Stolen bikes by brand

[Blatman]

Interesting....Percentage of stolen bikes listed by manufacturer derived from the Lostride Database http://home.interhop.net/agray/lostride/

Harley Davidson 40.7
Honda 23.0
Suzuki 9.7
Other 7.9
Yamaha 6.2
Kawasaki 5.3
Triumph 2.6
BMW 1.7
Ducati 1.7
Buell 0.8

[naphazoline]

That's very interesting.
Harley leading comes as no surprise,as there's plenty of them everywhere,and they seem to be a sort after image thing to SOME people, but Honda second???

I would have thought that the Italians,or Trumpies would have rated second and third.

[Finn]

Harley. Number 1 motorcycle full stop.

[yod]

Harley. Number 1 motorcycle full stop.

:killingme

[James Deuce]

Bloody Hell!

I'm buying a Buell!

[Quasievil]

Harley. Number 1 motorcycle full stop.

They are heavy bikes...........have you seen the cost of a boat mooring these days??

[Finn]

Bloody Hell!

I'm buying a Buell!

That would double the theft percentage.

[James Deuce]

Cheeky monkey!

[jaymzw]

Are these world-wide statistics?

[Hailwood]

Just as well I sold the Harley and bought the Buell then.....

[Hitcher]

I think that New Zealand insurance companies may have a different take on these figures, particularly where Ducatis lie in that list.

[Mikkel]

So does this take into account the distribution of brands amongst the entirety of the motorcycle population?

Where's the data from? Just America?

I really despise it when statistics are presented without any mention of source or method...

Like AA insurance won't insure Subarus (at least that was what we were told in 2006) because they are the most stolen car in NZ. No great wonder since they are the most common vehicle on NZ roads.

[Hitcher]

So does this take into account the distribution of brands amongst the entirety of the motorcycle population?

Where's the data from? Just America?

I really despise it when statistics are presented without any mention of source or method...

A quick look at the web site suggests it lacks science and credibility.

The site appears to exist for the benefit of motorcyclists globally to post when somebody has nicked off with their ride. On that basis it will be populated by anally-retentive, web-savvy, North American geeks who ride Harleys and Hondas, or at least did until those were thieved away from them.

[Big Dave]

well - Buell only accounts for 3% of Harley sales. They are the smallest 'mainstream' manufacturer employing under 200 people.

[vgcspares]

The site does actually declare at the top of the page that the stats come from N.America and Europe - what you may be surprised to know is that there aren't any collective stats for NZ, at least none that I can find.

But on the basis of what I know from within the insurance industry the total figure isn't going to be more than 200 and probably a lot lower.

The biggest surprise could be that scooters and off-road bikes will probably top the list ... with Harleys third (where they belong) - real motorcyles will come in at 4th and below !

[Badcat]

yeah - those numbers have to overlaid on the brand percentages in the NZ fleet before they mean anything.


BC

[Marmoot]

Would also be interesting to see the "normalised" theft figure. I.e., the distribution of 'stolen bike vs. number of bikes sold' figures.

That way the top-selling manufacturers don't always dominate the top ranks.

e.g., knowing what are the odds of you keeping your bike.

[Bonez]

Anyone know where "Other" is manufactured?

[MarkH]

Anyone know where "Other" is manufactured?

I think they have multiple factories in China.

[cs363]

I really despise it when statistics are presented without any mention of source or method...

Like AA insurance won't insure Subarus (at least that was what we were told in 2006) because they are the most stolen car in NZ. No great wonder since they are the most common vehicle on NZ roads.


Err.....last sentence kind of contradicts the first one doesn't it?

http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/statistics/motor-vehicle-registration/2008/table-07.html

http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/statistics/motor-vehicle-registration/2008/table-08.html

:whistle:

[Headbanger]

Anyone know where "Other" is manufactured?

Korea.

In fact Hyosung is Korean for "other".

[Laxi]

Korea.

In fact Hyosung is Korean for "other".

I was wondering where hyosung came on that list, would be mostly owners throwing it of a cliff and telling their mates it was knicked I think

[YellowDog]

I am not a bike their however is I was, I would steal a Ducati. A nice red inconspicuous one :)

I would presume that these figure are composed from organised 'steal to order' thefts.

[peasea]

The site does actually declare at the top of the page that the stats come from N.America and Europe - what you may be surprised to know is that there aren't any collective stats for NZ, at least none that I can find.

But on the basis of what I know from within the insurance industry the total figure isn't going to be more than 200 and probably a lot lower.

The biggest surprise could be that scooters and off-road bikes will probably top the list ... with Harleys third (where they belong) - real motorcyles will come in at 4th and below !

Go fuck yourself.

[avgas]

Harley. Number 1 motorcycle full stop.
You stole yours didn't you

[avgas]

I think that New Zealand insurance companies may have a different take on these figures, particularly where Ducatis lie in that list.
Stop stealing them, your going against the trend

[yod]

they are the most common vehicle on NZ roads.



I really despise it when statistics are presented without any mention of source or method...

10 charact

[malfunconz]

good to be a triumph owner

[Quasievil]

good to be a triumph owner

Not according to the thieves:rolleyes:

[mujambee]

The site does actually declare at the top of the page that the stats come from N.America and Europe

We'll leave it at coming from N.America, right?

Never heard of it and doubt any non-english european will use an american site to look for his bike.

[Mikkel]

Err.....last sentence kind of contradicts the first one doesn't it?

http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/statistics/motor-vehicle-registration/2008/table-07.html

http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/statistics/motor-vehicle-registration/2008/table-08.html

:whistle:

So you provide links to statistics relating to new cars registred in 2007 on the North and South Island. What does that tell us about the brand distribution in the total population? That's right - Nothing.

But you are correct - I should have written very, instead of the most, common vehicle on the roads. I have indeed not done a formal count nor have I even bothered checking with any vehicle database whether my claim was correct. Let's at least agree that Subarus are not - by any stretch of the imagination - uncommon. If we only consider fun (i.e. >250 hps) cars to steal - then I have gut feeling that the distribution is going to be even more favourable for the Subarus. Then we could consider fun cars without an immobiliser...

However, with that astounding observance of yours you must surely acknowledge that it is flawed to conclude that brand A is more succeptible to being stolen than brand B just based upon the fact that A constitutes 25% of all stolen vehicles while B constitutes 10%.
If A constitutes 50% of the total vehicle population and B only 5% - then B is 4 times as likely to be stolen as A.
This ought to be primary school stuff - so I really hope I haven't made any mistakes.

[MarkH]

If we only consider fun (i.e. >250 hps) cars to steal

This is the problem - if you buy a 'fun' car like a Subaru WRX STi or a Holden Commodore V8 then there is a greater likelihood that some fucktard is will try to steal it. You save your money and use it to buy something nice and some scumbag wants to take it. And what do the police do about it? They park a van by the motorway and ticket you when you drive your 'fun' vehicle above 110kph, but there is nothing they can do if it gets stolen - they are there to make money, not prevent crime. How many resources are devoted to stopping house burglaries and vehicle theft vs the resources devoted to ticketing traffic infringements?

[short-circuit]

Go fuck yourself.

Hook line and sinker. Stereotype confirmed :tugger:

[peasea]

Hook line and sinker. Stereotype confirmed :tugger:


Ditto. :2thumbsup

And you hurt my feelings....

[short-circuit]

And you hurt my feelings....

As you hurt mine whenever you're crawling past and don't wave :crybaby:

[peasea]

As you hurt mine whenever you're crawling past and don't wave :crybaby:

But I DO wave, that's the whole thing.

[short-circuit]

But I DO wave, that's the whole thing.

Back on topic for a minute, my understanding is that in NZ it's mainly dirt bikes and farm equipment - ATVs/Quads and tractors (Harleys) :whistle:

[Burtha]

put a lock on it.
:D
I'm a f**kin genius!

[cs363]

So you provide links to statistics relating to new cars registred in 2007 on the North and South Island. What does that tell us about the brand distribution in the total population? That's right - Nothing.

Actually, it gives a general idea as to the buying trends of the general public - after all new cars affect used car statistics once they leave the showroom and get onsold. Also, used car/bike sales tend to follow very similar patterns to new sales, as this reflects: http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/statistics/motor-vehicle-registration/2008/table-06.html Apologies for the somewhat dated statistics, but then we are dealing with LTSA here...


But you are correct - I should have written very, instead of the most, common vehicle on the roads. I have indeed not done a formal count nor have I even bothered checking with any vehicle database whether my claim was correct. Let's at least agree that Subarus are not - by any stretch of the imagination - uncommon. If we only consider fun (i.e. >250 hps) cars to steal - then I have gut feeling that the distribution is going to be even more favourable for the Subarus. Then we could consider fun cars without an immobiliser...

However, with that astounding observance of yours you must surely acknowledge that it is flawed to conclude that brand A is more succeptible to being stolen than brand B just based upon the fact that A constitutes 25% of all stolen vehicles while B constitutes 10%.
If A constitutes 50% of the total vehicle population and B only 5% - then B is 4 times as likely to be stolen as A.
This ought to be primary school stuff - so I really hope I haven't made any mistakes.

I think you'll find that the real reason that Subaru's top the most stolen lists is the reason that another poster stated, that they make relatively high performance , fun cars. Look at most of the cars near the top of those lists and you'll notcie they all fit that bill - V8 Holdens and Fords, Mitsubishi Lancer Evos, Mazda Turbos and so on.

Toyota has long been acknowledged as the overall best selling brand in NZ for some years (both new and used) but they don't get stolen much as they tend to make sensible, reliable cars which equate to boring as far as the low life scum that steal stuff are concerned. Also, there is a ready market for parts to the boy racers and so on.

The reason that Harleys are often top of the stolen list is that again there is unfortunately a ready market for stolen bikes and parts given that the same brand appeals to the criminal sector.
Obviously farm and trail bikes get stolen as they are easy to dispose of, not having to be registered or used on the road where they are most likely to be apprehended.

[peasea]

Back on topic for a minute, my understanding is that in NZ it's mainly dirt bikes and farm equipment - ATVs/Quads and tractors (Harleys) :whistle:

So a street triple is what? Let me see.....a great place to keep wankers off Harleys. Erm, you have one don't you? Soooo........

[Slyer]

The stats are only for people who have chosen to list their bike stolen on this website.
Maybe people with Harleys are more likely to visit the website and report it stolen?

It's just a stupid internet poll though, can't discredit it more than that really.

[Mikkel]

Actually, it gives a general idea as to the buying trends of the general public - after all new cars affect used car statistics once they leave the showroom and get onsold. Also, used car/bike sales tend to follow very similar patterns to new sales, as this reflects: http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/statistics/motor-vehicle-registration/2008/table-06.html Apologies for the somewhat dated statistics, but then we are dealing with LTSA here...

Yes, but trends change. The current car population represents an amalgam of the trends of the last 20 years. In latter years fuel prices have been on the rise which makes certain cars less attractive (e.g. subaru - 4wd and boxer engines).


I think you'll find that the real reason that Subaru's top the most stolen lists is the reason that another poster stated, that they make relatively high performance , fun cars. Look at most of the cars near the top of those lists and you'll notcie they all fit that bill - V8 Holdens and Fords, Mitsubishi Lancer Evos, Mazda Turbos and so on.

I think you'll find that the real source for what you here attribute to a 3rd poster is in fact the very post you just quoted. MarkH seemed to agree with my observation but took it further off-topic (topic = (flawed) statistics about stolen motorcycles) by making it a (fair) rant about law-enforcement priorities - while I agree with his point too I didn't add to it.
Please read what you quote and keep chronology in mind before you try to use my own post to point out a point to me which I actually just pointed out in the post you quoted. ;)


Toyota has long been acknowledged as the overall best selling brand in NZ for some years (both new and used) but they don't get stolen much as they tend to make sensible, reliable cars which equate to boring as far as the low life scum that steal stuff are concerned. Also, there is a ready market for parts to the boy racers and so on.

[offtopic]
Indeed, compared to the good old days, today's Toyota lineup is dreadfully boring and sensible. Since they stopped producing the Supra there has really only been the Altezza which wouldn't bore old ladies to death.

A bloody shame since Toyota makes some great engines!

[peasea]

A bloody shame since Toyota makes some great engines!

I used to work for Toyota, great engines, great product all round. I was spewing when they stopped building them here coz they were far better than the jap imports. The come-back rate for NZ assembled vehicles was less than the 'mother' country.

We have an older Corona for a commuter and it's great, 220 on the odo and still running strong. Ya won't get that out of an Austin A30!

The 4AGE was a ripper engine, the 2S etc, even the 4K in its day. You're quite right. A Toyota bike might have been interesting....

[Slyer]

They stopped making decent cars because nobody was buying them.
Mmm supra yes please.

[Mikkel]

The 4AGE was a ripper engine

The AE86 - and that whole bunch (Nissan Silvia S12, S13 and Mitsi Starion) - were, I suppose, sorta the car parallel to the 250 ccm IL4 bikes. Affordable, good for driver development, heaps of fun and very decent performance - and they don't make them anymore and now everbody getting into it wants one.

I loved my S12 1.8l turbo just as much as I loved my zxr250a.

[cs363]

What you wrote here

All good points, let's agree to disagree on the minor stuff - but at least everyone agrees that they'd buy a Toyota bike...if they made one, lol :)

Now, back to those thieving bike scum..... ;)

[Mikkel]

Now, back to those thieving bike scum..... ;)

I agree, death is too good for them!

[sondela]

They stopped making decent cars because nobody was buying them.
Mmm supra yes please.

Supra.. oh yes, I have one of those! :2thumbsup

[cs363]

All good points, let's agree to disagree on the minor stuff - but at least everyone agrees that they'd buy a Toyota bike...if they made one, lol :)

Now, back to those thieving bike scum..... ;)


Oh, and before someone points it out....yes, I do know there is a relationship between Toyota and bikes - They have designed and manufactured quite a few of the cylinder heads amongst other parts on some popular Yamaha models. :)

[Gubb]

And what do the police do about it? They park a van by the motorway and ticket you when you drive your 'fun' vehicle above 110kph
At least you don't have to worry about it on your Scooter.

[vgcspares]

Go fuck yourself.

presuming you have a harley it sounds like you already have

[Grahameeboy]

Harley. Number 1 motorcycle full stop.

Number 1 stolen motorcycle full stop

[MarkH]

At least you don't have to worry about it on your Scooter.

Yeah, as long as the camera is facing the front of my scooter, I won't get a ticket. I've also seen a cop car on the side of the NW motorway start to move when he picked up my speed, then he changed his mind when he saw it was a scooter - had me a little worried, lucky I wasn't going too much over 110 at the time.

[MarkH]

I agree, death is too good for them!

The real problem is that so often they don't get caught. When the scum keep getting away with it they keep doing it. That's why I wish the police would dedicate more resource to vehicle theft & burglaries. A while ago they set up a car with cameras, homing beacon and remote activated immobiliser - thieves stole it and the police arrested the thieves. They need to do that more and with bikes as well.

In the mean time we all have to be careful, especially with the bikes highly sought after by the thieves. If you have a Harley then you may want to start chaining it to a pole when parking anywhere vulnerable.

[peasea]

presuming you have a harley it sounds like you already have

and would you believe I stole it?

tee hee.

[vgcspares]

we just picked one back up that had been lost in space for a year ...

I'd suggest you at least bother to put some sort of plate on it and while there try and hide the fact that it's been hot-wired and if you bother to repaint it then try sticking some harley badges back on so it looks at least passingly legit

[Road Warrior]

Found some semi recent news about thefts in the US..

The National Insurance Crime Bureau (NICB) says 60,763 motorcycles were reported stolen in the U.S., down 2.3 percent from 62,206 in 2007 and down 4.8 percent from 63,828 in 2006.

A new NICB report shows that motorcycle theft is more seasonal than other vehicle theft activity. July and August logged the most thefts while December, January and February had the fewest.

Five brands account for 80.4 percent of the total thefts. The top five most-stolen brands are Honda (15,034), Yamaha (11,797), Suzuki (10,427), Kawasaki (6,295) and Harley-Davidson (3,745). Thefts fell for all brands from 2006 to 2008 except for KTM, Baja, and Vespa, which experienced increases.

While overall thefts decreased during the past three years, seven states had an increase in motorcycle thefts for each year from 2006 through 2008: Hawaii, Indiana, Maine, Missouri, New Mexico, Tennessee, and West Virginia.

The five states with the most motorcycle theft activity in 2008 were California (7,125), Florida (5,992), Texas (5,573), North Carolina (3,174) and Indiana (2,223). North Dakota had the least thefts, with 72.

Only 18,422 of the 60,763 cycles stolen in 2008 were recovered, a 30.3 percent recovery rate.

The top five states for recoveries of stolen motorcycles are: California, Florida, Texas, North Carolina and Maryland.
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For 2007, the most stolen vehicles* in the nation were:

2006 Ranking
1. 1995 Honda Civic ...1. 1995 Honda Civic
2. 1991 Honda Accord ...2. 1991 Honda Accord
3. 1989 Toyota Camry ...3. 1989 Toyota Camry
4. 1997 Ford F-150 Series Pickup ...4. 1997 Ford F-150 Series Pickup
5. 1994 Chevrolet C/K 1500 Pickup ...5. 2005 Dodge Ram Pickup
6. 1994 Acura Integra ...6. 1994 Chevrolet C/K 1500 Pickup
7. 2004 Dodge Ram Pickup ...7. 1994 Nissan Sentra
8. 1994 Nissan Sentra ...8. 1994 Dodge Caravan
9. 1988 Toyota Pickup ...9. 1994 Saturn SL
10. 2007 Toyota Corolla ...10. 1990 Acura Integra

The NICB study confirms that theft of older model vehicles has remained constant for the past several years. Thieves continue to target these vehicles because they provide the best market for stolen vehicle parts.

Thats a lot of figgen thieves!! :mad:
Gary