Veitch sentenced

[Number One]

48 hours is the norm, so long as there are no fears for their immediate safety or well being... Your suicidal mate fell into this category straight away and action should have been taken. It has been this way for as long as I can remember (24 years or so now...).

That's quite sad to hear frankly...as all the people who called were very clear that they had 'grave concerns for his mental health and wellbeing'.

He had already attempted about 3 months prior and veru seriously and only just not quite successfully so he was 'in the system' CAT team knew about him and he'd spent time in hospital under observation.

He had been going around tying up all his affairs and we were pretty damn sure how it was going to end...Guess when someone is determined to go they get it sorted and there is NO stopping them

[scumdog]

No he paid her compensation to keep her mouth shut.

And she did for three years..............to her credit. It was not until the story broke that she finaly spoke out.


Skyryder


Did she pay back the money once she hadn't 'kept her mouth shut'.:rolleyes:

[Number One]

Did she pay back the money once she hadn't 'kept her mouth shut'.:rolleyes:
The deal apparently was that she didn't talk to the 'media' which she maintains that she didn't until this latest interview and as she said even then she didn't discuss 'the incident' AND the $$$ were for expenses incurred as a result of the injuries he gave her. Better than spending money on lawyers to get the money out of him AND he only paid the money when it became clear that she was finally speaking to the cops and charges were being laid...the deal being that she wouldn't speak about it to the media.

[Indiana_Jones]

OMG. Will this lame story ever end?

-Indy

[Hans]

:clap: Thanks for joinning the club rosie.. pull up a chair and enjoy the show :apint:

Methinks I'll join the club too. Nothing wrong with being in this company.

[Skyryder]

Did she pay back the money once she hadn't 'kept her mouth shut'.:rolleyes:

I have no idea but in most cases confidentialty applies to both parties. Who spoke to the media first??


Skyryder

[FJRider]

Did she pay back the money once she hadn't 'kept her mouth shut'.:rolleyes:

"Gifts" need not be returned...

[FJRider]

OMG. Will this lame story ever end?

-Indy

only when all will get bored with it....

[trustme]

Gift ??? Sounded more like blackmail or extertion. Claim of 127K then gets bumped to 150k, claim not made until way after the event & right before he got married. Like his lawyer said , this guy got set for it. The plea bargain happened because there was going to be substantial collateral damage to both sides, & both the prosecution & the defense knew it.

[FJRider]

Gift ??? Sounded more like blackmail or extertion. Claim of 127K then gets bumped to 150k, claim not made until way after the event & right before he got married. Like his lawyer said , this guy got set for it. The plea bargain happened because there was going to be substantial collateral damage to both sides, & both the prosecution & the defense knew it.

I would have said EXTORTION....

[ital916]

That's to be expected.

Stopping in Ngaruawahia would be enough to make me contemplate suicide!

This man has had his comeuppence, now he is trying to kill himself, even if it is a cry for attention it still cannot be ignored. As much as he is a "stale wank stain" I cannot believe the disdain and pure disgust of some of the ways in which you people are viewing this.

Fine then, I guess if anyone here tries to kill themselves let us know so we can pull up some lounge chairs and watch ya have a go...if its such a funny topic.

Yes he can be a cock, but his ex can be a bitch. This entire saga is an excersice in stupidity and the demonstration of the new zealand publics bloodlust when it comes to hanging drawing and quatering people for entertainment. Might as well build a bloody colleseum in auckland and bring back the games.

[trustme]

Yup that's the bugger

[Hitcher]

I see Veitch is now going with Plan B -- elicit public sympathy for being "suicidal" and also endeavour to get Susan Devoy and Dave Curry to curtail their legal challenges.

Dear me. How many people do you know who have The Sunday Star Times and The Herald On Sunday on their cellphone speed dial?

It's about time Veitch gave up this celebrity nonsense and retrained for a career in accountancy or IT.

[dipshit]

He's our little vision of OJ Simpson.

[ital916]

I see Veitch is now going with Plan B -- elicit public sympathy for being "suicidal" and also endeavour to get Susan Devoy and Dave Curry to curtail their legal challenges.

Dear me. How many people do you know have The Sunday Star Times and The Herald On Sunday on their cellphone speed dial?

It's about time Veitch gave up this celebrity nonsense and retrained for a career in accountancy or IT.

If I was a commentator/reporter I would have all major newspapers on speed dial.

[Hitcher]

If I was a commentator/reporter I would have all major newspapers on speed dial.

Seriously? Why? They would be your opposition.

[ital916]

Seriously? Why? They would be your opposition.

Sometimes the best sources of information comes from ones opposition.

[mynameis]

What is it five or six attempts? His so called sucicides have found him alive even after he has been missing for hours. And he takes his cell phone with him and starts useing it.................want more? If the family belived that he was serious they would have him under proper care...........but the way he came out swinging the other day towards the media sure as hell did not look like this guy was serious. That for me was the kicker. He could not get infront of the cameras fast enough. He was positvely brimming with revenge.

Hardly the actions of a someone who wants to top themselves. This latest attempt is nothing more than a sham to deflect criticism from him because of the doctored references.


Skyryder



Get your facts right, not 5 or 6 attempts and no one can have total control over him 24/7.

If A doesn't stack up B doesn't automatically become the answer, if it's not white it doesn't mean it's black.

That's something a lot of people unfortunately don't grasp well.

Swinging at the media? Perhaps he has a valid reason for that, they published stories without gathering the facts right.


Count me in then. The guy's an arsehole. Happy to court the media when it suits him, then crys foul when it doesn't.

Bollocks.


Veitch is reviled for kicking a woman when she is down,
I guess you guys can kick him when he's down because you occupy the moral high ground . Yeah right !!

Yeap, some people cannot look beyond their noses.




Although the enemy, they actually summed it up well....

But I agree with the Harold on this one. VEITCH himself says it is "so intolerable to have to wait for 2 more years to have his day in court" or words to this effect, and of how devestating and destroying the whole saga has been.... yet he is completely willing to do it all again by sueing the media over the coverage, which will drag on for.... ummm.. a couple of years or so?????? He needs to let it go and get himself all sorted.



Maybe his way of dealing with this is different to what others may think/do.

[Maki]

It is always hard when you love to get media attention and you also hate it. If Vietch honestly wants to "put all this behind him" he should STOP talking to the media and stop looking at the media and devote his energy to something constructive like living his life and perhaps travelling the world.

Wanting something, and not wanting it at the same time is never easy...

Consider the following story and it's implications...

"The "South Indian Monkey Trap" was developed by villagers to catch the ever-present and numerous small monkeys in that part of the world. It involves a hollowed-out coconut chained to a stake. The coconut has some rice inside which can be seen through a small hole. The hole is just big enough so that the monkey can put his hand in, but too small for his fist to come out after he has grabbed the rice.

Tempted by the rice, the monkey reaches in and is suddenly trapped. He is not able to see that it is his own fist that traps him, his own desire for the rice. He rigidly holds on to the rice, because he values it. He cannot let go and by doing so retain his freedom. So the trap works and the villagers capture him."

Are you clinging to something or someone in your life that you would be better off letting go of?

[James Deuce]

I can't believe the number of people in this thread who support the notion that if a woman is a "bitch" she deserves to be put in hospital.

NZ's incredibly bad domestic violence record is obviously the result of a sick culture, and we're in a worse state than I thought. There are Women's Refuges all over the country full of "bitches", kids beaten to within and inch of their life (and sometimes beyond) because they're naughty.

I disagreed with the anti-smacking bill purely on the grounds that the average NZer didn't need Government legislation to dictate their behaviour toward anyone.

I was wrong.

There's enough people in this thread sticking up for a violent, convicted, "wife" basher for me to do a 180 degree turn on that. It's not kicking him when he's down. Most people not sticking up for the ex-TV presenter are just stunned that being a "celebrity" nets you a 50/50 split in public opinion about whether you're an OK guy or not, when the X-rays speak for themselves.

Just so we're clear, it is not OK to assault someone because they piss you off.

[ital916]

I can't believe the number of people in this thread who support the notion that if a woman is a "bitch" she deserves to be put in hospital.

NZ's incredibly bad domestic violence record is obviously the result of a sick culture, and we're in a worse state than I thought. There are Women's Refuges all over the country full of "bitches", kids beaten to within and inch of their life (and sometimes beyond) because they're naughty.

I disagreed with the anti-smacking bill purely on the grounds that the average NZer didn't need Government legislation to dictate their behaviour toward anyone.

I was wrong.

There's enough people in this thread sticking up for a violent, convicted, "wife" basher for me to do a 180 degree turn on that. It's not kicking him when he's down. Most people not sticking up for the ex-TV presenter are just stunned that being a "celebrity" nets you a 50/50 split in public opinion about whether you're an OK guy or not, when the X-rays speak for themselves.

Just so we're clear, it is not OK to assault someone because they piss you off.

ah but it is okay then to turn and accept that the person who committed the mistake of using violence shall be abused and be mentally traumatised as well.

If you made a mistake two three years ago, if you snapped whilst at a party and hurt someone but you regretted it soon after, was still be punished, your were still being dragged through the mud etc even years after the incident.

Even if you hate veitch, his state at the moment is hurting his parents, his wife, his siblings. What have they done to the nz public. Stick the pitchforks back into your pants.

[Mom]

He is emotionally traumatised by his actions and the place he has found himself in. Full stop, end of story. He for whatever reason bashed this woman, he has said he is sorry and he has appeared in court and been sentenced. This should be the end of it, but no.

He is by his own actions and most likely with the advice of his media people continuing to keep this issue front page.

Trust me on this, men (and probably women) in this mind set simply have no off button, they are obsessed with getting their side of the story told, they want to be seen as something better than what they are, they want things to be put right. This bloke is in trouble personally, he is not well, of that there is no doubt, but his continued attempts to re-spin himself into a more positive place are simply failing.

The sooner he realises that he needs to put his head down and get out of the spotlight the better. He needs to keep a low profile and work on rebuilding his mental health.

[discotex]

I can't believe the number of people in this thread who support the notion that if a woman is a "bitch" she deserves to be put in hospital.

Ahhh ok. Not sure what posts you're reading. I don't see anyone who's saying that or even implying that.



Just so we're clear, it is not OK to assault someone because they piss you off.

When was that ever in dispute?


Since when is it ok to revel in someones failing mental health (however much it may be deserved or brought on himself)? Some of the gleeful comments and encouragement for Tony to finish the job suicide-wise are plain sick.

[trustme]

The lynch mob lives. Such an ugly thing to witness.

[James Deuce]

Ahhh ok. Not sure what posts you're reading. I don't see anyone who's saying that or even implying that.



When was that ever in dispute?


Since when is it ok to revel in someones failing mental health (however much it may be deserved or brought on himself)? Some of the gleeful comments and encouragement for Tony to finish the job suicide-wise are plain sick.

Many people in this thread,practically a 50% split have suggested that KDP deserved to have her back broken because "she pushed him into it".

I'm not revelling in his mental health issues. I'm the last person who can claim a rational platform to argue that mental health isn't a reason for any amount of bizarre behaviour. I'd like to think that I wouldn't resort to kicking the crap out of someone because they pissed me off though.

I'm disgusted that the above excuse can even be posited and some of the commentary seen in public suggests the same thing. NZ's domestic violence issue is much worse than I ever thought because it seems to be an intrinsic dark thread in our society that it's OK to beat the little woman to a pulp.


ah but it is okay then to turn and accept that the person who committed the mistake of using violence shall be abused and be mentally traumatised as well.

If you made a mistake two three years ago, if you snapped whilst at a party and hurt someone but you regretted it soon after, was still be punished, your were still being dragged through the mud etc even years after the incident.

Even if you hate veitch, his state at the moment is hurting his parents, his wife, his siblings. What have they done to the nz public. Stick the pitchforks back into your pants.

It's not a mistake to beat someone until their back is broken. It's a violent assault and he is not the sort of person I want presented as "celebrity" in NZ. I don't "hate" anyone, let alone Tony Veitch. He has committed a crime and been punished. Everything else is a sideshow.

My comment is entirely about the attitude that is prevalent in this thread that because KDP is either a manipulative bitch or the cold architect of Tony Veitch's "demise" she deserved to be beaten until her back was broken. That attitude has been conveyed in writing in this thread and verbally to me by a surprising number of people, and it makes me sick. Thankfully I've learned anough to not respond to the verbal pronouncements with anythin gother than a deflection.

There's no statute of limitations in NZ. If you committed a dumb crime in your teenage years, such as sex with a minor for instance, and the ex-girfriend decides to make an issue of it 20 years later, you still have to answer the charge.

[CookMySock]

This isn't an isolated case, its just a good example of an "advanced" one. The main problem is, folks just have no idea of the nuts and bolts of relationships. They were, and are, equally horrified at they position the ended up in, and to a great extent have owned up to this. It's a shame he took his frustrations out on her, because now he is in the can, where before that they were equally responsible for a positive outcome.

So what is the solution? As always, it is knowledge. Rhetorical questions - how does this power struggle work? Why is it there? Why do we choose relationships where it exists? Why is it overdeveloped in some relationships?

If you and your mate are power-struggling, you owe it to the relationship to at least understand the process.

http://www.bpd411.org/imagotheory.html

http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=imago+match

Steve

[MisterD]

Many people in this thread,practically a 50% split have suggested that KDP deserved to have her back broken because "she pushed him into it".

I think you're confusing "explain" with "excuse"...I believe the former exists but the latter does not...

[Beemer]

The thing that amazes me with this is how both sides have been courting the media, trying to pin the blame on each other for what happened. I don't condone violence of any sort against a woman (or anyone for that matter, including against animals) but the fact is, he kicked her and she was badly injured. He paid for that mistake financially and then lost his jobs, etc, but then it still went to court anyway and he was made to accept the blame in public.

If, at that point, both sides had said "time to move on, we have NO COMMENT to make at all", the story would most likely have died a natural death in a few days and life would have moved on. As it is, both sides are now dragging this out, no doubt both will be chased by the women's magazines for 'their side of the story' and it will not go away for a long time.

I understand the Sunday programme on Veitch that was meant to air last night was pulled out of respect for his family after he was found in a distressed state and there is talk of yet another suicide attempt. I'm sorry, but for such a 'successful' guy, how come he's failed to commit suicide about half a dozen times so far? He's not really trying to kill himself, I think he's just realised it's an effective strategy to gain some sympathy from certain sectors of the community.

Both of them need to shut their doors to the media and refuse to give them any more fodder. I do not think their story deserved to lead the bloody television news the other night - someone said it was the first 15 minutes! Sorry, but did nothing of greater importance happen anywhere in the world that day?

To be honest, I used to like his style as a sports presenter but now I am just sick of hearing about him and her.

[Patrick]

Many people in this thread,practically a 50% split have suggested that KDP deserved to have her back broken because "she pushed him into it".

.... NZ's domestic violence issue is much worse than I ever thought because it seems to be an intrinsic dark thread in our society that it's OK to beat the little woman to a pulp.

My comment is entirely about the attitude that is prevalent in this thread that because KDP is either a manipulative bitch or the cold architect of Tony Veitch's "demise" she deserved to be beaten until her back was broken. That attitude has been conveyed in writing in this thread and verbally to me by a surprising number of people, and it makes me sick. Thankfully I've learned anough to not respond to the verbal pronouncements with anythin gother than a deflection.

With Disco on this... I too have trouble seeing where anyone said "she deserved it."

She pushed his buttons? Probably.... chicks do that so well...

He lost it and kicked her while she was down? Yep. Nowhere do I see anyone saying "That was OK then."

She might very well be manipulative... who knows or who cares? He broke her back and it cost him a job and $160,000. A fair sentence, the worst by far that I have ever seen. Most get community service only as a first time offender.

He has wished her well and has been remorseful, and to suggest he hasn't, well...... not on the news items I've seen.... but for him to drag it on for another year or two after 8 suicide attempts now on his part isn't helping anyone get over it... him, her or the media... or KB......

[Patrick]

Get your facts right, not 5 or 6 attempts and no one can have total control over him 24/7.

His wife said there were publicised ones and there have been others. She said there have been 7 attempts, and this was before Ngaruawahia (number 8...)

[HenryDorsetCase]

didnt he send a text message to a newspaper? "Woe is me Im going to end it all"?

Something like that I believe. All he is doing is setting up the emotional harm he has suffered so that his defamation case has more legs, and trying to sucker a gullible public into feeling sorry for him, the wife beating weasel.

Yet one of the defences for defamation is truth, and he admitted kicking that woman and breaking her back.

Its part of his PR teams strategy to rehabilitiate the scumbag. As the Who would say "Dont be fooled again".

I think the Judge erred seriously by not issuing gag orders on both sides. No discussion with the media in any form after the case.

[James Deuce]

If you support the excuse, you support the culture that says it's OK to bash a mouthy woman. There is no excuse for bashing someone.

She did not in any way deserve that, nor did she "push" him into it.

"Women are good at that"?

Come on!!

[mynameis]

ah but it is okay then to turn and accept that the person who committed the mistake of using violence shall be abused and be mentally traumatised as well.

If you made a mistake two three years ago, if you snapped whilst at a party and hurt someone but you regretted it soon after, was still be punished, your were still being dragged through the mud etc even years after the incident.

Even if you hate veitch, his state at the moment is hurting his parents, his wife, his siblings. What have they done to the nz public. Stick the pitchforks back into your pants.

+1


Ahhh ok. Not sure what posts you're reading. I don't see anyone who's saying that or even implying that.



When was that ever in dispute?


Since when is it ok to revel in someones failing mental health (however much it may be deserved or brought on himself)? Some of the gleeful comments and encouragement for Tony to finish the job suicide-wise are plain sick.

+1

Just shows how good people are stomping someone when they are down.

Some people's thinking are sick.

[Pixie]

What a wanker Veitch is.

One does not make multiple failed suicide attempts.

It is called attention seeking

[Hitcher]

It is called attention seeking

Absolutely. Going for a drive down the Waikato expressway from Auckland and parking up in the first right hand side road one finds hardly smacks of a concerted attempt to "disappear". Particularly after one has rung every media outlet in christendom and most emergency services prior to leaving home.

[candor]

Absolutely. Going for a drive down the Waikato expressway from Auckland and parking up in the first right hand side road one finds hardly smacks of a concerted attempt to "disappear". Particularly after one has rung every media outlet in christendom and most emergency services prior to leaving home.

Most people in a suicidal state of mind are ambivalent (conflicted with a death and life wish). At a guess only 5% at risk would be fully decided, and these plan well to complete plan, and don't extend a lifeline of distress signals.

This is why a standard mental health work intervention is to ask people for a commitment to contact others if feeling on the brink of acting on the thoughts. Getting a gold medal in that does not imply no risk is/was present.

One of his attempts was concerning in this vein - the car gassing in a remote spot was possibly quite serious a risk. And likely has him on an agreement to notify someone / anyone if close...

The media seems to be something hes attached to just like many men are overly bouind up identity wise to their job. Also its safe to asume in his mind it is parts of the media persecuting him - which is likely why thats who he contacts "in times of trouble". Telling them to publish an e-ml he thinks exonerates him of media charges against his character after hes dead (momentarily) could fit well with some of the more nasty egotistical suicide attempts that try to leave others feeling guilty.

Many attempts in males are misdirected rage which is why males use more violent methods - men hang or bang, women overdose.

Hes not stable - and I doubt the cynical interpretation offered on this thread that he is just trying to set up the mental damages component required for a successful defamation case. There would be no need to go this far overboard and it stretches credibility a bit to think he'd be THAT calculating. His Dr would no doubt vouch for his instability already before the last few days activities.

PS there is a really bizarre thread on yahoo xtra about 50 pages long "Veitch beats the girl and the system" that has taken a bizarre tangent into a long discussion of KDP wearing high heels to court (after a back injury) - the verdict sems to be she couldn't or shouldn't and that really noone should wear them. From the sublime to the ridiculous...

[Lula]

Hope he got his $150K hush money back

I'd take a hiding for $150k - not sure how good he'd come off though :bash:

[Beemer]

Absolutely. Going for a drive down the Waikato expressway from Auckland and parking up in the first right hand side road one finds hardly smacks of a concerted attempt to "disappear". Particularly after one has rung every media outlet in christendom and most emergency services prior to leaving home.

Yeah, where's Philip Nitschke (the man known as Dr Death) when you need him?

[Hitcher]

Hes not stable - and I doubt the cynical interpretation offered on this thread that he is just trying to set up the mental damages component required for a successful defamation case. There would be no need to go this far overboard and it stretches credibility a bit to think he'd be THAT calculating. His Dr would no doubt vouch for his instability already before the last few days activities.

Veitch has proven through his behaviours to be conniving, cunning, manipulative and deceitful. Consequently I am of the view that his "suicidal" behaviour and attempts at irrationality are merely a guise to attract public sympathy that his previous strategy failed to do. I believe that people are being far too kind by endeavouring to ascribe some sort of mental illness to him. I think that that belittles the plight of people with genuine mental illnesses.

[forkoil]

Oh fer christs sake, leave the poor bastard alone will yus all .....

[Kiwi Graham]

Veitch has proven through his behaviours to be conniving, cunning, manipulative and deceitful. Consequently I am of the view that his "suicidal" behaviour and attempts at irrationality are merely a guise to attract public sympathy that his previous strategy failed to do. I believe that people are being far too kind by endeavouring to ascribe some sort of mental illness to him. I think that that belittles the plight of people with genuine mental illnesses.

Like I've said he's a PD. Fits the profile like a glove. Not long now and he should be able to command quite a high price for his 'story' provided it told his way and on his terms otherwise.........more toys out the cot!

[ital916]

Veitch has proven through his behaviours to be conniving, cunning, manipulative and deceitful. Consequently I am of the view that his "suicidal" behaviour and attempts at irrationality are merely a guise to attract public sympathy that his previous strategy failed to do. I believe that people are being far too kind by endeavouring to ascribe some sort of mental illness to him. I think that that belittles the plight of people with genuine mental illnesses.

It is saddening to read that. My father is a psychiatrist and having grown up around the specialisation I can tell you it is not so clear cut as that. Those traits you describe are human traits...keyword human.

Many people, from felons to good upstanding citizens can suffer from a mental ilness. I have had friends who have suffered from clinical depression and can tell you that some of them were conniving, had tempers and were not perfect but for not one second did I ever say they did not deserve help.

Mental illnesses can work in ways that are still confusing to many, the human mind, its behavioural patterns and actions are still largely uknown *hence psychiatry is knows as the experimental science*.

[Beemer]

I'm sorry, but Veitch does not appear to have exhibited ANY of these traits UNTIL the news he had kicked his partner while she was on the floor came to the attention of the public.

No reports of a troubled childhood and no reports of any suicidal thoughts during his time on tv. No, only when he lost his 'mana' by giving his partner the bash and subsequently losing his job did he suddenly think of topping himself.

Apparently her wedding photos are in one of the women's magazines this week. Next week I suppose it will be a tour of Veitch's tragic places where he tried to say goodbye cruel world...

Tui anyone?

[candor]

Veitch has proven through his behaviours to be conniving, cunning, manipulative and deceitful. .

I agree but not all of what seems to be his manipulation is likely emanated from him. Lawyer + spin Dr renowned in the community for dirty play. A victim of himself and in near equal measure of seedy advice imo.

As noted above being conniving and mentally ill are not mutually exclusive. People with certain non coping and annoying types of personalities (a mental disorder if not illness under the mental health actdefinition) can be even more prone to depression (mental illness) or poor cognitive processing (which can be compounded by the sluggishness of depression).

For these reasons I'd not rule out there is real suicidality, even if an element of attention seeking may be apparent within that. It may be a good thing for his family if liking attention makes it easier to track his welfare. Where was the need for the media though to publicise it all - why not just refer calls to mental health or other appropriate places. It does not take all news readers to answer the call for help nor do we need to know about it.

Is NZ so short of news - I question journalism ethics in running such private stories inconsequential to the public - and recall that woman who suicided after sensationalist hounding over a sex case a while back.

[Hitcher]

Is NZ so short of news - I question journalism ethics in running such private stories inconsequential to the public - and recall that woman who suicided after sensationalist hounding over a sex case a while back.

Veitch has plied his trade as a celebrity. Celebrities are public figures who consciously opt in to the whole Woman's Day nonsense. Veitch has chosen to forego his rights to privacy, otherwise why would he have called at least one newspaper regarding his latest escapade? Live by the sword, die by the sword.

And I am struggling to recall the suicide to which you refer.

[candor]

Debbie Gerber was the name I think. A victim about which there was mud slinging, talked of jumping the ditch but then soon after quietly suicided.

[Beemer]

...It may be a good thing for his family if liking attention makes it easier to track his welfare. Where was the need for the media though to publicise it all - why not just refer calls to mental health or other appropriate places...

Veitch himself sent a text to the media - knowing full well that they would run it as a story. If he really did want help, he'd call a friend or family member and tell them where he was and what he planned to do.

I feel sorry for his wife - quite aside from the fact I feel sorry for her being married to him in the first place - he is putting her through hell. The family calling for the media to leave them in peace is a little late - he obviously consented to the Sunday story, the shorts I saw on tv didn't appear to have been filmed covertly.

A bit like the little boy crying wolf. I know it sounds harsh to say this, but if he does end up topping himself, I really doubt there will be much sympathy for him from the general public.

[forkoil]

Veitch himself sent a text to the media - knowing full well that they would run it as a story. If he really did want help, he'd call a friend or family member and tell them where he was and what he planned to do.

I feel sorry for his wife - quite aside from the fact I feel sorry for her being married to him in the first place - he is putting her through hell. The family calling for the media to leave them in peace is a little late - he obviously consented to the Sunday story, the shorts I saw on tv didn't appear to have been filmed covertly.

A bit like the little boy crying wolf. I know it sounds harsh to say this, but if he does end up topping himself, I really doubt there will be much sympathy for him from the general public.
Obviously not from you (or your sympathisers) at least. And the media doesnt gain out of this. Why the hell did the Herald run the stories on the front page about the character references? Cant they just let it lie. Personal dislike for someone is no excuse for wishing them dead

[Winston001]

I'm sorry, but Veitch does not appear to have exhibited ANY of these traits UNTIL the news he had kicked his partner while she was on the floor came to the attention of the public.

No reports of a troubled childhood and no reports of any suicidal thoughts during his time on tv. No, only when he lost his 'mana' by giving his partner the bash and subsequently losing his job did he suddenly think of topping himself.

Apparently her wedding photos are in one of the women's magazines this week. Next week I suppose it will be a tour of Veitch's tragic places where he tried to say goodbye cruel world...

Tui anyone?

I understand your cynicism and I'm no fan of Veitch.

However his suicidal actions are likely to be genuine. There is a concept known as the Imposter Syndrome where a person who succeeds secretly believes they are a fake. Outwardly successful, they build layers of confidence to keep up the pretence and lead a full life.

If that persons essential self-belief is fragile then a traumatic mistake can shatter the illusion. They are left with a raw vision of being exposed, mocked, and worthless. For a successful high profile person, the crash is cataclysmic. Their entire sense of identity is destroyed. I know a man this happened to and he has never recovered.

This won't happen to everyone, there is usually an underlying psychiatric trigger. The point is, simply because he hasn't previously shown outward signs of mental illness doesn't mean it wasn't there. He was just coping like many others.

[Hitcher]

Why the hell did the Herald run the stories on the front page about the character references? Cant they just let it lie. Personal dislike for someone is no excuse for wishing them dead

This is a matter of significant public interest. The media would be remiss in not reporting it. The issue is how much attention they give to it, and that is the news value judgement that editors make. The media hasn't yet taken sides on this matter and the reportage has been largely balanced, as responsible journalism should be. Just because a particular issue offends some people doesn't mean that it shouldn't be reported.

[Winston001]

Veitch himself sent a text to the media - knowing full well that they would run it as a story. If he really did want help, he'd call a friend or family member and tell them where he was and what he planned to do....


Not picking on you, but find myself in the odious position of defending this man in some areas.

He works in the media. Talking to them is normal. He has friends in the media. Its a natural thing for him to turn to that media particularly when under stress.

[Beemer]

Not picking on you, but find myself in the odious position of defending this man in some areas.

He works in the media. Talking to them is normal. He has friends in the media. Its a natural thing for him to turn to that media particularly when under stress.

Yes, but being in the media means he would know the meaning of "off the record" and his friends - if they are true friends and not just acquaintances - would be sensitive enough to recognise a cry for help and provide that rather than thinking "choice, a scoop!"

I have been a journalist for a number of years and have been told many things in confidence that would make fantastic stories. If I were an arsehole I'd have used those things rather than valuing my friendships.

[Swoop]

Veitch has proven through his behaviours to be conniving, cunning, manipulative and deceitful. Consequently I am of the view that his "suicidal" behaviour and attempts at irrationality are merely a guise to attract public sympathy that his previous strategy failed to do.
I am beginning to wonder if there is a book being written. Free publicity and all that.

[Beemer]

Obviously not from you (or your sympathisers) at least. And the media doesnt gain out of this. Why the hell did the Herald run the stories on the front page about the character references? Cant they just let it lie. Personal dislike for someone is no excuse for wishing them dead

On the subject of the references, I can understand why they ran the story, because the people who offered those references were being asked why and they were trying to justify their actions. However, in my opinion, if you are asked for a character reference and feel happy to give one, there should be no limitation on what that reference is then used for. Either you are happy to provide a character reference or you aren't. I think it makes those who are complaining look hypocritical. They were happy to give Veitch a reference when they believed the only people who would see it would be Internal Affairs officials. I don't actually have a problem with people giving character references for him - hell, I bet a lot of really nasty criminals appear in court with references from their friends saying what lovely people they are when they're not on P, etc. It's human nature to want people to know the person is not all bad.

Unfortunately the media will run what they think sells. As long as people keep buying the magazines or papers, they will keep running stories that make some of us sick.

[forkoil]

You dont think that because Veitch is himself a (successful) journalist, that he is more fair game from other (bitchy/jealous) journalists? That would be a bit ignoble wouldnt it.

[Hitcher]

You dont think that because Veitch is himself a (successful) journalist, that he is more fair game from other (bitchy/jealous) journalists? That would be a bit ignoble wouldnt it.

Veitch is a presenter, not a journalist. Despite what some may think, A Game Of Two Halves or reading the sports results on TV news isn't journalism.

[Beemer]

You dont think that because Veitch is himself a (successful) journalist, that he is more fair game from other (bitchy/jealous) journalists? That would be a bit ignoble wouldnt it.

He's a sports presenter - I wouldn't class him as a journalist, tv news is an entirely different ball game. I doubt they would be out to 'get him' because he is supposedly successful, they want to run stories about him because they know people will watch/buy their publications. That's why they are filled with stories about so-called Shortland Street 'stars' - people actually watch that crap and want to read about it too!

Half the time a journalist doesn't have a lot of say in what stories they follow - it's the news editor's job to assign stories. If they think it's something the public will be interested in (compared with in the public interest, which is something the public should know), they will run with it. And if TV3 runs something, of course TV1 has to or they will be accused of protecting their own.

Edited to add - thank you Hitcher, for recognising there is a difference!

[forkoil]

Veitch is a presenter, not a journalist. Despite what some may think, A Game Of Two Halves or reading the sports results on TV news isn't journalism.
You are confident about that Hitcher? You wouldnt be a journalist would you? :innocent:

[Beemer]

Some news presenters started off as journalists, but if you seriously think they write all their own material, you're sadly mistaken. I am a journalist and I used to work as a researcher on a television news show. We'd have a meeting with the news editor and the presenter and they would decide what stories we would follow up on for that week. Guess who would spend the next few days running around like a blue arsed fly, chasing up leads, finding information, getting people to appear on the show? Not the fucking presenter, that's for sure!

[forkoil]

This has probably already been said in this thread but I think newspaper editors underestimate their audience if they think we arent often disgusted at their lack of decency in cases like this. The dumbing down of newspapers and media in general in my lifetime is disturbing to say the least, and justification of their actions supports this trend.

[Beemer]

Unfortunately it still sells papers - in fact more papers are sold when people do think the line has been crossed - it's human nature to be morally offended. And it's increasingly the advertisers/shareholders steering the paper and not the editor. If it sells, they will print it. Good news doesn't sell as many papers as bad news.

[discotex]

Many people in this thread,practically a 50% split have suggested that KDP deserved to have her back broken because "she pushed him into it".

Think you've misread 50% of the posts then. I don't recall seeing a single post that says or implies she deserved to be assaulted or that the assault was in any way excusable.



I'm not revelling in his mental health issues.

That wasn't aimed at your post JD. Was just saving post count by putting another point in the one post.

[Papa Bear]

One confirmed ignorant dickhead in this thread, waiting for others to display their intellect.

you gave me negative rep for having my opinion.. you sad sad mother fucker

[discotex]

you gave me negative rep for having my opinion.. you sad sad mother fucker

Let me call you the

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[Papa Bear]

Let me call you the whaambulance

I remember now why I stopped coming to this web site. Ok, you win. Bye.

[mynameis]

you gave me negative rep for having my opinion.. you sad sad mother fucker

NO I haven't, I sign my reps but maybe it's time to dish out one now!

[rosie631]

Veitch has plied his trade as a celebrity. Celebrities are public figures who consciously opt in to the whole Woman's Day nonsense. Veitch has chosen to forego his rights to privacy, otherwise why would he have called at least one newspaper regarding his latest escapade? Live by the sword, die by the sword

I'm totally with you on this one Hitcher.

[Patrick]

If you support the excuse, you support the culture that says it's OK to bash a mouthy woman. There is no excuse for bashing someone.

She did not in any way deserve that, nor did she "push" him into it.

"Women are good at that"?

Come on!!

Now where did that one come from??????????????? No one has supported it.

She did not deserve that = absolutely correct...

"Women are good at pushing buttons" and "Come on!!" It happens in the real world. Does it make it an excuse? Hell no, its only an explanation.... a piss poor one, but.......

I've been breaking up domestics for 24 years and finding out why they occurred in the first place..... what do I know.....

[Indiana_Jones]

Yay!


IT'S THE NEVERENDING STORY!

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-Indy

[Lula]

Veitch's Supporters Take Us Back To The Dark Ages:
Press Release: Roundtable on Violence Against Women

"These well known New Zealanders individually and collectively sent a message to our men and boys that violently assaulting your partner is OK. Likewise they sent a message to our women and girls that if your partner assaults you, you are less likely to be listened to if he has influential friends and the 'mates' who think he's a 'good guy'."

Read the full story here:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0904/S00149.htm

[mynameis]

Sooo any news on Veitch?

[chef]

feel sorry for the dude he hit a women pretty sad but doesnt deserve all what he got. (hope she got a good hiding for doing this to him)

[MisterD]

Sooo any news on Veitch?

What, apart from his ex hanging around with Sophie Elliott's folks, apparently trying to equate what he did with Clayton Wetherspoon...?

[Mekk]

feel sorry for the dude he hit a women pretty sad but doesnt deserve all what he got. (hope she got a good hiding for doing this to him)

I will not feel sorry for any man who hits a woman in anything other than last resort self-defence.

He deserved jail, in my opinion.

[ynot slow]

I will not feel sorry for any man who hits a woman in anything other than last resort self-defence.

He deserved jail, in my opinion.

True about Veitch,but why can't she let the Elliott's have their day in court.I think the family conducted themselves with dignity considering the circumstances.Is nothing to do with her the only difference is she was beaten,not killed,and I don't believe Veitch was going to kill her.Seems like she has been out of limelight and this was good publicity,shame Bain and co weren't there to tell Weatherspooning what jail is like.

[peasea]

feel sorry for the dude he hit a women pretty sad but doesnt deserve all what he got. (hope she got a good hiding for doing this to him)

Yes he fucking does. I hope he gets more, kicking anyone (male or female) in the back that hard deseves to get some BIG shit in return.

The guy is a cock.

[peasea]

Weatherspooning

Is that like "give him some time in jail and ask "whether spooning" is fun or not?

In jail, I'd guess 'not'.

:buggerd: Especially if you have a warm back.

[ready4whatever]

Veitch and Weatherston could sit down and disuss their hatred towards woman. Tony: "Them god damn woman, piss me off! , she needed a beating" Clayton "yeah dude, I show you how it done eh?"
Seriously though I think Veitch should go to jail for a couple years. and Clayton get 250 years with a minimum parol period of 120

[scumdog]

Ask yourself:

If he had killed her with one blow to the head would he have been penalised the same?

No?

So he is being penalised at a ratio of blows per second or something?

So if logic rules then ANY homicide should result in the same penalty?

Or something....

OK, my stepson is here from Aussie with his doris and we have been drinking Makers Mark.

[peasea]

Ask yourself:

If he had killed her with one blow to the head would he have been penalised the same?

No?

So he is being penalised at a ratio of blows per second or something?

So if logic rules then ANY homicide should result in the same penalty?

Or something....

OK, my stepson is here from Aussie with his doris and we have been drinking Makers Mark.

That's got to be the best time to introduce new legislation.

[scumdog]

That's got to be the best time to introduce new legislation.


Thank you, nice to see SOMEBODY has the same logical line of thought!

[peasea]

Thank you, nice to see SOMEBODY has the same logical line of thought!

For some reason I thought of Piggy Muldoon.
Dunno why.............:whistle:

[ynot slow]

Ask yourself:

If he had killed her with one blow to the head would he have been penalised the same?

No?

So he is being penalised at a ratio of blows per second or something?

So if logic rules then ANY homicide should result in the same penalty?

Or something....

OK, my stepson is here from Aussie with his doris and we have been drinking Makers Mark.

The thing with judicial system is the judge giving the sentance is pretty much the sole adjudecator on time frame.Whether one shot,stab or hit,it is still a death caused by someone.So if the judge has idea I'll send this arsehole away for years so be it,likewise if he/she decides I'll go lightly on him they can(within legislation of minimum terms),no consistancy really,mind you sentances are getting to be longer non parole.Still 18 years is cold comfort to Elliotts when Weatherston is released in time,his life goes on,albeit what state of mind then.

[alanzs]

Still 18 years is cold comfort to Elliotts when Weatherston is released in time,his life goes on,albeit what state of mind then.

I can only imagine that they feel any comfort at all. Besides having their daughter mudrdered in front of the mum, they had to listen to the MURDERER trash their defenseless and dead daughter. 18 years is not justice. Life without parole for murderers! NZ is too soft on crime; hence there are so many victims... FUCK CRIMS!!!!

[Forest]

Ask yourself:
So if logic rules then ANY homicide should result in the same penalty?

It would not be logical or fair if any homicide resulted in the same penalty.

[vifferman]

Whataspooner is a dickless dick.
Remorse? Pffftt!!

Getting your lawyer to say, "he said he had been thinking about the horrendous thing that happened" is not remorse.
Saying, "I was thinking about what an evil cunt I am, and I'm very sorry for what I did to that poort girl, how I trashed her name, and I'm terribly sorry for all the hurt, distress, and anguish I've caused, and the cost to the taxpayer", then hanging himself - THAT would be remorse.

[mynameis]

How come Clayton took over this thread? There's a special thread which I dug for him at the same time as this :clap: :lol: (jrandoms thread)