Zx10r

[wkid_one]

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[750Y]

thank you god...

[wari]

Nice eh ?! :niceone:

Shit the litre class is getting competitive!

[wkid_one]

Don't say that is here Wari - some people will just go - 'Hell No - the GSXR is and always willbe the best, blah, blah, blah, blah' - and all sorts of other rubbish

[Cajun]

I love the look of the new zx10rs

They due out here in NZ around xmas, i am tossing up between getting a new zx10r or a new gsxr1000 the proof will be in the pudding i guess, just have to wait and ride the zx to see what they go like.

any how here is a spec sheet on the zx10r if you would like to have a looky at it (pdf file)
http://baycity.orcon.net.nz

Also has pdf file on the vn2000 due out

Cheers

[wkid_one]

Try reading some of the reviews ont he 04 Yam R1 released overseas - they are apparently astounding to ride!!

Plus you also have the new 1000RR as well.

Choices choices choices......oh how nice it is to have 4 true hypersport thous in the market

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[Cajun]

Well for started i am not a honda fan so that throws the cbr1000rr out the window, and also second reason is it looks damn ugly i hate that under seat exhust system on them, they just don't look right.

I have read some of reviews of the 04 yammy, and i don't like the styling heading they are going in.

But i am also just a fussy prick, and i am big kwaka fan and, suzukis comes close second, so those be my pics, but i will ride an 04 r1 before i make my final descion, but alot can happen in 3 months before i get around to get new bike.

[aff-man]

Well if the CBR is not your cup of tea why not wait a few years .......

[aff-man]

&nbsp;gotta learn to do multiple photo's

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[Cajun]

The bike is butt damn ugly man

[aff-man]

Hey i never said it was pretty :D :D :D :D&nbsp; And what is up with that single center front fork?? If this is where honda is heading i will either have to change my aspirations to kwaka's or something or stick with the 2003 cbr600rr series:beer: :beer: :beer:

[Cajun]

not even get me started with those ugly things, you think with all that money they could design an exhust that looks good, they evne look horrible when you put after market exhust on them.

But i guess thats they way its going, 'Hey look at me my bike looks like rossi, even tho i got maybe 10% of the ability of him i my bike looks acutally like his"

just my 2cents from a fussy bastard,

[wkid_one]

I am sorry - - -&nbsp;- - - but I LOVE it

Cajun - once Suzuki pull themselves out of the 90's styling - they to will most likly end up with the under seat exhaust - everyone is heading that way

[Cajun]

Hey i like the 90's styling i not a big fan of all this shape lines sorta stuff i like the bubbles style

but wkid_one each to there own, what i think is nice other people think are shit and vise versa, but its all good

Only bike i really did the under set exhust was the duke, and well the mv, but one huge exhust at rear i just don't like it.

But its all good

Hopeful suzuki don't go there, and copy hondas with underseat

[aff-man]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ducati pipes&nbsp; :love: :love: :love: :done:

[duckman]

I'm sorry .. but I like it too. I dont know about the single front fork but at least it's something new.
Development must be allowed to continue and people have to take an open approach to new toys.

Just think what we might be riding in ten years.... hmmmmmm

[Cajun]

i second you on that one aff-man

:niceone: :rockon: :niceone:

[aff-man]

For those of you who live in a box ... *sigh* :love: :love: :love:&nbsp; and then ther is the sound :love:

[duckman]

Check out the sexy pair of legs in the background !!!

:gob: :gob: :gob:

[750Y]

I would concur with Cajun from a personal pereference perspective. The Yam & the Honda are BUTT Ugly. The Suzuki is the same familiar looking bike we've come to know and it's Well tested now. my pick's the Kawasaki even if it does look a tad rushed/incomplete. Just look at some of the finer details like the ugly 'set' valve pipe area which is exposed and the silly forward subframe covers below the seat ala R1. But what do looks matter anyway when you look at what these bikes are designed for? I think the jappas are all ugly with the exception of a couple bikes (R1 98-03 & ZX7R/R and a couple others like my personal fave, the blue 98 ZX9R). my last 5 jap bikes have been ugly. I don't know what it's like to walk into the shed and go "wow that's nice" except for a custom 65 triumph hardtail project i had a few years back. now that was something i could relate to and feel good about & when i looked at it i felt that feeling of pride i used to get from old cars. no plastic, anywhere to be seen.

[Cajun]

750Y you are man after my own heart in some ways i love the zx7r/r, but not all japps are ugly, just alot are in the way the styling is going his not my cuppa tea

[wkid_one]

I must confess that I am all for the entirely modern.

Everything below here is entirely opinion - so certain 'unnamed' forums members don't through their toys

I think the styling of the R1 and CBR has left Suzuki lacking that 'bike porn appeal'.

No denying the GSXRThou is a potent weapon from a mechanical and handling perspective, however it is dire need of viagra from an visual appeal angle.

The new ZX10R looks like they have a good mix of both looks and power (yet to be proven).

The 'clean arse' look with pipes under the seat - is more for the asthetic - 'look mum, you can see my bum' kinda look - whereby the rear end is cleaned up and the tyre is entirely visible.

However,&nbsp;it is also a clearance issue - with the mufflers getting larger (check out the old blue Titanium R1 Blunderbuss) - this is impinging on the clearance of the bikes - and therefore compromising rideability - or so I read

Also - it is a centre of gravity issue&nbsp;- big mufflers off one side of the bike - compromise the handling as one side is weighted ever so slightly more than the other - or so I read.

The lines of the bikes - well - look at cars?&nbsp; We used to have the roundded Taurus and Falcon - now these type of cars a more angular - vehicles like any accessory are subject to the 'fashion whims and fancies' of a global market.

I honestly hand on heart swear on a bible think that the 04 R1 is the mutts, followed by the CBR, then the Kwak.&nbsp; However some of the more exotic bikes&nbsp;from a looks perspective alone would shake that list up - eg Nera.

[Redstar]

well if I squint at my 400 it could be a 10?

[750Y]

quote from wkid_one: "'fashion whims and fancies' of a global market"

I think you hit it on the head there with regard to design cues following fashion trends across the world.(nz being tiny & really not featuring big in the market place). These new bikes really are amazing & they're sposed to look like they could line up at a sbk grid any day of the week. (The GSXR back in 85 started all this 'serious race replica' stuff. ) That's what the sportbike market is telling them(Japan,USA,Europe). As the styling changes i think the big difference this year is the manufacturers really seem to want to showcase the technology that's going into these bikes. Maybe that's why the fairings don't do a full cover up job and the exhaust moves up, in part, to show the package better etc. I think the R1 and Honda & Kawasaki have a far more progressive look as opposed to the Suzuki which hasn't changed all that much for a couple years. The ZX10R is a really interesting machine with the frame alone being different to other bikes, It's sort of a cross between the old backbone sytle frame and the new cradle twin spar style. Also Kawasaki have a racing history & i think they've tried really hard to put out a bike capable of meeting the competition which has been thrashing them for a couple years now. Can't wait to read the '04 1k shootout.

[Motoracer]

I would feel more safe with an under seat rear muffler because its one less thing to worry about if the bike goes sliding accross the road/track by it self on the side (the side where the exhaust pipe would have been traditionally).

[Sharkey]

Also, underseat mufflers are good for warming the seat on those chilly winter mornings. :p

[SPman]

At least the new R1 has a pair of muff's

[wkid_one]

Gee and looking at that rubber one would be led to think it was a bike designed for the track