

[Lou Girardin]

And you oh so righteous motorcycle riders,who are riding one of the most dirty vehicles on the road,your bikes are one of the worst offenders.A motorcycle is very inefficiant as far as emissions go - a combustion chamber designed for power,not clean burning,single carb per cyl giving low gas speed,a non heated inlet track not vapourising the fuel,a needle type main jet not fully atomising the fuel,an inefficiant ignition with very short burn time not fully combusting the fuel...and after this total emission fuck up,they don't even have a cat converter to clean up the mess.

And you complain about diesels - even a smokey diesel is putting out less crap into the atmoshere than your toy.

Not so much now Motu, we're now blessed with cats, EFI, almost the whole nine yards. Makes me proud of my old, dirty, lethal Bandit with the huge, gas guzzling oversize main jets.
Die tree huggers!

[Motu]

Not so much now Motu, we're now blessed with cats, EFI, almost the whole nine yards. Makes me proud of my old, dirty, lethal Bandit with the huge, gas guzzling oversize main jets.
Die tree huggers!

Yep,it'll all be standard gear very soon,trials bikes are being pushed to 4 stroke now,the big clean up on the motorcycle is underway.I was looking at a Stihl weedeater one of my lawnmowing contractors just got - ''it's a 4 stroke'' he said..''crap! no way is that a 4 stroke motor''...it was,it even ran premix,although I dunno how a 4 stroke running premix is gunna help on the emissions end...but yeah,a 4 stroke weedeater running on 2 stroke fuel!

[Clockwork]

Haven't read the whole post, so maybe someones mentioned it: theres a TV program about women who manage peoples rental properties- there was this young woman who was driving around in the rain, windows all badly misted up "I can't see a fucken thing" PEELING AN ORANGE WITH BOTH HANDS WHILE SHE WAS DRIVING. Stupid, stupid stupid!!! The narator didn't seem to think it was out of the ordinary...

I saw that program..... and the stupid (censored) was complaining about someone else's driving!! :angry2:

[bungbung]

I don't know where you get your facts mate but mine was one of the early ones an wheighed just on one ton.
The newer models ain't that heavy.
3-4 tonne bugger off,my 17meter truck only wheighs 6 an it's a shit load bigger than ANY 4X4.
BTW you should see the black cloud I can make by ridding the engine brake an then giving the gas a kick as I pass a push bike.
Do it to bikers that tail gate me to.
Fucking exellent :killingme

I took our work van (Chevy Express) to the tip last week, on the weighbridge it was 3512kg or so. We have got a new V8 landcruiser which weighs about the same. Just below the limit for needing a HT licence.

[inlinefour]

ffs, honda, you spout and

WHERE do I say I want them off the road????

I said I WANT THE EXHAUST TO POINT UP!!!!!

did you read any of what I was writing???? or you


and why quote me in the above post?? What you wrote has nothing to do with what I wrote.... (which was a reply (of sorts) to motu)

Like allways you bite like a rattle snake...
Oh and I don't like your chance of getting the exhaust the way you want. Plenty of cars that could do the same, but how ugly would that be? Yes I read your post, all of it. You getting upset again because I disagree?

[inlinefour]

I took our work van (Chevy Express) to the tip last week, on the weighbridge it was 3512kg or so. We have got a new V8 landcruiser which weighs about the same. Just below the limit for needing a HT licence.

Many of them around and they weigh mush less than that. :spudwave:

[Blakamin]

Like allways you bite like a rattle snake...
Oh and I don't like your chance of getting the exhaust the way you want. Plenty of cars that could do the same, but how ugly would that be? Yes I read your post, all of it. You getting upset again because I disagree?
No... I'm pissed off because in every reply that you quote me, you say something about getting them off the road.. WHICH I NEVER FUCKIN SAID... and you say "why dont people read the topic".... read the fucking posts!!!!
I want the black, smelly shit to go UP!!! how hard is that for you to understand???????
I never mentioned cars exhausts pointing up
It is not ugly on trucks... trucks have cabs... with, more often than not, an engine under it... and they are separate from the chassis... think about it...
I bite because you have no FUCKING idea!!!!

[inlinefour]

No... I'm pissed off because in every reply that you quote me, you say something about getting them off the road.. WHICH I NEVER FUCKIN SAID... and you say "why dont people read the topic".... read the fucking posts!!!!
I want the black, smelly shit to go UP!!! how hard is that for you to understand???????
I never mentioned cars exhausts pointing up
It is not ugly on trucks... trucks have cabs... with, more often than not, an engine under it... and they are separate from the chassis... think about it...
I bite because you have no FUCKING idea!!!!

You bite because you can be rude and obnoctious. I carried on the topic from the rest of the thread and actually never said that "you" want them off the road at all, just that there are plenty of poorly running vehicles on the road. You needing a holiday mate? :brick:

[Blakamin]

You bite because you can be rude and obnoctious. I carried on the topic from the rest of the thread and actually never said that "you" want them off the road at all, just that there are plenty of poorly running vehicles on the road. You needing a holiday mate? :brick:
you quote me everytime when nothing I have said has any relevence to what you are saying!!!!! farqin hell, honda.... use yer head!!! think about it!! again!!!

do you have no idea of the reasons you quote people??? you quote people to respond to their comment... not for the hell of it.... http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/image.php?action=posting

If not aimed at me...then DON'T FUCKIN QUOTE ME!!!!! quote the person or persons it is aimed at... dont quote for the hell of it.... it is fucking stupid

[inlinefour]

you quote me everytime when nothing I have said has any relevence to what you are saying!!!!! farqin hell, honda.... use yer head!!! think about it!! again!!!

Your like a Bull seeing a red rag. I hate to tell you this but your not allways right :whocares:
I said "if they are removed from the road", not that you reckon they need to...

[Blakamin]

read my edited version... i never said I was right...
in fact, I might agree with some of your shit, but learn when and when not to quote people...

[inlinefour]

read my edited version... i never said I was right...
in fact, I might agree with some of your shit, but learn when and when not to quote people...

reading stuff on the internet can give people varying views of a post, depending on the readers life experiences. Read my rep point I gave you, might help? :done:

[Blakamin]

honda... its called "netiquette (http://www.google.co.nz/search?num=100&hl=en&q=netiquette&btnG=Search) "... and I couldnt give a frig about rep points...

[inlinefour]

honda... its called "netiquette (http://www.google.co.nz/search?num=100&hl=en&q=netiquette&btnG=Search) "... and I couldnt give a frig about rep points...

I could not really give a toss on why your getting so upset over some storm in a tea cup. You clearly need to get a life mate.
However I liked reading through the netiquette and it looks like you need to also update yourself with it. Some of the rules are only there for you to follow if you feel like it?

[inlinefour]

Heres a note from the sponser for all you out there who are finding life rather stressful...

[Smokey]

Wondered that myself.

I understand they're being banned in Europe. Piaggio has stopped making the Vespa 2-stroke scooters etc.

The new emission rules might mean a ban on 2-strokers.

Don't know for sure.

Hi All,

Hopefully not, I have a copy of the PROPROSED 2006 emission tests/standard from some guvvernment website and the 'vehicle classes' covered ALL have four wheels (bikes are not part of the testing process)..so 2 smoke bikes should be ok.. :banana: ..I checked it out before I got the KRR this year....

[Wolf]

Hi All,

Hopefully not, I have a copy of the PROPROSED 2006 emission tests/standard from some guvvernment website and the 'vehicle classes' covered ALL have four wheels (bikes are not part of the testing process)..so 2 smoke bikes should be ok.. :banana: ..I checked it out before I got the KRR this year....
Ahh, finally the government has recognised the inherent superiority of motorcycles over four-wheelers. Pack up the website guys, our work here is done.

[Storm]

Ahh, finally the government has recognised the inherent superiority of motorcycles over four-wheelers. Pack up the website guys, our work here is done.
But then what we do with all that spare time we'd have? :confused:

[inlinefour]

But then what we do with all that spare time we'd have? :confused:

More riding? :niceone:

[crazylittleshit]

Lots more riding :yeah:

[inlinefour]

Lots more riding :yeah:

and a faster bike hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, FIREBLADE!

[Lou Girardin]

I took our work van (Chevy Express) to the tip last week, on the weighbridge it was 3512kg or so. We have got a new V8 landcruiser which weighs about the same. Just below the limit for needing a HT licence.

I think it's 4500 kilos for an HT now. Those things will go close with a full load of passengers and luggage.

[idb]

I knew that I'd seen something in the news about this last year.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?ObjectID=3573504
Sorry about the clumsy editting below;

Ask an Aucklander about the brown cloud and you'll probably be told the city doesn't really have a smog problem because most days the wind blows it away. Tell an Aucklander that despite the wind, 253 citizens die earlier than they should each year because of traffic pollution and you'll get a blank stare - Jafa denial.

The 253 premature Aucklander deaths statistic comes from a wider study by Fisher and others - Health effects due to motor vehicle air pollution in New Zealand - for the Ministry of Transport in 2002.
The report estimates some 399 premature deaths occur nationally because of vehicle emissions. That's out of a total of 970 people "experiencing premature mortality" due to particulate pollution from all sources including burning and home heating

In Auckland the main culprit is vehicles - a moving target (as long as you're not driving in rush hour) that's much more difficult to control.

Which is where the next bunch of regulations - vehicle emission standards, coupled with improvements in the sulphur and benzene content of fuel - come into play. Compulsory in-service vehicle emission testing as part of the warrant of fitness is due to come into effect in the middle of 2006. Around the same time sulphur in diesel will be reduced down from the current 500 parts per million (ppm) to 50ppm.

In the interim Kuschel, who sees diesel particulate as her number one enemy, will continue to try to educate Aucklanders in denial. "The biggest problem in Auckland is the rise of the urban assault vehicle - the four-wheel-drive.

A lot are fuelled by diesel and the problem is that the particulate that comes from diesel exhausts is very carcinogenic - a thing called a polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbon which is in effect a whole pile of benzene rings. In theory it's more toxic than dioxin."

[Motu]

Toll ya so!

[Timber020]

Yep,it'll all be standard gear very soon,trials bikes are being pushed to 4 stroke now,the big clean up on the motorcycle is underway.I was looking at a Stihl weedeater one of my lawnmowing contractors just got - ''it's a 4 stroke'' he said..''crap! no way is that a 4 stroke motor''...it was,it even ran premix,although I dunno how a 4 stroke running premix is gunna help on the emissions end...but yeah,a 4 stroke weedeater running on 2 stroke fuel!


Yeah, what they refer to 4mix engines are becoming bigger each year, especially in the US. Its better on emissions as it burns the fuel more completely. They have modified alot of chainsaws to burn more cleanly by restricting the exhaust to get a hotter burn, but it tends to just reduce their operational life by causing excessive heat on the piston and cylinder. We will be seeing alot more 4 mix equipment in the near future.

[Coldkiwi]

So what do we do about it in the mean time? I spend a fair bit of time on the motorway trying to pick my spot to go between trucks and have wondered about the fumes I breathe in in the mean time. Now that i know some truckies are trying to gas me, would some sort of breathe mask help filter the nasties effectively?
incidentally, your 'narrow gap' on the XR probably isn't everyone elses Jackrat. A learner is pretty unlikely to think they can get through a smaller gap than a more experienced rider. (of course, if they're stupid enough to try and get through REALLY small gaps when learning to ride then blowing smoke isn't going to save them for long so why bother?).

[inlinefour]

So what do we do about it in the mean time? I spend a fair bit of time on the motorway trying to pick my spot to go between trucks and have wondered about the fumes I breathe in in the mean time. Now that i know some truckies are trying to gas me, would some sort of breathe mask help filter the nasties effectively?
incidentally, your 'narrow gap' on the XR probably isn't everyone elses Jackrat. A learner is pretty unlikely to think they can get through a smaller gap than a more experienced rider. (of course, if they're stupid enough to try and get through REALLY small gaps when learning to ride then blowing smoke isn't going to save them for long so why bother?).

As you go to pass, change down a gear and power past the vehicle. Oh and dont forget to hold your breath. I know alot of truck drivers and I know of not one that would want to "gas" a rider. Paranoia?

[Jackrat]

So what do we do about it in the mean time? I spend a fair bit of time on the motorway trying to pick my spot to go between trucks and have wondered about the fumes I breathe in in the mean time. Now that i know some truckies are trying to gas me, would some sort of breathe mask help filter the nasties effectively?
incidentally, your 'narrow gap' on the XR probably isn't everyone elses Jackrat. A learner is pretty unlikely to think they can get through a smaller gap than a more experienced rider. (of course, if they're stupid enough to try and get through REALLY small gaps when learning to ride then blowing smoke isn't going to save them for long so why bother?).

The reason I bother,is that I don't want to see another lump of chewed up meat on the motorway.
I want to be part of it even less.

[Eurodave]

[So what do we do about it in the mean time? I spend a fair bit of time on the motorway trying to pick my spot to go between trucks and have wondered about the fumes I breathe in in the mean time. Now that i know some truckies are trying to gas me, would some sort of breathe mask help filter the nasties effectively?]
At one time there were a couple of motorbike mask options available here in NZ.I cant recall the brands but one I remember seeing overseas was made by Lazer. It was A cool,camo HELMET with a flip down dark tinted bubble facesheild & looked like jet fighter pilot Top Gun style KIT complete with what looked like a seperate oxygen mask to FILTER OUT SMOG ETC.

[Jackrat]

[So what do we do about it in the mean time? I spend a fair bit of time on the motorway trying to pick my spot to go between trucks and have wondered about the fumes I breathe in in the mean time. Now that i know some truckies are trying to gas me, would some sort of breathe mask help filter the nasties effectively?]
At one time there were a couple of motorbike mask options available here in NZ.I cant recall the brands but one I remember seeing overseas was made by Lazer. It was A cool,camo HELMET with a flip down dark tinted bubble facesheild & looked like jet fighter pilot Top Gun style KIT complete with what looked like a seperate oxygen mask to FILTER OUT SMOG ETC.


You could just wear a standard dust mask, or any of the many different motorcycle designs around.
Try trade me.