Veitch sentenced

[Mully]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/2339278/Veitch-sentenced

Nine months supervision, 300 hours community service and $10K fine. Plus a "Stop Violence" program if his parole officer deems it necessary.

Hope he got his $150K hush money back. I wonder if he has a case to sue her to get it back........

[mynameis]

Very dicey one aye, he got done twice.

I feel sorry for him, not that I approve of what he did but he sure has had his share of punishment in comparison to what some people get in this country for rape murder ect.

[gammaguy]

they say only stupid people get convicted.

that proves it right there.

as soon as he paid her to keep quiet,he admitted his guilt,it was only a matter of time.

serves the bastard right,there is way too much violence out there,because people cant communicate and work things out.

it takes a bigger man(or woman)to walk away rather than resort to hitting someone,no matter how much they may deserve it.

sadly,if he was not "famous"the whole case possibly would never have seen the light of day,or at best been ignored by the media.

[MisterD]

Nine months supervision, 300 hours community service and $10K fine. Plus a "Stop Violence" program if his parole officer deems it necessary.

Hope he got his $150K hush money back. I wonder if he has a case to sue her to get it back........

$160k is just the tip of the lost earnings iceberg...he would still have been playing if he'd been an All Black...

A pretty successful revenge attack by "her" all in all....

[mynameis]

they say only stupid people get convicted.

that proves it right there.

as soon as he paid her to keep quiet,he admitted his guilt,it was only a matter of time.

serves the bastard right,there is way too much violence out there,because people cant communicate and work things out.

it takes a bigger man(or woman)to walk away rather than resort to hitting someone,no matter how much they may deserve it.

sadly,if he was not "famous"the whole case possibly would never have seen the light of day,or at best been ignored by the media.

He didn't beat you did he? :laugh:

[gammaguy]

He didn't beat you did he? :laugh:

yup

but he paid me $200K

so im keeping STFU:cool:

[mynameis]

No file a case against him you'll get more money :lol:


Blady good reporter though.

[Hitcher]

Blady good reporter though.

Veitch is a presenter, not a reporter. There's a very big difference.

He's now also a convicted thug who seems to have avoided a jail sentence, thanks to a bit of cunning legal manouvering.

[2_SL0]

Veitch is a presenter, not a reporter. There's a very big difference.

He's now also a convicted thug who seems to have avoided a jail sentence, thanks to a bit of cunning legal manouvering.

Agreed, but luckily in NZ society he will be rewarded and thought of as hero shortly. :(

[MisterD]

He's now also a convicted thug who seems to have avoided a jail sentence, thanks to a bit of cunning legal manouvering.

Whispers suggest that the victim is no angel either...rabbit stew anyone?

[Hitcher]

Whispers suggest that the victim is no angel either...

That surely doesn't excuse for a nanosecond what Mr Veitch inflicted on her?

[Dargor]

I think the sentence he got was good. Sure some people might go to prison for that, but prison might not be the best for rehabilitation, he can afford an alternative, so be it. With his heigh profile he could do alot of good for demestic violence, if he changes his ways.

[yungatart]

Since when has being able to 'afford an alternative to prison', been grounds for a lesser sentence?
Can wealthy people buy judges, as well as lawyers, these days?
Heaven help me if I am ever accused of something... I will be languishing in jail quick smart!

[DougieNZ]

Veitch is a presenter, not a reporter. There's a very big difference.

He's now also a convicted thug who seems to have avoided a jail sentence, thanks to a bit of cunning legal manouvering.

Now now Hitcher....

He has pleaded guilty to one charge. The others have been dropped - so therefore he has no case to answer...

I have seen much lesser setences for crimes worse than "injury with reckless disregard"

The $150,000 Veitch has already paid to her was taken in to account - and so it should be.

On the evidence that the judge had in front of her, then a fair decision was made.

The sentence (or lack of jail time) judgement should be the same no matter who the person is....

Or is this yet another case of tall poppy syndrome here in NZ??

If this was Mr Smith from Invercargill would we be baying for blood?

[Robbo]

Not condoning what he did for one minute, but why are'nt judges just as hard on all thugs who so often beat their victims to within an inch of their lives.
Seems to be two sets of rules here. :angry2:

[Dargor]

The sentence (or lack of jail time) judgement should be the same no matter who the person is....

How much of your taxes do you want spent on criminals.

Sorry but money is what makes the world go round. It is an issue, in situations like this.

[MisterD]

That surely doesn't excuse for a nanosecond what Mr Veitch inflicted on her?

I honestly don't know - it appears that there's much that we don't know about this case and I suspect that the victim's wish that the whole story not come out in court has a lot to do with the negotiated outcome.

I don't know how I'd react if an ex of mine was threatening my wife and then let themselves into my house...

[ynot slow]

He was convicted on one charge only,not the many he could have been up for and if guilty(in court)would be doing time,obviously got wind he didn't want to meet bubba in showers,so asked for a plea bargain.

The fact he payed money showed he was guilty and stupid expecting her to stay queit,all she had to do was say news papers and he had to pay more.Should have owned up first time,accepted his doings as wrong and taken sentance,he could have said I'll pay reperation of $xxx as well.

[Burtha]

Chances are there will be a shitload else out there we don't know, even to others. No excuses and no justice will ever prevail for such violence.

I have zero tolerance and only one word = bullet.
much cheaper too.
<_<

[mynameis]

Veitch is a presenter, not a reporter. There's a very big difference.

He's now also a convicted thug who seems to have avoided a jail sentence, thanks to a bit of cunning legal manouvering.

Veitch is a Presenter AND a Reporter not just a Presenter.

What he said below:


Now now Hitcher....

He has pleaded guilty to one charge. The others have been dropped - so therefore he has no case to answer...

I have seen much lesser setences for crimes worse than "injury with reckless disregard"

The $150,000 Veitch has already paid to her was taken in to account - and so it should be.

On the evidence that the judge had in front of her, then a fair decision was made.

The sentence (or lack of jail time) judgement should be the same no matter who the person is....

Or is this yet another case of tall poppy syndrome here in NZ??

If this was Mr Smith from Invercargill would we be baying for blood?

+1

[mattian]

I honestly don't know - it appears that there's much that we don't know about this case and I suspect that the victim's wish that the whole story not come out in court has a lot to do with the negotiated outcome.

I don't know how I'd react if an ex of mine was threatening my wife and then let themselves into my house...

yeah..... don't know aye. Just kick her down the stairs and break her back like Veitchie did. Yours probably won't make the news though bro.:whistle:

[Hitcher]

If this was Mr Smith from Invercargill would we be baying for blood?

If this was Mr Smith from Invercargill, he would be doing serious jail time. Mr Smith would be on legal aid at best, and would not have been saved by his celebrity.

There is no excuse for domestic violence of the kind that Mr Veitch has been convicted of, and I am appalled that some here are either looking to forgive Veitch or to divert blame onto his victim. He's only an over-hyped, public service sports jock presenter for fuck's sake.

[Dargor]

There is no excuse for domestic violence of the kind that Mr Veitch has been convicted of, and I am appalled that some here are either looking to forgive Veitch or to divert blame onto his victim. He's only an over-hyped, public service sports jock presenter for fuck's sake.

Whats wrong with forgiving people.

[Hitcher]

Whats wrong with forgiving people.

Forgiveness is like respect. It needs to be earned.

[Indoo]

Not condoning what he did for one minute, but why are'nt judges just as hard on all thugs who so often beat their victims to within an inch of their lives.
Seems to be two sets of rules here. :angry2:

What do you mean? I hope your not trying to suggest that Veitch got dealt with more harshly by the Judge because of who he is, if anything its the absolute opposite.

He deserves everything that hes got, he broke a womens back when he kicked her lying on the ground and then tried to buy his way out of it. Would people have the same level of sympathy towards the offender if it had been Mongrel Mob Member, at least the gang member might have the excuse of being bashed and abused as a child, what was Veitches?

[mattian]

He broke her back FFS! How does his long overdue prosecution make her a vindictive bitch? Its not like she made it up..... HE BROKE HER BACK !! and then he tried to keep her quiet with hush money!!!

[Skyryder]

Cunt kicked her down the stairs and left her with broken vertabrea

Judge should be sentanced too.

Skyryder

[Skyryder]

If this was Mr Smith from Invercargill, he would be doing serious jail time. Mr Smith would be on legal aid at best, and would not have been saved by his celebrity.

There is no excuse for domestic violence of the kind that Mr Veitch has been convicted of, and I am appalled that some here are either looking to forgive Veitch or to divert blame onto his victim. He's only an over-hyped, public service sports jock presenter for fuck's sake.

With you on this one Hitch.

Skyryder

[mattian]

Oh!! Campbell live tonight! interviews with both victim and cuntface himself........ (separately of course) Might shed some more light on what actually happened.

[Indoo]

woman comes across, to me as a nasty vindictave bitch who has a warped agenda. We werent there, we dont know how mych input into making Tony "break" and hit her. Yes, Tony was in the wrong and it appears to me that he accepts that and is remorseful, people do make mistakes BUT I think it sux when someone exploits that mistake for their own agenda or gain.

And yet you don't know her at all or what motivated her to come forward, but your still prepared to call her that on the basis of what exactly?

How much money has she made from all the T.V interviews she's done, the exclusive womens day interviews etc, if she was after money or fame she could have made a killing rather than doing the exact opposite.

I must have had a warped upbringing to believe that beating women or anyone defenceless out of anger wasn't acceptable, let alone kicking someone lying on the ground breaking their back.

[2_SL0]

If this was Mr Smith from Invercargill, he would be doing serious jail time. Mr Smith would be on legal aid at best, and would not have been saved by his celebrity.

There is no excuse for domestic violence of the kind that Mr Veitch has been convicted of, and I am appalled that some here are either looking to forgive Veitch or to divert blame onto his victim. He's only an over-hyped, public service sports jock presenter for fuck's sake.

I refer to my earlier post.

[Stan]

I can't believe how many people are defending Veitch.

He's a gutless little shit who beats up girls.

Heard him on the radio today saying he longed for his day in court and how he'll sue some of the media who hurt his feelings. Heard his lawyer saying that they would have given her a hard time in court and they've done her a favour by pleading guilty.

Looks to me like Veitch still thinks HE'S the victim!

I'd love to see him sue anyone over this because then the evidence will get heard in open court and I really don't think he wants that.

[Mom]

Mr Veitch assulted his former partner of that there is no doubt. He admitted it when he paid hush money to her so she did not say anything. If you have even the smallest grasp of domestic violence and the power and control wheel you will recognise this for yet another attempt of the holder of the power to manipulate the situation to suit themselves. He bashed and kicked her, though he only publicly admitted "lashing out at her". A woman that has been in this situation really feels helpless to do anything and it takes a certain amount of self recovery time to find the ability to actually follow through and make changes. The changes to the balance of power came the day she followed up on her original complaint to the police.

See Veitch squirm then! All the look me, I am very sorry, I regret what I did, I paid her to be quiet, feel sorry for me I have had to stand down from my job, I am depressed, I am suicidal, bullshit that has been forthcoming from his camp since this came to light makes me physically sick! He is a thug and a bully and he has been brought to justice! Any of you out there that think it is ok to treat any other human being (let alone a woman) the way this prick treated his ex partner then the hell with you too!

The only reason he has appeared in court today is so he can move along with his life. He was in limbo due to the court system delays and could not regain employment with this hanging over his head. He has arranged a plea bargin, and I think he has got off very lightly. Yes, I hear the argument about the general thugs in society not getting harsh penalities, tough shit. All thugs should get harsh penalities, but thugs that abuse their partners inside a relationship deserve as much penalty as can be delivered under law!

He pled guilty, it was a calculated decision. There is no way you can qualify domestic thuggery to make it more palitable. Pity he is not in jail!

Bring on the red rep!

[Mom]

If this was Mr Smith from Invercargill would we be baying for blood?

I WOULD!

The saddest thing about domestic violence in NZ is the fact that it is hidden, swept under the carpet and ignored. Oh how we wring our hands when children get killed, but domestic violence is out there, happeneing all the time.

If we actually gave a shit then Mr Smith from Invercargill would have his face on TV, he would have to leave his job, he would have to suffer the outrage of the wider population of NZ. As it stands, Mr Smith, gets away unscathed, even if he gets as far as the justice system, he will get a bit of a telling off from the judge, maybe convicted and discharged, and no one knows about it.

Any man that does even the little bit that Veitch has admitted to to a woman is scum, and should not breed to allow his tendancies to be passed down to his kids!

[discotex]

:zzzz:

How predictable was this thread? KB lynch mobs on both sides and very few moderate views that take into account it generally takes two to tango.

If only life was as black and white and the goodies and baddies were as easy to spot as they are in the movies.

[mynameis]

:zzzz:

How predictable was this thread? KB lynch mobs on both sides and very few moderate views that take into account it generally takes two to tango.

If only life was as black and white and the goodies and baddies were as easy to spot as they are in the movies.

Yeap, one small thing. Justice was served.

If only these posters with balls of steel would take the same stance in all aspects of violence in our society NZ would be a different place.

[Creeping Death]

Yadda yadda yadda!He paid her out yet she still sang like a fucking canary!!I'd ask for my money back!:bash:

[Headbanger]

She should pay the money back as soon as he takes back breaking her back.

[Ms Piggy]

Yadda yadda yadda!He paid her out yet she still sang like a fucking canary!!I'd ask for my money back!:bash:

Actually...she never
sang like a fucking canarythe victim actually didn't even ever report it and stayed out of the media hype.

I find it incredibly disturbing that some of the posts are almost saying that the victim deserved what she got and should have kept quiet because he gave her money. Another case of people talking about something they know sweet FA about.

It staggers me (and pisses me off) the way people spout off opinions about a myriad of topics having done nothing more than adopted the opinions of others/the media without doing any actual research of their own! :argh:

[firecracker]

Just watched the Close Up interview. Looking at the big picture, it seems that Veitch and the singing canary were a well matched pair of calculating shits. This does'nt by any measures justify the 'lashing out' courtesy of Mr.Veitch. Palease.....talk about playing it down Tony, you're are a woman beater, end of story.

I do wonder about his wife. This whole thing must be bloody awful for her!

What's the bet that he gets his 150K back through anti-violence ads.

[marty]

Since when has being able to 'afford an alternative to prison', been grounds for a lesser sentence?
Can wealthy people buy judges, as well as lawyers, these days?
Heaven help me if I am ever accused of something... I will be languishing in jail quick smart!

The Asian guy who, while running from police on SH1 Rangiriri crashed into the disused Mobil, crushing an innocent girl to her death in front of her dad?

That one springs to mind.

[awayatc]

How the fuck can some people talk about tall poppy syndrome when the little shit is only 4 foot tall....?

[enigma51]

What ever the story she most likely asked for it

[Hitcher]

it generally takes two to tango.


What ever the story she most likely asked for it
But one tango partner rarely, if ever, breaks the other's back. Please try and keep some perspective here. I don't care how much Veitch may have been taunted. He could have killed a defenseless woman. He is lucky he's not in jail.

"Please break my back, Tony!" For fuck's sake, believing that anybody "asked" for such punishment is a sign of a total lack of any grasp on reality.

If I was a broadcaster with ethics, this guy wouldn't be working for me. As far as I am concerned, he has foregone any rights he may have once had to be a "public figure".

[98tls]

But one tango partner rarely, if ever, breaks the other's back. Please try and keep some perspective here. I don't care how much Veitch may have been taunted. He could have killed a defenseless woman. He is lucky he's not in jail.

If I was a broadcaster with ethics, this guy wouldn't be working for me. As far as I am concerned, he has foregone any rights he may have once had to be a "public figure". Have to agree there Hitch,cant believe his old radio boss "will be having talks etc".Seems he has no problem with the limelight though as seems keen to work on the cashflow by suing.Who knows maybe a position in one of the new Maori only jails,he could give pointers on the correct way to beat up the Mrs and leave her still able to cook.

[discotex]

But one tango partner rarely, if ever, breaks the other's back. Please try and keep some perspective here. I don't care how much Veitch may have been taunted. He could have killed a defenseless woman. He is lucky he's not in jail.


Ok lets try and keep some perspective rather than buying into media hype.

1. The series of events that lead to her injuries and their extent are not known or proven in a court of law. They are media leaks. For all you and I know the injuries may have been accidental and/or in self defense.

2. Women are not defenseless. That is a myth and women need to be empowered to fight for their lives or be empowered to leave an abusive relationship.

3. There is no doubt that this situation could have been prevented had either party disengaged at an earlier point.

4. Your average person convicted of the same charges would get off with a slap of the wrist. Why should he be treated any differently?


Passing judgment on either party without all the facts is impossible and only leads to a bigoted viewpoint.

[325rocket]

What's the bet that he gets his 150K back through anti-violence ads.

hes to crafty for that, he would donate any earnings from the ads (that will happen) to woman's refuge.


What ever the story she most likely asked for it
what a fucking load of shit.

[325rocket]

Ok lets try and keep some perspective rather than buying into media hype.

1. The series of events that lead to her injuries and their extent are not known or proven in a court of law. They are media leaks. For all you and I know the injuries may have been accidental and/or in self defense.


actually they have been officially released to the media.
he did seem to try to remove himself from the situation by going for a drive to ??? beach to chill out. returned hoping she had left but unfortunately she was still there. a lot of yelling went on in the bed room, he tried to leave she blocked his way (while laying on the floor) in a fit of rage he kicked her. bla bla bla more talking ... 4 hours later she got up to go to the toilet and was in pain so he drove her to the hospital. the rest is pretty well known.
at the end of the day it doesnt really matter, he kicked her in the back!

[98tls]

Ok lets try and keep some perspective rather than buying into media hype.

1. The series of events that lead to her injuries and their extent are not known or proven in a court of law. They are media leaks. For all you and I know the injuries may have been accidental and/or in self defense.

2. Women are not defenseless. That is a myth and women need to be empowered to fight for their lives or be empowered to leave an abusive relationship.

3. There is no doubt that this situation could have been prevented had either party disengaged at an earlier point.

4. Your average person convicted of the same charges would get off with a slap of the wrist. Why should he be treated any differently?


Passing judgment on either party without all the facts is impossible and only leads to a bigoted viewpoint. He admitted kicking the shit out of a women,fuck him,thats the only fact that matters.Hopefully down lifes merry way someone kicks the shit out of him,hes a bitch so may well understand...finally.

[Hitcher]

Ok lets try and keep some perspective rather than buying into media hype.

1. The series of events that lead to her injuries and their extent are not known or proven in a court of law.

They don't have to be. Veitch pleaded guilty, was convicted and charged.



4. Your average person convicted of the same charges would get off with a slap of the wrist. Why should he be treated any differently?
Your "average" person can't afford high-powered lawyers and would probably be doing jail time for such an offence. I'm not talking about what we do or don't know based on what's reported, just on the basis of the charge on which Veitch was convicted.

Irrespective of what led him to viciously assault a former partner, Veitch is now a convicted criminal and should expect to carry the baggage that goes with that. Trying to shift the blame or to hound media who may have printed things he disagrees with does him no credit.

[Skyryder]

I watched some of the media types that do the employing on TV tonight.

Seems no one is ruling out a comeback for Veitch.


Skyryder

[rosie631]

He admitted kicking the shit out of a women,fuck him,thats the only fact that matters.

Yep, you are right. Kicking someone when they're down. This guy is another total tool. I thought she came across much better on Campbell than he did too.

[98tls]

Yep, you are right. Kicking someone when they're down. This guy is another total tool. I thought she came across much better on Campbell than he did too. Didnt see her or him,didnt see any need after hearing that he admitted giving her a hiding.Cant believe anyone would find it excusable no matter what,as i posted before i sincerely hope someone gives him a smack,that he will understand.

[Mom]

Ok lets try and keep some perspective rather than buying into media hype.

1. The series of events that lead to her injuries and their extent are not known or proven in a court of law. They are media leaks. For all you and I know the injuries may have been accidental and/or in self defense.

2. Women are not defenseless. That is a myth and women need to be empowered to fight for their lives or be empowered to leave an abusive relationship.

3. There is no doubt that this situation could have been prevented had either party disengaged at an earlier point.

4. Your average person convicted of the same charges would get off with a slap of the wrist. Why should he be treated any differently?


Passing judgment on either party without all the facts is impossible and only leads to a bigoted viewpoint.

1. They dont have to be, he has admitted them.

2. Some women in relationships are reduced to a helpless state, I agree they need to be empowered to fight back, the question is how when they simply cant see a way out of where they are.

3. Either party "disengage" shows your lack of understanding of abusive relationships mate. The one who OWNS the relationship is not likely, even under threat of jail time, to give up the POWER, he will fight and manipulate and bully, and cry, and blubber and threaten suicide before giving up the control. As far as the non-owner goes, they will have to build a shit load of self esteem before they can begin to "disengage".

4. Passing judgement is easy now in this instance, I personally have seen Veitch face a press conference and admit he "lashed out", he regrets his actions, and has paid for loss of earnings and medical treatment for his ex. Today we have had him plead guilty to assulting his ex. It happened, we dont need all the facts. The facts are he bashed his ex. You can not deny it happend surely?

[BuFfY]

Is he married again now? Or was he married when he was seeing this other lady? I wonder if he has hit/kicked/lashed out at his current partner.

[jrandom]

I still, quite honestly, haven't figured out why anyone cares about this.

I rode past Veitch and the media scrum outside the Auckland District Court today. If I hadn't been in a mild hurry I might've stopped to see if anything lulz-worthy was being said.

And maybe said hi to me mum in front of one of the TV cameras.

Sometimes the general idiocy of our society depresses me. Just a little bit.

[rosie631]

Is he married again now? Or was he married when he was seeing this other lady? I wonder if he has hit/kicked/lashed out at his current partner.

He got married after he beat her up but before it all became public.

[98tls]

I still, quite honestly, haven't figured out why anyone cares about this.

I rode past Veitch and the media scrum outside the Auckland District Court today. If I hadn't been in a mild hurry I might've stopped to see if anything lulz-worthy was being said.

And maybe said hi to me mum in front of one of the TV cameras.

Sometimes the general idiocy of our society depresses me. Just a little bit. :2thumbsup:killingme:killingme.Believe me not a crack at you personally jr but that post reminds me why i moved back south,in fact as south as i could at the time.

[98tls]

He got married after he beat her up but before it all became public. Got to feel for the new Mrs,imagine when the car wont start:mad:What to do......run like fuck or hit the deck with my back against a wall?If her i certainly wouldnt muck about when descending the stairs.

[Trudes]

I still, quite honestly, haven't figured out why anyone cares about this.

I rode past Veitch and the media scrum outside the Auckland District Court today. If I hadn't been in a mild hurry I might've stopped to see if anything lulz-worthy was being said.

And maybe said hi to me mum in front of one of the TV cameras.

Sometimes the general idiocy of our society depresses me. Just a little bit.

Shut UP!!!! I hate having to agree with you!!:eek5:

[FJRider]

Passing judgment on either party without all the facts is impossible and only leads to a bigoted viewpoint.

All the facts were known to the courts... THEY passed judgment...

We are merely expressing our opinions.... and thoughts.... On the subject...

[Robbo]

What do you mean? I hope your not trying to suggest that Veitch got dealt with more harshly by the Judge because of who he is, if anything its the absolute opposite.

He deserves everything that hes got, he broke a womens back when he kicked her lying on the ground and then tried to buy his way out of it. Would people have the same level of sympathy towards the offender if it had been Mongrel Mob Member, at least the gang member might have the excuse of being bashed and abused as a child, what was Veitches?

Go back and read my post again and digest it properly this time before ranting off. :angry2:

[discotex]

Oh dear.. Here we go.

I am playing devils advocate to provoke some thought but it's pretty clear you all have made up your mind long ago and are just looking to vent.

But I'll give it another go. See if you can play the ball not the man....


They don't have to be. Veitch pleaded guilty, was convicted and charged.


To which charges and which allegations? What did he actually plead guilty to in the end?

(I've been too busy working and having a life to pay super close attention to today's updates).



Your "average" person can't afford high-powered lawyers and would probably be doing jail time for such an offence. I'm not talking about what we do or don't know based on what's reported, just on the basis of the charge on which Veitch was convicted.

As I understand it the charge he's pled guilty to would normally be a similar sentence for the average person.

Happy to be proven wrong there.



Irrespective of what led him to viciously assault a former partner, Veitch is now a convicted criminal and should expect to carry the baggage that goes with that. Trying to shift the blame or to hound media who may have printed things he disagrees with does him no credit.

I totally agree.


1. They dont have to be, he has admitted them.

All of them? Which facts relating to which charges have been admitted to?



2. Some women in relationships are reduced to a helpless state, I agree they need to be empowered to fight back, the question is how when they simply cant see a way out of where they are.

I agree. However this notion that women are defenseless partially contributes to the disempowerement of women in that situation. It's like the constant "it's impossible to quit smoking" crap that stops smokers from even trying to quit. We need to promote taking positive steps for women to get out and back it up with support when they make the effort.



3. Either party "disengage" shows your lack of understanding of abusive relationships mate. The one who OWNS the relationship is not likely, even under threat of jail time, to give up the POWER, he will fight and manipulate and bully, and cry, and blubber and threaten suicide before giving up the control. As far as the non-owner goes, they will have to build a shit load of self esteem before they can begin to "disengage".

I wouldn't make too many assumptions about what I know and don't know if I were you Mom.

Firstly you are assuming it wasn't a bilateral abusive relationship which it appears to have been. E.g. they were both abusing each other mentally in a co-dependent manner.

Secondly I agree that in a unilateral abusive relationship the person being abused needs a shit load of guts to disengage from the situation. Unfortunately too many women wait too late. That's got to change as sadly too many women don't see a way out when there's often so many people waiting to help them at the drop of a hat (friends/family/agencies/etc).



4. Passing judgement is easy now in this instance, I personally have seen Veitch face a press conference and admit he "lashed out", he regrets his actions, and has paid for loss of earnings and medical treatment for his ex. Today we have had him plead guilty to assulting his ex. It happened, we dont need all the facts. The facts are he bashed his ex. You can not deny it happend surely?

No I don't deny he's assaulted his ex. What I'm saying is we don't have the full story.

Take for example the case of the Australian women who shot her husband and chopped him up with an axe. Should the book be thrown at her and face life imprisoned?

Now how do you change your opinion if I tell you she shot him because she feared his years of abuse was about to result in her being killed?


Don't get me wrong, I personally don't think that's anything like the case here. I do think placing all the blame at Tony's feet is a very black and white way to view the world. There's no doubt he's on the wrong. I have no doubt she's run a calculated PR campaign (her profession) to make us feel she's an angel and he's the devil when in reality they're both sad cases.

The difference between them is he crossed a line that cannot be ignored. I think he's already suffered more than your average wife basher on the public humiliation alone. That's far worse than any prison sentence.

[discotex]

All the facts were known to the courts... THEY passed judgment...

Rightly so.



We are merely expressing our opinions.... and thoughts.... On the subject...

Some are. Most are making assumptions that the facts released to the media are proven or admitted to without being privy to the evidence before the court.

[ManDownUnder]

Today we have had him plead guilty to assulting his ex. It happened, we dont need all the facts. The facts are he bashed his ex. You can not deny it happend surely?

In this case I do believe it happened, but having recently seen some of the wheels that turn in legal circles... a guilty plea doesn't necessarilky mean the deed was done. It could well be the lesser admission they're willing to make in order to swap for other benefits... reduced legal fees and no more charges being pressed for example.

It's kind of shameful really. The actualy truth doesn't necessarily come out, more like the course of least resistance gets taken. The one that best suits both parties (prosecution and defense).

This discussion is about to get REAL interesting.

[ManDownUnder]

The post I wanted to make was made by Discotex (bling granted by the way).

First we need to understand. Why did he do it? Yes he's wrong for doing it, yes there's a bunch of stuff around it that abfuscates the story. But first and foremost - why did he do it? What drove him to that point where he took the course of action he did?

And will we ever actually know?

[98tls]

The post I wanted to make was made by Discotex (bling granted by the way).

First we need to understand. Why did he do it? Yes he's wrong for doing it, yes there's a bunch of stuff around it that abfuscates the story. But first and foremost - why did he do it? What drove him to that point where he took the course of action he did?

And will we ever actually know? Some will excuse by saying maybe hes suffered that fate when a child,to me anyway that makes him more a loser than his old man,the only other reason hes got a temper he cant control,once again..loser.

[ital916]

:zzzz:

How predictable was this thread? KB lynch mobs on both sides and very few moderate views that take into account it generally takes two to tango.

If only life was as black and white and the goodies and baddies were as easy to spot as they are in the movies.

I agree wholeheartedly. One partner or human being should never lay their hand on another unless in a situation where ones self preservation or well being is at risk. Partners should not use violence to solve situations, unfortunately many partners dont talk about problems until or boils over.

I must state though that there is more to this case than meets the eye, there is no black and white and mr veitchs former partner is no angel. No she does not deserve to have violence used against her but keep in mind the nz justice system has its flaws and a situation where there are two sides to a story can quickly become a one sided witch hunt.

I am not defending his actions but there is no way of knowing what went down exactly.

The problem I see is how men in domestic situations are naturally thought of as agressors. I find it funny how women sometimes talk about men as if they are some naturally enclined towards bashing their partners. Domestic violence is a problem but do not think for one second it is only the women who are victims. There is an alarmingly large percentage of husbands beaten and mentally abused by thier wives, who unlike women do no have an outlet to which they can seek comfort.

Men are not indestructable *though we may think it* and women are equally capable of being viscious. Take offence if you may but the nz justice system naturally leans in favour of female partners over men *here comes the reprisals for that statement*.

All im saying is domestic violence is not to be tolerated one bit, mr veitch has got his comeuppence and being publicy dragged through the mud, having all your earnings lost for a year, being fires, being publicly humiliated, having it all flimed, having your name and the name of your family rubbed in the mud plus out of pocket 160000 dollars and a criminal record plus 300 hours com service is a lot harsher than a quiet few months in jail.

Just dont say women are the only victims as that makes me really sick.

[MadDuck]

The post I wanted to make was made by Discotex (bling granted by the way).

First we need to understand. Why did he do it? Yes he's wrong for doing it, yes there's a bunch of stuff around it that abfuscates the story. But first and foremost - why did he do it? What drove him to that point where he took the course of action he did?

And will we ever actually know?

Why? Why do "we" need to know? He kicked his girlfriend in the back and made reparation to her. What drives a man to be so angry? Why does a man just not walk away and take his fingers out of his ears?

Ohhh and why do "we" have to know?
Actually "we" dont because it is up to the courts who get all the facts as opposed to the media to understand not "we".

[discotex]

Have just managed to catch up on all the latest shakedown and obviously some more detail has come out since what I saw this in the news this morning.

Looks like I was off on a tangent about what is now considered fact so ignore anything I said about that :wacko: I see he's now admitted that it was a kick in the back as a result of that argument rather than any other circumstance that led to that injury.

Am keen to continue the discussion about how to stop this shit from happening though.

[discotex]

It's kind of shameful really. The actualy truth doesn't necessarily come out, more like the course of least resistance gets taken. The one that best suits both parties (prosecution and defense).


I agree it's sad. I for one would much rather no plea bargain and let him stand or fall on all the charges.

If he is the wife beater from hell and it wasn't just a one-off "crime of passion" so to speak then he deserves to be sentenced for a guilty verdict of each an every charge he's found guilty of.

To be able to plead to one charge and never know if the rest were valid is the true travesty of justice. Not the sentence for the crime he was convicted of.


What drives a man to be so angry?

Temporary insanity potentially caused by emotional abuse from the other party?

Dunno... There's lots of reasons. Hell he might just be a full blown wife basher (seems fairly likely given he's a small man with small man syndrome). We'll never know the full story now.



Why does a man just not walk away and take his fingers out of his ears?

It's quite possibly equally hard for men to break the cycle of violence as it is for women to leave abusive relationships.

No child grows up thinking "when I grow up I want to be a wife beater".

Until we get some empathy with abusive (mentally and physically) partners (mainly men but also women) and get inside their heads we can't defuse the bomb.



Ohhh and why do "we" have to know?
Actually "we" dont because it is up to the courts who get all the facts as opposed to the media to understand not "we".

Totally agree. We and the media don't need to know. It's not our business. Ideally the courts would operate with automatic name suppression for all parties until proven guilty to prevent trial by media (or trial by KB ;)) It would certainly prevent cases like this becoming the circus that it has been.

[discotex]

Men are not indestructable *though we may think it* and women are equally capable of being viscious.

I've been assaulted by women more times in my life than by men. I'm just glad I had the restraint not to fight back and just take the blows until other people stepped in.

I tell you it's a hard spot to be in when someone is smacking you around and you know the second you so much as restrain them you could be charged with assault even though you never threw a punch.

How come as a male in NZ society it's ok to defend yourself (not retaliate) against a male attacker but not a female?

(clearly nothing to do with this case btw just an interesting tangent)

[MadDuck]

How come as a male in NZ society it's ok to defend yourself (not retaliate) against a male attacker but not a female?


Who says it is?

[jrandom]

How come as a male in NZ society it's ok to defend yourself (not retaliate) against a male attacker but not a female?

Difference in physical capabilities, innit.

Most men can kick most women's arses with one hand tied behind their back, etc. S'just the way homo sapiens is built. 99% of the time, a woman going nuts and 'assaulting' a male is annoying, rather than something that can result in serious injury.

And, conversely, a male assaulting a female generally means that there's no chance she'll be able to realistically defend herself. Which is why 'male assaults female' is legally recognised as a more naughty form of violence.

I don't personally know of any cases in which a man's whined about a woman 'assaulting' him where the man couldn't have just walked away. 'Self-defence' in those circumstances tends to be a euphemism for 'I was really annoyed and didn't want to back down, and the bitch swung at me first so I let her have it'.

[discotex]

Who says it is?

Go into any pub in NZ and ask the patrons "is it ok to use reasonable force as a man defending himself from a women attacker?" I guarantee the majority of responses will be along the lines of "he should HTFU a women can't hurt a man" or "a man should never touch a women even if she starts it" etc etc.

You might be surprised and shocked at what you hear.

EDIT: Note exhibit 1 above....

[jrandom]

"he should HTFU a women can't hurt a man"

Assuming she doesn't have a weapon, are you saying that's not true?

[discotex]

Difference in physical capabilities, innit.

Most men can kick most women's arses with one hand tied behind their back, etc. S'just the way homo sapiens is built. 99% of the time, a woman going nuts and 'assaulting' a male is annoying, rather than something that can result in serious injury.

And, conversely, a male assaulting a female generally means that there's no chance she'll be able to realistically defend herself. Which is why 'male assaults female' is legally recognised as a more naughty form of violence.

I don't personally know of any cases in which a man's whined about a woman 'assaulting' him where the man couldn't have just walked away. 'Self-defence' in those circumstances tends to be a euphemism for 'I was really annoyed and didn't want to back down, and the bitch swung at me first so I let her have it'.

Your argument implies that weedy guys should be allowed to bash their "big boned" wives because "hey it's hardly gonna hurt her cause he's a wuss and she has a protective layer of fat"

[MadDuck]

You might be surprised and shocked at what you hear.

Nup. Seen it. Spent my youth in GI so nothing shocks me. Its how you react that makes the difference.

[98tls]

Go into any pub in NZ and ask the patrons "is it ok to use reasonable force as a man defending himself from a women attacker?" I guarantee the majority of responses will be along the lines of "he should HTFU a women can't hurt a man" or "a man should never touch a women even if she starts it" etc etc.

You might be surprised and shocked at what you hear.

EDIT: Note exhibit 1 above....
Oi stop confusing Auckland with the rest of the country.:mad:;)

[discotex]

Assuming she doesn't have a weapon, are you saying that's not true?

Have you been kicked in the balls by a woman?

Thank fuck I haven't but I'd consider that a serious assault. Somehow I doubt the police or courts would.

[98tls]

Have you been kicked in the balls by a woman?

Thank fuck I haven't but I'd consider that a serious assault. Somehow I doubt the police or courts would. My point exactly.....at least in Auckland you could have grabbed her by the beard.

[discotex]

Nup. Seen it. Spent my youth in GI so nothing shocks me. Its how you react that makes the difference.

Ummm yeah you planning to tell that to the women too?


Oi stop confusing Auckland with the rest of the country.:mad:;)

:lol: man it's the rest of the country I'm talking about.

[discotex]

My point exactly.....at least in Auckland you could have grabbed her by the beard.

In Auckland you'd never know if "she" isn't in-fact a "he".

[MadDuck]

Ummm yeah you planning to tell that to the women too?

OK seems you have had a bad experience with women kicking you in the balls.

My first ever visit to the GI pub I was 15 (ok you lot thats a while ago) and I watched a blind man get beaten up just because he tripped over someone. This was were I lived. This was my home. Would I kick a man in the balls...well depends on if he deserved it!

[jrandom]

Your argument implies that weedy guys should be allowed to bash their "big boned" wives...

Your average 'weedy' guy with a fat missus is still a fair bit stronger than her.

And, also, walking away is almost always an option. Women tend not to be aggressive so much as flustered - move out of range and disengage, and the problem disappears. When 'fighting' with a woman, it is simply not necessary to engage in active fisticuffs to avoid personal injury.

The exception to the low female aggression thing being, of course, darkies. But they generally have brown partners, too, who tend to be genetically large, so the problem sort of evens itself out.

Now, I know a few women who've been in physically violent relationships. The controlling, abusive shit that goes on in that context is simply not something that normal human psychology and physiology allows to happen in the other direction.

Of course, there are always exceptions to every rule. But, in this case, the fact that they are exceptions is kinda my point.


Thank fuck I haven't but I'd consider that a serious assault. Somehow I doubt the police or courts would.

What nonsense. Assuming there were witnesses to the assault, she'd certainly be charged and convicted.

Still, you're in absolute la-la land if a woman kicks you in the nuts and you didn't either soundly deserve it, or see it coming a mile off.

:msn-wink:

[Usarka]

Not condoning physical violence for one second.

BUT

Perhaps there should also be a law against mental violence????? :innocent:

[MadDuck]

Perhaps there should also be a law against mental violence????? :innocent:

Well thats KB farked :2thumbsup

[98tls]

Not condoning physical violence for one second.

BUT

Perhaps there should also be a law against mental violence????? :innocent:
Fuck no,that would see Cruisers banished.

[98tls]

Your average 'weedy' guy with a fat missus is still a fair bit stronger than her.

And, also, walking away is almost always an option. Women tend not to be aggressive so much as flustered - move out of range and disengage, and the problem disappears. When 'fighting' with a woman, it is simply not necessary to engage in active fisticuffs to avoid personal injury.

The exception to the low female aggression thing being, of course, darkies. But they generally have brown partners, too, who tend to be genetically large, so the problem sort of evens itself out.

Now, I know a few women who've been in physically violent relationships. The controlling, abusive shit that goes on in that context is simply not something that normal human psychology and physiology allows to happen in the other direction.

Of course, there are always exceptions to every rule. But, in this case, the fact that they are exceptions is kinda my point.



What nonsense. Assuming there were witnesses to the assault, she'd certainly be charged and convicted.

Still, you're in absolute la-la land if a woman kicks you in the nuts and you didn't either soundly deserve it, or see it coming a mile off.

:msn-wink: Amen to that,whats with niggers n fat chicks?Drum wasnt into them.:oi-grr:

[ital916]

I love your generalisations on how physical build affects the outcome of a fight jrandom, yes there are extremes as in if youre a big fucker most of the time you will win. Remember not every guy is suck a kick ass live action hero who just spreads his seed and then keeps on kicking ass like you jrandom.

Many guys you see at uni and around nz are just as skinny or fat as the women around them. I have seen women bite, gouge, kick in the nuts, hit with high heels a lot of guys *mainly in town at night*.

I think it is an unfair generalisation to assume women are weak and oh so innocent and a blow against gender equality if men are still seen as natural aggressors.

What so sue me, I said it, women want equality only where it benefits but not where they already have an advantage.

If a person took a swing at me in a serious manner I would class that as asault and defend myself as necessary regardless of whether they had testicles or not.

[jrandom]

*mainly in town at night*

And there y'go. Anyone who gets drunk and gets into silly fights is an idiot, male or female. Entirely avoidable, and not what this thread is about.

My point is that you're very unlikely to find a woman who's actually aggressive, in a directed fashion. One that you'd need to be afraid of. Their violence is almost always relatively undirected, and a result of random emotional turmoil and/or drunkenness, etc. Walk away and it no longer affects you.

And, I mean, all this talk focusing on kicks in the nuts? It's because that's about the only possible way a woman can hurt a man without a weapon. The exception proves the rule, etc.

See, thing is - in 99% of cases, a woman can go crazy on a man, and he might get a few scratches or bruises. But if he responds in kind, there'll be broken bones. The difference between the sexes just is what it is.

I think a few guys in this thread might have one or two issues involving resentment and physical inadequacy vis-a-vis females, to be honest.

:sherlock:

[discotex]

OK seems you have had a bad experience with women kicking you in the balls.

Not at all. If you actually read my posts you'd know that :msn-wink:



My first ever visit to the GI pub I was 15 (ok you lot thats a while ago) and I watched a blind man get beaten up just because he tripped over someone. This was were I lived. This was my home. Would I kick a man in the balls...well depends on if he deserved it!

What has that got to do with what we're debating?



Your average 'weedy' guy with a fat missus is still a fair bit stronger than her.

And, also, walking away is almost always an option. Women tend not to be aggressive so much as flustered - move out of range and disengage, and the problem disappears. When 'fighting' with a woman, it is simply not necessary to engage in active fisticuffs to avoid personal injury.

Totally agree. However I'm not suggesting that the male party should use the old "the best defense is a good offense" approach.

Only that reasonable force should be acceptable. E.g. if she breaks her hand on his head he shouldn't face an assault charge. Or if he restrains her to stop her punching and kicking and accidentally causes a bruise he shouldn't be charged.



The exception to the low female aggression thing being, of course, darkies. But they generally have brown partners, too, who tend to be genetically large, so the problem sort of evens itself out.

:lol: don't go down the cheekie darkie road.



Now, I know a few women who've been in physically violent relationships. The controlling, abusive shit that goes on in that context is simply not something that normal human psychology and physiology allows to happen in the other direction.

Sadly it cuts both ways. Both sexes have the same ability to be despots.

The difference is abusive women tend to use non-physical means rather than use physical violence. And yes that's because generally men can defend themselves.



What nonsense. Assuming there were witnesses to the assault, she'd certainly be charged and convicted.


Ya reckon? Wonder how many convictions there have been for female assaults male as a result of a good ball kicking? Willing to be $50 it's less than 5.



Still, you're in absolute la-la land if a woman kicks you in the nuts and you didn't either soundly deserve it, or see it coming a mile off.

:msn-wink:

I'd half agree but the "he must have deserved it" way of thinking isn't too dissimilar to the view on domestic violence not that long ago.

It wasn't long ago that "she must have deserved it" was the standard response. The assumption being it was un-acceptable for her to have not cooked dinner and his response was a valid reaction.


Look, someone's gotta protect the skinny white guy from his islander husband basher :lol: (your stereotype not mine)

I agree it's the exception that a women can seriously hurt a man. My point is there still needs to be repercussions for women who resort to physical violence.

If we say "if it doesn't hurt it wasn't assault" I'd say that was a fair reason for your reasoning. E.g. a slap on the face is ok from both sexes if it doesn't cause a bruise. The thing is you and I both know a male slapping a women causing no injury or bruise would be charged but not the other way around. Given it caused no injury in either case how is one assault and not the other?

[discotex]

I think a few guys in this thread might have one or two issues involving resentment and physical inadequacy vis-a-vis females, to be honest.

:sherlock:

I love it when you try to play Dr Phil on what you read on a forum.

It's a good way to distract people from a debate you know you're losing don't you think? :msn-wink:

[Grahameeboy]

Veitch is a presenter, not a reporter. There's a very big difference.

He's now also a convicted thug who seems to have avoided a jail sentence, thanks to a bit of cunning legal manouvering.

I don't agree with what he did, however, sounds llike it was an uncharacteristic action (correct me if I am wrong) and jail is not the place for him if we all agree it is to keep bad people off the streets and rehabilitate.

He is not a bad person, he made a mistake in a moment of anger. He is not a thug...if you have met thugs like Mr Cray, then you would know what a thug is....Mr V is a million mile from that I can assure you...

His more than average life has been affected and he has endured more attention etc than most offenders and I think he is a better person for it.

[rosie631]

First we need to understand. Why did he do it? Yes he's wrong for doing it, yes there's a bunch of stuff around it that abfuscates the story. But first and foremost - why did he do it? What drove him to that point where he took the course of action he did?



I'm probably about to tell more of my personal history on here than I normally would, but I can't let this go unanswered. I don't give a flying fuck why he did it. I have been in the situation of being behind locked gates having the crap beat out of me, by someone way bigger and stronger than me. And believe me, my only thought was how am i going to get out of here before he kills me. I certainly was not thinking WHY is he doing this? In his case it was because of alcohol. I don't know if that was the case with Veitch but I DON'T CARE. Fact is - HE DID IT

[ManDownUnder]

I don't know if that was the case with Veitch but I DON'T CARE. Fact is - HE DID IT

Yup - he did it and I don't condone it in any way shape or form. He deserve fair trial and the punishment the court sees fit to pass.

My focus on the "why" is because without that answer there's nothing to prevent it happening again. It's NOT an attempt to belittle the incident, or excuse Tony or any of that. It is purely to stop it happening again, because what he did is deplorable

[ital916]

I'm probably about to tell more of my personal history on here than I normally would, but I can't let this go unanswered. I don't give a flying fuck why he did it. I have been in the situation of being behind locked gates having the crap beat out of me, by someone way bigger and stronger than me. And believe me, my only thought was how am i going to get out of here before he kills me. I certainly was not thinking WHY is he doing this? In his case it was because of alcohol. I don't know if that was the case with Veitch but I DON'T CARE. Fact is - HE DID IT

Yes he did it, no one is arguing that he didnt. All we are saying is dont look at it so black and white. We shoud be looking at why as just hanging the guy isnt going to help is it. He has had his time in court, be found guilty and will be punished.

A witch hunt is not needed.

I am sorry to hear of what happened to you, never should someone have to go through that *I know I have my own horror stories*. I hope he got his comeuppence.

Unlike most people though I also vocalise my opposition to the idea that men are never victims. There is minimal support and help for abused husbands or males be it physical or mental. You think women are embarrassed to ask for help, imagine what men go through asking for help from an abusive wife.

Do a bit of digging and youll find the number of abusive relationships where the roles are reversed is a lot. Why dont the men just harder up and walk away you say? For the same reason wives sometimes cant, men are human beings. We undergo mental trauma as well as being slaves to notions of love or commitment even when detrimental to ones own well being.

So dont be quick to jump up and down on his head. Again not saying his actions are correct but just because she says he is a demon does not mean that he is. Who knows what sort of abuse was thrown both ways, all we know is he snapped first.

[Skyryder]

Everything Veitch has said is about himself and his rehabilitation in the eyes of the public.

Yesterday he had the chance to make a personal apology.........to his 'victim'....he did not. Instead all he could talk about was himself............ how he had been 'defamed' and that he was going to sue some media organisations.

Veitch is nothing but a mouth intent on claiming that he is the 'real' victim.

Skyryder

[rosie631]

Everything Veitch has said is about himself and his rehabilitation in the eyes of the public.

Yesterday he had the chance to make a personal apology.........to his 'victim'....he did not. Instead all he could talk about was himself............ how he had been 'defamed' and that he was going to sue some media organisations.

Veitch is nothing but a mouth intent on claiming that he is the 'real' victim.

Skyryder

Exactly. The only 'remorse' he has shown is because of the grief his actions have caused himself. No remorse for his victim.

[mynameis]

Not condoning physical violence for one second.

BUT

Perhaps there should also be a law against mental violence????? :innocent:

Soft cock :laugh:

[Grahameeboy]

Everything Veitch has said is about himself and his rehabilitation in the eyes of the public.

Yesterday he had the chance to make a personal apology.........to his 'victim'....he did not. Instead all he could talk about was himself............ how he had been 'defamed' and that he was going to sue some media organisations.

Veitch is nothing but a mouth intent on claiming that he is the 'real' victim.

Skyryder

Lest we forget that the ex girlfriend was happy to take a lump sum off of him...

He has already made media apology for what he did...how many apologies are required.

I think the media have been pretty bad myself...yes he was wrong but did he deserve to be plastered all over the media for months on end...so in that respect he was made a victim by the media.

What he did was wrong but in a moment of madness...he now has a chance....

[Grahameeboy]

Soft cock :laugh:

Maybe that is what the ex said to upset him....

[ManDownUnder]

Everything Veitch has said is about himself and his rehabilitation in the eyes of the public.

... you've been privy to everything he's said?

[James Deuce]

I don't agree with what he did, however, sounds llike it was an uncharacteristic action (correct me if I am wrong) and jail is not the place for him if we all agree it is to keep bad people off the streets and rehabilitate.

He is not a bad person, he made a mistake in a moment of anger. He is not a thug...if you have met thugs like Mr Cray, then you would know what a thug is....Mr V is a million mile from that I can assure you...

His more than average life has been affected and he has endured more attention etc than most offenders and I think he is a better person for it.

If I'd crippled someone I'd go to jail. I don't have Graham Henry to write me a character reference.

The coward crippled a woman by kicking her when she lay on the floor, essentially because she wound him up.

If did it, you'd all be screaming for me to be strung up. If a gang member from Cannon's Creek did it, you'd all be screaming for him to be strung up.

Someone involved in sport in NZ, either player or presenter, obvuously leads a charmed life.

He is a bad person. He crippled someone. He made her life immeasurably and pointlessly more difficult than it needed to be. There's no witch hunt needed, no over analysis needed. Tony Veitch crippled someone because she was mouthy and wouldn't do what he wanted.

Fact.

[ManDownUnder]

I have an idea. We could save a shitload of money on the judicial system and introduce trial by media!

It's faultless... we the public know it all anyway right? And imagine the savings if we don't need to keep paying all those namby pambies that interpret the law, critically examine evidence etc.

Right - so let's start with everything the media have reported on Veitch and his ex...

[ital916]

Lest we forget that the ex girlfriend was happy to take a lump sum off of him...

He has already made media apology for what he did...how many apologies are required.

I think the media have been pretty bad myself...yes he was wrong but did he deserve to be plastered all over the media for months on end...so in that respect he was made a victim by the media.

What he did was wrong but in a moment of madness...he now has a chance....

Spot on mate.

I still reckon those who cry for blood are finding an outlet for themselves rather thank considering that he has had a lot of punishment already. Give the man a break people.

[James Deuce]

I have an idea. We could save a shitload of money on the judicial system and introduce trial by media!

It's faultless... we the public know it all anyway right? And imagine the savings if we don't need to keep paying all those namby pambies that interpret the law, critically examine evidence etc.

Right - so let's start with everything the media have reported on Veitch and his ex...


None of that matters.

He kicked her in the back and crippled her.

Why people make excuses for that is beyond me.

[Grahameeboy]

If I'd crippled someone I'd go to jail. I don't have Graham Henry to write me a character reference.

The coward crippled a woman by kicking her when she lay on the floor, essentially because she wound him up.

If did it, you'd all be screaming for me to be strung up. If a gang member from Cannon's Creek did it, you'd all be screaming for him to be strung up.

Someone involved in sport in NZ, either player or presenter, obvuously leads a charmed life.

He is a bad person. He crippled someone. He made her life immeasurably and pointlessly more difficult than it needed to be. There's no witch hunt needed, no over analysis needed. Tony Veitch crippled someone because she was mouthy and wouldn't do what he wanted.

Fact.

I didn't know she was a permanent cripple?

Okay, if you did it I would say the same as I have for Mr V...if a known gang member did it...he would be classed as a bad person and this was probably not the first time he has done this...there is a difference.

You can not deem a person "bad" just because of one out of character mistake...

[Grahameeboy]

None of that matters.

He kicked her in the back and crippled her.

Why people make excuses for that is beyond me.

We are not condoning what he did...neither are we making excuses...we are just understanding.

[Grahameeboy]

Spot on mate.

I still reckon those who cry for blood are finding an outlet for themselves rather thank considering that he has had a lot of punishment already. Give the man a break people.

Exactly...sometimes it is more about the selfish and often over righteous attitude of those condeming him...

[ManDownUnder]

None of that matters.

No mate - it all matters. Everything needs to be examined in context which is why a public forum with participants - each with our own inexpert opinions, incomplete sets of facts and personal agendas - is not the place to resolve this stuff.

Causality is everything. Why else would temporary insanity be a defence? How many battered women have done something extreme to their abusers and been acquitted?

[ital916]

None of that matters.

He kicked her in the back and crippled her.

Why people make excuses for that is beyond me.

She is not crippled, some of my friends have broken their backs, sounds scary but a broken back can vary froma small hairline fracture to actual paralysis. In her case it was not bad, just clearing that up.

Again I agree with MDU, causality is very important. It is how premeditation, crimes of passion etc end up being judged seperately and is unfortunately the catch of a democratic justic system. Every incident is different and needs to be judged so.

Why people assume that veitchs partner did not play a part in him snapping is beyond me.

[Hitcher]

Interesting developments this morning, with Dame Susan Devoy and Dave Curry both saying that they had no idea that the "references" they provided Veitch would be used in Court. Apparently Susan Devoy's reference was something to do with a passport application.

I'm most interested in how this plays out...

[Tank]

If I'd crippled someone I'd go to jail. I don't have Graham Henry to write me a character reference.


Im shocked that some of those people gave references for him given what the trail was about.

And at the end of the day who gives a fuck what Henery things about the guy - it should have no weight at all.

edit - just read Hitchers post. Sadly I think its too late for anything to play out other than bad press (who are probably going to be to scared to say anything)

[Mully]

I have an idea. We could save a shitload of money on the judicial system and introduce trial by media!

Nah, mate. Trial by KB would be quicker. It's probably John Key's fault anyway.


Interesting developments this morning, with Dame Susan Devoy and Dave Curry both saying that they had no idea that the "references" they provided Veitch would be used in Court. Apparently Susan Devoy's reference was something to do with a passport application.

I'm most interested in how this plays out...

Mmmm, I read that too. Dame Susan wanted him to get his passport back for a work opportunity, saying he deserved to keep working.

Although she didn't say who asked her for the reference... Will certainly be following this piece of information.

[Hitcher]

Why people assume that veitchs partner did not play a part in him snapping is beyond me.

I don't think that anybody is assuming that. But the issue here isn't Veitch's "snapping point". It's that he kicked a woman who was down sufficient to break her back. That's the action that people find hard to forgive. That combined with his opinion that he is also a victim of that act on his part.

Twat.

[Grahameeboy]

I don't think that anybody is assuming that. But the issue here isn't Veitch's "snapping point". It's that he kicked a woman who was down sufficient to break her back. That's the action that people find hard to forgive. That combined with his opinion that he is also a victim of that act on his part.

Twat.

Yes he was a twat...snapping point was his actions...he broke a vertebrae...but different to breaking a back which sounds more serious.

It is ooften easy for people to not forgive than to understand...that requires grace which is sadly lacking these days...

[Tank]

Then there were his comments on Close Up:

Meanwhile, on TV ONE's Close Up, Veitch was asked about speculation that his legal team had "some dirt on her" that led to the plea bargain.

Veitch replied: "I did some investigating ... I went and I dug and I went through records and I went through discovery and do you know what? I had a good time and I found stuff. So you are talking about dirt, (I am talking about) evidence."

Nice bloke - hope he chokes on a fishbone.

[Hitcher]

It is ooften easy for people to not forgive than to understand...that requires grace which is sadly lacking these days...

Surely forgiveness is something that is deserved rather than something that should be expected?

Your bible requires repentence before forgiveness can be granted.

[enigma51]

She most likely didnt cook him his food like she was suppose too.
So he kicked her a bit. He was suppose to be hit her legs but she fell and he connected her back.


The funniest thing about this if this was joe public no one would have even know about this. Whats even funnier is that 99% of people dont even have half the facts but yet they make out like they do.


He pleaded guilty got the same sentence as joe public would .... now lets move on.

The people who got a light sentence is those fuckers that killed the kids a few months ago The Kauie twin and neo glacie (I dont know how to spell it)

[MsKABC]

Why people assume that veitchs partner did not play a part in him snapping is beyond me.

Nobody ever, EVER plays a part in having their partner kick them in the back while they lie on the ground. Maybe she did provoke him to anger, rage... whatever, but HE made the choice to kick her in the back. Nobody else.

[Skyryder]

Yes he was a twat...snapping point was his actions...he broke a vertebrae...but different to breaking a back which sounds more serious.

It is ooften easy for people to not forgive than to understand...that requires grace which is sadly lacking these days...


What's there to understand.............back, vertebrae not any difference other than the back is the whole of the spine that is made up of indavidual vertebrae.



Skyryder

[vifferman]

I have no opinion to offer on the court case, as it's none of my business, and it doesn't affect me, and I don't have all the facts, and I don't know the people involved.

What I will say is how crazy it is that someone can be so important, a celebrity, just because lots of people see their face on the idiot box. So fucking what? What does this have to do with worth as a person, importance, or anything else? If the guy makes $500k a year going "Blah blah blah" on TV and radio, I think that's ridiculous, but I also think it makes not an iota of difference to how newsworthy what he does is, nor to what business it is to anyone else. He's hardly in a position of authority. He's just a minor 'celebrity' - famous for being "famous in Noo Zilund".
Big whoop.

Personally, just like with most sports commentators, I can't stand seeing him on the box. Even before he was naughty I used to change channels. Do the same thing with that other dork, John Campbell, and that weird robot/alien who reads the TV3 news (Alistair something-or-other?)

I'd imagine none of you people contributing to this thread would be interested either, if it were not for Veitch's 'fame' (and now apparent 'infamy').

[MsKABC]

What's there to understand.............back, vertebrae not any difference other than the back is the whole of the spine that is made up of indavidual vertebrae.



Skyryder

And the difference between cracking her vertebrae and breaking her back was really only down to his good luck. It's not like he thought "Right, I'll give her a kick, just enough to crack a vertebrae, but not break her back". :rolleyes:

[Hitcher]

She most likely didnt cook him his food like she was suppose too.
So he kicked her a bit. He was suppose to be hit her legs but she fell and he connected her back.
So that makes it all right? And you know this, how? (see your comments below)


The funniest thing about this if this was joe public no one would have even know about this. Whats even funnier is that 99% of people dont even have half the facts but yet they make out like they do.
You have got an odd idea of what's "funny". I think that any domestic violence case that involved a broken back would have been covered by the media.

Most people who have posted about this do know the facts. They read newspapers.

[Tank]

It is ooften easy for people to not forgive than to understand...that requires grace which is sadly lacking these days...

I would say that forgiving isnt sadly lacking - there are always people out there willing to forgive regardless of how terrible the crime.

Perhaps a little less forgiveness and a little more accountability for actions would make the world a better place.

[James Deuce]

She is not crippled, some of my friends have broken their backs, sounds scary but a broken back can vary froma small hairline fracture to actual paralysis. In her case it was not bad, just clearing that up.

Again I agree with MDU, causality is very important. It is how premeditation, crimes of passion etc end up being judged seperately and is unfortunately the catch of a democratic justic system. Every incident is different and needs to be judged so.

Why people assume that veitchs partner did not play a part in him snapping is beyond me.

She is. Her mobility is dictated by wheelchairs and crutches. I call that crippled.

You'll probably claim that she's making it up.

I've broken vertebrae in my neck and my back and while I'm moblie and can do most stuff OK, it's nowhere near the level of what I was capable of before the accident, due to a myriad of other central nervous systems issues that dictate everything from body temperature to physical strength and mental state. My right hand feels like a it's had a permamnent "dead leg" whilst also being on fire from time to time. Do not make light of spinal injury. While you are young you can cope really well with the side effects. As you get older they become more debilitating whether you work on it or not.

No "domestic" violence is acceptable. Winding someone up is not an excuse to hit someone, let alone kick them.

There's nothing to understand. He's a violent loser with a bad temper.

The subtle undertones of acceptable violence toward women is starting to make me a little ill.

[Skyryder]

The subtle undertones of acceptable violence toward women is starting to make me a little ill.

Yes. I'm picking this up too. But first comes the statements that what Veitch did was wrong and then come the excuses. But then again is this not what Veitch is doing too?


Skyryder

[Mully]

She is. Her mobility is dictated by wheelchairs and crutches. I call that crippled.


Sorry, point of clarification. Is she still in a wheelchair and/or crutches? My understanding is that she had been (and told everyone at Vodafone that she fell off a horse or something) but wasn't now?

Does anyone actually know?

[Hitcher]

Here's some comment from a person whose opinions I respect.

http://publicaddress.net/default,5822.sm#post5822

[Horse]

Sorry, point of clarification. Is she still in a wheelchair and/or crutches? My understanding is that she had been (and told everyone at Vodafone that she fell off a horse or something) but wasn't now?

Does anyone actually know?

If only there was some sort of global information network where you could look this stuff up.....

From Stuff: The victim impact statement presented to the court by Kristin Dunne-Powell. (http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/2340632/He-made-me-feel-to-blame-and-ashamed)

A relevant excerpt:


My physical injuries included bruising and the fracture of my spine in two places. I experienced intense pain at the time of the assault and endured extreme discomfort for months afterward. It was necessary to use a wheelchair and crutches for several weeks so I could manage the discomfort and remain somewhat mobile.

The damage to my back has resulted in muscle atrophy and loss that has caused a physical disfigurement ... so apparent that, when I got married in 2007, it was necessary for the dressmaker to pad out my dress. The muscle loss also resulted in nerve damage which affected my central nervous system, balance and co-ordination.

[James Deuce]

Sorry, point of clarification. Is she still in a wheelchair and/or crutches? My understanding is that she had been (and told everyone at Vodafone that she fell off a horse or something) but wasn't now?

Does anyone actually know?

I read the excerpt from the victim impact statement in the paper this morning as current. My mistake. Horse has corrected it above. That is still significant long term damage. No one deserves permanent injury.

[Mully]

If only there was some sort of global information network where you could look this stuff up.....


If only. What would they call such a world-wide web of information?

That's what I thought - but people here kept saying she is in a wheelchair.

BTW, does anyone know how you use a wheelchair and crutches?? Seems a bit unstable to me.


I read the excerpt from the victim impact statement in the paper this morning as current. My mistake. Horse has corrected it above. That is still significant long term damage. No one deserves permamnent injury.

Agreed entirely - just wanted some clarification.

[Grahameeboy]

Surely forgiveness is something that is deserved rather than something that should be expected?

Your bible requires repentence before forgiveness can be granted.

Mmmm....don't agree...he healed sinners...everyone deserves forgiveness but that's me...doesn't mean you forget...

[Grahameeboy]

What's there to understand.............back, vertebrae not any difference other than the back is the whole of the spine that is made up of indavidual vertebrae.



Skyryder

33 bones actually..........

[Grahameeboy]

I would say that forgiving isnt sadly lacking - there are always people out there willing to forgive regardless of how terrible the crime.

Perhaps a little less forgiveness and a little more accountability for actions would make the world a better place.

Accountability is not a NZ phsycy thing though is it...forgiveness does help heal though...generally by making people accountable it creates less rather than more...

[ManDownUnder]

Nobody ever, EVER plays a part in having their partner kick them in the back while they lie on the ground.

Respectfully disagree. That's like saying no-one ever ever plays a part in having their partner shoot them, hit them, swear at them or any of a vast number of reactions.

That in no way excuses those actions, but I'm certain everyone on this forum has been provoked into saying or doing something they know they shouldn't have, and ordinarily wouldn't have if the circumstances were different.

It shouldn't happen - but it does happen.


I would say that forgiving isnt sadly lacking - there are always people out there willing to forgive regardless of how terrible the crime.
It's the willingness and ability to understand that I find sadly lacking.

[rosie631]

Why people assume that veitchs partner did not play a part in him snapping is beyond me.

Yeah, she probably did something really heinous like having another guy look at her. That was the crime I committed that caused me ex to 'snap' and bash me. That was the reason he gave to himself anyway. Easier than facing his alcohol addiction.

[Grahameeboy]

respectfully disagree. That's like saying no-one ever ever plays a part in having their partner shoot them, hit them, swear at them or any of a vast number of reactions.

That in no way excuses those actions, but i'm certain everyone on this forum has been provoked into saying or doing something they know they shouldn't have, and ordinarily wouldn't have if thwe circusmatances were different.

It shouldn't happen - but it does happen.


It's the willingness and ability to understandand that i find sadly lacking.

+2..........................

[MsKABC]

Respectfully disagree. That's like saying no-one ever ever plays a part in having their partner shoot them, hit them, swear at them or any of a vast number of reactions.


I'm not saying she didn't provoke him, but you can never justify kicking or hitting someone, no matter what they say or do, save perhaps striking the first blow. Yes, everybody is inclined to snap when provoked, but most reasonable people manage to stop short of physical violence.

[ManDownUnder]

I'm not saying she didn't provoke him, but you can never justify kicking or hitting someone, no matter what they say or do, save perhaps striking the first blow. Yes, everybody is inclined to snap when provoked, but most reasonable people manage to stop short of physical violence.

Agreed. My problem is that in the heat of the moment, rational and analytical thought simply goes out the window. Each party is trying to score points in whatever way they can, women often win verbally and strategically (out thinking the other and winning the argument 2 steps ahead of the guy who is arguing the point before him right now).

So the guy sees red, and responds agressively. Testosterone is a "wonderful" drug. Check out it's links to aggression, and consider the average man produces 40 to 60 times the level of it that the average woman does.

Again - no excuses for what happened... simply seeking to understand what may have contributed.

[Usarka]

I'm not saying she didn't provoke him, but you can never justify kicking or hitting someone, no matter what they say or do, save perhaps striking the first blow. Yes, everybody is inclined to snap when provoked, but most reasonable people manage to stop short of physical violence.

My following comment is not related to this case, but to the statement above & mdu's reply. It is rather easy to purposefully get the right person wound up enough to react violently especially if you can read the persons personality type or know specific pressure points.

I'm sure I could go out on the street and get myself sconned by a "normal" stranger.

There are ways the brain works that can bypass rationality (the old fight or flight syndrome). If the amygdala (sp?) takes over from the cortex then rationality is basically out of the window.

[SPman]

...... but prison might not be the best for rehabilitation,...... Prison...
Rehabilitation......

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

The man (and I use that word in a gender sense only) is a control freak. (I know a few...) - he probably became physical when other methods of control weren't working (ie, the woman was stroppy!)

Everything that has happened, is somebody else's fault.

He will grovel enough to make himself look chastened in the eyes of those whose opinion might matter to him. (prospective employers, etc)

Then it'll be back to control as usual - I pity any woman involved with him.

Little scumbag!

[PrincessBandit]

Forgiveness is like respect. It needs to be earned.

Disagree with you there. Forgiveness is a gift.

[Hitcher]

Forgiveness is a gift.

So does that mean you give it to just anybody? What about that lovely Mr Hitler and that delightful character William Bell?

[PrincessBandit]

Surely forgiveness is something that is deserved rather than something that should be expected?

Your bible requires repentence before forgiveness can be granted.

Ah, that is God's forgiveness you are talking about. If people required repentance from each other before forgiveness was dispensed there would be sweet f a of it around. Human beings are capable of forgiveness even in the face of the unrepentant. Don't mix that with the requirement of repentance for the forgiveness of sins and salvation.....

[PrincessBandit]

So does that mean you give it to just anybody? What about that lovely Mr Hitler and that delightful character William Bell?

Certainly not - I'm not saying for one moment that it is an expected right of anyones. But it can be offered by a victim if they choose to do so, whether the perpetrator wants it or not.

[rosie631]

Certainly not - I'm not saying for one moment that it is an expected right of anyones. But it can be offered by a victim if they choose to do so, whether the perpetrator wants it or not.

Exactly, offered by the victim. That's whose forgiveness he needs, not anyone elses. But since he has no remorse I don't think he gives a flying fuck if she forgives him or not.

[HenryDorsetCase]

allegedly he has married mega-money (this Zoe Halford broad)

so why does he even want to "rehabilitate" his "reputation"? Oh yeah, he's an attention whore. Hateful, just hateful. And I am hate full.

[PrincessBandit]

Exactly, offered by the victim. That's whose forgiveness he needs, not anyone elses. But since he has no remorse I don't think he gives a flying fuck if she forgives him or not.

I'm not commenting on this particular case in this instance, I was referring to the tangent issue of forgiveness, which was raised by others.

And I am not going to get caught into an argument of whether or not she would offer him forgiveness, whether he "deserves" forgiveness, or any other such speculation. Quite frankly it appears to me that they are both media savvy people who, bringing out my cynical side here, both know how to work and play the "public profile" card.

Trial is by the courts, not the media or a forum such as kiwibiker. Seeing the wolves and vultures squabbling over the juicy entrails of a celebrity carcass is my cue to exit.

[enigma51]

So that makes it all right? And you know this, how? (see your comments below)


You have got an odd idea of what's "funny". I think that any domestic violence case that involved a broken back would have been covered by the media.

Most people who have posted about this do know the facts. They read newspapers.

I see if you read the newspaper you know have all the facts :2thumbsup

free speech i assume?

[rosie631]

Veitch will be bleating on again on Sunday. 7.30. I think TV3 or maybe 1?

[scumdog]

I have no opinion to offer on the court case, as it's none of my business, and it doesn't affect me, and I don't have all the facts, and I don't know the people involved.

What I will say is how crazy it is that someone can be so important, a celebrity, just because lots of people see their face on the idiot box. So fucking what? What does this have to do with worth as a person, importance, or anything else? If the guy makes $500k a year going "Blah blah blah" on TV and radio, I think that's ridiculous, but I also think it makes not an iota of difference to how newsworthy what he does is, nor to what business it is to anyone else. He's hardly in a position of authority. He's just a minor 'celebrity' - famous for being "famous in Noo Zilund".
Big whoop.

Personally, just like with most sports commentators, I can't stand seeing him on the box. Even before he was naughty I used to change channels. Do the same thing with that other dork, John Campbell, and that weird robot/alien who reads the TV3 news (Alistair something-or-other?)

I'd imagine none of you people contributing to this thread would be interested either, if it were not for Veitch's 'fame' (and now apparent 'infamy').

If it had been a gang member from south Auckland up on his third charge of domectic violence would he have got the same attention?

And the same sentence?

I think not on both counts.

Zero publicity
Softer sentence:yes:

[Headbanger]

If it had been a gang member from south Auckland up on his third charge of domectic violence would he have got the same attention?

And the same sentence?

I think not on both counts.

Zero publicity
Softer sentence:yes:

You love your "ifs"

[Number One]

Interesting to see that the 6 charges that were 'dropped' were all MALE ASSAULTS FEMALE...seems it wasn't as much of a 'one off' as they would like us to believe.

I think the media has given him hell but I really have no sympathy for him..assault is assault. He should've gone down AND now it turns out that Dame Susan Devoy AND other high profiles are pissed about their 'references' being used for the court case when they thought they were being used for a passport application and other unrelated to the case stuff. Would seem he won't be needing a passport anyway! Won't be allowed to leave the country will he?

The fact too that he gets to choose where he does his PD/Community service is a joke. He "LOVES working for charities and looks forward to the opportunity to work for them again" prfffft

Again I have no sympathy for him - seems his remorse is about his 'getting caught and as a consequence having ruined his life'.

[jrandom]

Interesting to see that the 6 charges that were 'dropped' were all MALE ASSAULTS FEMALE...seems it wasn't as much of a 'one off' as they would like us to believe.

Although some of them were for the likes of biffing a cushion at her, if I recall correctly.

The victim's commentary in the Herald story yesterday was that he'd pleaded guilty to the most serious charge, the one relating to kicking her in the back, in return for having the others dropped.


Again I have no sympathy for him...

In spite of this single conviction for assault, the dude has his life pretty well sorted. Money, pussy, fame, good health. He's ticked all the boxes.

So I'm pretty sure he doesn't feel like he needs your sympathy.

:laugh:

[Big Dave]

Money, pussy, fame, good health. He's ticked all the boxes.



You need more boxes.

[jrandom]

You need more boxes.

They're not my boxes.

[Big Dave]

They're not my boxes.

Correction: He needs more boxes.

[jrandom]

Correction: He needs more boxes.

Can't argue with that.

[Murray]

AND now it turns out that Dame Susan Devoy AND other high profiles are pissed about their 'references' being used for the court case when they thought they were being used for a passport application and other unrelated to the case stuff.

A reference is a reference. Are they now saying he's an OK guy for this reason and not OK for that reason. If so say it in the reference. Sorry but if you are gullible enough to give someone a reference that embellishes someones standing, they can use it for whatever they like.

Otherwise state in the reference "for passport reasons only"

[rosie631]

A reference is a reference. Are they now saying he's an OK guy for this reason and not OK for that reason. If so say it in the reference. Sorry but if you are gullible enough to give someone a reference that embellishes someones standing, they can use it for whatever they like.

Otherwise state in the reference "for passport reasons only"

Yeah. Must admit I found that a bit strange too.

[Skyryder]

A reference is a reference. Are they now saying he's an OK guy for this reason and not OK for that reason. If so say it in the reference. Sorry but if you are gullible enough to give someone a reference that embellishes someones standing, they can use it for whatever they like.

Otherwise state in the reference "for passport reasons only"



According to the Press this morning Devoy explicitly stated that her reference was for a passport application. This had been removed from what was given to the judge. Much the same thing happened with Hamish Carter. He had understood the reference was for a job interview. Apprently Veitch had asked him persoanly for one. So I'll let the Veitch apologists explain this one.


Skyryder

[Cookie Monster]

Now for my 2 cents worth..........

He paid her compensation for her ill health. All she had to do was complain 3 years ago...thats right 3 years ago or keep her mouth shut.

I dont agree with what he did but how many times does he have to be punished......

Hope he gets back to the radio where he deserves to be.....:2thumbsup

[Tank]

According to the Press this morning Devoy explicitly stated that her reference was for a passport application. This had been removed from what was given to the judge. Much the same thing happened with Hamish Carter. He had understood the reference was for a job interview. Apprently Veitch had asked him persoanly for one. So I'll let the Veitch apologists explain this one.


Skyryder

Apparently the sentence about the passport was removed from what was given to the judge.

Isnt that almost forgery?

[Skyryder]

Apparently the sentence about the passport was removed from what was given to the judge.

Isnt that almost forgery?


Well it's unethical. Devoy is considering legal action.


Skyryder

[Mom]

Apparently the sentence about the passport was removed from what was given to the judge.

Isnt that almost forgery?

It certainly is deceitful. Reading this article this morning, tells how much reliance was put on the testimonials by the judge.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10567257&pnum=2



In the Auckland District Court, Judge Doogue told Veitch: "Numerous references from prominent New Zealanders attesting to your good character is a testament to the fact that this single incident is very much out of character."

[FJRider]

A reference is a reference. Are they now saying he's an OK guy for this reason and not OK for that reason. If so say it in the reference. Sorry but if you are gullible enough to give someone a reference that embellishes someones standing, they can use it for whatever they like.

Otherwise state in the reference "for passport reasons only"

So what they are saying is its ok to be his friend, and give him a reference. But not want to publicly admit they are his friend, and have given him a reference.

Might tarnish their own reputation... eh !!!

[James Deuce]

Now for my 2 cents worth..........

He paid her compensation for her ill health. All she had to do was complain 3 years ago...thats right 3 years ago or keep her mouth shut.

I dont agree with what he did but how many times does he have to be punished......

Hope he gets back to the radio where he deserves to be.....:2thumbsup

Once. There's no statute of limitations on crime in NZ. He assaulted someone and he's being punished for that. Once. Everything else is a sideshow.

He's been punished once. He paid hush money which didn't stick. Oh dear. It wasn't a contract that was in any way "legal".

The justifications for injuring another human being are getting lamer people. Try and keep the standards back up at "She's a woman and deserved it", OK?

Radio? He's had his turn at "celebrity". He should be made to live with his notoriety, being a convicted woman basher and all. For most violent criminals, a menial job is a major victory. He'll still manage to live the high life, irrespective of his reduced earning capacity.

[James Deuce]

It certainly is deceitful. Reading this article this morning, tells how much reliance was put on the testimonials by the judge.
It wouldn't surprise me to find a charge of "misleading with intent to perjure" on the books somewhere.

[Mom]

It wouldn't surprise me to find a charge of "misleading with intent to perjure" on the books somewhere.

What a lovely thought.

[Skyryder]

So what they are saying is its ok to be his friend, and give him a reference. But not want to publicly admit they are his friend, and have given him a reference.

Might tarnish their own reputation... eh !!!

No it is what the reference is used for that is the issue. Any other purpose becomes deciet.

Devoy has stated that her reference was for a passport application so that Veitch could apply for jobs. This is a completly different purpose than what Veitch used it for...........as a reference to convince the judge so that he may get a lighter sentance.


Skyryder

[Skyryder]

Now for my 2 cents worth..........

He paid her compensation for her ill health. All she had to do was complain 3 years ago...thats right 3 years ago or keep her mouth shut.


No he paid her compensation to keep her mouth shut.

And she did for three years..............to her credit. It was not until the story broke that she finaly spoke out.


Skyryder

[Mom]

No he paid her compensation to keep her mouth shut.

And she did for three years..............to her credit. It was not until the story broke that she finaly spoke out.


Skyryder

This interview is an interesting read.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10567253

She says:
The agreement was that I not speak about the incident to media and I have stuck by that. Today [Thursday] after sentencing was the first time I have done an interview but I have not referred to that incident in any regard.

[boomer]

There's nothing in there about the 'alledged' affair, at the time, with the Vodafone CEO is there.. ahahah

[sil3nt]

Apparently he just attempted suicide again in Ngaruawahia

[rosie631]

Apparently he just attempted suicide again in Ngaruawahia

Where did you hear that? Nothing on the news about it.

[James Deuce]

If it's a "joke", it's in poor taste.

[ynot slow]

On the news tonight,cops were called,he's in the care of his dad.Wish he could do that as well as assaulting his ex,ffs if ya want to die jump off a fucken big bluff,take shit loads of tablets(he must have a few anti depressents),autoside(feel sorry for other vehicle),shit big tree a rope and stool,seems he doesn't want to die,just look at me.Using this as an excuse to say I'm not sane,maybe that's why I did beat her.Sorry folks he should do the job if he wanted or shut up piss off and get on with his life.

[rosie631]

On the news tonight,cops were called,he's in the care of his dad.Wish he could do that as well as assaulting his ex,ffs if ya want to die jump off a fucken big bluff,take shit loads of tablets(he must have a few anti depressents),autoside(feel sorry for other vehicle),shit big tree a rope and stool,seems he doesn't want to die,just look at me.Using this as an excuse to say I'm not sane,maybe that's why I did beat her.Sorry folks he should do the job if he wanted or shut up piss off and get on with his life.

Yep, agreed. Can't have been a very serious 'attempt' if he's at home with his father, and not in hospital.

[sil3nt]

Apparently he has tried gassing himself in his car before. This is his fourth attempt although i think its more attention seeking than anything otherwise you think he would get it right by now.

[Skyryder]

It wouldn't surprise me to find a charge of "misleading with intent to perjure" on the books somewhere.


There was a bit on this on the news tonight. Misleading the Court. The Judge can if she so wishes reconvene the Court. She get a bit more respect from me if she did.


Skyryder

[Usarka]

if ya want to die jump off a fucken big bluff,take shit loads of tablets(he must have a few anti depressents),autoside(feel sorry for other vehicle),shit big tree a rope and stool,seems he doesn't want to die,just look at me.

None of those are guaranteed. One is likely to not succeed, and the price for failure for all of them can be a long period of pain afterwards and potentially inability to try again due to being unable to walk.


Yep, agreed. Can't have been a very serious 'attempt' if he's at home with his father, and not in hospital.

Really? I walked in on a friend recently who had tried to commit suicide and I can assure you it was genuine. Very intelligent person, but a lot of people aren't thinking straight when they do this, he wasn't and he made a mistake thank christ.

So he didn't end up in hostpital. (unless you include me getting him to the crisis centre afterwards). But he was fucked up for a while.

[Mom]

Seems this horrible incident is going to play to the bitter end. I have missed any reference to todays developments, so only know what I have read here.

For what it is worth he must be feeling really bad now. This ex of his has not only withstood his PR campaign to besmirch her and her reputation prior to his appearance in court, the media stunts that have come to light to entice her to react and comment apart from the report that she was going to leave NZ and us tax payers would have to fund her trip back to appear in court (since withdrawn and apologised for in the Sunday Times)she has remained silent. She has maintained her dignity through out the whole episode. Now it seems a few of his referees are not happy that they have been deceived about the intended use of their refernces.

He has not regained the mana he expected from his court appearance. He came out swinging yesterday after his court appearance, the media are going to pay for defaming him etc, yet there are still people saying he is a liar and a brute.

He needs professional help here, pity of it is now he is outside of the justice system there is little that officially can be done. I wish his "supporters" would simply tell him how it is, get him some supervised treatment till his head is well and stop pandering to his attention seeking attempts to do away with himself. I feel sorry for his new wife.

I hope that his ex is human enough to pity and feel sorry for him, for he truely is a pathetic excuse for a man!

EDIT: yes I have a reasonalbe understanding of the rules of engagement in these situations, the details will differ, but the essense of what happens remains the same. He is a sick man, he really needs help, and worst of all, he will never change, just get over this particular speedbump in his personal life enough to move on in a reasonably healthy way.

[rosie631]

I'm interested to see what he has to say on Sunday tomorrow.

[Tank]

For what it is worth he must be feeling really bad now.

Apparently so - yet another attempted suicide attempt this afternoon.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10567301

Still everyone needs a hobby.

[Mom]

The media spin on this is he is deavstated that he has not been seen to be remorseful for what he did. A man coming out of court threatening to take legal action against media is not remorseful, he is simply angry!

[AllanB]

Apparently so - yet another attempted suicide attempt this afternoon.

Although I feel suicide is a very serious subject, I cannot help thinking what a fucking arsewipe this guy is. This is 4th attempt - is he that useless he cannot get this right or is it just a attempt at getting public sympathy?

Sorry if I offend anyone regarding this subject, but the guy appears to be as useful as a stale wank stain.

[rosie631]

Although I feel suicide is a very serious subject, I cannot help thinking what a fucking arsewipe this guy is. This is 4th attempt - is he that useless he cannot get this right or is it just a attempt at getting public sympathy?

Sorry if I offend anyone regarding this subject, but the guy appears to be as useful as a stale wank stain.

Well said that man :2thumbsup

[JimO]

Although I feel suicide is a very serious subject, I cannot help thinking what a fucking arsewipe this guy is. This is 4th attempt - is he that useless he cannot get this right or is it just a attempt at getting public sympathy?

Sorry if I offend anyone regarding this subject, but the guy appears to be as useful as a stale wank stain.

dont hold back say what you really think

[98tls]

:clap:This is becoming quite the saga eh,long may it continue hes only getting what he deserves.Seems not only does he like beating women hes into a bit of self mutilation as well:headbang:keep going i say until those that professed to be talking employment tell him to fuck off.

[rosie631]

:clap:This is becoming quite the saga eh,long may it continue hes only getting what he deserves.Seems not only does he like beating women hes into a bit of self mutilation as well:headbang:keep going i say until those that professed to be talking employment tell him to fuck off.

yep, Hopefully, they are all having second thoughts.

[98tls]

yep, Hopefully, they are all having second thoughts. Then again as hes such an attention seeking cunt why not let him keep on with the radio job and hopefully he could have a go at ending it all on air live,shit we could have a request hour "this one goes out to the one i beat up" or "fifty ways to leave your lover......without killing her".

[FJRider]

I would say they already have...

[normajeane]

"fifty ways to leave your lover......without killing her".
Perhaps should read "fifty ways to leave your lover .......and kill (well try and try and try again) yourself?:rolleyes:

[Forest]

Apparently so - yet another attempted suicide attempt this afternoon.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10567301

Still everyone needs a hobby.

That's to be expected.

Stopping in Ngaruawahia would be enough to make me contemplate suicide!

[98tls]

Apparently so - yet another attempted suicide attempt this afternoon.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10567301

Still everyone needs a hobby. People wonder why the cops dont bother turning up for burglary calls,to busy looking after this cunt.

[Skyryder]

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/stories/2009/04/18/1245aa3d68df

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2344526/Veitch-found-safe-after-police-search

http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/veitch-testimonial-changes-unsavoury-2654203


I just don't buy this bullshit. Whenever this dick has 'allegdedly' tried to top himself media reports come in that he is being looked after by his family. It's the one constant theme. If Veitch was serious and remember his in-laws are millionaires surely they would have him under constant survelaiance or in a home. But no. Veitch goes missing the police find him in hours and we the public are expected to believe this drivel.

Cunt should be prosecuted for waisting Police time.


Skyryder

[98tls]

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/stories/2009/04/18/1245aa3d68df

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2344526/Veitch-found-safe-after-police-search

http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/veitch-testimonial-changes-unsavoury-2654203


I just don't buy this bullshit. Whenever this dick has 'allegdedly' tried to top himself media reports come in that he is being looked after by his family. It's the one constant theme. If Veitch was serious and remember his in-laws are millionaires surely they would have him under constant survelaiance or in a home. But no. Veitch goes missing the police find him in hours and we the public are expected to believe this drivel.

Cunt should be prosecuted for waisting Police time.


Skyryder Not only believe it but pay for it,ive a couple of good pig dogs that could save us all a few bucks,small gesture i know but hey....if we all give a little.

[candor]

I think there is one person to blame for the unmitigated shitfight - his media handler.

Why publicise his mental ill health (team veitch trying to milk sympathy - not him I guess) if his goal is to eventually get back to work of some sort?
Why did ?she con people for character references?
Why plant numerous Sunday paper stories anti KDP, and building Veitch up?
Why set him up to fall - by putting a person on Campbell live - in unwellness to insert his foot deep in his own oesophagus "she forced me to...".
And why is he now being again paraded by some planned tv program apopo?

Some serious ethical q's need to be asked about the media advisor guidance and role. I hope Devoy does sue whoever it was on team Veitch, collecting numerous references so his Tui passport could be reissued, - how many VIPs does it take to get one passport issue... or one step closer to a Judicial wrist slap?

It's over the top now - he is being judged for ill advised and really quite unwell comments on Campbell. And was well set up for this by team Veitch. Just milking him by making more work for themselves it seems - like some lawyers do. One money grubber recently told a guy on serious charge - lets draw it out with lots of remand cos if you're lucky a key witness might then have time to get cancer or hit by a bus! You just do not (for the clients or victims sake) allow such words as Veitch said to escape a clients mouth. Incredible!

Many so called public figures have nasty skeletons, and NZ always "forgives" as a small pond is dependent on a small supply. Ones on public purse need a standard of conduct - seems Veitch was just the straw breaking the camels back as many have now had enough of this easygoing attitude what with ABs wife bashing etc, and he timed it bad with the domestic violence campaign.

But has any other "celeb" (term used lightly) yet had the good grace and decency to lower their profile and stop playing the boy/girl next door after a big screw up than Lana Cocroft. The rough n tumble guys and their bosses need to take a leaf out of her book. Celebrity is not a right. And the media should stop feeding frenzying

And why has Bill Ralstons OPed on this been zapped from Stuff?

It would be natural for rellys to report concerns if depressed guy goes off radar awhile - doesn't mean he threatened suicide, just that they're on alert. Could mean having some such thoughts but no plan hatched and in some sort of treatment. Which if it doesn't help and one gets really suicidal only then would you admit to wards. Meantime there can be stress on family looking after someone less than stable. I can't say this enough - avoid media if brain malfunctioning and media like Campbell ought to exercise better judgment in such cases and when stalking recent homicide victims families....

[Winston001]

Was going to post an analysis of Veitch's self-serving and shallow comments but really cannot be bothered. The fact that he said about investigating her ".......and do you know what? I had a good time...." really says it all.

Never liked the guy anyway. Cocksure smart-arse only interested in himself.

A mature man who made a bad mistake would have pleaded guilty, apologised to her, and got on with life. Probably kept his job too.

[Kwaka14]

I hope Devoy does sue whoever it was on team Veitch, collecting numerous references so his Tui passport could be reissued, - how many VIPs does it take to get one passport issue... or one step closer to a Judicial wrist slap?



I don´t understand how you can give someone a reference and say it´s fine for one thing and not for another, how could you say ¨sweet as you´re a reliable person¨ in one instance and then rescind it? someone is reliable or they aren´t I would have thought. AFAIC Devoy looks bad in this instance, a reference is a black or white thing, you either stand by what you have written for someone or you don´t, regardless in my opinion.

[Wingnut]

I cant stand Devoy either - she thinks her shit doesn't stink either. She can see a bit of free publisity here. Next thing you will see her and Veitch on Dancing with the Stars FFS!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rosie631]

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/stories/2009/04/18/1245aa3d68df

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2344526/Veitch-found-safe-after-police-search

http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/veitch-testimonial-changes-unsavoury-2654203


I just don't buy this bullshit. Whenever this dick has 'allegdedly' tried to top himself media reports come in that he is being looked after by his family. It's the one constant theme. If Veitch was serious and remember his in-laws are millionaires surely they would have him under constant survelaiance or in a home. But no. Veitch goes missing the police find him in hours and we the public are expected to believe this drivel.

Cunt should be prosecuted for waisting Police time.


Skyryder

I totally agree. If he had been serious he would have just disappeared to do it. Plenty of places where noone would find him. That is unless you want to spend 4 hours texting all and sundry so that the police can trace the cellphone. What a complete and utter tool.

[MisterD]

This ex of his has not only withstood his PR campaign to besmirch her and her reputation prior to his appearance in court,

I don't like the guy and the year-long break from having the irritating fukc on my telly has been great...but the way the ex's team have played the media all along makes me sick and has gone a long way towards undermining my sympathy for her plight.

Anyone who thinks that the timing of the story coming out just as Vietch was about to get married and looking set to land the olympics gig is coincidence must be dreaming.

[Number One]

Although some of them were for the likes of biffing a cushion at her, if I recall correctly.

So our justice system is that much of a joke that charges of 'pillow throwing' are actually loaded and classed as assault? FFS REALLY?


Fuck call CYFS I 'assault' my five year old almost every day with cushions :rolleyes:

[jrandom]

So our justice system is that much of a joke that charges of 'pillow throwing' are actually loaded and classed as assault? FFS REALLY?

Yes. Might not have actually been a cushion, etc, but it was in that ballpark. Definitely a frivolous charge that was just being dragnetted into the mix because there was a real charge for it to shuffle in alongside.

[ynot slow]

So our justice system is that much of a joke that charges of 'pillow throwing' are actually loaded and classed as assault? FFS REALLY?
:

Quite possibly started out with throwing cushions in hate/frenzy then he used the boot,big difference between you and kids play fight and this fuckwit.


Sure his ex was majorly injured,but she also has done her part in dragging the media into this as well,she can see a way to milk it for $$$ she will,human nature,her self esteem is rock bottom to admit she was beaten,not many woman take pride in that.

[jrandom]

Quite possibly started out with throwing cushions in hate/frenzy then he used the boot

The cushion-throwing (or whatever it was) incident was months or years before the broken-vertebra occasion.

[Hans]

Just fucking do it already. But PLEEEAAASEEEE do it properly this time. Lame cunt.

[jrandom]

Just fucking do it already. But PLEEEAAASEEEE do it properly this time. Lame cunt.

Mmyes. Well, it seems obvious that he doesn't want to die. He just wants some public sympathy to offset the public opprobrium.

What I found astonishing was the level of Police resources that were thrown at the situation the other day. Helicopter diverted to search for his car, etc.

Although presumably the same would be done for any missing-person-presumed-suicidal-in-a-car scenario. One would hope so, anyway.

[spookytooth]

Mmyes. Well, it seems obvious that he doesn't want to die. He just wants some public sympathy to offset the public opprobrium.

What I found astonishing was the level of Police resources that were thrown at the situation the other day. Helicopter diverted to search for his car, etc.

Although presumably the same would be done for any missing-person-presumed-suicidal-in-a-car scenario. One would hope so, anyway.
Haha tui anyone .Iraena Asher plod couldn't even get a taxi there

[Maha]

Just fucking do it already. But PLEEEAAASEEEE do it properly this time. Lame cunt.

Agreed, he doesn't really want to die....A gun would see to that real quick if he really wanted to end it.

Taking pills is a slow way, takes time....and then to sit there txting media and friends :rolleyes:

[mynameis]

If the guy does commit suicide, I wonder how many of you brainless pricks will come out and say good he's dead.

[Maha]

If the guy does commit suicide, I wonder how many of you brainless pricks will come out and say good he's dead.

Personally? that would be a shame, he could write a hit song about his troubles...''I kick a Girl and I liked it''...:headbang:

[Skyryder]

If the guy does commit suicide, I wonder how many of you brainless pricks will come out and say good he's dead.


Well if he did I'd say it had more to do with getting caught using doctored references than kicking Dunne-Powell. And I suspect that this has more to do with that than any remorse he feels about not being believed. This latest alledged attempt smells more like getting sympathy so that Devoy and others do not sue him.


Skyryder

[Papa Bear]

If the guy does commit suicide, I wonder how many of you brainless pricks will come out and say good he's dead.

Give me the biggest megaphone ya can find and ill stand on any corner and tell New Zealand that its been a great day !!

'Attempted suicide'.... what a crock of shit... how many now ?????? 8? 9? If he hasn't worked out yet what he is doing wrong then there aint much hope that he is going to do this country any good is there.... I mean FFS !!!!!!! :2guns:

[Mom]

I see the TV have pulled their SUNDAY programme on him due to his fragile state of mind. Interesting comment in the paper today, hope he takes heed.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10567314

[mynameis]

Give me the biggest megaphone ya can find and ill stand on any corner and tell New Zealand that its been a great day !!

'Attempted suicide'.... what a crock of shit... how many now ?????? 8? 9? If he hasn't worked out yet what he is doing wrong then there aint much hope that he is going to do this country any good is there.... I mean FFS !!!!!!! :2guns:

One confirmed ignorant dickhead in this thread, waiting for others to display their intellect.

[Papa Bear]

One confirmed ignorant dickhead in this thread, waiting for others to display their intellect.

Awww come here :hug: :lol:

[mynameis]

I see the TV have pulled their SUNDAY programme on him due to his fragile state of mind. Interesting comment in the paper today, hope he takes heed.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10567314

Carefully crafted media load of shit, guess who he was commenting about outside court and on TV?

NZ Herald.

Dumb for them to publish something like that, basically telling him what he needs to do.

[Number One]

The cushion-throwing (or whatever it was) incident was months or years before the broken-vertebra occasion.
Those six other charges that were dropped were all during different time periods so it wasn't AN incident. He must've been throwing pillows around regularly.

YNot slow - of course pillow fights with my 5 year old are different than the broken back incident but again I really find it hard to believe that 'Man assaults woman charges' were able to be filed and held against him for 'throwing a pillow at her'.

[Number One]

Although presumably the same would be done for any missing-person-presumed-suicidal-in-a-car scenario.

WRONG! Doesn't happen - even if you have 'grave fear' about someone it can be hard to raise ANY resources to locate said apparently suicidal in car person. Long time ago a mate managed to successfully kill himself this way and everyone knew what he was up to and DID contact police NOTHING was done. He was found hours afterwards.

[James Deuce]

If the guy does commit suicide, I wonder how many of you brainless pricks will come out and say good he's dead.

I think it's sad that the whole show has been allowed to balloon into the massive circus it has, and the "suicide" attempts lead me to believe that the Judge would have been better to commit Mr Veitch to a forensic psych ward for observation for an indeterminate time.

People will always say odious things about other people. There's no need to take it so personally. Well, that's what people tell me.

[Skyryder]

One confirmed ignorant dickhead in this thread, waiting for others to display their intellect.

Nothing wrong with my intellect. Papa bear has got it in one. The suicide attempts are nothing but a sham to elicit public sympathy for himself. As the judge rightly said he's bought this sorry saga onto himself and is continuining to do so. He's lost the public pr thing and needs to be honest with himself. He fucked up............period.


Skyryder

[Skyryder]

WRONG! Doesn't happen - even if you have 'grave fear' about someone it can be hard to raise ANY resources to locate said apparently suicidal in car person. Long time ago a mate managed to successfully kill himself this way and everyone knew what he was up to and DID contact police NOTHING was done. He was found hours afterwards.

I think the police covered their arse in this. Can you imagine the furore the 'Veitch Team would have mounted against the police if they had not taken the family concerns seriously and found Veitch had topped himself. His inlaws have serious money so could have mounted a both legal campaign and media campaighn.

But you are right. Unless the police have specific information on possible whereabouts...........not much is going to happen other than an 'all points' given of a description.


Skyryder

[mynameis]

I think it's sad that the whole show has been allowed to balloon into the massive circus it has, and the "suicide" attempts lead me to believe that the Judge would have been better to commit Mr Veitch to a forensic psych ward for observation for an indeterminate time.

People will always say odious things about other people. There's no need to take it so personally. Well, that's what people tell me.

Nothing personal, just testing the shallow waters :)




The suicide attempts are nothing but a sham to elicit public sympathy for himself.

Skyryder

And you know that exactly how?

[trustme]

I see the TV have pulled their SUNDAY programme on him due to his fragile state of mind. Interesting comment in the paper today, hope he takes heed.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10567314

I think the Heralds editorial was a totally self serving crock of shit.
They have published totally false information that is defamatory & when he threatens legal action they think the best thing he can do is shut up & take it all on the chin, so much for journalistic integrity, it always was a myth
There are no winners in this whole sorry saga & no one comes out with any credit, least of all the media & some of the churlish spiteful sneering posters on this thread .
He stuffed up, the matter has run its judicial course but the more than ordinary people out there will not be happy until there is a cold body on a slab.
This guy actually needs help.

[Skyryder]

Nothing personal, just testing the shallow waters :)



And you know that exactly how?



What is it five or six attempts? His so called sucicides have found him alive even after he has been missing for hours. And he takes his cell phone with him and starts useing it.................want more? If the family belived that he was serious they would have him under proper care...........but the way he came out swinging the other day towards the media sure as hell did not look like this guy was serious. That for me was the kicker. He could not get infront of the cameras fast enough. He was positvely brimming with revenge.

Hardly the actions of a someone who wants to top themselves. This latest attempt is nothing more than a sham to deflect criticism from him because of the doctored references.


Skyryder

[Skyryder]

He stuffed up, the matter has run its judicial course but the more than ordinary people out there will not be happy until there is a cold body on a slab.
This guy actually needs help.

Nope he threatened legal action. Veitch had the oppertunity of which you speak but he has decided otherwise. The judge got it right. He bought all this on himself and is continueing to do so.


Skyryder

[trustme]

I repeat, the guy needs help he is on a total emotional roller coaster & I suspect has lost all perspective. I wonder how any of us would cope if our entire life was torn apart in such a public fashion whether it was deserved or not

[trustme]

I don't deny he bought this on himself, but it is a pity that the facts have come a distant second to a good story.

[rosie631]

One confirmed ignorant dickhead in this thread, waiting for others to display their intellect.

Count me in then. The guy's an arsehole. Happy to court the media when it suits him, then crys foul when it doesn't.

[Papa Bear]

Count me in then. The guy's an arsehole. Happy to court the media when it suits him, then crys foul when it doesn't.

:clap: Thanks for joinning the club rosie.. pull up a chair and enjoy the show :apint:

[Patrick]

My point exactly.....at least in Auckland you could have grabbed her by the beard.

Because she had too many face lifts???????

[Papa Bear]

What is it five or six attempts? His so called sucicides have found him alive even after he has been missing for hours. And he takes his cell phone with him and starts useing it.................want more? If the family belived that he was serious they would have him under proper care...........but the way he came out swinging the other day towards the media sure as hell did not look like this guy was serious. That for me was the kicker. He could not get infront of the cameras fast enough. He was positvely brimming with revenge.

Hardly the actions of a someone who wants to top themselves. This latest attempt is nothing more than a sham to deflect criticism from him because of the doctored references.


Skyryder


BRAVO BRAVO :clap: you said what I was trying to say before but you did a FAR better job than me.

Well done Skyryder :2thumbsup

[Scouse]

This thread is really tiresome, the guy made a mistake, the courts have sentenced him, Job done, time to move on and forget it. it seem there is some bitterness held by some of you out there because Tony Veitch has in the past been way more successful than most of you lot. Grow the fuck and leave the man alone to get on with rebuilding his life.

[Maha]

That for me was the kicker.

Skyryder

No pun intended??.....:clap:

[Swoop]

I repeat, the guy needs help he is on a total emotional roller coaster..
So. Who put this roller coaster into action?
Kicking the crap out of a woman might do that?

TOP TIP: Veitch. Do not use a car that has a catalytic converter fitted to the exhaust.

[trustme]

Veitch is reviled for kicking a woman when she is down,
I guess you guys can kick him when he's down because you occupy the moral high ground . Yeah right !!

[Swoop]

Veitch is reviled for kicking a woman when she is down,
I guess you guys can kick him when he's down because you occupy the moral high ground . Yeah right !!
I bet he has been offered all the councelling imaginable.

NZ C-grade celebrities attempting to milk the media, do not entertain.

As someone who has never kicked a woman, "The HighGround" it is.

[Patrick]

I see the TV have pulled their SUNDAY programme on him due to his fragile state of mind. Interesting comment in the paper today, hope he takes heed.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10567314

Although the enemy, they actually summed it up well....


Carefully crafted media load of shit, guess who he was commenting about outside court and on TV?

NZ Herald.

Dumb for them to publish something like that, basically telling him what he needs to do.

But I agree with the Harold on this one. VEITCH himself says it is "so intolerable to have to wait for 2 more years to have his day in court" or words to this effect, and of how devestating and destroying the whole saga has been.... yet he is completely willing to do it all again by sueing the media over the coverage, which will drag on for.... ummm.. a couple of years or so?????? He needs to let it go and get himself all sorted.


WRONG! Doesn't happen - even if you have 'grave fear' about someone it can be hard to raise ANY resources to locate said apparently suicidal in car person. Long time ago a mate managed to successfully kill himself this way and everyone knew what he was up to and DID contact police NOTHING was done. He was found hours afterwards.

NOTHING...???

You sure about that???????

EVERY suicide call we take, we go to the usual suicide haunts and known places he or she would go to. What else can one do? Needle in a hay stack.....

But I get where you are coming from... the resources put in to BVEITCH that could have been put in to searching for your friend would probably result in a different outcome for your friend. But somehow, VEITCH is more important???


I think the police covered their arse in this. Can you imagine the furore the 'Veitch Team would have mounted against the police if they had not taken the family concerns seriously and found Veitch had topped himself. His inlaws have serious money so could have mounted a both legal campaign and media campaighn.

But you are right. Unless the police have specific information on possible whereabouts...........not much is going to happen other than an 'all points' given of a description.

Skyryder

And how would these "camapigns" succeed? Police looked around while patrolling, advised over the radio what was up..... Legally did their duty. The media making a story out of it? Possibly, but we are sooooooooooo used to that by now...... and do the public really care?


Nope he threatened legal action. Veitch had the oppertunity of which you speak but he has decided otherwise. The judge got it right. He bought all this on himself and is continueing to do so.


Skyryder

Spot on. Its all been so horrible for him... but he wants to continue on with it all???? Go figure......

[Kiwi Graham]

He sounds like he is a PD (personality disorder) to me.
Profile is some one with a huge sense of entitlement and when hearing the word no throws all their toys out the cot, specialises in making mountains out of mole hills and perpetuating the hurt. Suicide attempts are not uncommon, its all about making a point for them but sometimes the attempt is accidentally successful!!

Me thinks this aint over yet!

[Winston001]

I don´t understand how you can give someone a reference and say it´s fine for one thing and not for another....

someone is reliable or they aren´t I would have thought. AFAIC Devoy looks bad in this instance, a reference is a black or white thing....

Have to disagree.

I give references quite often and always know why. The reference is tailored to the purpose.

For example, if someone I knew was emotionally vulnerable (depression etc) I'd happily give a passport reference but not if they wanted to be an ambulance officer. Unable to perform under pressure.

If I had reason to suspect their honesty, but gave them the benefit of the doubt, I'd give a reference for a job that didn't involve handling money. Even then I might not do it, suggesting the new employer phone instead.

What most of you are thinking of is a general character reference - that tends to be very general and doesn't say much at all because it can be used so widely.

I think it is despicable that Veitch obtained references under false pretences. Not just from Devoy but others too. I doubt that much can be done about it although the civil action of deceit still exists.

Its just another indicator of the man's shallow character.

[Skyryder]

This thread is really tiresome, the guy made a mistake, the courts have sentenced him, Job done, time to move on and forget it. it seem there is some bitterness held by some of you out there because Tony Veitch has in the past been way more successful than most of you lot. Grow the fuck and leave the man alone to get on with rebuilding his life.

Wrong. Perhaps some of us just think it is plain old wrong to kick someone on the ground and at the risk of being sexist doubly so for a female.


Skyryder

[98tls]

This thread is really tiresome, the guy made a mistake, the courts have sentenced him, Job done, time to move on and forget it. it seem there is some bitterness held by some of you out there because Tony Veitch has in the past been way more successful than most of you lot. Grow the fuck and leave the man alone to get on with rebuilding his life. Hope he has more luck rebuilding than he does trying to end it.If you find it tiresome dont read it,not that hard really eh.As for bitter nope no bitterness here fuck im enjoying the little cunts pathetic antics,long may it continue i say.

[kiwifruit]

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[Number One]

NOTHING...???

You sure about that???????

EVERY suicide call we take, we go to the usual suicide haunts and known places he or she would go to. What else can one do? Needle in a hay stack.....

But I get where you are coming from... the resources put in to BVEITCH that could have been put in to searching for your friend would probably result in a different outcome for your friend. But somehow, VEITCH is more important???

Needle in haystack for sure - get that. This friend actually drove way up north to do it in his car. Apparently concerned family and friends were told by police on more than one phone call that he wasn't classed as a missing person until he had been missing for 48 hours and so while they empathised with their concerns they couldn't do anything.

Perhaps things have changed somewhat? Either way it's a bit shitty to see that Veitch has been able to suck up all these resources time and time again and yet is still allowed to be kept at home in the care of his family....seems fairly obvious that he needs more 'care' than they are currently able to offer him at home.

From all the reports I wouldn't be surprised to find out that he gets diagnosed with Bi polar disorder. UP UP and then DOWN DOWN...hmmmmm

[Winston001]

Lets look at this rationally:

Veitch has a high profile cos he's on the tele. He's ok at his job.

He earned a salary entirely out of step with his real value - but so do many other minor tv faces. Can't hold that against him.

He appears to have a history of anger/assault problems but not been prosecuted. There are probably people here whom that is true of too.

He seriously assaulted his ex-partner. They both made up a story about the injuries to protect their reputations over a private matter.

He paid her a huge sum of money as compensation - because he could. $10,000 from you or me would be just as huge a sum. I think its fair for the public to see this as hush money - it was.

Somehow the facts became public. His ex has got nothing out of that except pressure and grief. No benefit to her at all.

Dunsten-Powell has said little in public - in fact she's kept her dignity and the confidentiality of the agreement.

By contrast Veitch has had a lot to say, much of it through very expensive advisors. Team Veitch have tried to turn the ex into a witch (maybe she is......) but it hasn't worked.

I don't think this has anything to do with envy of Veitch being a tv (cough) star, or getting paid so much. I think its about a man who kicked and assaulted a women so badly she had to go to hospital.

When he was uncovered, instead of standing up like a mature man, he hinted - and continues to do so - about dark secrets, untold sides of the story, investigations, discovery yadda yadda. Well, he had his opportunity to have a full hearing - and didn't take it. Guilty.

Contrast that with Norm Hewitt who was virtually an alcoholic - put his hands up, and is publicly respected. Or Lana Cocroft who quietly pulled her head in. Or Peter Sharples who admitted domestic violence himself. No excuses.

Veitch gloried in the tv limelight - he could have kept that if he'd shown humility and maturity.

[Patrick]

Wrong. Perhaps some of us just think it is plain old wrong to kick someone on the ground and at the risk of being sexist doubly so for a female.


Skyryder

Nothing sexist about it at all. Outright plain dirty cowardly, no matter what sex the victim is......


Needle in haystack for sure - get that. This friend actually drove way up north to do it in his car. Apparently concerned family and friends were told by police on more than one phone call that he wasn't classed as a missing person until he had been missing for 48 hours and so while they empathised with their concerns they couldn't do anything.

Perhaps things have changed somewhat? Either way it's a bit shitty to see that Veitch has been able to suck up all these resources time and time again and yet is still allowed to be kept at home in the care of his family....seems fairly obvious that he needs more 'care' than they are currently able to offer him at home.

From all the reports I wouldn't be surprised to find out that he gets diagnosed with Bi polar disorder. UP UP and then DOWN DOWN...hmmmmm

I too wonder about the post above - the "P" pipe one....

How he couldn't understand how he lost total control etc etc.... With mates into that sort of thing, a no brainer probably..... but who knows.....

48 hours is the norm, so long as there are no fears for their immediate safety or well being... Your suicidal mate fell into this category straight away and action should have been taken. It has been this way for as long as I can remember (24 years or so now...).